Unlike Labour, Leavers are not on a virtue signalling crusade to preach how anti-racist they are and how everyone who doesn't agree with them is a Nazi.
Michael Gove said that we needed to leave the EU to have a "non racist" immigration policy, and that experts who predicted that it was a bad idea were like Nazi scientists.
He said German scientists not Nazi scientists. His comment was more about how a nasty government could threaten experts, in this case scientists into saying what they want them to say. In this case he was having a go at Osborne.
Bullshit.
'We have to be careful about historical comparisons, but Albert Einstein during the 1930s was denounced by the German authorities for being wrong and his theories were denounced, and one of the reasons of course he was denounced was because he was Jewish.'
I do not disagree with this. But my point still stands Gove did not say Nazi scientists, he said Germans scientists.
Here is the quote
“We have to be careful about historical comparisons, but Albert Einstein during the 1930s was denounced by the German authorities for being wrong and his theories were denounced and one of the reasons of course he was denounced was because he was Jewish. They got 100 German scientists in the pay of the government to say that he was wrong and Einstein said ‘Look, if I was wrong, one would have been enough.’”
Mr. Rentool, what can I say? I don't subscribe to the creed of failure that is socialism.
But you subscribe to the creed of failure that is Brexit.
Both are two cheeks of the same arse.
Both leave the UK poorer and damaged, both are championed by many on the hard left.
I dont recall the hard left calling the referendum, wasnt that the failure that was Cameron ?
nifesto.
sure, but they6 didnt actually call the referendum.
That was Cameron because he couldnt manage his party and then Osborne screwed up the campaign
Nobody can manage the Tory party on the EU, it has ousted or destroyed Thatcher, Major, Cameron, and May.
The Tory split is coming, the question is not if but when.
I wouldn't be so sure. Every step of the way the pro-EU (or less anti-EU) part of the Tory party has been defeated and then marginalised and afterwards no-one has looked back. This process is continuing. It ends with either a Conservative government fighting a De Valera style economic war against the EU, or a Conservative opposition opposing every agreement with the EU.
Where are the Conservatives advocating membership of the single currency now?
It ends with the Conservative Party uniting around a position of the UK being in charge of its own laws and immigration policy, just like most countries in the world. There is nothing extreme about that and it is the naturally conservative position.
And the UK ends up comparable with Tanzania.
I believe the UK is capable of being a rich, developed country with a democratic, non-corrupt culture just as Canada and Australia are.
Although we'll struggle to have a resources dominated economy.
Neither Canada or Australia are resource dominated. They have diversified economies.
Given that nationalised railways are the mainstream default position in London, France, Germany, Italy, Spain and Northern Ireland, it’s hardly an extreme position as you suggest. The difference with our bonkers franchising model is that we allow other countries to own networks but not our own (except when the privateers frequently fuck everything up, a la East Coast).
That might be an argument, if Labour's only controversial proposal was nationalising railways.
And you don't seem to realise that many EU countries have privatised parts of their networks, and that the EU is taking steps to increase competition:
I’m quite aware of that, alongside state owned railways. Here, we only allow state owned franchises in London or when the private sector makes a frequent hash of things, a la East Coast. That’s an extreme doctrinaire position.
And in the case of the East Coast line the service is poorer under public ownership and investment is stagnating whilst in London TfL are billions in debt. Not exactly great adverts for public ownership.
There are no magic bullets when it comes to ownership structures for the railways.
On the whole, the privatised network is much better than in British Rail days and more responsive to the customer rather than the unions.
Those who yearn for nationalisation should try working with TfL or Network Rail.
Given you work for a publicly owned rail project -Crossrail - one might accuse you of hypocrisy.
Given the current state of Crossrail, I'm not sure bringing it into this argument is exactly making a compelling case for public ownership!
Well indeed. But there are many excellent public railways, including the UK’s most popular one. Doctrinaire policy against them is just stupid. Horses for courses is the way forward.
Heathrow Express is not publicly owned. Nor is Grand Central. Chiltern Trains arguably is, but not by our government.
Mr. Rentool, what can I say? I don't subscribe to the creed of failure that is socialism.
But you subscribe to the creed of failure that is Brexit.
Both are two cheeks of the same arse.
Both leave the UK poorer and damaged, both are championed by many on the hard left.
I dont recall the hard left calling the referendum, wasnt that the failure that was Cameron ?
nifesto.
sure, but they6 didnt actually call the referendum.
That was Cameron because he couldnt manage his party and then Osborne screwed up the campaign
Nobody can manage the Tory party on the EU, it has ousted or destroyed Thatcher, Major, Cameron, and May.
The Tory split is coming, the question is not if but when.
I wouldn't be so sure. Every
Where are the Conservatives advocating membership of the single currency now?
It ends with the Conservative Party uniting around a position of the UK being in charge of its own laws and immigration policy, just like most countries in the world. There is nothing extreme about that and it is the naturally conservative position.
And the UK ends up comparable with Tanzania.
I believe the UK is capable of being a rich, developed country with a democratic, non-corrupt culture just as Canada and Australia are.
Although we'll struggle to have a resources dominated economy.
Neither Canada or Australia are resource dominated. They have diversified economies.
Mr. Rentool, what can I say? I don't subscribe to the creed of failure that is socialism.
But you subscribe to the creed of failure that is Brexit.
Both are two cheeks of the same arse.
Both leave the UK poorer and damaged, both are championed by many on the hard left.
I dont recall the hard left calling the referendum, wasnt that the failure that was Cameron ?
nifesto.
sure, but they6 didnt actually call the referendum.
That was Cameron because he couldnt manage his party and then Osborne screwed up the campaign
Nobody can manage the Tory party on the EU, it has ousted or destroyed Thatcher, Major, Cameron, and May.
The Tory split is coming, the question is not if but when.
I wouldn't be so sure. Every
Where are the Conservatives advocating membership of the single currency now?
It ends with the Conservative Party uniting around a position of the UK being in charge of its own laws and immigration policy, just like most countries in the world. There is nothing extreme about that and it is the naturally conservative position.
And the UK ends up comparable with Tanzania.
I believe the UK is capable of being a rich, developed country with a democratic, non-corrupt culture just as Canada and Australia are.
Although we'll struggle to have a resources dominated economy.
Neither Canada or Australia are resource dominated. They have diversified economies.
Mr. Rentool, what can I say? I don't subscribe to the creed of failure that is socialism.
But you subscribe to the creed of failure that is Brexit.
Both are two cheeks of the same arse.
Both leave the UK poorer and damaged, both are championed by many on the hard left.
I dont recall the hard left calling the referendum, wasnt that the failure that was Cameron ?
nifesto.
sure, but they6 didnt actually call the referendum.
That was Cameron because he couldnt manage his party and then Osborne screwed up the campaign
Nobody can manage the Tory party on the EU, it has ousted or destroyed Thatcher, Major, Cameron, and May.
The Tory split is coming, the question is not if but when.
I wouldn't be so sure. Every step of the way the pro-EU (or less anti-EU) part of the Tory party has been defeated and then marginalised and afterwards no-one has looked back. This process is continuing. It ends with either a Conservative government fighting a De Valera style economic war against the EU, or a Conservative opposition opposing every agreement with the EU.
Where are the Conservatives advocating membership of the single currency now?
It ends with the Conservative Party .
And the UK ends up comparable with Tanzania.
I believe the UK is capable of being a rich, developed country with a democratic, non-corrupt culture just as Canada and Australia are.
Although we'll struggle to have a resources dominated economy.
Neither Canada or Australia are resource dominated. They have diversified economies.
Sure, both are like us economically dominated by the service sector, but their exports are substantially mining, and agricultural.
Perhaps we could get a trade deal on Iron ore for our steelworks.
Mr. Rentool, what can I say? I don't subscribe to the creed of failure that is socialism.
But you subscribe to the creed of failure that is Brexit.
Both are two cheeks of the same arse.
Both leave the UK poorer and damaged, both are championed by many on the hard left.
I dont recall the hard left calling the referendum, wasnt that the failure that was Cameron ?
nifesto.
sure, but they6 didnt actually call the referendum.
That was Cameron because he couldnt manage his party and then Osborne screwed up the campaign
Nobody can manage the Tory party on the EU, it has ousted or destroyed Thatcher, Major, Cameron, and May.
The Tory split is coming, the question is not if but when.
I wouldn't be so sure. Every step of the way the pro-EU (or less anti-EU) part of the Tory party has been defeated and then marginalised and afterwards no-one has looked back. This process is continuing. It ends with either a Conservative government fighting a De Valera style economic war against the EU, or a Conservative opposition opposing every agreement with the EU.
Where are the Conservatives advocating membership of the single currency now?
It ends with the Conservative Party .
And the UK ends up comparable with Tanzania.
I believe the UK is capable of being a rich, developed country with a democratic, non-corrupt culture just as Canada and Australia are.
Although we'll struggle to have a resources dominated economy.
Neither Canada or Australia are resource dominated. They have diversified economies.
Sure, both are like us economically dominated by the service sector, but their exports are substantially mining, and agricultural.
Perhaps we could get a trade deal on Iron ore for our steelworks.
And if we can't get a deal on iron ore, we should steel it.
Given that nationalised railways are the mainstream default position in London, France, Germany, Italy, Spain and Northern Ireland, it’s hardly an extreme position as you suggest. The difference with our bonkers franchising model is that we allow other countries to own networks but not our own (except when the privateers frequently fuck everything up, a la East Coast).
That might be an argument, if Labour's only controversial proposal was nationalising railways.
And you don't seem to realise that many EU countries have privatised parts of their networks, and that the EU is taking steps to increase competition:
I’m quite aware of that, alongside state owned railways. Here, we only allow state owned franchises in London or when the private sector makes a frequent hash of things, a la East Coast. That’s an extreme doctrinaire position.
And in the case of the East Coast line the service is poorer under public ownership and investment is stagnating whilst in London TfL are billions in debt. Not exactly great adverts for public ownership.
There are no magic bullets when it comes to ownership structures for the railways.
On the whole, the privatised network is much better than in British Rail days and more responsive to the customer rather than the unions.
Those who yearn for nationalisation should try working with TfL or Network Rail.
Given you work for a publicly owned rail project -Crossrail - one might accuse you of hypocrisy.
Given the current state of Crossrail, I'm not sure bringing it into this argument is exactly making a compelling case for public ownership!
Well indeed. But there are many excellent public railways, including the UK’s most popular one. Doctrinaire policy against them is just stupid. Horses for courses is the way forward.
Heathrow Express is not publicly owned. Nor is Grand Central. Chiltern Trains arguably is, but not by our government.
Grand Central is owned by Arriva, which is a subsidiary of DB, the German state railway system. Most railway operators in the UK are state owned, it's just that the states which own them are foreign ones.
It already is. But a death cult seems determined to inflict as much damage as possible on it in pursuance of a mad hobbyhorse.
I can only assume you would be talking about Corbyn and Labour as there is no evidence for anything else that fits the description except in your own delusions.
The latest institution that the death cult has attacked is the monarchy: Andrew Lilico wants it abolished because the Queen didn’t refuse royal assent. This follows the death cult’s assaults on the House of Commons, the House of Lords, the BBC, the Bank of England, the judiciary, the electoral commission and indeed pretty well any civic institution you can name. For people who claim to love this country, there isn’t much of it they love.
On this thread your fellow cultists are majoring on Britain’s Pacific coastline. All this because they have an unreasoning emotional hatred of Britain’s neighbourhood. It’s not a political problem but a psychiatric one.
It is an interesting phenomenon how Remainers bemoan the loss of civility in our politics, before calling their opponents Nazis and death cults. Andrew Lilico is not much of a Brexiteer, given he openly says Brexit is a marginal decision and he thinks Remain is better than May's deal.
I also note how Brexiteers are accused of insularity, before being criticized for wanting to expand our horizons to Asia and the Americas. I think you need to be a bit more tolerant of those with different views to you.
DUP MLA to an Irish journalist who didn't stand for 'God Save the Queen:'
'Fuck off out of it if you can't observe the niceties.'
That’s blunt. But I wouldn’t dream of sitting though another country’s national anthem
I dare say you might do if you were of the view that said country was occupying yours
So far, I have not seen a single thing that would suggest they are happening, other than my polling card.
Pathetic. None of them deserve my vote.
The Labour placards are up round here. No point me having one in the garden as it would only be seen by the wooly neighbours.
I've canvassed over half the homes in my ward so far, hope to do the rest by polling day (obviously half of them were out though!). It'll be interesting to see if it makes any difference...
Went to a hustings last night in a friend's ward. Candidates were asked how they'd stay in touch with voters if elected. The hopeful challengers trotted out the usual ideas - go where people are, have advice sessions in libraries etc.. The sitting Tory councillor replied frostily, "There is a local association that I belong to. From time to time, I meet them and we exchange views."
That's what can happen in a council with 90% of councillors all from one party. PR for local elections now! (Yes, I did say it when I lived in Nottingham too, which is 90% Labour)
It'll be the same as every large developed econony - 25-35%.
But here's the thing. Everything in your economy depends on your exports.
You can't make Starbucks Latte unless you have the foreign currency earnings to buy the coffee beans. Or the coffee machine.
You can't produce the power for the lights in the baber's shop without importing natural gas.
Those services, that make up most of GDP, only exist because of exports. Take away the exports, and the coffee and the haircut don't happen.
So a fraction of Australia's GDP is resources. That is not domination.
Your currency will always depreciate until you get the foreign currency to buy enough needed imports. Unless you do something stupid like join the Euro.
Given you work for a publicly owned rail project -Crossrail - one might accuse you of hypocrisy.Given the current state of Crossrail, I'm not sure bringing it into this argument is exactly making a compelling case for public ownership!
Well indeed. But there are many excellent public railways, including the UK’s most popular one. Doctrinaire policy against them is just stupid. Horses for courses is the way forward.
Heathrow Express is not publicly owned. Nor is Grand Central. Chiltern Trains arguably is, but not by our government.
Grand Central is owned by Arriva, which is a subsidiary of DB, the German state railway system. Most railway operators in the UK are state owned, it's just that the states which own them are foreign ones.
So it is. My mistake, I thought it was still independent.
Doesn't alter the fact that the 'most popular railway' is not publicly owned. In fact if as I assume GNER is the railway in question, it had a pretty poor 2018 and now languishes in a lowly eighth place for passenger satisfaction:
So far, I have not seen a single thing that would suggest they are happening, other than my polling card.
Pathetic. None of them deserve my vote.
The Labour placards are up round here. No point me having one in the garden as it would only be seen by the wooly neighbours.
I've canvassed over half the homes in my ward so far, hope to do the rest by polling day (obviously half of them were out though!). It'll be interesting to see if it makes any difference...
You would hope so, it'd be lame to think additional effort doesn't help. I'd guess it depends. Certainly I know councillors who won, unexpectedly, and admitted they hadn't even leafleted half their division, while I know others resented them for that because they busted a gut to win what was a relatively comfortable seat anyway.
(Although sceptical that Sirius should be worth £1bn)
(I own a few shares of Sirius that I bought around 24-25p, as I'm quite bullish on long-term potash demand, and a number of Canadian projects have been put on the backburner.)
It already is. But a death cult seems determined to inflict as much damage as possible on it in pursuance of a mad hobbyhorse.
I can only assume you would be talking about Corbyn and Labour as there is no evidence for anything else that fits the description except in your own delusions.
The latest institution that the death cult has attacked is the monarchy: Andrew Lilico wants it abolished because the Queen didn’t refuse royal assent. This follows the death cult’s assaults on the House of Commons, the House of Lords, the BBC, the Bank of England, the judiciary, the electoral commission and indeed pretty well any civic institution you can name. For people who claim to love this country, there isn’t much of it they love.
On this thread your fellow cultists are majoring on Britain’s Pacific coastline. All this because they have an unreasoning emotional hatred of Britain’s neighbourhood. It’s not a political problem but a psychiatric one.
It is an interesting phenomenon how Remainers bemoan the loss of civility in our politics, before calling their opponents Nazis and death cults. Andrew Lilico is not much of a Brexiteer, given he openly says Brexit is a marginal decision and he thinks Remain is better than May's deal.
I also note how Brexiteers are accused of insularity, before being criticized for wanting to expand our horizons to Asia and the Americas. I think you need to be a bit more tolerant of those with different views to you.
DUP MLA to an Irish journalist who didn't stand for 'God Save the Queen:'
'Fuck off out of it if you can't observe the niceties.'
That’s blunt. But I wouldn’t dream of sitting though another country’s national anthem
I dare say you might do if you were of the view that said country was occupying yours
Then don’t show up
It’s just discourtesy.
The OP implied she was a journalist and therefore there in a professional capacity. Let her chose whether to stand or not.
(Although sceptical that Sirius should be worth £1bn)
(I own a few shares of Sirius that I bought around 24-25p, as I'm quite bullish on long-term potash demand, and a number of Canadian projects have been put on the backburner.)
Those are the ones currently trading at 22p?
😂
I like potash too - sat next to the princeling who was running one of Jordan’s mines a few years ago. He talked me through the demand story which seemed to have decent legs.
It already is. But a death cult seems determined to inflict as much damage as possible on it in pursuance of a mad hobbyhorse.
I can only assume you would be talking about Corbyn and Labour as there is no evidence for anything else that fits the description except in your own delusions.
The latest institution that the death cult has attacked is the monarchy: Andrew Lilico wants it abolished because the Queen didn’t refuse royal assent. This follows the death cult’s assaults on the House of Commons, the House of Lords, the BBC, the Bank of England, the judiciary, the electoral commission and indeed pretty well any civic institution you can name. For people who claim to love this country, there isn’t much of it they love.
On this thread your fellow cultists are majoring on Britain’s Pacific coastline. All this because they have an unreasoning emotional hatred of Britain’s neighbourhood. It’s not a political problem but a psychiatric one.
It is an interesting phenomenon how Remainers bemoan the loss of civility in our politics, before calling their opponents Nazis and death cults. Andrew Lilico is not much of a Brexiteer, given he openly says Brexit is a marginal decision and he thinks Remain is better than May's deal.
I also note how Brexiteers are accused of insularity, before being criticized for wanting to expand our horizons to Asia and the Americas. I think you need to be a bit more tolerant of those with different views to you.
DUP MLA to an Irish journalist who didn't stand for 'God Save the Queen:'
'Fuck off out of it if you can't observe the niceties.'
That’s blunt. But I wouldn’t dream of sitting though another country’s national anthem
I dare say you might do if you were of the view that said country was occupying yours
Then don’t show up
It’s just discourtesy.
The OP implied she was a journalist and therefore there in a professional capacity. Let her chose whether to stand or not.
A guest should always be considerate to their hosts.
Problem is none of the leadership candidates want the job now . They want to ride in after Brexit is done and not have to deal with the poisoned chalice .
Tiresome stuff. It's the South Park underpants gnomes' version of politics. Step 1 Remove TMay Step 2 ?? Step 3 Success.
Very few are arguing about steps 1 and 3, and sure that's some measure of success, but if the plan for step 2 is just activate Boris to do some churchillian waffling I really think the members will be surprised at what that achieves.
It'll be the same as every large developed econony - 25-35%.
But here's the thing. Everything in your economy depends on your exports.
You can't make Starbucks Latte unless you have the foreign currency earnings to buy the coffee beans. Or the coffee machine.
You can't produce the power for the lights in the baber's shop without importing natural gas.
Those services, that make up most of GDP, only exist because of exports. Take away the exports, and the coffee and the haircut don't happen.
So a fraction of Australia's GDP is resources. That is not domination.
Your currency will always depreciate until you get the foreign currency to buy enough needed imports. Unless you do something stupid like join the Euro.
Go look at the link that I sent you, and then compare Australia's exports with those of the UK, Switzerland, the US or any number of other countries.
Most countries - like us - have a diverse range of exports. We sell cars. We sell electronics. We sell asset management services. We sell lots of things, and those things tend to be quite uncorrelated.
That's really not true of Australia. Primary commodities dominate Australia's exports in a way completely unmatched by any other large developed country. Let's put this in context for a second: on OEC rankings, Australia's economy is less complex than Kuwait. And I think you'd regard Kuwait as - ooohhh... - fairly commodity dominated.
(Although sceptical that Sirius should be worth £1bn)
(I own a few shares of Sirius that I bought around 24-25p, as I'm quite bullish on long-term potash demand, and a number of Canadian projects have been put on the backburner.)
Those are the ones currently trading at 22p?
😂
I like potash too - sat next to the princeling who was running one of Jordan’s mines a few years ago. He talked me through the demand story which seemed to have decent legs.
Are they back up 22p! They were 19p for a while And it's not like I'm getting compensated with a dividend
Can we come back to the main point - if private schools can manage without them, and the data is not used for anything even vaguely important, why do we not just get rid of them?
Private schools are somewhat different- both in terms of who is funding them and what that funder's expectations of provision are, and they do have metrics of their own that they're chasing. (Private primary schools will often advertise their 11+ pass rate if they're grammar school areas, or equivalent private senior entry exams if that's what most parents are hoping for kids to progress to.)
State primary schools are expected to provide a certain standard of education and achieve certain rates of progression across year groups. Managers ought to be aware of whether their school is exhibiting relative weaknesses either in certain syllabus areas (e.g. their maths results might be okay but their literacy results may be below expectations) or in certain stages (e.g. infant provision might be good, but junior pupils might show less progress than expected). Structured, comparable data can help flag these things up. I don't think that current SATS system is doing an amazing job at this, but it does have some discriminatory power to pick out high/low performing schools and students who are above or below expected attainment levels.
There are some tasks (spellings tests, times tables tests, reading comprehensions) that are undertaken regularly at primary schools up and down the country and could easily be rendered comparable and performed electronically without adding to the workload burden. Whether these are seen as Mini-SATS or whatever, I do think there's some mileage in the idea of more regular, bitesize standardised testing but at far lower stakes. If you're generating data over the course of the year that says e.g. "taking into account your school's circumstances, your results are consistently in the top 30% for maths but bottom 40% for English" then you've got the chance of actionable insights (e.g. "switch out some maths lessons for extra English lessons"). The idea of "flying blind" with no inter-school comparable data at all seems somewhat precarious to me, though I'm obviously biased as a data-loving guy myself. Perhaps data-driven managerialism is overdue a counterblast. Clearly what is not measured is often far more important than what is measured, and the act of measurement is itself distorting.
Problem is none of the leadership candidates want the job now . They want to ride in after Brexit is done and not have to deal with the poisoned chalice .
It's been part of the problem for most of a year - plenty of still serving Cabinet members have let it be know they think various plans and strategies have been awful, that they are at war with one another and May has not got a grip on things, but who'd want to take this crap on? The ERG and allies eventually moved I assume because it was getting embarrassing how much they were saying May's deal was basically treasonous without calling for her to go, but we all know many who kept her in place did not do so because they had confidence in her.
It already is. But a death cult seems determined to inflict as much damage as possible on it in pursuance of a mad hobbyhorse.
I can only assume you would be talking about Corbyn and Labour as there is no evidence for anything else that fits the description except in your own delusions.
The latest institution that the death cult has attacked is the monarchy: Andrew Lilico wants it abolished because the Queen didn’t refuse royal assent. This follows the death cult’s assaults on the House of Commons, the House of Lords, the BBC, the Bank of England, the judiciary, the electoral commission and indeed pretty well any civic institution you can name. For people who claim to love this country, there isn’t much of it they love.
On this thread your fellow cultists are majoring on Britain’s Pacific coastline. All this because they have an unreasoning emotional hatred of Britain’s neighbourhood. It’s not a political problem but a psychiatric one.
It is an interesting phenomenon how Remainers bemoan the loss of civility in our politics, before calling their opponents Nazis and death cults. Andrew Lilico is not much of a Brexiteer, given he openly says Brexit is a marginal decision and he thinks Remain is better than May's deal.
I also note how Brexiteers are accused of insularity, before being criticized for wanting to expand our horizons to Asia and the Americas. I think you need to be a bit more tolerant of those with different views to you.
DUP MLA to an Irish journalist who didn't stand for 'God Save the Queen:'
'Fuck off out of it if you can't observe the niceties.'
That’s blunt. But I wouldn’t dream of sitting though another country’s national anthem
I dare say you might do if you were of the view that said country was occupying yours
Then don’t show up
It’s just discourtesy.
The OP implied she was a journalist and therefore there in a professional capacity. Let her chose whether to stand or not.
A guest should always be considerate to their hosts.
It’s not a dinner party. She was at work, on a job.
It already is. But a death cult seems determined to inflict as much damage as possible on it in pursuance of a mad hobbyhorse.
I can only assume you would be talking about Corbyn and Labour as there is no evidence for anything else that fits the description except in your own delusions.
The latest institution that the death cult has attacked is the monarchy: Andrew Lilico wants it abolished because the Queen didn’t refuse royal assent. This follows the death cult’s assaults on the House of Commons, the House of Lords, the BBC, the Bank of England, the judiciary, the electoral commission and indeed pretty well any civic institution you can name. For people who claim to love this country, there isn’t much of it they love.
On this thread your fellow cultists are majoring on Britain’s Pacific coastline. All this because they have an unreasoning emotional hatred of Britain’s neighbourhood. It’s not a political problem but a psychiatric one.
It is an interesting phenomenon how Remainers bemoan the loss of civility in our politics, before calling their opponents Nazis and death cults. Andrew Lilico is not much of a Brexiteer, given he openly says Brexit is a marginal decision and he thinks Remain is better than May's deal.
I also note how Brexiteers are accused of insularity, before being criticized for wanting to expand our horizons to Asia and the Americas. I think you need to be a bit more tolerant of those with different views to you.
DUP MLA to an Irish journalist who didn't stand for 'God Save the Queen:'
'Fuck off out of it if you can't observe the niceties.'
That’s blunt. But I wouldn’t dream of sitting though another country’s national anthem
I dare say you might do if you were of the view that said country was occupying yours
Then don’t show up
It’s just discourtesy.
The OP implied she was a journalist and therefore there in a professional capacity. Let her chose whether to stand or not.
A guest should always be considerate to their hosts.
It already is. But a death cult seems determined to inflict as much damage as possible on it in pursuance of a mad hobbyhorse.
I can only assume you would be talking about Corbyn and Labour as there is no evidence for anything else that fits the description except in your own delusions.
The latest institution that the death cult has attacked is the monarchy: Andrew Lilico wants it abolished because the Queen didn’t refuse royal assent. This follows the death cult’s assaults on the House of Commons, the House of Lords, the BBC, the Bank of England, the judiciary, the electoral commission and indeed pretty well any civic institution you can name. For people who claim to love this country, there isn’t much of it they love.
On this thread your fellow cultists are majoring on Britain’s Pacific coastline. All this because they have an unreasoning emotional hatred of Britain’s neighbourhood. It’s not a political problem but a psychiatric one.
It is an interesting phenomenon how Remainers bemoan the loss of civility in our politics, before calling their opponents Nazis and death cults. Andrew Lilico is not much of a Brexiteer, given he openly says Brexit is a marginal decision and he thinks Remain is better than May's deal.
I also note how Brexiteers are accused of insularity, before being criticized for wanting to expand our horizons to Asia and the Americas. I think you need to be a bit more tolerant of those with different views to you.
DUP MLA to an Irish journalist who didn't stand for 'God Save the Queen:'
'Fuck off out of it if you can't observe the niceties.'
That’s blunt. But I wouldn’t dream of sitting though another country’s national anthem
I dare say you might do if you were of the view that said country was occupying yours
Then don’t show up
It’s just discourtesy.
The OP implied she was a journalist and therefore there in a professional capacity. Let her chose whether to stand or not.
A guest should always be considerate to their hosts.
Aren't they overlooking the fact that 66% of MPs will have to approve any constitutional change in the party leadership rules?
From the Conservative Party Constitution...
"this Constitution may only be amended if approved by 92.1 not less than 50% of those members of the Constitutional College eligible to vote and 92.2 not less than 66% of Members of Parliament voting; and 92.3 not less than 66% of Members of the National Conservative Convention voting."
It already is. But a death cult seems determined to inflict as much damage as possible on it in pursuance of a mad hobbyhorse.
I can only assume you would be talking about Corbyn and Labour as there is no evidence for anything else that fits the description except in your own delusions.
The latest institution that the death cult has attacked is the monarchy: Andrew Lilico wants it abolished because the Queen didn’t refuse royal assent. This follows the death cult’s assaults on the House of Commons, the House of Lords, the BBC, the Bank of England, the judiciary, the electoral commission and indeed pretty well any civic institution you can name. For people who claim to love this country, there isn’t much of it they love.
On this thread your fellow cultists are majoring on Britain’s Pacific coastline. All this because they have an unreasoning emotional hatred of Britain’s neighbourhood. It’s not a political problem but a psychiatric one.
It is an interesting phenomenon how Remainers bemoan the loss of civility in our politics, before calling their opponents Nazis and death cults. Andrew Lilico is not much of a Brexiteer, given he openly says Brexit is a marginal decision and he thinks Remain is better than May's deal.
I also note how Brexiteers are accused of insularity, before being criticized for wanting to expand our horizons to Asia and the Americas. I think you need to be a bit more tolerant of those with different views to you.
DUP MLA to an Irish journalist who didn't stand for 'God Save the Queen:'
'Fuck off out of it if you can't observe the niceties.'
That’s blunt. But I wouldn’t dream of sitting though another country’s national anthem
I dare say you might do if you were of the view that said country was occupying yours
Then don’t show up
It’s just discourtesy.
The OP implied she was a journalist and therefore there in a professional capacity. Let her chose whether to stand or not.
A guest should always be considerate to their hosts.
It’s not a dinner party. She was at work, on a job.
Being at work is not a reason to forget good manners.
Must be a quiet news day. Probably isn’t that hard to find recorded cctv footage of young men committing crimes including abusing women in London. Banks could just have taped Crimewatch!
I dare say there are plenty of migrant Crossing videos too.
They can't lead the thinking as their very purpose is to be stuck in the past when Blairite centre politics ruled. They seem utterly incapable of seeing what a failure that has been for so many people.
There might be those who look back on the pre-2008 period of cheap food, cheap fuel, cheap money and rising asset values with a certain nostalgia. The current economic model is producing some extraordinary official statistics but they hide, in my view, some much less palatable truths about the impact of an unending supply of cheap labour which has allowed people to be absorbed into the workforce and has acted as a brake on process-driven improvement.
We are told by Boris Johnson he has a "tide of Tory ideas" if he becomes Prime Minister but neither the Conservative nor Labour parties seem any more suited to thinking about the future than the jibe you address at Change UK.
I hated the Blair years.
I felt he was making fundamental changes to Britain and we couldn’t lay a finger on him.
They were the best of times. Clearing away the right wing detritus. No more of the unspeakable in pursuit of the inedible. No more section 28. The Scottish Parliament. Repairing all the broken down schools. Indie music! Being in my 20s! I bumped into Tony last year (in the business class carriage on the Eurostar - yes, angry Leavers, all your stereotypes of the London bubble Remoaner 1% are correct) and was very happy to tell him I voted for him as leader in 1994.
"Repairing all the broken down schools."
This is a classic area where Blairite soundbites are misleading. Yes, they ?doubled? spending on schools, but the results didn't particularly shift, especially in the critical areas of illiteracy and innumeracy.
Essentially, the money made teachers feel better but did fa for the kids who really needed the help.
And they made matters worse with a brain-dead target of 50% of all children on to university, when a sane approach would have been a wholescale reappraisal of FE based on what the country requires.
Wow, a JJ post I'm 100% in agreement with and wouldn't rephrase a single sentence. Strange times indeed.
So far, I have not seen a single thing that would suggest they are happening, other than my polling card.
Pathetic. None of them deserve my vote.
The Labour placards are up round here. No point me having one in the garden as it would only be seen by the wooly neighbours.
I've canvassed over half the homes in my ward so far, hope to do the rest by polling day (obviously half of them were out though!). It'll be interesting to see if it makes any difference...
Went to a hustings last night in a friend's ward. Candidates were asked how they'd stay in touch with voters if elected. The hopeful challengers trotted out the usual ideas - go where people are, have advice sessions in libraries etc.. The sitting Tory councillor replied frostily, "There is a local association that I belong to. From time to time, I meet them and we exchange views."
That's what can happen in a council with 90% of councillors all from one party. PR for local elections now! (Yes, I did say it when I lived in Nottingham too, which is 90% Labour)
So the Tory was the only one who gave an honest answer. Good for him!
Aren't they overlooking the fact that 66% of MPs will have to approve any constitutional change?
From the Conservative Party Constitution...
"this Constitution may only be amended if approved by 92.1 not less than 50% of those members of the Constitutional College eligible to vote and 92.2 not less than 66% of Members of Parliament voting; and 92.3 not less than 66% of Members of the National Conservative Convention voting."
Not just that apparently there’s a minimum 4 week notice period for anything to happen . So that would take given the timing upto the end of May given the process hasn’t even reached that point .
It'll settle the European question once and for all and destroy the UK's Eurosceptic movement in the process.
Remember when the appeasers were in power and the likes of Churchill were in exile.
Ultimately Churchill was vindicated and the appeasers were destroyed.
That's what I'm hoping for.
Euroscepticism delenda est.
Be careful what you wish for. The list of countries that have gained independence and not gone back to the mothership is huge - there must be fifty from the British Empire alone. Each of those transitions would have been at least as economically and administratively disruptive as Brexit (at least on a per capita basis). And how many have gone back? I can only think of Anguilla.
That's the thing about gaining independence. It's a gain. There are no Aussies or Seychellois or Ghanaians or Afghans or Yemenis bemoaning the lost expected GDP from the independence eras and wanting back into the Empire.
Most (all?) of the colonies of the British Empire were conquered by force of arms, or ceded by Treaty following war with a different colonial power.
All of the countries who have joined the EU chose to do so of their own free will.
This difference may have a bearing on the situation. Just possibly.
New Zealand became a colony via a treaty (Waitangi) which guaranteed Maori rights and recognised land ownership, so in theory at least by consent. In practice not all Maori were represented, and the Maori and English versions of the treaty were different, so disputes started nearly immediately.
So it did. I'm not surprised that there was an exception to the rule.
Malta did a declaration of rights specifically to become a British Dominion when the Maltese were fed up with the French. Kuwait became a protectorate for fear of the Ottomans. Malawi signed (I think peaceful) treaties with the British ahead of the Portuguese. Also Bahrain (treaty with the local Al-Khalifas). Also Fiji, which the Baku had to try twice to cede. And Tonga sought protectorate status to prevent a coup. And some bits of Tuvalu and Kiribati (not permanently settled, added to protectorate).
Anyway, the point stands, none of them wanted back in after independence, no matter whether they were captured under force of arms within living memory or joined of their own free will centuries ago.
Fun fact: obviously I had to google and wiki most of that apart from Malta, and I learned that Saint Lucia changed hands between the British and the French thirteen times.
Give them a break... they missed a comma after 'century'. That's not a patch on the Grauniad's former misprint standards.
"Over the next four hours, the fire burns through most of the cathedral’s ribbed roof, made up of hundreds of oak beams, some dating back to the 13th century and measuring up to 110 metres long"
Malta did a declaration of rights specifically to become a British Dominion when the Maltese were fed up with the French. Kuwait became a protectorate for fear of the Ottomans. Malawi signed (I think peaceful) treaties with the British ahead of the Portuguese. Also Bahrain (treaty with the local Al-Khalifas). Also Fiji, which the Baku had to try twice to cede. And Tonga sought protectorate status to prevent a coup. And some bits of Tuvalu and Kiribati (not permanently settled, added to protectorate).
Anyway, the point stands, none of them wanted back in after independence, no matter whether they were captured under force of arms within living memory or joined of their own free will centuries ago.
Fun fact: obviously I had to google and wiki most of that apart from Malta, and I learned that Saint Lucia changed hands between the British and the French thirteen times.
Thanks for that
Edit to add: I suspect Alsace-Lorraine changed hands between the Germans and the French a similar number of times.
It already is. But a death cult seems determined to inflict as much damage as possible on it in pursuance of a mad hobbyhorse.
I can only assume you would be talking about Corbyn and Labour as there is no evidence for anything else that fits the description except in your own delusions.
The latest institution that the death cult has attacked is the monarchy: Andrew Lilico wants it abolished because the Queen didn’t refuse royal assent. This follows the death cult’s assaults on the House of Commons, the House of Lords, the BBC, the Bank of England, the judiciary, the electoral commission and indeed pretty well any civic institution you can name. For people who claim to love this country, there isn’t much of it they love.
On this thread your fellow cultists are majoring on Britain’s Pacific coastline. All this because they have an unreasoning emotional hatred of Britain’s neighbourhood. It’s not a political problem but a psychiatric one.
I also note how Brexiteers are accused of insularity, before being criticized for wanting to expand our horizons to Asia and the Americas. I think you need to be a bit more tolerant of those with different views to you.
DUP MLA to an Irish journalist who didn't stand for 'God Save the Queen:'
'Fuck off out of it if you can't observe the niceties.'
That’s blunt. But I wouldn’t dream of sitting though another country’s national anthem
I dare say you might do if you were of the view that said country was occupying yours
Then don’t show up
It’s just discourtesy.
The OP implied she was a journalist and therefore there in a professional capacity. Let her chose whether to stand or not.
A guest should always be considerate to their hosts.
It’s not a dinner party. She was at work, on a job.
Being at work is not a reason to forget good manners.
Give over. This is ridiculous. Did you see the OP? Are you saying that journalists should stand for the national anthems of foreign powers, whether or not they have a dispute with them? Forgive the near-Godwin, but you’d have been a sight as a British reporter at the 1936 Olympics!
Give over. This is ridiculous. Did you see the OP? Are you saying that journalists should stand for the national anthems of foreign powers, whether or not they have a dispute with them? Forgive the near-Godwin, but you’d have been a sight as a British reporter at the 1936 Olympics!
I have actually been in this situation (not the 1936 Olympics, obvs!). The solution is to stand, close your eyes, and pray for that country. Done correctly, it shows respect without obesiance.
I also note how Brexiteers are accused of insularity, before being criticized for wanting to expand our horizons to Asia and the Americas. I think you need to be a bit more tolerant of those with different views to you.
DUP MLA to an Irish journalist who didn't stand for 'God Save the Queen:'
'Fuck off out of it if you can't observe the niceties.'
That’s blunt. But I wouldn’t dream of sitting though another country’s national anthem
I dare say you might do if you were of the view that said country was occupying yours
Then don’t show up
It’s just discourtesy.
The OP implied she was a journalist and therefore there in a professional capacity. Let her chose whether to stand or not.
A guest should always be considerate to their hosts.
It’s not a dinner party. She was at work, on a job.
Being at work is not a reason to forget good manners.
Give over. This is ridiculous. Did you see the OP? Are you saying that journalists should stand for the national anthems of foreign powers, whether or not they have a dispute with them? Forgive the near-Godwin, but you’d have been a sight as a British reporter at the 1936 Olympics!
The only person being ridiculous is you.
How you go from a general comment by me about having good manners at work to you accusing me of being some sort of Nazi sympathiser beats me. Perhaps you could spend a little time reflecting on the difference between Ireland and the UK now and a Nazi dictatorship.
Oh - and BTW I have Irish nationality and come from an Irish Republican family. I have absolutely no love for the DUP who generally thought of and treated people like my family like second class citizens. We have plenty of reasons for being in dispute with the British if we wanted to polish grievances endlessly but we would still try to be be well mannered.
Malta did a declaration of rights specifically to become a British Dominion when the Maltese were fed up with the French. Kuwait became a protectorate for fear of the Ottomans. Malawi signed (I think peaceful) treaties with the British ahead of the Portuguese. Also Bahrain (treaty with the local Al-Khalifas). Also Fiji, which the Baku had to try twice to cede. And Tonga sought protectorate status to prevent a coup. And some bits of Tuvalu and Kiribati (not permanently settled, added to protectorate).
Anyway, the point stands, none of them wanted back in after independence, no matter whether they were captured under force of arms within living memory or joined of their own free will centuries ago.
Fun fact: obviously I had to google and wiki most of that apart from Malta, and I learned that Saint Lucia changed hands between the British and the French thirteen times.
Thanks for that
Edit to add: I suspect Alsace-Lorraine changed hands between the Germans and the French a similar number of times.
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“We have to be careful about historical comparisons, but Albert Einstein during the 1930s was denounced by the German authorities for being wrong and his theories were denounced and one of the reasons of course he was denounced was because he was Jewish. They got 100 German scientists in the pay of the government to say that he was wrong and Einstein said ‘Look, if I was wrong, one would have been enough.’”
They got 100 scientists in the PAY if government.
It is very clear what point he is making.
These are Australia's exports: https://atlas.media.mit.edu/en/visualize/tree_map/hs92/export/aus/all/show/2017/
Perhaps we could get a trade deal on Iron ore for our steelworks.
But here's the thing. Everything in your economy depends on your exports.
You can't make Starbucks Latte unless you have the foreign currency earnings to buy the coffee beans. Or the coffee machine.
You can't produce the power for the lights in the baber's shop without importing natural gas.
Those services, that make up most of GDP, only exist because of exports. Take away the exports, and the coffee and the haircut don't happen.
Your pun however was not an unalloyed success.
It’s just discourtesy.
Went to a hustings last night in a friend's ward. Candidates were asked how they'd stay in touch with voters if elected. The hopeful challengers trotted out the usual ideas - go where people are, have advice sessions in libraries etc.. The sitting Tory councillor replied frostily, "There is a local association that I belong to. From time to time, I meet them and we exchange views."
That's what can happen in a council with 90% of councillors all from one party. PR for local elections now! (Yes, I did say it when I lived in Nottingham too, which is 90% Labour)
Your currency will always depreciate until you get the foreign currency to buy enough needed imports. Unless you do something stupid like join the Euro.
Doesn't alter the fact that the 'most popular railway' is not publicly owned. In fact if as I assume GNER is the railway in question, it had a pretty poor 2018 and now languishes in a lowly eighth place for passenger satisfaction:
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/jan/29/uk-rail-passenger-satisfaction-lowest-level-2007
http://siriusminerals.com/
(Although sceptical that Sirius should be worth £1bn)
😂
I like potash too - sat next to the princeling who was running one of Jordan’s mines a few years ago. He talked me through the demand story which seemed to have decent legs.
No, I really don't think so!
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/apr/16/notre-dame-cathedral-fire-a-visual-guide-and-timeline
Very few are arguing about steps 1 and 3, and sure that's some measure of success, but if the plan for step 2 is just activate Boris to do some churchillian waffling I really think the members will be surprised at what that achieves.
Most countries - like us - have a diverse range of exports. We sell cars. We sell electronics. We sell asset management services. We sell lots of things, and those things tend to be quite uncorrelated.
That's really not true of Australia. Primary commodities dominate Australia's exports in a way completely unmatched by any other large developed country. Let's put this in context for a second: on OEC rankings, Australia's economy is less complex than Kuwait. And I think you'd regard Kuwait as - ooohhh... - fairly commodity dominated.
I’m talking about patronage. London Underground.
By the way, your word lowly is very loaded. Your own graph shows it’s one of the more favoured networks.
Oh, and there’s this. 😌
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/passenger-satisfaction-with-east-coast-railways-falls-from-record-levels-immediately-after-a6841381.html?amp
State primary schools are expected to provide a certain standard of education and achieve certain rates of progression across year groups. Managers ought to be aware of whether their school is exhibiting relative weaknesses either in certain syllabus areas (e.g. their maths results might be okay but their literacy results may be below expectations) or in certain stages (e.g. infant provision might be good, but junior pupils might show less progress than expected). Structured, comparable data can help flag these things up. I don't think that current SATS system is doing an amazing job at this, but it does have some discriminatory power to pick out high/low performing schools and students who are above or below expected attainment levels.
There are some tasks (spellings tests, times tables tests, reading comprehensions) that are undertaken regularly at primary schools up and down the country and could easily be rendered comparable and performed electronically without adding to the workload burden. Whether these are seen as Mini-SATS or whatever, I do think there's some mileage in the idea of more regular, bitesize standardised testing but at far lower stakes. If you're generating data over the course of the year that says e.g. "taking into account your school's circumstances, your results are consistently in the top 30% for maths but bottom 40% for English" then you've got the chance of actionable insights (e.g. "switch out some maths lessons for extra English lessons"). The idea of "flying blind" with no inter-school comparable data at all seems somewhat precarious to me, though I'm obviously biased as a data-loving guy myself. Perhaps data-driven managerialism is overdue a counterblast. Clearly what is not measured is often far more important than what is measured, and the act of measurement is itself distorting.
https://twitter.com/thehistoryguy/status/622306405224198145
From the Conservative Party Constitution...
"this Constitution may only be amended if approved by
92.1 not less than 50% of those members of the Constitutional College eligible to vote and
92.2 not less than 66% of Members of Parliament voting; and
92.3 not less than 66% of Members of the National Conservative Convention voting."
I dare say there are plenty of migrant Crossing videos too.
The BBC would just call it a reconstruction!
Anyway, the point stands, none of them wanted back in after independence, no matter whether they were captured under force of arms within living memory or joined of their own free will centuries ago.
Fun fact: obviously I had to google and wiki most of that apart from Malta, and I learned that Saint Lucia changed hands between the British and the French thirteen times.
"Over the next four hours, the fire burns through most of the cathedral’s ribbed roof, made up of hundreds of oak beams, some dating back to the 13th century and measuring up to 110 metres long"
Edit to add: I suspect Alsace-Lorraine changed hands between the Germans and the French a similar number of times.
Are you saying that journalists should stand for the national anthems of foreign powers, whether or not they have a dispute with them?
Forgive the near-Godwin, but you’d have been a sight as a British reporter at the 1936 Olympics!
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/16/us/politics/bernie-sanders-democratic-party.html
(Spoiler: They haven't a clue).
How you go from a general comment by me about having good manners at work to you accusing me of being some sort of Nazi sympathiser beats me. Perhaps you could spend a little time reflecting on the difference between Ireland and the UK now and a Nazi dictatorship.
Oh - and BTW I have Irish nationality and come from an Irish Republican family. I have absolutely no love for the DUP who generally thought of and treated people like my family like second class citizens. We have plenty of reasons for being in dispute with the British if we wanted to polish grievances endlessly but we would still try to be be well mannered.