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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,948
    Sandpit said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Sandpit said:

    Cricwiz has England 71% to win...shakes head...broken model.

    Betfair has England 1.6, 62.5% chance.
    If the teams were switched I'd fancy England to get the runs from 126-4, but the Indian lower order follows the classic models of not quite being good enough to stick around well.
    Agreed.

    One of England’s strengths is that we can bat well down the order.
    England’s biggest weakness is that our specialist batsmen can’t bat for toffee.
    I think England probably has the best bowling players in test cricket in the world at the moment (Certainly the seamers). Telling that Woakes can't get in the side at the moment whereas I think he'd be in any other country's side.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,088
    edited September 2018
    ydoethur said:

    HYUFD said:

    AnneJGP said:

    Good afternoon, everyone.

    On topic: Are we still in the Silly Season, or are we taking this seriously/

    Seems on Brexit we go round and round with no one having a clue

    But on Corbyn and anti semitism there does seem to be a concerted attack this weekend from labours past big beasts with Blunkett, Brown, Balls and Blair all after Corbyn's group.

    It is reminiscent of the 1980's fight over militant tendency, so who will emerge as the 2018 Neil Kinnock
    Kinnock only emerged after Foot and the hard Left lost the 1983 general election by a landslide, until Corbyn loses a general election the hard Left's grip on Labour is unlikely to be removed
    Things are far worse than 1980s. Foot may have been leader, but a) he was Left but not Marxist/Stalinist Left as per current team and b) the hard left did not have control of just about every party institution, as they do now (with a tightening due at Conference).

    Also Foot whatever one thought of his policies was a serious political figure, a man of great intelligence, a fine speaker and a man of great personal integrity.

    Corbyn, by contrast...
    He could not keep a lid on the Militant Tendency though and was the most left-wing leader Labour has had before Corbyn
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    HYUFD said:

    ydoethur said:

    HYUFD said:

    ydoethur said:

    HYUFD said:

    AnneJGP said:

    Good afternoon, everyone.

    On topic: Are we still in the Silly Season, or are we taking this seriously/

    Seems on Brexit we go round and round with no one having a clue

    But on Corbyn and anti semitism there does seem to be a concerted attack this weekend from labours past big beasts with Blunkett, Brown, Balls and Blair all after Corbyn's group.

    It is reminiscent of the 1980's fight over militant tendency, so who will emerge as the 2018 Neil Kinnock
    Kinnock only emerged after Foot and the hard Left lost the 1983 general election by a landslide, until Corbyn loses a general election the hard Left's grip on Labour is unlikely to be removed
    He already has.
    Corbyn got a hung parliament after going into the general election with a Tory majority government, until the Tories manage to get a majority against Corbyn Labour the hard Left's grip on Labour is unlikely to be removed.

    Indeed a new centrist party may be part of the solution, after all the SDP took 25% in 1983 and helped in the Tory landslide of that year


    Remember Thatcher got 42% in 1983 exactly the same percentage as May got in 2017
    He still lost. That is the point. There is no way of getting rid of a Labour leader unless he resigns or is forced out Ina successful leadership election. The first only happens when the leader is vaguely self-aware and the second is no risk to Corbyn unless a plausible candidate on the left breaks ranks.
    Until Corbynism is beaten at a general election there is no chance of a centrist making a successful leadership challenge to Corbyn or a Corbynite successor
    And what if it wins?
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,088
    edited September 2018

    HYUFD said:

    Sandpit said:

    Why would the UK want to be ruled by Brussels but with no say in the rules?

    Indeed.

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    As part of a Common Market not an EU Federal Superstate
    There is no EU Federal Superstate. It is a Boris fantasy. Jacque Delors may have wanted one, but he didn't get his wish.

    We have opted out of the most federalist aspect, the single currency.
    William Glenn wants us to opt into all of it, including the single currency
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    https://twitter.com/carldinnen/status/1036213184246554624

    This a call not to vote Labour whilst Corbyn in charge?

    Or to walk out en masse and create a new party
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    You're a peruser of the Sunday Post? I'd never have guessed.
    A shocking volume of bot activity.
    'One account identified last year as a suspected Russian bot yesterday retweeted dozens of posts containing #forFairness or #SNPcivilwar.
    It sent more than 100 retweets in an eight-hour period.'
    They found that between May 24 and September 24 last year, there were 2,284,746 tweets containing at least one of the following keywords; “scotland”, “scottish”, “sturgeon”, “indyref”, “scotref” and “snp”.

    A total of 388,406 were sent by bots.
    Another perk of working for RT?
    Is there a psychological term for immediately reposting your own stuff?
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,321
    justin124 said:

    ydoethur said:

    HYUFD said:

    ydoethur said:

    HYUFD said:

    AnneJGP said:

    Good afternoon, everyone.

    On topic: Are we still in the Silly Season, or are we taking this seriously/

    Seems on Brexit we go round and round with no one having a clue

    But on Corbyn and anti semitism there does seem to be a concerted attack this weekend from labours past big beasts with Blunkett, Brown, Balls and Blair all after Corbyn's group.

    It is reminiscent of the 1980's fight over militant tendency, so who will emerge as the 2018 Neil Kinnock
    Kinnock only emerged after Foot and the hard Left lost the 1983 general election by a landslide, until Corbyn loses a general election the hard Left's grip on Labour is unlikely to be removed
    He already has.
    Corbyn got a hung parliament after going into the general election with a Tory majority government, until the Tories manage to get a majority against Corbyn Labour the hard Left's grip on Labour is unlikely to be removed.

    Indeed a new centrist party may be part of the solution, after all the SDP took 25% in 1983 and helped in the Tory landslide of that year


    Remember Thatcher got 42% in 1983 exactly the same percentage as May got in 2017
    He still lost. That is the point. There is no way of getting rid of a Labour leader unless he resigns or is forced out Ina successful leadership election. The first only happens when the leader is vaguely self-aware and the second is no risk to Corbyn unless a plausible candidate on the left breaks ranks.
    But all the parties lost the 2017 election. Theresa May only remains PM courtesy of the DUP.
    For the third time in the pious hope of getting through.

    Hyufd said Corbyn would not be removed until he lost an election.

    I pointed out he already has, and that it made no difference.

    Your post implicitly accepts he has.

    Which was my point originally.

    So your post was really quite pointless.

    I know you enjoy arguing with me, but can you please actually occasionally read what I'm saying before responding?
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    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Betting Post.

    Okay, here goes with the hostage to fortune. Not many exciting markets up to be honest.

    No Safety Car 1.9 £10
    Vettel to lead first lap 2.76 £10
    Ricciardo Top 6 LAY 2.1 £10
    Hamilton Podium 1.33 £20

    No Safety Car 1.9 £10 £0
    Vettel to lead first lap 2.76 £10 £0
    Ricciardo Top 6 LAY 2.1 £10 £19.10
    Hamilton Podium 1.33 £20 £26.67
    Total bet £50 total returned £45.77
    But I’d happily have paid £4 to watch Lewis stick it to the Tifosi in their own back yard :)
    13/2 with Shadsy after a boost. Wish I'd had more on. It almost pays for the very slow horses I've been backing this afternoon.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,088

    HYUFD said:

    ydoethur said:

    HYUFD said:

    AnneJGP said:

    Good afternoon, everyone.

    On topic: Are we still in the Silly Season, or are we taking this seriously/

    Seems on Brexit we go round and round with no one having a clue

    But on Corbyn and anti semitism there does seem to be a concerted attack this weekend from labours past big beasts with Blunkett, Brown, Balls and Blair all after Corbyn's group.

    It is reminiscent of the 1980's fight over militant tendency, so who will emerge as the 2018 Neil Kinnock
    Kinnock only emerged after Foot and the hard Left lost the 1983 general election by a landslide, until Corbyn loses a general election the hard Left's grip on Labour is unlikely to be removed
    He already has.
    Corbyn got a hung parliament after going into the general election with a Tory majority government, until the Tories manage to get a majority against Corbyn Labour the hard Left's grip on Labour is unlikely to be removed.

    Indeed a new centrist party may be part of the solution, after all the SDP took 25% in 1983 and helped in the Tory landslide of that year


    Remember Thatcher got 42% in 1983 exactly the same percentage as May got in 2017
    Possibly. But Labour need an alternative potential leader. There isn't anyone at the moment. Of course it seems cliched to keep using the 'Blairite' term of abuse but they obviously need a potential leader who is neither Corbyn or Blair.
    Which they will not get until Corbyn loses a general election
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,285
    edited September 2018

    https://twitter.com/carldinnen/status/1036213184246554624

    This a call not to vote Labour whilst Corbyn in charge?

    That makes McCain's daughter's comment from yesterday seem like the most minor criticism of Trump...
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    https://twitter.com/carldinnen/status/1036213184246554624

    This a call not to vote Labour whilst Corbyn in charge?

    Or to walk out en masse and create a new party
    En Masse could be the British En Marche.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,088
    edited September 2018

    HYUFD said:

    ydoethur said:

    HYUFD said:

    ydoethur said:

    HYUFD said:

    AnneJGP said:

    Good afternoon, everyone.

    On topic: Are we still in the Silly Season, or are we taking this seriously/

    Seems on Brexit we go round and round with no one having a clue

    But on Corbyn and anti semitism there does seem to be a concerted attack this weekend from labours past big beasts with Blunkett, Brown, Balls and Blair all after Corbyn's group.

    It is reminiscent of the 1980's fight over militant tendency, so who will emerge as the 2018 Neil Kinnock
    Kinnock only emerged after Foot and the hard Left lost the 1983 general election by a landslide, until Corbyn loses a general election the hard Left's grip on Labour is unlikely to be removed
    He already has.
    Corbyn got a hung parliament after going into the general election with a Tory majority government, until the Tories manage to get a majority against Corbyn Labour the hard Left's grip on Labour is unlikely to be removed.

    Indeed a new centrist party may be part of the solution, after all the SDP took 25% in 1983 and helped in the Tory landslide of that year


    Remember Thatcher got 42% in 1983 exactly the same percentage as May got in 2017
    He still lost. That is the point. There is no way of getting rid of a Labour leader unless he resigns or is forced out Ina successful leadership election. The first only happens when the leader is vaguely self-aware and the second is no risk to Corbyn unless a plausible candidate on the left breaks ranks.
    Until Corbynism is beaten at a general election there is no chance of a centrist making a successful leadership challenge to Corbyn or a Corbynite successor
    And what if it wins?
    If Corbyn wins then he becomes PM and hopefully makes such a hash of it he loses the next general election by a landslide and we hope we avoid becoming Venezuala or Greece (or maybe Mexico too now Lopez Obrador is President elect)
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,321
    Pulpstar said:

    Sandpit said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Sandpit said:

    Cricwiz has England 71% to win...shakes head...broken model.

    Betfair has England 1.6, 62.5% chance.
    If the teams were switched I'd fancy England to get the runs from 126-4, but the Indian lower order follows the classic models of not quite being good enough to stick around well.
    Agreed.

    One of England’s strengths is that we can bat well down the order.
    England’s biggest weakness is that our specialist batsmen can’t bat for toffee.
    I think England probably has the best bowling players in test cricket in the world at the moment (Certainly the seamers). Telling that Woakes can't get in the side at the moment whereas I think he'd be in any other country's side.
    Woakes is currently nursing a slight injury. Yes, I know Stokes is as well (and Bairstow for the matter of that) but Stokes I think is seen as a batsman who bowls, not a bowler who bats. With Curran to replace him I think they didn't want to risk Woakes especially as the word is Anderson and Broad are not touring this winter so he will have to lead the attack.
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    A political alliance of four Arab-dominated parties in Israel’s parliament have broken ranks with fellow legislators to announce their support for Jeremy Corbyn.

    In a letter to the Guardian, the Knesset members said they commended the Labour leader for “his long-standing solidarity with all oppressed peoples around the world, including his unflinching support for the Palestinian people”.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/sep/02/israels-arab-mps-corbyn-antisemitism-row
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    Mr. Glenn, giving a new pro-EU party a French name would not necessarily be the way for the metropolitan left to reconnect with non-London England.
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    ydoethur said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Sandpit said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Sandpit said:

    Cricwiz has England 71% to win...shakes head...broken model.

    Betfair has England 1.6, 62.5% chance.
    If the teams were switched I'd fancy England to get the runs from 126-4, but the Indian lower order follows the classic models of not quite being good enough to stick around well.
    Agreed.

    One of England’s strengths is that we can bat well down the order.
    England’s biggest weakness is that our specialist batsmen can’t bat for toffee.
    I think England probably has the best bowling players in test cricket in the world at the moment (Certainly the seamers). Telling that Woakes can't get in the side at the moment whereas I think he'd be in any other country's side.
    Woakes is currently nursing a slight injury. Yes, I know Stokes is as well (and Bairstow for the matter of that) but Stokes I think is seen as a batsman who bowls, not a bowler who bats. With Curran to replace him I think they didn't want to risk Woakes especially as the word is Anderson and Broad are not touring this winter so he will have to lead the attack.
    An England attack without Anderson and Broad...its coming permanently soon and we still don't have any real replacements.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,948
    edited September 2018

    https://twitter.com/carldinnen/status/1036213184246554624

    This a call not to vote Labour whilst Corbyn in charge?

    Hah !

    You saw it here, some people said they were going to vote Tory to keep Corbyn out. But then the election comes along and it was all one big happy Labour family again (From Mike Gapes to Kate Hoey, Rochdale Pioneers to Gordon Brown).
    Admittedly Dan Hodges didn't get back onboard - but he's the exception that proves the rule. To be fair you won't win or get particularly close with a divided party - so backing Corbyn is right if you want to see a Labour/Corbyn Gov't; When push and shove comes the tribal instinct of ticking the red box is too strong for most no matter what they thought of Corbyn before if they're not fans of the Tories so to speak.
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    My wife and I have just agreed that something has dramatically changed in politics when we both were impressed with Gordon Brown speech today. He was spot on
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,321

    A political alliance of four Arab-dominated parties in Israel’s parliament have broken ranks with fellow legislators to announce their support for Jeremy Corbyn.

    In a letter to the Guardian, the Knesset members said they commended the Labour leader for “his long-standing solidarity with all oppressed peoples around the world, including his unflinching support for the Palestinian people”.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/sep/02/israels-arab-mps-corbyn-antisemitism-row

    How is that new law making them second-class citizens working out, Mr Netanyahu - or, as one of the curators of Yad Vashem called you in my hearing, Mr Racist Fascist Bastard?

    Because I am reminded on looking at this of another Jew's wise words: 'Whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.'
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    My wife and I have just agreed that something has dramatically changed in politics when we both were impressed with Gordon Brown speech today. He was spot on

    To be fair, he can do it (from time to time). His defense of the union in during the Scottish Indy Referendum was very well received.

    His problem is that he just couldn't cope with the pressure and demands of being required to make daily decisions all while under the media spotlight (plus his tribal instincts taking over when coming to making decisions e.g. always setting things in the budget, not because the right thing to do, but to screw the Tories*).

    * Osborne suffered from the same problem.
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    justin124justin124 Posts: 11,527
    ydoethur said:

    justin124 said:

    ydoethur said:

    HYUFD said:

    ydoethur said:

    HYUFD said:

    AnneJGP said:

    Good afternoon, everyone.

    On topic: Are we still in the Silly Season, or are we taking this seriously/

    Seems on Brexit we go round and round with no one having a clue

    But on Corbyn and anti semitism there does seem to be a concerted attack this weekend from labours past big beasts with Blunkett, Brown, Balls and Blair all after Corbyn's group.

    It is reminiscent of the 1980's fight over militant tendency, so who will emerge as the 2018 Neil Kinnock
    Kinnock only emerged after Foot and the hard Left lost the 1983 general election by a landslide, until Corbyn loses a general election the hard Left's grip on Labour is unlikely to be removed
    He already has.
    Corbyn got a hung parliament after going into the general election with a Tory majority government, until the Tories manage to get a majority against Corbyn Labour the hard Left's grip on Labour is unlikely to be removed.

    Indeed a new centrist party may be part of the solution, after all the SDP took 25% in 1983 and helped in the Tory landslide of that year


    Remember Thatcher got 42% in 1983 exactly the same percentage as May got in 2017
    He still lost. That is the point. There is no way of getting rid of a Labour leader unless he resigns or is forced out Ina successful leadership election. The first only happens when the leader is vaguely self-aware and the second is no risk to Corbyn unless a plausible candidate on the left breaks ranks.
    But all the parties lost the 2017 election. Theresa May only remains PM courtesy of the DUP.
    For the third time in the pious hope of getting through.

    Hyufd said Corbyn would not be removed until he lost an election.

    I pointed out he already has, and that it made no difference.

    Your post implicitly accepts he has.

    Which was my point originally.

    So your post was really quite pointless.

    I know you enjoy arguing with me, but can you please actually occasionally read what I'm saying before responding?
    I was not actually engaging with HYUFD at all - nor was I seeking to argue with you. I was simply pointing out that there were no winners in 2017 - and that Corbyn as a loser shared the fate of all the party leaders.
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,321

    My wife and I have just agreed that something has dramatically changed in politics when we both were impressed with Gordon Brown speech today. He was spot on

    It's Corbyn. Always Corbyn. He makes me feel sympathy for Hodge and approval for Balls. It's incredible the effect he's had on political thinking.
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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,925
    Great catch!
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    Mr. Pulpstar, quite so.

    Unless some MPs grow a spine and follow Field, they'll all line up behind Corbyn. Because they'd rather have the wreath-laying friend of Hamas, who wears a nice red rosette, in Number Ten than anyone who wears a blue one.
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    OUT OUT OUT OUT....not Jezza, Indian wicket.
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,321
    justin124 said:

    ydoethur said:

    justin124 said:

    ydoethur said:

    HYUFD said:

    ydoethur said:

    HYUFD said:

    AnneJGP said:

    Good afternoon, everyone.

    On topic: Are we still in the Silly Season, or are we taking this seriously/

    Seems on Brexit we go round and round with no one having a clue

    But on Corbyn and anti semitism there does seem to be a concerted attack this weekend from labours past big beasts with Blunkett, Brown, Balls and Blair all after Corbyn's group.

    It is reminiscent of the 1980's fight over militant tendency, so who will emerge as the 2018 Neil Kinnock
    Kinnock only emerged after Foot and the hard Left lost the 1983 general election by a landslide, until Corbyn loses a general election the hard Left's grip on Labour is unlikely to be removed
    He already has.
    Corbyn got a hung parliament after going into the general election with a Tory majority government, until the Tories manage to get a majority against Corbyn Labour the hard Left's grip on Labour is unlikely to be removed.

    Indeed a new centrist party may be part of the solution, after all the SDP took 25% in 1983 and helped in the Tory landslide of that year


    Remember Thatcher got 42% in 1983 exactly the same percentage as May got in 2017
    He still lost. That is the point. There is no way of getting rid of a Labour leader unless he resigns or is forced out Ina successful leadership election. The first only happens when the leader is vaguely self-aware and the second is no risk to Corbyn unless a plausible candidate on the left breaks ranks.
    But all the parties lost the 2017 election. Theresa May only remains PM courtesy of the DUP.
    For the third time in the pious hope of getting through.

    Hyufd said Corbyn would not be removed until he lost an election.

    I pointed out he already has, and that it made no difference.

    Your post implicitly accepts he has.

    Which was my point originally.

    So your post was really quite pointless.

    I know you enjoy arguing with me, but can you please actually occasionally read what I'm saying before responding?
    I was not actually engaging with HYUFD at all - nor was I seeking to argue with you. I was simply pointing out that there were no winners in 2017 - and that Corbyn as a loser shared the fate of all the party leaders.
    No he didn't. At least, unless you are discounting Farron as a leader, which might be a tenable position in all fairness...

    I'm assuming we're not saying anything about the VC winning viscount who was leading UKIP.
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,321

    OUT OUT OUT OUT....not Jezza, Indian wicket.

    Wrong one.

    But it does highlight how important that Kohli-Rahane partnership was. One end may have become open.

    Rahane has to go through. He's capable of it. No champagne unless he's out,
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,285
    edited September 2018
    ydoethur said:

    OUT OUT OUT OUT....not Jezza, Indian wicket.

    Wrong one.

    But it does highlight how important that Kohli-Rahane partnership was. One end may have become open.

    Rahane has to go through. He's capable of it. No champagne unless he's out,
    Cricwiz is now 83%....shakes head. According to them, TSE is absolutely nailed on to be eating pineapple pizza this evening.
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,348

    ydoethur said:

    OUT OUT OUT OUT....not Jezza, Indian wicket.

    Wrong one.

    But it does highlight how important that Kohli-Rahane partnership was. One end may have become open.

    Rahane has to go through. He's capable of it. No champagne unless he's out,
    Cricwiz is now 83%....shakes head. According to them, TSE is absolutely nailed on to be eating pineapple pizza this evening.
    I would honestly have said it was 50:50 now. For India everything depends on Rahane.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,948
    Lol bit of a contrast to his first innings here from Pant.
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,285
    edited September 2018
    DavidL said:

    ydoethur said:

    OUT OUT OUT OUT....not Jezza, Indian wicket.

    Wrong one.

    But it does highlight how important that Kohli-Rahane partnership was. One end may have become open.

    Rahane has to go through. He's capable of it. No champagne unless he's out,
    Cricwiz is now 83%....shakes head. According to them, TSE is absolutely nailed on to be eating pineapple pizza this evening.
    I would honestly have said it was 50:50 now. For India everything depends on Rahane.
    Totally unscientific (although I used to model cricket totals for money), I would say England are slight favourites, but 83% is ludicrous when you are talking about 100 runs to get with 5 wickets left.
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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,925

    Nigelb said:

    daodao said:

    I expect India to be 147 for 3 (or 4) at tea and to have won by close of play today.

    England can't expect or deserve to win given the shoddy front-order batting line up that they have.

    Now that’s the kind of comment I like.
    Keep it up.
    If England win this I'll eat a pizza with pineapple on it.
    Just sayin’, like.
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,285
    edited September 2018
    Margaret Hodge giving Jezza both barrels....

    'I called him an anti-Semitic racist in July and everything that has happened since then has confirmed my view that I was right.

    'Particularly that video of him speaking at the 2013 conference.

    'That was terrible - separating out Jews, we were different. We weren't English. We weren't British.'
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,321
    People were talking about Stokes batting slowly, but even the great Chris Tavaré would be fairly impressed by this one from Rahane. 151 balls and one four for his fifty?
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    The South Korean capital, Seoul, has pledged to carry out daily checks in all public toilets for hidden cameras.

    Secret cameras in toilets and changing rooms are a serious problem in South Korea - with more than 6,000 cases of "spy cam porn" reported last year.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-45388759
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    bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 21,883
    edited September 2018
    Pants on fire and he has gone
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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,925
    ydoethur said:

    People were talking about Stokes batting slowly, but even the great Chris Tavaré would be fairly impressed by this one from Rahane. 151 balls and one four for his fifty?

    That’s pretty impressive. Don’t recall a fifty with only one four, for a while.
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    Pant out - 150 for 6
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    bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 21,883
    Pants stay was brief
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    Cricwiz has it is 90% certain TSE will be eating Pineapple pizza for dinner.
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    bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 21,883
    Moeen put the skids on Pant
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,321
    edited September 2018

    Pants stay was brief

    Pant's to be dropped for the next Test?
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,985

    Cricwiz has it is 90% certain TSE will be eating Pineapple pizza for dinner.

    Will TSE be streaming this event for the gaiety of the nation?
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,321

    Cricwiz has it is 90% certain TSE will be eating Pineapple pizza for dinner.

    I demand a photograph.
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,321
    Sandpit said:

    ydoethur said:

    People were talking about Stokes batting slowly, but even the great Chris Tavaré would be fairly impressed by this one from Rahane. 151 balls and one four for his fifty?

    That’s pretty impressive. Don’t recall a fifty with only one four, for a while.
    In 2000 Thorpe scored a century with only one four in it.
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    Y Doethur, the percentage was higher for a Clinton presidential victory.
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,321

    Y Doethur, the percentage was higher for a Clinton presidential victory.

    Sorry Mr Dancer, due to old age and stupidity I'm lost. The percentage of what was higher? Dropped pants?
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    Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 60,343
    edited September 2018
    153 for 7

    What is that about pineapple on pizza.
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    TSE 98% chance of Pineapple Pizza for dinner.
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    bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 21,883

    Margaret Hodge giving Jezza both barrels....

    'I called him an anti-Semitic racist in July and everything that has happened since then has confirmed my view that I was right.

    'Particularly that video of him speaking at the 2013 conference.

    'That was terrible - separating out Jews, we were different. We weren't English. We weren't British.'

    FAKE NEWS He never mentioned Jews
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,285
    edited September 2018

    Margaret Hodge giving Jezza both barrels....

    'I called him an anti-Semitic racist in July and everything that has happened since then has confirmed my view that I was right.

    'Particularly that video of him speaking at the 2013 conference.

    'That was terrible - separating out Jews, we were different. We weren't English. We weren't British.'

    FAKE NEWS He never mentioned Jews
    It isn't Fake News that Margaret Hodge said this, it is a direct quote. Take it up with Margaret Hodge if you think she is speaking nonsense.
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    F1: post-race analysis of a fantastic race in Italy:
    http://enormo-haddock.blogspot.com/2018/09/italy-post-race-analysis-2018.html
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    Margaret Hodge giving Jezza both barrels....

    'I called him an anti-Semitic racist in July and everything that has happened since then has confirmed my view that I was right.

    'Particularly that video of him speaking at the 2013 conference.

    'That was terrible - separating out Jews, we were different. We weren't English. We weren't British.'

    FAKE NEWS He never mentioned Jews
    It is a disaster for labour whichever way you look at it
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    FoxyFoxy Posts: 44,732

    Y Doethur, the percentage was higher for a Clinton presidential victory.

    I think 538 was 83% or so on Trump for POTUS, Betfair 2/1.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,948
    Foxy said:

    Y Doethur, the percentage was higher for a Clinton presidential victory.

    I think 538 was 83% or so on Trump for POTUS, Betfair 2/1.
    Err he was never an 83% chance. Well perhaps after Wisconsin was confirmed...
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    154 for 8 - pineapple pizza on its way
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    FoxyFoxy Posts: 44,732

    Margaret Hodge giving Jezza both barrels....

    'I called him an anti-Semitic racist in July and everything that has happened since then has confirmed my view that I was right.

    'Particularly that video of him speaking at the 2013 conference.

    'That was terrible - separating out Jews, we were different. We weren't English. We weren't British.'

    FAKE NEWS He never mentioned Jews
    It is a disaster for labour whichever way you look at it
    No sign of it affecting polling so far over the summer.

    Though arguably it has held back a Corbyn surge.
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,321

    154 for 8 - pineapple pizza on its way

    Pants are certainly falling here prior to India being screwed...
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,985

    154 for 8 - pineapple pizza on its way

    I’m sure we could all chip in and get delivery ordered for him... ;)
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    Dr. Foxy, the stat I recall, before votes came in, was something like 92% chance for Clinton.

    I also remember seeing snippets on Youtube of a strange Young Turks chap (who did not appear young) who ended up saying something or other about declaring a war on the Democrat Party for failing to beat Trump.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,948
    ydoethur said:

    154 for 8 - pineapple pizza on its way

    Pants are certainly falling here prior to India being screwed...
    I'm still trying to work out how @DavidL's 50% chance for India was calculated.

    I think at 122-3 it was 50:50.
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,985
    Foxy said:

    Margaret Hodge giving Jezza both barrels....

    'I called him an anti-Semitic racist in July and everything that has happened since then has confirmed my view that I was right.

    'Particularly that video of him speaking at the 2013 conference.

    'That was terrible - separating out Jews, we were different. We weren't English. We weren't British.'

    FAKE NEWS He never mentioned Jews
    It is a disaster for labour whichever way you look at it
    No sign of it affecting polling so far over the summer.

    Though arguably it has held back a Corbyn surge.
    You think he was goong to have a surge otherwise?
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    England on the right side of some luck there.
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,321
    Moeen does seem to love bowling at the Rose Bowl, doesn't he? 8-115 in the match so far.
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    Come on England!
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,321
    Pulpstar said:

    ydoethur said:

    154 for 8 - pineapple pizza on its way

    Pants are certainly falling here prior to India being screwed...
    I'm still trying to work out how @DavidL's 50% chance for India was calculated.

    I think at 122-3 it was 50:50.
    That was halfway to the 245 they need.
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    Foxy said:

    Margaret Hodge giving Jezza both barrels....

    'I called him an anti-Semitic racist in July and everything that has happened since then has confirmed my view that I was right.

    'Particularly that video of him speaking at the 2013 conference.

    'That was terrible - separating out Jews, we were different. We weren't English. We weren't British.'

    FAKE NEWS He never mentioned Jews
    It is a disaster for labour whichever way you look at it
    No sign of it affecting polling so far over the summer.

    Though arguably it has held back a Corbyn surge.
    Polling in summer holidays is hardly worth much.

    But if you think this has not seriously damaged Corbyn then you must be a Corbynista
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    bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 21,883

    Margaret Hodge giving Jezza both barrels....

    'I called him an anti-Semitic racist in July and everything that has happened since then has confirmed my view that I was right.

    'Particularly that video of him speaking at the 2013 conference.

    'That was terrible - separating out Jews, we were different. We weren't English. We weren't British.'

    FAKE NEWS He never mentioned Jews
    It is a disaster for labour whichever way you look at it
    Ah Big G


    Have you noticed the Fake Document you found chilling this morning from Red Roar was FAKE yet?
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,321

    Foxy said:

    Margaret Hodge giving Jezza both barrels....

    'I called him an anti-Semitic racist in July and everything that has happened since then has confirmed my view that I was right.

    'Particularly that video of him speaking at the 2013 conference.

    'That was terrible - separating out Jews, we were different. We weren't English. We weren't British.'

    FAKE NEWS He never mentioned Jews
    It is a disaster for labour whichever way you look at it
    No sign of it affecting polling so far over the summer.

    Though arguably it has held back a Corbyn surge.
    Polling in summer holidays is hardly worth much.

    But if you think this has not seriously damaged Corbyn then you must be a Corbynista
    It hasn't shifted the needle for Labour, but it's done his personal rating no favours whatsoever. It's bumbling back down at 2016 levels.

    That could be a problem if he's still there at the next election.
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,348
    Pulpstar said:

    ydoethur said:

    154 for 8 - pineapple pizza on its way

    Pants are certainly falling here prior to India being screwed...
    I'm still trying to work out how @DavidL's 50% chance for India was calculated.

    I think at 122-3 it was 50:50.
    One good partnership was all that was required to swing the match India's way. Even now only 85 runs are required. Remember that in the first innings we conceded 43 runs for the final wicket.

    I really didn't understand Pant's performance. Surely his job was to block and let Rahane score the runs. The Indians are so used to their top 6 delivering the goods their bowlers have forgotten how to bat.
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    YorkcityYorkcity Posts: 4,382
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    Margaret Hodge giving Jezza both barrels....

    'I called him an anti-Semitic racist in July and everything that has happened since then has confirmed my view that I was right.

    'Particularly that video of him speaking at the 2013 conference.

    'That was terrible - separating out Jews, we were different. We weren't English. We weren't British.'

    FAKE NEWS He never mentioned Jews
    It is a disaster for labour whichever way you look at it
    Ah Big G


    Have you noticed the Fake Document you found chilling this morning from Red Roar was FAKE yet?
    It was a rubbish document and fake. But Gordon Brown was not fake and he has lit a bonfire under Corbyn today
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    On the brink!
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    163 - 9 someone order the pineapple pizza
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,321
    DavidL said:

    Pulpstar said:

    ydoethur said:

    154 for 8 - pineapple pizza on its way

    Pants are certainly falling here prior to India being screwed...
    I'm still trying to work out how @DavidL's 50% chance for India was calculated.

    I think at 122-3 it was 50:50.
    One good partnership was all that was required to swing the match India's way. Even now only 85 runs are required. Remember that in the first innings we conceded 43 runs for the final wicket.

    I really didn't understand Pant's performance. Surely his job was to block and let Rahane score the runs. The Indians are so used to their top 6 delivering the goods their bowlers have forgotten how to bat.
    Now they need 82 from the final wicket.

    You are assuming Pant thinks logically. He apparently has two modes of batting - the attacking shot that goes for six, and the defensive one that goes for four.
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    Yorkcity said:
    That is hardly a surprise
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,321

    163 - 9 someone order the pineapple pizza

    I was wondering if we should commute the sentence to no more AV threads or something, but it was @TSE who came up with this wager for himself, so he will just have to have his pizza and eat it too.
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    FoxyFoxy Posts: 44,732

    Foxy said:

    Margaret Hodge giving Jezza both barrels....

    'I called him an anti-Semitic racist in July and everything that has happened since then has confirmed my view that I was right.

    'Particularly that video of him speaking at the 2013 conference.

    'That was terrible - separating out Jews, we were different. We weren't English. We weren't British.'

    FAKE NEWS He never mentioned Jews
    It is a disaster for labour whichever way you look at it
    No sign of it affecting polling so far over the summer.

    Though arguably it has held back a Corbyn surge.
    Polling in summer holidays is hardly worth much.

    But if you think this has not seriously damaged Corbyn then you must be a Corbynista
    No, as far as I am concerned Jezza is a Curates egg. Good in parts and rotten in others. His personal ratings have dropped to the lowest since before his successful spring 2017 surge. Whether that surge can be repeated, we do not yet know, but he is a powerful campaigner.
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,532
    edited September 2018
    Fecking Cow-Botherers.

    They really don’t like anyone with Pakistani Muslim heritage.
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,285
    edited September 2018
    The only problem with this (should be) victory for England is it again papers over massive cracks.

    The likes of Jennings have to go.
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,985
    ydoethur said:

    163 - 9 someone order the pineapple pizza

    I was wondering if we should commute the sentence to no more AV threads or something, but it was @TSE who came up with this wager for himself, so he will just have to have his pizza and eat it too.
    No more AV threads? I assume this is like the platoon getting punished for the misdeeds of a single soldier.
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,348
    ydoethur said:

    DavidL said:

    Pulpstar said:

    ydoethur said:

    154 for 8 - pineapple pizza on its way

    Pants are certainly falling here prior to India being screwed...
    I'm still trying to work out how @DavidL's 50% chance for India was calculated.

    I think at 122-3 it was 50:50.
    One good partnership was all that was required to swing the match India's way. Even now only 85 runs are required. Remember that in the first innings we conceded 43 runs for the final wicket.

    I really didn't understand Pant's performance. Surely his job was to block and let Rahane score the runs. The Indians are so used to their top 6 delivering the goods their bowlers have forgotten how to bat.
    Now they need 82 from the final wicket.

    You are assuming Pant thinks logically. He apparently has two modes of batting - the attacking shot that goes for six, and the defensive one that goes for four.
    It is a remarkable collapse from India. Kohli is a superstar but you just cannot rely on one man to keep delivering for the team. Pujara did well in the first innings here and Rahane did well in another test but they just rely too heavily on Kohli to put the runs on the board.
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,285
    edited September 2018
    I presume everybody is watching Super Sunday rather than the boring old cricket?
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,321

    The only problem with this (should be) victory for England is it again papers over massive cracks.

    The likes of Jennings have to go.

    We can try an all-new batting lineup with the trophy secure. Drop Cook, Jennings, Bairstow, Stokes if he's unfit. Bring in Burns, Denly, Hildreth and Woakes if he's recovered.
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    My reading of Corbyn is that he is a rigid dogmatist wedded to a simplistic caricature of leftwing thought. Despite life-long immersion in the LP's "left opposition" his politics is astonishingly naive even by the standards of that echo chamber. His current difficulties arise from a crude application of the tradition flowing from Lenin's work "Imperialism the highest stage of Capitalism" whereby the labour movement should oppose any war waged by a capitalist country, support anti-imperialist movements the colonies (even if not socialist) etc. All against the expectation of imminent world wide revolution.

    To Corbyn and his inner circle Israel is an ofshoot of Western Imperialism and must be opposed and Hamas etc are in the role of the pre-war independence movements. That is the root of the anti-semitism. That (in my opinion totally wrong) analysis then leads to supporting of, at least implicitly, Islamo-Fascist groups and not tackling anti-semitic views from some among the Moslem support that has moved to Labour. We can also add Corbyn's personal petulance when crossed and the cult carrying out two minutes of hate daily online.
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    ydoethur said:

    The only problem with this (should be) victory for England is it again papers over massive cracks.

    The likes of Jennings have to go.

    We can try an all-new batting lineup with the trophy secure. Drop Cook, Jennings, Bairstow, Stokes if he's unfit. Bring in Burns, Denly, Hildreth and Woakes if he's recovered.
    That sounds a bit daring for the England management....we will probably get Bell, Vince, Compton and Ballance.
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    I wonder if this is something to do with the Ferrari B Team controversy (are Haas using too many Ferrari parts / tech) ?

    Or probably something totally different. ;)
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,285
    edited September 2018

    My reading of Corbyn is that he is a rigid dogmatist wedded to a simplistic caricature of leftwing thought. Despite life-long immersion in the LP's "left opposition" his politics is astonishingly naive even by the standards of that echo chamber. His current difficulties arise from a crude application of the tradition flowing from Lenin's work "Imperialism the highest stage of Capitalism" whereby the labour movement should oppose any war waged by a capitalist country, support anti-imperialist movements the colonies (even if not socialist) etc. All against the expectation of imminent world wide revolution.

    To Corbyn and his inner circle Israel is an ofshoot of Western Imperialism and must be opposed and Hamas etc are in the role of the pre-war independence movements. That is the root of the anti-semitism. That (in my opinion totally wrong) analysis then leads to supporting of, at least implicitly, Islamo-Fascist groups and not tackling anti-semitic views from some among the Moslem support that has moved to Labour. We can also add Corbyn's personal petulance when crossed and the cult carrying out two minutes of hate daily online.

    To boil it down even to an even simpler level, America / West / Israel bad oppressors....the rest of the world oppressed, but good people. Everything that occurs is through that filter.

    I mean the man even believes NATO was setup deliberately to start a cold war against the Russia.
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,348

    I presume everybody is watching Super Sunday rather than the boring old cricket?

    United racing back into the top 10. How could we have ever doubted Mourinho? Who knows, by the end of play our goal difference might not even be negative.
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    I presume everybody is watching Super Sunday rather than the boring old cricket?

    There's a cricket match on? Why hasn't anyone been mentioning it on here?
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    My reading of Corbyn is that he is a rigid dogmatist wedded to a simplistic caricature of leftwing thought. Despite life-long immersion in the LP's "left opposition" his politics is astonishingly naive even by the standards of that echo chamber. His current difficulties arise from a crude application of the tradition flowing from Lenin's work "Imperialism the highest stage of Capitalism" whereby the labour movement should oppose any war waged by a capitalist country, support anti-imperialist movements the colonies (even if not socialist) etc. All against the expectation of imminent world wide revolution.

    To Corbyn and his inner circle Israel is an ofshoot of Western Imperialism and must be opposed and Hamas etc are in the role of the pre-war independence movements. That is the root of the anti-semitism. That (in my opinion totally wrong) analysis then leads to supporting of, at least implicitly, Islamo-Fascist groups and not tackling anti-semitic views from some among the Moslem support that has moved to Labour. We can also add Corbyn's personal petulance when crossed and the cult carrying out two minutes of hate daily online.

    +1
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    DavidL said:

    I presume everybody is watching Super Sunday rather than the boring old cricket?

    United racing back into the top 10. How could we have ever doubted Mourinho? Who knows, by the end of play our goal difference might not even be negative.
    RESPECT.....
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,321
    Curran to wrap things up?
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,285
    edited September 2018
    This is where England miss a real killer fast bowler. When England rabbits go in against Australia they get the 95 mph treatment from both ends and no tailender likes that.
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    India are going to pull this off.
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,348

    India are going to pull this off.

    Ashwin is certainly not giving up. If some of the others had shown the obduracy that Bumrah has shown in both innings this could have gone very differently.
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    FoxyFoxy Posts: 44,732

    My reading of Corbyn is that he is a rigid dogmatist wedded to a simplistic caricature of leftwing thought. Despite life-long immersion in the LP's "left opposition" his politics is astonishingly naive even by the standards of that echo chamber. His current difficulties arise from a crude application of the tradition flowing from Lenin's work "Imperialism the highest stage of Capitalism" whereby the labour movement should oppose any war waged by a capitalist country, support anti-imperialist movements the colonies (even if not socialist) etc. All against the expectation of imminent world wide revolution.

    To Corbyn and his inner circle Israel is an ofshoot of Western Imperialism and must be opposed and Hamas etc are in the role of the pre-war independence movements. That is the root of the anti-semitism. That (in my opinion totally wrong) analysis then leads to supporting of, at least implicitly, Islamo-Fascist groups and not tackling anti-semitic views from some among the Moslem support that has moved to Labour. We can also add Corbyn's personal petulance when crossed and the cult carrying out two minutes of hate daily online.

    Yes, I wouldn't disagree with most of that, but it ignores his good points. His opposition to foreign wars is not all bad. Notably his opposition to the Iraq war. No parties position over Palestine is going to ingfluence my vote as it is not on my list of concerns.

    His domestic interest in righting the generational inequality that has risen over recent decades is also a major plus in my eyes.

    I am an LD though former Lab member. I cannot see myself shifting back for the forseeable, though would like to see a better leader than Vince.
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,321

    India are going to pull this off.

    Well Ashwin is capable of it.

    I wonder whether Bumrah might be the Chris Martin for a new age.
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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,925

    India are going to pull this off.

    LOL, if it takes Dominos an hour to deliver, you might as well call them now.
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