May's original deal versus revoke in a run-off referendum is the only way out of this madness. A GE will not solve Brexit unless Labour stand on clear second ref and get a majority and do not renege. Corbyn government would be disaster, permanent CU would be unstable because it is crap and being in is so much better. May's deal is softest Brexit that makes any sort of sense.
Judging from the reaction from the ERG, today is a stepping stone towards that. May first needs to get them to the point where they realise that both her deal and Remain are preferable to the alternative.
Good Lord, is everything a "stepping stone to a second referendum" ?
The Conservative party has expired tonight, never to be revived
Even after the Corn Laws were repealed by Peel in 1846 with most of his party voting against the Tories still won most seats at the next election in 1847 once Peel was replaced as leader by the Protectionist Lord Stanley and even though they were out of power for most of the next 28 years until Disraeli won in 1874 the Tories still came top in seats in 1852 too and formed a government in 1852, 1858-1859 and 1866-1868.
May like Peel is putting the country before the party tonight, I expect once she goes she will be succeeded by hard Brexiteers as Peel was succeeded by protectionists
*Disclaimer: I've never voted Tory in my life, but I could at least respect people who genuinely wanted to do their best for this country, even if I disagreed with them on policy.
We're still around.
We're like the Jedi at the end of Revenge of the Sith though.
So basically your faction now consists of Ewan McGregor and a 900 year old green gnome?
Ken Clarke is obviously Ewan McGregor in Hush Puppies in this scenario, which would make you...?
Luke Skywalker.
You can't be Luke Skywalker. He couldn't plausibly be considered a Jedi before Episode VI. So there.
To be fair to May, thinking about it, her U turns, movement on red lines, indicative votes, reaching out to a Labour Brexit, does mean something good can happen now. The EU can put the Labour Brexit into the PD after just a couple of days negotiation. Both party leaders in the same lobby guarantees aye for something at last, what do we think, all SNP, DUP, TIG, LD voting against, plus substantial rebellions from Tory and Labour too, but the ayes still have it by 150-200? And Labour will insist May cave in to a confirmation vote as well, and public will endorse it 60/40 at worst? So a 150+ commons win and 60/40 public support draws a line under this brexit saga for a long time, and we can move on.
Labours even got leadsome parroting about a jobs brexit already. 😃
So like I said, to be fair to May, she put country before party when it came to it?
SNP, TIG, LD would all favour a 2nd referendum. Most Conservatives, and a fair number of Labour, would oppose it.
I don't think in their hearts May and Corbyn are a million miles apart on Brexit. They might end up agreeing something or other !
Do you think Corbyn's position is sincere? Surely his CU thing has been his excuse for voting against the WA. I can't see anything changing.
#CorbynsCustomsUnion - Even May is begging for it!
Not sure he is serious about PV. But willing to give it for the greater good of JIMIPM
Seems to me the sensible compromise is Labour's CU plan, no referendum. If both sides, or enough of them, agree on the outcome, why is a comfirmatory referendum needed? Tories compromise on the CU, Labour on the PV. Fair is fair.
Nah. Get the country on side 60/40 as well and put this to bed for the next 40 years.
Prepare for the final economic decline of a once great nation, about to be turned into a Marxist republic under PM Jeremy Corbyn, Hard left socialist / Marxist / communist , and we are going to be undemocratically subservient to a rule making unelected EU who will dictate our tariffs and foreign policy for us with no say in the matter. We are so screwed. I will never ever vote Tory again or anyone for that matter
I believe you are a Leaver? In which case you did this. Well done.
No Michael Gove stabbed the one man who could have negotiated a decent brexit in the back. Theresa May is no leaver never has been , she has by stealth and deception subverted the whole brexit process by fully surrendering to her EU masters. The political establishment has betrayed the voters demand to leave the EU. It was never going to be allowed to happen. The civil service would never allow to leave either.
Your lack of insight into whose tactics led us here and who owns the cause of this soft Brexit, when something much better was on offer, is a mirror of what every one of the ERGonauts is saying tonight.
May's original deal versus revoke in a run-off referendum is the only way out of this madness. A GE will not solve Brexit unless Labour stand on clear second ref and get a majority and do not renege. Corbyn government would be disaster, permanent CU would be unstable because it is crap and being in is so much better. May's deal is softest Brexit that makes any sort of sense.
Judging from the reaction from the ERG, today is a stepping stone towards that. May first needs to get them to the point where they realise that both her deal and Remain are preferable to the alternative.
Good Lord, is everything a "stepping stone to a second referendum" ?
Is it quite astute of May to get Corbyn to share some of the blame?
No, because he won't do it. He'll put something forward that is superficially attractive but will be unacceptable to May. If in desperation she accepts it he'll tweak it slightly or think of another excuse and turn it down. We will be fucked, she will be saddled with the blame, she'll attempt to deflect it onto the EU (which might work) and politics for the next decade will consist of two sides screaming at each other and the world whilst fucking the economy up further.
To be fair to May, thinking about it, her U turns, movement on red lines, indicative votes, reaching out to a Labour Brexit, does mean something good can happen now. The EU can put the Labour Brexit into the PD after just a couple of days negotiation. Both party leaders in the same lobby guarantees aye for something at last, what do we think, all SNP, DUP, TIG, LD voting against, plus substantial rebellions from Tory and Labour too, but the ayes still have it by 150-200? And Labour will insist May cave in to a confirmation vote as well, and public will endorse it 60/40 at worst? So a 150+ commons win and 60/40 public support draws a line under this brexit saga for a long time, and we can move on.
Labours even got leadsome parroting about a jobs brexit already. 😃
So like I said, to be fair to May, she put country before party when it came to it?
Jezza has played a blinder since 2015 hasn't he? You have to think the mans a genius.
Within less than four years He's gone from obscure backbancher to having the PM beg him on her hands and knees to get her out of the total shambles she's created.
BJO told all of us that #CorbynsCustomsUnion was the way Theresa would go and Jezza would soon be calling the shots and hats off to BJO.
Early to bed for PB Tories tonight.
Once they have cut up their membership cards.
Never, ever had a Tory membership card, but Sunil means "blue"
Theresa May has only listened to her own counsel since she was made PM, she has ignored her brexit secretaries and her Foreign Secretary and gone over their heads and advice. She is a tin eared remainder and she has screwed the UK.
I don't think in their hearts May and Corbyn are a million miles apart on Brexit. They might end up agreeing something or other !
Do you think Corbyn's position is sincere? Surely his CU thing has been his excuse for voting against the WA. I can't see anything changing.
#CorbynsCustomsUnion - Even May is begging for it!
Not sure he is serious about PV. But willing to give it for the greater good of JIMIPM
Seems to me the sensible compromise is Labour's CU plan, no referendum. If both sides, or enough of them, agree on the outcome, why is a comfirmatory referendum needed? Tories compromise on the CU, Labour on the PV. Fair is fair.
That seems a likely outcome assuming they are both acting in good faith
I'm not really in a position to try to save face, given my regret for my own vote, but could there be 'I supported the WA' bumper stickers to remind the ERGers that other people did try to get a harder Brexit than we may end up with?
Is it quite astute of May to get Corbyn to share some of the blame? A symbiotic relationship between Tories and Labour is needed to keep both sides supporters angry enough with the other party to not vote for anyone else.
At the time of the referendum there was one UKIP voter for every one who voted Labour and FWIW UKIP were polling around 18-19%.. how will those voters feel at a cross party Brexit ft two parties who want to Remain?
This is how I read it. With No Deal now nailed on, and realising that the fallout will f*ck the Tories for a generation, she's gone to Corbyn and said 'you need some of this blood on your hands too'.
If No Deal was nailed on May would have said this evening we are leaving next Friday with No Deal the Commons having rejected my Deal and offered no alternative.
Instead we are now more likely to end up with Deal plus CU after more indicative votes and then further extension to ratify and a transition period whoever ends up PM
But that's the one thing she *couldn't* say. The HoC made sure she couldn't choose announce No Deal. She just needs to be seen to be floundering around trying increasingly desperate attempts to try to *prevent* No Deal even though it drifts ever closer...
The HOC couldn't, certainly until the proposed Cooper Bill was possibly passed tomorrow, having rejected both May's Deal and any alternative in the indicative votes. May could have announced to prepare for No Deal tonight, she did not
TM has gone for broke in bringing in Corbyn for a joint deal at this stage. I think this makes it very clear, as others have said, that whatever she says in fact she intends that there certainly won't be No Deal.
Based on MV 3 (or 2.5) if all the Tories voted for it, it would pass without the DUP (remarkably) but the evidence is now clear that they won't. That was the last chance for a deal even remotely acceptable to hard Brexiteers, they know it and they did not take it.
TM has one last chance of a legacy, that being the person who took us out of the EU. It is unlikely but not quite impossible. She has lost any chance of being a Tory heroine.
I think that unless this deal along with JC works the likelihood is that she will unilaterally Revoke before 12 April rather than leave without a deal. The extent to which this would be a Samson like act remains to be seen, but probably there would be similarities.
Prepare for the final economic decline of a once great nation, about to be turned into a Marxist republic under PM Jeremy Corbyn, Hard left socialist / Marxist / communist , and we are going to be undemocratically subservient to a rule making unelected EU who will dictate our tariffs and foreign policy for us with no say in the matter. We are so screwed. I will never ever vote Tory again or anyone for that matter
I believe you are a Leaver? In which case you did this. Well done.
No Michael Gove stabbed the one man who could have negotiated a decent brexit in the back. Theresa May is no leaver never has been , she has by stealth and deception subverted the whole brexit process by fully surrendering to her EU masters. The political establishment has betrayed the voters demand to leave the EU. It was never going to be allowed to happen. The civil service would never allow to leave either.
Yes. The man who lost the citizens of our capital a net £300,000 by buying unusable water cannon and selling them at a loss would be perfect for negotiating a decent Brexit. If by “decent” you mean ending up in the Single Market, a customs union, the Euro and Schengen while having no say in the running of any of them of course
Big question for me is can we avoid having both a referendum and a GE? If we must have one, and I think we do, I'd rather it be just the one.
I start a new job, there's cricket and rugby world cups, and the Ashes this year.
I don't have the mental bandwidth or energy to cope with another general election or referendum.
I'd rather have neither, but I don't think it's an option - the Tories have a majority of, what, 3, if the DUP stay on board which they probably won't, and even if some people calm down if we Brexit/nonBrexit, they won't be able to pass anythinhg. A GE is coming.
It's one reason Labour could compromise and get Brexit through, believing they'd win the GE. But most of them also want to remain, so no luck on that front, plus they could get a GE anyway.
I expected her to side with the no dealers but she has instead taken a decisive step to put the Country first and save us from a no deal armageddon. TM has sided with my part of the conservative party and laid a gauntlet at the door of the absurd ERG
Of course they have been brainless throughout this, not least serving the 48 letters prematurely securing TM in no 10 till December, then she wins a vonc in her government , and finally offers to resign to get brexit on the books
All the above has given her space to act to achieve a consensus brexit and stand down safe in her legacy
The change in mood from the ERG high fives yesterday to their gloom and despair tonight is a sight to behold and while some may split from the party they will not be missed as the party re-establishes it's one nation philosophy
I expect many will be furious but for the first time in months I am content
Theresa May has only listened to her own counsel since she was made PM, she has ignored her brexit secretaries and her Foreign Secretary and gone over their heads and advice. She is a tin eared remainder and she has screwed the UK.
I expected her to side with the no dealers but she has instead taken a decisive step to put the Country first and save us from a no deal armageddon. TM has sided with my part of the conservative party and laid a gauntlet at the door of the absurd ERG
Of course they have been brainless throughout this, not least serving the 48 letters prematurely securing TM in no 10 till December, then she wins a vonc in her government , and finally offers to resign to get brexit on the books
All the above has given her space to act to achieve a consensus brexit and stand down safe in her legacy
The change in mood from the ERG high fives yesterday to their gloom and despair tonight is a sight to behold and while some may split from the party they will not be missed as the party re-establishes it's one nation philosophy
I expect many will be furious but for the first time in months I am content
Your party has been destroyed by her unwillingness to show backbone with brussels, she has allowed them to bully us into submission since day one
Prepare for the final economic decline of a once great nation, about to be turned into a Marxist republic under PM Jeremy Corbyn, Hard left socialist / Marxist / communist , and we are going to be undemocratically subservient to a rule making unelected EU who will dictate our tariffs and foreign policy for us with no say in the matter. We are so screwed. I will never ever vote Tory again or anyone for that matter
I believe you are a Leaver? In which case you did this. Well done.
No Michael Gove stabbed the one man who could have negotiated a decent brexit in the back. Theresa May is no leaver never has been , she has by stealth and deception subverted the whole brexit process by fully surrendering to her EU masters. The political establishment has betrayed the voters demand to leave the EU. It was never going to be allowed to happen. The civil service would never allow to leave either.
Yes. The man who lost the citizens of our capital a net £300,000 by buying unusable water cannon and selling them at a loss would be perfect for negotiating a decent Brexit. If by “decent” you mean ending up in the Single Market, a customs union, the Euro and Schengen while having no say in the running of any of them of course
Let's hope the UKIP entryism of the Tory party is now at an end. Would love to see Francois et al ultimately f*ck off as well....
These c*nts had 3 chances to get the deal done, they spurned every single one. Now we're fucked.
Private Francois?
you might think that, I couldn't possibly comment.
All of them and they've fucked our party for 10-15 years in the process. We're done as a political force. Not only are we about to get a zombie UK brexit, we're also going to get Corbyn as PM.
I'm genuinely thinking of selling my flat before it gets expropriated by the communist left.
What make you think Corbyn has the slightest interest in your flat.
Unless its never lived in in which case give us the keys now.
It's got two empty bedrooms. Commissar Corbyn will want to put random unemployed people in there.
I think you'll be OK until the second term, that's when land grabs and asset confiscations will take place!
I expected her to side with the no dealers but she has instead taken a decisive step to put the Country first and save us from a no deal armageddon. TM has sided with my part of the conservative party and laid a gauntlet at the door of the absurd ERG
Of course they have been brainless throughout this, not least serving the 48 letters prematurely securing TM in no 10 till December, then she wins a vonc in her government , and finally offers to resign to get brexit on the books
All the above has given her space to act to achieve a consensus brexit and stand down safe in her legacy
The change in mood from the ERG high fives yesterday to their gloom and despair tonight is a sight to behold and while some may split from the party they will not be missed as the party re-establishes it's one nation philosophy
I expect many will be furious but for the first time in months I am content
Theresa May has only listened to her own counsel since she was made PM, she has ignored her brexit secretaries and her Foreign Secretary and gone over their heads and advice. She is a tin eared remainder and she has screwed the UK.
Prepare for the final economic decline of a once great nation, about to be turned into a Marxist republic under PM Jeremy Corbyn, Hard left socialist / Marxist / communist , and we are going to be undemocratically subservient to a rule making unelected EU who will dictate our tariffs and foreign policy for us with no say in the matter. We are so screwed. I will never ever vote Tory again or anyone for that matter
I believe you are a Leaver? In which case you did this. Well done.
No Michael Gove stabbed the one man who could have negotiated a decent brexit in the back. Theresa May is no leaver never has been , she has by stealth and deception subverted the whole brexit process by fully surrendering to her EU masters. The political establishment has betrayed the voters demand to leave the EU. It was never going to be allowed to happen. The civil service would never allow to leave either.
I have revised my opinion. You have to be a spoof.
I expected her to side with the no dealers but she has instead taken a decisive step to put the Country first and save us from a no deal armageddon. TM has sided with my part of the conservative party and laid a gauntlet at the door of the absurd ERG
Of course they have been brainless throughout this, not least serving the 48 letters prematurely securing TM in no 10 till December, then she wins a vonc in her government , and finally offers to resign to get brexit on the books
All the above has given her space to act to achieve a consensus brexit and stand down safe in her legacy
The change in mood from the ERG high fives yesterday to their gloom and despair tonight is a sight to behold and while some may split from the party they will not be missed as the party re-establishes it's one nation philosophy
I expect many will be furious but for the first time in months I am content
Your party has been destroyed by her unwillingness to show backbone with brussels, she has allowed them to bully us into submission since day one
TM has today acted in the Country's interest and I support her actions
I expected her to side with the no dealers but she has instead taken a decisive step to put the Country first and save us from a no deal armageddon. TM has sided with my part of the conservative party and laid a gauntlet at the door of the absurd ERG
Of course they have been brainless throughout this, not least serving the 48 letters prematurely securing TM in no 10 till December, then she wins a vonc in her government , and finally offers to resign to get brexit on the books
All the above has given her space to act to achieve a consensus brexit and stand down safe in her legacy
The change in mood from the ERG high fives yesterday to their gloom and despair tonight is a sight to behold and while some may split from the party they will not be missed as the party re-establishes it's one nation philosophy
I expect many will be furious but for the first time in months I am content
Your party has been destroyed by her unwillingness to show backbone with brussels, she has allowed them to bully us into submission since day one
Fully agree with Big G. First positive Brexit day for as long as I can remember. Was very depressed last night. Hope it continues.
These c*nts had 3 chances to get the deal done, they spurned every single one. Now we're fucked.
Private Francois?
you might think that, I couldn't possibly comment.
All of them and they've fucked our party for 10-15 years in the process. We're done as a political force. Not only are we about to get a zombie UK brexit, we're also going to get Corbyn as PM.
I'm genuinely thinking of selling my flat before it gets expropriated by the communist left.
What make you think Corbyn has the slightest interest in your flat.
Unless its never lived in in which case give us the keys now.
It's got two empty bedrooms. Commissar Corbyn will want to put random unemployed people in there.
I think you'll be OK until the second term, that's when land grabs and asset confiscations will take place!
Don’t forget the checka you can’t immbed a Marxist revolution without slaughtering 2/3 of the bourgeoisie
I expected her to side with the no dealers but she has instead taken a decisive step to put the Country first and save us from a no deal armageddon. TM has sided with my part of the conservative party and laid a gauntlet at the door of the absurd ERG
Of course they have been brainless throughout this, not least serving the 48 letters prematurely securing TM in no 10 till December, then she wins a vonc in her government , and finally offers to resign to get brexit on the books
All the above has given her space to act to achieve a consensus brexit and stand down safe in her legacy
The change in mood from the ERG high fives yesterday to their gloom and despair tonight is a sight to behold and while some may split from the party they will not be missed as the party re-establishes it's one nation philosophy
I expect many will be furious but for the first time in months I am content
We are on the same page Big G. 🙂
I would have paid good money to be at the ERG meets tonight.
Prepare for the final economic decline of a once great nation, about to be turned into a Marxist republic under PM Jeremy Corbyn, Hard left socialist / Marxist / communist , and we are going to be undemocratically subservient to a rule making unelected EU who will dictate our tariffs and foreign policy for us with no say in the matter. We are so screwed. I will never ever vote Tory again or anyone for that matter
I believe you are a Leaver? In which case you did this. Well done.
No Michael Gove stabbed the one man who could have negotiated a decent brexit in the back. Theresa May is no leaver never has been , she has by stealth and deception subverted the whole brexit process by fully surrendering to her EU masters. The political establishment has betrayed the voters demand to leave the EU. It was never going to be allowed to happen. The civil service would never allow to leave either.
What during Boris Johnson's tenure as Foreign Secretary makes you think he could have negotiated a decent Brexit?
[Rant deleted. But trust me, it was proper Frankie Boyle]
These c*nts had 3 chances to get the deal done, they spurned every single one. Now we're fucked.
Private Francois?
you might think that, I couldn't possibly comment.
All of them and they've fucked our party for 10-15 years in the process. We're done as a political force. Not only are we about to get a zombie UK brexit, we're also going to get Corbyn as PM.
I'm genuinely thinking of selling my flat before it gets expropriated by the communist left.
What make you think Corbyn has the slightest interest in your flat.
Unless its never lived in in which case give us the keys now.
It's got two empty bedrooms. Commissar Corbyn will want to put random unemployed people in there.
I think you'll be OK until the second term, that's when land grabs and asset confiscations will take place!
I'm still waiting for my Bassetlaw bonus for Mann following the Tory whip through each MV here !
Prepare for the final economic decline of a once great nation, about to be turned into a Marxist republic under PM Jeremy Corbyn, Hard left socialist / Marxist / communist , and we are going to be undemocratically subservient to a rule making unelected EU who will dictate our tariffs and foreign policy for us with no say in the matter. We are so screwed. I will never ever vote Tory again or anyone for that matter
I believe you are a Leaver? In which case you did this. Well done.
No Michael Gove stabbed the one man who could have negotiated a decent brexit in the back. Theresa May is no leaver never has been , she has by stealth and deception subverted the whole brexit process by fully surrendering to her EU masters. The political establishment has betrayed the voters demand to leave the EU. It was never going to be allowed to happen. The civil service would never allow to leave either.
Yes. The man who lost the citizens of our capital a net £300,000 by buying unusable water cannon and selling them at a loss would be perfect for negotiating a decent Brexit. If by “decent” you mean ending up in the Single Market, a customs union, the Euro and Schengen while having no say in the running of any of them of course
Let's hope the UKIP entryism of the Tory party is now at an end. Would love to see Francois et al ultimately f*ck off as well....
These c*nts had 3 chances to get the deal done, they spurned every single one. Now we're fucked.
Private Francois?
you might think that, I couldn't possibly comment.
All of them and they've fucked our party for 10-15 years in the process. We're done as a political force. Not only are we about to get a zombie UK brexit, we're also going to get Corbyn as PM.
I'm genuinely thinking of selling my flat before it gets expropriated by the communist left.
What make you think Corbyn has the slightest interest in your flat.
Unless its never lived in in which case give us the keys now.
It's got two empty bedrooms. Commissar Corbyn will want to put random unemployed people in there.
It'll be like in Doctor Zhivago, where the rich family had most of their house taken over after the Revolution and ended up all living in one room.
We only have a one bedroom flat, so I'm reasonably confident we won't have to put up more than one smallish family of asylum seekers in our lounge.
That's assuming the Red Devils will let you stay yourselves. They may just pack you off to the Bognor Gulag or the Droitwich Salt Mines.
May is in for a rough ride tomorrow at pmq's...there will be many on the opposition benches intent on ridiculing her but that will be nothing compared to what will come from the benches behind.
Looking back it should have been obvious that Brexit was unlikely to be delivered whilst there were around 400 MP's opposed to it and looking for a way to overturn the referendum result.
Only a genuine Brexiteer could have pulled it off I think and even then it would have been extremely doubtful.
Anyway, Brexit was always a side show to the real issue which is how to stop Corbyn from destroying the country and financially raping anyone with more than a few quid saved.
I expected her to side with the no dealers but she has instead taken a decisive step to put the Country first and save us from a no deal armageddon. TM has sided with my part of the conservative party and laid a gauntlet at the door of the absurd ERG
Of course they have been brainless throughout this, not least serving the 48 letters prematurely securing TM in no 10 till December, then she wins a vonc in her government , and finally offers to resign to get brexit on the books
All the above has given her space to act to achieve a consensus brexit and stand down safe in her legacy
The change in mood from the ERG high fives yesterday to their gloom and despair tonight is a sight to behold and while some may split from the party they will not be missed as the party re-establishes it's one nation philosophy
I expect many will be furious but for the first time in months I am content
Yes, Mr G. My reading - which could well turn out to be hopelessly naive - is at the 11th hour Mrs May put her country first. I have to admit I actually felt quite emotional listening to her statement. My worry is that I’m so desperate for good news I’m no longer thinking straight!
Prepare for the final economic decline of a once great nation, about to be turned into a Marxist republic under PM Jeremy Corbyn, Hard left socialist / Marxist / communist , and we are going to be undemocratically subservient to a rule making unelected EU who will dictate our tariffs and foreign policy for us with no say in the matter. We are so screwed. I will never ever vote Tory again or anyone for that matter
I believe you are a Leaver? In which case you did this. Well done.
No Michael Gove stabbed the one man who could have negotiated a decent brexit in the back. Theresa May is no leaver never has been , she has by stealth and deception subverted the whole brexit process by fully surrendering to her EU masters. The political establishment has betrayed the voters demand to leave the EU. It was never going to be allowed to happen. The civil service would never allow to leave either.
Yes. The man who lost the citizens of our capital a net £300,000 by buying unusable water cannon and selling them at a loss would be perfect for negotiating a decent Brexit. If by “decent” you mean ending up in the Single Market, a customs union, the Euro and Schengen while having no say in the running of any of them of course
Let's hope the UKIP entryism of the Tory party is now at an end. Would love to see Francois et al ultimately f*ck off as well....
I expected her to side with the no dealers but she has instead taken a decisive step to put the Country first and save us from a no deal armageddon. TM has sided with my part of the conservative party and laid a gauntlet at the door of the absurd ERG
Of course they have been brainless throughout this, not least serving the 48 letters prematurely securing TM in no 10 till December, then she wins a vonc in her government , and finally offers to resign to get brexit on the books
All the above has given her space to act to achieve a consensus brexit and stand down safe in her legacy
The change in mood from the ERG high fives yesterday to their gloom and despair tonight is a sight to behold and while some may split from the party they will not be missed as the party re-establishes it's one nation philosophy
I expect many will be furious but for the first time in months I am content
Sort of confirms the view expressed by quite a few on here that the DUP have gone very luke warm about Brexit. So long as the integrity of the UK is not impact they don't seem to be that bothered.
Prepare for the final economic decline of a once great nation, about to be turned into a Marxist republic under PM Jeremy Corbyn, Hard left socialist / Marxist / communist , and we are going to be undemocratically subservient to a rule making unelected EU who will dictate our tariffs and foreign policy for us with no say in the matter. We are so screwed. I will never ever vote Tory again or anyone for that matter
I believe you are a Leaver? In which case you did this. Well done.
No Michael Gove stabbed the one man who could have negotiated a decent brexit in the back. Theresa May is no leaver never has been , she has by stealth and deception subverted the whole brexit process by fully surrendering to her EU masters. The political establishment has betrayed the voters demand to leave the EU. It was never going to be allowed to happen. The civil service would never allow to leave either.
Yes. The man who lost the citizens of our capital a net £300,000 by buying unusable water cannon and selling them at a loss would be perfect for negotiating a decent Brexit. If by “decent” you mean ending up in the Single Market, a customs union, the Euro and Schengen while having no say in the running of any of them of course
Let's hope the UKIP entryism of the Tory party is now at an end. Would love to see Francois et al ultimately f*ck off as well....
Tonight we may have got our party back
And you can enjoy it in glorious opposition to a Marxist government for the next 20 years...
*Disclaimer: I've never voted Tory in my life, but I could at least respect people who genuinely wanted to do their best for this country, even if I disagreed with them on policy.
We're still around.
We're like the Jedi at the end of Revenge of the Sith though.
So basically your faction now consists of Ewan McGregor and a 900 year old green gnome?
Ken Clarke is obviously Ewan McGregor in Hush Puppies in this scenario, which would make you...?
Luke Skywalker.
You can't be Luke Skywalker. He couldn't plausibly be considered a Jedi before Episode VI. So there.
Could be Anakin, of course. So, @TheScreamingEagles : how do you feel about sand? Would you describe it as:
1) small rocks 2) what a beach is made of, or 3) you don't like it because it's coarse and rough and irritating and it gets everywhere
Collins is right. May has been castigated time and time again for giving in to them, or not standing up to them because what they wanted did not have the votes, and she has tried to keep everyone on side at the expense of the public.
She believes in Brexit more than them, she's willing to work to get it, however incompetently. They want it delivered to them without working for it.
May is in for a rough ride tomorrow at pmq's...there will be many on the opposition benches intent on ridiculing her but that will be nothing compared to what will come from the benches behind.
Having told them to fuck off on National TV earlier, she can do it again in the chamber.
Prepare for the final economic decline of a once great nation, about to be turned into a Marxist republic under PM Jeremy Corbyn, Hard left socialist / Marxist / communist , and we are going to be undemocratically subservient to a rule making unelected EU who will dictate our tariffs and foreign policy for us with no say in the matter. We are so screwed. I will never ever vote Tory again or anyone for that matter
I believe you are a Leaver? In which case you did this. Well done.
No Michael Gove stabbed the one man who could have negotiated a decent brexit in the back. Theresa May is no leaver never has been , she has by stealth and deception subverted the whole brexit process by fully surrendering to her EU masters. The political establishment has betrayed the voters demand to leave the EU. It was never going to be allowed to happen. The civil service would never allow to leave either.
Yes. The man who lost the citizens of our capital a net £300,000 by buying unusable water cannon and selling them at a loss would be perfect for negotiating a decent Brexit. If by “decent” you mean ending up in the Single Market, a customs union, the Euro and Schengen while having no say in the running of any of them of course
Let's hope the UKIP entryism of the Tory party is now at an end. Would love to see Francois et al ultimately f*ck off as well....
Tonight we may have got our party back
And all it took was a tiny bit of compromise.
Well great wopping U turns actually. And using the cult of corbyn as cavalry to save her. But cunningly laying groundwork over many years, nothing has changed is the new way of saying U turn.
These c*nts had 3 chances to get the deal done, they spurned every single one. Now we're fucked.
Private Francois?
you might think that, I couldn't possibly comment.
All of them and they've fucked our party for 10-15 years in the process. We're done as a political force. Not only are we about to get a zombie UK brexit, we're also going to get Corbyn as PM.
I'm genuinely thinking of selling my flat before it gets expropriated by the communist left.
What make you think Corbyn has the slightest interest in your flat.
Unless its never lived in in which case give us the keys now.
It's got two empty bedrooms. Commissar Corbyn will want to put random unemployed people in there.
It'll be like in Doctor Zhivago, where the rich family had most of their house taken over after the Revolution and ended up all living in one room.
We only have a one bedroom flat, so I'm reasonably confident we won't have to put up more than one smallish family of asylum seekers in our lounge.
That's assuming the Red Devils will let you stay yourselves. They may just pack you off to the Bognor Gulag or the Droitwich Salt Mines.
Good point. I may have to consider joining Momentum?
Except I'd probably just get shot in a purge instead.
Prepare for the final economic decline of a once great nation, about to be turned into a Marxist republic under PM Jeremy Corbyn, Hard left socialist / Marxist / communist , and we are going to be undemocratically subservient to a rule making unelected EU who will dictate our tariffs and foreign policy for us with no say in the matter. We are so screwed. I will never ever vote Tory again or anyone for that matter
I believe you are a Leaver? In which case you did this. Well done.
No Michael Gove stabbed the one man who could have negotiated a decent brexit in the back. Theresa May is no leaver never has been , she has by stealth and deception subverted the whole brexit process by fully surrendering to her EU masters. The political establishment has betrayed the voters demand to leave the EU. It was never going to be allowed to happen. The civil service would never allow to leave either.
Yes. The man who lost the citizens of our capital a net £300,000 by buying unusable water cannon and selling them at a loss would be perfect for negotiating a decent Brexit. If by “decent” you mean ending up in the Single Market, a customs union, the Euro and Schengen while having no say in the running of any of them of course
Let's hope the UKIP entryism of the Tory party is now at an end. Would love to see Francois et al ultimately f*ck off as well....
Tonight we may have got our party back
And you can enjoy it in glorious opposition to a Marxist government for the next 20 years...
Actually I expect the party to recover somewhat as this will be popular with voters and I simply do not care about the UKIP dominated membership
I want my party back and rid ourselves of the hard right
Prepare for the final economic decline of a once great nation, about to be turned into a Marxist republic under PM Jeremy Corbyn, Hard left socialist / Marxist / communist , and we are going to be undemocratically subservient to a rule making unelected EU who will dictate our tariffs and foreign policy for us with no say in the matter. We are so screwed. I will never ever vote Tory again or anyone for that matter
I believe you are a Leaver? In which case you did this. Well done.
No Michael Gove stabbed the one man who could have negotiated a decent brexit in the back. Theresa May is no leaver never has been , she has by stealth and deception subverted the whole brexit process by fully surrendering to her EU masters. The political establishment has betrayed the voters demand to leave the EU. It was never going to be allowed to happen. The civil service would never allow to leave either.
Yes. The man who lost the citizens of our capital a net £300,000 by buying unusable water cannon and selling them at a loss would be perfect for negotiating a decent Brexit. If by “decent” you mean ending up in the Single Market, a customs union, the Euro and Schengen while having no say in the running of any of them of course
Let's hope the UKIP entryism of the Tory party is now at an end. Would love to see Francois et al ultimately f*ck off as well....
Tonight we may have got our party back
And you can enjoy it in glorious opposition to a Marxist government for the next 20 years...
Actually I expect the party to recover somewhat as this will be popular with voters
Is the moment Jezza becomes seen as PM-in-waiting? Seems unlikely, on past form, but played correctly (e.g. walk into No 10 with live TV, looking serious etc etc), then who knows.
Prepare for the final economic decline of a once great nation, about to be turned into a Marxist republic under PM Jeremy Corbyn, Hard left socialist / Marxist / communist , and we are going to be undemocratically subservient to a rule making unelected EU who will dictate our tariffs and foreign policy for us with no say in the matter. We are so screwed. I will never ever vote Tory again or anyone for that matter
I believe you are a Leaver? In which case you did this. Well done.
No Michael Gove stabbed the one man who could have negotiated a decent brexit in the back. Theresa May is no leaver never has been , she has by stealth and deception subverted the whole brexit process by fully surrendering to her EU masters. The political establishment has betrayed the voters demand to leave the EU. It was never going to be allowed to happen. The civil service would never allow to leave either.
Yes. The man who lost the citizens of our capital a net £300,000 by buying unusable water cannon and selling them at a loss would be perfect for negotiating a decent Brexit. If by “decent” you mean ending up in the Single Market, a customs union, the Euro and Schengen while having no say in the running of any of them of course
Let's hope the UKIP entryism of the Tory party is now at an end. Would love to see Francois et al ultimately f*ck off as well....
Tonight we may have got our party back
And you can enjoy it in glorious opposition to a Marxist government for the next 20 years...
Actually I expect the party to recover somewhat as this will be popular with voters and I simply do not care about the UKIP dominated membership
I want my party back and rid ourselves of the hard right
I agree. I might even vote for the Conservatives again now
Prepare for the final economic decline of a once great nation, about to be turned into a Marxist republic under PM Jeremy Corbyn, Hard left socialist / Marxist / communist , and we are going to be undemocratically subservient to a rule making unelected EU who will dictate our tariffs and foreign policy for us with no say in the matter. We are so screwed. I will never ever vote Tory again or anyone for that matter
I believe you are a Leaver? In which case you did this. Well done.
No Michael Gove stabbed the one man who could have negotiated a decent brexit in the back. Theresa May is no leaver never has been , she has by stealth and deception subverted the whole brexit process by fully surrendering to her EU masters. The political establishment has betrayed the voters demand to leave the EU. It was never going to be allowed to happen. The civil service would never allow to leave either.
Yes. The man who lost the citizens of our capital a net £300,000 by buying unusable water cannon and selling them at a loss would be perfect for negotiating a decent Brexit. If by “decent” you mean ending up in the Single Market, a customs union, the Euro and Schengen while having no say in the running of any of them of course
Let's hope the UKIP entryism of the Tory party is now at an end. Would love to see Francois et al ultimately f*ck off as well....
Tonight we may have got our party back
And you can enjoy it in glorious opposition to a Marxist government for the next 20 years...
Actually I expect the party to recover somewhat as this will be popular with voters and I simply do not care about the UKIP dominated membership
I want my party back and rid ourselves of the hard right
You're deluding yourself if you think this will wash.
What's with that keyboard layout. Looks a bit strange. Is it Russian?
It's one of those keyboards that are split down the middle, so you can angle the two parts differently for each hand and reduce the risk of RSI. You're looking at the right-hand half.
Prepare for the final economic decline of a once great nation, about to be turned into a Marxist republic under PM Jeremy Corbyn, Hard left socialist / Marxist / communist , and we are going to be undemocratically subservient to a rule making unelected EU who will dictate our tariffs and foreign policy for us with no say in the matter. We are so screwed. I will never ever vote Tory again or anyone for that matter
I believe you are a Leaver? In which case you did this. Well done.
No Michael Gove stabbed the one man who could have negotiated a decent brexit in the back. Theresa May is no leaver never has been , she has by stealth and deception subverted the whole brexit process by fully surrendering to her EU masters. The political establishment has betrayed the voters demand to leave the EU. It was never going to be allowed to happen. The civil service would never allow to leave either.
Yes. The man who lost the citizens of our capital a net £300,000 by buying unusable water cannon and selling them at a loss would be perfect for negotiating a decent Brexit. If by “decent” you mean ending up in the Single Market, a customs union, the Euro and Schengen while having no say in the running of any of them of course
Or indeed "spaffed", as he would put it, £30 million on Joanna Lumley's vanity project.
Boris is the opposite of May. Whether or not May was really a remainer during the referendum campaign, I don't think anyone can doubt she now feels it's her duty to deliver Brexit come hell or high water. Boris's priorities have always been Boris, Boris and Boris, and Brexit is only expedient for helping him ascend the greasy poll.
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May like Peel is putting the country before the party tonight, I expect once she goes she will be succeeded by hard Brexiteers as Peel was succeeded by protectionists
I don't have the mental bandwidth or energy to cope with another general election or referendum.
*chef's kiss emoji*
Based on MV 3 (or 2.5) if all the Tories voted for it, it would pass without the DUP (remarkably) but the evidence is now clear that they won't. That was the last chance for a deal even remotely acceptable to hard Brexiteers, they know it and they did not take it.
TM has one last chance of a legacy, that being the person who took us out of the EU. It is unlikely but not quite impossible. She has lost any chance of being a Tory heroine.
I think that unless this deal along with JC works the likelihood is that she will unilaterally Revoke before 12 April rather than leave without a deal. The extent to which this would be a Samson like act remains to be seen, but probably there would be similarities.
It's one reason Labour could compromise and get Brexit through, believing they'd win the GE. But most of them also want to remain, so no luck on that front, plus they could get a GE anyway.
May doesn’t care she is going anyway.
I expected her to side with the no dealers but she has instead taken a decisive step to put the Country first and save us from a no deal armageddon. TM has sided with my part of the conservative party and laid a gauntlet at the door of the absurd ERG
Of course they have been brainless throughout this, not least serving the 48 letters prematurely securing TM in no 10 till December, then she wins a vonc in her government , and finally offers to resign to get brexit on the books
All the above has given her space to act to achieve a consensus brexit and stand down safe in her legacy
The change in mood from the ERG high fives yesterday to their gloom and despair tonight is a sight to behold and while some may split from the party they will not be missed as the party re-establishes it's one nation philosophy
I expect many will be furious but for the first time in months I am content
Ole Gunnar Solskjær is showing he's the overrated donkey that got Cardiff relegated so United might be coming back for Poch very soon.
https://twitter.com/paulrey99/status/1113168114605277186
What a set of self-important t*ats.
I wonder how many junior ministers will resign? They're often very unknown to the public so it is hard to guess.
Looking back it should have been obvious that Brexit was unlikely to be delivered whilst there were around 400 MP's opposed to it and looking for a way to overturn the referendum result.
Only a genuine Brexiteer could have pulled it off I think and even then it would have been extremely doubtful.
Anyway, Brexit was always a side show to the real issue which is how to stop Corbyn from destroying the country and financially raping anyone with more than a few quid saved.
https://twitter.com/DPJHodges/status/1113188625854947333
And strangely enough, raising a glass to Gove as well. Soft brexits useful idiot
Sort of confirms the view expressed by quite a few on here that the DUP have gone very luke warm about Brexit. So long as the integrity of the UK is not impact they don't seem to be that bothered.
England will regain the Ashes (1.8). Best of luck in the new job.
1) small rocks
2) what a beach is made of, or
3) you don't like it because it's coarse and rough and irritating and it gets everywhere
She believes in Brexit more than them, she's willing to work to get it, however incompetently. They want it delivered to them without working for it.
Could be fun
e.g. https://thewirecutter.com/reviews/comfortable-ergo-keyboard/
Except I'd probably just get shot in a purge instead.
Bugger.
I want my party back and rid ourselves of the hard right
Not only PM-in-waiting he's PM in all but name (Theresa's PM in name only)
He's played an absolute blinder.
Boris is the opposite of May. Whether or not May was really a remainer during the referendum campaign, I don't think anyone can doubt she now feels it's her duty to deliver Brexit come hell or high water. Boris's priorities have always been Boris, Boris and Boris, and Brexit is only expedient for helping him ascend the greasy poll.