Labours leaflet silliness has the potential to badly affect their euro vote. I'm increasingly of the opinion both the big two will be in the teens. Brexit to win imo on ca 25%, change, ld and green to be in the 7 to 11 range
What I can't understand is why Lord Adonis agreed to that ridiculous statement. He should have stood his ground - they knew his views when he was selected as an MEP candidate. He would have done far better to stick to his principles even if he was deselected.
It was well-known that Adonis was an enthusiastic cheerleader for Remain when the NEC selected him, but there's a difference between that and haughtily telling all Leave voters that their votes were not wanted, Hillary Clinton-style.
Of course. But the statement he put out was a complete contradiction of everything he had previously stood for.
Was it a complete contradiction? He just restated the Labour conference motion, which everyone knows is waffle that can mean anything to anyone: he said he wanted a magic Brexit deal which keeps all the benefits of the EU, and that if that's not possible he wants a referendum. The only thing he left out on this occasion was that he doesn't think such a Brexit deal will ever be possible, so therefore a referendum will be the only thing left "on the table" from his POV.
Though I agree it's strange he was so bothered about not being deselected, since he's unlikely to get elected anyway.
If on Tuesday Labour come out decisively for a people's vote that will see them top the poll.
Er, I think.
Why has their polling only declined all year, even as they've gone in an ever-more Remainy direction (including sort-of supporting a referendum), then?
Why has their polling only declined all year, even as they've gone in an ever-more Remainy direction (including sort-of supporting a referendum), then?
If they share your view that a pivot to Ref2 would cost rather than gain them seats then they will never do it.
It's all about that.
My view is that it would produce a net gain and therefore they WILL do it - but only in the event of a general.
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If on Tuesday Labour come out decisively for a people's vote that will see them top the poll.
Er, I think.
On balance, it would benefit them in this election, as they would draw votes from Lib Dems, Change, and the Greens, but for the same reason, would cost the Remain side MEP;'s as the latter were pushed below the regional thresholds.
It might also cost Labour in the local elections in Leave-voting areas.
If on Tuesday Labour come out decisively for a people's vote that will see them top the poll.
Er, I think.
Why has their polling only declined all year, even as they've gone in an ever-more Remainy direction (including sort-of supporting a referendum), then?
That's a bit of a simplistic statement. First, their polling level is a little more complex than you're suggesting and, second, tacking on the Remain issue to their share ignores lots of other factors, including but not confined to: Corbyn, anti-semitism, Salisbury, Syria and then the recent legitimisation of Corbyn by the PM. I think we should remember that Labour voters are far less inclined to alter their vote because of Brexit or the EU than the Right. Look at the last GE when it was assumed Labour would be hammered, that Labour Leavers would continue to vote against the party. They didn't at all. They returned to the fold.
Over the last two years since the General Election there's no evidence that Labour's share has fallen and recent evidence would hint at an upturn.
Ah okay, that explains why he wasn’t on the UKIP list. There’s 8 seats in the NW, are more than 12.5% really going to vote for him by name, in preference to any party?
Was rather hoping that we’d avoid his name being involved with the elections.
As third named UKIP candidate, Steven Woolfe was returned with 9.15% of the regional vote in the NW last time out.
The people prepared to quit the established parties for a new party have self-selected to be a group of people with little tolerance or patience for reality falling short of perfection.
Some level of discord would seem to be inevitable.
Certainly but I have had extensive dealings with the office of one of the leading TIGs and I have to say they were the most arrogant, insensitive and high-handed bunch I have ever had the misfortune to encounter. Quite unable to understand that not everyone believed that the sun shone out of their boss's nether regions and impervious to any criticism or suggestion from those outside the charmed circle (most of whom had no experience of politics outside the Palace of Westminster). Those people probably wrote the paper dissing the Lib Dems, they will never be able to form a broad-based political party.
Well it does seem like they will have to step up a notch of capability to merit a footnote in political history, but that's more for other reasons than because some individuals are upset.
If on Tuesday Labour come out decisively for a people's vote that will see them top the poll.
Er, I think.
Why has their polling only declined all year, even as they've gone in an ever-more Remainy direction (including sort-of supporting a referendum), then?
Practical options. When the Conservatives polled 40%, if you opposed them there was only one show in town (outside Scotland).
When the Conservatives poll 25%, if you aren't too thrilled about Labour then you can consider other places to mark your X. This is true whether you're a Leaver who might vote Brexit or a Remainer who might vote Lib Dem or TIG - or if your reason for switching is entirely unconnected to Brexit.
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Tommy Robinson 6/4 to be elected as an MEP? That's a 2 in 5 chance. OMG.
Hes gonna need about 10% against 7 competitors........ surely the EDL types aren't a 10% presence??
8% was enough for Nick Griffin, but only just.
True true but I guess you're aiming for 10% to be confident of a good chance, 8% relies on a certain spread
The vote will surely be even more spread this time. If he can finish ahead of two or three out of Greens/Lib Dems/Change UK/UKIP then he has a good chance.
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Tommy Robinson 6/4 to be elected as an MEP? That's a 2 in 5 chance. OMG.
Hes gonna need about 10% against 7 competitors........ surely the EDL types aren't a 10% presence??
8% was enough for Nick Griffin, but only just.
True true but I guess you're aiming for 10% to be confident of a good chance, 8% relies on a certain spread
The vote will surely be even more spread this time. If he can finish ahead of two or three out of Greens/Lib Dems/Change UK/UKIP then he has a good chance.
Probably stuffs UKIP in that region.
Might make a difference to region winner and extra seat too, he will attract support away from Brexit and the anti establishment vote
If on Tuesday Labour come out decisively for a people's vote that will see them top the poll.
Er, I think.
I wonder if Labour can continue their Schroedingers Brexit much longer. It seems like it should matter when they finally decide, but politics is screwy at the moment and they have a strong brand and core
I wonder if Ladbrokes voided or paid out on the 'fastest in first practice' market. Not bothered, I didn't back anything and can see arguments either side, but just curious.
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On topic, it will be a good test of the extent of bovine loyalty to the Conservative party. It's hard to identify a single reason to vote for the Conservatives in the EU elections no matter what your political perspective. So we shall get to see the pure and inalienable Conservative vote.
If you are in favour of a negotiated Brexit who else would you vote for?
Surely the Conservative vote is a proxy for support for May's Deal?
That’s why I’m voting Tory in the Euros.
It's not even impossible that the Conservatives will top the poll. YouGov have the gap at only 6% between first and third.
I think I'll follow the polls closely, and vote for the party that is best placed to beat Labour.
Conservatives are 119-1 to win the Euros on Betfair.
I certainly wouldn't expect them to win but that does seem a very high price.
Brexit 1.57 Labour 2.9 Change UK 80 Conservative 120
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I wonder if Ladbrokes voided or paid out on the 'fastest in first practice' market. Not bothered, I didn't back anything and can see arguments either side, but just curious.
That may be right. But Conservative voters imo will distinguish between elections that matter (like by elections and council control) versus ones where it is safe this once to cast a protest vote. That is where the erosion to the Brexit Party will happen. this may end up affecting Labour in strong Leave areas too. The Brexit Party winning on 23 May does not mean that Tories have suddenly decided they want Farage. It means in an election that does not matter for policy on tax etc., they will vote again in this referendum as they did in 2016
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Those plugs have been in circulation for a decade, it is merely a precaution.
Hmm. "Six incidents have been reported, Apple said."
That's six incidents where the plugs fail and users are at a risk of an electric shock. Yet you laugh at Samsung ...
Six failed chargers out of how many tens of millions - as opposed to Samsung’s exploding batteries and folding screens that pretty much all failed as soon as anyone outside the company got their hands on one?
But back to the main point - is Heidi Allen a fascist in the making? - I wish to clarify that I am absolutely not saying that in a literal sense. Absurd notion. She's Heidi Allen, no more, no less.
My point was (is) that if the people of a country attach themselves in great numbers to a charismatic individual whose pitch is that they can run things much better because they are competent and pragmatic and free of ideology and partisanship, than that can be a route to fascism in the hands of a bad apple. Which it was in that TV drama.
On topic, it will be a good test of the extent of bovine loyalty to the Conservative party. It's hard to identify a single reason to vote for the Conservatives in the EU elections no matter what your political perspective. So we shall get to see the pure and inalienable Conservative vote.
If you are in favour of a negotiated Brexit who else would you vote for?
Surely the Conservative vote is a proxy for support for May's Deal?
That’s why I’m voting Tory in the Euros.
It's not even impossible that the Conservatives will top the poll. YouGov have the gap at only 6% between first and third.
I think I'll follow the polls closely, and vote for the party that is best placed to beat Labour.
Conservatives are 119-1 to win the Euros on Betfair.
I certainly wouldn't expect them to win but that does seem a very high price.
Brexit 1.57 Labour 2.9 Change UK 80 Conservative 120
Thanks. Those are very attractive odds. IMHO, the correct price should be about 25 - 1.
Mr. Sandpit, I'd probably agree (although my interest is purely academic). Incidentally, in case you missed it earlier my pre-qualifying ramble might be up at an odd time as I'm uncertain what's happening over the weekend, so might be today or tomorrow (before or after third practice).
Hold on, Jan rostowski evens for a seat? Second choice change UK in London, surely that's ridiculously short?
London was 60% Remain, but at the moment Change UK don't seem likely to outpoll the Greens or the Lib Dems, and those three parties surely won't manage six seats between them in London.
Just laid UKIP for Euro elections at 1.58 on Betfair. There are so many parties and LAB might just back a second referendum. If the latter happens next Tuesday then the betting will change.
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Those plugs have been in circulation for a decade, it is merely a precaution.
Hmm. "Six incidents have been reported, Apple said."
That's six incidents where the plugs fail and users are at a risk of an electric shock. Yet you laugh at Samsung ...
Six failed chargers out of how many tens of millions - as opposed to Samsung’s exploding batteries and folding screens that pretty much all failed as soon as anyone outside the company got their hands on one?
I agree that Samsung's folding screen is a hideous design (from what has been reported). I'm just pointing out that Apple isn't immune to getting things wrong either. Although Apple are usually somewhat hesitant to admit mistakes, so the plug recall's a good thing.
And BTW, batteries shouldn't explode. And mains plugs should not fall apart. On the scale of potential impact on consumers, these are much more serious than the screen issue, which is one that imperils no-one.
The formulation "racism = power + prejudice" has its place but it ignores the fact that a group can be globally powerless but individuals or a subgroup can be locally powerful. This can lead to the locally powerful practicing prejudice with insouciance. It may be better to just combat prejudice.
On topic, it will be a good test of the extent of bovine loyalty to the Conservative party. It's hard to identify a single reason to vote for the Conservatives in the EU elections no matter what your political perspective. So we shall get to see the pure and inalienable Conservative vote.
If you are in favour of a negotiated Brexit who else would you vote for?
Surely the Conservative vote is a proxy for support for May's Deal?
That’s why I’m voting Tory in the Euros.
It's not even impossible that the Conservatives will top the poll. YouGov have the gap at only 6% between first and third.
I think I'll follow the polls closely, and vote for the party that is best placed to beat Labour.
Conservatives are 119-1 to win the Euros on Betfair.
I certainly wouldn't expect them to win but that does seem a very high price.
Brexit 1.57 Labour 2.9 Change UK 80 Conservative 120
Thanks. Those are very attractive odds. IMHO, the correct price should be about 25 - 1.
At those odds, £10 on the Conservatives is a good bet.
But back to the main point - is Heidi Allen a fascist in the making? - I wish to clarify that I am absolutely not saying that in a literal sense. Absurd notion. She's Heidi Allen, no more, no less.
My point was (is) that if the people of a country attach themselves in great numbers to a charismatic individual whose pitch is that they can run things much better because they are competent and pragmatic and free of ideology and partisanship, than that can be a route to fascism in the hands of a bad apple. Which it was in that TV drama.
The beginnings of facism are always successfully convincing the majority or the dominant of a false problem to which you are the only answer. Then fake evidence of said problem and be begged to take the reins
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The formulation "racism = power + prejudice" has its place but it ignores the fact that a group can be globally powerless but individuals or a subgroup can be locally powerful. This can lead to the locally powerful practicing prejudice with insouciance. It may be better to just combat prejudice.
Prejudice against powerful groups, such as the Jews, can be as murderous as prejudice against groups without power.
Just laid UKIP for Euro elections at 1.58 on Betfair. There are so many parties and LAB might just back a second referendum. If the latter happens next Tuesday then the betting will change.
Just laid UKIP for Euro elections at 1.58 on Betfair. There are so many parties and LAB might just back a second referendum. If the latter happens next Tuesday then the betting will change.
Bodes well for Tommy then. Unfortunately I get the impression that his appeal is wider than that of the old BNP or National Front. The anti Islam thing has traction and it can be dressed up as not racist, merely a tough but fair roughing up of a primitive ideology that is incompatible with a modern liberal democracy. People fall for this, especially if they are suspicious of Muslims themselves and seeking some cover for their prejudice.
BTW, the database of 3m 'never before voters' that Vote Leave exploited so effectively in the 2016 referendum, do we know who owns that now?
Hold on, Jan rostowski evens for a seat? Second choice change UK in London, surely that's ridiculously short?
London was 60% Remain, but at the moment Change UK don't seem likely to outpoll the Greens or the Lib Dems, and those three parties surely won't manage six seats between them in London.
I guess if change are going to surge anywhere it will be London if labour look leavish
On topic, it will be a good test of the extent of bovine loyalty to the Conservative party. It's hard to identify a single reason to vote for the Conservatives in the EU elections no matter what your political perspective. So we shall get to see the pure and inalienable Conservative vote.
If you are in favour of a negotiated Brexit who else would you vote for?
Surely the Conservative vote is a proxy for support for May's Deal?
That’s why I’m voting Tory in the Euros.
It's not even impossible that the Conservatives will top the poll. YouGov have the gap at only 6% between first and third.
I think I'll follow the polls closely, and vote for the party that is best placed to beat Labour.
Conservatives are 119-1 to win the Euros on Betfair.
I certainly wouldn't expect them to win but that does seem a very high price.
Brexit 1.57 Labour 2.9 Change UK 80 Conservative 120
Thanks. Those are very attractive odds. IMHO, the correct price should be about 25 - 1.
At those odds, £10 on the Conservatives is a good bet.
Personally, I'm not tempted. As long as those odds are it's just impossible to back a party without even a PLAN on how to win. At least CHUK have one of them.
The formulation "racism = power + prejudice" has its place but it ignores the fact that a group can be globally powerless but individuals or a subgroup can be locally powerful. This can lead to the locally powerful practicing prejudice with insouciance. It may be better to just combat prejudice.
Prejudice against powerful groups, such as the Jews, can be as murderous as prejudice against groups without power.
Wasn't the whipped up perception of the Jews as a 'powerful group' the real cause of the murderousness rather than Jews actually being powerful and/or a group? They ended up being pretty fucking powerless from 1933-45.
Bodes well for Tommy then. Unfortunately I get the impression that his appeal is wider than that of the old BNP or National Front. The anti Islam thing has traction and it can be dressed up as not racist, merely a tough but fair roughing up of a primitive ideology that is incompatible with a modern liberal democracy. People fall for that, especially if they are suspicious of Muslims themselves and seeking some cover for their prejudice.
BTW, that database of 3m 'never before voters' that Vote Leave exploited so effectively in the 2016 referendum, do we know who owns that now?
I'd suggest it makes labour a very good bet to top the poll in the NW, Brexit and Tommy fish the same waters
The formulation "racism = power + prejudice" has its place but it ignores the fact that a group can be globally powerless but individuals or a subgroup can be locally powerful. This can lead to the locally powerful practicing prejudice with insouciance. It may be better to just combat prejudice.
Prejudice against powerful groups, such as the Jews, can be as murderous as prejudice against groups without power.
Wasn't the whipped up perception of the Jews as a 'powerful group' the actual cause of the murderousness rather than Jews being powerful and/or a group? They ended up being pretty fucking powerless from 1933-45.
Anyone is powerless once you start killing them, even French or Russian aristocrats. That doesn't mean they were powerless at the beginning.
Yeah that non standard question generally produces larger leads for Unionists.
Still if we get Indyref2 the UK government knows that question should be on the ballot papers.
That would be a misleading question because it wrongly implies that the UK is a voluntary union of separate states.
I know that some Scots are convinced that the 1707 Act of Union was in some way deficient, but it does appear that Scotland and England both created Great Britain voluntarily.
And I've seen some Irish people argue that when Ireland split in the 20's NI momentarily left the UK before (re)joining voluntarily.
Plus given that Northern Ireland and Scotland have both voted in referendums (albeit in different decades) to remain in the UK, it would seem that is the voluntary association you disclaim.
Prejudice against powerful groups, such as the Jews, can be as murderous as prejudice against groups without power.
I understand your point.
However, to tag the Jews as 'a powerful group' is something that if you were in the Labour Party could bring you to the attention of Margaret Hodge, with a possible referral to Laura Murray to explain the exact context and meaning of the phrase.
The formulation "racism = power + prejudice" has its place but it ignores the fact that a group can be globally powerless but individuals or a subgroup can be locally powerful. This can lead to the locally powerful practicing prejudice with insouciance. It may be better to just combat prejudice.
Prejudice against powerful groups, such as the Jews, can be as murderous as prejudice against groups without power.
Yeah that non standard question generally produces larger leads for Unionists.
Still if we get Indyref2 the UK government knows that question should be on the ballot papers.
That would be a misleading question because it wrongly implies that the UK is a voluntary union of separate states.
I know that some Scots are convinced that the 1707 Act of Union was in some way deficient, but it does appear that Scotland and England both created Great Britain voluntarily.
And I've seen some Irish people argue that when Ireland split in the 20's NI momentarily left the UK before (re)joining voluntarily.
Plus given that Northern Ireland and Scotland have both voted in referendums (albeit in different decades) to remain in the UK, it would seem that is the voluntary association you disclaim.
It's a constitutional point, not a political point. The UK is only a voluntary union to the extent that the government of the day decides that it's voluntary.
I have three options to get to Barcelona, which airline should I fly with?
i) EasyJet
ii) Ryanair
iii) Jet2
I went to Barcelona for a conference last year and EasyJet were fine. A quick connection on the underground too. With Speedy boarding you get a small bag as well as a carry on.
If you are going for the match then probably flight times, reliability and availibility matter more than anything.
Yeah that non standard question generally produces larger leads for Unionists.
Still if we get Indyref2 the UK government knows that question should be on the ballot papers.
That would be a misleading question because it wrongly implies that the UK is a voluntary union of separate states.
I know that some Scots are convinced that the 1707 Act of Union was in some way deficient, but it does appear that Scotland and England both created Great Britain voluntarily.
And I've seen some Irish people argue that when Ireland split in the 20's NI momentarily left the UK before (re)joining voluntarily.
Plus given that Northern Ireland and Scotland have both voted in referendums (albeit in different decades) to remain in the UK, it would seem that is the voluntary association you disclaim.
It's a constitutional point, not a political point. The UK is only a voluntary union to the extent that the government of the day decides that it's voluntary.
The beginnings of facism are always successfully convincing the majority or the dominant of a false problem to which you are the only answer. Then fake evidence of said problem and be begged to take the reins
Yes indeed.
And I suppose to be scrupulously fair - to fascists - it helps if the false problem has a sliver of truth to it.
Yeah that non standard question generally produces larger leads for Unionists.
Still if we get Indyref2 the UK government knows that question should be on the ballot papers.
That would be a misleading question because it wrongly implies that the UK is a voluntary union of separate states.
I know that some Scots are convinced that the 1707 Act of Union was in some way deficient, but it does appear that Scotland and England both created Great Britain voluntarily.
And I've seen some Irish people argue that when Ireland split in the 20's NI momentarily left the UK before (re)joining voluntarily.
Plus given that Northern Ireland and Scotland have both voted in referendums (albeit in different decades) to remain in the UK, it would seem that is the voluntary association you disclaim.
It's a constitutional point, not a political point. The UK is only a voluntary union to the extent that the government of the day decides that it's voluntary.
Same as the EU.
No, we have the unilateral right to leave the EU and could have done so already if Parliament had wanted to.
Yeah that non standard question generally produces larger leads for Unionists.
Still if we get Indyref2 the UK government knows that question should be on the ballot papers.
That would be a misleading question because it wrongly implies that the UK is a voluntary union of separate states.
I know that some Scots are convinced that the 1707 Act of Union was in some way deficient, but it does appear that Scotland and England both created Great Britain voluntarily.
And I've seen some Irish people argue that when Ireland split in the 20's NI momentarily left the UK before (re)joining voluntarily.
Plus given that Northern Ireland and Scotland have both voted in referendums (albeit in different decades) to remain in the UK, it would seem that is the voluntary association you disclaim.
The Act of Union would not, of course, have secured a majority had a popular referendum been held in Scotland. So "voluntary" is one of those curious definitions.
The beginnings of facism are always successfully convincing the majority or the dominant of a false problem to which you are the only answer. Then fake evidence of said problem and be begged to take the reins
Yes indeed.
And I suppose to be scrupulously fair - to fascists - it helps if the false problem has a sliver of truth to it.
No, if the problem has a sliver of truth to it, there's always the risk someone will solve the problem. Far better for the would-be fascist if the problem is entirely fictitious.
Cable's decision this morning to launch the LDs European elections campaign with a 'simple' and 'unambiguous' plan to stop Brexit is a clear attempt on his part to position the LDs as the leading anti Brexit Party and pitch for the votes of Remainers while accusing the Tories and Labour of attempting to 'stitch up' a Brexit Deal
But back to the main point - is Heidi Allen a fascist in the making? - I wish to clarify that I am absolutely not saying that in a literal sense. Absurd notion. She's Heidi Allen, no more, no less.
My point was (is) that if the people of a country attach themselves in great numbers to a charismatic individual whose pitch is that they can run things much better because they are competent and pragmatic and free of ideology and partisanship, than that can be a route to fascism in the hands of a bad apple. Which it was in that TV drama.
The beginnings of facism are always successfully convincing the majority or the dominant of a false problem to which you are the only answer. Then fake evidence of said problem and be begged to take the reins
Hmmm
Bojo successfully convinced the majority that EU membership was a problem and Brexit was the only answer. This was largely based on fake evidence, cake and eat it, straight bananas, EU-USSR etc etc. Now it seems the Tories are begging him to take the reins.
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Prejudice against powerful groups, such as the Jews, can be as murderous as prejudice against groups without power.
I understand your point.
However, to tag the Jews as 'a powerful group' is something that if you were in the Labour Party could bring you to the attention of Margaret Hodge, with a possible referral to Laura Murray to explain the exact context and meaning of the phrase.
Yes posing Jews as a "powerful group" is anti-semitism under point 2 of the IHRA definition:
Just laid UKIP for Euro elections at 1.58 on Betfair. There are so many parties and LAB might just back a second referendum. If the latter happens next Tuesday then the betting will change.
With Milne controlling the show and even the likes of Stephen Kinnock opposed to a second EU referendum that is unlikely to be the official position
But back to the main point - is Heidi Allen a fascist in the making? - I wish to clarify that I am absolutely not saying that in a literal sense. Absurd notion. She's Heidi Allen, no more, no less.
My point was (is) that if the people of a country attach themselves in great numbers to a charismatic individual whose pitch is that they can run things much better because they are competent and pragmatic and free of ideology and partisanship, than that can be a route to fascism in the hands of a bad apple. Which it was in that TV drama.
The beginnings of facism are always successfully convincing the majority or the dominant of a false problem to which you are the only answer. Then fake evidence of said problem and be begged to take the reins
Hmmm
Bojo successfully convinced the majority that EU membership was a problem and Brexit was the only answer. This was largely based on fake evidence, cake and eat it, straight bananas, EU-USSR etc etc. Now it seems the Tories are begging him to take the reins.
Quite. Farage is trying the same trick. Fascist face off
Yeah that non standard question generally produces larger leads for Unionists.
Still if we get Indyref2 the UK government knows that question should be on the ballot papers.
That would be a misleading question because it wrongly implies that the UK is a voluntary union of separate states.
I know that some Scots are convinced that the 1707 Act of Union was in some way deficient, but it does appear that Scotland and England both created Great Britain voluntarily.
And I've seen some Irish people argue that when Ireland split in the 20's NI momentarily left the UK before (re)joining voluntarily.
Plus given that Northern Ireland and Scotland have both voted in referendums (albeit in different decades) to remain in the UK, it would seem that is the voluntary association you disclaim.
It's a constitutional point, not a political point. The UK is only a voluntary union to the extent that the government of the day decides that it's voluntary.
Same as the EU.
Except one allows their members to democratically decide to leave it at any point (regardless of that member's absolute incompetence in carrying it out), the other doesn't.
No, if the problem has a sliver of truth to it, there's always the risk someone will solve the problem. Far better for the would-be fascist if the problem is entirely fictitious.
Prejudice against powerful groups, such as the Jews, can be as murderous as prejudice against groups without power.
I understand your point.
However, to tag the Jews as 'a powerful group' is something that if you were in the Labour Party could bring you to the attention of Margaret Hodge, with a possible referral to Laura Murray to explain the exact context and meaning of the phrase.
Yes posing Jews as a "powerful group" is anti-semitism under point 2 of the IHRA definition:
I did not know that, thank you. I learn something new every day. But my point remains: using the power level of a group (real or imagined) to excuse prejudicial actions against or by an individual from that group can cause problems. It is simpler to just deprecate prejudice.
Prejudice against powerful groups, such as the Jews, can be as murderous as prejudice against groups without power.
I understand your point.
However, to tag the Jews as 'a powerful group' is something that if you were in the Labour Party could bring you to the attention of Margaret Hodge, with a possible referral to Laura Murray to explain the exact context and meaning of the phrase.
Yes posing Jews as a "powerful group" is anti-semitism under point 2 of the IHRA definition:
The only reason to vote Tory since 1997 has been to try and keep Labour out. Given the total muppets in the current parliamentary party and in Gov in particular, that reason no longer seems so compelling notwithstanding the absolutely disgusting nature of Corbyn’s Labour.
Rubbish, many voted positively for Cameron or Howard, even May last time.
However next time there certainly will be a large part of the Tory vote to keep Corbyn out, far more than yo keep Blair or Ed Miliband out
No, if the problem has a sliver of truth to it, there's always the risk someone will solve the problem. Far better for the would-be fascist if the problem is entirely fictitious.
Yes - I give way to a wiser man.
The best lies always have a grain of truth in them.
Yeah that non standard question generally produces larger leads for Unionists.
Still if we get Indyref2 the UK government knows that question should be on the ballot papers.
That would be a misleading question because it wrongly implies that the UK is a voluntary union of separate states.
I know that some Scots are convinced that the 1707 Act of Union was in some way deficient, but it does appear that Scotland and England both created Great Britain voluntarily.
And I've seen some Irish people argue that when Ireland split in the 20's NI momentarily left the UK before (re)joining voluntarily.
Plus given that Northern Ireland and Scotland have both voted in referendums (albeit in different decades) to remain in the UK, it would seem that is the voluntary association you disclaim.
It's a constitutional point, not a political point. The UK is only a voluntary union to the extent that the government of the day decides that it's voluntary.
Same as the EU.
Except one allows their members to democratically decide to leave it at any point (regardless of that member's absolute incompetence in carrying it out), the other doesn't.
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Though I agree it's strange he was so bothered about not being deselected, since he's unlikely to get elected anyway.
It's all about that.
My view is that it would produce a net gain and therefore they WILL do it - but only in the event of a general.
It might also cost Labour in the local elections in Leave-voting areas.
Over the last two years since the General Election there's no evidence that Labour's share has fallen and recent evidence would hint at an upturn.
https://britainelects.com/polling/westminster/
http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/voting-intention-2
They're polling around 2% lower than a year ago but around 5% higher than two years ago. Roughly.
I don't expect he'll get elected anyway though.
I have three options to get to Barcelona, which airline should I fly with?
i) EasyJet
ii) Ryanair
iii) Jet2
When the Conservatives poll 25%, if you aren't too thrilled about Labour then you can consider other places to mark your X. This is true whether you're a Leaver who might vote Brexit or a Remainer who might vote Lib Dem or TIG - or if your reason for switching is entirely unconnected to Brexit.
v) KLM
vi) Iberia
(Of your three, Easy).
Oh, and it might not be quite the right day for an Apple fanboi to be laughing about this:
"Apple recalls plugs in UK, Hong Kong and Singapore"
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-48065422
https://twitter.com/WhatScotsThink/status/1121644779060621315
Failing that, Easyjet are okay.
Probably stuffs UKIP in that region.
That's six incidents where the plugs fail and users are at a risk of an electric shock. Yet you laugh at Samsung ...
I certainly wouldn't expect them to win but that does seem a very high price.
Brexit 1.57
Labour 2.9
Change UK 80
Conservative 120
Usually in these situations it is user error.
https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article.fp1-report-azerbaijan-grand-prix-2019.X8txC529lrcFPbZXI1OFX.html
But back to the main point - is Heidi Allen a fascist in the making? - I wish to clarify that I am absolutely not saying that in a literal sense. Absurd notion. She's Heidi Allen, no more, no less.
My point was (is) that if the people of a country attach themselves in great numbers to a charismatic individual whose pitch is that they can run things much better because they are competent and pragmatic and free of ideology and partisanship, than that can be a route to fascism in the hands of a bad apple. Which it was in that TV drama.
Welcome to PB, Mr. Nicholson.
Jealous is not the word.
And BTW, batteries shouldn't explode. And mains plugs should not fall apart. On the scale of potential impact on consumers, these are much more serious than the screen issue, which is one that imperils no-one.
The formulation "racism = power + prejudice" has its place but it ignores the fact that a group can be globally powerless but individuals or a subgroup can be locally powerful. This can lead to the locally powerful practicing prejudice with insouciance. It may be better to just combat prejudice.
My experience of Ryanair was positive tbh.
https://twitter.com/gtconway3d/status/1121366385999925249
"There have been thousands of flights, and only those two crashed. It's obviously user error..."
BTW, the database of 3m 'never before voters' that Vote Leave exploited so effectively in the 2016 referendum, do we know who owns that now?
And I've seen some Irish people argue that when Ireland split in the 20's NI momentarily left the UK before (re)joining voluntarily.
Plus given that Northern Ireland and Scotland have both voted in referendums (albeit in different decades) to remain in the UK, it would seem that is the voluntary association you disclaim.
However, to tag the Jews as 'a powerful group' is something that if you were in the Labour Party could bring you to the attention of Margaret Hodge, with a possible referral to Laura Murray to explain the exact context and meaning of the phrase.
If you are going for the match then probably flight times, reliability and availibility matter more than anything.
And I suppose to be scrupulously fair - to fascists - it helps if the false problem has a sliver of truth to it.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-48064699
???
Bojo successfully convinced the majority that EU membership was a problem and Brexit was the only answer. This was largely based on fake evidence, cake and eat it, straight bananas, EU-USSR etc etc. Now it seems the Tories are begging him to take the reins.
https://www.holocaustremembrance.com/working-definition-antisemitism
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/apr/26/po-sues-over-33m-eurotunnel-payout-in-brexit-ferry-fiasco
However next time there certainly will be a large part of the Tory vote to keep Corbyn out, far more than yo keep Blair or Ed Miliband out
https://twitter.com/allisonpearson/status/1121515208797753346