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Alastair points out Julius Caesar has a month named after him, that loser Hannibal doesn't.
Further proof that Caesar is magic, Hannibal is tragic.
Reminds me of something that came to mind yesterday, when I went to Choral Evensong at New College, Oxford.
There were nine-year olds singing Howells' fiendishly difficult Westminster Service. Flawlessly. Just after they'd sung the Matthew Martin responses and just before they sang an intricate bit of 15th century French polyphony. Today they'll sing an entirely different set of music, no doubt just as flawlessly. And so on every day of term.
I'll remember that next time some mouth-breather of a backbench Tory MP, perhaps one of the intellect of Andrew Bridgen or Nadine Dorries, argues fervently that 16-year olds don't have the smarts to be allowed a vote in the second referendum.
A simple solution for a better Britain.
(Back to filling the bath with Jam)
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Well clearly they are - or they wouldn't have fucked up by voting for 29th March to be exactly that - countenancing no deal as the default. And if they did realise afterwards that they had dropped a bollock, they could have remedied that by voting for May's Deal and pulling No Deal's life support.
As they have done neither, they are clearly willing to countenance No Deal. Just not have the balls to admit they are doing it and why - for party political advantage.
Extend the transition period until end-2022.
In the 18th and early 19th centuries the constitution was less formalised than it is now and confidence motions were completely different than they are now.
"I'm going to start really worrying about the Brexit can kicking when Philip Hammond announces during the Budget about the three new months being slotted in between January and March for "tax reasons".
I thought I’d clicked on the wrong site 😧
"It's the fifth of Mature Dating Online."
Great thread Alastair, a little levity for a Sunday evening.
just following on from what Casino Royal said at the end of the last thread. You have been unfailingly reasonable and decent throughout the debates of the last few weeks. You certainly have nothing to apologise for.
If I remember correctly, Andrea Leadsom has a Ph.D. in Quantum Physics and Temporal Engineering, so perhaps it could be done in-house.
Is it 11pm GMT or 11pm UK time?
Every hour helps surely?
Mr. Eagles, Barcelona is named after Hannibal's family, which conquered Spain for Carthage. Is there a comparable city for Caesar?
Edited extra bit: I'm aware, of course,of Caesarea Philippi[sp] from the Bible, but I'm thinking of large, successful, modern cities.
Hmm. I wonder how Alexandria's doing.
Thessalonica was named after Cassander's wife, and might be the most successful Macedonian-named city, after Alexandria.
1) May's Deal
2) No Deal
3) Renegotiate softer Brexit
4) Renegotiate harder Brexit
This seems a good starting point. Then there could be a second vote using the same format to select from up to 4 versions of the preferred option. Democratic and effective.
And I like the idea of re-engineering time itself very much. Difficult? Sure, but easier to do than Brexit.
One massive benefit that I can see immediately. Next time Michel Barnier tries to bully us with that sadistic 'the clock is ticking ... tick tock ... tick tock ..." routine of his, we just smirk and thumb our nose and go, "Oh no it isn't, pal, cos we Brits have just invented a new one that hardly moves. So frog off."
Progress? Not so much...
Currently the tax year ends on the 5 April. By taking 6 days away from January and March this would move the end of the tax year to 11 April (Thursday).
But a better idea would be to fix Easter Sunday on 14 April, and start the tax year on the same day.
Thanks for the laugh though, Alastair.
Blasphemy!
Ticking away the moments that make up a dull day
You fritter and waste the hours in an offhand way
Kicking around on a piece of ground in your home town
Waiting for someone or something to show you the way
Tired of lying in the sunshine
Staying home to watch the rain
You are young and life is long
And there is time to kill today
And then one day you find
TenTwo years have got behind youNo one told you when to run
You missed the starting gun
And you run and you run to catch up with the sun, but it's sinking
Racing around to come up behind you again
The sun is the same in a relative way but you're older
Shorter of breath
and one day closer to death
Good evening, everyone.
So this Government will do the square root of damn all about Brexit until about Spring Bank Holiday 2022!
Right, it's easy then. All Labour, SNP, LibDem, PC and Green MPs with the exception of Corbyn and a few acolytes defect to the Tory Party and force May to do something sensible then resign.
The following Tory leadership election should be fun.
He certainly has more intellect than the whole of ERG put together
Nor do they show much sign of urgency in determining what they would in practice countenance.
This bit was cutting though
Now it might be argued, perhaps by those who have advocated that Britain should go into union with Australia Canada and New Zealand or by those who have advocated that the vote should be removed from the over 75s, that this idea is far too eccentric to be worthy of further attention He's not sensible. Remaining might well be sensible after all this mess, but he is indulging in arcane trick after procedural wrangling - very clever wrangling too - to pursue his fanatical agenda with absolutely no thought as to wider consequences. If remaining is the sensible course now there are very simple ways to do it, in the first instance he could have tried to bring down the government, but instead he is indulging in procedural theatrics with potentially far reaching consequences, and the very fact he might insist they are only for now only emphasises that he is not thinking about anything other than his short term goals.
Grieve is intelligent and effective in pursuit of what many would regard as a noble goal. But that is not the same as him being sensible, and fanatical pursuit at all costs even of a noble goal is not sensible. He should not be able to get away with pretending that because he is erudite that he is any better than his ultra opposites on the other side, willing to risk everything if he does not get exactly what he wants, unwilling to accept anything less than perfection. He's no better than a no leave ultra (but he is more effective). He has a closed mind on anything except his ideals.
The leave ultras also believe it is essential for this country that they get exactly what they want and to hell with anyone who thinks otherwise. That childish attitude is displayed by Grieve as well. Ah, but because he's right that makes his acting like a child ok.
Agree. Given the degree of crisis we are in this simple truth is being woefully underestimated.
We need some big time courageous Labour abstentions next time around.
Parliament has voted to leave on March 29th.
Parliament having rejected May's deal, has voted for WTO deal by default.
The Government should now focus on negotiating side deals around a WTO deal.
When despair is at its peak, then the enormo-haddock will strike!
https://www.politicshome.com/news/uk/social-affairs/politics/news/68437/boris-johnson-vote-leave-get-better-eu-deal-britain
https://twitter.com/rolandmcs/status/1086899951735574528?s=21
We still have an unwritten constitution as now and political power in this country still lies in the Crown in Parliament ie the Crown implementing the will of Parliament, the PM is neither the Crown nor Parliament, merely a servant of the Crown
Remainer MPs have outplayed the leavers (who have split into self destruction) and the public is now so desperate for an outcome that while many will be furious at the cancellation of Brexit, opinion is now firmer behind Remain that was the case previously.
Yesterday's news that Caroline Flint and Lisa Nandy lead a substantial number of labour mps who will not accept a referendum, indeed it is possible that as many labour mps oppose a referendum as support one. In those circumstances a second referendum is not possible
https://twitter.com/electionmapsuk/status/1086674588535324673?s=21
Interesting to note that on the position descriptor wheel 'soft brexit' is further along the scale than the Labour position.