On topic: If the LibDems are heavily campaigning for a recall, then I think the 10% threshold will be reached. It's disingenuous of them, to be sure - the leaflet in the header is misleading - but it's a very simple, you might almost say populist, message, and I think will cut through to those who either haven't actually followed the case but are being told they were defrauded, or who want a by-election for other reasons. That combination should make 10%, I'd have thought.
If the Brexit Party stands, which they probably will, then the LibDems will win this and the new Tory leader will be in an even greater mess.
Not if Boris wins back most Brexit Party voters to the Tories
Which he won't. That is the humdinger of a miscalculation which is distorting the leadership contest. He'll win back some, for a while, but Farage will be going strong on the 'Betrayal!' narrative irrespective of who is leader, and telling peope to vote TBP to keep the Tories honest. This is surely the most obvious of points, and will be especially catastrophic for the Conservative Party once Boris has missed his self-imposed 31st October hard deadline.
Boris cuts the Brexit Party back to 13% with Yougov and even less with Comres and gives the Tories a clear lead.
Boris has committed to take us out Deal or No Deal in October but of course if he doesn't as Yougov today shows Nigel Farage would be Kingmaker in the Commons and Boris could not become PM without the backing of Brexit Party MPs
Trump skewering Khan on violence again and Khan still has no fucking clue. Honestly if the lib Dems put up a candidate that isn't Chuka I'll vote for them. I'll never vote for the racist, Bailey.
Yes, it's terrific - rather touching even - that the American President, with all that he has on his plate, is so concerned about the crime rate in our capital city. Demonstrates remarkable bandwidth.
It probably demonstrates they've just run a report from London on Fox News.
One or two of those not well disposed toward the LDs getting a fit of the vapours over the Brecon & Radnor recall petition. Perhaps but it's politics and for parties struggling in fourth with 19% of the poll any and every opportunity has to be taken.
The nature of the offence automatically triggered the recall under the terms of the 2015 Act which Conservatives voted through and was perhaps an understandable if delayed reaction to the expenses claims scandals of the late 2000s.
It's almost tradition for LD leaders to have their baptism of fire in a by-election or similar. The late and much lamented Charles Kennedy had his moment when Romsey was taken in 1999 from the main Opposition party and it would be a huge fillip for the Party and the new leader were the seat to be re-captured.
Hmmm .. it is bit like the embarrassing Anglophone Canadian politicians who mumble a few incoherent French words on their trip to Montreal or Quebec City to show that they are really Canadiens as well.
Stephen Harper put a lot of genuine effort into learning French and was not actually terrible (B1 maybe) by the time he got hoofed out.
OK I agree B1 is "not actually terrible", but most Canadians I have met got to at least this level in school and is not really worth praising a Prime Minister for reaching this level.
What’s poor about it, he fundamentally disagrees with his stance . And doesn’t want any future leadership challenge being tainted by the stench of being part of the likely lunatic cabinet Bozo will put together .
Yep. He is playing for next time, or even one after (we may see Tories get through leaders very quickly now).
The market is very odd and probably a trader's dream at the moment as prices move in and out based, so far as I can tell, on no news. I was trying to work out if Gove was the new Leadsom as his price fell but now it has drifted back out again.
No it is a fact that Boris gets the Tories to a higher voteshare in Scotland than any other Tory leadership candidate.
I know it does not fit diehard Remainers whinges about how Boris is less popular than Edward IInd in Scotland but tough those are the facts.
The average 2017 Scottish Tory was not some young urban pro independence social liberal but actually a pensioner living in a rural area or market town and a social conservative and very likely a Leave voter and many of them are now voting Brexit Party.
So Boris boosts the Tories vote in Scotlsnd just as he does in the rest of the UK
How can it be a "fact" when it hasn't been tested, and never will, at least in this universe?
We know the Tories were 4th in the European Parliament elections in Scotland behind the SNP, the Brexit Party and the LDs so a generic Tory will not do, Boris is is does)
The conclusion is your opinion, not a fact at all.
No it is a fact based on the polling and the rise of the Brexit Party in Scotland, just you dislike the facts
Your comment exemplifies the problem with so many of your posts on here. There is no such thing as a "fact based on polling".
Polling is merely an indication, subject to lots of caveats and a significant degree of error. Polling about leaders who aren't even in post is even more flaky, and can never be proven right or wrong since we will never get to compare different leaders' performances in the same election. How a leader performs in office can be very different from what people may be expecting, even if they have heard of the person to begin with.
What it does show though is that the argument of some on here that the Tories face guaranteed disaster in Scotland under Boris is complete rubbish and I will continue to make that point
Bottom line is that Boris will get a honeymoon, as would anyone (as did both May and Brown, despite what followed).
After that, he'll have to perform in office - PMQs, representing the country, putting together a government, deciding how to take Brexit forward.
He might surprise on the upside, or fulfil everyone's worst fears on the downside. After a few months, that record will matter a LOT more than the results of some hypothetical poll now and your bashing the buttons of your calculator on various subsamples.
What a tit. Does he need reminding what country he’s representing or something?
Trying to imitate the Trump / Obama / Bush approach, with the lapel badges most recently initiated by Bush, himself imitating Nixon at the height of the Vietnam era.
The Remainer hardcore will do something to find illegitimacy with any Brexit Party or Leave win. They love a petition and a march.
But that's just it, it is not as simple as 'doing something' to find illegitimacy. If they are not convicted of a crime and sentenced to less than 12 months in prison, or convicted of any expenses offence, or suspended from the House of Commons for a set period, none of which are entirely under the control of the 'remainer hardcore' then they cannot do anything short of changing legislation.
I get being aggrieved by how many have reacted to the referendum, but it is just simply not the case that MPs can so simply decide they don't like Brexit MPs and so will find a way to recall them. You're essentially already getting worked up and righteously angry about something that hasn't happened, and cannot happen in the way you think anyway. Perhaps be angry at things actually happening.
For one thing people can stand in any recall by-election, so anyone turfed out for a flimsy reason, eg just because some dislike them, would get back in.
Having spent a week in the lair of the beast (Belgium), I can honestly say no one mentioned Brexit to me at all. Everyone was very friendly, the food in Bruges and elsewhere glorious and the train service excellent. The weather could have been better but I gather it's not been much here.
From afar, I've caught snippets of the seemingly irresistible return of Boris Johnson. To his credit, he has recognised the longer the UK stays caught in the fly-trap of Brexit the weaker the Conservative Party will become so the UK must leave on October 31st whether with an agreed WA or not. That of course may end one nightmare and start another but that seems the risk Boris is prepared to take to save the Conservatives from a long and lingering death.
He has no solution and sounds more like May than some of the others on the logistics of us leaving and getting that through Parliament. The problem will be if the EU offer an extension to 2022 - if the EU decide not to offer an extension, any problems can be blamed on the EU but if the EU offer the extension and Boris decides to walk away he (or rather his Government) will own any problems resulting. Johnson will have seen the guidance on the consequences of a "No Deal" exit and it may be he either doesn't accept it or has decided the risk of leaving the Conservatives wriggling like fish on a hook are too great.
My second thought is the assumption Farage and TBP will just sit there and allow Johnson to take all their votes. I imagine Farage has some thoughts on how to deal with a Johnson-led Government and I wonder if immigration may be the elephant in this room. Johnson has always been liberal on immigration (well, he was when Mayor of London) and faces being outflanked by the more assertively anti-migrant TBP when it comes to deciding a post-EU immigration policy.
Yes they seem to be Rory's biggest new idea, other than that he is largely continuity May policy and Brexit wise, hence why May voted for him last week
I'm unaware of any verified authoritative source that May voted for Stewart, just speculation and gossip.
When something is in a poll or is speculated in a newspaper, it becomes fact to HYUFD.
The Remainer hardcore will do something to find illegitimacy with any Brexit Party or Leave win. They love a petition and a march.
But that's just it, it is not as simple as 'doing something' to find illegitimacy. If they are not convicted of a crime and sentenced to less than 12 months in prison, or convicted of any expenses offence, or suspended from the House of Commons for a set period, none of which are entirely under the control of the 'remainer hardcore' then they cannot do anything short of changing legislation.
I get being aggrieved by how many have reacted to the referendum, but it is just simply not the case that MPs can so simply decide they don't like Brexit MPs and so will find a way to recall them.
For one thing people can stand in any recall by-election, so anyone turfed out for a flimsy reason, eg just because some dislike them, would get back in.
You're wasting your time. He'll have his tantrum, facts or no facts.
Trump skewering Khan on violence again and Khan still has no fucking clue. Honestly if the lib Dems put up a candidate that isn't Chuka I'll vote for them. I'll never vote for the racist, Bailey.
Homicide is sharply down in London this year. But don’t let facts get in your way.
Really? There’s a lot of press attention on it so assumed it was up (presumably they are slicing and dicing [sick] to focus on teenage knife killings or something]
The long term trend remains, I believe, down. It was somewhat distorted by the mass locking up of young scrotes in the wake of the 2011 riots. With their release and the arrival of a new generation of young scrotes, there’s been a reversion to the long term trend.
To be clear, I don’t think politicians of any stripe have much to do with the trend in crime.
Maybe a coincidence, but the numbers were a lot worse under Livingstone than Boris, and seem to have risen since Khan took over
Bit unfair to Ken that really
Looking at that graph Khan "has" the lowest average of the 3 mayors to date. The idea the Mayor has significant control over the murder rate is quite strange. The cheapest and quickest way to reduce knife crime would be stop talking so much about it. The sensationalist media coverage will have led to a normalisation effect, which is followed by more and more teenagers carrying knives in a foolish attempt at self preservation.
Can you imagine if in a few weeks time Com Res had to apologize for a mistake in their data set about the impact of possible leader on voting intentions which negated the already very dubious results.
Mike has rather overlooked the December 2016 Richmond by election as a farly recent example of the LibDems being the clear challenger. I make the Government cum DUP majority to be 5 currently , but more crucial than what happens at Brecon & Radnor is surely how many Tory MPs resign the Whip in response to Johnson's election. Grieve, Greening and Lee come to mind and there may well be others . That should be sufficient to topple the Government.
LibDems have actively been campaigning in B&R to secure the recall (as per Mike's pic), so I'd hope and expect it'll succeed.
In theory the 10% threshold should be a breeze for the yellow peril wafting through the historic liberal diaspora of that huge bucolic seat. However it's a normal trait of the LibDems to trail impending success and I don't believe we've heard much from the entrails of this campaign.
Are the LibDems struggling to get the voters to engage?
Wise words, young Jack, and who would know more about struggles to engage than your good self?
The offence of the sitting MP was not nearly so outrageous as the Peterborough case. I'd have thought 10,000 signatures is a lot to round up when the guy has already been punished. Only the politically motivated would be much moved to have him ousted and in rural Brecon I'm not sure there's enough such types.
Sure fire win for the LDs though if there is a bi.
The electorate is barely 53,000 there - so only 5,300 signatures or so are needed.
And half of New York and a lot lower than Washington. Best not forget the debate started because of trump demonizing Kahn based on a Katie Hopkins tweet!
Mike has rather overlooked the December 2016 Richmond by election as a farly recent example of the LibDems being the clear challenger. I make the Government cum DUP majority to be 5 currently , but more crucial than what happens at Brecon & Radnor is surely how many Tory MPs resign the Whip in response to Johnson's election. Grieve, Greening and Lee come to mind and there may well be others . That should be sufficient to topple the Government.
I suspect none will resign the whip but will use swapping parties as leverage to use to block any progress on Brexit.
The Remainer hardcore will do something to find illegitimacy with any Brexit Party or Leave win. They love a petition and a march.
But that's just it, it is not as simple as 'doing something' to find illegitimacy. If they are not convicted of a crime and sentenced to less than 12 months in prison, or convicted of any expenses offence, or suspended from the House of Commons for a set period, none of which are entirely under the control of the 'remainer hardcore' then they cannot do anything short of changing legislation.
I get being aggrieved by how many have reacted to the referendum, but it is just simply not the case that MPs can so simply decide they don't like Brexit MPs and so will find a way to recall them. You're essentially already getting worked up and righteously angry about something that hasn't happened, and cannot happen in the way you think anyway. Perhaps be angry at things actually happening.
For one thing people can stand in any recall by-election, so anyone turfed out for a flimsy reason, eg just because some dislike them, would get back in.
I am angry at the things happening, things I didn’t believe our HofC were capable of. So I am comfortable with thinking that any success by a Leave inclined party will have to go through the courts, subject to petitions & marches, or be scrutinised beyond reason by the Remain leaning establishment and their followers.
On the contrary. If Boris implodes which must be strong favourite Rory will be one of the very few Tories left with his integrity intact. And he's good! He doesn't look it but flares looked stupid till they didn't.
I think Rory might win. From what I've seen of Boris he's unimpressive. I'd be surprised if he survives four weeks of scrutiny.
Trump skewering Khan on violence again and Khan still has no fucking clue. Honestly if the lib Dems put up a candidate that isn't Chuka I'll vote for them. I'll never vote for the racist, Bailey.
Homicide is sharply down in London this year. But don’t let facts get in your way.
Really? There’s a lot of press attention on it so assumed it was up (presumably they are slicing and dicing [sick] to focus on teenage knife killings or something]
The long term trend remains, I believe, down. It was somewhat distorted by the mass locking up of young scrotes in the wake of the 2011 riots. With their release and the arrival of a new generation of young scrotes, there’s been a reversion to the long term trend.
To be clear, I don’t think politicians of any stripe have much to do with the trend in crime.
Maybe a coincidence, but the numbers were a lot worse under Livingstone than Boris, and seem to have risen since Khan took over
Bit unfair to Ken that really
Looking at that graph Khan "has" the lowest average of the 3 mayors to date. The idea the Mayor has significant control over the murder rate is quite strange. The cheapest and quickest way to reduce knife crime would be stop talking so much about it. The sensationalist media coverage will have led to a normalisation effect, which is followed by more and more teenagers carrying knives in a foolish attempt at self preservation.
Haha that’s an amazing stat! The other two saw it lowered, Khan has seen it rise, but he has the lowest average!!! 🤣😂🤣 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
Three people go to weightwatchers, the first starts off at 20 stone and ends up 15, the second starts at 15 and gets to 10, the third starts at 10 and ends up 12, and you’d say the third did best?
I don’t know if he’s to blame or the others are to be congratulated, or it just happens. I disagree it’s media coverage to blame.
Trump skewering Khan on violence again and Khan still has no fucking clue. Honestly if the lib Dems put up a candidate that isn't Chuka I'll vote for them. I'll never vote for the racist, Bailey.
Homicide is sharply down in London this year. But don’t let facts get in your way.
London not even in top 50 of murder cities, US have four, maybe he should look closer to home.
Even the US is not that murderous.
OTOH, the murder rates in Latin America and the Caribbean are horrendous.
Should be comparing America to other developed countries.
On the contrary. If Boris implodes which must be strong favourite Rory will be one of the very few Tories left with his integrity intact. And he's good! He doesn't look it but flares looked stupid till they didn't.
I think Rory might win. From what I've seen of Boris he's unimpressive. I'd be surprised if he survives four weeks of scrutiny.
On the contrary. If Boris implodes which must be strong favourite Rory will be one of the very few Tories left with his integrity intact. And he's good! He doesn't look it but flares looked stupid till they didn't.
I think Rory might win. From what I've seen of Boris he's unimpressive. I'd be surprised if he survives four weeks of scrutiny.
Boris remains the candidate most likely to spectacularly implode, especially if it looks like he's losing the momentum. He has little to no self-control.
Rory Stewart was very self composed when talking to Farage there, he's interesting. Would like to see him make it through the next ballot and go into the Tuesday debate.
Mr. HYUFD, compare how many know who Boris is to how many know who Rory is. That recognition has an effect. Boris might still be ahead, even if Rory were better known, but we don't know either way.
I think Stewart is the only candidate who could challenge Boris for appeal in Scotland yes and indeed Rory already polls better in Scotland than in England.
What is clear however is Hunt does terribly in Scotland, the Foreign Secretary leading the Tories to just 19%, even Gove and Raab do better in Scotland than Hunt does (albeit the former helped by his Scottish roots)
Scots are racist?
No but they like their own e.g. Brown won a landslide in Scotland in 2010 despite losing power nationally
They are not racist... but they prefer someone of their own race?
Umm...
Aside from the peurile notion that the Scots are a 'race', any reason that Scots didn't show much of a preference for those fine examples of the Scotch race, IDS, Cameron and Blair?
Cameron and Blair were nominally Scottish but very much perceived as English.
IDS... well they say that blood is thicker than water... and IDS is thicker than blood...
What will Tory anti No Deal Remainers do in the second ballot?
In the first ballot, I suspect many of them voted for Johnson because you can't trust him so he was likely to renege on his No Deal position. Better Johnson than Raab or some other hard-liner who might keep their word.
Now Johnson is the most hard-liner left in the race. Hunt and Gove, though reluctant no-dealers, are both prepared to ask for a short extension. Rory will not countenance a No Deal and will take as long as it takes to get the WDA through parliament.
I can see a lot of Tory Remainer MPs switching from Johnson to Rory in the second ballot. Johnson's total might actually reduce and Rory will get his 33 easily. That's my prediction.
Brexit aside - if Rory becomes leader and advocates a movement away from our present system and towards sortition, I'll vote Tory (something I've never done in my life).
Mr. HYUFD, compare how many know who Boris is to how many know who Rory is. That recognition has an effect. Boris might still be ahead, even if Rory were better known, but we don't know either way.
I think Stewart is the only candidate who could challenge Boris for appeal in Scotland yes and indeed Rory already polls better in Scotland than in England.
What is clear however is Hunt does terribly in Scotland, the Foreign Secretary leading the Tories to just 19%, even Gove and Raab do better in Scotland than Hunt does (albeit the former helped by his Scottish roots)
Scots are racist?
No but they like their own e.g. Brown won a landslide in Scotland in 2010 despite losing power nationally
They are not racist... but they prefer someone of their own race?
Umm...
Aside from the peurile notion that the Scots are a 'race', any reason that Scots didn't show much of a preference for those fine examples of the Scotch race, IDS, Cameron and Blair?
Cameron and Blair were nominally Scottish but very much perceived as English.
IDS... well they say that blood is thicker than water... and IDS is thicker than blood...
You say that yet he comes over as articulate, coherent and cogent when I hear him. I think you've bought into groupthink.
What will Tory anti No Deal Remainers do in the second ballot?
In the first ballot, I suspect many of them voted for Johnson because you can't trust him so he was likely to renege on his No Deal position. Better Johnson than Raab or some other hard-liner who might keep their word.
Now Johnson is the most hard-liner left in the race. Hunt and Gove, though reluctant no-dealers, are both prepared to ask for a short extension. Rory will not countenance a No Deal and will take as long as it takes to get the WDA through parliament.
I can see a lot of Tory Remainer MPs switching from Johnson to Rory in the second ballot. Johnson's total might actually reduce and Rory will get his 33 easily. That's my prediction.
I think Rory said that if the EU refused an extension he would support No Deal rather than Revoke.
What will Tory anti No Deal Remainers do in the second ballot?
In the first ballot, I suspect many of them voted for Johnson because you can't trust him so he was likely to renege on his No Deal position. Better Johnson than Raab or some other hard-liner who might keep their word.
Now Johnson is the most hard-liner left in the race. Hunt and Gove, though reluctant no-dealers, are both prepared to ask for a short extension. Rory will not countenance a No Deal and will take as long as it takes to get the WDA through parliament.
I can see a lot of Tory Remainer MPs switching from Johnson to Rory in the second ballot. Johnson's total might actually reduce and Rory will get his 33 easily. That's my prediction.
I think Rory said that if the EU refused an extension he would support No Deal rather than Revoke.
Do you a link to that? I know he has been asked that question but I thought he dodged it.
Trump skewering Khan on violence again and Khan still has no fucking clue. Honestly if the lib Dems put up a candidate that isn't Chuka I'll vote for them. I'll never vote for the racist, Bailey.
Homicide is sharply down in London this year. But don’t let facts get in your way.
Really? There’s a lot of press attention on it so assumed it was up (presumably they are slicing and dicing [sick] to focus on teenage knife killings or something]
To be clear, I don’t think politicians of any stripe have much to do with the trend in crime.
Maybe a coincidence, but the numbers were a lot worse under Livingstone than Boris, and seem to have risen since Khan took over
Bit unfair to Ken that really
Looking at that graph Khan "has" the lowest average of the 3 mayors to date. The idea the Mayor has significant control over the murder rate is quite strange. The cheapest and quickest way to reduce knife crime would be stop talking so much about it. The sensationalist media coverage will have led to a normalisation effect, which is followed by more and more teenagers carrying knives in a foolish attempt at self preservation.
Haha that’s an amazing stat! The other two saw it lowered, Khan has seen it rise, but he has the lowest average!!! 🤣😂🤣 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
Three people go to weightwatchers, the first starts off at 20 stone and ends up 15, the second starts at 15 and gets to 10, the third starts at 10 and ends up 12, and you’d say the third did best?
I don’t know if he’s to blame or the others are to be congratulated, or it just happens. I disagree it’s media coverage to blame.
As I said I do not think the mayors have much influence over the numbers. Most people who carry a knife do it for perceived self defence. It should be fairly obvious the more that they believe other people are carrying, the more they will also carry. Once you are carrying if you get in a fight it changes from a potential fist fight to potential murder. I think it is self evident the more the media hypes it up the higher the murder rate.
Mr. HYUFD, compare how many know who Boris is to how many know who Rory is. That recognition has an effect. Boris might still be ahead, even if Rory were better known, but we don't know either way.
I think Stewart is the only candidate who could challenge Boris for appeal in Scotland yes and indeed Rory already polls better in Scotland than in England.
What is clear however is Hunt does terribly in Scotland, the Foreign Secretary leading the Tories to just 19%, even Gove and Raab do better in Scotland than Hunt does (albeit the former helped by his Scottish roots)
Scots are racist?
No but they like their own e.g. Brown won a landslide in Scotland in 2010 despite losing power nationally
They are not racist... but they prefer someone of their own race?
Umm...
Aside from the peurile notion that the Scots are a 'race', any reason that Scots didn't show much of a preference for those fine examples of the Scotch race, IDS, Cameron and Blair?
Please don't forget Kinnock. We Welsh refuse to take responsibility for that money-grabbing clan.
"Recorded in the spellings of Kynoch, Kinnoch, Kinnach, and Kinnock, this is an ancient Scottish surname. As Kynoch it has long been associated with the finest of Scottish knitwear ..., However spelt the surname originates from the pre 8th century Gaelic 'Cainnech', the base form also being found in such clan names as Kennedy. The translation is 'hard head' from the pre 7th century 'ceann' meaning head and 'eidigh', hard or possibly armoured, as in wearing a helmet, at a time when few could afford such luxuries ... Carried by several early Gaelic kings both in Scotland and Ireland, the 'Cainnech' was clearly considered complimentary or it could hardly have survived over so many centuries. The early surname recordings [are] taken from surviving Scottish rolls, charters, and registers of the post medieval period."
As I said I do not think the mayors have much influence over the numbers. Most people who carry a knife do it for perceived self defence. It should be fairly obvious the more that they believe other people are carrying, the more they will also carry. Once you are carrying if you get in a fight it changes from a potential fist fight to potential murder. I think it is self evident the more the media hypes it up the higher the murder rate.
There is also the impact of social media. 15 years ago if you got attacked, basically nobody saw it and only your immediate circle of friends would know about it.
Now everybody has a camera phone (and the trend of wanting to film violence), all the kids will see these attacks.
What will Tory anti No Deal Remainers do in the second ballot?
In the first ballot, I suspect many of them voted for Johnson because you can't trust him so he was likely to renege on his No Deal position. Better Johnson than Raab or some other hard-liner who might keep their word.
Now Johnson is the most hard-liner left in the race. Hunt and Gove, though reluctant no-dealers, are both prepared to ask for a short extension. Rory will not countenance a No Deal and will take as long as it takes to get the WDA through parliament.
I can see a lot of Tory Remainer MPs switching from Johnson to Rory in the second ballot. Johnson's total might actually reduce and Rory will get his 33 easily. That's my prediction.
I think you might be right, I can now see a final 3 of Boris, Gove and Rory with Rory winning over enough Remainers to knock out Hunt on Wednesday or Thursday lunchtime
Mr. HYUFD, compare how many know who Boris is to how many know who Rory is. That recognition has an effect. Boris might still be ahead, even if Rory were better known, but we don't know either way.
I think Stewart is the only candidate who could challenge Boris for appeal in Scotland yes and indeed Rory already polls better in Scotland than in England.
What is clear however is Hunt does terribly in Scotland, the Foreign Secretary leading the Tories to just 19%, even Gove and Raab do better in Scotland than Hunt does (albeit the former helped by his Scottish roots)
Scots are racist?
No but they like their own e.g. Brown won a landslide in Scotland in 2010 despite losing power nationally
They are not racist... but they prefer someone of their own race?
Umm...
Aside from the peurile notion that the Scots are a 'race', any reason that Scots didn't show much of a preference for those fine examples of the Scotch race, IDS, Cameron and Blair?
Please don't forget Kinnock. We Welsh refuse to take responsibility for that money-grabbing clan. [..]
What will Tory anti No Deal Remainers do in the second ballot?
In the first ballot, I suspect many of them voted for Johnson because you can't trust him so he was likely to renege on his No Deal position. Better Johnson than Raab or some other hard-liner who might keep their word.
Now Johnson is the most hard-liner left in the race. Hunt and Gove, though reluctant no-dealers, are both prepared to ask for a short extension. Rory will not countenance a No Deal and will take as long as it takes to get the WDA through parliament.
I can see a lot of Tory Remainer MPs switching from Johnson to Rory in the second ballot. Johnson's total might actually reduce and Rory will get his 33 easily. That's my prediction.
I'd have thought any remainer voting for Johnson is either kidding themselves that he wont no deal, or thinks that whatever his choices hes the best chance of propping up the Tory vote. I dont see why those people would switch.
Can you imagine if in a few weeks time Com Res had to apologize for a mistake in their data set about the impact of possible leader on voting intentions which negated the already very dubious results.
What will Tory anti No Deal Remainers do in the second ballot?
In the first ballot, I suspect many of them voted for Johnson because you can't trust him so he was likely to renege on his No Deal position. Better Johnson than Raab or some other hard-liner who might keep their word.
Now Johnson is the most hard-liner left in the race. Hunt and Gove, though reluctant no-dealers, are both prepared to ask for a short extension. Rory will not countenance a No Deal and will take as long as it takes to get the WDA through parliament.
I can see a lot of Tory Remainer MPs switching from Johnson to Rory in the second ballot. Johnson's total might actually reduce and Rory will get his 33 easily. That's my prediction.
I think you might be right, I can now see a final 3 of Boris, Gove and Rory with Rory winning over enough Remainers to knock out Hunt on Wednesday or Thursday lunchtime
..and going on to be prime minister next time round, after boris's premiership has run its predictable course.
What will Tory anti No Deal Remainers do in the second ballot?
In the first ballot, I suspect many of them voted for Johnson because you can't trust him so he was likely to renege on his No Deal position. Better Johnson than Raab or some other hard-liner who might keep their word.
Now Johnson is the most hard-liner left in the race. Hunt and Gove, though reluctant no-dealers, are both prepared to ask for a short extension. Rory will not countenance a No Deal and will take as long as it takes to get the WDA through parliament.
I can see a lot of Tory Remainer MPs switching from Johnson to Rory in the second ballot. Johnson's total might actually reduce and Rory will get his 33 easily. That's my prediction.
I think you might be right, I can now see a final 3 of Boris, Gove and Rory with Rory winning over enough Remainers to knock out Hunt on Wednesday or Thursday lunchtime
..and going on to be prime minister next time round, after boris's premiership has run its predictable course.
I would certainly have no problem with Rory succeeding Boris after a decade in power in which Boris has comfortably been re-elected and delivered a successful Brexit and a global free trading Britain with a FTA with the EU
What will Tory anti No Deal Remainers do in the second ballot?
In the first ballot, I suspect many of them voted for Johnson because you can't trust him so he was likely to renege on his No Deal position. Better Johnson than Raab or some other hard-liner who might keep their word.
Now Johnson is the most hard-liner left in the race. Hunt and Gove, though reluctant no-dealers, are both prepared to ask for a short extension. Rory will not countenance a No Deal and will take as long as it takes to get the WDA through parliament.
I can see a lot of Tory Remainer MPs switching from Johnson to Rory in the second ballot. Johnson's total might actually reduce and Rory will get his 33 easily. That's my prediction.
I think you might be right, I can now see a final 3 of Boris, Gove and Rory with Rory winning over enough Remainers to knock out Hunt on Wednesday or Thursday lunchtime
..and going on to be prime minister next time round, after boris's premiership has run its predictable course.
I would certainly have no problem with Rory succeeding Boris after a decade in power in which Boris has comfortably been re-elected and delivered a successful Brexit and a global free trading Britain with a FTA with the EU
I fear you'll find yourself having some problems with the next few years, in that case ;.)
Mr. HYUFD, compare how many know who Boris is to how many know who Rory is. That recognition has an effect. Boris might still be ahead, even if Rory were better known, but we don't know either way.
I think Stewart is the only candidate who could challenge Boris for appeal in Scotland yes and indeed Rory already polls better in Scotland than in England.
What is clear however is Hunt does terribly in Scotland, the Foreign Secretary leading the Tories to just 19%, even Gove and Raab do better in Scotland than Hunt does (albeit the former helped by his Scottish roots)
Scots are racist?
No but they like their own e.g. Brown won a landslide in Scotland in 2010 despite losing power nationally
They are not racist... but they prefer someone of their own race?
Umm...
Aside from the peurile notion that the Scots are a 'race', any reason that Scots didn't show much of a preference for those fine examples of the Scotch race, IDS, Cameron and Blair?
Please don't forget Kinnock. We Welsh refuse to take responsibility for that money-grabbing clan. [..]
Will you take responsibility for William Wallace?
Assuredly. Wallace means Welshman. Of course, there were Cymric-speaking parts of Scotland, long, long ago.
I would certainly have no problem with Rory succeeding Boris after a decade in power in which Boris has comfortably been re-elected and delivered a successful Brexit and a global free trading Britain with a FTA with the EU
Presumably handing over 30 Scottish seats after Boris sees off the SNP?
Mr. HYUFD, compare how many know who Boris is to how many know who Rory is. That recognition has an effect. Boris might still be ahead, even if Rory were better known, but we don't know either way.
I think Stewart is the only candidate who could challenge Boris for appeal in Scotland yes and indeed Rory already polls better in Scotland than in England.
What is clear however is Hunt does terribly in Scotland, the Foreign Secretary leading the Tories to just 19%, even Gove and Raab do better in Scotland than Hunt does (albeit the former helped by his Scottish roots)
Scots are racist?
No but they like their own e.g. Brown won a landslide in Scotland in 2010 despite losing power nationally
They are not racist... but they prefer someone of their own race?
Umm...
Aside from the peurile notion that the Scots are a 'race', any reason that Scots didn't show much of a preference for those fine examples of the Scotch race, IDS, Cameron and Blair?
Please don't forget Kinnock. We Welsh refuse to take responsibility for that money-grabbing clan. [..]
Will you take responsibility for William Wallace?
Nobody should be forced to take responsibility for Braveheart. I think it's fair to say Mel Gibson blue it.
Does Rory The Tory really come across as a leader though? I like Rory, he ain't no dum dum, he speaks rationally and thoughtfully, but does he have the leadership x-factor (not just for Tory supporters, but wider going out into the world representing the UK) ?
Seems to me, it is more that he would make a very capable senior minister, say Foreign Secretary.
What will Tory anti No Deal Remainers do in the second ballot?
In the first ballot, I suspect many of them voted for Johnson because you can't trust him so he was likely to renege on his No Deal position. Better Johnson than Raab or some other hard-liner who might keep their word.
Now Johnson is the most hard-liner left in the race. Hunt and Gove, though reluctant no-dealers, are both prepared to ask for a short extension. Rory will not countenance a No Deal and will take as long as it takes to get the WDA through parliament.
I can see a lot of Tory Remainer MPs switching from Johnson to Rory in the second ballot. Johnson's total might actually reduce and Rory will get his 33 easily. That's my prediction.
I think you might be right, I can now see a final 3 of Boris, Gove and Rory with Rory winning over enough Remainers to knock out Hunt on Wednesday or Thursday lunchtime
..and going on to be prime minister next time round, after boris's premiership has run its predictable course.
I would certainly have no problem with Rory succeeding Boris after a decade in power in which Boris has comfortably been re-elected and delivered a successful Brexit and a global free trading Britain with a FTA with the EU
How come Michael Gove has hacked Hyufd's account while stoned?
I would certainly have no problem with Rory succeeding Boris after a decade in power in which Boris has comfortably been re-elected and delivered a successful Brexit and a global free trading Britain with a FTA with the EU
Presumably handing over 30 Scottish seats after Boris sees off the SNP?
Comres has the SNP on 30%, Boris led Tories on 28% in Scotland so not impossible!
Does Rory The Tory really come across as a leader though? I like Rory, he ain't no dum dum, he speaks rationally and thoughtfully, but does he have the leadership x-factor (not just for Tory supporters, but wider going out into the world representing the UK) ?
Seems to me, it is more that he would make a very capable senior minister, say Foreign Secretary.
Mr. HYUFD, compare how many know who Boris is to how many know who Rory is. That recognition has an effect. Boris might still be ahead, even if Rory were better known, but we don't know either way.
I think Stewart is the only candidate who could challenge Boris for appeal in Scotland yes and indeed Rory already polls better in Scotland than in England.
What is clear however is Hunt does terribly in Scotland, the Foreign Secretary leading the Tories to just 19%, even Gove and Raab do better in Scotland than Hunt does (albeit the former helped by his Scottish roots)
Scots are racist?
No but they like their own e.g. Brown won a landslide in Scotland in 2010 despite losing power nationally
They are not racist... but they prefer someone of their own race?
Umm...
Aside from the peurile notion that the Scots are a 'race', any reason that Scots didn't show much of a preference for those fine examples of the Scotch race, IDS, Cameron and Blair?
Please don't forget Kinnock. We Welsh refuse to take responsibility for that money-grabbing clan. [..]
Will you take responsibility for William Wallace?
Nobody should be forced to take responsibility for Braveheart. I think it's fair to say Mel Gibson blue it.
Does Rory The Tory really come across as a leader though? I like Rory, he ain't no dum dum, he speaks rationally and thoughtfully, but does he have the leadership x-factor (not just for Tory supporters, but wider going out into the world representing the UK) ?
Seems to me, it is more that he would make a very capable senior minister, say Foreign Secretary.
He looks like what Cameron wanted to be, to me. A celto-english consensus Tory with gentlemanly manners, the kind of background that figured disproportionately in the old Tory wets, and also figures disproportionately in the national and international imagination of 'the British' ; James Bond was a written as just such a character, by a celto-english patrician.
Mr. HYUFD, compare how many know who Boris is to how many know who Rory is. That recognition has an effect. Boris might still be ahead, even if Rory were better known, but we don't know either way.
I think Stewart is the only candidate who could challenge Boris for appeal in Scotland yes and indeed Rory already polls better in Scotland than in England.
What is clear however is Hunt does terribly in Scotland, the Foreign Secretary leading the Tories to just 19%, even Gove and Raab do better in Scotland than Hunt does (albeit the former helped by his Scottish roots)
Scots are racist?
No but they like their own e.g. Brown won a landslide in Scotland in 2010 despite losing power nationally
They are not racist... but they prefer someone of their own race?
Umm...
Aside from the peurile notion that the Scots are a 'race', any reason that Scots didn't show much of a preference for those fine examples of the Scotch race, IDS, Cameron and Blair?
Please don't forget Kinnock. We Welsh refuse to take responsibility for that money-grabbing clan. [..]
Will you take responsibility for William Wallace?
Nobody should be forced to take responsibility for Braveheart. I think it's fair to say Mel Gibson blue it.
I would certainly have no problem with Rory succeeding Boris after a decade in power in which Boris has comfortably been re-elected and delivered a successful Brexit and a global free trading Britain with a FTA with the EU
Presumably handing over 30 Scottish seats after Boris sees off the SNP?
With all these species dying out it’ll be nice to add flying pigs to the menagerie.
Mr. Borough, party members choosing a party member seems fairly standard, to be honest. The only other way is for MPs to decide (which might happen anyway).
Would people complain about the membership demographics if they were skewed the other way?
What will Tory anti No Deal Remainers do in the second ballot?
In the first ballot, I suspect many of them voted for Johnson because you can't trust him so he was likely to renege on his No Deal position. Better Johnson than Raab or some other hard-liner who might keep their word.
Now Johnson is the most hard-liner left in the race. Hunt and Gove, though reluctant no-dealers, are both prepared to ask for a short extension. Rory will not countenance a No Deal and will take as long as it takes to get the WDA through parliament.
I can see a lot of Tory Remainer MPs switching from Johnson to Rory in the second ballot. Johnson's total might actually reduce and Rory will get his 33 easily. That's my prediction.
I think Rory said that if the EU refused an extension he would support No Deal rather than Revoke.
Do you a link to that? I know he has been asked that question but I thought he dodged it.
No, sorry, I can't find it.
Someone posted a link here saying he would choose No Deal over Revoke. I was surprised, but when I listened to it, he was talking about what he would do if the EU refused an extension. He said something about patriotism kicking in, if I remember correctly. The only daft thing I've heard him say so far.
The Remainer hardcore will do something to find illegitimacy with any Brexit Party or Leave win. They love a petition and a march.
But that's just it, it is not as simple as 'doing something' to find illegitimacy. If they are not convicted of a crime and sentenced to less than 12 months in prison, or convicted of any expenses offence, or suspended from the House of Commons for a set period, none of which are entirely under the control of the 'remainer hardcore' then they cannot do anything short of changing legislation.
I get being aggrieved by how many have reacted to the referendum, but it is just simply not the case that MPs can so simply decide they don't like Brexit MPs and so will find a way to recall them. You're essentially already getting worked up and righteously angry about something that hasn't happened, and cannot happen in the way you think anyway. Perhaps be angry at things actually happening.
For one thing people can stand in any recall by-election, so anyone turfed out for a flimsy reason, eg just because some dislike them, would get back in.
I am angry at the things happening, things I didn’t believe our HofC were capable of. So I am comfortable with thinking that any success by a Leave inclined party will have to go through the courts, subject to petitions & marches, or be scrutinised beyond reason by the Remain leaning establishment and their followers.
Sounds like there might be something up in Peterborough. Police investigating five separate complaints about conduct observed during the by-election.
What will Tory anti No Deal Remainers do in the second ballot?
In the first ballot, I suspect many of them voted for Johnson because you can't trust him so he was likely to renege on his No Deal position. Better Johnson than Raab or some other hard-liner who might keep their word.
Now Johnson is the most hard-liner left in the race. Hunt and Gove, though reluctant no-dealers, are both prepared to ask for a short extension. Rory will not countenance a No Deal and will take as long as it takes to get the WDA through parliament.
I can see a lot of Tory Remainer MPs switching from Johnson to Rory in the second ballot. Johnson's total might actually reduce and Rory will get his 33 easily. That's my prediction.
I think you might be right, I can now see a final 3 of Boris, Gove and Rory with Rory winning over enough Remainers to knock out Hunt on Wednesday or Thursday lunchtime
..and going on to be prime minister next time round, after boris's premiership has run its predictable course.
I would certainly have no problem with Rory succeeding Boris after a decade in power in which Boris has comfortably been re-elected and delivered a successful Brexit and a global free trading Britain with a FTA with the EU
I would certainly have no problem with white wine coming out of the cold tap and red wine out of the hot.
Whether Labour's people like it or not, the fact remains that we were left uniquely and grossly exposed to worldwide recession due to the laziness and complacency of government and regulators coupled with an unfunded spending spree immediately beforehand.
Admitting that isn't going to change the narrative. Refusing to admit it does however make them look like fools.
The last thing the HofC wants is no deal Brexit with inadequate preparation.
Rather a slim chance, but suppose new tory leader was unable to command confidence of the house and neither could Corbyn leading to new general election. If there was no majority or coalition that could be formed, do we crash out with inadequate preparation and no-one has authority to send A50 revocation letter to prevent this?
Should T May send in or seek HofC approval for sending a conditional A50 revocation letter if and only if these circumstances happen?
What will Tory anti No Deal Remainers do in the second ballot?
In the first ballot, I suspect many of them voted for Johnson because you can't trust him so he was likely to renege on his No Deal position. Better Johnson than Raab or some other hard-liner who might keep their word.
Now Johnson is the most hard-liner left in the race. Hunt and Gove, though reluctant no-dealers, are both prepared to ask for a short extension. Rory will not countenance a No Deal and will take as long as it takes to get the WDA through parliament.
I can see a lot of Tory Remainer MPs switching from Johnson to Rory in the second ballot. Johnson's total might actually reduce and Rory will get his 33 easily. That's my prediction.
I think you might be right, I can now see a final 3 of Boris, Gove and Rory with Rory winning over enough Remainers to knock out Hunt on Wednesday or Thursday lunchtime
..and going on to be prime minister next time round, after boris's premiership has run its predictable course.
Yep, Rory is aiming to be the next but one Tory leader - probably in January, possibly even earlier.
Mr. HYUFD, compare how many know who Boris is to how many know who Rory is. That recognition has an effect. Boris might still be ahead, even if Rory were better known, but we don't know either way.
I think Stewart is the only candidate who could challenge Boris for appeal in Scotland yes and indeed Rory already polls better in Scotland than in England.
What is clear however is Hunt does terribly in Scotland, the Foreign Secretary leading the Tories to just 19%, even Gove and Raab do better in Scotland than Hunt does (albeit the former helped by his Scottish roots)
Scots are racist?
No but they like their own e.g. Brown won a landslide in Scotland in 2010 despite losing power nationally
They are not racist... but they prefer someone of their own race?
Umm...
Aside from the peurile notion that the Scots are a 'race', any reason that Scots didn't show much of a preference for those fine examples of the Scotch race, IDS, Cameron and Blair?
Please don't forget Kinnock. We Welsh refuse to take responsibility for that money-grabbing clan. [..]
Will you take responsibility for William Wallace?
Nobody should be forced to take responsibility for Braveheart. I think it's fair to say Mel Gibson blue it.
Good question. My initial thought was that they were an NGO of official observers, but now I’m not so sure. Note that no other papers have followed the MoS on this story, although the complaints to the police are genuine.
The "grandees" who were asking for a coronation seem to have stirred up something of a hornets nest.
While a few of the less intelligent Scottish Tories- Thomson, Clark,- have backed Johnson, Ruth Davidson is going to have a real headache if he won. haky.
A Boris lead in the opinion polls would go the way of the Ullapool-Inverness ferry.
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There is a ridiculous level of focus on hypothetical match-ups.
Davidson's worry isn't about the s.
No it is a fact that Boris gets the Tories to a higher voteshare in Scotland than any other Tory leadership candidate.
I know it does not fit diehard Remainers whinges about how Boris is less popular than Edward IInd in Scotland but tough those are the facts.
The average 2017 Scottish Tory was not some young urban pro independence social liberal but actually a pensioner living in a rural area or market town and a social conservative and very likely a Leave voter and many of them are now voting Brexit Party.
So Boris boosts the Tories vote in Scotlsnd just as he does in the rest of the UK
How can it be a "fact" when it hasn't been tested, and never will, at least in this universe?
We know the Tories were 4th in the European Parliament elections in Scotland behind the SNP, the Brexit Party and the LDs so a generic Tory will not do, Boris is is does)
The conclusion is your opinion, not a fact at all.
No it is a fact based on the polling and the rise of the Brexit Party in Scotland, just you dislike the facts
Your comment exemplifies the problem with so many of your posts on here. There is no such thing as a "fact based on polling".
Polling is merely an indication, subject to lots of caveats and a significant degree of error. Polling about leaders who aren't even in post is even more flaky, and can never be proven right or wrong since we will never get to compare different leaders' performances in the same election. How a leader performs in office can be very different from what people may be expecting, even if they have heard of the person to begin with.
What it does show though is that the argument of some on here that the Tories face guaranteed disaster in Scotland under Boris is complete rubbish and I will continue to make that point
We will see the proof of the pudding is in the eating
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Boris has committed to take us out Deal or No Deal in October but of course if he doesn't as Yougov today shows Nigel Farage would be Kingmaker in the Commons and Boris could not become PM without the backing of Brexit Party MPs
One or two of those not well disposed toward the LDs getting a fit of the vapours over the Brecon & Radnor recall petition. Perhaps but it's politics and for parties struggling in fourth with 19% of the poll any and every opportunity has to be taken.
The nature of the offence automatically triggered the recall under the terms of the 2015 Act which Conservatives voted through and was perhaps an understandable if delayed reaction to the expenses claims scandals of the late 2000s.
It's almost tradition for LD leaders to have their baptism of fire in a by-election or similar. The late and much lamented Charles Kennedy had his moment when Romsey was taken in 1999 from the main Opposition party and it would be a huge fillip for the Party and the new leader were the seat to be re-captured.
Does he need reminding what country he’s representing or something?
After that, he'll have to perform in office - PMQs, representing the country, putting together a government, deciding how to take Brexit forward.
He might surprise on the upside, or fulfil everyone's worst fears on the downside. After a few months, that record will matter a LOT more than the results of some hypothetical poll now and your bashing the buttons of your calculator on various subsamples.
https://twitter.com/piersmorgan/status/1140191763434561537
I get being aggrieved by how many have reacted to the referendum, but it is just simply not the case that MPs can so simply decide they don't like Brexit MPs and so will find a way to recall them. You're essentially already getting worked up and righteously angry about something that hasn't happened, and cannot happen in the way you think anyway. Perhaps be angry at things actually happening.
For one thing people can stand in any recall by-election, so anyone turfed out for a flimsy reason, eg just because some dislike them, would get back in.
From afar, I've caught snippets of the seemingly irresistible return of Boris Johnson. To his credit, he has recognised the longer the UK stays caught in the fly-trap of Brexit the weaker the Conservative Party will become so the UK must leave on October 31st whether with an agreed WA or not. That of course may end one nightmare and start another but that seems the risk Boris is prepared to take to save the Conservatives from a long and lingering death.
He has no solution and sounds more like May than some of the others on the logistics of us leaving and getting that through Parliament. The problem will be if the EU offer an extension to 2022 - if the EU decide not to offer an extension, any problems can be blamed on the EU but if the EU offer the extension and Boris decides to walk away he (or rather his Government) will own any problems resulting. Johnson will have seen the guidance on the consequences of a "No Deal" exit and it may be he either doesn't accept it or has decided the risk of leaving the Conservatives wriggling like fish on a hook are too great.
My second thought is the assumption Farage and TBP will just sit there and allow Johnson to take all their votes. I imagine Farage has some thoughts on how to deal with a Johnson-led Government and I wonder if immigration may be the elephant in this room. Johnson has always been liberal on immigration (well, he was when Mayor of London) and faces being outflanked by the more assertively anti-migrant TBP when it comes to deciding a post-EU immigration policy.
https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/624/cpsprodpb/2587/production/_104970690_per_hundred_thousand-nc.png
The rest will all be arse licking Bozo to get a cabinet job .
Spoke in Boris's wheel (and well-deserved one).
Notice Harry Cole seems to be talking him up on Twitter this morning, which is an interesting shift.
I think Rory might win. From what I've seen of Boris he's unimpressive. I'd be surprised if he survives four weeks of scrutiny.
Three people go to weightwatchers, the first starts off at 20 stone and ends up 15, the second starts at 15 and gets to 10, the third starts at 10 and ends up 12, and you’d say the third did best?
I don’t know if he’s to blame or the others are to be congratulated, or it just happens. I disagree it’s media coverage to blame.
I doubt their figures look so good in that case.
Bodes well for him.
Rory Stewart was very self composed when talking to Farage there, he's interesting. Would like to see him make it through the next ballot and go into the Tuesday debate.
So c'mon Rory! Take the charlatan down! 👊
IDS... well they say that blood is thicker than water... and IDS is thicker than blood...
In the first ballot, I suspect many of them voted for Johnson because you can't trust him so he was likely to renege on his No Deal position. Better Johnson than Raab or some other hard-liner who might keep their word.
Now Johnson is the most hard-liner left in the race. Hunt and Gove, though reluctant no-dealers, are both prepared to ask for a short extension. Rory will not countenance a No Deal and will take as long as it takes to get the WDA through parliament.
I can see a lot of Tory Remainer MPs switching from Johnson to Rory in the second ballot. Johnson's total might actually reduce and Rory will get his 33 easily. That's my prediction.
There are Rorettes now apparently.
USA 5.35
Canada 1.68
France 1.35
UK 1.2ish (E&W vs Scotland figures)
Germany 1.18
Italy 0.67
Spain 0.63
"I’ll always be a Milifan. Ed was the best prime minister we never had"
- Abby Tomlinson
So no surprise there, the Guardian knows who its readers are
https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2017/06/13/how-britain-voted-2017-general-election
"Recorded in the spellings of Kynoch, Kinnoch, Kinnach, and Kinnock, this is an ancient Scottish surname. As Kynoch it has long been associated with the finest of Scottish knitwear ..., However spelt the surname originates from the pre 8th century Gaelic 'Cainnech', the base form also being found in such clan names as Kennedy. The translation is 'hard head' from the pre 7th century 'ceann' meaning head and 'eidigh', hard or possibly armoured, as in wearing a helmet, at a time when few could afford such luxuries ... Carried by several early Gaelic kings both in Scotland and Ireland, the 'Cainnech' was clearly considered complimentary or it could hardly have survived over so many centuries. The early surname recordings [are] taken from surviving Scottish rolls, charters, and registers of the post medieval period."
Now everybody has a camera phone (and the trend of wanting to film violence), all the kids will see these attacks.
https://democracyvolunteers.org/
Are they an impartial group?
But fair enough for a bold prediction.
Seems to me, it is more that he would make a very capable senior minister, say Foreign Secretary.
Next question.
Do any of the others?
Ah, that's a no as well.
In the country of the blind...
https://twitter.com/alantravis40/status/1140100844433616899
Would people complain about the membership demographics if they were skewed the other way?
https://twitter.com/PaulNolandhm/status/1140197063096975360
Someone posted a link here saying he would choose No Deal over Revoke. I was surprised, but when I listened to it, he was talking about what he would do if the EU refused an extension. He said something about patriotism kicking in, if I remember correctly. The only daft thing I've heard him say so far.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7146673/Farage-lashes-observers-warn-Labours-election-win-Peterborough.html
https://twitter.com/GuidoFawkes/status/1140213982978039808
Admitting that isn't going to change the narrative. Refusing to admit it does however make them look like fools.
Rather a slim chance, but suppose new tory leader was unable to command confidence of the house and neither could Corbyn leading to new general election. If there was no majority or coalition that could be formed, do we crash out with inadequate preparation and no-one has authority to send A50 revocation letter to prevent this?
Should T May send in or seek HofC approval for sending a conditional A50 revocation letter if and only if these circumstances happen?