It already is. But a death cult seems determined to inflict as much damage as possible on it in pursuance of a mad hobbyhorse.
I can only assume you would be talking about Corbyn and Labour as there is no evidence for anything else that fits the description except in your own delusions.
Other than the massed ranks of radicalised Brexiteers, some of whom went from not wanting to leave the EU to wanting no deal at all with the EU in the space of a few years.
Those suckered into the party cults of 'blind loyalty' are incredibly rattled by Change UK/TIG. It's like watching Trump supporters throwing a tantrum. Very enjoyable.
They can't lead the thinking as their very purpose is to be stuck in the past when Blairite centre politics ruled. They seem utterly incapable of seeing what a failure that has been for so many people.
There might be those who look back on the pre-2008 period of cheap food, cheap fuel, cheap money and rising asset values with a certain nostalgia. The current economic model is producing some extraordinary official statistics but they hide, in my view, some much less palatable truths about the impact of an unending supply of cheap labour which has allowed people to be absorbed into the workforce and has acted as a brake on process-driven improvement.
We are told by Boris Johnson he has a "tide of Tory ideas" if he becomes Prime Minister but neither the Conservative nor Labour parties seem any more suited to thinking about the future than the jibe you address at Change UK.
I hated the BlairThatcher years.
I felt heshe was making fundamental changes to Britain and we couldn’t lay a finger on him her .
Fixed
If it makes you feel better.
Don't worry CR. eristdoof makes these pointless changes to other people's posts because he is incapable of having an original thought of his own.
Given that nationalised railways are the mainstream default position in London, France, Germany, Italy, Spain and Northern Ireland, it’s hardly an extreme position as you suggest. The difference with our bonkers franchising model is that we allow other countries to own networks but not our own (except when the privateers frequently fuck everything up, a la East Coast).
That might be an argument, if Labour's only controversial proposal was nationalising railways.
And you don't seem to realise that many EU countries have privatised parts of their networks, and that the EU is taking steps to increase competition:
I’m quite aware of that, alongside state owned railways. Here, we only allow state owned franchises in London or when the private sector makes a frequent hash of things, a la East Coast. That’s an extreme doctrinaire position.
And in the case of the East Coast line the service is poorer under public ownership and investment is stagnating whilst in London TfL are billions in debt. Not exactly great adverts for public ownership.
There are no magic bullets when it comes to ownership structures for the railways.
On the whole, the privatised network is much better than in British Rail days and more responsive to the customer rather than the unions.
Those who yearn for nationalisation should try working with TfL or Network Rail.
It already is. But a death cult seems determined to inflict as much damage as possible on it in pursuance of a mad hobbyhorse.
I can only assume you would be talking about Corbyn and Labour as there is no evidence for anything else that fits the description except in your own delusions.
Other than the massed ranks of radicalised Brexiteers, some of whom went from not wanting to leave the EU to wanting no deal at all with the EU in the space of a few years.
It already is. But a death cult seems determined to inflict as much damage as possible on it in pursuance of a mad hobbyhorse.
I can only assume you would be talking about Corbyn and Labour as there is no evidence for anything else that fits the description except in your own delusions.
Other than the massed ranks of radicalised Brexiteers, some of whom went from not wanting to leave the EU to wanting no deal at all with the EU in the space of a few years.
Like I said, only in your delusions.
It's a comforting thought that this is all a figment of my imagination.
Brilliant, fully support it. All UK media must be owned by resident UK persons who takes full personal responsibility for obeying UK laws including payment of all taxes to HMRC. Similar rules would apply to all significant and important businesses in the national interest. Rule Britannia, Britannia rules the waves. Britons never will be slaves - of foreign financial interests. Mind, Murdoch, Harmsworth, the Terrible Telegraph Twins, Branson and many others wouldn't like the idea....
Actually that sounds like a very good idea. The only problem I suppose is we should have done it 30 years ago because now the mainstream media is in terminal decline and being surpassed by the internet.
Project Fear. We get it every time a Labour government looks likely.
Very telling that you just use a Boris-style attempt at put-down, rather than addressing the actual points raised. The difference between Labour prior to Corbyn, and Labour now, is massive. This is a completely different order of magnitude of threat both to the economy and our security; never in the history of modern UK politics has the main opposition party been so extreme.
Well, the Tories shouldn't have pissed me off so much then!
You want to cut off your nose to spite your face.
No, just to punish the Tories via the ballot box.
I voted Tory in 2010, and supported the Coalition, but will not be doing so again.
It already is. But a death cult seems determined to inflict as much damage as possible on it in pursuance of a mad hobbyhorse.
I can only assume you would be talking about Corbyn and Labour as there is no evidence for anything else that fits the description except in your own delusions.
The latest institution that the death cult has attacked is the monarchy: Andrew Lilico wants it abolished because the Queen didn’t refuse royal assent. This follows the death cult’s assaults on the House of Commons, the House of Lords, the BBC, the Bank of England, the judiciary, the electoral commission and indeed pretty well any civic institution you can name. For people who claim to love this country, there isn’t much of it they love.
On this thread your fellow cultists are majoring on Britain’s Pacific coastline. All this because they have an unreasoning emotional hatred of Britain’s neighbourhood. It’s not a political problem but a psychiatric one.
I wouldn't be so sure. Every step of the way the pro-EU (or less anti-EU) part of the Tory party has been defeated and then marginalised and afterwards no-one has looked back. This process is continuing. It ends with either a Conservative government fighting a De Valera style economic war against the EU, or a Conservative opposition opposing every agreement with the EU.
Where are the Conservatives advocating membership of the single currency now?
and why - as that will determine the final state of the party and whether it's ever electable again. I suspect it isn't as ERG and their friends will take control resulting in something a lot of people won't vote for as less worse options will be available.
This is why I want No Deal.
It'll settle the European question once and for all and destroy the UK's Eurosceptic movement in the process.
Remember when the appeasers were in power and the likes of Churchill were in exile.
Ultimately Churchill was vindicated and the appeasers were destroyed.
That's what I'm hoping for.
Euroscepticism delenda est.
Be careful what you wish for. The list of countries that have gained independence and not gone back to the mothership is huge - there must be fifty from the British Empire alone. Each of those transitions would have been at least as economically and administratively disruptive as Brexit (at least on a per capita basis). And how many have gone back? I can only think of Anguilla.
That's the thing about gaining independence. It's a gain. There are no Aussies or Seychellois or Ghanaians or Afghans or Yemenis bemoaning the lost expected GDP from the independence eras and wanting back into the Empire.
Those suckered into the party cults of 'blind loyalty' are incredibly rattled by Change UK/TIG. It's like watching Trump supporters throwing a tantrum. Very enjoyable.
I can agree with you about party cults. I just think that TIG are another symptom of that.
It already is. But a death cult seems determined to inflict as much damage as possible on it in pursuance of a mad hobbyhorse.
I can only assume you would be talking about Corbyn and Labour as there is no evidence for anything else that fits the description except in your own delusions.
Other than the massed ranks of radicalised Brexiteers, some of whom went from not wanting to leave the EU to wanting no deal at all with the EU in the space of a few years.
Like I said, only in your delusions.
It's a comforting thought that this is all a figment of my imagination.
I will get nurse to bring you some warm milk later.
It already is. But a death cult seems determined to inflict as much damage as possible on it in pursuance of a mad hobbyhorse.
I can only assume you would be talking about Corbyn and Labour as there is no evidence for anything else that fits the description except in your own delusions.
The latest institution that the death cult has attacked is the monarchy: Andrew Lilico wants it abolished because the Queen didn’t refuse royal assent. This follows the death cult’s assaults on the House of Commons, the House of Lords, the BBC, the Bank of England, the judiciary, the electoral commission and indeed pretty well any civic institution you can name. For people who claim to love this country, there isn’t much of it they love.
On this thread your fellow cultists are majoring on Britain’s Pacific coastline. All this because they have an unreasoning emotional hatred of Britain’s neighbourhood. It’s not a political problem but a psychiatric one.
The only ones with psychiatric problems around here are the EU fanatics like you and William. You are like stuck records unable to break out of your pointless and ultimately self destructive behaviour.
Betting post: you can get 6 for the Coalition in Australia to win the election with Betfair Exchange, which seems like good value to me. I'd put it at more like 3 or 4. Latest polling average puts Labor on 52.5% with 50.7% needed to win on uniform swing.
Mr. Rentool, what can I say? I don't subscribe to the creed of failure that is socialism.
But you subscribe to the creed of failure that is Brexit.
Both are two cheeks of the same arse.
Both leave the UK poorer and damaged, both are championed by many on the hard left.
I dont recall the hard left calling the referendum, wasnt that the failure that was Cameron ?
The hard left have been advocating withdrawal from the EC/EU from before I was born, people like the reported Soviet spy Michael Foot, Peter Shore, Barbara Castle, and Tony Benn for example.
To think the Conservatives are delivering a large chunk of Michael Foot's 1983 manifesto.
sure, but they6 didnt actually call the referendum.
That was Cameron because he couldnt manage his party and then Osborne screwed up the campaign
Nobody can manage the Tory party on the EU, it has ousted or destroyed Thatcher, Major, Cameron, and May.
The Tory split is coming, the question is not if but when.
I wouldn't be so sure. Every step of the way the pro-EU (or less anti-EU) part of the Tory party has been defeated and then marginalised and afterwards no-one has looked back. This process is continuing. It ends with either a Conservative government fighting a De Valera style economic war against the EU, or a Conservative opposition opposing every agreement with the EU.
Where are the Conservatives advocating membership of the single currency now?
It ends with the Conservative Party uniting around a position of the UK being in charge of its own laws and immigration policy, just like most countries in the world. There is nothing extreme about that and it is the naturally conservative position.
And the UK ends up comparable with Tanzania.
Why Tanzania. Could as easily be comparable to Canada, Australia, US or Japan.
Project Fear. We get it every time a Labour government looks likely.
Very telling that you just use a Boris-style attempt at put-down, rather than addressing the actual points raised. The difference between Labour prior to Corbyn, and Labour now, is massive. This is a completely different order of magnitude of threat both to the economy and our security; never in the history of modern UK politics has the main opposition party been so extreme.
The Labour 2017 Manifesto was not as leftwing as the two produced for the 1974 elections - and far more moderate than Foot's 1983 version.
Where it wasn't completely cynical it was absolutely bizarre - hundreds of billions of vague nationalisation proposals with threats of no proper compensation, continued subsidies to well-off pensioners, lies about not increasing taxes on anyone earning less than £80K (yeah, right!), lies about student loans, measures intended to take us back to the desperate 1970s position on unions being allowed to intimidate the public, and, despite all the hundreds of billions being hosed around, continued austerity for the most vulnerable recipients of welfare.
I might concede your 1983 point, though.
But posters here repeatedly assert that it was “fully costed”. Are they lying or are you?
It already is. But a death cult seems determined to inflict as much damage as possible on it in pursuance of a mad hobbyhorse.
I can only assume you would be talking about Corbyn and Labour as there is no evidence for anything else that fits the description except in your own delusions.
The latest institution that the death cult has attacked is the monarchy: Andrew Lilico wants it abolished because the Queen didn’t refuse royal assent. This follows the death cult’s assaults on the House of Commons, the House of Lords, the BBC, the Bank of England, the judiciary, the electoral commission and indeed pretty well any civic institution you can name. For people who claim to love this country, there isn’t much of it they love.
On this thread your fellow cultists are majoring on Britain’s Pacific coastline. All this because they have an unreasoning emotional hatred of Britain’s neighbourhood. It’s not a political problem but a psychiatric one.
Project Fear. We get it every time a Labour government looks likely.
Very telling that you just use a Boris-style attempt at put-down, rather than addressing the actual points raised. The difference between Labour prior to Corbyn, and Labour now, is massive. This is a completely different order of magnitude of threat both to the economy and our security; never in the history of modern UK politics has the main opposition party been so extreme.
The Labour 2017 Manifesto was not as leftwing as the two produced for the 1974 elections - and far more moderate than Foot's 1983 version.
Where it wasn't completely cynical it was absolutely bizarre - hundreds of billions of vague nationalisation proposals with threats of no proper compensation, continued subsidies to well-off pensioners, lies about not increasing taxes on anyone earning less than £80K (yeah, right!), lies about student loans, measures intended to take us back to the desperate 1970s position on unions being allowed to intimidate the public, and, despite all the hundreds of billions being hosed around, continued austerity for the most vulnerable recipients of welfare.
I might concede your 1983 point, though.
But posters here repeatedly assert that it was “fully costed”. Are they lying or are you?
It was costed, in the sense that all the figures for income and expenditure added up to zero.
It was not costed, in the sense that most of the figures bore no resemblance to reality, and that when reality was brought in there was a £300 billion black hole.
So the answer is, 'they' are wrong. But because it isn't exactly a lie - more that they've fallen for a lie that's been fed to them - they don't like being told this. There's one particular poster who has had it demonstrated to him, with evidence, that there are at least six different ways the figures don't add up. But while quite reasonable on everything else, he absolutely refuses to consider this and gets quite nasty when you press him.
It already is. But a death cult seems determined to inflict as much damage as possible on it in pursuance of a mad hobbyhorse.
I can only assume you would be talking about Corbyn and Labour as there is no evidence for anything else that fits the description except in your own delusions.
The latest institution that the death cult has attacked is the monarchy: Andrew Lilico wants it abolished because the Queen didn’t refuse royal assent. This follows the death cult’s assaults on the House of Commons, the House of Lords, the BBC, the Bank of England, the judiciary, the electoral commission and indeed pretty well any civic institution you can name. For people who claim to love this country, there isn’t much of it they love.
On this thread your fellow cultists are majoring on Britain’s Pacific coastline. All this because they have an unreasoning emotional hatred of Britain’s neighbourhood. It’s not a political problem but a psychiatric one.
It is an interesting phenomenon how Remainers bemoan the loss of civility in our politics, before calling their opponents Nazis and death cults. Andrew Lilico is not much of a Brexiteer, given he openly says Brexit is a marginal decision and he thinks Remain is better than May's deal.
I also note how Brexiteers are accused of insularity, before being criticized for wanting to expand our horizons to Asia and the Americas. I think you need to be a bit more tolerant of those with different views to you.
It already is. But a death cult seems determined to inflict as much damage as possible on it in pursuance of a mad hobbyhorse.
I can only assume you would be talking about Corbyn and Labour as there is no evidence for anything else that fits the description except in your own delusions.
The latest institution that the death cult has attacked is the monarchy: Andrew Lilico wants it abolished because the Queen didn’t refuse royal assent. This follows the death cult’s assaults on the House of Commons, the House of Lords, the BBC, the Bank of England, the judiciary, the electoral commission and indeed pretty well any civic institution you can name. For people who claim to love this country, there isn’t much of it they love.
On this thread your fellow cultists are majoring on Britain’s Pacific coastline. All this because they have an unreasoning emotional hatred of Britain’s neighbourhood. It’s not a political problem but a psychiatric one.
It is an interesting phenomenon how Remainers bemoan the loss of civility in our politics, before calling their opponents Nazis and death cults. Andrew Lilico is not much of a Brexiteer, given he openly says Brexit is a marginal decision and he thinks Remain is better than May's deal.
I also note how Brexiteers are accused of insularity, before being criticized for wanting to expand our horizons to Asia and the Americas. I think you need to be a bit more tolerant of those with different views to you.
DUP MLA to an Irish journalist who didn't stand for 'God Save the Queen:'
'Fuck off out of it if you can't observe the niceties.'
He raises a fair point. Owen was famously tolerant with understanding how Toby Young had been on a journey and shouldn't be judged for views expressed years previously.
He raises a fair point. Owen was famously tolerant with understanding how Toby Young had been on a journey and shouldn't be judged for views expressed years previously.
I don't think Burgon would be in nearly such trouble if he hadn't lied, and equally I think people might be more willing to accept his 'version' if he hadn't repeatedly lied in the past and wasn't such an unpleasant bully.
Just as Tim Yeo was forgiven his affair, because he never moralised and fessed up, but Piers Merchant was not because he posed as a family values man and pretended there was no affair (although he age of the girl in question was an issue as well).
TIG was a good name and I've heard non political people mention it. The direction I would have gone with them would have been to stay as an independent grouping rather than try to be a full party and try to get local moderate independents to stand for them across the country. Maybe with an emphasis on people who haven't been in politics before like Sarah Wollaston. I would also have entered a pact with the Lib Dems, but not the Greens in these European Elections.
I can't see much commonality between the Tiggers and Greens. None of the Tiggers strike me as eco-socialists.
Yes, it's an odd thing that although the Greens are ideologically Corbyn on steroids, they're seen by many as a good option if you're a centrist and rather like the environment.
The real TIG problem is the lack of coherent identity. What do Anna Soubry and Chuka agree on, apart from Europe and a vague commitment to centrism?
Their real problem is lack of a corporate identity which at this stage is more important than whether or not their identity is coherent. It really is worth getting it right whatever it costs. It's their image. As Red Adair said 'If you think it's expensive using a professional try using an amateur'
It already is. But a death cult seems determined to inflict as much damage as possible on it in pursuance of a mad hobbyhorse.
I can only assume you would be talking about Corbyn and Labour as there is no evidence for anything else that fits the description except in your own delusions.
The latest institution that the death cult has attacked is the monarchy: Andrew Lilico wants it abolished because the Queen didn’t refuse royal assent. This follows the death cult’s assaults on the House of Commons, the House of Lords, the BBC, the Bank of England, the judiciary, the electoral commission and indeed pretty well any civic institution you can name. For people who claim to love this country, there isn’t much of it they love.
On this thread your fellow cultists are majoring on Britain’s Pacific coastline. All this because they have an unreasoning emotional hatred of Britain’s neighbourhood. It’s not a political problem but a psychiatric one.
It is an interesting phenomenon how Remainers bemoan the loss of civility in our politics, before calling their opponents Nazis and death cults. Andrew Lilico is not much of a Brexiteer, given he openly says Brexit is a marginal decision and he thinks Remain is better than May's deal.
I also note how Brexiteers are accused of insularity, before being criticized for wanting to expand our horizons to Asia and the Americas. I think you need to be a bit more tolerant of those with different views to you.
My tolerance doesn’t extend very far to people who routinely call me a quisling, saboteur, traitor, etc and all because they have an unreasoning hatred of Britain’s closest neighbours.
Britain’s borders are not on the Pacific. The wilful damage to Britain’s deepest and most extensive trading ties is gambling the house in pursuit of fairy gold. And all because a group of affluent reactionaries decided that it was worth campaigning on xenophobic lies in order to indulge their emotional dislike of the EU.
It already is. But a death cult seems determined to inflict as much damage as possible on it in pursuance of a mad hobbyhorse.
I can only assume you would be talking about Corbyn and Labour as there is no evidence for anything else that fits the description except in your own delusions.
The latest institution that the death cult has attacked is the monarchy: Andrew Lilico wants it abolished because the Queen didn’t refuse royal assent. This follows the death cult’s assaults on the House of Commons, the House of Lords, the BBC, the Bank of England, the judiciary, the electoral commission and indeed pretty well any civic institution you can name. For people who claim to love this country, there isn’t much of it they love.
On this thread your fellow cultists are majoring on Britain’s Pacific coastline. All this because they have an unreasoning emotional hatred of Britain’s neighbourhood. It’s not a political problem but a psychiatric one.
It is an interesting phenomenon how Remainers bemoan the loss of civility in our politics, before calling their opponents Nazis and death cults. Andrew Lilico is not much of a Brexiteer, given he openly says Brexit is a marginal decision and he thinks Remain is better than May's deal.
I also note how Brexiteers are accused of insularity, before being criticized for wanting to expand our horizons to Asia and the Americas. I think you need to be a bit more tolerant of those with different views to you.
Andrew Lilico "not much of a Brexiteer"? Is there anybody in the country safe from Brexit purity tests?
I wouldn't be so sure. Every step of the way the pro-EU (or less anti-EU) part of the Tory party has been defeated and then marginalised and afterwards no-one has looked back. This process is continuing. It ends with either a Conservative government fighting a De Valera style economic war against the EU, or a Conservative opposition opposing every agreement with the EU.
Where are the Conservatives advocating membership of the single currency now?
and why - as that will determine the final state of the party and whether it's ever electable again. I suspect it isn't as ERG and their friends will take control resulting in something a lot of people won't vote for as less worse options will be available.
This is why I want No Deal.
It'll settle the European question once and for all and destroy the UK's Eurosceptic movement in the process.
Remember when the appeasers were in power and the likes of Churchill were in exile.
Ultimately Churchill was vindicated and the appeasers were destroyed.
That's what I'm hoping for.
Euroscepticism delenda est.
Be careful what you wish for. The list of countries that have gained independence and not gone back to the mothership is huge - there must be fifty from the British Empire alone. Each of those transitions would have been at least as economically and administratively disruptive as Brexit (at least on a per capita basis). And how many have gone back? I can only think of Anguilla.
That's the thing about gaining independence. It's a gain. There are no Aussies or Seychellois or Ghanaians or Afghans or Yemenis bemoaning the lost expected GDP from the independence eras and wanting back into the Empire.
We are not, repeat not, a colony of an EU empire; the latter only exists in your warped world-view.
I wouldn't be so sure. Every step of the way the pro-EU (or less anti-EU) part of the Tory party has been defeated and then marginalised and afterwards no-one has looked back. This process is continuing. It ends with either a Conservative government fighting a De Valera style economic war against the EU, or a Conservative opposition opposing every agreement with the EU.
Where are the Conservatives advocating membership of the single currency now?
and why - as that will determine the final state of the party and whether it's ever electable again. I suspect it isn't as ERG and their friends will take control resulting in something a lot of people won't vote for as less worse options will be available.
This is why I want No Deal.
It'll settle the European question once and for all and destroy the UK's Eurosceptic movement in the process.
Remember when the appeasers were in power and the likes of Churchill were in exile.
Ultimately Churchill was vindicated and the appeasers were destroyed.
That's what I'm hoping for.
Euroscepticism delenda est.
Be careful what you wish for. The list of countries that have gained independence and not gone back to the mothership is huge - there must be fifty from the British Empire alone. Each of those transitions would have been at least as economically and administratively disruptive as Brexit (at least on a per capita basis). And how many have gone back? I can only think of Anguilla.
That's the thing about gaining independence. It's a gain. There are no Aussies or Seychellois or Ghanaians or Afghans or Yemenis bemoaning the lost expected GDP from the independence eras and wanting back into the Empire.
We are not, repeat not, a colony of an EU empire; the latter only exists in your warped world-view.
They can't lead the thinking as their very purpose is to be stuck in the past when Blairite centre politics ruled. They seem utterly incapable of seeing what a failure that has been for so many people.
There might be those who look back on the pre-2008 period of cheap food, cheap fuel, cheap money and rising asset values with a certain nostalgia. The current economic model is producing some extraordinary official statistics but they hide, in my view, some much less palatable truths about the impact of an unending supply of cheap labour which has allowed people to be absorbed into the workforce and has acted as a brake on process-driven improvement.
We are told by Boris Johnson he has a "tide of Tory ideas" if he becomes Prime Minister but neither the Conservative nor Labour parties seem any more suited to thinking about the future than the jibe you address at Change UK.
I hated the Blair years.
I felt he was making fundamental changes to Britain and we couldn’t lay a finger on him.
They were the best of times. Clearing away the right wing detritus. No more of the unspeakable in pursuit of the inedible. No more section 28. The Scottish Parliament. Repairing all the broken down schools. Indie music! Being in my 20s! I bumped into Tony last year (in the business class carriage on the Eurostar - yes, angry Leavers, all your stereotypes of the London bubble Remoaner 1% are correct) and was very happy to tell him I voted for him as leader in 1994.
They can't lead the thinking as their very purpose is to be stuck in the past when Blairite centre politics ruled. They seem utterly incapable of seeing what a failure that has been for so many people.
There might be those who look back on the pre-2008 period of cheap food, cheap fuel, cheap money and rising asset values with a certain nostalgia. The current economic model is producing some extraordinary official statistics but they hide, in my view, some much less palatable truths about the impact of an unending supply of cheap labour which has allowed people to be absorbed into the workforce and has acted as a brake on process-driven improvement.
We are told by Boris Johnson he has a "tide of Tory ideas" if he becomes Prime Minister but neither the Conservative nor Labour parties seem any more suited to thinking about the future than the jibe you address at Change UK.
I hated the Blair years.
I felt he was making fundamental changes to Britain and we couldn’t lay a finger on him.
They were the best of times. Clearing away the right wing detritus. No more of the unspeakable in pursuit of the inedible. No more section 28. The Scottish Parliament. Repairing all the broken down schools. Indie music! Being in my 20s! I bumped into Tony last year (in the business class carriage on the Eurostar - yes, angry Leavers, all your stereotypes of the London bubble Remoaner 1% are correct) and was very happy to tell him I voted for him as leader in 1994.
They weren't the best of times if you were an Iraqi.
They can't lead the thinking as their very purpose is to be stuck in the past when Blairite centre politics ruled. They seem utterly incapable of seeing what a failure that has been for so many people.
There might be those who look back on the pre-2008 period of cheap food, cheap fuel, cheap money and rising asset values with a certain nostalgia. The current economic model is producing some extraordinary official statistics but they hide, in my view, some much less palatable truths about the impact of an unending supply of cheap labour which has allowed people to be absorbed into the workforce and has acted as a brake on process-driven improvement.
We are told by Boris Johnson he has a "tide of Tory ideas" if he becomes Prime Minister but neither the Conservative nor Labour parties seem any more suited to thinking about the future than the jibe you address at Change UK.
I hated the Blair years.
I felt he was making fundamental changes to Britain and we couldn’t lay a finger on him.
They were the best of times. Clearing away the right wing detritus. No more of the unspeakable in pursuit of the inedible. No more section 28. The Scottish Parliament. Repairing all the broken down schools. Indie music! Being in my 20s! I bumped into Tony last year (in the business class carriage on the Eurostar - yes, angry Leavers, all your stereotypes of the London bubble Remoaner 1% are correct) and was very happy to tell him I voted for him as leader in 1994.
"Repairing all the broken down schools."
This is a classic area where Blairite soundbites are misleading. Yes, they ?doubled? spending on schools, but the results didn't particularly shift, especially in the critical areas of illiteracy and innumeracy.
Essentially, the money made teachers feel better but did fa for the kids who really needed the help.
And they made matters worse with a brain-dead target of 50% of all children on to university, when a sane approach would have been a wholescale reappraisal of FE based on what the country requires.
I was at school 1997-2001. One of Blair's first acts was to take away all our funding so we couldn't build sorely needed new classrooms and we had to lay off ten per cent of teaching staff.
I later taught at another school in Gloucestershire. They had to put up second hand temporary buildings in 1990. They were finally able to replace them in 2015. Boy, they stank. They were totally rotten and utterly inadequate. Funding? Consistently refused.
And some of us remember tuition fees and then the top up fees he promised not to bring in.
Don't get carried away by Campbell's propaganda. It wasn't a great time to be in education, although in fairness things did get worse in many ways under Gove.
I wouldn't be so sure. Every step of the way the pro-EU (or less anti-EU) part of the Tory party has been defeated and then marginalised and afterwards no-one has looked back. This process is continuing. It ends with either a Conservative government fighting a De Valera style economic war against the EU, or a Conservative opposition opposing every agreement with the EU.
Where are the Conservatives advocating membership of the single currency now?
and why - as that will determine the final state of the party and whether it's ever electable again. I suspect it isn't as ERG and their friends will take control resulting in something a lot of people won't vote for as less worse options will be available.
This is why I want No Deal.
It'll settle the European question once and for all and destroy the UK's Eurosceptic movement in the process.
Remember when the appeasers were in power and the likes of Churchill were in exile.
Ultimately Churchill was vindicated and the appeasers were destroyed.
That's what I'm hoping for.
Euroscepticism delenda est.
Be careful what you wish for. The list of countries that have gained independence and not gone back to the mothership is huge - there must be fifty from the British Empire alone. Each of those transitions would have been at least as economically and administratively disruptive as Brexit (at least on a per capita basis). And how many have gone back? I can only think of Anguilla.
That's the thing about gaining independence. It's a gain. There are no Aussies or Seychellois or Ghanaians or Afghans or Yemenis bemoaning the lost expected GDP from the independence eras and wanting back into the Empire.
We are not, repeat not, a colony of an EU empire; the latter only exists in your warped world-view.
The term 'Empire' is a direct reference back to the mention of the British Empire seventy words previously. I know this because I was there when I wrote it.
I wouldn't be so sure. Every step of the way the pro-EU (or less anti-EU) part of the Tory party has been defeated and then marginalised and afterwards no-one has looked back. This process is continuing. It ends with either a Conservative government fighting a De Valera style economic war against the EU, or a Conservative opposition opposing every agreement with the EU.
Where are the Conservatives advocating membership of the single currency now?
and why - as that will determine the final state of the party and whether it's ever electable again. I suspect it isn't as ERG and their friends will take control resulting in something a lot of people won't vote for as less worse options will be available.
This is why I want No Deal.
It'll settle the European question once and for all and destroy the UK's Eurosceptic movement in the process.
Remember when the appeasers were in power and the likes of Churchill were in exile.
Ultimately Churchill was vindicated and the appeasers were destroyed.
That's what I'm hoping for.
Euroscepticism delenda est.
Be careful what you wish for. The list of countries that have gained independence and not gone back to the mothership is huge - there must be fifty from the British Empire alone. Each of those transitions would have been at least as economically and administratively disruptive as Brexit (at least on a per capita basis). And how many have gone back? I can only think of Anguilla.
That's the thing about gaining independence. It's a gain. There are no Aussies or Seychellois or Ghanaians or Afghans or Yemenis bemoaning the lost expected GDP from the independence eras and wanting back into the Empire.
We are not, repeat not, a colony of an EU empire; the latter only exists in your warped world-view.
The term 'Empire' is a direct reference back to the mention of the British Empire seventy words previously. I know this because I was there when I wrote it.
The point is that you can't throw off a oppressor that doesn't exist. That's why we have the absurdity of people trying to go to court to prove that we've already left.
They can't lead the thinking as their very purpose is to be stuck in the past when Blairite centre politics ruled. They seem utterly incapable of seeing what a failure that has been for so many people.
There might be those who look back on the pre-2008 period of cheap food, cheap fuel, cheap money and rising asset values with a certain nostalgia. The current economic model is producing some extraordinary official statistics but they hide, in my view, some much less palatable truths about the impact of an unending supply of cheap labour which has allowed people to be absorbed into the workforce and has acted as a brake on process-driven improvement.
We are told by Boris Johnson he has a "tide of Tory ideas" if he becomes Prime Minister but neither the Conservative nor Labour parties seem any more suited to thinking about the future than the jibe you address at Change UK.
I hated the Blair years.
I felt he was making fundamental changes to Britain and we couldn’t lay a finger on him.
They were the best of times. Clearing away the right wing detritus. No more of the unspeakable in pursuit of the inedible. No more section 28. The Scottish Parliament. Repairing all the broken down schools. Indie music! Being in my 20s! I bumped into Tony last year (in the business class carriage on the Eurostar - yes, angry Leavers, all your stereotypes of the London bubble Remoaner 1% are correct) and was very happy to tell him I voted for him as leader in 1994.
They weren't the best of times if you were an Iraqi.
Well I didn't agree with Blair on that, and went on the demo not that it did much good. Although if you think Blair made any difference to the war happening or not I think you are exaggerating his importance.
I wouldn't be so sure. Every step of the way the pro-EU (or less anti-EU) part of the Tory party has been defeated and then marginalised and afterwards no-one has looked back. This process is continuing. It ends with either a Conservative government fighting a De Valera style economic war against the EU, or a Conservative opposition opposing every agreement with the EU.
Where are the Conservatives advocating membership of the single currency now?
and why - as that will determine the final state of the party and whether it's ever electable again. I suspect it isn't as ERG and their friends will take control resulting in something a lot of people won't vote for as less worse options will be available.
This is why I want No Deal.
It'll settle the European question once and for all and destroy the UK's Eurosceptic movement in the process.
Remember when the appeasers were in power and the likes of Churchill were in exile.
Ultimately Churchill was vindicated and the appeasers were destroyed.
That's what I'm hoping for.
Euroscepticism delenda est.
An end to Euroscepticism means an end to British Conservatism.
Nah, it might mean the end of the Conservative Party, but not British Conservatism.
Unashamedly free market policies, coupled with fiscal conservatism, social liberalism, multilateralism, such as underpinning NATO, would still be popular.
Pro EU libertarianism has a ceiling of about 10% max and most of them would be happier in CUK than the post Cameron Tories anyway
So far, I have not seen a single thing that would suggest they are happening, other than my polling card.
Pathetic. None of them deserve my vote.
Well as someone who has been canvassing and delivering every night this week and last weekend for the local elections I would suggest you probably live in a pretty safe ward, the main election address is only just going out anyway
I'm usually the last person to defend Corbyn, but he's getting a raw deal on education on two counts here. It's completely wrong to say Labour brought SATS in. I sat the first tranche in 1993 and they were rolled out nationwide the following year.
Corbyn is right to want to get rid of them and Nick Gibb is talking rubbish as usual. Does he really think parents will be unable to tell if their children can read and write and do sums without some pathetic and irrelevant test dreamed up by some barely intelligent nonentity in London? How does he think private schools manage?
It’s like some odd unbelievable satire. It’s a reminder how people will excuse away behaviour from their side that they would go for the jugular for in their opponents.
So far, I have not seen a single thing that would suggest they are happening, other than my polling card.
Pathetic. None of them deserve my vote.
Well as someone who has been canvassing and delivering every night this week and last weekend for the local elections I would suggest you probably live in a pretty safe ward, the main election address is only just going out anyway
True, O Cophetua. Last time Labour got the small matter of twice as many votes as the Tories who were runners up, who must have been all of fifty votes ahead of UKIP in third.
But with no UKIP candidate this time (and in the full awareness it's not that simple) the Labour administration less than brilliantly popular and a Green candidate to outflank them on the left, I would say Cannock North is potentially in play.
It’s like some odd unbelievable satire. It’s a reminder how people will excuse away behaviour from their side that they would go for the jugular for in their opponents.
It’s like some odd unbelievable satire. It’s a reminder how people will excuse away behaviour from their side that they would go for the jugular for in their opponents.
Labour are just an open sewer now.
Don't be silly. If shit goes in a sewer, it gets carried away.
It’s like some odd unbelievable satire. It’s a reminder how people will excuse away behaviour from their side that they would go for the jugular for in their opponents.
I'm usually the last person to defend Corbyn, but he's getting a raw deal on education on two counts here. It's completely wrong to say Labour brought SATS in. I sat the first tranche in 1993 and they were rolled out nationwide the following year.
Corbyn is right to want to get rid of them and Nick Gibb is talking rubbish as usual. Does he really think parents will be unable to tell if their children can read and write and do sums without some pathetic and irrelevant test dreamed up by some barely intelligent nonentity in London? How does he think private schools manage?
Quite good at stoking up xenophobia, but rather odd. After all, smuggling people across the channel (real, not faked by Banks!) is against existing laws and leaving the EU will not stop this sort of smuggling.
He raises a fair point. Owen was famously tolerant with understanding how Toby Young had been on a journey and shouldn't be judged for views expressed years previously.
LOL - quite
Hypocrisy on the left is breathtaking
My personal favourite
Misogony is awful - anyone guilty needs to be hounded from public life.
When a Labourite awful to women - cuddle, cuddle - been on a journey that one - move on.
It’s like some odd unbelievable satire. It’s a reminder how people will excuse away behaviour from their side that they would go for the jugular for in their opponents.
Labour are just an open sewer now.
Don't be silly. If shit goes in a sewer, it gets carried away.
Cesspit would be a better metaphor.
point taken.
I hope the posters on here who professed to see no evidence of anti semitism are proud of themselves.
I'm usually the last person to defend Corbyn, but he's getting a raw deal on education on two counts here. It's completely wrong to say Labour brought SATS in. I sat the first tranche in 1993 and they were rolled out nationwide the following year.
Corbyn is right to want to get rid of them and Nick Gibb is talking rubbish as usual. Does he really think parents will be unable to tell if their children can read and write and do sums without some pathetic and irrelevant test dreamed up by some barely intelligent nonentity in London? How does he think private schools manage?
Really.
Agreed.
In quite what manner Labour would mess things up is a matter of speculation, but getting rid of the current unproductive, time consuming straitjacket would be a definite positive.
It’s like some odd unbelievable satire. It’s a reminder how people will excuse away behaviour from their side that they would go for the jugular for in their opponents.
Labour are just an open sewer now.
Don't be silly. If shit goes in a sewer, it gets carried away.
Cesspit would be a better metaphor.
point taken.
I hope the posters on here who professed to see no evidence of anti semitism are proud of themselves.
Yet you are entirely happy about the xenophobic lies of the Leave campaign. You’re a pick n mix racist.
I'm usually the last person to defend Corbyn, but he's getting a raw deal on education on two counts here. It's completely wrong to say Labour brought SATS in. I sat the first tranche in 1993 and they were rolled out nationwide the following year.
Corbyn is right to want to get rid of them and Nick Gibb is talking rubbish as usual. Does he really think parents will be unable to tell if their children can read and write and do sums without some pathetic and irrelevant test dreamed up by some barely intelligent nonentity in London? How does he think private schools manage?
Really.
Depends top PISA ranked Singapore has plenty of tests, though SATs should not limit a broad curriculum
So far, I have not seen a single thing that would suggest they are happening, other than my polling card.
Pathetic. None of them deserve my vote.
Well as someone who has been canvassing and delivering every night this week and last weekend for the local elections I would suggest you probably live in a pretty safe ward, the main election address is only just going out anyway
True, O Cophetua. Last time Labour got the small matter of twice as many votes as the Tories who were runners up, who must have been all of fifty votes ahead of UKIP in third.
But with no UKIP candidate this time (and in the full awareness it's not that simple) the Labour administration less than brilliantly popular and a Green candidate to outflank them on the left, I would say Cannock North is potentially in play.
I expect the activists are going to the more marginal wards, in safe wards it tends to be the election address and a few posters and that is it, until the polling returns suggest Cannock North is anything other than a safe Labour ward I doubt that will change
It’s like some odd unbelievable satire. It’s a reminder how people will excuse away behaviour from their side that they would go for the jugular for in their opponents.
Labour are just an open sewer now.
Don't be silly. If shit goes in a sewer, it gets carried away.
Cesspit would be a better metaphor.
point taken.
I hope the posters on here who professed to see no evidence of anti semitism are proud of themselves.
Yet you are entirely happy about the xenophobic lies of the Leave campaign. You’re a pick n mix racist.
It’s like some odd unbelievable satire. It’s a reminder how people will excuse away behaviour from their side that they would go for the jugular for in their opponents.
Labour are just an open sewer now.
Don't be silly. If shit goes in a sewer, it gets carried away.
Cesspit would be a better metaphor.
point taken.
I hope the posters on here who professed to see no evidence of anti semitism are proud of themselves.
Yet you are entirely happy about the xenophobic lies of the Leave campaign. You’re a pick n mix racist.
Anti-semitism is OK, then?
Neither is ok. That should go without saying. Leavers show an astonishing lack of concern about the race-baiting their own side strategically deployed.
It’s like some odd unbelievable satire. It’s a reminder how people will excuse away behaviour from their side that they would go for the jugular for in their opponents.
It’s like some odd unbelievable satire. It’s a reminder how people will excuse away behaviour from their side that they would go for the jugular for in their opponents.
Labour are just an open sewer now.
Don't be silly. If shit goes in a sewer, it gets carried away.
Cesspit would be a better metaphor.
point taken.
I hope the posters on here who professed to see no evidence of anti semitism are proud of themselves.
Yet you are entirely happy about the xenophobic lies of the Leave campaign. You’re a pick n mix racist.
Anti-semitism is OK, then?
Neither is ok. That should go without saying. Leavers show an astonishing lack of concern about the race-baiting their own side strategically deployed.
The thing is the man who ran the Leave campaign admitted they went too far in fuelling fear about Turks.
I'm usually the last person to defend Corbyn, but he's getting a raw deal on education on two counts here. It's completely wrong to say Labour brought SATS in. I sat the first tranche in 1993 and they were rolled out nationwide the following year.
Corbyn is right to want to get rid of them and Nick Gibb is talking rubbish as usual. Does he really think parents will be unable to tell if their children can read and write and do sums without some pathetic and irrelevant test dreamed up by some barely intelligent nonentity in London? How does he think private schools manage?
Really.
Depends top PISA ranked Singapore has plenty of tests, though SATs should not limit a broad curriculum
The thing about SATS is that they are completely meaningless. Nobody pays any attention to them except OFSTED, and even they don't know how to use them or what they show.
To give you some idea of how useful the data from SATS is, my school tests every single Year 7 in their first week using a private company to establish their level of attainment in maths and English, because SATS results do not tell us that.
It’s like some odd unbelievable satire. It’s a reminder how people will excuse away behaviour from their side that they would go for the jugular for in their opponents.
Labour are just an open sewer now.
Don't be silly. If shit goes in a sewer, it gets carried away.
Cesspit would be a better metaphor.
point taken.
I hope the posters on here who professed to see no evidence of anti semitism are proud of themselves.
Yet you are entirely happy about the xenophobic lies of the Leave campaign. You’re a pick n mix racist.
Anti-semitism is OK, then?
Neither is ok. That should go without saying. Leavers show an astonishing lack of concern about the race-baiting their own side strategically deployed.
The thing is the man who ran the Leave campaign admitted they went too far in fuelling fear about Turks.
It’s like some odd unbelievable satire. It’s a reminder how people will excuse away behaviour from their side that they would go for the jugular for in their opponents.
Labour are just an open sewer now.
Don't be silly. If shit goes in a sewer, it gets carried away.
Cesspit would be a better metaphor.
point taken.
I hope the posters on here who professed to see no evidence of anti semitism are proud of themselves.
Yet you are entirely happy about the xenophobic lies of the Leave campaign. You’re a pick n mix racist.
Anti-semitism is OK, then?
Neither is ok. That should go without saying. Leavers show an astonishing lack of concern about the race-baiting their own side strategically deployed.
Unlike Labour, Leavers are not on a virtue signalling crusade to preach how anti-racist they are and how everyone who doesn't agree with them is a Nazi.
I think everyone has a right to point out that the party that most looks like a throwback from the 1930s right now is in red.
I wouldn't be so sure. Every step of the way the pro-EU (or less anti-EU) part of the Tory party has been defeated and then marginalised and afterwards no-one has looked back. This process is continuing. It ends with either a Conservative government fighting a De Valera style economic war against the EU, or a Conservative opposition opposing every agreement with the EU.
Where are the Conservatives advocating membership of the single currency now?
and why - as that will determine the final state of the party and whether it's ever electable again. I suspect it isn't as ERG and their friends will take control resulting in something a lot of people won't vote for as less worse options will be available.
This is why I want No Deal.
It'll settle the European question once and for all and destroy the UK's Eurosceptic movement in the process.
Remember when the appeasers were in power and the likes of Churchill were in exile.
Ultimately Churchill was vindicated and the appeasers were destroyed.
That's what I'm hoping for.
Euroscepticism delenda est.
Be careful what you wish for. The list of countries that have gained independence and not gone back to the mothership is huge - there must be fifty from the British Empire alone. Each of those transitions would have been at least as economically and administratively disruptive as Brexit (at least on a per capita basis). And how many have gone back? I can only think of Anguilla.
That's the thing about gaining independence. It's a gain. There are no Aussies or Seychellois or Ghanaians or Afghans or Yemenis bemoaning the lost expected GDP from the independence eras and wanting back into the Empire.
Most (all?) of the colonies of the British Empire were conquered by force of arms, or ceded by Treaty following war with a different colonial power.
All of the countries who have joined the EU chose to do so of their own free will.
This difference may have a bearing on the situation. Just possibly.
It already is. But a death cult seems determined to inflict as much damage as possible on it in pursuance of a mad hobbyhorse.
I can only assume you would be talking about Corbyn and Labour as there is no evidence for anything else that fits the description except in your own delusions.
The latest institution that the death cult has attacked is the monarchy: Andrew Lilico wants it abolished because the Queen didn’t refuse royal assent. This follows the death cult’s assaults on the House of Commons, the House of Lords, the BBC, the Bank of England, the judiciary, the electoral commission and indeed pretty well any civic institution you can name. For people who claim to love this country, there isn’t much of it they love.
On this thread your fellow cultists are majoring on Britain’s Pacific coastline. All this because they have an unreasoning emotional hatred of Britain’s neighbourhood. It’s not a political problem but a psychiatric one.
It is an interesting phenomenon how Remainers bemoan the loss of civility in our politics, before calling their opponents Nazis and death cults. Andrew Lilico is not much of a Brexiteer, given he openly says Brexit is a marginal decision and he thinks Remain is better than May's deal.
I also note how Brexiteers are accused of insularity, before being criticized for wanting to expand our horizons to Asia and the Americas. I think you need to be a bit more tolerant of those with different views to you.
DUP MLA to an Irish journalist who didn't stand for 'God Save the Queen:'
'Fuck off out of it if you can't observe the niceties.'
That’s blunt. But I wouldn’t dream of sitting though another country’s national anthem
It’s like some odd unbelievable satire. It’s a reminder how people will excuse away behaviour from their side that they would go for the jugular for in their opponents.
Labour are just an open sewer now.
Don't be silly. If shit goes in a sewer, it gets carried away.
Cesspit would be a better metaphor.
point taken.
I hope the posters on here who professed to see no evidence of anti semitism are proud of themselves.
Yet you are entirely happy about the xenophobic lies of the Leave campaign. You’re a pick n mix racist.
Anti-semitism is OK, then?
Neither is ok. That should go without saying. Leavers show an astonishing lack of concern about the race-baiting their own side strategically deployed.
Unlike Labour, Leavers are not on a virtue signalling crusade to preach how anti-racist they are and how everyone who doesn't agree with them is a Nazi.
I think everyone has a right to point out that the party that most looks like a throwback from the 1930s right now is in red.
Well that’s not true. All the white supremacists are lining up behind Brexit. Many of its leaders are happy to break bread with them.
Unlike Labour, Leavers are not on a virtue signalling crusade to preach how anti-racist they are and how everyone who doesn't agree with them is a Nazi.
Michael Gove said that we needed to leave the EU to have a "non racist" immigration policy, and that experts who predicted that it was a bad idea were like Nazi scientists.
Given that nationalised railways are the mainstream default position in London, France, Germany, Italy, Spain and Northern Ireland, it’s hardly an extreme position as you suggest. The difference with our bonkers franchising model is that we allow other countries to own networks but not our own (except when the privateers frequently fuck everything up, a la East Coast).
That might be an argument, if Labour's only controversial proposal was nationalising railways.
And you don't seem to realise that many EU countries have privatised parts of their networks, and that the EU is taking steps to increase competition:
I’m quite aware of that, alongside state owned railways. Here, we only allow state owned franchises in London or when the private sector makes a frequent hash of things, a la East Coast. That’s an extreme doctrinaire position.
And in the case of the East Coast line the service is poorer under public ownership and investment is stagnating whilst in London TfL are billions in debt. Not exactly great adverts for public ownership.
There are no magic bullets when it comes to ownership structures for the railways.
On the whole, the privatised network is much better than in British Rail days and more responsive to the customer rather than the unions.
Those who yearn for nationalisation should try working with TfL or Network Rail.
Given you work for a publicly owned rail project -Crossrail - one might accuse you of hypocrisy.
I wouldn't be so sure. Every step of the way the pro-EU (or less anti-EU) part of the Tory party has been defeated and then marginalised and afterwards no-one has looked back. This process is continuing. It ends with either a Conservative government fighting a De Valera style economic war against the EU, or a Conservative opposition opposing every agreement with the EU.
Where are the Conservatives advocating membership of the single currency now?
and why - as that will determine the final state of the party and whether it's ever electable again. I suspect it isn't as ERG and their friends will take control resulting in something a lot of people won't vote for as less worse options will be available.
This is why I want No Deal.
It'll settle the European question once and for all and destroy the UK's Eurosceptic movement in the process.
Remember when the appeasers were in power and the likes of Churchill were in exile.
Ultimately Churchill was vindicated and the appeasers were destroyed.
That's what I'm hoping for.
Euroscepticism delenda est.
Be careful what you wish for. The list of countries that have gained independence and not gone back to the mothership is huge - there must be fifty from the British Empire alone. Each of those transitions would have been at least as economically and administratively disruptive as Brexit (at least on a per capita basis). And how many have gone back? I can only think of Anguilla.
That's the thing about gaining independence. It's a gain. There are no Aussies or Seychellois or Ghanaians or Afghans or Yemenis bemoaning the lost expected GDP from the independence eras and wanting back into the Empire.
Most (all?) of the colonies of the British Empire were conquered by force of arms, or ceded by Treaty following war with a different colonial power.
All of the countries who have joined the EU chose to do so of their own free will.
This difference may have a bearing on the situation. Just possibly.
New Zealand became a colony via a treaty (Waitangi) which guaranteed Maori rights and recognised land ownership, so in theory at least by consent. In practice not all Maori were represented, and the Maori and English versions of the treaty were different, so disputes started nearly immediately.
Given that nationalised railways are the mainstream default position in London, France, Germany, Italy, Spain and Northern Ireland, it’s hardly an extreme position as you suggest. The difference with our bonkers franchising model is that we allow other countries to own networks but not our own (except when the privateers frequently fuck everything up, a la East Coast).
That might be an argument, if Labour's only controversial proposal was nationalising railways.
And you don't seem to realise that many EU countries have privatised parts of their networks, and that the EU is taking steps to increase competition:
I’m quite aware of that, alongside state owned railways. Here, we only allow state owned franchises in London or when the private sector makes a frequent hash of things, a la East Coast. That’s an extreme doctrinaire position.
And in the case of the East Coast line the service is poorer under public ownership and investment is stagnating whilst in London TfL are billions in debt. Not exactly great adverts for public ownership.
There are no magic bullets when it comes to ownership structures for the railways.
On the whole, the privatised network is much better than in British Rail days and more responsive to the customer rather than the unions.
Those who yearn for nationalisation should try working with TfL or Network Rail.
Given you work for a publicly owned rail project -Crossrail - one might accuse you of hypocrisy.
Given the current state of Crossrail, I'm not sure bringing it into this argument is exactly making a compelling case for public ownership!
Unlike Labour, Leavers are not on a virtue signalling crusade to preach how anti-racist they are and how everyone who doesn't agree with them is a Nazi.
Michael Gove said that we needed to leave the EU to have a "non racist" immigration policy, and that experts who predicted that it was a bad idea were like Nazi scientists.
He said German scientists not Nazi scientists. His comment was more about how a nasty government could threaten experts, in this case scientists into saying what they want them to say. In this case he was having a go at Osborne.
Mr. Rentool, what can I say? I don't subscribe to the creed of failure that is socialism.
But you subscribe to the creed of failure that is Brexit.
Both are two cheeks of the same arse.
Both leave the UK poorer and damaged, both are championed by many on the hard left.
I dont recall the hard left calling the referendum, wasnt that the failure that was Cameron ?
The hard left have been advocating withdrawal from the EC/EU from before I was born, people like the reported Soviet spy Michael Foot, Peter Shore, Barbara Castle, and Tony Benn for example.
To think the Conservatives are delivering a large chunk of Michael Foot's 1983 manifesto.
sure, but they6 didnt actually call the referendum.
That was Cameron because he couldnt manage his party and then Osborne screwed up the campaign
Nobody can manage the Tory party on the EU, it has ousted or destroyed Thatcher, Major, Cameron, and May.
The Tory split is coming, the question is not if but when.
I wouldn't be so sure. Every step of the way the pro-EU (or less anti-EU) part of the Tory party has been defeated and then marginalised and afterwards no-one has looked back. This process is continuing. It ends with either a Conservative government fighting a De Valera style economic war against the EU, or a Conservative opposition opposing every agreement with the EU.
Where are the Conservatives advocating membership of the single currency now?
It ends with the Conservative Party uniting around a position of the UK being in charge of its own laws and immigration policy, just like most countries in the world. There is nothing extreme about that and it is the naturally conservative position.
And the UK ends up comparable with Tanzania.
I believe the UK is capable of being a rich, developed country with a democratic, non-corrupt culture just as Canada and Australia are.
Although we'll struggle to have a resources dominated economy.
Given that nationalised railways are the mainstream default position in London, France, Germany, Italy, Spain and Northern Ireland, it’s hardly an extreme position as you suggest. The difference with our bonkers franchising model is that we allow other countries to own networks but not our own (except when the privateers frequently fuck everything up, a la East Coast).
That might be an argument, if Labour's only controversial proposal was nationalising railways.
And you don't seem to realise that many EU countries have privatised parts of their networks, and that the EU is taking steps to increase competition:
I’m quite aware of that, alongside state owned railways. Here, we only allow state owned franchises in London or when the private sector makes a frequent hash of things, a la East Coast. That’s an extreme doctrinaire position.
And in the case of the East Coast line the service is poorer under public ownership and investment is stagnating whilst in London TfL are billions in debt. Not exactly great adverts for public ownership.
There are no magic bullets when it comes to ownership structures for the railways.
On the whole, the privatised network is much better than in British Rail days and more responsive to the customer rather than the unions.
Those who yearn for nationalisation should try working with TfL or Network Rail.
Given you work for a publicly owned rail project -Crossrail - one might accuse you of hypocrisy.
Does he really think parents will be unable to tell if their children can read and write and do sums without some pathetic and irrelevant test dreamed up by some barely intelligent nonentity in London?
I have mixed feelings - it's important to track how well schools are doing. But for kids that young to be put through high-stakes testing (even if it's supposedly the schools, not kids, being tested) seems wrong, given our child welfare issues. When pushy parents are running around buying SATS revision guides and hiring private tutors to make sure their kid gets a good level, on an exam that's meant to assess the school, clearly things have gone mad.
I'd only be in favour of SATS continuing if they were largely delinked from any consequences for the child.
One possibility: only a random sample of kids should sit the tests, possibly not every school every year. Problem with this is checking whether schools are achieving progression. (Something like this was done in the pre-SATS era to check national standards.)
Another: simply never release individual-level results, only school aggregates. Parents might complain it's barmy for their kids to be prepped for a year for a test they never get results for, but they'd be missing the point. (Has some other downsides, e.g. kids might not take the test seriously given there's no feedback.)
Or counterintuitively, perhaps the problem is we've made the SATS a Big Deal by doing them as a small number of formal exams, sat as if they were A-levels - and so maybe we could make them a Small Deal by having absolutely bloody loads of them. Also letting us make them more holistic and less distorting to the primary curriculum. Let's say, every single termtime Thursday at 2 pm the tablets come out and everyone does this week's surprise (no chance for sneaky teachers to prep their class) 20 minute SATS Challenge Task. Fill in some times tables. Spellings. Multiple-choice comprehension test. Plan a journey from a map and train timetable. Write a short poem. Work out a shopping budget. Paint a picture of a tree in a drawing app. General knowledge quiz* on geography and history. Reassemble a jumbled cooking recipe into the correct order and pick out three "healthy meals" from photos of ten. Whatever. Try to keep it fun. Mark it automatically (more creative bits might need teachers to mark themselves and maybe double-mark some examples from other schools for moderation purposes). This approach would be a lot of faff. But it would generate richer data at national, school and individual level, while largely eliminating "teaching to the test" and high-stake exam pressure.
* General knowledge quizzes were a staple of my primary school learning, but I'm told they've largely disappeared in the SATS era. Whereas if there was a Humanities SATS paper, I bet they would be back like a flash.
Unlike Labour, Leavers are not on a virtue signalling crusade to preach how anti-racist they are and how everyone who doesn't agree with them is a Nazi.
Michael Gove said that we needed to leave the EU to have a "non racist" immigration policy, and that experts who predicted that it was a bad idea were like Nazi scientists.
He said German scientists not Nazi scientists. His comment was more about how a nasty government could threaten experts, in this case scientists into saying what they want them to say. In this case he was having a go at Osborne.
Bullshit.
'We have to be careful about historical comparisons, but Albert Einstein during the 1930s was denounced by the German authorities for being wrong and his theories were denounced, and one of the reasons of course he was denounced was because he was Jewish.'
It already is. But a death cult seems determined to inflict as much damage as possible on it in pursuance of a mad hobbyhorse.
I can only assume you would be talking about Corbyn and Labour as there is no evidence for anything else that fits the description except in your own delusions.
The latest institution that the death cult has attacked is the monarchy: Andrew Lilico wants it abolished because the Queen didn’t refuse royal assent. This follows the death cult’s assaults on the House of Commons, the House of Lords, the BBC, the Bank of England, the judiciary, the electoral commission and indeed pretty well any civic institution you can name. For people who claim to love this country, there isn’t much of it they love.
On this thread your fellow cultists are majoring on Britain’s Pacific coastline. All this because they have an unreasoning emotional hatred of Britain’s neighbourhood. It’s not a political problem but a psychiatric one.
It is an interesting phenomenon how Remainers bemoan the loss of civility in our politics, before calling their opponents Nazis and death cults. Andrew Lilico is not much of a Brexiteer, given he openly says Brexit is a marginal decision and he thinks Remain is better than May's deal.
I also note how Brexiteers are accused of insularity, before being criticized for wanting to expand our horizons to Asia and the Americas. I think you need to be a bit more tolerant of those with different views to you.
DUP MLA to an Irish journalist who didn't stand for 'God Save the Queen:'
'Fuck off out of it if you can't observe the niceties.'
That’s blunt. But I wouldn’t dream of sitting though another country’s national anthem
I dare say you might do if you were of the view that said country was occupying yours
Mr. Rentool, what can I say? I don't subscribe to the creed of failure that is socialism.
But you subscribe to the creed of failure that is Brexit.
Both are two cheeks of the same arse.
Both leave the UK poorer and damaged, both are championed by many on the hard left.
I dont recall the hard left calling the referendum, wasnt that the failure that was Cameron ?
nifesto.
sure, but they6 didnt actually call the referendum.
That was Cameron because he couldnt manage his party and then Osborne screwed up the campaign
Nobody can manage the Tory party on the EU, it has ousted or destroyed Thatcher, Major, Cameron, and May.
The Tory split is coming, the question is not if but when.
I wouldn't be so sure. Every step of the way the pro-EU (or less anti-EU) part of the Tory party has been defeated and then marginalised and afterwards no-one has looked back. This process is continuing. It ends with either a Conservative government fighting a De Valera style economic war against the EU, or a Conservative opposition opposing every agreement with the EU.
Where are the Conservatives advocating membership of the single currency now?
It ends with the Conservative Party uniting around a position of the UK being in charge of its own laws and immigration policy, just like most countries in the world. There is nothing extreme about that and it is the naturally conservative position.
And the UK ends up comparable with Tanzania.
I believe the UK is capable of being a rich, developed country with a democratic, non-corrupt culture just as Canada and Australia are.
Although we'll struggle to have a resources dominated economy.
Neither Canada or Australia are resource dominated. They have diversified economies.
Mr. Rentool, what can I say? I don't subscribe to the creed of failure that is socialism.
But you subscribe to the creed of failure that is Brexit.
Both are two cheeks of the same arse.
Both leave the UK poorer and damaged, both are championed by many on the hard left.
I dont recall the hard left calling the referendum, wasnt that the failure that was Cameron ?
The hard left have been advocating withdrawal from the EC/EU from before I was born, people like the reported Soviet spy Michael Foot, Peter Shore, Barbara Castle, and Tony Benn for example.
To think the Conservatives are delivering a large chunk of Michael Foot's 1983 manifesto.
sure, but they6 didnt actually call the referendum.
That was Cameron because he couldnt manage his party and then Osborne screwed up the campaign
Where are the Conservatives advocating membership of the single currency now?
It ends with the Conservative Party uniting around a position of the UK being in charge of its own laws and immigration policy, just like most countries in the world. There is nothing extreme about that and it is the naturally conservative position.
And the UK ends up comparable with Tanzania.
I believe the UK is capable of being a rich, developed country with a democratic, non-corrupt culture just as Canada and Australia are.
Although we'll struggle to have a resources dominated economy.
Given that nationalised railways are the mainstream default position in London, France, Germany, Italy, Spain and Northern Ireland, it’s hardly an extreme position as you suggest. The difference with our bonkers franchising model is that we allow other countries to own networks but not our own (except when the privateers frequently fuck everything up, a la East Coast).
That might be an argument, if Labour's only controversial proposal was nationalising railways.
And you don't seem to realise that many EU countries have privatised parts of their networks, and that the EU is taking steps to increase competition:
I’m quite aware of that, alongside state owned railways. Here, we only allow state owned franchises in London or when the private sector makes a frequent hash of things, a la East Coast. That’s an extreme doctrinaire position.
And in the case of the East Coast line the service is poorer under public ownership and investment is stagnating whilst in London TfL are billions in debt. Not exactly great adverts for public ownership.
There are no magic bullets when it comes to ownership structures for the railways.
On the whole, the privatised network is much better than in British Rail days and more responsive to the customer rather than the unions.
Those who yearn for nationalisation should try working with TfL or Network Rail.
Given you work for a publicly owned rail project -Crossrail - one might accuse you of hypocrisy.
Given the current state of Crossrail, I'm not sure bringing it into this argument is exactly making a compelling case for public ownership!
Well indeed. But there are many excellent public railways, including the UK’s most popular one. Doctrinaire policy against them is just stupid. Horses for courses is the way forward.
I wouldn't be so sure. Every step of the way the pro-EU (or less anti-EU) part of the Tory party has been defeated and then marginalised and afterwards no-one has looked back. This process is continuing. It ends with either a Conservative government fighting a De Valera style economic war against the EU, or a Conservative opposition opposing every agreement with the EU.
Where are the Conservatives advocating membership of the single currency now?
and why - as that will determine the final state of the party and whether it's ever electable again. I suspect it isn't as ERG and their friends will take control resulting in something a lot of people won't vote for as less worse options will be available.
This is why I want No Deal.
It'll settle the European question once and for all and destroy the UK's Eurosceptic movement in the process.
Remember when the appeasers were in power and the likes of Churchill were in exile.
Ultimately Churchill was vindicated and the appeasers were destroyed.
That's what I'm hoping for.
Euroscepticism delenda est.
Be careful what you wish for. The list of countries that have gained independence and not gone back to the mothership is huge - there must be fifty from the British Empire alone. Each of those transitions would have been at least as economically and administratively disruptive as Brexit (at least on a per capita basis). And how many have gone back? I can only think of Anguilla.
That's the thing about gaining independence. It's a gain. There are no Aussies or Seychellois or Ghanaians or Afghans or Yemenis bemoaning the lost expected GDP from the independence eras and wanting back into the Empire.
Most (all?) of the colonies of the British Empire were conquered by force of arms, or ceded by Treaty following war with a different colonial power.
All of the countries who have joined the EU chose to do so of their own free will.
This difference may have a bearing on the situation. Just possibly.
New Zealand became a colony via a treaty (Waitangi) which guaranteed Maori rights and recognised land ownership, so in theory at least by consent. In practice not all Maori were represented, and the Maori and English versions of the treaty were different, so disputes started nearly immediately.
So it did. I'm not surprised that there was an exception to the rule.
1. Job losses are very rarely announced, relative to job increases 2. Car ownership is in decline across the developed world 3. Automation is relentless 4. Electric cars need fewer people in automotive production (and servicing)
Fretting about the job prospects for companies like Nissan, Honda, and Ford is a bit like people worrying what would happen to Honeywell, NCR, ICL and the like when the microprocessor came along.
Very simply put in 10-20 years time many of the world's largest car companies will likely be toast, if not bust they'll have merged or broken up. I don't know which companies will be winners, which companies will survive, or where the next automotive giant will come from, but I'm absolutely certain that the automotive world will change from top to bottom.
Instead of worrying about what the incumbents are doing we should worry about whether the UK will be home to the disruptors.
While that is certainly true, I don't think the move to electric propulsion is a similar sized change as the move to microprocessors and general purpose computers.
Simply, an electric car still needs tyres, steel, windscreens, wipers, sunroofs, seatbelts, headlamps, seats, brake pads, mirrors, and a million other things that don't distinguish them from those powered by internal combustion engines.
Hence the fact that the Taycan appears to be selling rather well ahead of its launch, the iPace is considered to be the best small electric SUV, and a number of other manufacturers are producing pretty excellent electric vehicles.
Other than Tesla (and it's nine years since I bought my first Tesla), who's the other disruptive newcomer in electric vehicles?
I'm usually the last person to defend Corbyn, but he's getting a raw deal on education on two counts here. It's completely wrong to say Labour brought SATS in. I sat the first tranche in 1993 and they were rolled out nationwide the following year.
Corbyn is right to want to get rid of them and Nick Gibb is talking rubbish as usual. Does he really think parents will be unable to tell if their children can read and write and do sums without some pathetic and irrelevant test dreamed up by some barely intelligent nonentity in London? How does he think private schools manage?
Really.
Depends top PISA ranked Singapore has plenty of tests, though SATs should not limit a broad curriculum
The thing about SATS is that they are completely meaningless. Nobody pays any attention to them except OFSTED, and even they don't know how to use them or what they show.
To give you some idea of how useful the data from SATS is, my school tests every single Year 7 in their first week using a private company to establish their level of attainment in maths and English, because SATS results do not tell us that.
So if they do no good - get rid.
This is pretty common, as is incorporating elements of IQ/general cognitive testing for Year 7 intakes - whatever it takes to make accurate forecasts of Year 11 performance (and indeed, where they should be in Years 8 to 10 too). This helps track progression throughout secondary school and flag people who are not reaching their expected level for extra support.
What I don't like about this is that, as another example of the distorting result of targets, those kids predicted to be just above or just below whatever the current threshold is to count as a league table success, can end up being given very substantial levels of extra resources. I don't like how arbitrary this is - a fairly small change in government target definitions would mean resources being switched to an almost completely different subset of kids!
I have mixed feelings - it's important to track how well schools are doing. But for kids that young to be put through high-stakes testing (even if it's supposedly the schools, not kids, being tested) seems wrong, given our child welfare issues. When pushy parents are running around buying SATS revision guides and hiring private tutors to make sure their kid gets a good level, on an exam that's meant to assess the school, clearly things have gone mad.
I'd only be in favour of SATS continuing if they were largely delinked from any consequences for the child.
One possibility: only a random sample of kids should sit the tests, possibly not every school every year. Problem with this is checking whether schools are achieving progression. (Something like this was done in the pre-SATS era to check national standards.)
Another: simply never release individual-level results, only school aggregates. Parents might complain it's barmy for their kids to be prepped for a year for a test they never get results for, but they'd be missing the point. (Has some other downsides, e.g. kids might not take the test seriously given there's no feedback.)
Or counterintuitively, perhaps the problem is we've made the SATS a Big Deal by doing them as a small number of formal exams, sat as if they were A-levels - and so maybe we could make them a Small Deal by having absolutely bloody loads of them. Also letting us make them more holistic and less distorting to the primary curriculum. Let's say, every single termtime Thursday at 2 pm the tablets come out and everyone does this week's surprise (no chance for sneaky teachers to prep their class) 20 minute SATS Challenge Task. Fill in some times tables. Spellings. Multiple-choice comprehension test. Plan a journey from a map and train timetable. Write a short poem. Work out a shopping budget. Paint a picture of a tree in a drawing app. General knowledge quiz* on geography and history. Reassemble a jumbled cooking recipe into the correct order and pick out three "healthy meals" from photos of ten. Whatever. Try to keep it fun. Mark it automatically (more creative bits might need teachers to mark themselves and maybe double-mark some examples from other schools for moderation purposes). This approach would be a lot of faff. But it would generate richer data at national, school and individual level, while largely eliminating "teaching to the test" and high-stake exam pressure.
* General knowledge quizzes were a staple of my primary school learning, but I'm told they've largely disappeared in the SATS era. Whereas if there was a Humanities SATS paper, I bet they would be back like a flash.
That all sounds very complex.
Can we come back to the main point - if private schools can manage without them, and the data is not used for anything even vaguely important, why do we not just get rid of them?
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On the whole, the privatised network is much better than in British Rail days and more responsive to the customer rather than the unions.
Those who yearn for nationalisation should try working with TfL or Network Rail.
That seems a rather doctrinaire position
On this thread your fellow cultists are majoring on Britain’s Pacific coastline. All this because they have an unreasoning emotional hatred of Britain’s neighbourhood. It’s not a political problem but a psychiatric one.
That's the thing about gaining independence. It's a gain. There are no Aussies or Seychellois or Ghanaians or Afghans or Yemenis bemoaning the lost expected GDP from the independence eras and wanting back into the Empire.
https://www.betfair.com/exchange/plus/politics/market/1.127103176
https://www.pollbludger.net/bludgertrack2019/
https://twitter.com/OwenJones84/status/1118210927915040770
It was not costed, in the sense that most of the figures bore no resemblance to reality, and that when reality was brought in there was a £300 billion black hole.
So the answer is, 'they' are wrong. But because it isn't exactly a lie - more that they've fallen for a lie that's been fed to them - they don't like being told this. There's one particular poster who has had it demonstrated to him, with evidence, that there are at least six different ways the figures don't add up. But while quite reasonable on everything else, he absolutely refuses to consider this and gets quite nasty when you press him.
I also note how Brexiteers are accused of insularity, before being criticized for wanting to expand our horizons to Asia and the Americas. I think you need to be a bit more tolerant of those with different views to you.
'Fuck off out of it if you can't observe the niceties.'
Just as Tim Yeo was forgiven his affair, because he never moralised and fessed up, but Piers Merchant was not because he posed as a family values man and pretended there was no affair (although he age of the girl in question was an issue as well).
Britain’s borders are not on the Pacific. The wilful damage to Britain’s deepest and most extensive trading ties is gambling the house in pursuit of fairy gold. And all because a group of affluent reactionaries decided that it was worth campaigning on xenophobic lies in order to indulge their emotional dislike of the EU.
So far, I have not seen a single thing that would suggest they are happening, other than my polling card.
Pathetic. None of them deserve my vote.
This is a classic area where Blairite soundbites are misleading. Yes, they ?doubled? spending on schools, but the results didn't particularly shift, especially in the critical areas of illiteracy and innumeracy.
Essentially, the money made teachers feel better but did fa for the kids who really needed the help.
And they made matters worse with a brain-dead target of 50% of all children on to university, when a sane approach would have been a wholescale reappraisal of FE based on what the country requires.
I later taught at another school in Gloucestershire. They had to put up second hand temporary buildings in 1990. They were finally able to replace them in 2015. Boy, they stank. They were totally rotten and utterly inadequate. Funding? Consistently refused.
And some of us remember tuition fees and then the top up fees he promised not to bring in.
Don't get carried away by Campbell's propaganda. It wasn't a great time to be in education, although in fairness things did get worse in many ways under Gove.
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10212758497933687&id=1124597253
The maire is much pleasanter to listen to. He speaks really good English. Just a hint of American perhaps.
Edit - MBA from Harvard would explain that.
https://www.mairie04.paris.fr/ma-mairie/equipe-municipale/ariel-weil-468
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/australasia/pitcairn-the-island-of-fear-424862.html
Corbyn is right to want to get rid of them and Nick Gibb is talking rubbish as usual. Does he really think parents will be unable to tell if their children can read and write and do sums without some pathetic and irrelevant test dreamed up by some barely intelligent nonentity in London? How does he think private schools manage?
Really.
But with no UKIP candidate this time (and in the full awareness it's not that simple) the Labour administration less than brilliantly popular and a Green candidate to outflank them on the left, I would say Cannock North is potentially in play.
Cesspit would be a better metaphor.
Hypocrisy on the left is breathtaking
My personal favourite
Misogony is awful - anyone guilty needs to be hounded from public life.
When a Labourite awful to women - cuddle, cuddle - been on a journey that one - move on.
I hope the posters on here who professed to see no evidence of anti semitism are proud of themselves.
In quite what manner Labour would mess things up is a matter of speculation, but getting rid of the current unproductive, time consuming straitjacket would be a definite positive.
PB Leavers haven't caught up.
Odd, they are normally fans of Gove.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/jul/16/michael-gove-admits-leave-was-wrong-to-fuel-immigration-fears
To give you some idea of how useful the data from SATS is, my school tests every single Year 7 in their first week using a private company to establish their level of attainment in maths and English, because SATS results do not tell us that.
So if they do no good - get rid.
Big, big Gove
I think everyone has a right to point out that the party that most looks like a throwback from the 1930s right now is in red.
All of the countries who have joined the EU chose to do so of their own free will.
This difference may have a bearing on the situation. Just possibly.
I'd only be in favour of SATS continuing if they were largely delinked from any consequences for the child.
One possibility: only a random sample of kids should sit the tests, possibly not every school every year. Problem with this is checking whether schools are achieving progression. (Something like this was done in the pre-SATS era to check national standards.)
Another: simply never release individual-level results, only school aggregates. Parents might complain it's barmy for their kids to be prepped for a year for a test they never get results for, but they'd be missing the point. (Has some other downsides, e.g. kids might not take the test seriously given there's no feedback.)
Or counterintuitively, perhaps the problem is we've made the SATS a Big Deal by doing them as a small number of formal exams, sat as if they were A-levels - and so maybe we could make them a Small Deal by having absolutely bloody loads of them. Also letting us make them more holistic and less distorting to the primary curriculum. Let's say, every single termtime Thursday at 2 pm the tablets come out and everyone does this week's surprise (no chance for sneaky teachers to prep their class) 20 minute SATS Challenge Task. Fill in some times tables. Spellings. Multiple-choice comprehension test. Plan a journey from a map and train timetable. Write a short poem. Work out a shopping budget. Paint a picture of a tree in a drawing app. General knowledge quiz* on geography and history. Reassemble a jumbled cooking recipe into the correct order and pick out three "healthy meals" from photos of ten. Whatever. Try to keep it fun. Mark it automatically (more creative bits might need teachers to mark themselves and maybe double-mark some examples from other schools for moderation purposes). This approach would be a lot of faff. But it would generate richer data at national, school and individual level, while largely eliminating "teaching to the test" and high-stake exam pressure.
* General knowledge quizzes were a staple of my primary school learning, but I'm told they've largely disappeared in the SATS era. Whereas if there was a Humanities SATS paper, I bet they would be back like a flash.
'We have to be careful about historical comparisons, but Albert Einstein during the 1930s was denounced by the German authorities for being wrong and his theories were denounced, and one of the reasons of course he was denounced was because he was Jewish.'
They always seem to say "Die, lithium!"
Simply, an electric car still needs tyres, steel, windscreens, wipers, sunroofs, seatbelts, headlamps, seats, brake pads, mirrors, and a million other things that don't distinguish them from those powered by internal combustion engines.
Hence the fact that the Taycan appears to be selling rather well ahead of its launch, the iPace is considered to be the best small electric SUV, and a number of other manufacturers are producing pretty excellent electric vehicles.
Other than Tesla (and it's nine years since I bought my first Tesla), who's the other disruptive newcomer in electric vehicles?
What I don't like about this is that, as another example of the distorting result of targets, those kids predicted to be just above or just below whatever the current threshold is to count as a league table success, can end up being given very substantial levels of extra resources. I don't like how arbitrary this is - a fairly small change in government target definitions would mean resources being switched to an almost completely different subset of kids!
Can we come back to the main point - if private schools can manage without them, and the data is not used for anything even vaguely important, why do we not just get rid of them?