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    Foxy said:

    My reading of Corbyn is that he is a rigid dogmatist wedded to a simplistic caricature of leftwing thought. Despite life-long immersion in the LP's "left opposition" his politics is astonishingly naive even by the standards of that echo chamber. His current difficulties arise from a crude application of the tradition flowing from Lenin's work "Imperialism the highest stage of Capitalism" whereby the labour movement should oppose any war waged by a capitalist country, support anti-imperialist movements the colonies (even if not socialist) etc. All against the expectation of imminent world wide revolution.

    To Corbyn and his inner circle Israel is an ofshoot of Western Imperialism and must be opposed and Hamas etc are in the role of the pre-war independence movements. That is the root of the anti-semitism. That (in my opinion totally wrong) analysis then leads to supporting of, at least implicitly, Islamo-Fascist groups and not tackling anti-semitic views from some among the Moslem support that has moved to Labour. We can also add Corbyn's personal petulance when crossed and the cult carrying out two minutes of hate daily online.

    Yes, I wouldn't disagree with most of that, but it ignores his good points. His opposition to foreign wars is not all bad. Notably his opposition to the Iraq war. No parties position over Palestine is going to ingfluence my vote as it is not on my list of concerns.

    His domestic interest in righting the generational inequality that has risen over recent decades is also a major plus in my eyes.

    I am an LD though former Lab member. I cannot see myself shifting back for the forseeable, though would like to see a better leader than Vince.
    The Lib Dems need to start talking about other things than Brexit. Where have all the good ideas gone like raising the tax free allowance etc.
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,321
    England's catching continues to be less convincing than a Corbyn costing.
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    Good series win. Excellent test. Even my good lady has enjoyed it

    But we won't have the pineapple pizza, though pineapple on it's own is ok
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,321
    edited September 2018
    That's that. Poor old Moeen, missed out on a Tenfer.

    Edit - now, where is TSE going to livestream himself eating a Hawaiian?
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    ydoethur said:

    That's that. Poor old Moeen, missed out on a Tenfer.

    Edit - now, where is TSE going to livestream himself eating a Hawaiian?

    As a good Muslim boy I’m not allowed to eat a Hawaiian.

    I’ll go to my usual place in Manchester on Tuesday or Wednesday and have a veggie supreme with pineapple or chicken and pineapple.
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,321

    ydoethur said:

    That's that. Poor old Moeen, missed out on a Tenfer.

    Edit - now, where is TSE going to livestream himself eating a Hawaiian?

    As a good Muslim boy I’m not allowed to eat a Hawaiian.

    I’ll go to my usual place in Manchester on Tuesday or Wednesday and have a veggie supreme with pineapple or chicken and pineapple.
    A veggie supreme has chicken on it?
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,985
    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    That's that. Poor old Moeen, missed out on a Tenfer.

    Edit - now, where is TSE going to livestream himself eating a Hawaiian?

    As a good Muslim boy I’m not allowed to eat a Hawaiian.

    I’ll go to my usual place in Manchester on Tuesday or Wednesday and have a veggie supreme with pineapple or chicken and pineapple.
    A veggie supreme has chicken on it?
    That's what makes it supreme.
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,349
    That was a superb test match in what has been an excellent series. 2 flawed teams + English conditions+ the Dukes ball = an incredibly exciting series. In some ways it is disappointing that there will not be a decider.
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    JohnOJohnO Posts: 4,215

    ydoethur said:

    That's that. Poor old Moeen, missed out on a Tenfer.

    Edit - now, where is TSE going to livestream himself eating a Hawaiian?

    As a good Muslim boy I’m not allowed to eat a Hawaiian.

    I’ll go to my usual place in Manchester on Tuesday or Wednesday and have a veggie supreme with pineapple or chicken and pineapple.
    By delicious coincidence, my annual PB Tory summit with TSE takes place tomorrow....frantically searches the menu at The Champagne Bar at St Pancras (yes, nothing is too good for the working class....or its representatives) for the pizza choices. I shall take my camera.
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    This shall be a day long remembered.

    It has seen Morris Dancer get an F1 tip right; it shall soon see Screaming Eagles eat a pineapple pizza.
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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,927
    JohnO said:

    ydoethur said:

    That's that. Poor old Moeen, missed out on a Tenfer.

    Edit - now, where is TSE going to livestream himself eating a Hawaiian?

    As a good Muslim boy I’m not allowed to eat a Hawaiian.

    I’ll go to my usual place in Manchester on Tuesday or Wednesday and have a veggie supreme with pineapple or chicken and pineapple.
    By delicious coincidence, my annual PB Tory summit with TSE takes place tomorrow....frantically searches the menu at The Champagne Bar at St Pancras (yes, nothing is too good for the working class....or its representatives) for the pizza choices. I shall take my camera.
    :+1: Well done Sir!
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,285
    edited September 2018
    GOAL - Watford 2-1 Tottenham

    They don't call it Super Sunday for nothing ;-)
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    Foxy said:

    My reading of Corbyn is that he is a rigid dogmatist wedded to a simplistic caricature of leftwing thought. Despite life-long immersion in the LP's "left opposition" his politics is astonishingly naive even by the standards of that echo chamber. His current difficulties arise from a crude application of the tradition flowing from Lenin's work "Imperialism the highest stage of Capitalism" whereby the labour movement should oppose any war waged by a capitalist country, support anti-imperialist movements the colonies (even if not socialist) etc. All against the expectation of imminent world wide revolution.

    To Corbyn and his inner circle Israel is an ofshoot of Western Imperialism and must be opposed and Hamas etc are in the role of the pre-war independence movements. That is the root of the anti-semitism. That (in my opinion totally wrong) analysis then leads to supporting of, at least implicitly, Islamo-Fascist groups and not tackling anti-semitic views from some among the Moslem support that has moved to Labour. We can also add Corbyn's personal petulance when crossed and the cult carrying out two minutes of hate daily online.

    Yes, I wouldn't disagree with most of that, but it ignores his good points. His opposition to foreign wars is not all bad. Notably his opposition to the Iraq war. No parties position over Palestine is going to ingfluence my vote as it is not on my list of concerns.

    His domestic interest in righting the generational inequality that has risen over recent decades is also a major plus in my eyes.

    I am an LD though former Lab member. I cannot see myself shifting back for the forseeable, though would like to see a better leader than Vince.
    The Lib Dems need to start talking about other things than Brexit. Where have all the good ideas gone like raising the tax free allowance etc.
    Stephen Bush was saying in Newstatesman the other day that they have been working on loads of policy innovations and that has been one of the successes of Vince. The party is an "ideas factory" to quote.

    We don't know of course because the press rarely reported a policy development process, but I guess we will hear of some at conference.
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    The LibDem slogan of 'Demand Better' is not going to work though.

    As Bush points out, imagine doing your leader's speech with those words behind your head.
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    Another day in the kinder, gentler politics of Corbyn:

    https://twitter.com/TheRedRoar/status/1036282945940668416
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    JohnO said:

    ydoethur said:

    That's that. Poor old Moeen, missed out on a Tenfer.

    Edit - now, where is TSE going to livestream himself eating a Hawaiian?

    As a good Muslim boy I’m not allowed to eat a Hawaiian.

    I’ll go to my usual place in Manchester on Tuesday or Wednesday and have a veggie supreme with pineapple or chicken and pineapple.
    By delicious coincidence, my annual PB Tory summit with TSE takes place tomorrow....frantically searches the menu at The Champagne Bar at St Pancras (yes, nothing is too good for the working class....or its representatives) for the pizza choices. I shall take my camera.
    I don't think they serve pizza at Searcys at our working man's champagne bar.

    Phew.

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    https://twitter.com/jessphillips/status/1036230642088992769

    Takes a Brummy to point out the obvious point.
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    Harry Kane's an overrated donkey.

    Also Marcus Rashford's a dirty player.
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    FoxyFoxy Posts: 44,732
    edited September 2018

    ydoethur said:

    That's that. Poor old Moeen, missed out on a Tenfer.

    Edit - now, where is TSE going to livestream himself eating a Hawaiian?

    As a good Muslim boy I’m not allowed to eat a Hawaiian.

    I’ll go to my usual place in Manchester on Tuesday or Wednesday and have a veggie supreme with pineapple or chicken and pineapple.
    I think this is where you are going wrong. Pineapple has a sweet flavour that balances the saltiness of ham, and an acidic quality that cuts into fattiness, esterifying it into an aromatic treasure trove of pizza flavour. Pineapple on its own as a pizza flavour doesn't work

    Could I suggest pineapple and anchovy as a similar taste experience? Possibly bbq beef may work similarly, but not veg supreme or chicken.
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    O/T

    "A "cis man-free" festival is under way in Sweden, as a response to the sexual offences reported at events in 2017.
    The Statement music festival in Gothenburg says it is the world's first major music gathering for women, transgender and non-binary only.
    The idea was thought up by Swedish comedian Emma Knyckare after sexual offences at Sweden's biggest music festival Bravalla last year.
    "The whole area is free of cis-men," Ms Knyckare said."


    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-45372452
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,532
    edited September 2018
    Foxy said:

    ydoethur said:

    That's that. Poor old Moeen, missed out on a Tenfer.

    Edit - now, where is TSE going to livestream himself eating a Hawaiian?

    As a good Muslim boy I’m not allowed to eat a Hawaiian.

    I’ll go to my usual place in Manchester on Tuesday or Wednesday and have a veggie supreme with pineapple or chicken and pineapple.
    I think this is where you are going wrong. Pineapple has a sweet flavour that balances the saltiness of ham, and an acidic quality that cuts into fattiness, esterifying it into an aromatic treasure trove of pizza flavour. Pineapple on its own as a pizza flavour doesn't work

    Could I suggest pineapple and anchovy as a similar taste experience? Possibly bbq beef may work similarly, but not veg supreme or chicken.
    I love anchovies, they are my favourite pizza topping.
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    https://twitter.com/jessphillips/status/1036230642088992769

    Takes a Brummy to point out the obvious point.

    Blimey. I think I might approve of something Jess Phillips has said. There is a first for everything.
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    https://twitter.com/jessphillips/status/1036230642088992769

    Takes a Brummy to point out the obvious point.

    Blimey. I think I might approve of something Jess Phillips has said. There is a first for everything.
    Follows me agreeing 100% with Gordon Brown today
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,285
    edited September 2018

    https://twitter.com/jessphillips/status/1036230642088992769

    Takes a Brummy to point out the obvious point.

    Blimey. I think I might approve of something Jess Phillips has said. There is a first for everything.
    My only issue with that statement is talking about retaliation. We know that in that case of Palestine it normally results in firing rockets indiscriminately at Israeli civilians, which should not be encouraged or excused.
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    AndyJS said:

    O/T

    "A "cis man-free" festival is under way in Sweden, as a response to the sexual offences reported at events in 2017.
    The Statement music festival in Gothenburg says it is the world's first major music gathering for women, transgender and non-binary only.
    The idea was thought up by Swedish comedian Emma Knyckare after sexual offences at Sweden's biggest music festival Bravalla last year.
    "The whole area is free of cis-men," Ms Knyckare said."


    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-45372452

    Because women, transgender and non-binary individuals are absolutely incapable of committing sexual offences.

    I don't think Knyckare has really thought about this at all.
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    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 50,131

    Margaret Hodge giving Jezza both barrels....

    'I called him an anti-Semitic racist in July and everything that has happened since then has confirmed my view that I was right.

    'Particularly that video of him speaking at the 2013 conference.

    'That was terrible - separating out Jews, we were different. We weren't English. We weren't British.'

    FAKE NEWS He never mentioned Jews
    I love Corbyn's Super-power - the ability to sort Zionists from Jews. At a glance.

    As for your shilling for him? lololololololol!
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    https://twitter.com/jessphillips/status/1036230642088992769

    Takes a Brummy to point out the obvious point.

    Blimey. I think I might approve of something Jess Phillips has said. There is a first for everything.
    My only issue with that statement is talking about retaliation. We know that in that case of Palestine it normally results in firing rockets indiscriminately at Israeli civilians.
    I don't agree with her. But I do approve of her saying what she has. It points out the bigotry at the heart of the Corbyn position on this perfectly.
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    Andy_CookeAndy_Cooke Posts: 4,818

    Foxy said:

    My reading of Corbyn is that he is a rigid dogmatist wedded to a simplistic caricature of leftwing thought. Despite life-long immersion in the LP's "left opposition" his politics is astonishingly naive even by the standards of that echo chamber. His current difficulties arise from a crude application of the tradition flowing from Lenin's work "Imperialism the highest stage of Capitalism" whereby the labour movement should oppose any war waged by a capitalist country, support anti-imperialist movements the colonies (even if not socialist) etc. All against the expectation of imminent world wide revolution.

    To Corbyn and his inner circle Israel is an ofshoot of Western Imperialism and must be opposed and Hamas etc are in the role of the pre-war independence movements. That is the root of the anti-semitism. That (in my opinion totally wrong) analysis then leads to supporting of, at least implicitly, Islamo-Fascist groups and not tackling anti-semitic views from some among the Moslem support that has moved to Labour. We can also add Corbyn's personal petulance when crossed and the cult carrying out two minutes of hate daily online.

    Yes, I wouldn't disagree with most of that, but it ignores his good points. His opposition to foreign wars is not all bad. Notably his opposition to the Iraq war. No parties position over Palestine is going to ingfluence my vote as it is not on my list of concerns.

    His domestic interest in righting the generational inequality that has risen over recent decades is also a major plus in my eyes.

    I am an LD though former Lab member. I cannot see myself shifting back for the forseeable, though would like to see a better leader than Vince.
    The Lib Dems need to start talking about other things than Brexit. Where have all the good ideas gone like raising the tax free allowance etc.
    To be fair, when they do, it tends to get completely ignored.
    The housing proposals look pretty sound, but made the papers for one day.
    The land tax thing has met silence.
    I only noticed those because I was actively looking at things of high interest to me and they're from this summer alone.
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    FoxyFoxy Posts: 44,732

    Harry Kane's an overrated donkey.

    Also Marcus Rashford's a dirty player.

    Good gritty win for Man U at fellow strugglers Burnley :)

    I am happy with what Puel is up to at Leicester with his youth policy, though they will make mistakes. Ghezzal is one to watch, like Mahrez but a more physical player, and also more of a team player. I think that our owners did good business this summer. Ricardo, Maddison and Ghezzal with change left over from selling Mahrez. Hope to see our new Centrebacks in for Morgan after the break.
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    FoxyFoxy Posts: 44,732

    Foxy said:

    My reading of Corbyn is that he is a rigid dogmatist wedded to a simplistic caricature of leftwing thought. Despite life-long immersion in the LP's "left opposition" his politics is astonishingly naive even by the standards of that echo chamber. His current difficulties arise from a crude application of the tradition flowing from Lenin's work "Imperialism the highest stage of Capitalism" whereby the labour movement should oppose any war waged by a capitalist country, support anti-imperialist movements the colonies (even if not socialist) etc. All against the expectation of imminent world wide revolution.

    To Corbyn and his inner circle Israel is an ofshoot of Western Imperialism and must be opposed and Hamas etc are in the role of the pre-war independence movements. That is the root of the anti-semitism. That (in my opinion totally wrong) analysis then leads to supporting of, at least implicitly, Islamo-Fascist groups and not tackling anti-semitic views from some among the Moslem support that has moved to Labour. We can also add Corbyn's personal petulance when crossed and the cult carrying out two minutes of hate daily online.

    Yes, I wouldn't disagree with most of that, but it ignores his good points. His opposition to foreign wars is not all bad. Notably his opposition to the Iraq war. No parties position over Palestine is going to ingfluence my vote as it is not on my list of concerns.

    His domestic interest in righting the generational inequality that has risen over recent decades is also a major plus in my eyes.

    I am an LD though former Lab member. I cannot see myself shifting back for the forseeable, though would like to see a better leader than Vince.
    The Lib Dems need to start talking about other things than Brexit. Where have all the good ideas gone like raising the tax free allowance etc.
    To be fair, when they do, it tends to get completely ignored.
    The housing proposals look pretty sound, but made the papers for one day.
    The land tax thing has met silence.
    I only noticed those because I was actively looking at things of high interest to me and they're from this summer alone.
    There is the low profile issue, but Brexit will dominate the next months. Best keep the powder dry on the other stuff until the shape of Brexit is defined. Need to do the ground work though.
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    The LibDem slogan of 'Demand Better' is not going to work though.

    As Bush points out, imagine doing your leader's speech with those words behind your head.


    The BBC comedy programme W1A had a lead character who playey Head of Better at the BBC as a spoof.

    Life immitating fiction.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,954

    Harry Kane's an overrated donkey.

    Also Marcus Rashford's a dirty player.

    Just seen the replay, can't work out why Bardsley didn't get a red too.
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    BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 31,728

    Foxy said:

    ydoethur said:

    That's that. Poor old Moeen, missed out on a Tenfer.

    Edit - now, where is TSE going to livestream himself eating a Hawaiian?

    As a good Muslim boy I’m not allowed to eat a Hawaiian.

    I’ll go to my usual place in Manchester on Tuesday or Wednesday and have a veggie supreme with pineapple or chicken and pineapple.
    I think this is where you are going wrong. Pineapple has a sweet flavour that balances the saltiness of ham, and an acidic quality that cuts into fattiness, esterifying it into an aromatic treasure trove of pizza flavour. Pineapple on its own as a pizza flavour doesn't work

    Could I suggest pineapple and anchovy as a similar taste experience? Possibly bbq beef may work similarly, but not veg supreme or chicken.
    I love anchovies, they are my favourite pizza topping.
    Bloody hell! That's another thing I totally agree with you on - I'm getting seriously worried.
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    ydoethur said:

    That's that. Poor old Moeen, missed out on a Tenfer.

    Edit - now, where is TSE going to livestream himself eating a Hawaiian?

    As a good Muslim boy ...
    You mean you've got four wives???
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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,927

    The LibDem slogan of 'Demand Better' is not going to work though.

    As Bush points out, imagine doing your leader's speech with those words behind your head.


    The BBC comedy programme W1A had a lead character who playey Head of Better at the BBC as a spoof.

    Life immitating fiction.
    The nation’s comedians are going to have a field day with pictures of Old Uncle Vince standing behind a podium with “Demand Better” written on it.
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    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 50,131

    Foxy said:

    ydoethur said:

    That's that. Poor old Moeen, missed out on a Tenfer.

    Edit - now, where is TSE going to livestream himself eating a Hawaiian?

    As a good Muslim boy I’m not allowed to eat a Hawaiian.

    I’ll go to my usual place in Manchester on Tuesday or Wednesday and have a veggie supreme with pineapple or chicken and pineapple.
    I think this is where you are going wrong. Pineapple has a sweet flavour that balances the saltiness of ham, and an acidic quality that cuts into fattiness, esterifying it into an aromatic treasure trove of pizza flavour. Pineapple on its own as a pizza flavour doesn't work

    Could I suggest pineapple and anchovy as a similar taste experience? Possibly bbq beef may work similarly, but not veg supreme or chicken.
    I love anchovies, they are my favourite pizza topping.
    Bloody hell! That's another thing I totally agree with you on - I'm getting seriously worried.
    Get a room....
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    oxfordsimonoxfordsimon Posts: 5,831
    edited September 2018
    Labour will never sort themselves out whilst people like Webbe hold positions of authority.

    https://twitter.com/londonette/status/1036235875762536450

    https://twitter.com/stephenpollard/status/1036289781649629185
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    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 50,131

    The LibDem slogan of 'Demand Better' is not going to work though.

    As Bush points out, imagine doing your leader's speech with those words behind your head.


    The BBC comedy programme W1A had a lead character who playey Head of Better at the BBC as a spoof.

    Life immitating fiction.
    The speech will be reported as "I Can't Believe It's Not Better"......
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    Labour will never sort themselves out whilst people like Webbe hold positions of authority.

    https://twitter.com/londonette/status/1036235875762536450

    https://twitter.com/stephenpollard/status/1036289781649629185

    Webbe wrote in defence of Livingstone when, on 24 February 2006, he was found guilty by the Standards Board for England's Adjudication Panel of bringing his office into disrepute and suspended from office for four weeks, due to his comparison of a Jewish Evening Standard reporter to a Nazi concentration camp guard.
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    The LibDem slogan of 'Demand Better' is not going to work though.

    As Bush points out, imagine doing your leader's speech with those words behind your head.


    The BBC comedy programme W1A had a lead character who playey Head of Better at the BBC as a spoof.

    Life immitating fiction.
    Such a shame we won't be getting more of W1A - it was so brilliantly done.
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    Labour will never sort themselves out whilst people like Webbe hold positions of authority.

    https://twitter.com/londonette/status/1036235875762536450

    https://twitter.com/stephenpollard/status/1036289781649629185

    Webbe wrote in defence of Livingstone when, on 24 February 2006, he was found guilty by the Standards Board for England's Adjudication Panel of bringing his office into disrepute and suspended from office for four weeks, due to his comparison of a Jewish Evening Standard reporter to a Nazi concentration camp guard.
    She is unfit for the position she holds. Thus she is safe with Corbyn in charge.
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    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,362
    edited September 2018
    Sandpit said:

    The LibDem slogan of 'Demand Better' is not going to work though.

    As Bush points out, imagine doing your leader's speech with those words behind your head.


    The BBC comedy programme W1A had a lead character who playey Head of Better at the BBC as a spoof.

    Life immitating fiction.
    The nation’s comedians are going to have a field day with pictures of Old Uncle Vince standing behind a podium with “Demand Better” written on it.
    It's rip-off of SKY!

    "Believe in Better!"

    image
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    OmniumOmnium Posts: 9,796

    Labour will never sort themselves out whilst people like Webbe hold positions of authority.

    https://twitter.com/londonette/status/1036235875762536450

    https://twitter.com/stephenpollard/status/1036289781649629185

    Webbe wrote in defence of Livingstone when, on 24 February 2006, he was found guilty by the Standards Board for England's Adjudication Panel of bringing his office into disrepute and suspended from office for four weeks, due to his comparison of a Jewish Evening Standard reporter to a Nazi concentration camp guard.
    She is unfit for the position she holds. Thus she is safe with Corbyn in charge.
    Unfit for quite a lot more. She's pretty awful too.
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    JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 39,056
    edited September 2018
    Sandpit said:

    The LibDem slogan of 'Demand Better' is not going to work though.

    As Bush points out, imagine doing your leader's speech with those words behind your head.


    The BBC comedy programme W1A had a lead character who playey Head of Better at the BBC as a spoof.

    Life immitating fiction.
    The nation’s comedians are going to have a field day with pictures of Old Uncle Vince standing behind a podium with “Demand Better” written on it.
    "Better" is, by itself, a fairly meaningless word.

    Twenty-five years ago NASA admin Dan Goldin introduced the phrase: "Faster, cheaper, better" culture into the heart of NASA. Projects would be delivered faster, for less, and be 'better'.

    It was an unmitigated disaster, with events like the Mars Climate Orbiter and Mars Polar Lander slamming into Mars in 1999 being blamed partly on the culture.

    'Faster' can be metricised: do what you would have done faster.
    'Cheaper' can be metricised: do what you would have done for less.
    But 'better' cannot: how do you measure 'better'? It is essentially meaningless for anything other than a very narrow and well-defined situations.

    So what does 'Demand better' actually mean? Fuck knows.
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,285
    edited September 2018
    How horrific....its barbaric....disruptive kids made to sit quietly and do work, whatever next. Its hardly the cane is it. Nor is this new, I remember seeing several years ago on that Educating (insert county) on CH4 that featured schools seemed to have this system.

    When in the booths, children are not allowed to “tap, chew, swing on their chairs, shout out, sigh, or any other unacceptable or disruptive behaviour”.

    https://www.theguardian.com/education/2018/sep/02/barbaric-school-punishment-of-consequence-rooms-criticised-by-parents
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    Omnium said:

    Labour will never sort themselves out whilst people like Webbe hold positions of authority.

    https://twitter.com/londonette/status/1036235875762536450

    https://twitter.com/stephenpollard/status/1036289781649629185

    Webbe wrote in defence of Livingstone when, on 24 February 2006, he was found guilty by the Standards Board for England's Adjudication Panel of bringing his office into disrepute and suspended from office for four weeks, due to his comparison of a Jewish Evening Standard reporter to a Nazi concentration camp guard.
    She is unfit for the position she holds. Thus she is safe with Corbyn in charge.
    Unfit for quite a lot more. She's pretty awful too.
    Hard to disagree with that.
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    How horrific....its barbaric....disruptive kids made to sit quietly and do work, whatever next. Its hardly the cane is it.

    When in the booths, children are not allowed to “tap, chew, swing on their chairs, shout out, sigh, or any other unacceptable or disruptive behaviour”.

    https://www.theguardian.com/education/2018/sep/02/barbaric-school-punishment-of-consequence-rooms-criticised-by-parents

    If only their parents had actually done some parenting, the children wouldn't need corrective measures in school.

    I do get frustrated when everything is the fault of the schools - it is as if parents have no role in the upbringing of their own offspring.

    Being forced to sit still and in silence is not barbaric in the slightest.
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,285
    edited September 2018

    How horrific....its barbaric....disruptive kids made to sit quietly and do work, whatever next. Its hardly the cane is it.

    When in the booths, children are not allowed to “tap, chew, swing on their chairs, shout out, sigh, or any other unacceptable or disruptive behaviour”.

    https://www.theguardian.com/education/2018/sep/02/barbaric-school-punishment-of-consequence-rooms-criticised-by-parents

    If only their parents had actually done some parenting, the children wouldn't need corrective measures in school.

    I do get frustrated when everything is the fault of the schools - it is as if parents have no role in the upbringing of their own offspring.

    Being forced to sit still and in silence is not barbaric in the slightest.
    When I was a school most lessons included significant periods where one was asked to complete work in silence, with the expectation that one wouldn't be "swinging on chairs" like a baby chimp. And I didn't attend school in the dark ages.

    I was clearly abused in a barbaric system, I just didn't know it.
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    OmniumOmnium Posts: 9,796

    Sandpit said:

    The LibDem slogan of 'Demand Better' is not going to work though.

    As Bush points out, imagine doing your leader's speech with those words behind your head.


    The BBC comedy programme W1A had a lead character who playey Head of Better at the BBC as a spoof.

    Life immitating fiction.
    The nation’s comedians are going to have a field day with pictures of Old Uncle Vince standing behind a podium with “Demand Better” written on it.
    "Better" is, by itself, a fairly meaningless word.

    'Faster' can be metricised: do what you would have done faster.
    'Cheaper' can be metricised: do what you would have done for less.
    But 'better' cannot: how do you measure 'better'? It is essentially meaningless for anything other than a very narrow and well-defined situations.

    Twenty-five years ago NASA admin Dan Goldin introduced the phrase: "Faster, cheaper, better" culture into the heart of NASA. Projects would be delivered faster, for less, and be 'better'.

    It was an unmitigated disaster, with events like the Mars Climate Orbiter and Mars Polar Lander slamming into Mars in 1999 being blamed partly on the culture.

    'Faster' can be metricised: do what you would have done faster.
    'Cheaper' can be metricised: do what you would have done for less.
    But 'better' cannot: how do you measure 'better'? It is essentially meaningless for anything other than a very narrow and well-defined situations.
    'Better' is subjective - your 'better' might not be my 'better' However a lot of the time the word is used in a non-subjective way - ' a better inflation rate'

    (You could define 'better' in a game-theory sense, but that just proves it's observer-dependent. And a simple corollary is that Corbyn's an ass.)

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    How horrific....its barbaric....disruptive kids made to sit quietly and do work, whatever next. Its hardly the cane is it.

    When in the booths, children are not allowed to “tap, chew, swing on their chairs, shout out, sigh, or any other unacceptable or disruptive behaviour”.

    https://www.theguardian.com/education/2018/sep/02/barbaric-school-punishment-of-consequence-rooms-criticised-by-parents

    If only their parents had actually done some parenting, the children wouldn't need corrective measures in school.

    I do get frustrated when everything is the fault of the schools - it is as if parents have no role in the upbringing of their own offspring.

    Being forced to sit still and in silence is not barbaric in the slightest.
    When I was a school most lessons included significant periods where one was asked to complete work in silence, with the expectation that one wouldn't be "swinging on chairs" like a baby chimp. And I didn't attend school in the dark ages.

    I was clearly abused in a barbaric system, I just didn't know it.
    My nephew and niece attended a primary school where they could sit on beanbags or sofas rather than at desks.

    How are kids who experience stuff like that going to cope in the real world where they have to sit at desks and do work?

    Education is about learning - but it is also about preparing for life.

    The culture has shifted too far in education. No wonder we have such a demanding younger generation where the idea that they might have to take some responsibility for their own actions is completely alien to many.
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    How horrific....its barbaric....disruptive kids made to sit quietly and do work, whatever next. Its hardly the cane is it.

    When in the booths, children are not allowed to “tap, chew, swing on their chairs, shout out, sigh, or any other unacceptable or disruptive behaviour”.

    https://www.theguardian.com/education/2018/sep/02/barbaric-school-punishment-of-consequence-rooms-criticised-by-parents

    If only their parents had actually done some parenting, the children wouldn't need corrective measures in school.

    I do get frustrated when everything is the fault of the schools - it is as if parents have no role in the upbringing of their own offspring.

    Being forced to sit still and in silence is not barbaric in the slightest.
    When I was a school most lessons included significant periods where one was asked to complete work in silence, with the expectation that one wouldn't be "swinging on chairs" like a baby chimp. And I didn't attend school in the dark ages.

    I was clearly abused in a barbaric system, I just didn't know it.
    My nephew and niece attended a primary school where they could sit on beanbags or sofas rather than at desks.

    Well to be fair, they will be ok as long as they go and work for a Silicon Valley start up or the BBC ;-)
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    How horrific....its barbaric....disruptive kids made to sit quietly and do work, whatever next. Its hardly the cane is it.

    When in the booths, children are not allowed to “tap, chew, swing on their chairs, shout out, sigh, or any other unacceptable or disruptive behaviour”.

    https://www.theguardian.com/education/2018/sep/02/barbaric-school-punishment-of-consequence-rooms-criticised-by-parents

    If only their parents had actually done some parenting, the children wouldn't need corrective measures in school.

    I do get frustrated when everything is the fault of the schools - it is as if parents have no role in the upbringing of their own offspring.

    Being forced to sit still and in silence is not barbaric in the slightest.
    When I was a school most lessons included significant periods where one was asked to complete work in silence, with the expectation that one wouldn't be "swinging on chairs" like a baby chimp. And I didn't attend school in the dark ages.

    I was clearly abused in a barbaric system, I just didn't know it.
    My nephew and niece attended a primary school where they could sit on beanbags or sofas rather than at desks.

    Well to be fair, they will be ok as long as they go and work for a Silicon Valley start up or the BBC ;-)
    One of them is doing a sports coaching degree and the other about to start a film production course. So I don't think they will be entering a bean-bag workplace
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    jayfdeejayfdee Posts: 618

    Sandpit said:

    The LibDem slogan of 'Demand Better' is not going to work though.

    As Bush points out, imagine doing your leader's speech with those words behind your head.


    The BBC comedy programme W1A had a lead character who playey Head of Better at the BBC as a spoof.

    Life immitating fiction.
    The nation’s comedians are going to have a field day with pictures of Old Uncle Vince standing behind a podium with “Demand Better” written on it.
    "Better" is, by itself, a fairly meaningless word.

    Twenty-five years ago NASA admin Dan Goldin introduced the phrase: "Faster, cheaper, better" culture into the heart of NASA. Projects would be delivered faster, for less, and be 'better'.

    It was an unmitigated disaster, with events like the Mars Climate Orbiter and Mars Polar Lander slamming into Mars in 1999 being blamed partly on the culture.

    'Faster' can be metricised: do what you would have done faster.
    'Cheaper' can be metricised: do what you would have done for less.
    But 'better' cannot: how do you measure 'better'? It is essentially meaningless for anything other than a very narrow and well-defined situations.

    So what does 'Demand better' actually mean? Fuck knows.
    Elon Musk seems to have mastered "Faster cheaper better", maybe it was just NASA. To be fair Elon was down to his last failed cheapo launch before he got it right. The explosion during the fueling episode should not have happened, NASA would have got that one right.
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,285
    edited September 2018
    No more Mondeo man....

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2018/09/02/ford-ditch-mondeo-scrap-thousands-jobs-cost-cutting-overhaul/

    My understanding (and I am no expert on the car industry) is that Ford is basically kept afloat by the F-150 truck.
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    TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 40,225
    edited September 2018
    Frankie Field won't be popping in I guess.

    https://twitter.com/Holbornlolz/status/1036282361254690817
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,285
    edited September 2018

    Frankie Field won't be popping in I guess.

    twitter.com/Holbornlolz/status/1036282361254690817

    Over / under on the number of mentions of Hitler?
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    A South African trade union with mainly white members is to begin strikes at a petrochemical firm over a share scheme available only to black workers, which it says is "blatant discrimination".

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-45388661
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,349

    How horrific....its barbaric....disruptive kids made to sit quietly and do work, whatever next. Its hardly the cane is it.

    When in the booths, children are not allowed to “tap, chew, swing on their chairs, shout out, sigh, or any other unacceptable or disruptive behaviour”.

    https://www.theguardian.com/education/2018/sep/02/barbaric-school-punishment-of-consequence-rooms-criticised-by-parents

    If only their parents had actually done some parenting, the children wouldn't need corrective measures in school.

    I do get frustrated when everything is the fault of the schools - it is as if parents have no role in the upbringing of their own offspring.

    Being forced to sit still and in silence is not barbaric in the slightest.
    Certainly sounds an effective way of excluding children with ADHD.
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    A South African trade union with mainly white members is to begin strikes at a petrochemical firm over a share scheme available only to black workers, which it says is "blatant discrimination".

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-45388661

    Now hang on, Francis - only white people can be racist!
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    Margaret Hodge has effectively suggested the only way Labour’s difficulties over antisemitism would come to an end would be if Jeremy Corbyn were no longer the leader of the party.

    In an incendiary interview at the Jewish Labour Movement conference on Sunday, the long-serving backbench MP said she would “stand and fight” in the Labour party and it would no longer be enough for the ruling national executive committee to adopt in full the International Holocaust Remembrance Alliance’s definition of antisemitism at a crunch meeting this week.

    https://www.theguardian.com/news/2018/sep/02/margaret-hodge-jeremy-corbyn-problem-labour-antisemitism-crisis
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    jayfdee said:

    Sandpit said:

    The LibDem slogan of 'Demand Better' is not going to work though.

    As Bush points out, imagine doing your leader's speech with those words behind your head.


    The BBC comedy programme W1A had a lead character who playey Head of Better at the BBC as a spoof.

    Life immitating fiction.
    The nation’s comedians are going to have a field day with pictures of Old Uncle Vince standing behind a podium with “Demand Better” written on it.
    "Better" is, by itself, a fairly meaningless word.

    Twenty-five years ago NASA admin Dan Goldin introduced the phrase: "Faster, cheaper, better" culture into the heart of NASA. Projects would be delivered faster, for less, and be 'better'.

    It was an unmitigated disaster, with events like the Mars Climate Orbiter and Mars Polar Lander slamming into Mars in 1999 being blamed partly on the culture.

    'Faster' can be metricised: do what you would have done faster.
    'Cheaper' can be metricised: do what you would have done for less.
    But 'better' cannot: how do you measure 'better'? It is essentially meaningless for anything other than a very narrow and well-defined situations.

    So what does 'Demand better' actually mean? Fuck knows.
    Elon Musk seems to have mastered "Faster cheaper better", maybe it was just NASA. To be fair Elon was down to his last failed cheapo launch before he got it right. The explosion during the fueling episode should not have happened, NASA would have got that one right.
    The problem is having it as a mantra: Musk does faster and cheaper; 'better' just drops out the other end. ;)

    The Amos-6 explosion (two years ago yesterday) probably wouldn't have happened with NASA - SpaceX were being very aggressive with their combination of materials and low-temperature cryogenic fuels. NASA wouldn't even have attempted to have those sorts of tanks in that environment without a massive amount of testing and research. SpaceX just did it - and mostly that works for them. In this it didn't (and it's still not fixed).

    In fact that's probably SpaceX's mantra: "Just do it!"

    The CRS-7 explosion in-flight the previous year is an interesting one. SpaceX blamed their supplier of a strut, and essentially threw them to the wolves. The later NASA report essentially exonerated the supplier and blamed SpaceX for using incorrect materials against the suppliers advice (afaicr).
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    jayfdee said:

    Sandpit said:

    The LibDem slogan of 'Demand Better' is not going to work though.

    As Bush points out, imagine doing your leader's speech with those words behind your head.


    The BBC comedy programme W1A had a lead character who playey Head of Better at the BBC as a spoof.

    Life immitating fiction.
    The nation’s comedians are going to have a field day with pictures of Old Uncle Vince standing behind a podium with “Demand Better” written on it.
    "Better" is, by itself, a fairly meaningless word.

    Twenty-five years ago NASA admin Dan Goldin introduced the phrase: "Faster, cheaper, better" culture into the heart of NASA. Projects would be delivered faster, for less, and be 'better'.

    It was an unmitigated disaster, with events like the Mars Climate Orbiter and Mars Polar Lander slamming into Mars in 1999 being blamed partly on the culture.

    'Faster' can be metricised: do what you would have done faster.
    'Cheaper' can be metricised: do what you would have done for less.
    But 'better' cannot: how do you measure 'better'? It is essentially meaningless for anything other than a very narrow and well-defined situations.

    So what does 'Demand better' actually mean? Fuck knows.
    Elon Musk seems to have mastered "Faster cheaper better", maybe it was just NASA. To be fair Elon was down to his last failed cheapo launch before he got it right. The explosion during the fueling episode should not have happened, NASA would have got that one right.
    The problem is having it as a mantra: Musk does faster and cheaper; 'better' just drops out the other end. ;)

    The Amos-6 explosion (two years ago yesterday) probably wouldn't have happened with NASA - SpaceX were being very aggressive with their combination of materials and low-temperature cryogenic fuels. NASA wouldn't even have attempted to have those sorts of tanks in that environment without a massive amount of testing and research. SpaceX just did it - and mostly that works for them. In this it didn't (and it's still not fixed).

    In fact that's probably SpaceX's mantra: "Just do it!"

    The CRS-7 explosion in-flight the previous year is an interesting one. SpaceX blamed their supplier of a strut, and essentially threw them to the wolves. The later NASA report essentially exonerated the supplier and blamed SpaceX for using incorrect materials against the suppliers advice (afaicr).
    Also its only cheaper if he doesn't get sued for calling people paedos....
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,349

    No more Mondeo man....

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2018/09/02/ford-ditch-mondeo-scrap-thousands-jobs-cost-cutting-overhaul/

    My understanding (and I am no expert on the car industry) is that Ford is basically kept afloat by the F-150 truck.

    I can't remember if it was one of Robert's videos or elsewhere but I saw recently that their Deerhorn plant once employed 100,000 people to make 700,000 cars/trucks and now employs 6,000 to make 1,000,000. So productivity has risen from 7 cars per worker per year to 167. Needless to say the educational qualification level of those that are left is somewhat higher than it was before too. It's a challenge.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,954
    jayfdee said:

    Sandpit said:

    The LibDem slogan of 'Demand Better' is not going to work though.

    As Bush points out, imagine doing your leader's speech with those words behind your head.


    The BBC comedy programme W1A had a lead character who playey Head of Better at the BBC as a spoof.

    Life immitating fiction.
    The nation’s comedians are going to have a field day with pictures of Old Uncle Vince standing behind a podium with “Demand Better” written on it.
    "Better" is, by itself, a fairly meaningless word.

    Twenty-five years ago NASA admin Dan Goldin introduced the phrase: "Faster, cheaper, better" culture into the heart of NASA. Projects would be delivered faster, for less, and be 'better'.

    It was an unmitigated disaster, with events like the Mars Climate Orbiter and Mars Polar Lander slamming into Mars in 1999 being blamed partly on the culture.

    'Faster' can be metricised: do what you would have done faster.
    'Cheaper' can be metricised: do what you would have done for less.
    But 'better' cannot: how do you measure 'better'? It is essentially meaningless for anything other than a very narrow and well-defined situations.

    So what does 'Demand better' actually mean? Fuck knows.
    Elon Musk seems to have mastered "Faster cheaper better", maybe it was just NASA. To be fair Elon was down to his last failed cheapo launch before he got it right. The explosion during the fueling episode should not have happened, NASA would have got that one right.
    This is the same NASA that lost two shuttles right ?
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,349
    edited September 2018

    Frankie Field won't be popping in I guess.

    twitter.com/Holbornlolz/status/1036282361254690817

    Over / under on the number of mentions of Hitler?
    You know another man that used to speak to admirers in Beer Halls?
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,285
    edited September 2018
    DavidL said:

    No more Mondeo man....

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2018/09/02/ford-ditch-mondeo-scrap-thousands-jobs-cost-cutting-overhaul/

    My understanding (and I am no expert on the car industry) is that Ford is basically kept afloat by the F-150 truck.

    I can't remember if it was one of Robert's videos or elsewhere but I saw recently that their Deerhorn plant once employed 100,000 people to make 700,000 cars/trucks and now employs 6,000 to make 1,000,000. So productivity has risen from 7 cars per worker per year to 167. Needless to say the educational qualification level of those that are left is somewhat higher than it was before too. It's a challenge.
    I believe that is true across manufacturing across the US. Trump's claims about all the jobs going to vvvChina isn't exactly true. If I remember correctly, the USA makes more stuff, but using way way less people to do so.

    With AI (or rather Machine Learning), the next group is going to be middle class paper pushers. It requires some serious thinking about how to deal with this, but in the US like the UK, we seem to have piss poor politicians who either want to ignore it or try and implement a flawed ideology.
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,349

    DavidL said:

    No more Mondeo man....

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2018/09/02/ford-ditch-mondeo-scrap-thousands-jobs-cost-cutting-overhaul/

    My understanding (and I am no expert on the car industry) is that Ford is basically kept afloat by the F-150 truck.

    I can't remember if it was one of Robert's videos or elsewhere but I saw recently that their Deerhorn plant once employed 100,000 people to make 700,000 cars/trucks and now employs 6,000 to make 1,000,000. So productivity has risen from 7 cars per worker per year to 167. Needless to say the educational qualification level of those that are left is somewhat higher than it was before too. It's a challenge.
    I believe that is true across manufacturing across the US. Trump's claims about all the jobs going to vvvChina isn't exactly true. If I remember correctly, the USA makes more stuff, but using way way less people to do so.
    And it's not just there. Services has grown as an employer in part because there is a hell of a lot more people available to employ.
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    ralphmalphralphmalph Posts: 2,201
    DavidL said:

    No more Mondeo man....

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2018/09/02/ford-ditch-mondeo-scrap-thousands-jobs-cost-cutting-overhaul/

    My understanding (and I am no expert on the car industry) is that Ford is basically kept afloat by the F-150 truck.

    I can't remember if it was one of Robert's videos or elsewhere but I saw recently that their Deerhorn plant once employed 100,000 people to make 700,000 cars/trucks and now employs 6,000 to make 1,000,000. So productivity has risen from 7 cars per worker per year to 167. Needless to say the educational qualification level of those that are left is somewhat higher than it was before too. It's a challenge.
    But this is because the car companies now out source a lot of manufacturing from those days. So now drivetrains, gearboxes, seats, ICE, etc is all outsourced. All that some car companies make are engines and some not even that. So the employment in the wholes supply chain needs to be considered. It is reduced, but not by just using the employees in the factory.
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    Also its only cheaper if he doesn't get sued for calling people paedos....

    The funny thing about the recent reignition of that story is that Musk claimed that as the man hadn't sued him, the accusation must be true.

    Not only is that a rather bizarre thing to claim (although lawyers must love it for several reasons) - it's also apparently false - the man was suing him. So Musk was either lying or he didn't know he was being sued ...

    It's all so bizarre. And fanboys on t'Internet are claiming the guy must be a pedo because Musk says so ...
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    NigelbNigelb Posts: 62,748
    ydoethur said:

    England's catching continues to be less convincing than a Corbyn costing.

    Come on - they didn’t drop every single chance.
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,285
    edited September 2018

    Also its only cheaper if he doesn't get sued for calling people paedos....

    The funny thing about the recent reignition of that story is that Musk claimed that as the man hadn't sued him, the accusation must be true.

    Not only is that a rather bizarre thing to claim (although lawyers must love it for several reasons) - it's also apparently false - the man was suing him. So Musk was either lying or he didn't know he was being sued ...

    It's all so bizarre. And fanboys on t'Internet are claiming the guy must be a pedo because Musk says so ...
    It is completely bonkers. Musk is really impressive in so many ways, and you have to admire his get shit done attitude e.g. living in the Tesla factory, but when I saw the paedo thing I initially thought his twitter must have been hacked.

    What genius billionaire, thinks that is an acceptable thing to do...but then he has since had all the taking Tesla private stuff. He is sailing very close to the wind.
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,349
    edited September 2018

    DavidL said:

    No more Mondeo man....

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2018/09/02/ford-ditch-mondeo-scrap-thousands-jobs-cost-cutting-overhaul/

    My understanding (and I am no expert on the car industry) is that Ford is basically kept afloat by the F-150 truck.

    I can't remember if it was one of Robert's videos or elsewhere but I saw recently that their Deerhorn plant once employed 100,000 people to make 700,000 cars/trucks and now employs 6,000 to make 1,000,000. So productivity has risen from 7 cars per worker per year to 167. Needless to say the educational qualification level of those that are left is somewhat higher than it was before too. It's a challenge.
    But this is because the car companies now out source a lot of manufacturing from those days. So now drivetrains, gearboxes, seats, ICE, etc is all outsourced. All that some car companies make are engines and some not even that. So the employment in the wholes supply chain needs to be considered. It is reduced, but not by just using the employees in the factory.
    That's a fair point but I think it has still been massively reduced overall. Manufacturing output in the UK is at a record high at the moment. It employs 2.88m people. In 1997 it was 4.37m.
    https://www.ons.gov.uk/employmentandlabourmarket/peopleinwork/employmentandemployeetypes/datasets/employmentbyindustryemp13
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    NigelbNigelb Posts: 62,748
    ydoethur said:

    @Nigelb your golden streak seems to have stopped working. Kohli really is going to score a century here.

    @ydoethur, great work !
    I was out this afternoon, and someone had to take up the cudgels. You perhaps won it for us.
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    DavidL said:

    Frankie Field won't be popping in I guess.

    twitter.com/Holbornlolz/status/1036282361254690817

    Over / under on the number of mentions of Hitler?
    You know another man that used to speak to admirers in Beer Halls?
    You don't think...?

    https://tinyurl.com/c3nxxbv
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    Pulpstar said:

    This is the same NASA that lost two shuttles right ?

    Different sort of failures IMO; in a way they were both management failures.

    For Challenger, the decision to ignore part burn-through on previous missions, and then launch well outside the specced temperature range. They also ignored engineers on the ground who said they shouldn't launch.

    For Columbia, it was the decision decades before to put the orbiter on the side of the stack, instead of on top. Add onto this the decision to essentially ignore a long chain of shedded insulation and hits.

    But the really interesting failure is the one they got away with - the return-to-flight after Columbia, STS-14. They spent 29 months after the Columbia disaster 'fixing' the issues that caused the disaster.

    Except they got it wrong, and more foam fell off on STS-14, fortunately missing the orbiter (or not causing damage). They only discovered the real cause when they sent a tank back to the manufacturer for the first time and they discovered the problem was shrinkage when the tank was filled with LOX, emptied, and refilled. Then there was another long delay whilst they fixed that problem ...

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/STS-114#Launch_sequence_anomalies
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    viewcodeviewcode Posts: 18,913

    No more Mondeo man....

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2018/09/02/ford-ditch-mondeo-scrap-thousands-jobs-cost-cutting-overhaul/

    My understanding (and I am no expert on the car industry) is that Ford is basically kept afloat by the F-150 truck.

    https://jalopnik.com/the-2019-ford-focus-is-dead-for-u-s-thanks-to-trumps-t-1828745055
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,349
    Nigelb said:

    ydoethur said:

    @Nigelb your golden streak seems to have stopped working. Kohli really is going to score a century here.

    @ydoethur, great work !
    I was out this afternoon, and someone had to take up the cudgels. You perhaps won it for us.
    Nah, it was the Hawaiian pizza wot won it.
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    NigelbNigelb Posts: 62,748
    DavidL said:

    Nigelb said:

    ydoethur said:

    @Nigelb your golden streak seems to have stopped working. Kohli really is going to score a century here.

    @ydoethur, great work !
    I was out this afternoon, and someone had to take up the cudgels. You perhaps won it for us.
    Nah, it was the Hawaiian pizza wot won it.
    There are prices not worth paying.
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    Nigelb said:

    DavidL said:

    Nigelb said:

    ydoethur said:

    @Nigelb your golden streak seems to have stopped working. Kohli really is going to score a century here.

    @ydoethur, great work !
    I was out this afternoon, and someone had to take up the cudgels. You perhaps won it for us.
    Nah, it was the Hawaiian pizza wot won it.
    There are prices not worth paying.
    I would rather have to eat a Hawaiian pizza than listen to Radiohead live at Glastonbury....
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    FoxyFoxy Posts: 44,732

    DavidL said:

    Frankie Field won't be popping in I guess.

    twitter.com/Holbornlolz/status/1036282361254690817

    Over / under on the number of mentions of Hitler?
    You know another man that used to speak to admirers in Beer Halls?
    You don't think...?

    https://tinyurl.com/c3nxxbv
    What an interesting quirk! What hapened to Hitlers Liverpudlian nephew?
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    FregglesFreggles Posts: 3,486

    How horrific....its barbaric....disruptive kids made to sit quietly and do work, whatever next. Its hardly the cane is it.

    When in the booths, children are not allowed to “tap, chew, swing on their chairs, shout out, sigh, or any other unacceptable or disruptive behaviour”.

    https://www.theguardian.com/education/2018/sep/02/barbaric-school-punishment-of-consequence-rooms-criticised-by-parents

    If only their parents had actually done some parenting, the children wouldn't need corrective measures in school.

    I do get frustrated when everything is the fault of the schools - it is as if parents have no role in the upbringing of their own offspring.

    Being forced to sit still and in silence is not barbaric in the slightest.
    When I was a school most lessons included significant periods where one was asked to complete work in silence, with the expectation that one wouldn't be "swinging on chairs" like a baby chimp. And I didn't attend school in the dark ages.

    I was clearly abused in a barbaric system, I just didn't know it.
    My nephew and niece attended a primary school where they could sit on beanbags or sofas rather than at desks.

    How are kids who experience stuff like that going to cope in the real world where they have to sit at desks and do work?

    Education is about learning - but it is also about preparing for life.

    The culture has shifted too far in education. No wonder we have such a demanding younger generation where the idea that they might have to take some responsibility for their own actions is completely alien to many.
    Did you read the article?
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    FoxyFoxy Posts: 44,732
    Shiver me timbers!

    Pirates in second place in Czechia:

    https://twitter.com/EuropeElects/status/1036294736326402052?s=19
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    OmniumOmnium Posts: 9,796

    Nigelb said:

    DavidL said:

    Nigelb said:

    ydoethur said:

    @Nigelb your golden streak seems to have stopped working. Kohli really is going to score a century here.

    @ydoethur, great work !
    I was out this afternoon, and someone had to take up the cudgels. You perhaps won it for us.
    Nah, it was the Hawaiian pizza wot won it.
    There are prices not worth paying.
    I would rather have to eat a Hawaiian pizza than listen to Radiohead live at Glastonbury....
    You have consumed a Hawiiaan Pizza then, and listened to Radiohead live at Glastonbury? If not then how can you compare? If so, well that's a world of ignominy.

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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,349
    Foxy said:

    Shiver me timbers!

    Pirates in second place in Czechia:

    https://twitter.com/EuropeElects/status/1036294736326402052?s=19

    Why? Because they Arrr!
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    NigelbNigelb Posts: 62,748

    Nigelb said:

    DavidL said:

    Nigelb said:

    ydoethur said:

    @Nigelb your golden streak seems to have stopped working. Kohli really is going to score a century here.

    @ydoethur, great work !
    I was out this afternoon, and someone had to take up the cudgels. You perhaps won it for us.
    Nah, it was the Hawaiian pizza wot won it.
    There are prices not worth paying.
    I would rather have to eat a Hawaiian pizza than listen to Radiohead live at Glastonbury....
    And some choices which should never be contemplated.
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    NigelbNigelb Posts: 62,748
    Just watching the GP highlights.
    V impressive defence again from Bottas.
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    Foxy said:

    Shiver me timbers!

    Pirates in second place in Czechia:

    https://twitter.com/EuropeElects/status/1036294736326402052?s=19

    A bar chart that doesn't require manipulation by the LibDems!
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 54,031
    DavidL said:

    No more Mondeo man....

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2018/09/02/ford-ditch-mondeo-scrap-thousands-jobs-cost-cutting-overhaul/

    My understanding (and I am no expert on the car industry) is that Ford is basically kept afloat by the F-150 truck.

    I can't remember if it was one of Robert's videos or elsewhere but I saw recently that their Deerhorn plant once employed 100,000 people to make 700,000 cars/trucks and now employs 6,000 to make 1,000,000. So productivity has risen from 7 cars per worker per year to 167. Needless to say the educational qualification level of those that are left is somewhat higher than it was before too. It's a challenge.
    It was indeed one of my videos. It came from a Ford investor slide where they also pointed out that at the plant they've gone from c. 80% High school graduates to just 20%, and people with masters from under 5% to 20%. There's bugger all opportunity left for skilled manual labour in the Western world
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 54,031

    DavidL said:

    No more Mondeo man....

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2018/09/02/ford-ditch-mondeo-scrap-thousands-jobs-cost-cutting-overhaul/

    My understanding (and I am no expert on the car industry) is that Ford is basically kept afloat by the F-150 truck.

    I can't remember if it was one of Robert's videos or elsewhere but I saw recently that their Deerhorn plant once employed 100,000 people to make 700,000 cars/trucks and now employs 6,000 to make 1,000,000. So productivity has risen from 7 cars per worker per year to 167. Needless to say the educational qualification level of those that are left is somewhat higher than it was before too. It's a challenge.
    But this is because the car companies now out source a lot of manufacturing from those days. So now drivetrains, gearboxes, seats, ICE, etc is all outsourced. All that some car companies make are engines and some not even that. So the employment in the wholes supply chain needs to be considered. It is reduced, but not by just using the employees in the factory.
    That night be true for Ford in general, but the Dearborn plant never made those things.
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    O/T but someone here will know...

    I am assistant director on a production of The Ragged Trousered Philanthropists and the director wants to use the right colour for the Liberal Party member. I know that Yellow is the traditional Liberal colour - but it has changed over the years.

    The action takes place in 1904.

    So what colour should we be using?
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,285
    edited September 2018
    Jezza is going to be dragged there in the end, but for the likes of Margaret Hodge is now isn't enough. It will be like trident, they will eventually accept but we all know that jezza doesnt really believe in it.
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,349
    rcs1000 said:

    DavidL said:

    No more Mondeo man....

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2018/09/02/ford-ditch-mondeo-scrap-thousands-jobs-cost-cutting-overhaul/

    My understanding (and I am no expert on the car industry) is that Ford is basically kept afloat by the F-150 truck.

    I can't remember if it was one of Robert's videos or elsewhere but I saw recently that their Deerhorn plant once employed 100,000 people to make 700,000 cars/trucks and now employs 6,000 to make 1,000,000. So productivity has risen from 7 cars per worker per year to 167. Needless to say the educational qualification level of those that are left is somewhat higher than it was before too. It's a challenge.
    It was indeed one of my videos. It came from a Ford investor slide where they also pointed out that at the plant they've gone from c. 80% High school graduates to just 20%, and people with masters from under 5% to 20%. There's bugger all opportunity left for skilled manual labour in the Western world
    I linked earlier to our manufacturing employment in the UK, down from 4.3m in 1997 to 2.8m now when manufacturing output has gone up I must say I was having some difficulty in reconciling that with our allegedly poor productivity growth.
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,532
    edited September 2018

    O/T but someone here will know...

    I am assistant director on a production of The Ragged Trousered Philanthropists and the director wants to use the right colour for the Liberal Party member. I know that Yellow is the traditional Liberal colour - but it has changed over the years.

    The action takes place in 1904.

    So what colour should we be using?

    Yellow

    Edit Or it might have been blue.
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    Jezza is going to be dragged there in the end, but for the likes of Margaret Hodge is now isn't enough.
    It was never going to be enough.

    He would have to show some awareness that he has acted badly. There would have to be some contrition, some real apology, some real change.

    What we are going to get is an apparent adoption of the full definition and examples with a new proviso on 'free speech' - which will trump everything.

    It will be a mess.
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,321

    O/T but someone here will know...

    I am assistant director on a production of The Ragged Trousered Philanthropists and the director wants to use the right colour for the Liberal Party member. I know that Yellow is the traditional Liberal colour - but it has changed over the years.

    The action takes place in 1904.

    So what colour should we be using?

    Red.
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    Fascinating. The two camps arguing for the future of the Labour Party going after each other over this. The "Adopt the Code" group vs the "We hate Israel" group.
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    O/T but someone here will know...

    I am assistant director on a production of The Ragged Trousered Philanthropists and the director wants to use the right colour for the Liberal Party member. I know that Yellow is the traditional Liberal colour - but it has changed over the years.

    The action takes place in 1904.

    So what colour should we be using?

    Yellow

    Edit Or it might have been blue.
    Some places used green. It is a very confused picture!
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    O/T but someone here will know...

    I am assistant director on a production of The Ragged Trousered Philanthropists and the director wants to use the right colour for the Liberal Party member. I know that Yellow is the traditional Liberal colour - but it has changed over the years.

    The action takes place in 1904.

    So what colour should we be using?

    I've just googled the following:
    https://liberalhistory.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/84_Lippiatt_Party_colours.pdf

    And the answer appears complex. Apparently colour TV might be to blame for the current boring uniformity ...
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    O/T but someone here will know...

    I am assistant director on a production of The Ragged Trousered Philanthropists and the director wants to use the right colour for the Liberal Party member. I know that Yellow is the traditional Liberal colour - but it has changed over the years.

    The action takes place in 1904.

    So what colour should we be using?

    I've just googled the following:
    https://liberalhistory.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/84_Lippiatt_Party_colours.pdf

    And the answer appears complex. Apparently colour TV might be to blame for the current boring uniformity ...
    Thanks.
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