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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,010
    Anyone see any design flaws with this?

    https://twitter.com/cnni/status/1136634362194210816?s=21
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    logical_songlogical_song Posts: 9,702

    nico67 said:

    nico67 said:

    If Labour do lose Peterborough it won’t be because they didn’t try and get their vote out .

    Looks like a huge GOTV operation , activists being bussed in from all around the country.

    I have to say I am always impressed by the Labour party machine on the ground. I once lived in a Labour held marginal and I saw activists with red rosettes in one street knocking up the residents. They were systematically going from door to door and there were about a dozen or so activists doing this. It was the 2001 general election in Harrow West on the old boundaries, Danny Finklestien had been hotly tipped to win the seat and instead the Tories went backward. I voted for 'the Fink' and still think he would have been a good MP...
    Whether it will be enough we’ll see later tonight . If Labour minimize the loss to the Lib Dems and Greens and BP they could still poll into the 30s . They had 48% in 2017 , much depends on what happens with the Tories vote.

    The current betting is based on the Euro elections but that’s not really the best guide . The constituency boundaries are different .

    I think the BP are of course favourites but without any specific polling there’s still some doubt.
    I think one has to be careful about not reading too much prediction wise for the recent European election in comparison to this by-election. The Euro's were seen as a free hit whereas depending on what Labour campaigned on locally this could be more focused on bread and butter issues or national priorities. I could be wrong but a higher turnout could markedly work in Labours favour. If Labour do retain it get ready for all the BS about it being a vindication of our Marxist friend Corbyn!
    I suppose we could take comfort from a BP win if it makes it more likely that Corbyn would be challenged again, or from a Labour win for obvious reasons.
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    The_TaxmanThe_Taxman Posts: 2,979

    Anyone see any design flaws with this?

    https://twitter.com/cnni/status/1136634362194210816?s=21

    If you have ever seen the Jason Statham film: The mechanic resurrection you would not go near a pool like that!
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    JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 38,879

    Anyone see any design flaws with this?

    https://twitter.com/cnni/status/1136634362194210816?s=21

    Access is the obvious one: and they've thought of it:

    ""We faced some quite major technical challenges to this building, the biggest one being how to actually get into the pool," said Compass Pool's swimming pool designer and technical director Alex Kemsley in an interview on the company's website.
    "The solution is based on the door of a submarine, coupled with a rotating spiral staircase which rises from the pool floor when someone wants to get in or out -- the absolute cutting edge of swimming pool and building design and a little bit James Bond to boot!""

    I can't really see such a mechanism working in the medium- or long-term though.

    I can see other complexities (e.g. how to stop it overflowing, how to fill it up etc), but I assume infinity pools already have those sussed.
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    oldpoliticsoldpolitics Posts: 455

    nico67 said:

    If Labour do lose Peterborough it won’t be because they didn’t try and get their vote out .

    Looks like a huge GOTV operation , activists being bussed in from all around the country.

    Yep. Plenty of the 103 Labour MPs who signed the pledge to Jews to keep the Jewish Labour Movement from disaffiliating have broken that pledge by showing up in Peterborough. It has not gone un-noticed.
    What pledge have they broke?
    They pledged to (1) "play a leadership role in tackling toxic [anti-Jewish] racism" and to (2) "proudly stand with our Jewish comrades to ensure that Antisemitism has no place in the Labour Movement at any level", including to (3) "speak up against antisemitism wherever it is expressed".

    Today they are remaining silent (breaking Pledge 3) on the expressions of antisemitism endorsed by the Peterborough Labour candidate (chosen by the same CLP that picked a Holocaust Denier for council, then bullied those who reported it out of the party).

    They are not standing with Jewish comrades, who called for the Labour candidate to stand down, and are working to ensure that Antisemitism's place in the Labour Movement is in Parliament (breaking Pledge 2).

    This behaviour is not compatible with claiming to have a leadership role in tackling Antisemitism. It is to minimise antisemitism by proving that it has no negative consequences to a Labour career. (breaking Pledge 1).



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    rpjsrpjs Posts: 3,787

    rpjs said:

    O/T but about betting. I am here for the political comment and gossip, and am not normally a gambler. However last night I dreamt a very specific future sport result (Croatia to beat Brazil 7 - 2 to win the 2020 World Cup(!), if anyone's interested) and I am tempted to make a small flutter. I am resident in the US which doesn't like sport betting online (except for from NJ currently, and I have standards). I do have UK-issued debit/credit cards but these are associated with my US address.

    Can any other PB expats recommend a UK or other online betting site that will take a UK card that has a non-UK billing address? I have a VPN that can give me a UK IP address.

    A UKIP address????
    United Kingdom-located Internet Protocol address for the pedantic.
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    RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 27,160

    nico67 said:

    If Labour do lose Peterborough it won’t be because they didn’t try and get their vote out .

    Looks like a huge GOTV operation , activists being bussed in from all around the country.

    Yes, it's been a while since we read people saying that all those new Labour members just sat around hammering keyboards. The membership remains as feisty as ever. I don't think it's going to be quite enough, but I wish I could have been there today.
    Corbyn cultists are feisty. Outside of cultists go ask local organisers how many people are actually active - it's got significantly worse.

    I anticipate the Peterborough data will be pretty accurate - having taken the seat in 2017 they will know where the Labour pledges are. However, I wouldn't have a lot of confidence that 2017 pledges translate into 2019 votes - aside from the national insanity we had the Labour MP pervert the course of justice and be sacked, and the new candidate who is embroiled in an anti-semitism scandal.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 116,935
    Mirror interviews with voters in Peterborough, every one voting Brexit Party having previously voted Labour or Tory before apart from 1 Remainer still deciding between the LDs and Labour

    https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/meet-voters-peterborough-brexit-party-16260678
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    Black_RookBlack_Rook Posts: 8,905

    Anyone see any design flaws with this?

    https://twitter.com/cnni/status/1136634362194210816?s=21

    It looks completely terrifying?
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    CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    kinabalu said:

    It also propagates a cult of an irreplaceable leader.

    A strongman with an ostentatious love of nation - backed by money from rich and shadowy men.

    Ok I don't want to hyperbolize. Farage is not Mussolini. But he's certainly not Atticus Finch.
    Although Atticus Finch would be a really shit PM
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    GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 20,789
    HYUFD said:

    Mirror interviews with voters in Peterborough, every one voting Brexit Party having previously voted Labour or Tory before apart from 1 Remainer still deciding between the LDs and Labour

    https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/meet-voters-peterborough-brexit-party-16260678

    Brexit Party landslide on the way? :open_mouth:
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    Black_RookBlack_Rook Posts: 8,905
    HYUFD said:

    Mirror interviews with voters in Peterborough, every one voting Brexit Party having previously voted Labour or Tory before apart from 1 Remainer still deciding between the LDs and Labour

    https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/meet-voters-peterborough-brexit-party-16260678

    The dawn of the Shy Anti-Semite Voter?

    I'd like to imagine that Labour will get completely caned in that by-election, but I don't see it happening sadly.
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    IanB2IanB2 Posts: 47,212

    nico67 said:

    If Labour do lose Peterborough it won’t be because they didn’t try and get their vote out .

    Looks like a huge GOTV operation , activists being bussed in from all around the country.

    Yes, it's been a while since we read people saying that all those new Labour members just sat around hammering keyboards. The membership remains as feisty as ever. I don't think it's going to be quite enough, but I wish I could have been there today.
    Labour is fighting hard for second place.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 116,935
    GIN1138 said:

    HYUFD said:

    Mirror interviews with voters in Peterborough, every one voting Brexit Party having previously voted Labour or Tory before apart from 1 Remainer still deciding between the LDs and Labour

    https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/meet-voters-peterborough-brexit-party-16260678

    Brexit Party landslide on the way? :open_mouth:
    Could be, knocking up only works if it is close
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    tlg86tlg86 Posts: 25,187

    Anyone see any design flaws with this?

    https://twitter.com/cnni/status/1136634362194210816?s=21

    If you have ever seen the Jason Statham film: The mechanic resurrection you would not go near a pool like that!
    Just watched that scene on Youtube - very good.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 116,935

    HYUFD said:

    Mirror interviews with voters in Peterborough, every one voting Brexit Party having previously voted Labour or Tory before apart from 1 Remainer still deciding between the LDs and Labour

    https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/meet-voters-peterborough-brexit-party-16260678

    The dawn of the Shy Anti-Semite Voter?

    I'd like to imagine that Labour will get completely caned in that by-election, but I don't see it happening sadly.
    According to a tweet this morning Labour canvassers were finding about a third to half of those they were knocking up as Labour voters were not voting and at least 10% were voting for another party
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    tlg86tlg86 Posts: 25,187
    HYUFD said:

    GIN1138 said:

    HYUFD said:

    Mirror interviews with voters in Peterborough, every one voting Brexit Party having previously voted Labour or Tory before apart from 1 Remainer still deciding between the LDs and Labour

    https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/meet-voters-peterborough-brexit-party-16260678

    Brexit Party landslide on the way? :open_mouth:
    Could be, knocking up only works if it is close
    It might be close for second, which does matter I think.
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    SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 20,578
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Mirror interviews with voters in Peterborough, every one voting Brexit Party having previously voted Labour or Tory before apart from 1 Remainer still deciding between the LDs and Labour

    https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/meet-voters-peterborough-brexit-party-16260678

    The dawn of the Shy Anti-Semite Voter?

    I'd like to imagine that Labour will get completely caned in that by-election, but I don't see it happening sadly.
    According to a tweet this morning Labour canvassers were finding about a third to half of those they were knocking up as Labour voters were not voting and at least 10% were voting for another party
    And that was just the party members!


    (Not really)
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 116,935
    tlg86 said:

    HYUFD said:

    GIN1138 said:

    HYUFD said:

    Mirror interviews with voters in Peterborough, every one voting Brexit Party having previously voted Labour or Tory before apart from 1 Remainer still deciding between the LDs and Labour

    https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/meet-voters-peterborough-brexit-party-16260678

    Brexit Party landslide on the way? :open_mouth:
    Could be, knocking up only works if it is close
    It might be close for second, which does matter I think.
    I agree, it looks like the real battle is between the LDs and Labour for second and the Remainer vote, the Tories are out of, it the Leave vote almost all going Brexit Party it seems
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,248
    GIN1138 said:

    HYUFD said:

    Mirror interviews with voters in Peterborough, every one voting Brexit Party having previously voted Labour or Tory before apart from 1 Remainer still deciding between the LDs and Labour

    https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/meet-voters-peterborough-brexit-party-16260678

    Brexit Party landslide on the way? :open_mouth:
    If the Brexit Party don’t win by at least 10,000 votes then they are doomed.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 116,935

    GIN1138 said:

    HYUFD said:

    Mirror interviews with voters in Peterborough, every one voting Brexit Party having previously voted Labour or Tory before apart from 1 Remainer still deciding between the LDs and Labour

    https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/meet-voters-peterborough-brexit-party-16260678

    Brexit Party landslide on the way? :open_mouth:
    If the Brexit Party don’t win by at least 10,000 votes then they are doomed.
    If the Brexit Party win Peterborough they are heading for over 200 MPs on UNS
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    The_TaxmanThe_Taxman Posts: 2,979
    tlg86 said:

    Anyone see any design flaws with this?

    https://twitter.com/cnni/status/1136634362194210816?s=21

    If you have ever seen the Jason Statham film: The mechanic resurrection you would not go near a pool like that!
    Just watched that scene on Youtube - very good.
    I have got to the age where I feel I don't want to watch action films but that is a very well made film. I have watched it on TV a few times in the last 6 months.
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    FloaterFloater Posts: 14,195
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    bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 21,817
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    Labour MPs campaigning in #Peterborough today have remarked that it's too close to call between themselves and the Brexit Party.
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,248
    HYUFD said:

    GIN1138 said:

    HYUFD said:

    Mirror interviews with voters in Peterborough, every one voting Brexit Party having previously voted Labour or Tory before apart from 1 Remainer still deciding between the LDs and Labour

    https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/meet-voters-peterborough-brexit-party-16260678

    Brexit Party landslide on the way? :open_mouth:
    If the Brexit Party don’t win by at least 10,000 votes then they are doomed.
    If the Brexit Party win Peterborough they are heading for over 200 MPs on UNS
    In November 2014 UKIP won the Rochester by election by nearly 3,000 votes, a few months later they lost the seat by 7,000 votes.

    By election swings/results are seldom replicated at subsequent general elections.
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    The_TaxmanThe_Taxman Posts: 2,979
    edited June 2019

    Anyone see any design flaws with this?

    https://twitter.com/cnni/status/1136634362194210816?s=21

    Access is the obvious one: and they've thought of it:

    ""We faced some quite major technical challenges to this building, the biggest one being how to actually get into the pool," said Compass Pool's swimming pool designer and technical director Alex Kemsley in an interview on the company's website.
    "The solution is based on the door of a submarine, coupled with a rotating spiral staircase which rises from the pool floor when someone wants to get in or out -- the absolute cutting edge of swimming pool and building design and a little bit James Bond to boot!""

    I can't really see such a mechanism working in the medium- or long-term though.

    I can see other complexities (e.g. how to stop it overflowing, how to fill it up etc), but I assume infinity pools already have those sussed.
    It might well get a lot of bird shit and water born disease festering in it up at the top. It must be nice to have so much cash to burn...
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    franklynfranklyn Posts: 297
    Peterborough by election:
    Look out for the shy Official Monster Raving Loony vote.
    If, as I hope, the Monsters beat the Conservatives, that really will be the end, as it was for the SDP
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    Ishmael_ZIshmael_Z Posts: 8,981

    Ishmael_Z said:

    When should we expect the result?

    They *forecast* (or the graun forecasted for them) 2 a.m. in 2017.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/jun/08/what-time-does-each-constituency-declare-its-results-in-the-2017-general-election

    Can't find actual timing.
    Would the timing for a by-election match the timing for a GE?

    Were there local elections there in 2017?
    I don't see that they would be any different, unless they voluntarily staggered things on a GE night (which I doubt).
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    nichomarnichomar Posts: 7,483
    HYUFD said:

    GIN1138 said:

    HYUFD said:

    Mirror interviews with voters in Peterborough, every one voting Brexit Party having previously voted Labour or Tory before apart from 1 Remainer still deciding between the LDs and Labour

    https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/meet-voters-peterborough-brexit-party-16260678

    Brexit Party landslide on the way? :open_mouth:
    If the Brexit Party don’t win by at least 10,000 votes then they are doomed.
    If the Brexit Party win Peterborough they are heading for over 200 MPs on UNS
    Yeh with only one policy and a blank cheque to faridge I doubt it
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    Ishmael_ZIshmael_Z Posts: 8,981

    Anyone see any design flaws with this?

    https://twitter.com/cnni/status/1136634362194210816?s=21

    Involuntary defecation would be an issue.
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    logical_song said:
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    rpjs said:
    O/T but about betting. I am here for the political comment and gossip, and am not normally a gambler. However last night I dreamt a very specific future sport result (Croatia to beat Brazil 7 - 2 to win the 2020 World Cup(!), if anyone's interested) and I am tempted to make a small flutter. I am resident in the US which doesn't like sport betting online (except for from NJ currently, and I have standards). I do have UK-issued debit/credit cards but these are associated with my US address.

    Can any other PB expats recommend a UK or other online betting site that will take a UK card that has a non-UK billing address? I have a VPN that can give me a UK IP address.

    A UKIP address????
    United Kingdom-located Internet Protocol address for the pedantic.

    I am based in the US and have UK bank accounts also. I bet using a Sky Bet account in the browser with the Nord VPN enabled. All works fine
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    SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 20,578

    Britain Elects


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    Labour MPs campaigning in #Peterborough today have remarked that it's too close to call between themselves and the Brexit Party.

    They would say that. They want to get more voters to the polling station in the last 2 hours.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 116,935
    edited June 2019

    HYUFD said:

    GIN1138 said:

    HYUFD said:

    Mirror interviews with voters in Peterborough, every one voting Brexit Party having previously voted Labour or Tory before apart from 1 Remainer still deciding between the LDs and Labour

    https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/meet-voters-peterborough-brexit-party-16260678

    Brexit Party landslide on the way? :open_mouth:
    If the Brexit Party don’t win by at least 10,000 votes then they are doomed.
    If the Brexit Party win Peterborough they are heading for over 200 MPs on UNS
    In November 2014 UKIP won the Rochester by election by nearly 3,000 votes, a few months later they lost the seat by 7,000 votes.

    By election swings/results are seldom replicated at subsequent general elections.
    UKIP never led a Westminster poll though as the Brexit Party have now done already with Opinium.

    Medway also had a slightly bigger Leave vote than Peterborough 64% to 60%
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    algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 10,491
    edited June 2019

    Steve McFadden is capturing my feelings in this incredible work of art. A brilliant article too. What a shitshow it all is. How will we explain any of this to our grandchildren?
    Explain to grandchildren? Simple. This is the sort of mess you get in when you try to deal with sovereignty issues by stealth for 40 years and then ask the sovereignty question without being prepared for both of only two answers.

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    bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 21,817

    Britain Elects


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    Labour MPs campaigning in #Peterborough today have remarked that it's too close to call between themselves and the Brexit Party.

    They would say that. They want to get more voters to the polling station in the last 2 hours.
    Maybe so but 1/5 vs 4.7/1 on Betfair
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    Black_RookBlack_Rook Posts: 8,905

    HYUFD said:

    GIN1138 said:

    HYUFD said:

    Mirror interviews with voters in Peterborough, every one voting Brexit Party having previously voted Labour or Tory before apart from 1 Remainer still deciding between the LDs and Labour

    https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/meet-voters-peterborough-brexit-party-16260678

    Brexit Party landslide on the way? :open_mouth:
    If the Brexit Party don’t win by at least 10,000 votes then they are doomed.
    If the Brexit Party win Peterborough they are heading for over 200 MPs on UNS
    In November 2014 UKIP won the Rochester by election by nearly 3,000 votes, a few months later they lost the seat by 7,000 votes.

    By election swings/results are seldom replicated at subsequent general elections.
    Quite. See also: failure of the Christchurch and Newbury by-elections to result in the Lib Dem conquest of Southern England in 1997.

    As an aside, thanks to the wonder of Wikipedia I discovered that there were no less than 18 by-elections during the 1992-97 Parliament, 16 of which were triggered by the death of the incumbent. One imagines that the average MP is rather younger and fitter than those of previous generations.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 116,935
    edited June 2019

    Britain Elects


    @britainelects
    2m2 minutes ago
    More
    Labour MPs campaigning in #Peterborough today have remarked that it's too close to call between themselves and the Brexit Party.

    They would say that. They want to get more voters to the polling station in the last 2 hours.
    I told voters it was 'too close to call' in Ilford North on election day in 2017, Labour won by almost 10,000 votes.

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    RecidivistRecidivist Posts: 4,679

    nico67 said:

    If Labour do lose Peterborough it won’t be because they didn’t try and get their vote out .

    Looks like a huge GOTV operation , activists being bussed in from all around the country.

    Yes, it's been a while since we read people saying that all those new Labour members just sat around hammering keyboards. The membership remains as feisty as ever. I don't think it's going to be quite enough, but I wish I could have been there today.
    Ironically (check with Jeremy that I'm using the word correctly) Momentum groups appear to have picked up the "come to Peterborough with us, organise a lift, etc etc" game almost simultaneously with the revelations of the Labour candidate's woeful track record on anti-Jewish racism.
    Really? Turning out to help the party they support in a by election is now evidence of anti-semitism?
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    kinabalukinabalu Posts: 39,079
    kjohnw said:

    Any rumours coming out of Peterborough?

    I'm hearing Labour win. However I am not sure where the voices are coming from. Might be Peterborough but I couldn't swear to it.

    Market still calling it clearly for the BP.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 116,935
    edited June 2019
    kinabalu said:

    kjohnw said:

    Any rumours coming out of Peterborough?

    I'm hearing Labour win. However I am not sure where the voices are coming from. Might be Peterborough but I couldn't swear to it.

    Market still calling it clearly for the BP.
    Until 10pm and the first ballots come out it is all rumour, all you can guess is turnout
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 116,935

    HYUFD said:

    GIN1138 said:

    HYUFD said:

    Mirror interviews with voters in Peterborough, every one voting Brexit Party having previously voted Labour or Tory before apart from 1 Remainer still deciding between the LDs and Labour

    https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/meet-voters-peterborough-brexit-party-16260678

    Brexit Party landslide on the way? :open_mouth:
    If the Brexit Party don’t win by at least 10,000 votes then they are doomed.
    If the Brexit Party win Peterborough they are heading for over 200 MPs on UNS
    In November 2014 UKIP won the Rochester by election by nearly 3,000 votes, a few months later they lost the seat by 7,000 votes.

    By election swings/results are seldom replicated at subsequent general elections.
    Quite. See also: failure of the Christchurch and Newbury by-elections to result in the Lib Dem conquest of Southern England in 1997.

    As an aside, thanks to the wonder of Wikipedia I discovered that there were no less than 18 by-elections during the 1992-97 Parliament, 16 of which were triggered by the death of the incumbent. One imagines that the average MP is rather younger and fitter than those of previous generations.
    The LDs did hold Newbury in 1997 though
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    mattmatt Posts: 3,789

    Anyone see any design flaws with this?

    https://twitter.com/cnni/status/1136634362194210816?s=21

    It looks completely terrifying?
    Have a look at the pool at the Indigo in HK. Great views....
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    felixfelix Posts: 15,124
    edited June 2019

    nico67 said:

    If Labour do lose Peterborough it won’t be because they didn’t try and get their vote out .

    Looks like a huge GOTV operation , activists being bussed in from all around the country.

    Yes, it's been a while since we read people saying that all those new Labour members just sat around hammering keyboards. The membership remains as feisty as ever. I don't think it's going to be quite enough, but I wish I could have been there today.
    Ironically (check with Jeremy that I'm using the word correctly) Momentum groups appear to have picked up the "come to Peterborough with us, organise a lift, etc etc" game almost simultaneously with the revelations of the Labour candidate's woeful track record on anti-Jewish racism.
    Really? Turning out to help the party they support in a by election is now evidence of anti-semitism?
    When the candidate is an anti-semite that would be yes.
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    RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 27,160
    kinabalu said:

    kjohnw said:

    Any rumours coming out of Peterborough?

    I'm hearing Labour win. However I am not sure where the voices are coming from. Might be Peterborough but I couldn't swear to it.

    Market still calling it clearly for the BP.
    Hearing it from whom. From the Labour team on the ground? I felt positive about the local elections having been on the doors and found that our data was solid and Labour pledges still said they were Labour.

    They didn't turn out and vote of course...
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,248
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    GIN1138 said:

    HYUFD said:

    Mirror interviews with voters in Peterborough, every one voting Brexit Party having previously voted Labour or Tory before apart from 1 Remainer still deciding between the LDs and Labour

    https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/meet-voters-peterborough-brexit-party-16260678

    Brexit Party landslide on the way? :open_mouth:
    If the Brexit Party don’t win by at least 10,000 votes then they are doomed.
    If the Brexit Party win Peterborough they are heading for over 200 MPs on UNS
    In November 2014 UKIP won the Rochester by election by nearly 3,000 votes, a few months later they lost the seat by 7,000 votes.

    By election swings/results are seldom replicated at subsequent general elections.
    UKIP never led a Westminster poll though as the Brexit Party have now done already with Opinium.

    Medway also had a slightly bigger Leave vote than Peterborough 64% to 60%
    I've also lived through the Cleggam when the Lib Dems led in the polls and they ended up making a net loss of seats a few weeks later.
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    Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 25,299

    Anyone see any design flaws with this?

    https://twitter.com/cnni/status/1136634362194210816?s=21

    Access is the obvious one: and they've thought of it:

    ""We faced some quite major technical challenges to this building, the biggest one being how to actually get into the pool," said Compass Pool's swimming pool designer and technical director Alex Kemsley in an interview on the company's website.
    "The solution is based on the door of a submarine, coupled with a rotating spiral staircase which rises from the pool floor when someone wants to get in or out -- the absolute cutting edge of swimming pool and building design and a little bit James Bond to boot!""

    I can't really see such a mechanism working in the medium- or long-term though.

    I can see other complexities (e.g. how to stop it overflowing, how to fill it up etc), but I assume infinity pools already have those sussed.
    I think it's a hoax. Infinity pools overflow into a drain with a wall that's lower than the pool edge, which is what provides the effect.
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    kinabalukinabalu Posts: 39,079
    Charles said:

    Although Atticus Finch would be a really shit PM

    Preferable to Mussolini surely?
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,248
    edited June 2019

    HYUFD said:

    GIN1138 said:

    HYUFD said:

    Mirror interviews with voters in Peterborough, every one voting Brexit Party having previously voted Labour or Tory before apart from 1 Remainer still deciding between the LDs and Labour

    https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/meet-voters-peterborough-brexit-party-16260678

    Brexit Party landslide on the way? :open_mouth:
    If the Brexit Party don’t win by at least 10,000 votes then they are doomed.
    If the Brexit Party win Peterborough they are heading for over 200 MPs on UNS
    In November 2014 UKIP won the Rochester by election by nearly 3,000 votes, a few months later they lost the seat by 7,000 votes.

    By election swings/results are seldom replicated at subsequent general elections.
    Quite. See also: failure of the Christchurch and Newbury by-elections to result in the Lib Dem conquest of Southern England in 1997.

    As an aside, thanks to the wonder of Wikipedia I discovered that there were no less than 18 by-elections during the 1992-97 Parliament, 16 of which were triggered by the death of the incumbent. One imagines that the average MP is rather younger and fitter than those of previous generations.
    The Tories in particular have made a real effort to get older MPs to stand down since 2001, that's helped.

    In the last 19 years only one Tory MP has died in office, and that was 13 years ago.
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,609

    HYUFD said:

    GIN1138 said:

    HYUFD said:

    Mirror interviews with voters in Peterborough, every one voting Brexit Party having previously voted Labour or Tory before apart from 1 Remainer still deciding between the LDs and Labour

    https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/meet-voters-peterborough-brexit-party-16260678

    Brexit Party landslide on the way? :open_mouth:
    If the Brexit Party don’t win by at least 10,000 votes then they are doomed.
    If the Brexit Party win Peterborough they are heading for over 200 MPs on UNS
    In November 2014 UKIP won the Rochester by election by nearly 3,000 votes, a few months later they lost the seat by 7,000 votes.

    By election swings/results are seldom replicated at subsequent general elections.
    Quite. See also: failure of the Christchurch and Newbury by-elections to result in the Lib Dem conquest of Southern England in 1997.

    As an aside, thanks to the wonder of Wikipedia I discovered that there were no less than 18 by-elections during the 1992-97 Parliament, 16 of which were triggered by the death of the incumbent. One imagines that the average MP is rather younger and fitter than those of previous generations.
    The Tories in particular have made a real effort to get older MPs to stand down since 2001 onwards, that's helped.

    In the last 19 years only one Tory MP has died in office, and that was 13 years ago.
    The key is to have younger MPs who go in already with fossilised opinions, so they don't need to turn into fossils.
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    MarkHopkinsMarkHopkins Posts: 5,584
    Floater said:
    Yes, but once it became LD funds it was purified by their wholesomeness and was therefore no longer dodgy.

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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 116,935
    edited June 2019

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    GIN1138 said:

    HYUFD said:

    Mirror interviews with voters in Peterborough, every one voting Brexit Party having previously voted Labour or Tory before apart from 1 Remainer still deciding between the LDs and Labour

    https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/meet-voters-peterborough-brexit-party-16260678

    Brexit Party landslide on the way? :open_mouth:
    If the Brexit Party don’t win by at least 10,000 votes then they are doomed.
    If the Brexit Party win Peterborough they are heading for over 200 MPs on UNS
    In November 2014 UKIP won the Rochester by election by nearly 3,000 votes, a few months later they lost the seat by 7,000 votes.

    By election swings/results are seldom replicated at subsequent general elections.
    UKIP never led a Westminster poll though as the Brexit Party have now done already with Opinium.

    Medway also had a slightly bigger Leave vote than Peterborough 64% to 60%
    I've also lived through the Cleggam when the Lib Dems led in the polls and they ended up making a net loss of seats a few weeks later.
    Clegg's LDs still got 23% in 2010, their highest voteshare since the Alliance in 1983 and 57 seats and ended up in Government
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    rpjsrpjs Posts: 3,787

    logical_song said:
    « hide previous quotes
    rpjs said:
    O/T but about betting. I am here for the political comment and gossip, and am not normally a gambler. However last night I dreamt a very specific future sport result (Croatia to beat Brazil 7 - 2 to win the 2020 World Cup(!), if anyone's interested) and I am tempted to make a small flutter. I am resident in the US which doesn't like sport betting online (except for from NJ currently, and I have standards). I do have UK-issued debit/credit cards but these are associated with my US address.

    Can any other PB expats recommend a UK or other online betting site that will take a UK card that has a non-UK billing address? I have a VPN that can give me a UK IP address.

    A UKIP address????
    United Kingdom-located Internet Protocol address for the pedantic.

    I am based in the US and have UK bank accounts also. I bet using a Sky Bet account in the browser with the Nord VPN enabled. All works fine

    Cheers!
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    kinabalukinabalu Posts: 39,079

    Access is the obvious one: and they've thought of it:

    ""We faced some quite major technical challenges to this building, the biggest one being how to actually get into the pool," said Compass Pool's swimming pool designer and technical director Alex Kemsley in an interview on the company's website.
    "The solution is based on the door of a submarine, coupled with a rotating spiral staircase which rises from the pool floor when someone wants to get in or out -- the absolute cutting edge of swimming pool and building design and a little bit James Bond to boot!""

    I can't really see such a mechanism working in the medium- or long-term though.

    I can see other complexities (e.g. how to stop it overflowing, how to fill it up etc), but I assume infinity pools already have those sussed.

    Based on a submarine? Perhaps I'm only saying this because I'm claustrophobic, but that sounds HORRIBLY claustrophobic!

    Going to give that a miss, I think. Stick to the Hampstead Ponds. You can go naked in there if you feel like it.
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    RecidivistRecidivist Posts: 4,679

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    Labour MPs campaigning in #Peterborough today have remarked that it's too close to call between themselves and the Brexit Party.

    And just what would you say in their position? The polling stations are still open.
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    MarkHopkinsMarkHopkins Posts: 5,584

    Anyone see any design flaws with this?

    https://twitter.com/cnni/status/1136634362194210816?s=21

    Access is the obvious one: and they've thought of it:

    ""We faced some quite major technical challenges to this building, the biggest one being how to actually get into the pool," said Compass Pool's swimming pool designer and technical director Alex Kemsley in an interview on the company's website.
    "The solution is based on the door of a submarine, coupled with a rotating spiral staircase which rises from the pool floor when someone wants to get in or out -- the absolute cutting edge of swimming pool and building design and a little bit James Bond to boot!""

    I can't really see such a mechanism working in the medium- or long-term though.

    I can see other complexities (e.g. how to stop it overflowing, how to fill it up etc), but I assume infinity pools already have those sussed.
    I think it's a hoax. Infinity pools overflow into a drain with a wall that's lower than the pool edge, which is what provides the effect.

    Who needs a drain when the water can just fall off the building.

    People below will just think it's rain.

    It is London.

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    Black_RookBlack_Rook Posts: 8,905
    matt said:

    Anyone see any design flaws with this?

    https://twitter.com/cnni/status/1136634362194210816?s=21

    It looks completely terrifying?
    Have a look at the pool at the Indigo in HK. Great views....
    Oh God, I feel a bit queasy...
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    The_TaxmanThe_Taxman Posts: 2,979
    edited June 2019

    HYUFD said:

    GIN1138 said:

    HYUFD said:

    Mirror interviews with voters in Peterborough, every one voting Brexit Party having previously voted Labour or Tory before apart from 1 Remainer still deciding between the LDs and Labour

    https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/meet-voters-peterborough-brexit-party-16260678

    Brexit Party landslide on the way? :open_mouth:
    If the Brexit Party don’t win by at least 10,000 votes then they are doomed.
    If the Brexit Party win Peterborough they are heading for over 200 MPs on UNS
    In November 2014 UKIP won the Rochester by election by nearly 3,000 votes, a few months later they lost the seat by 7,000 votes.

    By election swings/results are seldom replicated at subsequent general elections.
    Quite. See also: failure of the Christchurch and Newbury by-elections to result in the Lib Dem conquest of Southern England in 1997.

    As an aside, thanks to the wonder of Wikipedia I discovered that there were no less than 18 by-elections during the 1992-97 Parliament, 16 of which were triggered by the death of the incumbent. One imagines that the average MP is rather younger and fitter than those of previous generations.
    IIRC the death of Judith Chaplin that triggered the Newbury by-election was as a result of complications after routine surgery. The other by-election that stands out was caused by the untimely death of Stephen Milligan, the intrigue into his death remains to this date. The Eastleigh by-election was another epic LD win of course. The other Tory deaths which notable which were older parliamentarians such as Robert Adley (Christchurch) or Geoffrey Dickens (Littleborough and Saddleworth). There were some deaths toward the end of the parliament but the die was cast by that stage and Labour were streets ahead.
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    kjohnwkjohnw Posts: 1,456

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    Labour MPs campaigning in #Peterborough today have remarked that it's too close to call between themselves and the Brexit Party.

    Well known tactic for parties campaigning on polling day to GOTV
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    kjohnwkjohnw Posts: 1,456

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    Labour MPs campaigning in #Peterborough today have remarked that it's too close to call between themselves and the Brexit Party.

    And just what would you say in their position? The polling stations are still open.
    Let’s see what they are saying at 11pm
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    kjohnwkjohnw Posts: 1,456

    kinabalu said:

    kjohnw said:

    Any rumours coming out of Peterborough?

    I'm hearing Labour win. However I am not sure where the voices are coming from. Might be Peterborough but I couldn't swear to it.

    Market still calling it clearly for the BP.
    Hearing it from whom. From the Labour team on the ground? I felt positive about the local elections having been on the doors and found that our data was solid and Labour pledges still said they were Labour.

    They didn't turn out and vote of course...
    What’s your gut feeling on tonight Mr Rochdale?
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,248
    Mind you has John Stones been linked with Manchester United?

    https://twitter.com/Ladbrokes/status/1136719098136735746
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    The_TaxmanThe_Taxman Posts: 2,979
    kjohnw said:

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    Labour MPs campaigning in #Peterborough today have remarked that it's too close to call between themselves and the Brexit Party.

    Well known tactic for parties campaigning on polling day to GOTV
    On the Daily Mail website Nigel Farage is pictured getting shit faced in a Peterborough pub. So either he expects to win hands down or he is not going to do very well. Bad form taking the voters for granted either way...
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    RogerRoger Posts: 18,891
    franklyn said:

    Peterborough by election:
    Look out for the shy Official Monster Raving Loony vote.
    If, as I hope, the Monsters beat the Conservatives, that really will be the end, as it was for the SDP

    hard for the voters to tell them apart
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    RecidivistRecidivist Posts: 4,679
    felix said:

    nico67 said:

    If Labour do lose Peterborough it won’t be because they didn’t try and get their vote out .

    Looks like a huge GOTV operation , activists being bussed in from all around the country.

    Yes, it's been a while since we read people saying that all those new Labour members just sat around hammering keyboards. The membership remains as feisty as ever. I don't think it's going to be quite enough, but I wish I could have been there today.
    Ironically (check with Jeremy that I'm using the word correctly) Momentum groups appear to have picked up the "come to Peterborough with us, organise a lift, etc etc" game almost simultaneously with the revelations of the Labour candidate's woeful track record on anti-Jewish racism.
    Really? Turning out to help the party they support in a by election is now evidence of anti-semitism?
    When the candidate is an anti-semite that would be yes.
    I think throwing serious accusations like that around on flimsy evidence is not just irresponsible, but doesn't really show much respect for the victims of antisemitism over the centuries.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 116,935
    'When Piers met the President' on ITV now
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    The_TaxmanThe_Taxman Posts: 2,979
    Scott_P said:
    I wouldn't say it is taking away control but having no control.
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    rpjsrpjs Posts: 3,787
    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jun/06/uk-official-in-charge-of-brexit-border-plans-resigns

    "The government official in charge of delivering Brexit border arrangements, including emergency plans for Dover and Ireland in the event of no deal, has quit just two years into her job.

    "Karen Wheeler, the director general of Her Majesty’s Revenue & Customs Brexit border delivery group, was the lead official co-ordinating a cross-Whitehall response involving police, ports, customs and freight interests."
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    kjohnwkjohnw Posts: 1,456

    kjohnw said:

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    Labour MPs campaigning in #Peterborough today have remarked that it's too close to call between themselves and the Brexit Party.

    Well known tactic for parties campaigning on polling day to GOTV
    On the Daily Mail website Nigel Farage is pictured getting shit faced in a Peterborough pub. So either he expects to win hands down or he is not going to do very well. Bad form taking the voters for granted either way...
    I don’t think holding a pint in his hand can be described as getting shit faced
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    RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 27,160
    kjohnw said:

    kinabalu said:

    kjohnw said:

    Any rumours coming out of Peterborough?

    I'm hearing Labour win. However I am not sure where the voices are coming from. Might be Peterborough but I couldn't swear to it.

    Market still calling it clearly for the BP.
    Hearing it from whom. From the Labour team on the ground? I felt positive about the local elections having been on the doors and found that our data was solid and Labour pledges still said they were Labour.

    They didn't turn out and vote of course...
    What’s your gut feeling on tonight Mr Rochdale?
    Brexit win, LibDems 2nd, Labour 3rd, Cons 4th
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    Scrapheap_as_wasScrapheap_as_was Posts: 10,059
    HYUFD said:

    'When Piers met the President' on ITV now

    Ooh, I think I'd rather watch the Liverpool victory parade.... will have to miss it.
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    Ishmael_ZIshmael_Z Posts: 8,981

    felix said:

    nico67 said:

    If Labour do lose Peterborough it won’t be because they didn’t try and get their vote out .

    Looks like a huge GOTV operation , activists being bussed in from all around the country.

    Yes, it's been a while since we read people saying that all those new Labour members just sat around hammering keyboards. The membership remains as feisty as ever. I don't think it's going to be quite enough, but I wish I could have been there today.
    Ironically (check with Jeremy that I'm using the word correctly) Momentum groups appear to have picked up the "come to Peterborough with us, organise a lift, etc etc" game almost simultaneously with the revelations of the Labour candidate's woeful track record on anti-Jewish racism.
    Really? Turning out to help the party they support in a by election is now evidence of anti-semitism?
    When the candidate is an anti-semite that would be yes.
    I think throwing serious accusations like that around on flimsy evidence is not just irresponsible, but doesn't really show much respect for the victims of antisemitism over the centuries.
    Pass the sick bag.
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    GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 19,077

    kjohnw said:

    kinabalu said:

    kjohnw said:

    Any rumours coming out of Peterborough?

    I'm hearing Labour win. However I am not sure where the voices are coming from. Might be Peterborough but I couldn't swear to it.

    Market still calling it clearly for the BP.
    Hearing it from whom. From the Labour team on the ground? I felt positive about the local elections having been on the doors and found that our data was solid and Labour pledges still said they were Labour.

    They didn't turn out and vote of course...
    What’s your gut feeling on tonight Mr Rochdale?
    Brexit win, LibDems 2nd, Labour 3rd, Cons 4th
    Expectations management? :)
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    kjohnwkjohnw Posts: 1,456

    kjohnw said:

    kinabalu said:

    kjohnw said:

    Any rumours coming out of Peterborough?

    I'm hearing Labour win. However I am not sure where the voices are coming from. Might be Peterborough but I couldn't swear to it.

    Market still calling it clearly for the BP.
    Hearing it from whom. From the Labour team on the ground? I felt positive about the local elections having been on the doors and found that our data was solid and Labour pledges still said they were Labour.

    They didn't turn out and vote of course...
    What’s your gut feeling on tonight Mr Rochdale?
    Brexit win, LibDems 2nd, Labour 3rd, Cons 4th
    I think your probably right there , but the question is if this is how it plays out will Corbyn then be forced out?
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    Scrapheap_as_wasScrapheap_as_was Posts: 10,059

    Mind you has John Stones been linked with Manchester United?

    https://twitter.com/Ladbrokes/status/1136719098136735746

    I preferred this on the bbc website

    Dan: De Ligt looking like a ready made replacement for Phil Jones
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,248

    HYUFD said:

    'When Piers met the President' on ITV now

    Ooh, I think I'd rather watch the Liverpool victory parade.... will have to miss it.
    Here's all four hours and fifteen minutes of it.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T4v3zQj8ZkI
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    Ishmael_ZIshmael_Z Posts: 8,981
    kjohnw said:

    kjohnw said:

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    @britainelects
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    Labour MPs campaigning in #Peterborough today have remarked that it's too close to call between themselves and the Brexit Party.

    Well known tactic for parties campaigning on polling day to GOTV
    On the Daily Mail website Nigel Farage is pictured getting shit faced in a Peterborough pub. So either he expects to win hands down or he is not going to do very well. Bad form taking the voters for granted either way...
    I don’t think holding a pint in his hand can be described as getting shit faced
    I would be non-amazed to learn that he is a very moderate drinker. The pint is kinda like Wilson's pipe.
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,248

    Mind you has John Stones been linked with Manchester United?

    https://twitter.com/Ladbrokes/status/1136719098136735746

    I preferred this on the bbc website

    Dan: De Ligt looking like a ready made replacement for Phil Jones
    Hah
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    TudorRoseTudorRose Posts: 1,662
    kjohnw said:

    kjohnw said:

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    Labour MPs campaigning in #Peterborough today have remarked that it's too close to call between themselves and the Brexit Party.

    Well known tactic for parties campaigning on polling day to GOTV
    On the Daily Mail website Nigel Farage is pictured getting shit faced in a Peterborough pub. So either he expects to win hands down or he is not going to do very well. Bad form taking the voters for granted either way...
    I don’t think holding a pint in his hand can be described as getting shit faced
    And isn't it the most likely to place to meet voters on election night?
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    JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 38,879
    kinabalu said:

    Access is the obvious one: and they've thought of it:

    ""We faced some quite major technical challenges to this building, the biggest one being how to actually get into the pool," said Compass Pool's swimming pool designer and technical director Alex Kemsley in an interview on the company's website.
    "The solution is based on the door of a submarine, coupled with a rotating spiral staircase which rises from the pool floor when someone wants to get in or out -- the absolute cutting edge of swimming pool and building design and a little bit James Bond to boot!""

    I can't really see such a mechanism working in the medium- or long-term though.

    I can see other complexities (e.g. how to stop it overflowing, how to fill it up etc), but I assume infinity pools already have those sussed.

    Based on a submarine? Perhaps I'm only saying this because I'm claustrophobic, but that sounds HORRIBLY claustrophobic!

    (Snip).
    Perhaps it's the description, bit I can't really visualise how it would work. And sealing it would problematic. But IANAE.
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    stodgestodge Posts: 12,817
    Evening all :)

    With the excitement in Denmark behind us, some interesting polling from countries due south.

    First, an Infomap poll in Germany puts the Greens on 26% just ahead of the CDU/CSU on 25% with AfD on 13% and the SPD at a woeful 12%. Their new leadership will need to start turning things round quickly. The last time the SPD was fourth in a national election was 1907 but a lot has happened in Germany since then. To compare, a Forschunggruppe poll has the Union on 27% with the Greens on 26% and the AfD and SPD level on 13% so not a lot of difference.

    Further south still into Austria and the latest poll shows the fragmentation of the three party system into something more interesting. The People's Party has a big lead with 37% with the SPD on 21% and Freedom on 20% but both NEOS and the Greens are on 10% which, as I've argued before, makes a People's Party-NEOS coalition for Kurz if he wins well in September.

    Obviously on these numbers he could choose to govern alone and it might be welcome for him to have options which don't include either the SPD or Freedom.
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    The_TaxmanThe_Taxman Posts: 2,979
    kjohnw said:

    kjohnw said:

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    Labour MPs campaigning in #Peterborough today have remarked that it's too close to call between themselves and the Brexit Party.

    Well known tactic for parties campaigning on polling day to GOTV
    On the Daily Mail website Nigel Farage is pictured getting shit faced in a Peterborough pub. So either he expects to win hands down or he is not going to do very well. Bad form taking the voters for granted either way...
    I don’t think holding a pint in his hand can be described as getting shit faced

    He looks as though he has had a few, I have spent much time in the past in the company of heavy drinkers and they look at pints like that when they have had a few (usually too many). He cultivates an image as a heavy drinker anyway, so nobody has room to complain when he his alcohol consumption is questioned.
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,248
    Ishmael_Z said:

    kjohnw said:

    kjohnw said:

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    Labour MPs campaigning in #Peterborough today have remarked that it's too close to call between themselves and the Brexit Party.

    Well known tactic for parties campaigning on polling day to GOTV
    On the Daily Mail website Nigel Farage is pictured getting shit faced in a Peterborough pub. So either he expects to win hands down or he is not going to do very well. Bad form taking the voters for granted either way...
    I don’t think holding a pint in his hand can be described as getting shit faced
    I would be non-amazed to learn that he is a very moderate drinker. The pint is kinda like Wilson's pipe.
    I had heard Nige prefers champagne and cognac but that doesn't fit in with man of the plebs shtick.
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,609
    edited June 2019
    Total guess

    BXP 35%
    Labour 25%
    LDs 22%
    Tories 10%
    Green 4%

    Though I would not be surprised if it was a bit close between first and second, though I do expect BXP to win.
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    AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    Ishmael_Z said:

    kjohnw said:

    kjohnw said:

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    Labour MPs campaigning in #Peterborough today have remarked that it's too close to call between themselves and the Brexit Party.

    Well known tactic for parties campaigning on polling day to GOTV
    On the Daily Mail website Nigel Farage is pictured getting shit faced in a Peterborough pub. So either he expects to win hands down or he is not going to do very well. Bad form taking the voters for granted either way...
    I don’t think holding a pint in his hand can be described as getting shit faced
    I would be non-amazed to learn that he is a very moderate drinker. The pint is kinda like Wilson's pipe.
    He is not a moderate drinker:

    https://www.ft.com/content/864c3a96-fbf1-11e5-b5f5-070dca6d0a0d
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    Ishmael_ZIshmael_Z Posts: 8,981

    Ishmael_Z said:

    kjohnw said:

    kjohnw said:

    Britain Elects


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    2m2 minutes ago
    More
    Labour MPs campaigning in #Peterborough today have remarked that it's too close to call between themselves and the Brexit Party.

    Well known tactic for parties campaigning on polling day to GOTV
    On the Daily Mail website Nigel Farage is pictured getting shit faced in a Peterborough pub. So either he expects to win hands down or he is not going to do very well. Bad form taking the voters for granted either way...
    I don’t think holding a pint in his hand can be described as getting shit faced
    I would be non-amazed to learn that he is a very moderate drinker. The pint is kinda like Wilson's pipe.
    I had heard Nige prefers champagne and cognac but that doesn't fit in with man of the plebs shtick.
    Yup. Just as Wilson much preferred cigars.
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    MikeSmithsonMikeSmithson Posts: 7,382
    LAB is strong in Peterborough because it has good voter data after winning the seat at GE2017. Farage's party hasn't got that sort of election machine.

    I'm hearing that LAB running close
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,897

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    GIN1138 said:

    HYUFD said:

    Mirror interviews with voters in Peterborough, every one voting Brexit Party having previously voted Labour or Tory before apart from 1 Remainer still deciding between the LDs and Labour

    https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/meet-voters-peterborough-brexit-party-16260678

    Brexit Party landslide on the way? :open_mouth:
    If the Brexit Party don’t win by at least 10,000 votes then they are doomed.
    If the Brexit Party win Peterborough they are heading for over 200 MPs on UNS
    In November 2014 UKIP won the Rochester by election by nearly 3,000 votes, a few months later they lost the seat by 7,000 votes.

    By election swings/results are seldom replicated at subsequent general elections.
    UKIP never led a Westminster poll though as the Brexit Party have now done already with Opinium.

    Medway also had a slightly bigger Leave vote than Peterborough 64% to 60%
    I've also lived through the Cleggam when the Lib Dems led in the polls and they ended up making a net loss of seats a few weeks later.
    An accurate poll would have shown Clegg on 24% in 2010, up a point from last time (rounded).
    The polls did slightly overstate him but on a % basis he did fine. Similiarly Miliband achieved a 0.3% swing toward Labour from the Tories in 2015.
    But the narrative is not based on %s in isolation in the final poll, it's so crucial in our system where those votes are and also the split between other parties.
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,609
    I hadn't noticed that the Labour candidate came close to winning the seat in 2015, yet Onasanya was chosen to fight the seat ahead of them in 2017. Given they have been described as a Corbynite earlier, I wonder why Onasanya got the nod ahead of them.
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    JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 38,879

    Anyone see any design flaws with this?

    https://twitter.com/cnni/status/1136634362194210816?s=21

    Access is the obvious one: and they've thought of it:

    ""We faced some quite major technical challenges to this building, the biggest one being how to actually get into the pool," said Compass Pool's swimming pool designer and technical director Alex Kemsley in an interview on the company's website.
    "The solution is based on the door of a submarine, coupled with a rotating spiral staircase which rises from the pool floor when someone wants to get in or out -- the absolute cutting edge of swimming pool and building design and a little bit James Bond to boot!""

    I can't really see such a mechanism working in the medium- or long-term though.

    I can see other complexities (e.g. how to stop it overflowing, how to fill it up etc), but I assume infinity pools already have those sussed.
    I think it's a hoax. Infinity pools overflow into a drain with a wall that's lower than the pool edge, which is what provides the effect.
    Thanks.
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    kinabalukinabalu Posts: 39,079
    'Stewed Cheese" ... ???
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    Black_RookBlack_Rook Posts: 8,905

    LAB is strong in Peterborough because it has good voter data after winning the seat at GE2017. Farage's party hasn't got that sort of election machine.

    I'm hearing that LAB running close

    On the Labour front, it is variously reported that their GOTV operation and local data are strong, and that a large proportion of their likely voters are staying at home or turning out for other parties. It rather depends on whom one listens to.

    Ultimately, I don't know how much notice we ought to take of any of these reports, given that none of the sources for them has the foggiest as to which parties all the voters who turned out, or a representative sample thereof, actually voted for. One would imagine that the first realistic estimates of the result will only come a couple of hours before the declaration, once people have had a chance to see where the first few thousand votes to be counted have started to stack up.
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    JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 38,879
    edited June 2019
    I have absolutely no idea how Peterborough's going to go aside from gut instinct. The Brexit Party have momentum (but not Momentum), so I find it hard to see past them.

    It'll be interesting to see how a single Brexit Party MP does.
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    SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 20,578

    LAB is strong in Peterborough because it has good voter data after winning the seat at GE2017. Farage's party hasn't got that sort of election machine.

    I'm hearing that LAB running close

    'Running close' is an admission of defeat.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,897
    Labour often has an uncanny ability to dig voters out the ground in by-elections. Noone saw the absolute scale of their win coming in Oldham West & Royton a few years back.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,897

    I have absolutely no idea how Peterborough's going to go aside from gut instinct. The Brexit Party have momentum (but not Momentum), so I find it hard to see past them.

    It'll be interesting to see how a single Brexit Party MP does.

    If in doubt, head through the same lobbies as Kate Hoey ?
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,609

    LAB is strong in Peterborough because it has good voter data after winning the seat at GE2017. Farage's party hasn't got that sort of election machine.

    I'm hearing that LAB running close

    'Running close' is an admission of defeat.
    I feel confident people could find examples of parties saying it was close, when they win comfortably. Not saying Labour have done that, but it seems like a stock phrase, which we cannot really infer much of use.
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    IanB2IanB2 Posts: 47,212

    LAB is strong in Peterborough because it has good voter data after winning the seat at GE2017. Farage's party hasn't got that sort of election machine.

    I'm hearing that LAB running close

    Old data is next to useless in the current political climate. The question is whether they have done enough door knocking to get new data.
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