Stewart knocks it out of the park with his response to the weakness question .
Yes, as someone who does a lot of interviewing, I hate it when people give a strength as a weakness, as all the others apart from Stewart. Instantly marked down.
What is the right answer, in your opinion? An actual weakness?
Absolutely. People who do not recognise their real weaknesses cannot improve. If someone comes out with a real weakness, for example that they have no formal training in teaching medical students, then there is a straightforward PDP to write. As interviewers we would have spotted the issue already. What we are looking for is insight.
Stewart knocks it out of the park with his response to the weakness question .
Yes, as someone who does a lot of interviewing, I hate it when people give a strength as a weakness, as did all the others apart from Stewart. Instantly marked down.
Jeremy Hunt didn't even try to disguise it. Just repeated the question and went through his qualities!
So punters think that if Rory were to make Final 2 he would have much greater chance of winning vs Boris. Whereas Hunt has almost no chance. And I think that's right.
So if Boris wants to lend a few spare votes he should lend them to Hunt. But a dangerous game to play.
I think Boris will be thinking how to block Stewart and will want to wait until the outcome of Tuesday's vote first to decide how to play it.
I'd say it's touch and go if Stewart makes the 33 MP threshold but there might not be much in it between him Gove and Hunt.
If I were Boris I'd send 10 of my new votes to Gove and Hunt each.
If I were Boris I’d make sure Stewart made the members’ runoff.
Rory winner, but largely because he’s not really a Tory.
That's the interesting thing: he is a Tory. But despite his privileged background and the Eton education, he doesn't appear the stereotypical Tory.
That's a strength with most people. Cameron suffered from this, and never quite got over the 'toff' moniker. Borus revels in it. It'll just wash off Stewart as he's so unlike the stereotype.
Am I the last person alive to find out that Rory Stewart’s real name is Rod Stewart?
Yes.
So in the Cyclefree household - me, hubby and gay son - and bear in mind the drinks cabinet has been opened - the view was:-
- Rory stormed it - Raab dull and a bit of a bully but quite handsome and a filthy weekend in Dover with him would be a guilty secret (not my view obviously. The only reason I’d take him to Dover would be to push him off the cliffs.) - Hunt had done something strange with his hair which made him look as if he was wearing a toupee - Gove is using a blue rinse on his hair
Raab came off worse I felt. Rory has done himself some good but whether it will get him to the next round who knows.
Rory Saj - - - - - - - Hunt Gove Raab - - - Johnson
Similar, except with the empty lectern between Hunt and Gove and the concept of disappointment just below Raab.
Boris will get away with it.
Noone watches Channel 4 on a Sunday. But had he attended he'd have been rounded on by all other candidates and had some poor Monday headlines just before the next round of voting, risking giving one of his rivals a boost.
The BBC debate on Tuesday night is far more important, and he'll be fighting it from a stronger position.
The risk for Boris is that -- as Gordon Brown found out -- if you spend your life ducking debates and interviews, you never develop the skills and techniques necessary for it.
Tory MPs want to save their seats and also want a job.
I thought his best answer was his weakness. It was so human, so modest and made those who tried to pretend that their biggest weakness was actually a strength just look ridiculous.
Stewart knocks it out of the park with his response to the weakness question .
Yes, as someone who does a lot of interviewing, I hate it when people give a strength as a weakness, as all the others apart from Stewart. Instantly marked down.
What is the right answer, in your opinion? An actual weakness?
Yes, an actual weakness but one that is largely irrelevant to the job you are applying for.
My wife will answer that question with “chocolate cake”. It usually draws a laugh from the interviewer.
So punters think that if Rory were to make Final 2 he would have much greater chance of winning vs Boris. Whereas Hunt has almost no chance. And I think that's right.
So if Boris wants to lend a few spare votes he should lend them to Hunt. But a dangerous game to play.
I think Boris will be thinking how to block Stewart and will want to wait until the outcome of Tuesday's vote first to decide how to play it.
I'd say it's touch and go if Stewart makes the 33 MP threshold but there might not be much in it between him Gove and Hunt.
If I were Boris I'd send 10 of my new votes to Gove and Hunt each.
If I were Boris I’d make sure Stewart made the members’ runoff.
Stewart knocks it out of the park with his response to the weakness question .
Yes, as someone who does a lot of interviewing, I hate it when people give a strength as a weakness, as all the others apart from Stewart. Instantly marked down.
What is the right answer, in your opinion? An actual weakness?
Yes: eg I don’t suffer fools gladly.
How about "can't go 5 minutes without posting on politicalbetting.com" ??
Rory was the only one brave enough to have a dig at Boris. The others know where they are and are looking for jobs.
Generally though, the debate was mutually supportive. The people there could work together well and put some dynamism back into this sad government. Boris's challenge is to show that he is capable not just of winning but leading. Tonight was not a good start in that. Rory's position is also a big problem in that regard but possibly not the only one.
Stewart knocks it out of the park with his response to the weakness question .
Yes, as someone who does a lot of interviewing, I hate it when people give a strength as a weakness, as all the others apart from Stewart. Instantly marked down.
What is the right answer, in your opinion? An actual weakness?
Yes: eg I don’t suffer fools gladly.
How about "can't go 5 minutes without posting on politicalbetting.com" ??
I feel seen by that comment.
Posting below and above the line? Some might say you were obsessed.
BBC should raise its revenues in the marketplace same as every other broadcaster.
Either make it subscription based or play adverts. There is plenty of choice available quite literally.
You'd clearly like to see a world-renowned great British instution trashed on the altar of neo-liberalism. The Conservative party the same - what is it they are about 'conserving' these days?
The EBC is just a state propaganda outfit, repeats and state propaganda , time it was dumped or made to pay its own way..
Really enjoyed that ch 4 debate. All 5 came over quite well in their different ways. In terms of most credible for PM - Gove and Hunt. Most inspiring and interesting politician - Rory Stewart. Sajid Javid - good guy but not PM material. Dominic Raab - not a dickhead but not even close to PM material.
Good move by Johnson to shirk it. He would have been exposed as insincere and vacuous. Tuesday will be interesting if he turns up.
So punters think that if Rory were to make Final 2 he would have much greater chance of winning vs Boris. Whereas Hunt has almost no chance. And I think that's right.
So if Boris wants to lend a few spare votes he should lend them to Hunt. But a dangerous game to play.
I think Boris will be thinking how to block Stewart and will want to wait until the outcome of Tuesday's vote first to decide how to play it.
I'd say it's touch and go if Stewart makes the 33 MP threshold but there might not be much in it between him Gove and Hunt.
If I were Boris I'd send 10 of my new votes to Gove and Hunt each.
If I were Boris I’d make sure Stewart made the members’ runoff.
I wouldn't.
Nor I. We both know our party very well (and I do agree with you that Stewart does have to be careful in some key respects) and my sense is that he could, not necessarily will, cause an upset against Johnson.
Stewart grows by the day despite his Elton background doesn’t come over as a toff, too good for the Tory’s
Stewart is the only one who could win votes from non Tories. Just as well he is going to lose.
That only works though if he wins more votes from non Tories than the 2017 Tories he still loses to the Brexit Party
That depends whether you think the Brexit Party will be the main opponents. If you think the Labour Party will be the main opponents, then a vote taken from Labour is worth two votes taken from the Brexit Party!
That time of the day to look a little further afield at some other polling
Polls from Germany, Ireland, Spain, Holland and Italy in the past day or so but nothing from Greece where polling day is just three weeks away.
In the Netherlands, Rutte's party maintains a small lead over the new kids on the block, the Forum for Democracy and the revived Social Democrats who jostle for second. The four coalition parties are polling 40%, down from 48.5% in the 2017 GE.
In Spain, the Simple Logica poll contradicts one or two other recent surveys. PSOE remain well ahead with Citizens still ahead of PP (other polls have shown PP back above 20% in second but this poll has them back at 16% in third). Interestingly, Casado is tacking back to the centre having run from the right so disastrously in the GE but he's now bitterly attacking Citizens and VOX who would be his logical partners in any future centre-right Government.
In Italy, Salvini's LEGA remains well ahead on a solid 35% but it's going to be a frustrating four years unless he can force a GE sooner and the longer he has to wait the more vulnerable he becomes to events.
In Germany, one poll has put the CDU/CSU back in front of the Greens 27-25 but the Greens choice of Chancellor, Robert Habeck, enjoys a commanding advantage over any of the CDU candidates and the idea of a Green-led coalition taking over in Berlin is far from fanciful.
Finally to Ireland and a B&A poll shows a big jump in support for the Greens to 11% with that coming from Fine Gael (down five) and Sinn Fein (down seven). This leaves Fianna Fail in a healthy lead and perhaps light at the end of a long political journey for Michael Martin who led the party to its heaviest ever defeat a few years back but on these numbers he'll be looking for partners in a new coalition so perhaps a return of an FF-Green government with perhaps a couple of junior partners.
Am I the last person alive to find out that Rory Stewart’s real name is Rod Stewart?
Yes.
So in the Cyclefree household - me, hubby and gay son - and bear in mind the drinks cabinet has been opened - the view was:-
- Rory stormed it - Raab dull and a bit of a bully but quite handsome and a filthy weekend in Dover with him would be a guilty secret (not my view obviously. The only reason I’d take him to Dover would be to push him off the cliffs.) - Hunt had done something strange with his hair which made him look as if he was wearing a toupee - Gove is using a blue rinse on his hair
Raab came off worse I felt. Rory has done himself some good but whether it will get him to the next round who knows.
Who are you kidding? If Raab went for a dirty weekend in Dover he'd probably end up in Skegness.
Rory winner, but largely because he’s not really a Tory.
Yes he is. He is an old-fashioned Tory of a type that would have been common-place when I was growing up. The fact that some think he is not Conservative is a measure of how far the Tories have changed - for the worse in my view.
So punters think that if Rory were to make Final 2 he would have much greater chance of winning vs Boris. Whereas Hunt has almost no chance. And I think that's right.
So if Boris wants to lend a few spare votes he should lend them to Hunt. But a dangerous game to play.
I think Boris will be thinking how to block Stewart and will want to wait until the outcome of Tuesday's vote first to decide how to play it.
I'd say it's touch and go if Stewart makes the 33 MP threshold but there might not be much in it between him Gove and Hunt.
If I were Boris I'd send 10 of my new votes to Gove and Hunt each.
If I were Boris I’d make sure Stewart made the members’ runoff.
I wouldn't.
Not if he has any sense.
If it weren't for Brexit, Rory is all of Boris's charm, quirkiness and intelligence. But he's also someone you could trust in a taxi. Just by being there, he puts Boris's faults into too-sharp relief.
Gove has a taste for Boris's blood, but doesn't look able to defeat him directly - what chance he instead does the deed by withdrawing and backing Stewart?
Is the UK the only country in the world to retain a TV poll tax ?
I can't see the fairness argument at all for retaining it
I can't boycott the BBC on Friday as I don't watch it anyway. Still have to pay for it but weeks or months can go by without me watching anything on BBC. Why should I pay by tax for it?
I can't remember the last time I watched or listened to the beeb.
I would be very happy to only pay for those tv services I actually use.
Lucky Guido doesn't charge or you'd need a second mortgage
Stewart grows by the day despite his Elton background doesn’t come over as a toff, too good for the Tory’s
Stewart is the only one who could win votes from non Tories. Just as well he is going to lose.
That only works though if he wins more votes from non Tories than the 2017 Tories he still loses to the Brexit Party
That depends whether you think the Brexit Party will be the main opponents. If you think the Labour Party will be the main opponents, then a vote taken from Labour is worth two votes taken from the Brexit Party!
I think the Tories will pick up virtually no voters from Corbyn Labour regardless of who is leader, those will go LD or Green at most with a handful to Farage.
However the Tories will lose lots of voters to the Brexit Party unless they commit to deliver Brexit
I hav elistened to Stewart today and he is a complete tosser, dull as ditchwater and nothing to bring to the party other than being a TOFF. What is wrong with people on here.
I hav elistened to Stewart today and he is a complete tosser, dull as ditchwater and nothing to bring to the party other than being a TOFF. What is wrong with people on here.
I fear you are merely muffling and veiling your language, Malc.
I hav elistened to Stewart today and he is a complete tosser, dull as ditchwater and nothing to bring to the party other than being a TOFF. What is wrong with people on here.
I fear you are merely muffling an veiling your language, Malc.
Stewart grows by the day despite his Elton background doesn’t come over as a toff, too good for the Tory’s
Stewart is the only one who could win votes from non Tories. Just as well he is going to lose.
That only works though if he wins more votes from non Tories than the 2017 Tories he still loses to the Brexit Party
He would
OK quick question.
How many PBers who voted Labour or LD or Green or SNP in 2017 would definitely vote Tory at the next general election if Rory Stewart was Tory leader?
I'm a Lab-LD switcher at the moment, but in the unlikely event of Rory being PM I'd probably vote Tory (reservation would be about the rest of the team - would need them to be fully bought-in to the consensual and pragmatic approach he exudes).
I hav elistened to Stewart today and he is a complete tosser, dull as ditchwater and nothing to bring to the party other than being a TOFF. What is wrong with people on here.
And yet because of your length of service you lose all employment protections and can be dismissed at any time for any reason. Oh and also no redundancy pay.
Fantastic.
Indeed. It is called taking control of your own destiny.
You can cower and do nothing and stay in a job you hate for eternity. Or you can take a leap of faith and hope to find something else. Most people I know who have done that are glad that they did.
No possibility of selection or survivorship bias there, thank God.
Shit analogies really are the last shot left in your locker, aren't they?
And yet because of your length of service you lose all employment protections and can be dismissed at any time for any reason. Oh and also no redundancy pay.
Fantastic.
Indeed. It is called taking control of your own destiny.
You can cower and do nothing and stay in a job you hate for eternity. Or you can take a leap of faith and hope to find something else. Most people I know who have done that are glad that they did.
Quitting a sh!t job that paid well, to go work for myself, was the best decision I ever made.
I'm happy for you.
Not an unusual story whatever Gallowgate and Ishmael might insist.
I hav elistened to Stewart today and he is a complete tosser, dull as ditchwater and nothing to bring to the party other than being a TOFF. What is wrong with people on here.
There’s nothing wrong with us .
As a non Tory I was simply judging which candidate I thought wouldn’t trash the UKs reputation and would move heaven and earth to leave with a deal and keep the UK together .
I hav elistened to Stewart today and he is a complete tosser, dull as ditchwater and nothing to bring to the party other than being a TOFF. What is wrong with people on here.
Once again showing what crap judgement you have
I don’t think so , the guy looks as electable as a cheese sandwich
I've not really got into this idolising of Rory Stewart though he has certainly campaigned in a novel and interesting way.
I've seen some Conservatives accuse him of being a closet Lib Dem - fair enough, they said the same about Cameron back in 2005-6. I know Stewart stood with May almost to the very end and in defence of the WA but I've yet to understand how he would move things forward. Does he support a second vote? Would he ask for a long extension (ooer) from the EU in the autumn, would he revoke or would he leave without a WA?
Citizens' Assemblies are also being tried out here in Newham - they are a substitute for democracy with a tightly-controlled discussion and consultation process to provide the veneer of accountability and transparency but when I suggested to a Labour councillor in the interest of democracy they should stand only two candidates instead of three in each Ward to allow some diverse opinions in the Council chamber, said councillor wasn't too impressed.
So how much of Stewart is all smoke and mirrors? I genuinely don't know what he stands for or where he stands but I do know he is confusing in a different way. Perhaps the most revealing aspect was that in the ComRes poll on Tuesday, a Stewart-led Conservative Party would win barely 50 seats and be just behind the LDs and SNP with TBP and Labour dominating.
Rory winner, but largely because he’s not really a Tory.
Yes he is. He is an old-fashioned Tory of a type that would have been common-place when I was growing up. The fact that some think he is not Conservative is a measure of how far the Tories have changed - for the worse in my view.
Absolutely. Not only is he a Tory, but he's almost an archetype of the kind of postwar consensus anglo-celtic establishment Tory that I thought was extinct.
I hav elistened to Stewart today and he is a complete tosser, dull as ditchwater and nothing to bring to the party other than being a TOFF. What is wrong with people on here.
Once again showing what crap judgement you have
We shall see, he is going nowhere, will be out on his arse soon.
Am I the last person alive to find out that Rory Stewart’s real name is Rod Stewart?
Yes.
So in the Cyclefree household - me, hubby and gay son - and bear in mind the drinks cabinet has been opened - the view was:-
- Rory stormed it - Raab dull and a bit of a bully but quite handsome and a filthy weekend in Dover with him would be a guilty secret (not my view obviously. The only reason I’d take him to Dover would be to push him off the cliffs.) - Hunt had done something strange with his hair which made him look as if he was wearing a toupee - Gove is using a blue rinse on his hair
Raab came off worse I felt. Rory has done himself some good but whether it will get him to the next round who knows.
Who are you kidding? If Raab went for a dirty weekend in Dover he'd probably end up in Skegness.
I don’t think location was the most important factor!
A small query -- if, as reported Theresa really voted for Rory, why on earth did she not promote him much, much earlier?
Did Theresa see Rory as a threat, as a competitor, to her?
Now that she has nothing to fear from him, she votes for him.
Could be many reasons. She might have seen him as a loyalist: and it was more important to keep those against her in the tent. Or a belief that he might be ill-prepared. Or to protect him from the madness. Or she was annoyed he did longer walks than her.
I actually wonder how well they get on in person - they both love walking. Which all sane people do.
Is the UK the only country in the world to retain a TV poll tax ?
I can't see the fairness argument at all for retaining it
I can't boycott the BBC on Friday as I don't watch it anyway. Still have to pay for it but weeks or months can go by without me watching anything on BBC. Why should I pay by tax for it?
I can't remember the last time I watched or listened to the beeb.
I would be very happy to only pay for those tv services I actually use.
Just been watching some episodes of Killing Eve. There is some good stuff on the BBC. But the licence fee is an anachronism that needs to be abolished.
Of course - but the government should show some guts and fund the national broadcaster out of general taxation. Though at the same time we should seriously consider what it is we want out of the BBC.
Should we pay for a Netflix subscription for everyone out of general taxation too?
Netflix IMO has a better array of shows available than the BBC does and costs less. Others may disagree but free choice works better than taxation.
Not entirely sure why Bargain Hunt, Homes Under the Hammer or Pointless need to be paid by taxation. Or plenty of other dirge that can be funded through advertising.
I hav elistened to Stewart today and he is a complete tosser, dull as ditchwater and nothing to bring to the party other than being a TOFF. What is wrong with people on here.
Once again showing what crap judgement you have
I don’t think so , the guy looks as electable as a cheese sandwich
Gove has a taste for Boris's blood, but doesn't look able to defeat him directly - what chance he instead does the deed by withdrawing and backing Stewart?
Nah, there's a better way to do it:
'The public have shown, by voting for Farage and Corbyn, as they have for Trump, Macron, Maduro and Modi elsewhere, that they vote for intellectual lightweights, serial philanderers and people who pretend to have principles to get votes. The bloke down the pub who will talk to you and make you laugh is more important than all the policies and principles in the world. It is also vital that our next leader be privately educated and have good family connections as well as no relevant experience.
Therefore, I am withdrawing from the race in favour of the one serial liar, philanderer, lightweight, unprincipled failure left. I advise all my supporters to vote for Boris Johnson.'
I hav elistened to Stewart today and he is a complete tosser, dull as ditchwater and nothing to bring to the party other than being a TOFF. What is wrong with people on here.
Once again showing what crap judgement you have
I don’t think so , the guy looks as electable as a cheese sandwich
That might be so, but electability does not speak to someone being good or not. We all know some terrible people who somehow get elected, and secure the votes of many others.
The big surprise for me was Raab. May not have liked his message but it was consistent and WYSIWYG. The people voted out, he wants out, he will take us out.
When Gove was speaking I felt physically ill what an absolute and utter tosser. Plus you could see written on his face the fear that he would get it wrong and have to confront Mrs Gove.
Stewart grows by the day despite his Elton background doesn’t come over as a toff, too good for the Tory’s
Stewart is the only one who could win votes from non Tories. Just as well he is going to lose.
That only works though if he wins more votes from non Tories than the 2017 Tories he still loses to the Brexit Party
He would
OK quick question.
How many PBers who voted Labour or LD or Green or SNP in 2017 would definitely vote Tory at the next general election if Rory Stewart was Tory leader?
I'm a Lab-LD switcher at the moment, but in the unlikely event of Rory being PM I'd probably vote Tory (reservation would be about the rest of the team - would need them to be fully bought-in to the consensual and pragmatic approach he exudes).
I hav elistened to Stewart today and he is a complete tosser, dull as ditchwater and nothing to bring to the party other than being a TOFF. What is wrong with people on here.
Once again showing what crap judgement you have
I don’t think so , the guy looks as electable as a cheese sandwich
We will see soon who has crap judgement. He is a total loser, anyone who has to lick Farage's butt is going nowhere. The guy has nothing a party with ZERO MP's and this clown says he has to be making the decisions on how things are decided. You could not make it up yet all the fan boys on here have a crush on him, he comes across as useless, a talking ill fitting suit.
I hav elistened to Stewart today and he is a complete tosser, dull as ditchwater and nothing to bring to the party other than being a TOFF. What is wrong with people on here.
Once again showing what crap judgement you have
I agree with malcolm.
Let's see what Tuesday brings. For all the ramping of him here, he's more likely to be eliminated on Tuesday than he is to get through to the final 2.
I hav elistened to Stewart today and he is a complete tosser, dull as ditchwater and nothing to bring to the party other than being a TOFF. What is wrong with people on here.
I do get people not liking him, but I am curious what about him says 'tosser' to you.
I hav elistened to Stewart today and he is a complete tosser, dull as ditchwater and nothing to bring to the party other than being a TOFF. What is wrong with people on here.
Once again showing what crap judgement you have
I don’t think so , the guy looks as electable as a cheese sandwich
Bacon sandwich, surely!
Yes he does look as weird as ed Miliband come to think of it😁
I hav elistened to Stewart today and he is a complete tosser, dull as ditchwater and nothing to bring to the party other than being a TOFF. What is wrong with people on here.
There’s nothing wrong with us .
As a non Tory I was simply judging which candidate I thought wouldn’t trash the UKs reputation and would move heaven and earth to leave with a deal and keep the UK together .
He wants to sign Theresa's deal, what planet is he on. He saw no issue on Irish border but wanted to keep the GFA agreement , the guy has no clue on anything, so far he wants to havea citizen's council and have 16 years mandatory civil service. He has NOT a clue.
I hav elistened to Stewart today and he is a complete tosser, dull as ditchwater and nothing to bring to the party other than being a TOFF. What is wrong with people on here.
Once again showing what crap judgement you have
I don’t think so , the guy looks as electable as a cheese sandwich
I hav elistened to Stewart today and he is a complete tosser, dull as ditchwater and nothing to bring to the party other than being a TOFF. What is wrong with people on here.
There’s nothing wrong with us .
As a non Tory I was simply judging which candidate I thought wouldn’t trash the UKs reputation and would move heaven and earth to leave with a deal and keep the UK together .
He wants to sign Theresa's deal, what planet is he on. He saw no issue on Irish border but wanted to keep the GFA agreement , the guy has no clue on anything, so far he wants to havea citizen's council and have 16 years mandatory civil service. He has NOT a clue.
16 years civil service? Wasn't it four weeks at the age of 16?
I wonder how many Tory MPs were watching? All of them, I would have thought?
Why? MPs base their decisions on gut feel and a unicorn';s dream, just like the rest of us, and are as beholden to the gods of polling as HYUFD. At the end of the day who do they think will save their seats? Because performance on TV (which I did not watch) won't sway cynical MPs to think anyone but Boris can do that.
So punters think that if Rory were to make Final 2 he would have much greater chance of winning vs Boris. Whereas Hunt has almost no chance. And I think that's right.
So if Boris wants to lend a few spare votes he should lend them to Hunt. But a dangerous game to play.
I think Boris will be thinking how to block Stewart and will want to wait until the outcome of Tuesday's vote first to decide how to play it.
I'd say it's touch and go if Stewart makes the 33 MP threshold but there might not be much in it between him Gove and Hunt.
If I were Boris I'd send 10 of my new votes to Gove and Hunt each.
If I were Boris I’d make sure Stewart made the members’ runoff.
I wouldn't.
Nor I. We both know our party very well (and I do agree with you that Stewart does have to be careful in some key respects) and my sense is that he could, not necessarily will, cause an upset against Johnson.
We do and some of the misinterpretations of Conservative Party members on here over recent weeks have been as prejudiced as they have been inaccurate.
They'd judge the candidates more objectively than the MPs, in my view.
I hav elistened to Stewart today and he is a complete tosser, dull as ditchwater and nothing to bring to the party other than being a TOFF. What is wrong with people on here.
Once again showing what crap judgement you have
I don’t think so , the guy looks as electable as a cheese sandwich
Bacon sandwich, surely!
Yes he does look as weird as ed Miliband come to think of it😁
More wierd in looks and sound and less ideas than Ed.
I hav elistened to Stewart today and he is a complete tosser, dull as ditchwater and nothing to bring to the party other than being a TOFF. What is wrong with people on here.
There’s nothing wrong with us .
As a non Tory I was simply judging which candidate I thought wouldn’t trash the UKs reputation and would move heaven and earth to leave with a deal and keep the UK together .
He wants to sign Theresa's deal, what planet is he on. He saw no issue on Irish border but wanted to keep the GFA agreement , the guy has no clue on anything, so far he wants to havea citizen's council and have 16 years mandatory civil service. He has NOT a clue.
The citizen's council is about the most far-sighted idea any poliician from any front bench has had on the whole Brexit debacle.
I hav elistened to Stewart today and he is a complete tosser, dull as ditchwater and nothing to bring to the party other than being a TOFF. What is wrong with people on here.
Once again showing what crap judgement you have
I don’t think so , the guy looks as electable as a cheese sandwich
We will see soon who has crap judgement. He is a total loser, anyone who has to lick Farage's butt is going nowhere. The guy has nothing a party with ZERO MP's and this clown says he has to be making the decisions on how things are decided. You could not make it up yet all the fan boys on here have a crush on him, he comes across as useless, a talking ill fitting suit.
The big surprise for me was Raab. May not have liked his message but it was consistent and WYSIWYG. The people voted out, he wants out, he will take us out.
When Gove was speaking I felt physically ill what an absolute and utter tosser. Plus you could see written on his face the fear that he would get it wrong and have to confront Mrs Gove.
Is the UK the only country in the world to retain a TV poll tax ?
I can't see the fairness argument at all for retaining it
I can't boycott the BBC on Friday as I don't watch it anyway. Still have to pay for it but weeks or months can go by without me watching anything on BBC. Why should I pay by tax for it?
I can't remember the last time I watched or listened to the beeb.
I would be very happy to only pay for those tv services I actually use.
Just been watching some episodes of Killing Eve. There is some good stuff on the BBC. But the licence fee is an anachronism that needs to be abolished.
Of course - but the government should show some guts and fund the national broadcaster out of general taxation. Though at the same time we should seriously consider what it is we want out of the BBC.
Should we pay for a Netflix subscription for everyone out of general taxation too?
Netflix IMO has a better array of shows available than the BBC does and costs less. Others may disagree but free choice works better than taxation.
Not entirely sure why Bargain Hunt, Homes Under the Hammer or Pointless need to be paid by taxation. Or plenty of other dirge that can be funded through advertising.
There are many other programs on the BBC. When talking about youngsters, there's things like Go-Jetters (which started my son's obsession with China and building), and Operation Ouch! , which is a fun medical-based program. Or 'Do you know?', 'Nina and the Neurons', 'Alphablocks' / 'Numberblocks', etc, etc. There are also oodles of dramas and other things for older kids.
Nothing on t'Internet is quite like it. And that's just kids programs.
The BBC licence fee is amazingly good value (enter/info)tainment.
Rory winner, but largely because he’s not really a Tory.
Yes he is. He is an old-fashioned Tory of a type that would have been common-place when I was growing up. The fact that some think he is not Conservative is a measure of how far the Tories have changed - for the worse in my view.
Absolutely. Not only is he a Tory, but he's almost an archetype of the kind of postwar consensus anglo-celtic establishment Tory that I thought was extinct.
And, after Brexit, or the failure of Brexit, and Corbyn, and Sturgeon's endless referendum ploys, that might just be exactly what the country is looking for.
I hav elistened to Stewart today and he is a complete tosser, dull as ditchwater and nothing to bring to the party other than being a TOFF. What is wrong with people on here.
There’s nothing wrong with us .
As a non Tory I was simply judging which candidate I thought wouldn’t trash the UKs reputation and would move heaven and earth to leave with a deal and keep the UK together .
He wants to sign Theresa's deal, what planet is he on. He saw no issue on Irish border but wanted to keep the GFA agreement , the guy has no clue on anything, so far he wants to havea citizen's council and have 16 years mandatory civil service. He has NOT a clue.
The citizen's council is about the most far-sighted idea any poliician from any front bench has had on the whole Brexit debacle.
I said this earlier. I've never voted Tory, and I spoiled my ballot paper in 2017, but if he becomes leader and advocates a greater role for sortition, I'll vote for him.
Rory winner, but largely because he’s not really a Tory.
Yes he is. He is an old-fashioned Tory of a type that would have been common-place when I was growing up. The fact that some think he is not Conservative is a measure of how far the Tories have changed - for the worse in my view.
I disagree. Tories gave up on thoughtful intellectuals with a broad , realistic view of the modern world with Macmillan, Home and possibly Heath.
I suppose if Brexit party is taking on the right, then maybe this is a tradition to revive. I doubt it.
Genuinely thought that was one of those web template thingies where you take a genuine poster and insert your own text. WTF is the comma doing after "party" other than highlighting the lack of a full stop at the end? And "party who sorts it out" sounds terrible, like one cockney telling another in a bad movie that if he wants 'er indoors polished off, he knows a geezer who will sort it out.
I hav elistened to Stewart today and he is a complete tosser, dull as ditchwater and nothing to bring to the party other than being a TOFF. What is wrong with people on here.
Once again showing what crap judgement you have
I don’t think so , the guy looks as electable as a cheese sandwich
We will see soon who has crap judgement. He is a total loser, anyone who has to lick Farage's butt is going nowhere. The guy has nothing a party with ZERO MP's and this clown says he has to be making the decisions on how things are decided. You could not make it up yet all the fan boys on here have a crush on him, he comes across as useless, a talking ill fitting suit.
He appeals to people who want to turn the clock back to before the referendum, the days where everything was a comfy compromise between almost identical centrist parties. The same people who thought TIG were new, fresh and exciting in February.
As someone who would like to see PM Farage, I wholeheartedly hope Rory wins.
I hav elistened to Stewart today and he is a complete tosser, dull as ditchwater and nothing to bring to the party other than being a TOFF. What is wrong with people on here.
Rory winner, but largely because he’s not really a Tory.
Yes he is. He is an old-fashioned Tory of a type that would have been common-place when I was growing up. The fact that some think he is not Conservative is a measure of how far the Tories have changed - for the worse in my view.
I disagree. Tories gave up on thoughtful intellectuals with a broad , realistic view of the modern world with Macmillan, Home and possibly Heath.
I suppose if Brexit party is taking on the right, then maybe this a tradition to revive. I doubt it.
Stewart is the most similar Tory frontrunner in background and ideas to Macmillan since 1965.
Genuinely thought that was one of those web template thingies where you take a genuine poster and insert your own text. WTF is the comma doing after "party" other than highlighting the lack of a full stop at the end? And "party who sorts it out" sounds terrible, like one cockney telling another in a bad movie that if he wants 'er indoors polished off, he knows a geezer who will sort it out.
Yes, #metoo
Incredibly bad judgement. Sounds like he wants to kill people.
I hav elistened to Stewart today and he is a complete tosser, dull as ditchwater and nothing to bring to the party other than being a TOFF. What is wrong with people on here.
Once again showing what crap judgement you have
I agree with malcolm.
Let's see what Tuesday brings. For all the ramping of him here, he's more likely to be eliminated on Tuesday than he is to get through to the final 2.
It's just hard to see a path for him. MPs are human, having made an initial choice it is hard to get switchers I would think, and promoting the WA won't win him the backing of quite a few of those who backed defeated candidates, and he needs most of Hancock's votes just to be in with a shout.
I think he would ultimately be happy to have increased his votes from round 1.
Stewart grows by the day despite his Elton background doesn’t come over as a toff, too good for the Tory’s
Stewart is the only one who could win votes from non Tories. Just as well he is going to lose.
That only works though if he wins more votes from non Tories than the 2017 Tories he still loses to the Brexit Party
He would
OK quick question.
How many PBers who voted Labour or LD or Green or SNP in 2017 would definitely vote Tory at the next general election if Rory Stewart was Tory leader?
And how many who voted Tory in 2017 would definitely not vote Tory is Boris was leader?
I doubt many if any.
One right here. Although frankly it would be a struggle for any of them given they are all complicity in the incompetence and division of the party within the last view years.
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The Saj hung on in there.
Hunt slightly anonymous but fairly human.
Stewart walked away with it.
That's a strength with most people. Cameron suffered from this, and never quite got over the 'toff' moniker. Borus revels in it. It'll just wash off Stewart as he's so unlike the stereotype.
So in the Cyclefree household - me, hubby and gay son - and bear in mind the drinks cabinet has been opened - the view was:-
- Rory stormed it
- Raab dull and a bit of a bully but quite handsome and a filthy weekend in Dover with him would be a guilty secret (not my view obviously. The only reason I’d take him to Dover would be to push him off the cliffs.)
- Hunt had done something strange with his hair which made him look as if he was wearing a toupee
- Gove is using a blue rinse on his hair
Raab came off worse I felt. Rory has done himself some good but whether it will get him to the next round who knows.
Boris can offer the prospect of both right now.
Generally though, the debate was mutually supportive. The people there could work together well and put some dynamism back into this sad government. Boris's challenge is to show that he is capable not just of winning but leading. Tonight was not a good start in that. Rory's position is also a big problem in that regard but possibly not the only one.
Good move by Johnson to shirk it. He would have been exposed as insincere and vacuous. Tuesday will be interesting if he turns up.
Polls from Germany, Ireland, Spain, Holland and Italy in the past day or so but nothing from Greece where polling day is just three weeks away.
In the Netherlands, Rutte's party maintains a small lead over the new kids on the block, the Forum for Democracy and the revived Social Democrats who jostle for second. The four coalition parties are polling 40%, down from 48.5% in the 2017 GE.
In Spain, the Simple Logica poll contradicts one or two other recent surveys. PSOE remain well ahead with Citizens still ahead of PP (other polls have shown PP back above 20% in second but this poll has them back at 16% in third). Interestingly, Casado is tacking back to the centre having run from the right so disastrously in the GE but he's now bitterly attacking Citizens and VOX who would be his logical partners in any future centre-right Government.
In Italy, Salvini's LEGA remains well ahead on a solid 35% but it's going to be a frustrating four years unless he can force a GE sooner and the longer he has to wait the more vulnerable he becomes to events.
In Germany, one poll has put the CDU/CSU back in front of the Greens 27-25 but the Greens choice of Chancellor, Robert Habeck, enjoys a commanding advantage over any of the CDU candidates and the idea of a Green-led coalition taking over in Berlin is far from fanciful.
Finally to Ireland and a B&A poll shows a big jump in support for the Greens to 11% with that coming from Fine Gael (down five) and Sinn Fein (down seven). This leaves Fianna Fail in a healthy lead and perhaps light at the end of a long political journey for Michael Martin who led the party to its heaviest ever defeat a few years back but on these numbers he'll be looking for partners in a new coalition so perhaps a return of an FF-Green government with perhaps a couple of junior partners.
How many PBers who voted Labour or LD or Green or SNP in 2017 would definitely vote Tory at the next general election if Rory Stewart was Tory leader?
If it weren't for Brexit, Rory is all of Boris's charm, quirkiness and intelligence.
But he's also someone you could trust in a taxi.
Just by being there, he puts Boris's faults into too-sharp relief.
However the Tories will lose lots of voters to the Brexit Party unless they commit to deliver Brexit
Tell us what you really think
Not an unusual story whatever Gallowgate and Ishmael might insist.
As a non Tory I was simply judging which candidate I thought wouldn’t trash the UKs reputation and would move heaven and earth to leave with a deal and keep the UK together .
Did Theresa see Rory as a threat, as a competitor, to her?
Now that she has nothing to fear from him, she votes for him.
I've not really got into this idolising of Rory Stewart though he has certainly campaigned in a novel and interesting way.
I've seen some Conservatives accuse him of being a closet Lib Dem - fair enough, they said the same about Cameron back in 2005-6. I know Stewart stood with May almost to the very end and in defence of the WA but I've yet to understand how he would move things forward. Does he support a second vote? Would he ask for a long extension (ooer) from the EU in the autumn, would he revoke or would he leave without a WA?
Citizens' Assemblies are also being tried out here in Newham - they are a substitute for democracy with a tightly-controlled discussion and consultation process to provide the veneer of accountability and transparency but when I suggested to a Labour councillor in the interest of democracy they should stand only two candidates instead of three in each Ward to allow some diverse opinions in the Council chamber, said councillor wasn't too impressed.
So how much of Stewart is all smoke and mirrors? I genuinely don't know what he stands for or where he stands but I do know he is confusing in a different way. Perhaps the most revealing aspect was that in the ComRes poll on Tuesday, a Stewart-led Conservative Party would win barely 50 seats and be just behind the LDs and SNP with TBP and Labour dominating.
I actually wonder how well they get on in person - they both love walking. Which all sane people do.
Netflix IMO has a better array of shows available than the BBC does and costs less. Others may disagree but free choice works better than taxation.
Not entirely sure why Bargain Hunt, Homes Under the Hammer or Pointless need to be paid by taxation. Or plenty of other dirge that can be funded through advertising.
'The public have shown, by voting for Farage and Corbyn, as they have for Trump, Macron, Maduro and Modi elsewhere, that they vote for intellectual lightweights, serial philanderers and people who pretend to have principles to get votes. The bloke down the pub who will talk to you and make you laugh is more important than all the policies and principles in the world. It is also vital that our next leader be privately educated and have good family connections as well as no relevant experience.
Therefore, I am withdrawing from the race in favour of the one serial liar, philanderer, lightweight, unprincipled failure left. I advise all my supporters to vote for Boris Johnson.'
Would be an unanswerable case...for Stewart.
When Gove was speaking I felt physically ill what an absolute and utter tosser. Plus you could see written on his face the fear that he would get it wrong and have to confront Mrs Gove.
Let's see what Tuesday brings. For all the ramping of him here, he's more likely to be eliminated on Tuesday than he is to get through to the final 2.
https://twitter.com/jeremy_hunt/status/1140327538775994368
They'd judge the candidates more objectively than the MPs, in my view.
Nothing on t'Internet is quite like it. And that's just kids programs.
The BBC licence fee is amazingly good value (enter/info)tainment.
But not yet.
Stewart is the Told You So candidate.
I often vote Conservative, and I wouldn't vote for a Boris-led party.
I suppose if Brexit party is taking on the right, then maybe this is a tradition to revive. I doubt it.
As someone who would like to see PM Farage, I wholeheartedly hope Rory wins.
Incredibly bad judgement. Sounds like he wants to kill people.
I think he would ultimately be happy to have increased his votes from round 1.