> @TheScreamingEagles said: > > @kle4 said: > > > https://twitter.com/BethRigby/status/1133110020202278914 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In fairness to Hunt, I am surprised that any of the candidates deemed to have a chance would take this stance, so he has unblandified himself to some degree. > > > > > > Not that I see it as being popular, or that a desire to get a deal done will see it done. > > > > It is possible that some of the Tory leadership candidates are positioning themselves for the contest after this one... (if they don't win this one). If they're going to stand, they might as well offer something distinctive. > > > > So many people are talking about it being necessary for the Tories to embrace no deal to see off BXP. But destroying the country has electoral consequences too... > > Yes, but the Tory party has probably crossed the rubicon on that front - they are too far down the no deal road to turn back, since they have had half a damn year to Brexit and not done so. Now they will pursue anything that looks like a tough Brexit, so long as it is not that which they have rejected already, and hope like hell that works for the country. Somehow. > > I don't think Tory MPs are in favour of No Deal, if they put two candidates to the members who are opposed to No Deal the members will have to suck it up. > > Gove and Hunt as the final two will be fine by me, and plausible. > > And you think that strategy works out for the party? Baker and co would sit by happily as well? > > And even if they don't want no deal, we seem unlikely to get a new deal and even Hunt and Javid said no to the deal being softened further, so what next? > > I'm thinking of the best interests of the country. > > I think the ERG will be in for a shock if they do anything to enable Corbyn as PM.
A Tory thinking of the best interests of the country? Whatever next!
> @_Anazina_ said: > > @GIN1138 said: > > > Incredible that the day after Farage and the Brexit Party win the EU election on a no deal platform by a thumping 12% majority the political class are ramping up their "second referendum" bullshit even more. > > > > > > They never learn... > > > > > > > A vote share of 31.6% is not a majority. You do the math. > > Maths. > > Maths or math, it was actually sub 31% I believe - for some bizarre reason the headline figure does not include NI!
Since the Brexit Party weren't standing in Northern Ireland it's reasonable to quote the GB figure. The UK figure was 30.52%.
> @_Anazina_ said: > > @GIN1138 said: > > > Incredible that the day after Farage and the Brexit Party win the EU election on a no deal platform by a thumping 12% majority the political class are ramping up their "second referendum" bullshit even more. > > > > > > They never learn... > > > > > > > A vote share of 31.6% is not a majority. You do the math. > > Maths. > > Maths or math, it was actually sub 31% I believe - for some bizarre reason the headline figure does not include NI!
A whopping 11.2% of the electorate supported TBP.
No Deal Brexit it the Will of (one in 9 of) the People.
> > Frankly, there is no clarity and the parties are all at sea. We should take a long pause to work out exactly what we want - not just in relation to a transition - but also in relation to the final arrangement with the EU. We need as a nation to work out our strategy vis-a-vis the EU. I have argued for this many many times below and above the line.
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> If we do not leave then a Corbyn Government is absolutely guaranteed. So which do you fear more?
I'm not sure I agree. But I think the most disastrous option is to have a No Deal exit followed by a Corbyn government. Which is what the Tories will be enabling.
To be perfectly honest if the government had followed your initial suggestion we'd be in a much better place. All options now are bad. It's a question of choosing the least worst one.
Yes, it is daft to blame reasonable Leavers like Richard who have been suggesting Norway Plus since Day One.
I can’t see how Corbynite Labour wins a majority so far less likely than a Lib-Lab-Remainite pact I would say.
> @stodge said: > The Danes go to the polls again on June 5th for elections to the Folketing. > > Two new polls both show the centre-left bloc of parties still ahead of the centre-right. YouGov has it 53-47 while Voxmeter has it 56-44. > > It was a much better result in the EU elections for the ALDE member Venstre than had seemed likely - they beat the Social Democrats to top the poll but the centre-left parties still got 54% of the vote with strong results for the Socialistiske Folkeparti and Radikale Venstre making up for the slightly disappointing Social Democrat effort.
High turn out too. Value in Venstre outperforming their polling on Grundlovsdag imo
> @TheScreamingEagles said: > > @Casino_Royale said: > > > > @Peter_the_Punter said: > > > > Ladbrokes have paid out on EU percentages results. Betfair still dawdling. > > > > > > Yep. Just paid me too. Good but I had to chase. > > > > > > Contemplating sending Betfair a stropagram. > > > > Did you also benefit from advice given by the incurably modest TSE on the Conservatives performance? > > > > Somebody should give him a hat-tip, as he is unlikely to mention the matter himself. > > Well in fairness I did tip UKIP to win the Euros (I know, what was I smoking?) > > Forgot I ended up backing the Tories to finish fifth at 5/1 as well the 12/1 on the Tories polling sub 10%. > > http://www2.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2019/05/12/is-this-expectations-from-the-conservatives-or-are-they-really-going-to-finish-sixth-in-the-euros/ > > Big shout out to Tissue Price and Alastair Meeks for their advice on the spreads.
The 5/1 about Tories finishing fifth was good, but not outstanding value because it could have failed on both sides and it never really shortened that much.
The 12/1 about <10% was a stormer though. For once, Shadsy got it completely wrong. Should never have been more than 4/1. Even if it hadn't come in it was one of the best value spots on this Site for many a long year.
Well done, and thanks. We'll be raising a few glasses to you in Gloucestershire tomorrow.
> Incredible that the day after Farage and the Brexit Party win the EU election on a no deal platform by a thumping 12% majority the political class are ramping up their "second referendum" bullshit even more.
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> They never learn...
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A vote share of 31.6% is not a majority. You do the math.
Maths.
Maths or math, it was actually sub 31% I believe - for some bizarre reason the headline figure does not include NI!
Tories and UKIP were the only mainland parties to contest NI.
> @Sunil_Prasannan said: > > @GIN1138 said: > > > Incredible that the day after Farage and the Brexit Party win the EU election on a no deal platform by a thumping 12% majority the political class are ramping up their "second referendum" bullshit even more. > > > > > > They never learn... > > > > > > > A vote share of 31.6% is not a majority. You do the math. > > Maths. > > Maths or math, it was actually sub 31% I believe - for some bizarre reason the headline figure does not include NI! > > Tories and UKIP were the only mainland parties to contest NI.
There's also a NI Green Party, which I'm not sure if it's affiliated to the GB parties like the Scottish Greens are to the E&W Greens or just a sister party like the Alliance to the LDs.
> > Incredible that the day after Farage and the Brexit Party win the EU election on a no deal platform by a thumping 12% majority the political class are ramping up their "second referendum" bullshit even more.
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> @dixiedean said: > > @AndreaParma_82 said: > > In Ireland 2 MEPs have been elected so far. Out of 11 > > > > At their rate, they will finish counting after the first sitting of the new Parliament but maybe before Brexit > > Complain about that, but, they are still counting in Oz. 2 seats yet to declare a winner there.
> @Benpointer said: > > @_Anazina_ said: > > > @GIN1138 said: > > > > > Incredible that the day after Farage and the Brexit Party win the EU election on a no deal platform by a thumping 12% majority the political class are ramping up their "second referendum" bullshit even more. > > > > > > > > > > They never learn... > > > > > > > > > > > > > A vote share of 31.6% is not a majority. You do the math. > > > > Maths. > > > > Maths or math, it was actually sub 31% I believe - for some bizarre reason the headline figure does not include NI! > > A whopping 11.2% of the electorate supported TBP. > > No Deal Brexit it the Will of (one in 9 of) the People.
Two can play at that game. If you can't be arsed to vote then you're ok with any option, so a whopping 74% of the electorate are ok with a no.deal Brexit.
> > Incredible that the day after Farage and the Brexit Party win the EU election on a no deal platform by a thumping 12% majority the political class are ramping up their "second referendum" bullshit even more.
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> Maths or math, it was actually sub 31% I believe - for some bizarre reason the headline figure does not include NI!
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> Tories and UKIP were the only mainland parties to contest NI.
There's also a NI Green Party, which I'm not sure if it's affiliated to the GB parties like the Scottish Greens are to the E&W Greens or just a sister party like the Alliance to the LDs.
> @Sunil_Prasannan said: > > @_Anazina_ said: > > > > @GIN1138 said: > > > > > > > Incredible that the day after Farage and the Brexit Party win the EU election on a no deal platform by a thumping 12% majority the political class are ramping up their "second referendum" bullshit even more. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > They never learn... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A vote share of 31.6% is not a majority. You do the math. > > > > > > Maths. > > > > > > Maths or math, it was actually sub 31% I believe - for some bizarre reason the headline figure does not include NI! > > > > A whopping 11.2% of the electorate supported TBP. > > > > > > How many supported the LibDems?
Enough to force Labour to switch to supporting a 2nd Referendum it seems!
Hmm, several grown-up contenders: Hunt, Gove, Hancock and (a very long shot, but coming across well) Rory Stewart. That is a pleasant surprise, I thought they'd all have decided that snake oil wins the membership vote. But then, if you want snake oil, why not buy it direct from the blonde snake-charmer?
Sajid is also grown-up, but unfortunately his speaking style was out of date by around 1965.
Hmm, several grown-up contenders: Hunt, Gove, Hancock and (a very long shot, but coming across well) Rory Stewart. That is a pleasant surprise, I thought they'd all have decided that snake oil wins the membership vote. But then, if you want snake oil, why not buy it direct from the blonde snake-charmer?
Sajid is also grown-up, but unfortunately his speaking style was out of date by around 1965.
Correct. You can not out-Farage Farage. It's nuts to even try to do so. Farage will simply declare any Tory No Deal Brexit to be BINO, and still take Tory votes. You have to get votes where Farage can not go, and that does mean compromise.
> @Philip_Thompson said: > > @Benpointer said: > > > @_Anazina_ said: > > > > @GIN1138 said: > > > > > > > Incredible that the day after Farage and the Brexit Party win the EU election on a no deal platform by a thumping 12% majority the political class are ramping up their "second referendum" bullshit even more. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > They never learn... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A vote share of 31.6% is not a majority. You do the math. > > > > > > Maths. > > > > > > Maths or math, it was actually sub 31% I believe - for some bizarre reason the headline figure does not include NI! > > > > A whopping 11.2% of the electorate supported TBP. > > > > No Deal Brexit it the Will of (one in 9 of) the People. > > Two can play at that game. If you can't be arsed to vote then you're ok with any option, so a whopping 74% of the electorate are ok with a no.deal Brexit.
And an even higher number are ok with a 2nd ref.
My point was that the absolute proportion of the electorate so incensed by the Brexit delays that they voted for TBP was less than 12%... hardly an overwhelming majority.
> > > > Incredible that the day after Farage and the Brexit Party win the EU election on a no deal platform by a thumping 12% majority the political class are ramping up their "second referendum" bullshit even more.
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> Two can play at that game. If you can't be arsed to vote then you're ok with any option, so a whopping 74% of the electorate are ok with a no.deal Brexit.
And an even higher number are ok with a 2nd ref.
My point was that the absolute proportion of the electorate so incensed by the Brexit delays that they voted for TBP was less than 12%... hardly an overwhelming majority.
Question for you and other remainers, Ben:
Why are people much less likely to vote in EU elections than in their national parliamentary elections, whether here in the UK or in other EU nations?
> @Sunil_Prasannan said: > > @Philip_Thompson said: > > > > @Benpointer said: > > > > > @_Anazina_ said: > > > > > > @GIN1138 said: > > > > > > > > > > > Incredible that the day after Farage and the Brexit Party win the EU election on a no deal platform by a thumping 12% majority the political class are ramping up their "second referendum" bullshit even more. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > They never learn... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A vote share of 31.6% is not a majority. You do the math. > > > > > > > > > > Maths. > > > > > > > > > > Maths or math, it was actually sub 31% I believe - for some bizarre reason the headline figure does not include NI! > > > > > > > > A whopping 11.2% of the electorate supported TBP. > > > > > > > > No Deal Brexit it the Will of (one in 9 of) the People. > > > > > > Two can play at that game. If you can't be arsed to vote then you're ok with any option, so a whopping 74% of the electorate are ok with a no.deal Brexit. > > > > And an even higher number are ok with a 2nd ref. > > > > My point was that the absolute proportion of the electorate so incensed by the Brexit delays that they voted for TBP was less than 12%... hardly an overwhelming majority. > > Question for you and other remainers, Ben: > > Why are people much less likely to vote in EU elections than in their national parliamentary elections, whether here in the UK or in other EU nations?
Because they don't think the EU controls or influences their lives anything like as much as extreme Brexiteers claim it does.
Voters (probably rightly) think decisions made at an EU level impact their lives roughly as much as decisions made in local councils... hence the turnout figures are comparable.
> > > > Incredible that the day after Farage and the Brexit Party win the EU election on a no deal platform by a thumping 12% majority the political class are ramping up their "second referendum" bullshit even more.
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> > No Deal Brexit it the Will of (one in 9 of) the People.
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> Two can play at that game. If you can't be arsed to vote then you're ok with any option, so a whopping 74% of the electorate are ok with a no.deal Brexit.
And an even higher number are ok with a 2nd ref.
My point was that the absolute proportion of the electorate so incensed by the Brexit delays that they voted for TBP was less than 12%... hardly an overwhelming majority.
Question for you and other remainers, Ben:
Why are people much less likely to vote in EU elections than in their national parliamentary elections, whether here in the UK or in other EU nations?
They don't see them as being relevant to their lives. Google "second-order elections".
> Probably. But then again, not delivering Brexit at all gets Corbyn in by Xmas too, so what's his plan?
The way I'd read this is that there are 3 options open to the next PM:
1) GE
2) Endless extensions
3) Referendum
If they say "No Deal", they'd do (1)
If they say "Renegotiate", they'd do (2)
If they say anything else, they'd do (3)
Not a bad shout - we do need to analyse what they would do vs what they say they would do, since there's no way they don't try selling at least one unicorn in a leadership contest.
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A Tory thinking of the best interests of the country? Whatever next!
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Since the Brexit Party weren't standing in Northern Ireland it's reasonable to quote the GB figure. The UK figure was 30.52%.
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A whopping 11.2% of the electorate supported TBP.
No Deal Brexit it the Will of (one in 9 of) the People.
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I can’t see how Corbynite Labour wins a majority so far less likely than a Lib-Lab-Remainite pact I would say.
> https://twitter.com/steve_hawkes/status/1133116860864565250
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> The Danes go to the polls again on June 5th for elections to the Folketing.
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The 5/1 about Tories finishing fifth was good, but not outstanding value because it could have failed on both sides and it never really shortened that much.
The 12/1 about <10% was a stormer though. For once, Shadsy got it completely wrong. Should never have been more than 4/1. Even if it hadn't come in it was one of the best value spots on this Site for many a long year.
Well done, and thanks. We'll be raising a few glasses to you in Gloucestershire tomorrow.
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> Ok but put it on daytime TV when Tory Party members are more likely to be watching
Quite. Would be a suitable replacement for The Jeremy Kyle Show.
> What's the difference between the Conservative Party and a Ford Fiesta? The Fiesta has 5 seats.
There's less chance of a Fiesta killing you
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Has California declared yet?
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> No Deal Brexit it the Will of (one in 9 of) the People.
Two can play at that game. If you can't be arsed to vote then you're ok with any option, so a whopping 74% of the electorate are ok with a no.deal Brexit.
> Probably. But then again, not delivering Brexit at all gets Corbyn in by Xmas too, so what's his plan?
The way I'd read this is that there are 3 options open to the next PM:
1) GE
2) Endless extensions
3) Referendum
If they say "No Deal", they'd do (1)
If they say "Renegotiate", they'd do (2)
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Green_Party_in_Northern_Ireland
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Enough to force Labour to switch to supporting a 2nd Referendum it seems!
Sajid is also grown-up, but unfortunately his speaking style was out of date by around 1965.
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> Two can play at that game. If you can't be arsed to vote then you're ok with any option, so a whopping 74% of the electorate are ok with a no.deal Brexit.
And an even higher number are ok with a 2nd ref.
My point was that the absolute proportion of the electorate so incensed by the Brexit delays that they voted for TBP was less than 12%... hardly an overwhelming majority.
Why are people much less likely to vote in EU elections than in their national parliamentary elections, whether here in the UK or in other EU nations?
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> > > > A vote share of 31.6% is not a majority. You do the math.
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> > > > Maths or math, it was actually sub 31% I believe - for some bizarre reason the headline figure does not include NI!
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> > > A whopping 11.2% of the electorate supported TBP.
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> > > No Deal Brexit it the Will of (one in 9 of) the People.
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> > Two can play at that game. If you can't be arsed to vote then you're ok with any option, so a whopping 74% of the electorate are ok with a no.deal Brexit.
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> My point was that the absolute proportion of the electorate so incensed by the Brexit delays that they voted for TBP was less than 12%... hardly an overwhelming majority.
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> Why are people much less likely to vote in EU elections than in their national parliamentary elections, whether here in the UK or in other EU nations?
Because they don't think the EU controls or influences their lives anything like as much as extreme Brexiteers claim it does.
Voters (probably rightly) think decisions made at an EU level impact their lives roughly as much as decisions made in local councils... hence the turnout figures are comparable.
And as we know he is a man who knows how to deliver a compromise!
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