Terror attacks undertaken in the name of their religion by British Muslims on the wider British public of the UK are hardly going to engender a positive attitude towards people of that religion. Too right there is a lasting negative impact. Who are these incredulous people? It's like being surprised at a finding that "The Blitz has had a lasting negative impact on attiudes towards Nazis".
It is a shit blatantly party-political point by Hope Not Hate. Otherwise we would have polling on the % impact of other parties' voters. What % of Labour voters had a lasting negative impact, eh?
They clearly have an agenda, to equate Tory = anti-Islam to mitigate Labour = anti-semitic. "Oh well, all parties have their problems." Bullshit in the general, bullshit in the specifics.
Marvellous. You have done with Moslems and terror attacks precisely what the far left does with the actions of the Israeli government and Jews.
No. If he was doing with Muslims attacks based on the actions of the Saudi government or some other Muslim government that would be comparable to the actions of.the Israeli government.
Instead he was speaking about the actions of British Muslims in Britain. The fact you see no distinction between Brits in Britain and Israel of the religion is swapped is very antisemitic.
The Jewish equivalent of British Muslims in Britain is British Jews in Britain. Not Israel.
Holding a community responsible for the acts of individuals is as perverse as holding a community responsible for the acts of a foreign government. I am sorry you did not understand what I was saying.
Good to hear. The men who murdered Jo Cox & drove into people outside the Finsbury Park Mosque are individuals responsible only to themselves, and shame on anyone who tries to associate them with any larger group.
Clearly they are associated with a larger group. Far too many Leavers are far too willing to cry "treason" and then seek to dissociate themselves from those who take them at their word.
A new Party formed by London based MPs. Dedicated to overturning the biggest democratic mandate in history. Pro excessive immigration. Pro identify politics.
Looking from outside the bubble it looks like a bunch of extremists.
Terror attacks undertaken in the name of their religion by British Muslims on the wider British public of the UK are hardly going to engender a positive attitude towards people of that religion. Too right there is a lasting negative impact. Who are these incredulous people? It's like being surprised at a finding that "The Blitz has had a lasting negative impact on attiudes towards Nazis".
It is a shit blatantly party-political point by Hope Not Hate. Otherwise we would have polling on the % impact of other parties' voters. What % of Labour voters had a lasting negative impact, eh?
They clearly have an agenda, to equate Tory = anti-Islam to mitigate Labour = anti-semitic. "Oh well, all parties have their problems." Bullshit in the general, bullshit in the specifics.
Marvellous. You have done with Moslems and terror attacks precisely what the far left does with the actions of the Israeli government and Jews.
No. If he was doing with Muslims attacks based on the actions of the Saudi government or some other Muslim government that would be comparable to the actions of.the Israeli government.
Instead he was speaking about the actions of British Muslims in Britain. The fact you see no distinction between Brits in Britain and Israel of the religion is swapped is very antisemitic.
The Jewish equivalent of British Muslims in Britain is British Jews in Britain. Not Israel.
So it's OK to be prejudiced against British Muslims in general because of the actions of Muslim terrorists, provided the terrorists are British?
The mind boggles.
I wouldn’t say it’s okay, but I think the irrationality is more understandable. It doesn’t help that most of the people who are radicalised come from a Muslim background.
Terror attacks undertaken in the name of their religion by British Muslims on the wider British public of the UK are hardly going to engender a positive attitude towards people of that religion. Too right there is a lasting negative impact. Who are these incredulous people? It's like being surprised at a finding that "The Blitz has had a lasting negative impact on attiudes towards Nazis".
It is a shit blatantly party-political point by Hope Not Hate. Otherwise we would have polling on the % impact of other parties' voters. What % of Labour voters had a lasting negative impact, eh?
They clearly have an agenda, to equate Tory = anti-Islam to mitigate Labour = anti-semitic. "Oh well, all parties have their problems." Bullshit in the general, bullshit in the specifics.
Marvellous. You have done with Moslems and terror attacks precisely what the far left does with the actions of the Israeli government and Jews.
No. If he was doing with Muslims attacks based on the actions of the Saudi government or some other Muslim government that would be comparable to the actions of.the Israeli government.
Instead he was speaking about the actions of British Muslims in Britain. The fact you see no distinction between Brits in Britain and Israel of the religion is swapped is very antisemitic.
The Jewish equivalent of British Muslims in Britain is British Jews in Britain. Not Israel.
Holding a community responsible for the acts of individuals is as perverse as holding a community responsible for the acts of a foreign government. I am sorry you did not understand what I was saying.
Good to hear. The men who murdered Jo Cox & drove into people outside the Finsbury Park Mosque are individuals responsible only to themselves, and shame on anyone who tries to associate them with any larger group.
Clearly they are associated with a larger group. Far too many Leavers are far too willing to cry "treason" and then seek to dissociate themselves from those who take them at their word.
So devout Muslims can disassociate themselves from violence in the name of Islam, but people who voted to leave the EU have to share the blame for individual acts of Terrorism from others who voted Leave?
I would imagine Sheffield Hallam would be a target seat. I read it has more PHD's as constituents than any other. This obviously explains the election of Mr O'Mara.
They should launch some big polices each week. A Green New Deal. Constitutional reform. Industrial strategy. Everything from the IPPR report. Get Labour activists looking at their own party and wondering where the intellect is.
So devout Muslims can disassociate themselves from violence in the name of Islam, but people who voted to leave the EU have to share the blame for individual acts of Terrorism from others who voted Leave?
A lot of Leavers throw around words like "treason", "betrayal", "enemies of the people" and so on as freely as confetti. Then try to claim that those who treat those words literally have nothing to do with them.
Surely they’re not that stupid? (As deliciously hilarious as that would be for everyone else) 🤣
It is the right move if their main aim is to pressure Labour over Brexit. If they want to be credible party on their own right they should leave now, though.
So devout Muslims can disassociate themselves from violence in the name of Islam, but people who voted to leave the EU have to share the blame for individual acts of Terrorism from others who voted Leave?
A lot of Leavers throw around words like "treason", "betrayal", "enemies of the people" and so on as freely as confetti. Then try to claim that those who treat those words literally have nothing to do with them.
A lot of Muslims would prefer it if the UK were an Islamic Republic rather than a Western Democracy, but they’re not responsible for the terrorism of the extremists.
Terror attacks undertaken in the name of their religion by British Muslims on the wider British public of the UK are hardly going to engender a positive attitude towards people of that religion. Too right there is a lasting negative impact. Who are these incredulous people? It's like being surprised at a finding that "The Blitz has had a lasting negative impact on attiudes towards Nazis".
It is a shit blatantly party-political point by Hope Not Hate. Otherwise we would have polling on the % impact of other parties' voters. What % of Labour voters had a lasting negative impact, eh?
They clearly have an agenda, to equate Tory = anti-Islam to mitigate Labour = anti-semitic. "Oh well, all parties have their problems." Bullshit in the general, bullshit in the specifics.
Tbh having the Blitz as the defining factor of one's attitude to Nazis would suggest an incredibly solipsistic, parochial approach to history.
I would imagine Sheffield Hallam would be a target seat. I read it has more PHD's as constituents than any other. This obviously explains the election of Mr O'Mara.
Terror attacks undertaken in the name of their religion by British Muslims on the wider British public of the UK are hardly going to engender a positive attitude towards people of that religion. Too right there is a lasting negative impact. Who are these incredulous people? It's like being surprised at a finding that "The Blitz has had a lasting negative impact on attiudes towards Nazis".
It is a shit blatantly party-political point by Hope Not Hate. Otherwise we would have polling on the % impact of other parties' voters. What % of Labour voters had a lasting negative impact, eh?
They clearly have an agenda, to equate Tory = anti-Islam to mitigate Labour = anti-semitic. "Oh well, all parties have their problems." Bullshit in the general, bullshit in the specifics.
Tbh having the Blitz as the defining factor of one's attitude to Nazis would suggest an incredibly solipsistic, parochial approach to history.
I guess that's where we are in Brexit Britain.
But it was most Londoners' direct experience of the Nazis. Most of them didn't live next to door one. Didn't go to Nuremburg for the rallies. Just heard bad things about them on the radio from that Mr. Churchill.
Perhaps we should blame Winston for their bad rep?
Terror attacks undertaken in the name of their religion by British Muslims on the wider British public of the UK are hardly going to engender a positive attitude towards people of that religion. Too right there is a lasting negative impact. Who are these incredulous people? It's like being surprised at a finding that "The Blitz has had a lasting negative impact on attiudes towards Nazis".
It is a shit blatantly party-political point by Hope Not Hate. Otherwise we would have polling on the % impact of other parties' voters. What % of Labour voters had a lasting negative impact, eh?
They clearly have an agenda, to equate Tory = anti-Islam to mitigate Labour = anti-semitic. "Oh well, all parties have their problems." Bullshit in the general, bullshit in the specifics.
Marvellous. You have done with Moslems and terror attacks precisely what the far left does with the actions of the Israeli government and Jews.
No. If he was doing with Muslims attacks based on the actions of the Saudi government or some other Muslim government that would be comparable to the actions of.the Israeli government.
Instead he was speaking about the actions of British Muslims in Britain. The fact you see no distinction between Brits in Britain and Israel of the religion is swapped is very antisemitic.
The Jewish equivalent of British Muslims in Britain is British Jews in Britain. Not Israel.
So it's OK to be prejudiced against British Muslims in general because of the actions of Muslim terrorists, provided the terrorists are British?
The mind boggles.
I wouldn’t say it’s okay, but I think the irrationality is more understandable. It doesn’t help that most of the people who are radicalised come from a Muslim background.
Terror attacks undertaken in the name of their religion by British Muslims on the wider British public of the UK are hardly going to engender a positive attitude towards people of that religion. Too right there is a lasting negative impact. Who are these incredulous people? It's like being surprised at a finding that "The Blitz has had a lasting negative impact on attiudes towards Nazis".
It is a shit blatantly party-political point by Hope Not Hate. Otherwise we would have polling on the % impact of other parties' voters. What % of Labour voters had a lasting negative impact, eh?
They clearly have an agenda, to equate Tory = anti-Islam to mitigate Labour = anti-semitic. "Oh well, all parties have their problems." Bullshit in the general, bullshit in the specifics.
Tbh having the Blitz as the defining factor of one's attitude to Nazis would suggest an incredibly solipsistic, parochial approach to history.
I guess that's where we are in Brexit Britain.
But it was most Londoners' direct experience of the Nazis. Most of them didn't live next to door one. Didn't go to Nuremburg for the rallies. Just heard bad things about them on the radio from that Mr. Churchill.
Perhaps we should blame Winston for their bad rep?
On that basis the Japanese must absolutely loath American capitalist might, except that it's almost exactly the reverse. Though if you're saying the average Tokyo wrinkly is more open minded than the average London one...
One assumes it has the backing of Blair and his millions. Maybe they will have a live link to NY and get David Millband involved..... Oh how I love nostalgia and going back to the future.
I would imagine Sheffield Hallam would be a target seat. I read it has more PHD's as constituents than any other. This obviously explains the election of Mr O'Mara.
Its also one of the top LibDem target seats.
If there is a deal they'd have to give the LDs a free run in a seat like that. But there are enough others where the LDs no longer have the vote or organisation to accommodate the seven, if that's how many there are.
Of course, there may be some HoL members earmarked for those chairs.
So are they going to be resigning their seats and standing in by-elections ?
And didn't those two defections take place AFTER UKIP had won the 2014 Euro elections ?
I don't think it is strictly necessary to separate symptom and cause, Labour defections could either change the landscape per se, or are symptoms of the wider rot within Labour which could.
Good news. I more-or-less agree with Long-Bailey that any Labour governmt is better than the alternative which is why I hope the break away happens. Labour doesn't stand a hope in hell of winning an election with Corbyn in charge and there's no hope of him leaving so the best hope is for the party to split.
From Guido: Corbynistas have named Angela Smith, Ian Austin and Mike Gapes as three other likely quitters, although Ian Austin has reportedly since denied that he is quitting the Labour Party. Other potential Labour exiteers include Luciana Berger, Owen Smith, Peter Kyle, Stephen Kinnock and Liz Kendall.
not a viable long term proposition but a good blank canvas
The worry is that its too focused on political process rather than on actual policies that the general public may be interested it.
The #changepolitics hash tag in particular suggests it just wants to promote a 'kinder gentler politics' which is something voters will say they support in principal but when it comes to it, won't attract many votes.
Mr. Borough, ah, yes, think it was you. And a better name is hard to think of. Except the Owl Party, of course. Or the Patrick Party, but we've already earmarked that one.
Meanwhile in other news: In European capitals there is now mounting alarm that Theresa May has set Britain on course for a diplomatic disaster, by fundamentally misjudging how far EU leaders are prepared to bend at the last minute in their summit just a week before Britain’s EU departure date.
Mr. Borough, ah, yes, think it was you. And a better name is hard to think of. Except the Owl Party, of course. Or the Patrick Party, but we've already earmarked that one.
The Patrick Party???
Nicknamed Paddy Power, no doubt.
Which would be their most adventurous advertising campaign yet!
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Dedicated to overturning the biggest democratic mandate in history. Pro excessive immigration. Pro identify politics.
Looking from outside the bubble it looks like a bunch of extremists.
They then romp to victory.
Unless they promise to get rid of student fees and debts you can discard the university seats.
A problem is that not only would they be competing against Labour it would also be areas where the LibDems and/or Greens are active.
Get Labour activists looking at their own party and wondering where the intellect is.
I guess that's where we are in Brexit Britain.
Blue and Red aye...
Throw in a bye election and this post EU world is looking like a lot of fun already.
Tories are blue
They voted to Leave
We’ll stay in the EU
Being prejudiced against someone because they're Muslim is wrong. Discriminating against someone because of their religion is wrong.
I'm surprised you failed to see that in my previous post.
Perhaps we should blame Winston for their bad rep?
[As an aside, I might consider voting for a new party].
Tories are blue
People like us
Should not be told what to do
By people like you
Dancing onstage. That would be the way to introduce a new party.
I'm cringing already......
Of course, there may be some HoL members earmarked for those chairs.
https://twitter.com/bintofsparkles/status/1097430114365784064
(that's enough Kid Creole bollox - ed)
‘Not for the many, for the opulent’?
And didn't those two defections take place AFTER UKIP had won the 2014 Euro elections ?
The Independent Group, the party for people who read The Independent.
Dilbert and other variations are available.
People will be thinking more along the lines of Tommy Robinson than Chuka Ummunnunana???
The Independent Group is interesting but wouldn't it conflict with the rule on similarity, given how many independent candidates there are?
The #changepolitics hash tag in particular suggests it just wants to promote a 'kinder gentler politics' which is something voters will say they support in principal but when it comes to it, won't attract many votes.
But probably not the first.
To me, to eu....
Who is funding them?
Chris Leslie and Chuka are both top blokes.
Could be fun.
Nicknamed Paddy Power, no doubt.
Which would be their most adventurous advertising campaign yet!