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  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 42,992
    Sandpit said:

    TOPPING said:

    Meanwhile, for a bit of light relief from from discussions about jailed MPs and Br*x*t, I have found myself in Las Vegas for a few days.

    Anything I absolutely have to do while here?

    Go and see a couple of the big shows. I saw Penn and Teller do their bullet catch routine, and the Cirque de Soleil.

    Don’t take your credit cards to the casino, and make sure you wear a watch ‘cos there’s no clocks anywhere.
    Good advice indeed. Thanks.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,176
    _Anazina_ said:

    The best thing about Fiona's sentence is the frothing it has triggered from the obsessives on here.

    Bravo!

    It's Festus I feel sorry for.
  • _Anazina__Anazina_ Posts: 1,810

    Onasanya MP and solicitor gets 3 months jail. Her brother gets 10 months jail for the same offence. Both black.

    IIRC he pleaded guilty to three charges of perverting the course of justice, she was found guilty of just one charge.
    You are clouding the issue with facts.
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    May skewering Corbyn on his lack of knowledge on customs unions.
  • SlackbladderSlackbladder Posts: 9,773
    Did Corbyn just admit that his customs union would not be 'the customs union'?????
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,626
    edited January 2019
    TOPPING said:

    Jonathan said:

    TOPPING said:

    Meanwhile, for a bit of light relief from from discussions about jailed MPs and Br*x*t, I have found myself in Las Vegas for a few days.

    Anything I absolutely have to do while here?

    Hire a car, go to the grand canyon.
    Thanks will look at doing that. Good call.
    CHECK!! You may find snow makes the South Rim difficult to access. North Rim impossible.

    If you can get there, stay overnight at a hotel. Get up well before light. Look at the astonishing stars. Listen to the coyote howling. Find a spot on the canyon rim to watch the sunrise.

    Then, make sure a coachload from Rotherham don't tip up next to you two minutes before sunrise. "Eh, look at t'canyon. Grand, intit?" (True story, sadly....)

    #HowToKillTheMoment
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,389
    _Anazina_ said:

    FFS she needs to be sent down

    People on here are utterly obsessed with this lady.
    It's a newsworthy story. And, it's a lenient sentence.
  • stodgestodge Posts: 13,902
    TOPPING said:

    Thanks will look at doing that. Good call.

    Haven't been to Vegas since Christmas 2015 but I can recommend the show Love at The Mirage which is a cirque de soleil performance to Beatles music.

    Maggiano's in the Fashion Show Mall is a superb restaurant but there's a lovely southern restaurant in the Venetian whose name escapes me.

    Try the High Roller - the view is better than the London Eye - and go downtown to Fremont Street. It's picked up a lot in recent years with some quirky new restaurants.


  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,279
    rpjs said:

    TOPPING said:

    Meanwhile, for a bit of light relief from from discussions about jailed MPs and Br*x*t, I have found myself in Las Vegas for a few days.

    Anything I absolutely have to do while here?

    S-i-L lives in LV, and we've found the regular attractions pale very quickly. However, a trip out into the desert to somewhere like Red Rock Canyon is worth doing, as are some of the "ghost towns" nearby. It's near enough to the Grand Canyon to take a road trip there (there are bus tours from LV) or helicopter tour if you're willing to drop the $$$. The Hoover Dam is much closer and a good compromise if you don't fancy going all the way to the canyon.
    Visited when I was twelve.
    Flew down the Grand Canyon, and the Hoover Dam was ace. No interest whatsoever in revisiting Las Vegas, which remains one of the most depressing places I've ever seen.
  • TGOHF said:

    May skewering Corbyn on his lack of knowledge on customs unions.

    Wonder if he has managed to actually read the WA yet?
  • I think it's amazing that May is blundering into the ERG's elephant trap.
  • rpjsrpjs Posts: 3,787
    TOPPING said:

    How is a recall petition set up?

    Grauniad says it’s opened automatically once an MP is sentenced to prison, even suspended, but not until the appeal process is ended.

    I see she is appealing. Does anyone know if she’s been released on bail for that or was she actually sent down today.
  • David_EvershedDavid_Evershed Posts: 6,506
    edited January 2019
    TOPPING said:

    Onasanya MP and solicitor gets 3 months jail. Her brother gets 10 months jail for the same offence. Both black.

    PB contributor makes asinine comment. Probably white.
    Observe that those on the one armed bandits in Las Vegas are mostly disabled in some way.

    Bryce Canyon is great.
  • _Anazina__Anazina_ Posts: 1,810
    Sean_F said:

    _Anazina_ said:

    FFS she needs to be sent down

    People on here are utterly obsessed with this lady.
    It's a newsworthy story. And, it's a lenient sentence.
    Both of your statements are true. As is mine.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,814
    Mr. Fantastic, you're amazed by May (apparently) making a mistake?

    You're not related to Rip Van Winkle, are you?
  • david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 17,751
    tlg86 said:

    _Anazina_ said:

    The best thing about Fiona's sentence is the frothing it has triggered from the obsessives on here.

    Bravo!

    It's Festus I feel sorry for.
    Not least, for that name.
  • Mr. Fantastic, you're amazed by May (apparently) making a mistake?

    You're not related to Rip Van Winkle, are you?

    It buys her another two weeks of futile displacement activity and the EU27 saying "no!" in 17 languages and keeps her in office until she has to come back and present the unamended WA for another shellacking in two weeks.

    Nothing has changed. Here we go again.
  • TGOHF said:

    May skewering Corbyn on his lack of knowledge on customs unions.

    Corbyn has a lack of knowledge on all matters. He is as thick as a plank. The IDS of the Labour Party
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 42,992

    TOPPING said:

    Jonathan said:

    TOPPING said:

    Meanwhile, for a bit of light relief from from discussions about jailed MPs and Br*x*t, I have found myself in Las Vegas for a few days.

    Anything I absolutely have to do while here?

    Hire a car, go to the grand canyon.
    Thanks will look at doing that. Good call.
    CHECK!! You may find snow makes the South Rim difficult to access. North Rim impossible.

    If you can get there, stay overnight at a hotel. Get up well before light. Look at the astonishing stars. Listen to the coyote howling. Find a spot on the canyon rim to watch the sunrise.

    Then, make sure a coachload from Rotherham don't tip up next to you two minutes before sunrise. "Eh, look at t'canyon. Grand, intit?" (True story, sadly....)

    #HowToKillTheMoment
    haha thanks and noted.

    And presumably also, as the sun pokes its head over the mighty mountain range, shrouded in mist, its presence a fierce reminder us of our insignificance...don't pull out my iphone and start typing a PB post...
  • ChrisChris Posts: 11,752
    kinabalu said:

    GIN1138 said:

    I still think Theresa is going to pull off a deal. Though the behaviour of Parliament is making it ever more difficult...

    So do I. Passed in Feb/March, leave in Q2. Then she continues as PM until 2021 when she steps down and is replaced by Brexit Czar Michael Gove.

    This is the future that I see. I've tried others, I really have, and I know that plenty of them seem more likely right now, but none are quite as vivid and realistic looking on my device as the one above.
    The Cooper amendment would instruct the government to request an extension more than a month before the deadline. It's perhaps easier to imagine the EU refusing an early request like that than a last-minute one. They might say, "No, because nothing has been agreed yet. If you can agree a course of action in the next four weeks we'll view a request favourably."
  • rpjsrpjs Posts: 3,787
    stodge said:

    TOPPING said:

    Thanks will look at doing that. Good call.

    Haven't been to Vegas since Christmas 2015 but I can recommend the show Love at The Mirage which is a cirque de soleil performance to Beatles music.

    Maggiano's in the Fashion Show Mall is a superb restaurant but there's a lovely southern restaurant in the Venetian whose name escapes me.

    Try the High Roller - the view is better than the London Eye - and go downtown to Fremont Street. It's picked up a lot in recent years with some quirky new restaurants.


    Yes there are some cool things in downtown, like the container park (a “mall” of hip boutiques and eateries in old shipping containers). Downtown LV is still a bit dodgy in places and you can step from fine to sketchy in just a block so be aware of your surroundings.
  • david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 17,751
    _Anazina_ said:

    FFS she needs to be sent down

    People on here are utterly obsessed with this lady.
    On most days, the first sitting MP to be jailed in 30 years or so would be a lead news story.
  • SlackbladderSlackbladder Posts: 9,773
    This is a dam farce....
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,814
    I remember reading, I forget where, that blackjack offers a 49.5% chance of winning, and all other casino games are far worse for the gambler.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 42,992
    stodge said:

    TOPPING said:

    Thanks will look at doing that. Good call.

    Haven't been to Vegas since Christmas 2015 but I can recommend the show Love at The Mirage which is a cirque de soleil performance to Beatles music.

    Maggiano's in the Fashion Show Mall is a superb restaurant but there's a lovely southern restaurant in the Venetian whose name escapes me.

    Try the High Roller - the view is better than the London Eye - and go downtown to Fremont Street. It's picked up a lot in recent years with some quirky new restaurants.


    tyvm
  • oxfordsimonoxfordsimon Posts: 5,842

    _Anazina_ said:

    FFS she needs to be sent down

    People on here are utterly obsessed with this lady.
    On most days, the first sitting MP to be jailed in 30 years or so would be a lead news story.
    The first female MP to be jailed
  • Harris_TweedHarris_Tweed Posts: 1,337
    edited January 2019
    These endless points of order do nothing to extinguish the suspicion that this is one big game to this lot.

    And JRM is getting more pompous by the day (from an already world-beating starting point).

    (EDIT TO ADD: Also.. Bercow may have his faults, but his deftness in dealing with nonsense is impressive)
  • I remember reading, I forget where, that blackjack offers a 49.5% chance of winning, and all other casino games are far worse for the gambler.

    49.5% chance of winning _if you play optimally_. There's a reason why casinos ply gamblers with free booze.
  • MTimTMTimT Posts: 7,034
    rpjs said:

    TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    Meanwhile, for a bit of light relief from from discussions about jailed MPs and Br*x*t, I have found myself in Las Vegas for a few days.

    Anything I absolutely have to do while here?

    Avoid the pretty women who turn out to be prostitutes and/or men.
    On checking in I was asked about 10 times whether I really only wanted just one key to my room so it is quite obvious that the default is not to avoid such people.
    It's so you can leave one in the slot by the door to keep the lights and a/c on while you're out.
    And recharge camera/computer/iPad/phone batteries while out drinking at night.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,501
    _Anazina_ said:

    The best thing about Fiona's sentence is the frothing it has triggered from the obsessives on here.

    Bravo!

    It's not so much the sentence, more the judge's sentencing remarks.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,134
    edited January 2019

    I remember reading, I forget where, that blackjack offers a 49.5% chance of winning, and all other casino games are far worse for the gambler.

    It depends. More recently, the casinos on the strip have altered their payout ratios and so it is much worse deal. Most have gone from classic 3:2 Blackjack to 6:5 over the years.
  • dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,300
    https://twitter.com/MichaelLCrick/status/1090262550401306625 Wonder why Labour are so quick to drop her in the mire.
  • EndillionEndillion Posts: 4,976
    TOPPING said:

    Jonathan said:

    TOPPING said:

    Meanwhile, for a bit of light relief from from discussions about jailed MPs and Br*x*t, I have found myself in Las Vegas for a few days.

    Anything I absolutely have to do while here?

    Hire a car, go to the grand canyon.
    Thanks will look at doing that. Good call.
    Go see the Hoover Dam on the way (there, not back).

    If you can, go to the Canyon South Rim rather than the West. It's a much longer journey (only just doable in a single day) but the views are much better and you get ripped off significantly less in terms of entry fees.
  • _Anazina_ said:

    FFS she needs to be sent down

    People on here are utterly obsessed with this lady.
    On most days, the first sitting MP to be jailed in 30 years or so would be a lead news story.
    Hang on, when I popped in here earlier there were people suggesting that the judge was a simpering liberal. I think they were the same type who accuse other judges of being "enemies of the people"
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,626
    TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    Jonathan said:

    TOPPING said:

    Meanwhile, for a bit of light relief from from discussions about jailed MPs and Br*x*t, I have found myself in Las Vegas for a few days.

    Anything I absolutely have to do while here?

    Hire a car, go to the grand canyon.
    Thanks will look at doing that. Good call.
    CHECK!! You may find snow makes the South Rim difficult to access. North Rim impossible.

    If you can get there, stay overnight at a hotel. Get up well before light. Look at the astonishing stars. Listen to the coyote howling. Find a spot on the canyon rim to watch the sunrise.

    Then, make sure a coachload from Rotherham don't tip up next to you two minutes before sunrise. "Eh, look at t'canyon. Grand, intit?" (True story, sadly....)

    #HowToKillTheMoment
    haha thanks and noted.

    And presumably also, as the sun pokes its head over the mighty mountain range, shrouded in mist, its presence a fierce reminder us of our insignificance...don't pull out my iphone and start typing a PB post...
    No need - seems you are the only poster here who hasn't been!
  • Those amendments in full:

    a - Magic Unicorn
    o - Displacement Activity
    g - Displacement Activity
    b - Displacement Activity
    j - Magic Unicorn
    i - Displacement Activity
    n - Magic Unicorn/Displacement Activity hybrid.
  • ChrisChris Posts: 11,752
    None of this really supports the picture of Corbyn ruthlessly blocking every alternative to No Deal, in order to extract political advantage.

    I'm afraid a lot of people here tend to get blinded by their political prejudices.
  • SlackbladderSlackbladder Posts: 9,773
    Corbyn bluntly annoyed with Cooper.
  • Tissue_PriceTissue_Price Posts: 9,039
    Corbyn really making a hash of this - somehow it's now all about his own feud with his own MP Angela Smith.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,134
    edited January 2019

    I remember reading, I forget where, that blackjack offers a 49.5% chance of winning, and all other casino games are far worse for the gambler.

    49.5% chance of winning _if you play optimally_. There's a reason why casinos ply gamblers with free booze.
    Video poker, with the right comps, playing at the right times of day, at the right casinos, is the best deal (if you play optimally). It can be a +EV game, given all the correct conditions.
  • EndillionEndillion Posts: 4,976
    Sandpit said:

    TOPPING said:

    Meanwhile, for a bit of light relief from from discussions about jailed MPs and Br*x*t, I have found myself in Las Vegas for a few days.

    Anything I absolutely have to do while here?

    Go and see a couple of the big shows. I saw Penn and Teller do their bullet catch routine, and the Cirque de Soleil.

    Don’t take your credit cards to the casino, and make sure you wear a watch ‘cos there’s no clocks anywhere.
    Le Reve at the Wynn is my favourite, but your tastes may differ.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,414
    TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    Jonathan said:

    TOPPING said:

    Meanwhile, for a bit of light relief from from discussions about jailed MPs and Br*x*t, I have found myself in Las Vegas for a few days.

    Anything I absolutely have to do while here?

    Hire a car, go to the grand canyon.
    Thanks will look at doing that. Good call.
    CHECK!! You may find snow makes the South Rim difficult to access. North Rim impossible.

    If you can get there, stay overnight at a hotel. Get up well before light. Look at the astonishing stars. Listen to the coyote howling. Find a spot on the canyon rim to watch the sunrise.

    Then, make sure a coachload from Rotherham don't tip up next to you two minutes before sunrise. "Eh, look at t'canyon. Grand, intit?" (True story, sadly....)

    #HowToKillTheMoment
    haha thanks and noted.

    And presumably also, as the sun pokes its head over the mighty mountain range, shrouded in mist, its presence a fierce reminder us of our insignificance...don't pull out my iphone and start typing a PB post...
    The desert is eerily beautiful. I found the numerous ghost towns, utterly miles from everywhere, totally fascinating. But maybe that's just me.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,732
    TOPPING said:

    Meanwhile, for a bit of light relief from from discussions about jailed MPs and Br*x*t, I have found myself in Las Vegas for a few days.

    Anything I absolutely have to do while here?

    If you’re an adrenaline junkie try the rides on top of the Stratosphere.
  • These endless points of order do nothing to extinguish the suspicion that this is one big game to this lot.

    And JRM is getting more pompous by the day (from an already world-beating starting point).

    (EDIT TO ADD: Also.. Bercow may have his faults, but his deftness in dealing with nonsense is impressive)

    One of the founding tenets of the ERG is to promote Ever Closer Pompousness
  • gypsumfantasticgypsumfantastic Posts: 258
    edited January 2019
    Chris said:


    None of this really supports the picture of Corbyn ruthlessly blocking every alternative to No Deal, in order to extract political advantage.

    The Cooper amendment does nothing to stop No Deal. It's not within the Prime Minister's power to grant, and her party won't let her do it.

    It does, however, cause May further discomfiture. So it's safe for Corbyn to support.
  • MTimT said:

    MTimT said:

    dr_spyn said:
    Upon hearing her sentence, the first thought in my head was "Did race have anything to do with the harshness of the sentence and how does this compare to Huhne?" Glad to see from the sentencing remarks that the judge directly addresses the second point, and provides a very reasoned explanation as to his decision, which implies that race was not a factor, even implicitly.
    How is her virtue in being a role model to black girls nothing to do with race?
    That sentence is about being a role model, not the group for whom she is a role model.

    Switch out 'black girls' for 'the deaf', 'the disabled', or 'Syrian refugee orphans' ad infinitum, and the sentence still works, particularly given the judge's subsequent reference to social justice. So it is not about race, but about being a role model for a group which needs role models. If you don't think black girls need role models, I'd suggest you try being one for a while.

    In the US, there is an entire industry intent on building racism (and a whole list of other -isms) into every issue, regardless of fit. I had not realized it was as bad in the UK, where the historical factors conducive to giving rise to such attitudes are nowhere near as strong.
    So.. she's good because she's a role model, especially as it's to black girls since they really need role models, except it's not that because she could have been a role model to people who think they're Jesus?

    Don't you think the fact that she's a role model, especially to people who particularly need good role models, should reduce the leniency in sentencing? What sort of a role model is she?
  • stodgestodge Posts: 13,902
    TOPPING said:


    tyvm

    Sorry, one more thing... DO NOT USE THE DEUCE !!!

    It's a horrible old bus which the tourists jump on - it stops everywhere and takes forever. I always use the SDE (Strip Downtown Express) or the "Gold" Line as it's also called. Much newer buses and much quicker - they only run from selected stops on the Strip - one at Mandalay Bay, one at Wynn/Encore and a couple of others.

    The Monorail is quaint and fine if you want to visit some of the hotels on one side of the Strip such as the MGM and the new SLS (built on the site of the old Sahara).

  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,814
    Mr. Fantastic, and they stop you playing if you keep winning.

    Mr. Urquhart, could you elaborate? Must admit I only know the basics of blackjack.
  • It is a shame that IDS became an MP, because otherwise it would be very easy to say that Corbyn is quite simply the thickest LoTO that history has ever seen. He is pathetic.
  • gypsumfantasticgypsumfantastic Posts: 258
    edited January 2019

    These endless points of order do nothing to extinguish the suspicion that this is one big game to this lot.

    And JRM is getting more pompous by the day (from an already world-beating starting point).

    (EDIT TO ADD: Also.. Bercow may have his faults, but his deftness in dealing with nonsense is impressive)

    One of the founding tenets of the ERG is to promote Ever Closer Pompousness
    Ever c**tier union?
  • I think Bobazina might be in the mood to restart his MemePoliceForce.

    What joy for the rest of us...
  • mattmatt Posts: 3,789
    edited January 2019
    dixiedean said:

    TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    Jonathan said:

    TOPPING said:

    Meanwhile, for a bit of light relief from from discussions about jailed MPs and Br*x*t, I have found myself in Las Vegas for a few days.

    Anything I absolutely have to do while here?

    Hire a car, go to the grand canyon.
    Thanks will look at doing that. Good call.
    CHECK!! You may find snow makes the South Rim difficult to access. North Rim impossible.

    If you can get there, stay overnight at a hotel. Get up well before light. Look at the astonishing stars. Listen to the coyote howling. Find a spot on the canyon rim to watch the sunrise.

    Then, make sure a coachload from Rotherham don't tip up next to you two minutes before sunrise. "Eh, look at t'canyon. Grand, intit?" (True story, sadly....)

    #HowToKillTheMoment
    haha thanks and noted.

    And presumably also, as the sun pokes its head over the mighty mountain range, shrouded in mist, its presence a fierce reminder us of our insignificance...don't pull out my iphone and start typing a PB post...
    The desert is eerily beautiful. I found the numerous ghost towns, utterly miles from everywhere, totally fascinating. But maybe that's just me.
    Visit Colorado, if you haven’t. Southern Arizona as well.
  • These endless points of order do nothing to extinguish the suspicion that this is one big game to this lot.

    And JRM is getting more pompous by the day (from an already world-beating starting point).

    (EDIT TO ADD: Also.. Bercow may have his faults, but his deftness in dealing with nonsense is impressive)

    One of the founding tenets of the ERG is to promote Ever Closer Pompousness
    Ever c***tier union?
    +1
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,257
    edited January 2019
    Chris said:

    The Cooper amendment would instruct the government to request an extension more than a month before the deadline. It's perhaps easier to imagine the EU refusing an early request like that than a last-minute one. They might say, "No, because nothing has been agreed yet. If you can agree a course of action in the next four weeks we'll view a request favourably."

    It does muddy the waters. I think TM wishes to create a definitive and final deal vs no deal choice for parliament. If that goes deal, she rules. If no deal, ok well not her fault, she tried, and she possibly carries on as PM and her party does not implode as it would with BINO or remain.

    Cooper seems to make this more difficult but is she bound to pass?
  • Scott_P said:
    May has this disastrous failure to remember that one wing of her party can hear what she's saying to the other wing.
  • EndillionEndillion Posts: 4,976

    I remember reading, I forget where, that blackjack offers a 49.5% chance of winning, and all other casino games are far worse for the gambler.

    It depends. More recently, the casinos on the strip have altered their payout ratios and so it is much worse deal. Most have gone from classic 3:2 Blackjack to 6:5 over the years.
    Classic Blackjack has an RTP (return to player) of 99% (equivalent to the 49.5% figure quoted) but only if you play perfectly, ie have basic strategy memorised and adhere to it. Any deviation reduces that, some significantly. The 6:5 blackjack payout reduces it by several percentage points; other rule changes have less impact (eg dealer hitting on soft 17).

    European Roulette has an RTP of 97% (36/37), while American Roulette reduces this to 95% because of the double zero. But at least nothing you can do makes this worse. Other games are typically in the 90-95% range (I believe Keno is under 95%, for example).
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 32,580
    edited January 2019

    _Anazina_ said:

    FFS she needs to be sent down

    People on here are utterly obsessed with this lady.
    On most days, the first sitting MP to be jailed in 30 years or so would be a lead news story.
    Hang on, when I popped in here earlier there were people suggesting that the judge was a simpering liberal. I think they were the same type who accuse other judges of being "enemies of the people"
    Looking at this logically there is an interesting question as to what good would be served by giving her a longer sentence.

    Being a convicted criminal means her political career is effectively over even if she hangs on a little longer.

    Being a convicted criminal means her normal career in the legal profession is certainly over.

    All that people are effectively saying is she should be kept in jail longer - at the tax payers' expense - to satisfy some political or personal bloodlust.

    Personally I think she is a scumbag but why should we have to pay extra for her to stay in jail a few months longer when it makes absolutely no difference at all to her future - whatever is left of it?

    If people think the sentence is too short then campaign for the minimum to be increased.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,163
    Scott_P said:
    Their intransigence will lead to no deal, so does it really matter?
  • kinabalu said:


    But is Cooper bound to pass?

    I think the Banter Timeline rules suggest that both the Cooper/Boles and Brady amendments will pass.

    Then the motion, as amended, fails.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,414
    matt said:

    dixiedean said:

    TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    Jonathan said:

    TOPPING said:

    Meanwhile, for a bit of light relief from from discussions about jailed MPs and Br*x*t, I have found myself in Las Vegas for a few days.

    Anything I absolutely have to do while here?

    Hire a car, go to the grand canyon.
    Thanks will look at doing that. Good call.
    CHECK!! You may find snow makes the South Rim difficult to access. North Rim impossible.

    If you can get there, stay overnight at a hotel. Get up well before light. Look at the astonishing stars. Listen to the coyote howling. Find a spot on the canyon rim to watch the sunrise.

    Then, make sure a coachload from Rotherham don't tip up next to you two minutes before sunrise. "Eh, look at t'canyon. Grand, intit?" (True story, sadly....)

    #HowToKillTheMoment
    haha thanks and noted.

    And presumably also, as the sun pokes its head over the mighty mountain range, shrouded in mist, its presence a fierce reminder us of our insignificance...don't pull out my iphone and start typing a PB post...
    The desert is eerily beautiful. I found the numerous ghost towns, utterly miles from everywhere, totally fascinating. But maybe that's just me.
    Visit Colorado, if you haven’t. Southern Arizona as well.
    Yes. S Arizona. Colorado is on my bucket list. Cheers.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,163
    Must say i never thought Onasanya would get off so light. Given the maximum sentence is hardly long it's astonishing. But that's that I suppose.
  • TOPPING said:

    Meanwhile, for a bit of light relief from from discussions about jailed MPs and Br*x*t, I have found myself in Las Vegas for a few days.

    Anything I absolutely have to do while here?

    Take a helicopter trip to the Grand Canyon. It was the only worthwhile thing I did on the one occasion I've been to that hell hole.
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,821
    edited January 2019

    Looking at this logically there is an interesting question as to what good would be served by giving her a longer sentence.

    Being a convicted criminal means her political career is effectively over even if she hangs on a little longer.

    Being a convicted criminal means her normal career in the legal profession is certainly over.

    All that people are effectively saying is she should be kept in jail longer - at the tax payers' expense - to satisfy some political or personal bloodlust.

    Personally I think she is a scumbag but why should we have to pay extra for her to stay in jail a few months longer when it makes absolutely no difference at all to her future - whatever is left of it?

    If people think the sentence is too short then campaign for the minimum to be increased.

    All good points, but that doesn't seem to have been the judge's reasoning. He seems to be saying that she got a shorter sentence because she's a black female Labour MP.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,257

    The Cooper amendment does nothing to stop No Deal.

    But Yvette seems to think it does. So what gives?
  • rpjsrpjs Posts: 3,787
    dixiedean said:

    matt said:

    dixiedean said:

    TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    Jonathan said:

    TOPPING said:

    Meanwhile, for a bit of light relief from from discussions about jailed MPs and Br*x*t, I have found myself in Las Vegas for a few days.

    Anything I absolutely have to do while here?

    Hire a car, go to the grand canyon.
    Thanks will look at doing that. Good call.
    CHECK!! You may find snow makes the South Rim difficult to access. North Rim impossible.

    If you can get there, stay overnight at a hotel. Get up well before light. Look at the astonishing stars. Listen to the coyote howling. Find a spot on the canyon rim to watch the sunrise.

    Then, make sure a coachload from Rotherham don't tip up next to you two minutes before sunrise. "Eh, look at t'canyon. Grand, intit?" (True story, sadly....)

    #HowToKillTheMoment
    haha thanks and noted.

    And presumably also, as the sun pokes its head over the mighty mountain range, shrouded in mist, its presence a fierce reminder us of our insignificance...don't pull out my iphone and start typing a PB post...
    The desert is eerily beautiful. I found the numerous ghost towns, utterly miles from everywhere, totally fascinating. But maybe that's just me.
    Visit Colorado, if you haven’t. Southern Arizona as well.
    Yes. S Arizona. Colorado is on my bucket list. Cheers.
    Flagstaff, AZ is surprisingly nice, and the Lowell Observatory there is well worth a visit. I also found the Arizona Meteor Crater much more interesting than I expected, and it's been somewhere I've long wanted to visit.
  • kinabalu said:


    But is Cooper bound to pass?

    I think the Banter Timeline rules suggest that both the Cooper/Boles and Brady amendments will pass.

    Then the motion, as amended, fails.
    What are the various amendments amending?

    Surely if they are amending the MV then Cooper amendment is pointless.

    It is an amendment to the Deal. The only way it can come into effect is if Parliament passes the Deal, otherwise, along with the Deal itself, it falls.

    But if Parliament passes the Deal then the Cooper amendment is not needed as we will have the Deal.

    What am I missing here? Serious question.
  • oxfordsimonoxfordsimon Posts: 5,842

    _Anazina_ said:

    FFS she needs to be sent down

    People on here are utterly obsessed with this lady.
    On most days, the first sitting MP to be jailed in 30 years or so would be a lead news story.
    Hang on, when I popped in here earlier there were people suggesting that the judge was a simpering liberal. I think they were the same type who accuse other judges of being "enemies of the people"
    Looking at this logically there is an interesting question as to what good would be served by giving her a longer sentence.

    Being a convicted criminal means her political career is effectively over even if she hangs on a little longer.

    Being a convicted criminal means her normal career in the legal profession is certainly over.

    All that people are effectively saying is she should be kept in jail longer - at the tax payers' expense - to satisfy some political or personal bloodlust.

    Personally I think she is a scumbag but why should we have to pay extra for her to stay in jail a few months longer when it makes absolutely no difference at all to her future - whatever is left of it?

    If people think the sentence is too short then campaign for the minimum to be increased.
    I think the aggravating factors are her position in the legal profession and her position as MP - both make this a far worse offence.

    She had ample opportunity to retract her lies - and didn't. She continues to claim innocence.

    Her perverting of the course of justice is more serious than Huhne/Price. She should have received at least that same level of sentence.

    That isn't bloodlust - it is basic justice. We have not seen it done today - for whatever reason.
  • Harris_TweedHarris_Tweed Posts: 1,337
    edited January 2019

    kinabalu said:


    But is Cooper bound to pass?

    I think the Banter Timeline rules suggest that both the Cooper/Boles and Brady amendments will pass.

    Then the motion, as amended, fails.
    What are the various amendments amending?

    Surely if they are amending the MV then Cooper amendment is pointless.

    It is an amendment to the Deal. The only way it can come into effect is if Parliament passes the Deal, otherwise, along with the Deal itself, it falls.

    But if Parliament passes the Deal then the Cooper amendment is not needed as we will have the Deal.

    What am I missing here? Serious question.
    Isn't today's just an "amendable motion", not the MV?

    (EDIT: Maybe not, as the Order Paper has it as being under S13 of the EU Withdrawal Act)
  • _Anazina_ said:

    FFS she needs to be sent down

    People on here are utterly obsessed with this lady.
    On most days, the first sitting MP to be jailed in 30 years or so would be a lead news story.
    Hang on, when I popped in here earlier there were people suggesting that the judge was a simpering liberal. I think they were the same type who accuse other judges of being "enemies of the people"
    Looking at this logically there is an interesting question as to what good would be served by giving her a longer sentence.

    Being a convicted criminal means her political career is effectively over even if she hangs on a little longer.

    Being a convicted criminal means her normal career in the legal profession is certainly over.

    All that people are effectively saying is she should be kept in jail longer - at the tax payers' expense - to satisfy some political or personal bloodlust.

    Personally I think she is a scumbag but why should we have to pay extra for her to stay in jail a few months longer when it makes absolutely no difference at all to her future - whatever is left of it?

    If people think the sentence is too short then campaign for the minimum to be increased.
    I agree. She is a stupid and arrogant person who will be struck off from her profession and will most likely lose her political career, although with Corbyn the latter is not certain. As he clearly sees himself as the Messiah (of the intellectually challenged), perhaps he will chooses her as his latter day Mary of Bethany.
  • stodgestodge Posts: 13,902
    matt said:


    Visit Colorado, if you haven’t. Southern Arizona as well.

    I love Palm Springs and especially Rancho Mirage. Spent New Year there with Mrs Stodge in 2015-16. Saw in 2016 drinking a very possible local wine on the terrace of the hotel with the temperature in the low 60s Fahrenheit.

  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 42,992
    Endillion said:

    TOPPING said:

    Jonathan said:

    TOPPING said:

    Meanwhile, for a bit of light relief from from discussions about jailed MPs and Br*x*t, I have found myself in Las Vegas for a few days.

    Anything I absolutely have to do while here?

    Hire a car, go to the grand canyon.
    Thanks will look at doing that. Good call.
    Go see the Hoover Dam on the way (there, not back).

    If you can, go to the Canyon South Rim rather than the West. It's a much longer journey (only just doable in a single day) but the views are much better and you get ripped off significantly less in terms of entry fees.
    thx
  • Scott_P said:
    And yet they keep saying that the UK must be clear what it wants...
  • _Anazina__Anazina_ Posts: 1,810
    stodge said:

    TOPPING said:


    tyvm

    Sorry, one more thing... DO NOT USE THE DEUCE !!!

    It's a horrible old bus which the tourists jump on - it stops everywhere and takes forever. I always use the SDE (Strip Downtown Express) or the "Gold" Line as it's also called. Much newer buses and much quicker - they only run from selected stops on the Strip - one at Mandalay Bay, one at Wynn/Encore and a couple of others.

    The Monorail is quaint and fine if you want to visit some of the hotels on one side of the Strip such as the MGM and the new SLS (built on the site of the old Sahara).

    As it's winter, can't you just walk?
  • TheValiantTheValiant Posts: 1,878
    rpjs said:


    S-i-L lives in LV, and we've found the regular attractions pale very quickly. However, a trip out into the desert to somewhere like Red Rock Canyon is worth doing, as are some of the "ghost towns" nearby. It's near enough to the Grand Canyon to take a road trip there (there are bus tours from LV) or helicopter tour if you're willing to drop the $$$. The Hoover Dam is much closer and a good compromise if you don't fancy going all the way to the canyon.

    I'd avoid Red Rock Canyon, unless you're on good terms with the Khans.

    Hoover Dam should be okay, not sure the NCR will be happy with visitors just poking around however.

  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    Looks like the Cons are still split with 300 odd on ready to compromise and 9 remain ultras holding out.

    These wets are a drag on progress.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 42,992
    OK thanks all for your suggestions - and now...to Vegas (and environs)!
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,163

    Scott_P said:
    And yet they keep saying that the UK must be clear what it wants...
    Yes, that refrain of theirs is bollocks. Still going to be a short no though.
  • Scott_P said:
    Yes, but Gove's maxim is the guiding principal of the new Utopia.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,257

    I think the Banter Timeline rules suggest that both the Cooper/Boles and Brady amendments will pass.

    Then the motion, as amended, fails.

    OK right.

    So a motion of - "We will ratify the WA if the B/Stop comes out, or otherwise on 26 Feb we will look to pass something that instructs the govt to ask the EU for an art 50 extension" - that motion - will then NOT be carried.

    But will not lose by much, right?
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,501
    kle4 said:

    Scott_P said:
    Their intransigence will lead to no deal, so does it really matter?
    Just when the Irish throughout we were beginning to get along with them we go and mess it up again.
    I could easily use stronger language about what England's doing to the Irish, but since I don't I won 't.
  • kle4 said:

    Scott_P said:
    And yet they keep saying that the UK must be clear what it wants...
    Yes, that refrain of theirs is bollocks. Still going to be a short no though.
    Yes, probably. Dunno what happens then, though.
  • ChrisChris Posts: 11,752
    kinabalu said:

    Chris said:

    The Cooper amendment would instruct the government to request an extension more than a month before the deadline. It's perhaps easier to imagine the EU refusing an early request like that than a last-minute one. They might say, "No, because nothing has been agreed yet. If you can agree a course of action in the next four weeks we'll view a request favourably."

    It does muddy the waters. I think TM wishes to create a definitive and final deal vs no deal choice for parliament. If that goes deal, she rules. If no deal, ok well not her fault, she tried, and she possibly carries on as PM and her party does not implode as it would with BINO or remain.

    Cooper seems to make this more difficult but is she bound to pass?
    I think what I'm saying is that the Cooper amendment might not make it much more difficult, because the request for an extension would be made so early. If the EU refused it, that would leave another month for minds to be concentrated. And perhaps they would then be more concentrated than if a request hadn't been made.

    It might tend to reduce the pressure on MPs over the coming month, but increase it over the following month.

    But who knows what's going to happen?
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    kle4 said:

    Scott_P said:
    And yet they keep saying that the UK must be clear what it wants...
    Yes, that refrain of theirs is bollocks. Still going to be a short no though.
    Hmm - if it's a no then the blame ball is in their court.

    "ooh those Brussels technocrats - they are so inflexible..."

    It's an upgraded scenario for May from 2 weeks ago..
  • stodgestodge Posts: 13,902

    Scott_P said:
    And yet they keep saying that the UK must be clear what it wants...
    If the EU are clear the WDA can't be re-negotiated, why are our MPs wasting time on amendments whose main purpose is to seek to renegotiate the WDA?

    I can only assume the Conservative Party will play the "anti-European" card when May is finally humiliated by the EU. The likes of Barnier, Juncker and Weygand will be subject to the usual personal and unpleasant slurs from the usual suspects.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 42,992
    edited January 2019
    oh sorry and one last point.

    The Brady amendment was always and is now a fantasy amendment. The EU has said time and again that they will not change the deal. I mean wasn't the last WA defeat supposed to have brought them snivelling to the table offering anything and everything that JRM wanted? How did that work out?

    That May has supported it, if she has, is a funnily enough surprising example of her being duplicitous, unless she knows/knew it had no future but it is still unlike her.
  • stodge said:

    Scott_P said:
    And yet they keep saying that the UK must be clear what it wants...
    If the EU are clear the WDA can't be re-negotiated, why are our MPs wasting time on amendments whose main purpose is to seek to renegotiate the WDA?...
    Dunno, you'd better ask Mr Corbyn that.
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    stodge said:

    Scott_P said:
    And yet they keep saying that the UK must be clear what it wants...
    If the EU are clear the WDA can't be re-negotiated,
    How can anyone square the "WDA being untouchable" with "tell us what you want".

    Nonsense on stilts from the EU.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,814
    King Cole, the UK*.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,501

    King Cole, the UK*.

    Agree about Scotland...... the Ulster Protestants, but Wales gave them St Patrick.
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    Also that remainers/EU HATE the Brady / Malthouse approach suggest that they see it as progress to Brexit happening.
  • TGOHF said:

    Looks like the Cons are still split with 300 odd on ready to compromise and 9 remain ultras holding out.

    These wets are a drag on progress.

    Is that statement meant to be ironic? The poster boy of the headbangers who got us into all this mess would drag us back into the 1950s and still believe that everything was still too "new-fangled"( you know who I mean; the one that looks like the bastard child of a union between Himmler and Walter the Softy).
  • SlackbladderSlackbladder Posts: 9,773
    Clarke making a huge amount of sense.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,676
    Letwin voting for Cooper
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