How pleased will the revokers be if their petition reaches 100 million signatures?
They will be delighted at the solidarity from North Korea and Western Sahara......
The petitions are a little bit cleverer than that - you can see the results broken down into constituencies on a map of the UK.
It also lists, in the .json file linked on the petition page, all of the locations outside of the UK where it has been 'signed' and the numbers of signatories in each country. France had a greater total (c9000) than any UK constituency the last time I looked.
That's logical given that more British people live in France than in any single constituency and they have a direct stake in the outcome of Brexit.
The total number of UK citizens living in France is about 150k. What's the population of Islington South and Finsbury, where the signatory count is 4,500?
I think the British residents in France might just be a little more concerned about Brexit don't you?
How many of them have lived outside the UK for 15 years plus? They don't get a vote
True. But:
a) They would sign it anyway and I was only trying to demonstrate the numbers were not unreasonable, not that they were comparable to valid voters. b) Although neither of us have a clue, I suspect the British living in France would be multiple times more concerned than the Brits in the UK about Brexit.
Collective insanity in evidence. The stupidity of the crowd
I think it’s a case of some just being fed up and wanting it to end . The issue with the poll is just two choices . The Ipsos Mori shows more support a delay. Much depends on how you word these things .
That's true. You can produce majorities for and against a second referendum, depending on the wording of the question.
I have a big problem with a second EU vote and have an even bigger problem with no deal .
I’m a staunch Remainer but think too much has happened now for the UK to stay . I want a deal that keeps close co-operation with the EU . But if forced I’d have to go for a second vote . This is not where I want to be . People are being forced into more polarized positions because of the impasse .
I do find this map very interesting; some constituencies have upto 5% signing the petition, which isn't too bad.
University towns. Snowflakes, Woke Remoaners. Actually "The correlation between the percentage of voters who voted Remain and the proportion of the electorate who have signed the petition is extremely high (r=0.93). There’s little to cut against the idea that this petition comes from people who lost and are unhappy about the result." https://medium.com/@chrishanretty/are-we-bremorseful-yet-e0506c826ad2
Keep referencing an old survey about a different petition if it makes you feel happier...
Apologies - I thought it was relevant. I accept that the current petition is gaining signatures fast. I wonder whether the geographic split will be similar?
It is so far. It would be a very fastidious bot that was programmed to match that pattern.
The one person on my facebook feed to announce that they have signed the referendum so far is exactly the person who I would have predicted would do so.
In the case of a negative vote in the British parliament, we will be going to a no-deal. We all know that. It is absolutely essential to be clear in these days and these moments, because it is a matter of the good functioning of the EU. We cannot have what I would call an excessive extension which would harm our capacity to decision and to act.
Big news in the @Pulpstar household, my other half has signed the revocation petition.
Is she a bot? or are you feeling peer presurre?
I've backed the petition to pass May's deal, we're up to 52 signatures but the petitiuon has now crashed !
I was 58, and it crashed at 59
I was 47
So at least 3 from the PB constituency, which is 50% higher than the most from any of the constituencies on the map last time I was able to look (2 from Folkestone and Hythe)!
The one person on my facebook feed to announce that they have signed the referendum so far is exactly the person who I would have predicted would do so.
I've got incredibly savvy people on mine utterly bemused and confused by it all.
If you’re a Labour MP in a leave area worried about no deal but you don’t want to vote for the deal then doesn’t the current impasse give you the chance to support the Kyle/Wilson amendment .
You stop no deal and ask for the public to ratify the deal .
You'd hope so. But I must say I am not quite buying that they really are worried - they'd have been more amenable to the deal before now if that were so. I think they are worried at not being seen to worry about no deal, so it cannot be counted on that they will take appropriate measures, whatever those may be, to stop it. They too are just interested in the blame game.
Petitions still "down for maintenance". If I were a leaver and I had been denied access to a "Stop all immigrants" petition I would be claiming it was a govt plot. However, I know how shit government IT generally is, so it is more likely cock-up than conspiracy! It'll probably be fixed on 30th March.
The IT for the petitions website is pretty good. Scaling for one-off peaks in demand like this, without wasting a heap of money on wasted capacity, is hard.
It's achievable but the costs of doing it easily (you would need a cloud provider) is far higher than hosting it in an unscaleable way (using your own servers)...
Nonsense, auto-scaling easily achievable on a modern Cloud system such as AWS with about 5 minutes of configuration, and he instances cost peanuts (less than $1 an hour in many cases)
Anyone else thinking thank God we are not in a situation where the default position is that we Nuke someone on 29th March and MPs are involved in trying to stop it?
There is a deal on the table. We could pass it tomorrow and all of this would go away. It is not perfect but it is better than no deal.
I am becoming absolutely livid at MPs not just holding their nose and voting for it. Although May has been a gigantic prat and has handled this atrociously, MPs will share a tremendous amount of the responsibility if they precipitate a no deal Brexit.
Collective insanity in evidence. The stupidity of the crowd
I think it’s a case of some just being fed up and wanting it to end . The issue with the poll is just two choices . The Ipsos Mori shows more support a delay. Much depends on how you word these things .
That's true. You can produce majorities for and against a second referendum, depending on the wording of the question.
I have a big problem with a second EU vote and have an even bigger problem with no deal .
I’m a staunch Remainer but think too much has happened now for the UK to stay . I want a deal that keeps close co-operation with the EU . But if forced I’d have to go for a second vote . This is not where I want to be . People are being forced into more polarized positions because of the impasse .
Anyone else thinking thank God we are not in a situation where the default position is that we Nuke someone on 29th March and MPs are involved in trying to stop it?
There is a deal on the table. We could pass it tomorrow and all of this would go away. It is not perfect but it is better than no deal.
I am becoming absolutely livid at MPs not just holding their nose and voting for it. Although May has been a gigantic prat and has handled this atrociously, MPs will share a tremendous amount of the responsibility if they precipitate a no deal Brexit.
Which was just about what Theresa May said yesterday. Apart from the gigantic prat bit.
Collective insanity in evidence. The stupidity of the crowd
I think it’s a case of some just being fed up and wanting it to end . The issue with the poll is just two choices . The Ipsos Mori shows more support a delay. Much depends on how you word these things.
Which is, of course, why we have a representative democracy. Those few whom we elect to represent us have a much better understanding (on the whole - exceptions apply) of the implications of a no deal. I'm sure it's better than mine, for that matter.
Wanting something to just "go away" is not the right way to approach a decision that will affect us all for a generation.
Collective insanity in evidence. The stupidity of the crowd
I think it’s a case of some just being fed up and wanting it to end . The issue with the poll is just two choices . The Ipsos Mori shows more support a delay. Much depends on how you word these things .
That's true. You can produce majorities for and against a second referendum, depending on the wording of the question.
I have a big problem with a second EU vote and have an even bigger problem with no deal .
I’m a staunch Remainer but think too much has happened now for the UK to stay . I want a deal that keeps close co-operation with the EU . But if forced I’d have to go for a second vote . This is not where I want to be . People are being forced into more polarized positions because of the impasse .
Agreed.
Thanks . I really fear this is going to end very badly . A no deal will guarantee there’s no chance to bring the country together . Another vote the same. A deal which both sides aren’t overjoyed with is the best solution . We can all moan together !
Collective insanity in evidence. The stupidity of the crowd
I think it’s a case of some just being fed up and wanting it to end . The issue with the poll is just two choices . The Ipsos Mori shows more support a delay. Much depends on how you word these things .
That's true. You can produce majorities for and against a second referendum, depending on the wording of the question.
I have a big problem with a second EU vote and have an even bigger problem with no deal .
I’m a staunch Remainer but think too much has happened now for the UK to stay . I want a deal that keeps close co-operation with the EU . But if forced I’d have to go for a second vote . This is not where I want to be . People are being forced into more polarized positions because of the impasse .
Well quite. That is why I think the parliamentary centre-left should support the Deal as the only way to avoid a No Deal outcome and make use of the subsequently divided parliamentary Tory party to force a VONC and general election so that a new gov't in further negotiations can achieve a soft Brexit as possible after 2021.
Other possible game changers - 500,000 remainers trash London on the weekend. Senior politician is caught saying something inflammatory about Brexit. VONC causes timeout. May refuses to act on parliaments vote and holds on till 11pm 29th. EU intervene and rule out any extension
Both Paris and London could be burning simultaneously this saturday
Anyone planning on going to demo on Saturday, you are conscious Trotsky yellow vests anarchists can hijack it and the deplorable violence will play perfectly into May’s grid for the week. hijack it means the bigger the crowd the higher their profile when they hoist themselves on your shoulders. It’s the classic, I have got to do something, damn the thing I done undermined my argument by adding support to rioting
Collective insanity in evidence. The stupidity of the crowd
I think it’s a case of some just being fed up and wanting it to end . The issue with the poll is just two choices . The Ipsos Mori shows more support a delay. Much depends on how you word these things .
That's true. You can produce majorities for and against a second referendum, depending on the wording of the question.
I have a big problem with a second EU vote and have an even bigger problem with no deal .
I’m a staunch Remainer but think too much has happened now for the UK to stay . I want a deal that keeps close co-operation with the EU . But if forced I’d have to go for a second vote . This is not where I want to be . People are being forced into more polarized positions because of the impasse .
Well quite. That is why I think the parliamentary centre-left should support the Deal as the only way to avoid a No Deal outcome and make use of the subsequently divided parliamentary Tory party to force a VONC and general election so that a new gov't in further negotiations can achieve a soft Brexit as possible after 2021.
Exactly . Labours position is bizarre . They don’t have an issue with the WA . The future framework can be changed . They can’t avoid blame in a no deal .
Collective insanity in evidence. The stupidity of the crowd
I think it’s a case of some just being fed up and wanting it to end . The issue with the poll is just two choices . The Ipsos Mori shows more support a delay. Much depends on how you word these things .
That's true. You can produce majorities for and against a second referendum, depending on the wording of the question.
I have a big problem with a second EU vote and have an even bigger problem with no deal .
I’m a staunch Remainer but think too much has happened now for the UK to stay . I want a deal that keeps close co-operation with the EU . But if forced I’d have to go for a second vote . This is not where I want to be . People are being forced into more polarized positions because of the impasse .
Well quite. That is why I think the parliamentary centre-left should support the Deal as the only way to avoid a No Deal outcome and make use of the subsequently divided parliamentary Tory party to force a VONC and general election so that a new gov't in further negotiations can achieve a soft Brexit as possible after 2021.
Exactly . Labours position is bizarre . They don’t have an issue with the WA . The future framework can be changed . They can’t avoid blame in a no deal .
Other possible game changers - 500,000 remainers trash London on the weekend. Senior politician is caught saying something inflammatory about Brexit. VONC causes timeout. May refuses to act on parliaments vote and holds on till 11pm 29th. EU intervene and rule out any extension
Both Paris and London could be burning simultaneously this saturday
Anyone planning on going to demo on Saturday, you are conscious Trotsky yellow vests anarchists can hijack it and the deplorable violence will play perfectly into May’s grid for the week. hijack it means the bigger the crowd the higher their profile when they hoist themselves on your shoulders. It’s the classic, I have got to do something, damn the thing I done undermined my argument by adding support to rioting
The October demonstration was impeccably behaved. I fear no Neon Nazis.
Collective insanity in evidence. The stupidity of the crowd
I think it’s a case of some just being fed up and wanting it to end . The issue with the poll is just two choices . The Ipsos Mori shows more support a delay. Much depends on how you word these things .
That's true. You can produce majorities for and against a second referendum, depending on the wording of the question.
I have a big problem with a second EU vote and have an even bigger problem with no deal .
I’m a staunch Remainer but think too much has happened now for the UK to stay . I want a deal that keeps close co-operation with the EU . But if forced I’d have to go for a second vote . This is not where I want to be . People are being forced into more polarized positions because of the impasse .
Well quite. That is why I think the parliamentary centre-left should support the Deal as the only way to avoid a No Deal outcome and make use of the subsequently divided parliamentary Tory party to force a VONC and general election so that a new gov't in further negotiations can achieve a soft Brexit as possible after 2021.
Exactly . Labours position is bizarre . They don’t have an issue with the WA . The future framework can be changed . They can’t avoid blame in a no deal .
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a) They would sign it anyway and I was only trying to demonstrate the numbers were not unreasonable, not that they were comparable to valid voters.
b) Although neither of us have a clue, I suspect the British living in France would be multiple times more concerned than the Brits in the UK about Brexit.
I’m a staunch Remainer but think too much has happened now for the UK to stay . I want a deal that keeps close co-operation with the EU . But if forced I’d have to go for a second vote . This is not where I want to be . People are being forced into more polarized positions because of the impasse .
If we see the end of May next Friday, that will be it for A50.
In the case of a negative vote in the British parliament, we will be going to a no-deal. We all know that. It is absolutely essential to be clear in these days and these moments, because it is a matter of the good functioning of the EU. We cannot have what I would call an excessive extension which would harm our capacity to decision and to act.
https://twitter.com/DPJHodges/status/1108766076412850179
There is a deal on the table. We could pass it tomorrow and all of this would go away. It is not perfect but it is better than no deal.
I am becoming absolutely livid at MPs not just holding their nose and voting for it. Although May has been a gigantic prat and has handled this atrociously, MPs will share a tremendous amount of the responsibility if they precipitate a no deal Brexit.
She has only said that she wouldn’t be PM if the extension went past June . That doesn’t mean she’d refuse to ask for one .
If May went there I think she’ll make a big deal of the peace process in NI and keeping the UK together.
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Wanting something to just "go away" is not the right way to approach a decision that will affect us all for a generation.
Anyone planning on going to demo on Saturday, you are conscious Trotsky yellow vests anarchists can hijack it and the deplorable violence will play perfectly into May’s grid for the week.
hijack it means the bigger the crowd the higher their profile when they hoist themselves on your shoulders. It’s the classic, I have got to do something, damn the thing I done undermined my argument by adding support to rioting