The first interview is with a lady who was arrested inDubai for calling her husbands new wife a horse. I wonder if as many listeners had sympathy for her as Emma Barnett expected. It isn't too long ago that we had criminal libel in this country. It starts right at the beginning
Was more to that harassment story than has been commonly reported, it was thousands of calls, messages, emails and social media posts over more than two years aimed at the ex-husbands new wife. Would likely have met the standard for criminal harassment in the U.K.
Brits detained abroad (or their lawyers) have now worked out that they can often get their case sped up if they can get a one-sided article about their plight in the Daily Mail.
I knew it would be. I've shot in Dubai and I know it to be a reasonably civilised country. The interviewer sounded like a hysterical schoolgirl without the capacity to look beyond the very obvious flaws and omissions in her story. It was typical of a Western attitude towards anywhere Muslim.
Project Fear. We get it every time a Labour government looks likely.
Very telling that you just use a Boris-style attempt at put-down, rather than addressing the actual points raised. The difference between Labour prior to Corbyn, and Labour now, is massive. This is a completely different order of magnitude of threat both to the economy and our security; never in the history of modern UK politics has the main opposition party been so extreme.
Well, the Tories shouldn't have pissed me off so much then!
Likewise. If it was a straight choice between Corbyn and these Tories, there is no way I would offer this government and its bunch of damaging idiots any support. The Tories will struggle to make a case against Labour over damaging the economy after the disgraceful fiasco of the last few years.
The damage will be cumulative. It's not either/or!
Having said that, there's not much damage so far, rather surprisingly.
Mr. Nabavi, quite agree. It's why, so long as Corbyn and his socialist circle are squatting on Labour's front bench, I'm nailed on to vote for the Conservatives even if they're led by the rubbish May.
You have been a Tory ever since I first came on this site in one of my various guises more than a decade ago. So please refrain from insulting our intelligence by claiming your present vote is anything other than your partisan default position.
Never mind voting Tory, he votes for Andrea Jenkyns!
That’s what happens when you have the EU collectively negotiate your trade deals. They end up being massively in favour of German and French industry, while screwing everyone else. Why does anyone think a customs union with the EU after we’ve left would be anything but an abysmal idea?
But the Germans are massive car producers. I'm any case, the EU-Japan trade deals takes a whole decade to dismantle tariffs on cars between the two blocs, so that's extremely unlikely to be the cause.
The reality is that Eurozone economic growth numbers are being revised down again, and ICE demand is falling faster. Jobs are being shed in the auto industry in the EU, the UK, Canada, Mexico and Japan right now.
I know that the car industry is a complete mess right now all over the world, but it’s not purely a co-incidence that the minute the EU agree to tariff-free imports from Japan, the major Japanese carmakers decide to exit the European production market.
The U.K. must be pretty close to neutral, with a lot of the smaller companies expanding.
The last numbers I saw had automobile employment down in every EU country (except Portugal) in 2018, with us having the biggest absolute fall. (Although I suspect far from the biggest percentage drop.)
It's easy to focus on the car assemblers, but more people work in suppliers and component makers than for the big firms, and they've been shedding jobs across the world.
They don't have divisions in the House of Commons relating to dealing with internal party matters. They do on government policy.
The idea that Labour MPs are going to vote against economically illiterate but populist tax, spending and nationalisation measures put forward by a Labour Chancellor and referenced in the manifesto they were elected on is, how shall I put it, rather optimistic.
Given that nationalised railways are the mainstream default position in London, France, Germany, Italy, Spain and Northern Ireland, it’s hardly an extreme position as you suggest. The difference with our bonkers franchising model is that we allow other countries to own networks but not our own (except when the privateers frequently fuck everything up, a la East Coast).
Change U.K. is a complete misnomer. What they have said in public amounts to higher taxes, extension of the welfare state and staying in the EU. They could have joined the LibDems or stayed in their respective parties with that agenda. What they mean is they don’t like Corbyn or May or their policies. One can have a lot of sympathy with that but not with their agenda.
To call yourself 'Change' is awful. To do so when your very specific agenda is 'Stay the Same in All Important Respects while Talking about Changey Hopey stuff' is ghastly. Sadly this bird cannot fly. These good people need a decent name, some actual beliefs and a cause other than ignoring majority opinion in the most important vote for many years.
Would be nice if there was a sensible party for them to join, like Labour or Conservative. Shame that's the problem instead of the solution.
They can't lead the thinking as their very purpose is to be stuck in the past when Blairite centre politics ruled. They seem utterly incapable of seeing what a failure that has been for so many people.
There might be those who look back on the pre-2008 period of cheap food, cheap fuel, cheap money and rising asset values with a certain nostalgia. The current economic model is producing some extraordinary official statistics but they hide, in my view, some much less palatable truths about the impact of an unending supply of cheap labour which has allowed people to be absorbed into the workforce and has acted as a brake on process-driven improvement.
We are told by Boris Johnson he has a "tide of Tory ideas" if he becomes Prime Minister but neither the Conservative nor Labour parties seem any more suited to thinking about the future than the jibe you address at Change UK.
I never said they were. But just because those parties are stuck in the past and have no new, relevant ideas for the 21st century doesn't mean the Tiggers are any better. They are not. And trying to portray themselves as some sort of fresh new broom to sweep away the old order is just going to leave them open to ridicule.
They are mid life crisis enablers. People who did well out of the Blair/Cameron years yearning to pose as rebels because they were on the losing side for once. Punching down never a good look, they should just have a beer and wear a rock t shirt at a 70s revival festival in some rural village.
Given that nationalised railways are the mainstream default position in London, France, Germany, Italy, Spain and Northern Ireland, it’s hardly an extreme position as you suggest. The difference with our bonkers franchising model is that we allow other countries to own networks but not our own (except when the privateers frequently fuck everything up, a la East Coast).
That might be an argument, if Labour's only controversial proposal was nationalising railways.
And you don't seem to realise that many EU countries have privatised parts of their networks, and that the EU is taking steps to increase competition:
Given that nationalised railways are the mainstream default position in London, France, Germany, Italy, Spain and Northern Ireland, it’s hardly an extreme position as you suggest. The difference with our bonkers franchising model is that we allow other countries to own networks but not our own (except when the privateers frequently fuck everything up, a la East Coast).
That might be an argument, if Labour's only controversial proposal was nationalising railways.
And you don't seem to realise that many EU countries have privatised parts of their networks, and that the EU is taking steps to increase competition:
I’m quite aware of that, alongside state owned railways. Here, we only allow state owned franchises in London or when the private sector makes a frequent hash of things, a la East Coast. That’s an extreme doctrinaire position.
Will the new SDP be standing and how is that not confusing?
The clearly pro Remain parties not forming a one off alliance is bonkers (I appreciate it may have been hard in the time available)
Any alliance whether LibDem/TIG or UKIP/Brexit woule have to agree who would top the alliance's list - and the order of subsequent names.
Yes, but the beauty of multiple regions is that you can trade these things off reasonably precisely, with different parties getting to top the list in different areas. The tricky bit is persuading your counterparties that you bring more votes to the table than they do.
The Brexit Party won't be interested in talking to UKIP, as they're aiming to destroy them.
But a CUK/LD/Green(?) tie-up as "The Remain Coalition" would have been smart. Too late now.
Project Fear. We get it every time a Labour government looks likely.
Very telling that you just use a Boris-style attempt at put-down, rather than addressing the actual points raised. The difference between Labour prior to Corbyn, and Labour now, is massive. This is a completely different order of magnitude of threat both to the economy and our security; never in the history of modern UK politics has the main opposition party been so extreme.
We're not the ones foaming at the mouth over the prospect of a No Deal Brexit.
Mr. Rentool, what can I say? I don't subscribe to the creed of failure that is socialism.
But you subscribe to the creed of failure that is Brexit.
Both are two cheeks of the same arse.
Both leave the UK poorer and damaged, both are championed by many on the hard left.
I dont recall the hard left calling the referendum, wasnt that the failure that was Cameron ?
The hard left have been advocating withdrawal from the EC/EU from before I was born, people like the reported Soviet spy Michael Foot, Peter Shore, Barbara Castle, and Tony Benn for example.
To think the Conservatives are delivering a large chunk of Michael Foot's 1983 manifesto.
I’m quite aware of that, alongside state owned railways. Here, we only allow state owned franchises in London or when the private sector makes a frequent hash of things, a la East Coast. That’s an extreme doctrinaire position.
Whatever, I really don't think that Labour's plans for the railways, although in the opposite direction to what the rest of Europe is doing, are of any great importance one way or the other. It's everything else which terrifies me.
Change U.K. is a complete misnomer. What they have said in public amounts to higher taxes, extension of the welfare state and staying in the EU. They could have joined the LibDems or stayed in their respective parties with that agenda. What they mean is they don’t like Corbyn or May or their policies. One can have a lot of sympathy with that but not with their agenda.
To call yourself 'Change' is awful. To do so when your very specific agenda is 'Stay the Same in All Important Respects while Talking about Changey Hopey stuff' is ghastly. Sadly this bird cannot fly. These good people need a decent name, some actual beliefs and a cause other than ignoring majority opinion in the most important vote for many years.
Would be nice if there was a sensible party for them to join, like Labour or Conservative. Shame that's the problem instead of the solution.
I never said they were. But just because those parties are stuck in the past and have no new, relevant ideas for the 21st century doesn't mean the Tiggers are any better. They are not. And trying to portray themselves as some sort of fresh new broom to sweep away the old order is just going to leave them open to ridicule.
The point is there is a necessity for all parties to be thinking about the future and to come up with solutions to the problems we will face in the 2020s and beyond.
I don't see any party doing serious work regarding the socio-economic and cultural impact of climate change or the challenge AI will bring. These will be huge issues in a generation if not sooner.
I see more thinking in local councils if I'm honest.
Mr. Rentool, what can I say? I don't subscribe to the creed of failure that is socialism.
But you subscribe to the creed of failure that is Brexit.
Both are two cheeks of the same arse.
Both leave the UK poorer and damaged, both are championed by many on the hard left.
I dont recall the hard left calling the referendum, wasnt that the failure that was Cameron ?
The hard left have been advocating withdrawal from the EC/EU from before I was born, people like the reported Soviet spy Michael Foot, Peter Shore, Barbara Castle, and Tony Benn for example.
To think the Conservatives are delivering a large chunk of Michael Foot's 1983 manifesto.
sure, but they6 didnt actually call the referendum.
That was Cameron because he couldnt manage his party and then Osborne screwed up the campaign
That’s what happens when you have the EU collectively negotiate your trade deals. They end up being massively in favour of German and French industry, while screwing everyone else. Why does anyone think a customs union with the EU after we’ve left would be anything but an abysmal idea?
But the Germans are massive car producers. I'm any case, the EU-Japan trade deals takes a whole decade to dismantle tariffs on cars between the two blocs, so that's extremely unlikely to be the cause.
The reality is that Eurozone economic growth numbers are being revised down again, and ICE demand is falling faster. Jobs are being shed in the auto industry in the EU, the UK, Canada, Mexico and Japan right now.
I know that the car industry is a complete mess right now all over the world, but it’s not purely a co-incidence that the minute the EU agree to tariff-free imports from Japan, the major Japanese carmakers decide to exit the European production market.
The U.K. must be pretty close to neutral, with a lot of the smaller companies expanding.
The last numbers I saw had automobile employment down in every EU country (except Portugal) in 2018, with us having the biggest absolute fall. (Although I suspect far from the biggest percentage drop.)
It's easy to focus on the car assemblers, but more people work in suppliers and component makers than for the big firms, and they've been shedding jobs across the world.
Hmm interesting. Most of the reports I’ve heard have been positive in the UK, especially for the very hi-tech suppliers and the secondary businesses of the motorsport and F1 teams. Maybe the JLR slowdown and the hesitancy of the Japanese manufacturers is outweighing these.
Given that nationalised railways are the mainstream default position in London, France, Germany, Italy, Spain and Northern Ireland, it’s hardly an extreme position as you suggest. The difference with our bonkers franchising model is that we allow other countries to own networks but not our own (except when the privateers frequently fuck everything up, a la East Coast).
That might be an argument, if Labour's only controversial proposal was nationalising railways.
And you don't seem to realise that many EU countries have privatised parts of their networks, and that the EU is taking steps to increase competition:
Mr. Eagles, for a man who maintains he wanted the UK to leave the EU but 10 years down the line you sure do like knocking anyone who wants the UK to leave the EU but before another 10 years of integration occurs.
It's also an interesting line for someone who's pro-Conservative to attack someone who's just said they're (as things stand) a nailed-on Conservative voter at the next General Election. You were canvassing this very constituency a few days ago...
Mr. Rentool, what can I say? I don't subscribe to the creed of failure that is socialism.
But you subscribe to the creed of failure that is Brexit.
Both are two cheeks of the same arse.
Both leave the UK poorer and damaged, both are championed by many on the hard left.
I dont recall the hard left calling the referendum, wasnt that the failure that was Cameron ?
The hard left have been advocating withdrawal from the EC/EU from before I was born, people like the reported Soviet spy Michael Foot, Peter Shore, Barbara Castle, and Tony Benn for example.
To think the Conservatives are delivering a large chunk of Michael Foot's 1983 manifesto.
sure, but they6 didnt actually call the referendum.
That was Cameron because he couldnt manage his party and then Osborne screwed up the campaign
Nobody can manage the Tory party on the EU, it has ousted or destroyed Thatcher, Major, Cameron, and May.
The Tory split is coming, the question is not if but when.
Given that nationalised railways are the mainstream default position in London, France, Germany, Italy, Spain and Northern Ireland, it’s hardly an extreme position as you suggest. The difference with our bonkers franchising model is that we allow other countries to own networks but not our own (except when the privateers frequently fuck everything up, a la East Coast).
That might be an argument, if Labour's only controversial proposal was nationalising railways.
And you don't seem to realise that many EU countries have privatised parts of their networks, and that the EU is taking steps to increase competition:
I’m quite aware of that, alongside state owned railways. Here, we only allow state owned franchises in London or when the private sector makes a frequent hash of things, a la East Coast. That’s an extreme doctrinaire position.
You mean we only allow state-owned franchises when we do? (and you miss the concessions outside London as well.)
I find an insistence on renationalisation a much more extreme doctrinaire position.
Clearly they should have got Gary Lineker on board and called themselves Centre Forward.
I wouldn't be surprised in Jug Ears isn't already a paid supporter and / or will be in their campaign video.
I recall someone on here asserting that Lineker was a Tory. Admittedly this was quite a few years ago - but his recent statements - since Election night 2017 - appear to somewhat contradict that.
That’s what happens when you have the EU collectively negotiate your trade deals. They end up being massively in favour of German and French industry, while screwing everyone else. Why does anyone think a customs union with the EU after we’ve left would be anything but an abysmal idea?
But the Germans are massive car producers. I'm any case, the EU-Japan trade deals takes a whole decade to dismantle tariffs on cars between the two blocs, so that's extremely unlikely to be the cause.
The reality is that Eurozone economic growth numbers are being revised down again, and ICE demand is falling faster. Jobs are being shed in the auto industry in the EU, the UK, Canada, Mexico and Japan right now.
I know that the car industry is a complete mess right now all over the world, but it’s not purely a co-incidence that the minute the EU agree to tariff-free imports from Japan, the major Japanese carmakers decide to exit the European production market.
The U.K. must be pretty close to neutral, with a lot of the smaller companies expanding.
The last numbers I saw had automobile employment down in every EU country (except Portugal) in 2018, with us having the biggest absolute fall. (Although I suspect far from the biggest percentage drop.)
It's easy to focus on the car assemblers, but more people work in suppliers and component makers than for the big firms, and they've been shedding jobs across the world.
It's also worth remembering:
1. Job losses are very rarely announced, relative to job increases 2. Car ownership is in decline across the developed world 3. Automation is relentless 4. Electric cars need fewer people in automotive production (and servicing)
Given that nationalised railways are the mainstream default position in London, France, Germany, Italy, Spain and Northern Ireland, it’s hardly an extreme position as you suggest. The difference with our bonkers franchising model is that we allow other countries to own networks but not our own (except when the privateers frequently fuck everything up, a la East Coast).
That might be an argument, if Labour's only controversial proposal was nationalising railways.
And you don't seem to realise that many EU countries have privatised parts of their networks, and that the EU is taking steps to increase competition:
Mr. Eagles, for a man who maintains he wanted the UK to leave the EU but 10 years down the line you sure do like knocking anyone who wants the UK to leave the EU but before another 10 years of integration occurs.
It's also an interesting line for someone who's pro-Conservative to attack someone who's just said they're (as things stand) a nailed-on Conservative voter at the next General Election. You were canvassing this very constituency a few days ago...
I've told you enough times, including last week, I didn't want the UK to leave in 10 years, I said I might back Brexit if the Eurozone commits to political union to complement economic and monetary union.
In that instance we wouldn't be the only ones leaving which would have made the whole process easier. Or more likely the Swedes, Danes, ourselves, and a few others would have become associate members.
Given that nationalised railways are the mainstream default position in London, France, Germany, Italy, Spain and Northern Ireland, it’s hardly an extreme position as you suggest. The difference with our bonkers franchising model is that we allow other countries to own networks but not our own (except when the privateers frequently fuck everything up, a la East Coast).
That might be an argument, if Labour's only controversial proposal was nationalising railways.
And you don't seem to realise that many EU countries have privatised parts of their networks, and that the EU is taking steps to increase competition:
Rabid right-wing ideological lunacy. One of the reasons I voted Leave.
But your party’s leader seems to think that the EU is becoming more socialist and that is why he voted Remain, at least according to our own @NickPalmer.
That’s what happens when you have the EU collectively negotiate your trade deals. They end up being massively in favour of German and French industry, while screwing everyone else. Why does anyone think a customs union with the EU after we’ve left would be anything but an abysmal idea?
But the Germans are massive car producers. I'm any case, the EU-Japan trade deals takes a whole decade to dismantle tariffs on cars between the two blocs, so that's extremely unlikely to be the cause.
The reality is that Eurozone economic growth numbers are being revised down again, and ICE demand is falling faster. Jobs are being shed in the auto industry in the EU, the UK, Canada, Mexico and Japan right now.
I know that the car industry is a complete mess right now all over the world, but it’s not purely a co-incidence that the minute the EU agree to tariff-free imports from Japan, the major Japanese carmakers decide to exit the European production market.
The U.K. must be pretty close to neutral, with a lot of the smaller companies expanding.
The last numbers I saw had automobile employment down in every EU country (except Portugal) in 2018, with us having the biggest absolute fall. (Although I suspect far from the biggest percentage drop.)
It's easy to focus on the car assemblers, but more people work in suppliers and component makers than for the big firms, and they've been shedding jobs across the world.
It's also worth remembering:
1. Job losses are very rarely announced, relative to job increases 2. Car ownership is in decline across the developed world 3. Automation is relentless 4. Electric cars need fewer people in automotive production (and servicing)
Robert, where's the best place to find the following info, yearly UK inward investment since 1970?
... the aim of Zionism is an indeterminate border which at a minimum includes the biblical area of Judea and Samaria which includes the West Bank and Jerusalem...
No, it isn't. You're confusing "Zionism" with "some Zionists".
That’s what happens when you have the EU collectively negotiate your trade deals. They end up being massively in favour of German and French industry, while screwing everyone else. Why does anyone think a customs union with the EU after we’ve left would be anything but an abysmal idea?
But the Germans are massive car producers. I'm any case, the EU-Japan trade deals takes a whole decade to dismantle tariffs on cars between the two blocs, so that's extremely unlikely to be the cause.
The reality is that Eurozone economic growth numbers are being revised down again, and ICE demand is falling faster. Jobs are being shed in the auto industry in the EU, the UK, Canada, Mexico and Japan right now.
I know that the car industry is a complete mess right now all over the world, but it’s not purely a co-incidence that the minute the EU agree to tariff-free imports from Japan, the major Japanese carmakers decide to exit the European production market.
The U.K. must be pretty close to neutral, with a lot of the smaller companies expanding.
The last numbers I saw had automobile employment down in every EU country (except Portugal) in 2018, with us having the biggest absolute fall. (Although I suspect far from the biggest percentage drop.)
It's easy to focus on the car assemblers, but more people work in suppliers and component makers than for the big firms, and they've been shedding jobs across the world.
I'd expect that percentage wise we're down the most in Europe as other countries have a higher replacement rate from new investments in Electric.
Clearly they should have got Gary Lineker on board and called themselves Centre Forward.
I wouldn't be surprised in Jug Ears isn't already a paid supporter and / or will be in their campaign video.
I recall someone on here asserting that Lineker was a Tory. Admittedly this was quite a few years ago - but his recent statements - since Election night 2017 - appear to somewhat contradict that.
Change U.K. is a complete misnomer. What they have said in public amounts to higher taxes, extension of the welfare state and staying in the EU. They could have joined the LibDems or stayed in their respective parties with that agenda. What they mean is they don’t like Corbyn or May or their policies. One can have a lot of sympathy with that but not with their agenda.
They have not said the first 2, Anna Soubry is pro austerity and lower taxes, the only thing they are united on is the third
Mr. Eagles, perhaps but that's not what I recall reading.
And I think it's weird to hear someone canvassing in my own constituency a few days ago knocking someone else who's just said they plan to vote Conservative.
Project Fear. We get it every time a Labour government looks likely.
Very telling that you just use a Boris-style attempt at put-down, rather than addressing the actual points raised. The difference between Labour prior to Corbyn, and Labour now, is massive. This is a completely different order of magnitude of threat both to the economy and our security; never in the history of modern UK politics has the main opposition party been so extreme.
The Labour 2017 Manifesto was not as leftwing as the two produced for the 1974 elections - and far more moderate than Foot's 1983 version.
Project Fear. We get it every time a Labour government looks likely.
Very telling that you just use a Boris-style attempt at put-down, rather than addressing the actual points raised. The difference between Labour prior to Corbyn, and Labour now, is massive. This is a completely different order of magnitude of threat both to the economy and our security; never in the history of modern UK politics has the main opposition party been so extreme.
Well, the Tories shouldn't have pissed me off so much then!
Mr. Rentool, what can I say? I don't subscribe to the creed of failure that is socialism.
But you subscribe to the creed of failure that is Brexit.
Both are two cheeks of the same arse.
Both leave the UK poorer and damaged, both are championed by many on the hard left.
I dont recall the hard left calling the referendum, wasnt that the failure that was Cameron ?
The hard left have been advocating withdrawal from the EC/EU from before I was born, people like the reported Soviet spy Michael Foot, Peter Shore, Barbara Castle, and Tony Benn for example.
To think the Conservatives are delivering a large chunk of Michael Foot's 1983 manifesto.
sure, but they6 didnt actually call the referendum.
That was Cameron because he couldnt manage his party and then Osborne screwed up the campaign
Nobody can manage the Tory party on the EU, it has ousted or destroyed Thatcher, Major, Cameron, and May.
The Tory split is coming, the question is not if but when.
and why - as that will determine the final state of the party and whether it's ever electable again. I suspect it isn't as ERG and their friends will take control resulting in something a lot of people won't vote for as less worse options will be available.
Mr. Rentool, what can I say? I don't subscribe to the creed of failure that is socialism.
But you subscribe to the creed of failure that is Brexit.
Both are two cheeks of the same arse.
Both leave the UK poorer and damaged, both are championed by many on the hard left.
I dont recall the hard left calling the referendum, wasnt that the failure that was Cameron ?
The hard left have been advocating withdrawal from the EC/EU from before I was born, people like the reported Soviet spy Michael Foot, Peter Shore, Barbara Castle, and Tony Benn for example.
To think the Conservatives are delivering a large chunk of Michael Foot's 1983 manifesto.
Does it matter who said what 36 years ago? Times change, and few Conservatives today have any affection for the EU
The first interview is with a lady who was arrested inDubai for calling her husbands new wife a horse. I wonder if as many listeners had sympathy for her as Emma Barnett expected. It isn't too long ago that we had criminal libel in this country. It starts right at the beginning
Was more to that harassment story than has been commonly reported, it was thousands of calls, messages, emails and social media posts over more than two years aimed at the ex-husbands new wife. Would likely have met the standard for criminal harassment in the U.K.
Brits detained abroad (or their lawyers) have now worked out that they can often get their case sped up if they can get a one-sided article about their plight in the Daily Mail.
I knew it would be. I've shot in Dubai and I know it to be a reasonably civilised country. The interviewer sounded like a hysterical schoolgirl without the capacity to look beyond the very obvious flaws and omissions in her story. It was typical of a Western attitude towards anywhere Muslim.
Most of the Brits who get in trouble in Dubai are doing things that are illegal anywhere. From recent memory: Harrasment (this case) Drunk and disorderly Public indecency Assaulting a police officer Running an unlicensed cosmetic surgery clinic from a hotel suite. Collecting money for an unlicensed charity. Drinking and driving (lots of those). Overstaying visa Financial fraud
They can't lead the thinking as their very purpose is to be stuck in the past when Blairite centre politics ruled. They seem utterly incapable of seeing what a failure that has been for so many people.
There might be those who look back on the pre-2008 period of cheap food, cheap fuel, cheap money and rising asset values with a certain nostalgia. The current economic model is producing some extraordinary official statistics but they hide, in my view, some much less palatable truths about the impact of an unending supply of cheap labour which has allowed people to be absorbed into the workforce and has acted as a brake on process-driven improvement.
We are told by Boris Johnson he has a "tide of Tory ideas" if he becomes Prime Minister but neither the Conservative nor Labour parties seem any more suited to thinking about the future than the jibe you address at Change UK.
I never said they were. But just because those parties are stuck in the past and have no new, relevant ideas for the 21st century doesn't mean the Tiggers are any better. They are not. And trying to portray themselves as some sort of fresh new broom to sweep away the old order is just going to leave them open to ridicule.
So after all that now the Democrats control the House we only get a trade deal with the US passing through Congress if we accept the backstop anyway!
Nothing in the Good Friday Agreement requires either the backstop or an open border. It is only because the media turn a blind eye to this untruth that the lie continues to live.
Clearly they should have got Gary Lineker on board and called themselves Centre Forward.
I wouldn't be surprised in Jug Ears isn't already a paid supporter and / or will be in their campaign video.
I recall someone on here asserting that Lineker was a Tory. Admittedly this was quite a few years ago - but his recent statements - since Election night 2017 - appear to somewhat contradict that.
It is, even now, for a person to be both a Tory and in favour of Remain.
Mr. Rentool, what can I say? I don't subscribe to the creed of failure that is socialism.
But you subscribe to the creed of failure that is Brexit.
Both are two cheeks of the same arse.
Both leave the UK poorer and damaged, both are championed by many on the hard left.
I dont recall the hard left calling the referendum, wasnt that the failure that was Cameron ?
The hard left have been advocating withdrawal from the EC/EU from before I was born, people like the reported Soviet spy Michael Foot, Peter Shore, Barbara Castle, and Tony Benn for example.
To think the Conservatives are delivering a large chunk of Michael Foot's 1983 manifesto.
sure, but they6 didnt actually call the referendum.
That was Cameron because he couldnt manage his party and then Osborne screwed up the campaign
Nobody can manage the Tory party on the EU, it has ousted or destroyed Thatcher, Major, Cameron, and May.
The Tory split is coming, the question is not if but when.
I wouldn't be so sure. Every step of the way the pro-EU (or less anti-EU) part of the Tory party has been defeated and then marginalised and afterwards no-one has looked back. This process is continuing. It ends with either a Conservative government fighting a De Valera style economic war against the EU, or a Conservative opposition opposing every agreement with the EU.
Where are the Conservatives advocating membership of the single currency now?
The first interview is with a lady who was arrested inDubai for calling her husbands new wife a horse. I wonder if as many listeners had sympathy for her as Emma Barnett expected. It isn't too long ago that we had criminal libel in this country. It starts right at the beginning
Was more to that harassment story than has been commonly reported, it was thousands of calls, messages, emails and social media posts over more than two years aimed at the ex-husbands new wife. Would likely have met the standard for criminal harassment in the U.K.
Brits detained abroad (or their lawyers) have now worked out that they can often get their case sped up if they can get a one-sided article about their plight in the Daily Mail.
I knew it would be. I've shot in Dubai and I know it to be a reasonably civilised country. The interviewer sounded like a hysterical schoolgirl without the capacity to look beyond the very obvious flaws and omissions in her story. It was typical of a Western attitude towards anywhere Muslim.
Most of the Brits who get in trouble in Dubai are doing things that are illegal anywhere. From recent memory: Harrasment (this case) Drunk and disorderly Public indecency Assaulting a police officer Running an unlicensed cosmetic surgery clinic from a hotel suite. Collecting money for an unlicensed charity. Drinking and driving (lots of those). Overstaying visa Financial fraud
Plenty more Brits and other Westerners in Dubai do not report rapes because they know they would face arrest for adultery if they do. The UAE is not a civilised country.
I miss the days when Harold Wilson could consider a heartfelt request from LBJ to send some troops to Vietnam, and politely tell him no.
That's Harold Wilson, btw. The man who (albeit barely) won four general elections and a European referendum. And the only PM to be a honorary President of the Royal Statistical Society...
They can't lead the thinking as their very purpose is to be stuck in the past when Blairite centre politics ruled. They seem utterly incapable of seeing what a failure that has been for so many people.
There might be those who look back on the pre-2008 period of cheap food, cheap fuel, cheap money and rising asset values with a certain nostalgia. The current economic model is producing some extraordinary official statistics but they hide, in my view, some much less palatable truths about the impact of an unending supply of cheap labour which has allowed people to be absorbed into the workforce and has acted as a brake on process-driven improvement.
We are told by Boris Johnson he has a "tide of Tory ideas" if he becomes Prime Minister but neither the Conservative nor Labour parties seem any more suited to thinking about the future than the jibe you address at Change UK.
I hated the Blair years.
I felt he was making fundamental changes to Britain and we couldn’t lay a finger on him.
Project Fear. We get it every time a Labour government looks likely.
Very telling that you just use a Boris-style attempt at put-down, rather than addressing the actual points raised. The difference between Labour prior to Corbyn, and Labour now, is massive. This is a completely different order of magnitude of threat both to the economy and our security; never in the history of modern UK politics has the main opposition party been so extreme.
The Labour 2017 Manifesto was not as leftwing as the two produced for the 1974 elections - and far more moderate than Foot's 1983 version.
Where it wasn't completely cynical it was absolutely bizarre - hundreds of billions of vague nationalisation proposals with threats of no proper compensation, continued subsidies to well-off pensioners, lies about not increasing taxes on anyone earning less than £80K (yeah, right!), lies about student loans, measures intended to take us back to the desperate 1970s position on unions being allowed to intimidate the public, and, despite all the hundreds of billions being hosed around, continued austerity for the most vulnerable recipients of welfare.
Mr. Rentool, what can I say? I don't subscribe to the creed of failure that is socialism.
But you subscribe to the creed of failure that is Brexit.
Both are two cheeks of the same arse.
Both leave the UK poorer and damaged, both are championed by many on the hard left.
I dont recall the hard left calling the referendum, wasnt that the failure that was Cameron ?
The hard left have been advocating withdrawal from the EC/EU from before I was born, people like the reported Soviet spy Michael Foot, Peter Shore, Barbara Castle, and Tony Benn for example.
To think the Conservatives are delivering a large chunk of Michael Foot's 1983 manifesto.
sure, but they6 didnt actually call the referendum.
That was Cameron because he couldnt manage his party and then Osborne screwed up the campaign
Nobody can manage the Tory party on the EU, it has ousted or destroyed Thatcher, Major, Cameron, and May.
The Tory split is coming, the question is not if but when.
I wouldn't be so sure. Every step of the way the pro-EU (or less anti-EU) part of the Tory party has been defeated and then marginalised and afterwards no-one has looked back. This process is continuing. It ends with either a Conservative government fighting a De Valera style economic war against the EU, or a Conservative opposition opposing every agreement with the EU.
Where are the Conservatives advocating membership of the single currency now?
It ends with the Conservative Party uniting around a position of the UK being in charge of its own laws and immigration policy, just like most countries in the world. There is nothing extreme about that and it is the naturally conservative position.
Project Fear. We get it every time a Labour government looks likely.
Very telling that you just use a Boris-style attempt at put-down, rather than addressing the actual points raised. The difference between Labour prior to Corbyn, and Labour now, is massive. This is a completely different order of magnitude of threat both to the economy and our security; never in the history of modern UK politics has the main opposition party been so extreme.
Well, the Tories shouldn't have pissed me off so much then!
You want to cut off your nose to spite your face.
No, just to punish the Tories via the ballot box.
I voted Tory in 2010, and supported the Coalition, but will not be doing so again.
So after all that now the Democrats control the House we only get a trade deal with the US passing through Congress if we accept the backstop anyway!
But if we accept the Backstop we stay in the Customs Union and therefore don't get to negotiate trade deals anyway - a real bugger's muddle. The Brexit dream is dying before our eyes.
Mr. Rentool, what can I say? I don't subscribe to the creed of failure that is socialism.
But you subscribe to the creed of failure that is Brexit.
Both are two cheeks of the same arse.
Both leave the UK poorer and damaged, both are championed by many on the hard left.
I dont recall the hard left calling the referendum, wasnt that the failure that was Cameron ?
The hard left have been advocating withdrawal from the EC/EU from before I was born, people like the reported Soviet spy Michael Foot, Peter Shore, Barbara Castle, and Tony Benn for example.
To think the Conservatives are delivering a large chunk of Michael Foot's 1983 manifesto.
Does it matter who said what 36 years ago? Times change, and few Conservatives today have any affection for the EU
The EU would do well to ask why rather than shooting the messenger.
I miss the days when Harold Wilson could consider a heartfelt request from LBJ to send some troops to Vietnam, and politely tell him no.
That's Harold Wilson, btw. The man who (albeit barely) won four general elections and a European referendum. And the only PM to be a honorary President of the Royal Statistical Society...
So after all that now the Democrats control the House we only get a trade deal with the US passing through Congress if we accept the backstop anyway!
Not that we would want a trade deal with the USA in any case.
The best future for us is in the CPTPP. It includes Japan, Australia and Canada. It has a good balance of rich and developing country interests and between services and goods. It does not have any of the US poison pills. It respects national sovereignty. It will be the natural foundation that the world will build on, away from the bullying positions of the EU and US.
I wouldn't be so sure. Every step of the way the pro-EU (or less anti-EU) part of the Tory party has been defeated and then marginalised and afterwards no-one has looked back. This process is continuing. It ends with either a Conservative government fighting a De Valera style economic war against the EU, or a Conservative opposition opposing every agreement with the EU.
Where are the Conservatives advocating membership of the single currency now?
and why - as that will determine the final state of the party and whether it's ever electable again. I suspect it isn't as ERG and their friends will take control resulting in something a lot of people won't vote for as less worse options will be available.
This is why I want No Deal.
It'll settle the European question once and for all and destroy the UK's Eurosceptic movement in the process.
Remember when the appeasers were in power and the likes of Churchill were in exile.
Ultimately Churchill was vindicated and the appeasers were destroyed.
I wouldn't be so sure. Every step of the way the pro-EU (or less anti-EU) part of the Tory party has been defeated and then marginalised and afterwards no-one has looked back. This process is continuing. It ends with either a Conservative government fighting a De Valera style economic war against the EU, or a Conservative opposition opposing every agreement with the EU.
Where are the Conservatives advocating membership of the single currency now?
and why - as that will determine the final state of the party and whether it's ever electable again. I suspect it isn't as ERG and their friends will take control resulting in something a lot of people won't vote for as less worse options will be available.
This is why I want No Deal.
It'll settle the European question once and for all and destroy the UK's Eurosceptic movement in the process.
Remember when the appeasers were in power and the likes of Churchill were in exile.
Ultimately Churchill was vindicated and the appeasers were destroyed.
That's what I'm hoping for.
Euroscepticism delenda est.
An end to Euroscepticism means an end to British Conservatism.
Project Fear. We get it every time a Labour government looks likely.
Very telling that you just use a Boris-style attempt at put-down, rather than addressing the actual points raised. The difference between Labour prior to Corbyn, and Labour now, is massive. This is a completely different order of magnitude of threat both to the economy and our security; never in the history of modern UK politics has the main opposition party been so extreme.
The Labour 2017 Manifesto was not as leftwing as the two produced for the 1974 elections - and far more moderate than Foot's 1983 version.
Where it wasn't completely cynical it was absolutely bizarre - hundreds of billions of vague nationalisation proposals with threats of no proper compensation, continued subsidies to well-off pensioners, lies about not increasing taxes on anyone earning less than £80K (yeah, right!), lies about student loans, measures intended to take us back to the desperate 1970s position on unions being allowed to intimidate the public, and, despite all the hundreds of billions being hosed around, continued austerity for the most vulnerable recipients of welfare.
I might concede your 1983 point, though.
But the 2017 Manifesto made no mention of restoring the National Enterprise Board - nor was there any suggestion that the 'Closed Shop' be brought back whilst at the same time getting rid of Strike Ballots etc.
Project Fear. We get it every time a Labour government looks likely.
Very telling that you just use a Boris-style attempt at put-down, rather than addressing the actual points raised. The difference between Labour prior to Corbyn, and Labour now, is massive. This is a completely different order of magnitude of threat both to the economy and our security; never in the history of modern UK politics has the main opposition party been so extreme.
Well, the Tories shouldn't have pissed me off so much then!
You want to cut off your nose to spite your face.
No, just to punish the Tories via the ballot box.
I voted Tory in 2010, and supported the Coalition, but will not be doing so again.
I’m aware of that.
You’re very emotional and motivated by political revenge.
You won’t like the consequences. But, right now, you’re blind to them.
They can't lead the thinking as their very purpose is to be stuck in the past when Blairite centre politics ruled. They seem utterly incapable of seeing what a failure that has been for so many people.
There might be those who look back on the pre-2008 period of cheap food, cheap fuel, cheap money and rising asset values with a certain nostalgia. The current economic model is producing some extraordinary official statistics but they hide, in my view, some much less palatable truths about the impact of an unending supply of cheap labour which has allowed people to be absorbed into the workforce and has acted as a brake on process-driven improvement.
We are told by Boris Johnson he has a "tide of Tory ideas" if he becomes Prime Minister but neither the Conservative nor Labour parties seem any more suited to thinking about the future than the jibe you address at Change UK.
I hated the Blair years.
I felt he was making fundamental changes to Britain and we couldn’t lay a finger on him.
That's one part of the answer to your 'why?' question. Why the Tory party lost its mind, that is.
Project Fear. We get it every time a Labour government looks likely.
Very telling that you just use a Boris-style attempt at put-down, rather than addressing the actual points raised. The difference between Labour prior to Corbyn, and Labour now, is massive. This is a completely different order of magnitude of threat both to the economy and our security; never in the history of modern UK politics has the main opposition party been so extreme.
The Labour 2017 Manifesto was not as leftwing as the two produced for the 1974 elections - and far more moderate than Foot's 1983 version.
Where it wasn't completely cynical it was absolutely bizarre - hundreds of billions of vague nationalisation proposals with threats of no proper compensation, continued subsidies to well-off pensioners, lies about not increasing taxes on anyone earning less than £80K (yeah, right!), lies about student loans, measures intended to take us back to the desperate 1970s position on unions being allowed to intimidate the public, and, despite all the hundreds of billions being hosed around, continued austerity for the most vulnerable recipients of welfare.
I might concede your 1983 point, though.
It won’t take many years of socialist inflation before £80k is minimum wage.
I wouldn't be so sure. Every step of the way the pro-EU (or less anti-EU) part of the Tory party has been defeated and then marginalised and afterwards no-one has looked back. This process is continuing. It ends with either a Conservative government fighting a De Valera style economic war against the EU, or a Conservative opposition opposing every agreement with the EU.
Where are the Conservatives advocating membership of the single currency now?
and why - as that will determine the final state of the party and whether it's ever electable again. I suspect it isn't as ERG and their friends will take control resulting in something a lot of people won't vote for as less worse options will be available.
This is why I want No Deal.
It'll settle the European question once and for all and destroy the UK's Eurosceptic movement in the process.
Remember when the appeasers were in power and the likes of Churchill were in exile.
Ultimately Churchill was vindicated and the appeasers were destroyed.
That's what I'm hoping for.
Euroscepticism delenda est.
An end to Euroscepticism means an end to British Conservatism.
Nah, it might mean the end of the Conservative Party, but not British Conservatism.
Unashamedly free market policies, coupled with fiscal conservatism, social liberalism, multilateralism, such as underpinning NATO, would still be popular.
Mr. Rentool, what can I say? I don't subscribe to the creed of failure that is socialism.
But you subscribe to the creed of failure that is Brexit.
Both are two cheeks of the same arse.
Both leave the UK poorer and damaged, both are championed by many on the hard left.
I dont recall the hard left calling the referendum, wasnt that the failure that was Cameron ?
The hard left have been advocating withdrawal from the EC/EU from before I was born, people like the reported Soviet spy Michael Foot, Peter Shore, Barbara Castle, and Tony Benn for example.
To think the Conservatives are delivering a large chunk of Michael Foot's 1983 manifesto.
sure, but they6 didnt actually call the referendum.
That was Cameron because he couldnt manage his party and then Osborne screwed up the campaign
Nobody can manage the Tory party on the EU, it has ousted or destroyed Thatcher, Major, Cameron, and May.
The Tory split is coming, the question is not if but when.
I wouldn't be so sure. Every step of the way the pro-EU (or less anti-EU) part of the Tory party has been defeated and then marginalised and afterwards no-one has looked back. This process is continuing. It ends with either a Conservative government fighting a De Valera style economic war against the EU, or a Conservative opposition opposing every agreement with the EU.
Where are the Conservatives advocating membership of the single currency now?
There won’t be any absolute victory either which way.
Even if we get Corbyn and/or revoke there is now a very large hard eurosceptic part of the electorate that will tell at some point in a GE in the future and reopen it.
I wouldn't be so sure. Every step of the way the pro-EU (or less anti-EU) part of the Tory party has been defeated and then marginalised and afterwards no-one has looked back. This process is continuing. It ends with either a Conservative government fighting a De Valera style economic war against the EU, or a Conservative opposition opposing every agreement with the EU.
Where are the Conservatives advocating membership of the single currency now?
and why - as that will determine the final state of the party and whether it's ever electable again. I suspect it isn't as ERG and their friends will take control resulting in something a lot of people won't vote for as less worse options will be available.
This is why I want No Deal.
It'll settle the European question once and for all and destroy the UK's Eurosceptic movement in the process.
Remember when the appeasers were in power and the likes of Churchill were in exile.
Ultimately Churchill was vindicated and the appeasers were destroyed.
That's what I'm hoping for.
Euroscepticism delenda est.
An end to Euroscepticism means an end to British Conservatism.
Nah, it might mean the end of the Conservative Party, but not British Conservatism.
Unashamedly free market policies, coupled with fiscal conservatism, social liberalism, multilateralism, such as underpinning NATO, would still be popular.
I’m up for almost all of that, but that’s not the issue Conservatives have with the EU.
I wouldn't be so sure. Every step of the way the pro-EU (or less anti-EU) part of the Tory party has been defeated and then marginalised and afterwards no-one has looked back. This process is continuing. It ends with either a Conservative government fighting a De Valera style economic war against the EU, or a Conservative opposition opposing every agreement with the EU.
Where are the Conservatives advocating membership of the single currency now?
and why - as that will determine the final state of the party and whether it's ever electable again. I suspect it isn't as ERG and their friends will take control resulting in something a lot of people won't vote for as less worse options will be available.
This is why I want No Deal.
It'll settle the European question once and for all and destroy the UK's Eurosceptic movement in the process.
Remember when the appeasers were in power and the likes of Churchill were in exile.
Ultimately Churchill was vindicated and the appeasers were destroyed.
That's what I'm hoping for.
Euroscepticism delenda est.
An end to Euroscepticism means an end to British Conservatism.
Nah, it might mean the end of the Conservative Party, but not British Conservatism.
Unashamedly free market policies, coupled with fiscal conservatism, social liberalism, multilateralism, such as underpinning NATO, would still be popular.
I wouldn't be so sure. Every step of the way the pro-EU (or less anti-EU) part of the Tory party has been defeated and then marginalised and afterwards no-one has looked back. This process is continuing. It ends with either a Conservative government fighting a De Valera style economic war against the EU, or a Conservative opposition opposing every agreement with the EU.
Where are the Conservatives advocating membership of the single currency now?
and why - as that will determine the final state of the party and whether it's ever electable again. I suspect it isn't as ERG and their friends will take control resulting in something a lot of people won't vote for as less worse options will be available.
This is why I want No Deal.
It'll settle the European question once and for all and destroy the UK's Eurosceptic movement in the process.
Remember when the appeasers were in power and the likes of Churchill were in exile.
Ultimately Churchill was vindicated and the appeasers were destroyed.
That's what I'm hoping for.
Euroscepticism delenda est.
An end to Euroscepticism means an end to British Conservatism.
Nah, it might mean the end of the Conservative Party, but not British Conservatism.
Unashamedly free market policies, coupled with fiscal conservatism, social liberalism, multilateralism, such as underpinning NATO, would still be popular.
I’m up for almost all of that, but that’s not the issue Conservatives have with the EU.
Mr. Rentool, what can I say? I don't subscribe to the creed of failure that is socialism.
But you subscribe to the creed of failure that is Brexit.
Both are two cheeks of the same arse.
Both leave the UK poorer and damaged, both are championed by many on the hard left.
I dont recall the hard left calling the referendum, wasnt that the failure that was Cameron ?
The hard left have been advocating withdrawal from the EC/EU from before I was born, people like the reported Soviet spy Michael Foot, Peter Shore, Barbara Castle, and Tony Benn for example.
To think the Conservatives are delivering a large chunk of Michael Foot's 1983 manifesto.
sure, but they6 didnt actually call the referendum.
That was Cameron because he couldnt manage his party and then Osborne screwed up the campaign
Nobody can manage the Tory party on the EU, it has ousted or destroyed Thatcher, Major, Cameron, and May.
The Tory split is coming, the question is not if but when.
I wouldn't be so sure. Every step of the way the pro-EU (or less anti-EU) part of the Tory party has been defeated and then marginalised and afterwards no-one has looked back. This process is continuing. It ends with either a Conservative government fighting a De Valera style economic war against the EU, or a Conservative opposition opposing every agreement with the EU.
Where are the Conservatives advocating membership of the single currency now?
It ends with the Conservative Party uniting around a position of the UK being in charge of its own laws and immigration policy, just like most countries in the world. There is nothing extreme about that and it is the naturally conservative position.
But the 2017 Manifesto made no mention of restoring the National Enterprise Board - nor was there any suggestion that the 'Closed Shop' be brought back whilst at the same time getting rid of Strike Ballots etc.
Actually I think the National Enterprise Board was there, renamed the National Investment Bank (£250bn over 10 years in that little baby alone!), and also the National Transformation Fund (another £250bn!)
I wouldn't be so sure. Every step of the way the pro-EU (or less anti-EU) part of the Tory party has been defeated and then marginalised and afterwards no-one has looked back. This process is continuing. It ends with either a Conservative government fighting a De Valera style economic war against the EU, or a Conservative opposition opposing every agreement with the EU.
Where are the Conservatives advocating membership of the single currency now?
and why - as that will determine the final state of the party and whether it's ever electable again. I suspect it isn't as ERG and their friends will take control resulting in something a lot of people won't vote for as less worse options will be available.
This is why I want No Deal.
It'll settle the European question once and for all and destroy the UK's Eurosceptic movement in the process.
Remember when the appeasers were in power and the likes of Churchill were in exile.
Ultimately Churchill was vindicated and the appeasers were destroyed.
That's what I'm hoping for.
Euroscepticism delenda est.
An end to Euroscepticism means an end to British Conservatism.
Nah, it might mean the end of the Conservative Party, but not British Conservatism.
Unashamedly free market policies, coupled with fiscal conservatism, social liberalism, multilateralism, such as underpinning NATO, would still be popular.
EU Pirate Island is probably as much a niche section of the voters as Brexit Pirate Island..
I wouldn't be so sure. Every step of the way the pro-EU (or less anti-EU) part of the Tory party has been defeated and then marginalised and afterwards no-one has looked back. This process is continuing. It ends with either a Conservative government fighting a De Valera style economic war against the EU, or a Conservative opposition opposing every agreement with the EU.
Where are the Conservatives advocating membership of the single currency now?
and why - as that will determine the final state of the party and whether it's ever electable again. I suspect it isn't as ERG and their friends will take control resulting in something a lot of people won't vote for as less worse options will be available.
This is why I want No Deal.
It'll settle the European question once and for all and destroy the UK's Eurosceptic movement in the process.
Remember when the appeasers were in power and the likes of Churchill were in exile.
Ultimately Churchill was vindicated and the appeasers were destroyed.
That's what I'm hoping for.
Euroscepticism delenda est.
An end to Euroscepticism means an end to British Conservatism.
Nah, it might mean the end of the Conservative Party, but not British Conservatism.
Unashamedly free market policies, coupled with fiscal conservatism, social liberalism, multilateralism, such as underpinning NATO, would still be popular.
That is libertarianism. Not conservatism.
It's the kind of Conservatism Mrs Thatcher largely delivered as Prime Minister.
The first interview is with a lady who was arrested inDubai for calling her husbands new wife a horse. I wonder if as many listeners had sympathy for her as Emma Barnett expected. It isn't too long ago that we had criminal libel in this country. It starts right at the beginning
Was more to that harassment story than has been commonly reported, it was thousands of calls, messages, emails and social media posts over more than two years aimed at the ex-husbands new wife. Would likely have met the standard for criminal harassment in the U.K.
Brits detained abroad (or their lawyers) have now worked out that they can often get their case sped up if they can get a one-sided article about their plight in the Daily Mail.
I knew it would be. I've shot in Dubai and I know it to be a reasonably civilised country. The interviewer sounded like a hysterical schoolgirl without the capacity to look beyond the very obvious flaws and omissions in her story. It was typical of a Western attitude towards anywhere Muslim.
Most of the Brits who get in trouble in Dubai are doing things that are illegal anywhere. From recent memory: Harrasment (this case) Drunk and disorderly Public indecency Assaulting a police officer Running an unlicensed cosmetic surgery clinic from a hotel suite. Collecting money for an unlicensed charity. Drinking and driving (lots of those). Overstaying visa Financial fraud
Plenty more Brits and other Westerners in Dubai do not report rapes because they know they would face arrest for adultery if they do. The UAE is not a civilised country.
Yes adultery is illegal, as is rape. The middle ground is in the sort of cases that start with two drunk individuals in an hotel room. That middle ground is different between the UK and UAE in the way it’s dealt with legally.
I wouldn't be so sure. Every step of the way the pro-EU (or less anti-EU) part of the Tory party has been defeated and then marginalised and afterwards no-one has looked back. This process is continuing. It ends with either a Conservative government fighting a De Valera style economic war against the EU, or a Conservative opposition opposing every agreement with the EU.
Where are the Conservatives advocating membership of the single currency now?
and why - as that will determine the final state of the party and whether it's ever electable again. I suspect it isn't as ERG and their friends will take control resulting in something a lot of people won't vote for as less worse options will be available.
This is why I want No Deal.
It'll settle the European question once and for all and destroy the UK's Eurosceptic movement in the process.
Remember when the appeasers were in power and the likes of Churchill were in exile.
Ultimately Churchill was vindicated and the appeasers were destroyed.
That's what I'm hoping for.
Euroscepticism delenda est.
An end to Euroscepticism means an end to British Conservatism.
Nah, it might mean the end of the Conservative Party, but not British Conservatism.
Unashamedly free market policies, coupled with fiscal conservatism, social liberalism, multilateralism, such as underpinning NATO, would still be popular.
I’m up for almost all of that, but that’s not the issue Conservatives have with the EU.
They need educating.
When you explain to them the single market was Thatcher's brainchild then they'll love the EU.
So after all that now the Democrats control the House we only get a trade deal with the US passing through Congress if we accept the backstop anyway!
Not that we would want a trade deal with the USA in any case.
The best future for us is in the CPTPP. It includes Japan, Australia and Canada. It has a good balance of rich and developing country interests and between services and goods. It does not have any of the US poison pills. It respects national sovereignty. It will be the natural foundation that the world will build on, away from the bullying positions of the EU and US.
Mr. Rentool, what can I say? I don't subscribe to the creed of failure that is socialism.
But you subscribe to the creed of failure that is Brexit.
Both are two cheeks of the same arse.
Both leave the UK poorer and damaged, both are championed by many on the hard left.
I dont recall the hard left calling the referendum, wasnt that the failure that was Cameron ?
The hard left have been advocating withdrawal from the EC/EU from before I was born, people like the reported Soviet spy Michael Foot, Peter Shore, Barbara Castle, and Tony Benn for example.
To think the Conservatives are delivering a large chunk of Michael Foot's 1983 manifesto.
sure, but they6 didnt actually call the referendum.
That was Cameron because he couldnt manage his party and then Osborne screwed up the campaign
Nobody can manage the Tory party on the EU, it has ousted or destroyed Thatcher, Major, Cameron, and May.
The Tory split is coming, the question is not if but when.
I wouldn't be so sure. Every step of the way the pro-EU (or less anti-EU) part of the Tory party has been defeated and then marginalised and afterwards no-one has looked back. This process is continuing. It ends with either a Conservative government fighting a De Valera style economic war against the EU, or a Conservative opposition opposing every agreement with the EU.
Where are the Conservatives advocating membership of the single currency now?
It ends with the Conservative Party uniting around a position of the UK being in charge of its own laws and immigration policy, just like most countries in the world. There is nothing extreme about that and it is the naturally conservative position.
They can't lead the thinking as their very purpose is to be stuck in the past when Blairite centre politics ruled. They seem utterly incapable of seeing what a failure that has been for so many people.
There might be those who look back on the pre-2008 period of cheap food, cheap fuel, cheap money and rising asset values with a certain nostalgia. The current economic model is producing some extraordinary official statistics but they hide, in my view, some much less palatable truths about the impact of an unending supply of cheap labour which has allowed people to be absorbed into the workforce and has acted as a brake on process-driven improvement.
We are told by Boris Johnson he has a "tide of Tory ideas" if he becomes Prime Minister but neither the Conservative nor Labour parties seem any more suited to thinking about the future than the jibe you address at Change UK.
I hated the BlairThatcher years.
I felt heshe was making fundamental changes to Britain and we couldn’t lay a finger on him her .
I wouldn't be so sure. Every step of the way the pro-EU (or less anti-EU) part of the Tory party has been defeated and then marginalised and afterwards no-one has looked back. This process is continuing. It ends with either a Conservative government fighting a De Valera style economic war against the EU, or a Conservative opposition opposing every agreement with the EU.
Where are the Conservatives advocating membership of the single currency now?
and why - as that will determine the final state of the party and whether it's ever electable again. I suspect it isn't as ERG and their friends will take control resulting in something a lot of people won't vote for as less worse options will be available.
This is why I want No Deal.
It'll settle the European question once and for all and destroy the UK's Eurosceptic movement in the process.
Remember when the appeasers were in power and the likes of Churchill were in exile.
Ultimately Churchill was vindicated and the appeasers were destroyed.
That's what I'm hoping for.
Euroscepticism delenda est.
An end to Euroscepticism means an end to British Conservatism.
Nah, it might mean the end of the Conservative Party, but not British Conservatism.
Unashamedly free market policies, coupled with fiscal conservatism, social liberalism, multilateralism, such as underpinning NATO, would still be popular.
I’m up for almost all of that, but that’s not the issue Conservatives have with the EU.
They need educating.
When you explain to them the single market was Thatcher's brainchild then they'll love the EU.
TIG was a good name and I've heard non political people mention it. The direction I would have gone with them would have been to stay as an independent grouping rather than try to be a full party and try to get local moderate independents to stand for them across the country. Maybe with an emphasis on people who haven't been in politics before like Sarah Wollaston. I would also have entered a pact with the Lib Dems, but not the Greens in these European Elections.
I can't see much commonality between the Tiggers and Greens. None of the Tiggers strike me as eco-socialists.
Yes, it's an odd thing that although the Greens are ideologically Corbyn on steroids, they're seen by many as a good option if you're a centrist and rather like the environment.
The real TIG problem is the lack of coherent identity. What do Anna Soubry and Chuka agree on, apart from Europe and a vague commitment to centrism?
Mr. Rentool, what can I say? I don't subscribe to the creed of failure that is socialism.
But you subscribe to the creed of failure that is Brexit.
Both are two cheeks of the same arse.
Both leave the UK poorer and damaged, both are championed by many on the hard left.
I dont recall the hard left calling the referendum, wasnt that the failure that was Cameron ?
The hard left have been advocating withdrawal from the EC/EU from before I was born, people like the reported Soviet spy Michael Foot, Peter Shore, Barbara Castle, and Tony Benn for example.
To think the Conservatives are delivering a large chunk of Michael Foot's 1983 manifesto.
sure, but they6 didnt actually call the referendum.
That was Cameron because he couldnt manage his party and then Osborne screwed up the campaign
Nobody can manage the Tory party on the EU, it has ousted or destroyed Thatcher, Major, Cameron, and May.
The Tory split is coming, the question is not if but when.
I wouldn't be so sure. Every step of the way the pro-EU (or less anti-EU) part of the Tory party has been defeated and then marginalised and afterwards no-one has looked back. This process is continuing. It ends with either a Conservative government fighting a De Valera style economic war against the EU, or a Conservative opposition opposing every agreement with the EU.
Where are the Conservatives advocating membership of the single currency now?
It ends with the Conservative Party uniting around a position of the UK being in charge of its own laws and immigration policy, just like most countries in the world. There is nothing extreme about that and it is the naturally conservative position.
And the UK ends up comparable with Tanzania.
I believe the UK is capable of being a rich, developed country with a democratic, non-corrupt culture just as Canada and Australia are.
1. Job losses are very rarely announced, relative to job increases 2. Car ownership is in decline across the developed world 3. Automation is relentless 4. Electric cars need fewer people in automotive production (and servicing)
Fretting about the job prospects for companies like Nissan, Honda, and Ford is a bit like people worrying what would happen to Honeywell, NCR, ICL and the like when the microprocessor came along.
Very simply put in 10-20 years time many of the world's largest car companies will likely be toast, if not bust they'll have merged or broken up. I don't know which companies will be winners, which companies will survive, or where the next automotive giant will come from, but I'm absolutely certain that the automotive world will change from top to bottom.
Instead of worrying about what the incumbents are doing we should worry about whether the UK will be home to the disruptors.
They can't lead the thinking as their very purpose is to be stuck in the past when Blairite centre politics ruled. They seem utterly incapable of seeing what a failure that has been for so many people.
There might be those who look back on the pre-2008 period of cheap food, cheap fuel, cheap money and rising asset values with a certain nostalgia. The current economic model is producing some extraordinary official statistics but they hide, in my view, some much less palatable truths about the impact of an unending supply of cheap labour which has allowed people to be absorbed into the workforce and has acted as a brake on process-driven improvement.
We are told by Boris Johnson he has a "tide of Tory ideas" if he becomes Prime Minister but neither the Conservative nor Labour parties seem any more suited to thinking about the future than the jibe you address at Change UK.
I hated the BlairThatcher years.
I felt heshe was making fundamental changes to Britain and we couldn’t lay a finger on him her .
I wouldn't be so sure. Every step of the way the pro-EU (or less anti-EU) part of the Tory party has been defeated and then marginalised and afterwards no-one has looked back. This process is continuing. It ends with either a Conservative government fighting a De Valera style economic war against the EU, or a Conservative opposition opposing every agreement with the EU.
Where are the Conservatives advocating membership of the single currency now?
and why - as that will determine the final state of the party and whether it's ever electable again. I suspect it isn't as ERG and their friends will take control resulting in something a lot of people won't vote for as less worse options will be available.
This is why I want No Deal.
It'll settle the European question once and for all and destroy the UK's Eurosceptic movement in the process.
Remember when the appeasers were in power and the likes of Churchill were in exile.
Ultimately Churchill was vindicated and the appeasers were destroyed.
That's what I'm hoping for.
Euroscepticism delenda est.
An end to Euroscepticism means an end to British Conservatism.
Nah, it might mean the end of the Conservative Party, but not British Conservatism.
Unashamedly free market policies, coupled with fiscal conservatism, social liberalism, multilateralism, such as underpinning NATO, would still be popular.
You mean 'Open capitalist economy, pro-immigration, pro-single market, supportive of a low tax economy; business friendly, internationalist, compassionate view of society.'? 6% of voters. If you manage to tack on 'Strong faith in the market, little interest in socially conservative ideas; strongly pro-business, the most opposed to the welfare state.' then you double your appeal to 13% of the electorate. A recipe for permanent opposition.
Mr. Rentool, what can I say? I don't subscribe to the creed of failure that is socialism.
But you subscribe to the creed of failure that is Brexit.
Both are two cheeks of the same arse.
Both leave the UK poorer and damaged, both are championed by many on the hard left.
I dont recall the hard left calling the referendum, wasnt that the failure that was Cameron ?
The hard left have been advocating withdrawal from the EC/EU from before I was born, people like the reported Soviet spy Michael Foot, Peter Shore, Barbara Castle, and Tony Benn for example.
To think the Conservatives are delivering a large chunk of Michael Foot's 1983 manifesto.
sure, but they6 didnt actually call the referendum.
That was Cameron because he couldnt manage his party and then Osborne screwed up the campaign
Nobody can manage the Tory party on the EU, it has ousted or destroyed Thatcher, Major, Cameron, and May.
The Tory split is coming, the question is not if but when.
I wouldn't be so sure. Every step of the way the pro-EU (or less anti-EU) part of the Tory party has been defeated and then marginalised and afterwards no-one has looked back. This process is continuing. It ends with either a Conservative government fighting a De Valera style economic war against the EU, or a Conservative opposition opposing every agreement with the EU.
Where are the Conservatives advocating membership of the single currency now?
It ends with the Conservative Party uniting around a position of the UK being in charge of its own laws and immigration policy, just like most countries in the world. There is nothing extreme about that and it is the naturally conservative position.
And the UK ends up comparable with Tanzania.
I believe the UK is capable of being a rich, developed country with a democratic, non-corrupt culture just as Canada and Australia are.
It already is. But a death cult seems determined to inflict as much damage as possible on it in pursuance of a mad hobbyhorse.
The lead is somewhat misleading. The issue isn't that the logo or emblem isn't well known - which would be a ridiculous ruling since any new party and new logo will be definition be unknown. The issue is that the "TIG" acronym isn't well known and doesn't relate to the registered name of the party.
I’m more uncomfortable with them being allowed to register “change” as their party name
It’s a powerful political argument “time for change” that by default is being denied to every other party.
Given that nationalised railways are the mainstream default position in London, France, Germany, Italy, Spain and Northern Ireland, it’s hardly an extreme position as you suggest. The difference with our bonkers franchising model is that we allow other countries to own networks but not our own (except when the privateers frequently fuck everything up, a la East Coast).
That might be an argument, if Labour's only controversial proposal was nationalising railways.
And you don't seem to realise that many EU countries have privatised parts of their networks, and that the EU is taking steps to increase competition:
I’m quite aware of that, alongside state owned railways. Here, we only allow state owned franchises in London or when the private sector makes a frequent hash of things, a la East Coast. That’s an extreme doctrinaire position.
And in the case of the East Coast line the service is poorer under public ownership and investment is stagnating whilst in London TfL are billions in debt. Not exactly great adverts for public ownership.
It already is. But a death cult seems determined to inflict as much damage as possible on it in pursuance of a mad hobbyhorse.
I can only assume you would be talking about Corbyn and Labour as there is no evidence for anything else that fits the description except in your own delusions.
Mr. Rentool, what can I say? I don't subscribe to the creed of failure that is socialism.
But you subscribe to the creed of failure that is Brexit.
Both are two cheeks of the same arse.
Both leave the UK poorer and damaged, both are championed by many on the hard left.
I dont recall the hard left calling the referendum, wasnt that the failure that was Cameron ?
The hard left have been advocating withdrawal from the EC/EU from before I was born, people like the reported Soviet spy Michael Foot, Peter Shore, Barbara Castle, and Tony Benn for example.
To think the Conservatives are delivering a large chunk of Michael Foot's 1983 manifesto.
sure, but they6 didnt actually call the referendum.
That was Cameron because he couldnt manage his party and then Osborne screwed up the campaign
Nobody can manage the Tory party on the EU, it has ousted or destroyed Thatcher, Major, Cameron, and May.
The Tory split is coming, the question is not if but when.
I wouldn't be so sure. Every step of the way the pro-EU (or less anti-EU) part of the Tory party has been defeated and then marginalised and afterwards no-one has looked back. This process is continuing. It ends with either a Conservative government fighting a De Valera style economic war against the EU, or a Conservative opposition opposing every agreement with the EU.
Where are the Conservatives advocating membership of the single currency now?
It ends with the Conservative Party uniting around a position of the UK being in charge of its own laws and immigration policy, just like most countries in the world. There is nothing extreme about that and it is the naturally conservative position.
Brilliant, fully support it. All UK media must be owned by resident UK persons who takes full personal responsibility for obeying UK laws including payment of all taxes to HMRC. Similar rules would apply to all significant and important businesses in the national interest. Rule Britannia, Britannia rules the waves. Britons never will be slaves - of foreign financial interests. Mind, Murdoch, Harmsworth, the Terrible Telegraph Twins, Branson and many others wouldn't like the idea....
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Having said that, there's not much damage so far, rather surprisingly.
It's easy to focus on the car assemblers, but more people work in suppliers and component makers than for the big firms, and they've been shedding jobs across the world.
Both are two cheeks of the same arse.
Both leave the UK poorer and damaged, both are championed by many on the hard left.
Would be nice if there was a sensible party for them to join, like Labour or Conservative. Shame that's the problem instead of the solution.
And you don't seem to realise that many EU countries have privatised parts of their networks, and that the EU is taking steps to increase competition:
https://www.railjournal.com/in_depth/the-fourth-railway-package-magic-bullet-or-missed-opportunity
https://twitter.com/AaronBastani/status/1118138668064153602
Was at a play centre today, and had a wonderful conversation with a lady who has fostered over 50 under 3-year olds in the last couple of decades.
Some people are pure gems. And we did not mention politics once.
To think the Conservatives are delivering a large chunk of Michael Foot's 1983 manifesto.
I don't see any party doing serious work regarding the socio-economic and cultural impact of climate change or the challenge AI will bring. These will be huge issues in a generation if not sooner.
I see more thinking in local councils if I'm honest.
That was Cameron because he couldnt manage his party and then Osborne screwed up the campaign
It's also an interesting line for someone who's pro-Conservative to attack someone who's just said they're (as things stand) a nailed-on Conservative voter at the next General Election. You were canvassing this very constituency a few days ago...
The Tory split is coming, the question is not if but when.
I find an insistence on renationalisation a much more extreme doctrinaire position.
1. Job losses are very rarely announced, relative to job increases
2. Car ownership is in decline across the developed world
3. Automation is relentless
4. Electric cars need fewer people in automotive production (and servicing)
http://www.tuaeu.co.uk/eu-seals-mass-rail-privatisation/
In that instance we wouldn't be the only ones leaving which would have made the whole process easier. Or more likely the Swedes, Danes, ourselves, and a few others would have become associate members.
And I think it's weird to hear someone canvassing in my own constituency a few days ago knocking someone else who's just said they plan to vote Conservative.
Harrasment (this case)
Drunk and disorderly
Public indecency
Assaulting a police officer
Running an unlicensed cosmetic surgery clinic from a hotel suite.
Collecting money for an unlicensed charity.
Drinking and driving (lots of those).
Overstaying visa
Financial fraud
It wants to change the UK back to the Blairite consensus of the mid noughties.
Based on that video her knowledge of Irish history is rather limited.
Where are the Conservatives advocating membership of the single currency now?
That's Harold Wilson, btw. The man who (albeit barely) won four general elections and a European referendum. And the only PM to be a honorary President of the Royal Statistical Society...
I felt he was making fundamental changes to Britain and we couldn’t lay a finger on him.
I might concede your 1983 point, though.
I voted Tory in 2010, and supported the Coalition, but will not be doing so again.
It'll settle the European question once and for all and destroy the UK's Eurosceptic movement in the process.
Remember when the appeasers were in power and the likes of Churchill were in exile.
Ultimately Churchill was vindicated and the appeasers were destroyed.
That's what I'm hoping for.
Euroscepticism delenda est.
You’re very emotional and motivated by political revenge.
You won’t like the consequences. But, right now, you’re blind to them.
Unashamedly free market policies, coupled with fiscal conservatism, social liberalism, multilateralism, such as underpinning NATO, would still be popular.
Even if we get Corbyn and/or revoke there is now a very large hard eurosceptic part of the electorate that will tell at some point in a GE in the future and reopen it.
When you explain to them the single market was Thatcher's brainchild then they'll love the EU.
Fixed
Things have moved on a lot since the 1985 SEA.
The real TIG problem is the lack of coherent identity. What do Anna Soubry and Chuka agree on, apart from Europe and a vague commitment to centrism?
Very simply put in 10-20 years time many of the world's largest car companies will likely be toast, if not bust they'll have merged or broken up. I don't know which companies will be winners, which companies will survive, or where the next automotive giant will come from, but I'm absolutely certain that the automotive world will change from top to bottom.
Instead of worrying about what the incumbents are doing we should worry about whether the UK will be home to the disruptors.
It’s a powerful political argument “time for change” that by default is being denied to every other party.
I don’t think the EC should have accepted it