Cricwiz has England 71% to win...shakes head...broken model.
Betfair has England 1.6, 62.5% chance.
If the teams were switched I'd fancy England to get the runs from 126-4, but the Indian lower order follows the classic models of not quite being good enough to stick around well.
Agreed.
One of England’s strengths is that we can bat well down the order. England’s biggest weakness is that our specialist batsmen can’t bat for toffee.
I think England probably has the best bowling players in test cricket in the world at the moment (Certainly the seamers). Telling that Woakes can't get in the side at the moment whereas I think he'd be in any other country's side.
On topic: Are we still in the Silly Season, or are we taking this seriously/
Seems on Brexit we go round and round with no one having a clue
But on Corbyn and anti semitism there does seem to be a concerted attack this weekend from labours past big beasts with Blunkett, Brown, Balls and Blair all after Corbyn's group.
It is reminiscent of the 1980's fight over militant tendency, so who will emerge as the 2018 Neil Kinnock
Kinnock only emerged after Foot and the hard Left lost the 1983 general election by a landslide, until Corbyn loses a general election the hard Left's grip on Labour is unlikely to be removed
Things are far worse than 1980s. Foot may have been leader, but a) he was Left but not Marxist/Stalinist Left as per current team and b) the hard left did not have control of just about every party institution, as they do now (with a tightening due at Conference).
Also Foot whatever one thought of his policies was a serious political figure, a man of great intelligence, a fine speaker and a man of great personal integrity.
Corbyn, by contrast...
He could not keep a lid on the Militant Tendency though and was the most left-wing leader Labour has had before Corbyn
On topic: Are we still in the Silly Season, or are we taking this seriously/
Seems on Brexit we go round and round with no one having a clue
But on Corbyn and anti semitism there does seem to be a concerted attack this weekend from labours past big beasts with Blunkett, Brown, Balls and Blair all after Corbyn's group.
It is reminiscent of the 1980's fight over militant tendency, so who will emerge as the 2018 Neil Kinnock
Kinnock only emerged after Foot and the hard Left lost the 1983 general election by a landslide, until Corbyn loses a general election the hard Left's grip on Labour is unlikely to be removed
He already has.
Corbyn got a hung parliament after going into the general election with a Tory majority government, until the Tories manage to get a majority against Corbyn Labour the hard Left's grip on Labour is unlikely to be removed.
Indeed a new centrist party may be part of the solution, after all the SDP took 25% in 1983 and helped in the Tory landslide of that year
Remember Thatcher got 42% in 1983 exactly the same percentage as May got in 2017
He still lost. That is the point. There is no way of getting rid of a Labour leader unless he resigns or is forced out Ina successful leadership election. The first only happens when the leader is vaguely self-aware and the second is no risk to Corbyn unless a plausible candidate on the left breaks ranks.
Until Corbynism is beaten at a general election there is no chance of a centrist making a successful leadership challenge to Corbyn or a Corbynite successor
You're a peruser of the Sunday Post? I'd never have guessed. A shocking volume of bot activity. 'One account identified last year as a suspected Russian bot yesterday retweeted dozens of posts containing #forFairness or #SNPcivilwar. It sent more than 100 retweets in an eight-hour period.'
They found that between May 24 and September 24 last year, there were 2,284,746 tweets containing at least one of the following keywords; “scotland”, “scottish”, “sturgeon”, “indyref”, “scotref” and “snp”.
A total of 388,406 were sent by bots.
Another perk of working for RT?
Is there a psychological term for immediately reposting your own stuff?
On topic: Are we still in the Silly Season, or are we taking this seriously/
Seems on Brexit we go round and round with no one having a clue
But on Corbyn and anti semitism there does seem to be a concerted attack this weekend from labours past big beasts with Blunkett, Brown, Balls and Blair all after Corbyn's group.
It is reminiscent of the 1980's fight over militant tendency, so who will emerge as the 2018 Neil Kinnock
Kinnock only emerged after Foot and the hard Left lost the 1983 general election by a landslide, until Corbyn loses a general election the hard Left's grip on Labour is unlikely to be removed
He already has.
Corbyn got a hung parliament after going into the general election with a Tory majority government, until the Tories manage to get a majority against Corbyn Labour the hard Left's grip on Labour is unlikely to be removed.
Indeed a new centrist party may be part of the solution, after all the SDP took 25% in 1983 and helped in the Tory landslide of that year
Remember Thatcher got 42% in 1983 exactly the same percentage as May got in 2017
He still lost. That is the point. There is no way of getting rid of a Labour leader unless he resigns or is forced out Ina successful leadership election. The first only happens when the leader is vaguely self-aware and the second is no risk to Corbyn unless a plausible candidate on the left breaks ranks.
But all the parties lost the 2017 election. Theresa May only remains PM courtesy of the DUP.
For the third time in the pious hope of getting through.
Hyufd said Corbyn would not be removed until he lost an election.
I pointed out he already has, and that it made no difference.
Your post implicitly accepts he has.
Which was my point originally.
So your post was really quite pointless.
I know you enjoy arguing with me, but can you please actually occasionally read what I'm saying before responding?
Okay, here goes with the hostage to fortune. Not many exciting markets up to be honest.
No Safety Car 1.9 £10 Vettel to lead first lap 2.76 £10 Ricciardo Top 6 LAY 2.1 £10 Hamilton Podium 1.33 £20
No Safety Car 1.9 £10 £0 Vettel to lead first lap 2.76 £10 £0 Ricciardo Top 6 LAY 2.1 £10 £19.10 Hamilton Podium 1.33 £20 £26.67 Total bet £50 total returned £45.77 But I’d happily have paid £4 to watch Lewis stick it to the Tifosi in their own back yard
13/2 with Shadsy after a boost. Wish I'd had more on. It almost pays for the very slow horses I've been backing this afternoon.
On topic: Are we still in the Silly Season, or are we taking this seriously/
Seems on Brexit we go round and round with no one having a clue
But on Corbyn and anti semitism there does seem to be a concerted attack this weekend from labours past big beasts with Blunkett, Brown, Balls and Blair all after Corbyn's group.
It is reminiscent of the 1980's fight over militant tendency, so who will emerge as the 2018 Neil Kinnock
Kinnock only emerged after Foot and the hard Left lost the 1983 general election by a landslide, until Corbyn loses a general election the hard Left's grip on Labour is unlikely to be removed
He already has.
Corbyn got a hung parliament after going into the general election with a Tory majority government, until the Tories manage to get a majority against Corbyn Labour the hard Left's grip on Labour is unlikely to be removed.
Indeed a new centrist party may be part of the solution, after all the SDP took 25% in 1983 and helped in the Tory landslide of that year
Remember Thatcher got 42% in 1983 exactly the same percentage as May got in 2017
Possibly. But Labour need an alternative potential leader. There isn't anyone at the moment. Of course it seems cliched to keep using the 'Blairite' term of abuse but they obviously need a potential leader who is neither Corbyn or Blair.
Which they will not get until Corbyn loses a general election
On topic: Are we still in the Silly Season, or are we taking this seriously/
Seems on Brexit we go round and round with no one having a clue
But on Corbyn and anti semitism there does seem to be a concerted attack this weekend from labours past big beasts with Blunkett, Brown, Balls and Blair all after Corbyn's group.
It is reminiscent of the 1980's fight over militant tendency, so who will emerge as the 2018 Neil Kinnock
Kinnock only emerged after Foot and the hard Left lost the 1983 general election by a landslide, until Corbyn loses a general election the hard Left's grip on Labour is unlikely to be removed
He already has.
Corbyn got a hung parliament after going into the general election with a Tory majority government, until the Tories manage to get a majority against Corbyn Labour the hard Left's grip on Labour is unlikely to be removed.
Indeed a new centrist party may be part of the solution, after all the SDP took 25% in 1983 and helped in the Tory landslide of that year
Remember Thatcher got 42% in 1983 exactly the same percentage as May got in 2017
He still lost. That is the point. There is no way of getting rid of a Labour leader unless he resigns or is forced out Ina successful leadership election. The first only happens when the leader is vaguely self-aware and the second is no risk to Corbyn unless a plausible candidate on the left breaks ranks.
Until Corbynism is beaten at a general election there is no chance of a centrist making a successful leadership challenge to Corbyn or a Corbynite successor
And what if it wins?
If Corbyn wins then he becomes PM and hopefully makes such a hash of it he loses the next general election by a landslide and we hope we avoid becoming Venezuala or Greece (or maybe Mexico too now Lopez Obrador is President elect)
Cricwiz has England 71% to win...shakes head...broken model.
Betfair has England 1.6, 62.5% chance.
If the teams were switched I'd fancy England to get the runs from 126-4, but the Indian lower order follows the classic models of not quite being good enough to stick around well.
Agreed.
One of England’s strengths is that we can bat well down the order. England’s biggest weakness is that our specialist batsmen can’t bat for toffee.
I think England probably has the best bowling players in test cricket in the world at the moment (Certainly the seamers). Telling that Woakes can't get in the side at the moment whereas I think he'd be in any other country's side.
Woakes is currently nursing a slight injury. Yes, I know Stokes is as well (and Bairstow for the matter of that) but Stokes I think is seen as a batsman who bowls, not a bowler who bats. With Curran to replace him I think they didn't want to risk Woakes especially as the word is Anderson and Broad are not touring this winter so he will have to lead the attack.
A political alliance of four Arab-dominated parties in Israel’s parliament have broken ranks with fellow legislators to announce their support for Jeremy Corbyn.
In a letter to the Guardian, the Knesset members said they commended the Labour leader for “his long-standing solidarity with all oppressed peoples around the world, including his unflinching support for the Palestinian people”.
Cricwiz has England 71% to win...shakes head...broken model.
Betfair has England 1.6, 62.5% chance.
If the teams were switched I'd fancy England to get the runs from 126-4, but the Indian lower order follows the classic models of not quite being good enough to stick around well.
Agreed.
One of England’s strengths is that we can bat well down the order. England’s biggest weakness is that our specialist batsmen can’t bat for toffee.
I think England probably has the best bowling players in test cricket in the world at the moment (Certainly the seamers). Telling that Woakes can't get in the side at the moment whereas I think he'd be in any other country's side.
Woakes is currently nursing a slight injury. Yes, I know Stokes is as well (and Bairstow for the matter of that) but Stokes I think is seen as a batsman who bowls, not a bowler who bats. With Curran to replace him I think they didn't want to risk Woakes especially as the word is Anderson and Broad are not touring this winter so he will have to lead the attack.
An England attack without Anderson and Broad...its coming permanently soon and we still don't have any real replacements.
This a call not to vote Labour whilst Corbyn in charge?
Hah !
You saw it here, some people said they were going to vote Tory to keep Corbyn out. But then the election comes along and it was all one big happy Labour family again (From Mike Gapes to Kate Hoey, Rochdale Pioneers to Gordon Brown). Admittedly Dan Hodges didn't get back onboard - but he's the exception that proves the rule. To be fair you won't win or get particularly close with a divided party - so backing Corbyn is right if you want to see a Labour/Corbyn Gov't; When push and shove comes the tribal instinct of ticking the red box is too strong for most no matter what they thought of Corbyn before if they're not fans of the Tories so to speak.
My wife and I have just agreed that something has dramatically changed in politics when we both were impressed with Gordon Brown speech today. He was spot on
A political alliance of four Arab-dominated parties in Israel’s parliament have broken ranks with fellow legislators to announce their support for Jeremy Corbyn.
In a letter to the Guardian, the Knesset members said they commended the Labour leader for “his long-standing solidarity with all oppressed peoples around the world, including his unflinching support for the Palestinian people”.
How is that new law making them second-class citizens working out, Mr Netanyahu - or, as one of the curators of Yad Vashem called you in my hearing, Mr Racist Fascist Bastard?
Because I am reminded on looking at this of another Jew's wise words: 'Whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.'
My wife and I have just agreed that something has dramatically changed in politics when we both were impressed with Gordon Brown speech today. He was spot on
To be fair, he can do it (from time to time). His defense of the union in during the Scottish Indy Referendum was very well received.
His problem is that he just couldn't cope with the pressure and demands of being required to make daily decisions all while under the media spotlight (plus his tribal instincts taking over when coming to making decisions e.g. always setting things in the budget, not because the right thing to do, but to screw the Tories*).
On topic: Are we still in the Silly Season, or are we taking this seriously/
Seems on Brexit we go round and round with no one having a clue
But on Corbyn and anti semitism there does seem to be a concerted attack this weekend from labours past big beasts with Blunkett, Brown, Balls and Blair all after Corbyn's group.
It is reminiscent of the 1980's fight over militant tendency, so who will emerge as the 2018 Neil Kinnock
Kinnock only emerged after Foot and the hard Left lost the 1983 general election by a landslide, until Corbyn loses a general election the hard Left's grip on Labour is unlikely to be removed
He already has.
Corbyn got a hung parliament after going into the general election with a Tory majority government, until the Tories manage to get a majority against Corbyn Labour the hard Left's grip on Labour is unlikely to be removed.
Indeed a new centrist party may be part of the solution, after all the SDP took 25% in 1983 and helped in the Tory landslide of that year
Remember Thatcher got 42% in 1983 exactly the same percentage as May got in 2017
He still lost. That is the point. There is no way of getting rid of a Labour leader unless he resigns or is forced out Ina successful leadership election. The first only happens when the leader is vaguely self-aware and the second is no risk to Corbyn unless a plausible candidate on the left breaks ranks.
But all the parties lost the 2017 election. Theresa May only remains PM courtesy of the DUP.
For the third time in the pious hope of getting through.
Hyufd said Corbyn would not be removed until he lost an election.
I pointed out he already has, and that it made no difference.
Your post implicitly accepts he has.
Which was my point originally.
So your post was really quite pointless.
I know you enjoy arguing with me, but can you please actually occasionally read what I'm saying before responding?
I was not actually engaging with HYUFD at all - nor was I seeking to argue with you. I was simply pointing out that there were no winners in 2017 - and that Corbyn as a loser shared the fate of all the party leaders.
My wife and I have just agreed that something has dramatically changed in politics when we both were impressed with Gordon Brown speech today. He was spot on
It's Corbyn. Always Corbyn. He makes me feel sympathy for Hodge and approval for Balls. It's incredible the effect he's had on political thinking.
Unless some MPs grow a spine and follow Field, they'll all line up behind Corbyn. Because they'd rather have the wreath-laying friend of Hamas, who wears a nice red rosette, in Number Ten than anyone who wears a blue one.
On topic: Are we still in the Silly Season, or are we taking this seriously/
Seems on Brexit we go round and round with no one having a clue
But on Corbyn and anti semitism there does seem to be a concerted attack this weekend from labours past big beasts with Blunkett, Brown, Balls and Blair all after Corbyn's group.
It is reminiscent of the 1980's fight over militant tendency, so who will emerge as the 2018 Neil Kinnock
Kinnock only emerged after Foot and the hard Left lost the 1983 general election by a landslide, until Corbyn loses a general election the hard Left's grip on Labour is unlikely to be removed
He already has.
Corbyn got a hung parliament after going into the general election with a Tory majority government, until the Tories manage to get a majority against Corbyn Labour the hard Left's grip on Labour is unlikely to be removed.
Indeed a new centrist party may be part of the solution, after all the SDP took 25% in 1983 and helped in the Tory landslide of that year
Remember Thatcher got 42% in 1983 exactly the same percentage as May got in 2017
He still lost. That is the point. There is no way of getting rid of a Labour leader unless he resigns or is forced out Ina successful leadership election. The first only happens when the leader is vaguely self-aware and the second is no risk to Corbyn unless a plausible candidate on the left breaks ranks.
But all the parties lost the 2017 election. Theresa May only remains PM courtesy of the DUP.
For the third time in the pious hope of getting through.
Hyufd said Corbyn would not be removed until he lost an election.
I pointed out he already has, and that it made no difference.
Your post implicitly accepts he has.
Which was my point originally.
So your post was really quite pointless.
I know you enjoy arguing with me, but can you please actually occasionally read what I'm saying before responding?
I was not actually engaging with HYUFD at all - nor was I seeking to argue with you. I was simply pointing out that there were no winners in 2017 - and that Corbyn as a loser shared the fate of all the party leaders.
No he didn't. At least, unless you are discounting Farron as a leader, which might be a tenable position in all fairness...
I'm assuming we're not saying anything about the VC winning viscount who was leading UKIP.
But it does highlight how important that Kohli-Rahane partnership was. One end may have become open.
Rahane has to go through. He's capable of it. No champagne unless he's out,
Cricwiz is now 83%....shakes head. According to them, TSE is absolutely nailed on to be eating pineapple pizza this evening.
I would honestly have said it was 50:50 now. For India everything depends on Rahane.
Totally unscientific (although I used to model cricket totals for money), I would say England are slight favourites, but 83% is ludicrous when you are talking about 100 runs to get with 5 wickets left.
People were talking about Stokes batting slowly, but even the great Chris Tavaré would be fairly impressed by this one from Rahane. 151 balls and one four for his fifty?
People were talking about Stokes batting slowly, but even the great Chris Tavaré would be fairly impressed by this one from Rahane. 151 balls and one four for his fifty?
That’s pretty impressive. Don’t recall a fifty with only one four, for a while.
People were talking about Stokes batting slowly, but even the great Chris Tavaré would be fairly impressed by this one from Rahane. 151 balls and one four for his fifty?
That’s pretty impressive. Don’t recall a fifty with only one four, for a while.
In 2000 Thorpe scored a century with only one four in it.
Dr. Foxy, the stat I recall, before votes came in, was something like 92% chance for Clinton.
I also remember seeing snippets on Youtube of a strange Young Turks chap (who did not appear young) who ended up saying something or other about declaring a war on the Democrat Party for failing to beat Trump.
Pants are certainly falling here prior to India being screwed...
I'm still trying to work out how @DavidL's 50% chance for India was calculated.
I think at 122-3 it was 50:50.
One good partnership was all that was required to swing the match India's way. Even now only 85 runs are required. Remember that in the first innings we conceded 43 runs for the final wicket.
I really didn't understand Pant's performance. Surely his job was to block and let Rahane score the runs. The Indians are so used to their top 6 delivering the goods their bowlers have forgotten how to bat.
Pants are certainly falling here prior to India being screwed...
I'm still trying to work out how @DavidL's 50% chance for India was calculated.
I think at 122-3 it was 50:50.
One good partnership was all that was required to swing the match India's way. Even now only 85 runs are required. Remember that in the first innings we conceded 43 runs for the final wicket.
I really didn't understand Pant's performance. Surely his job was to block and let Rahane score the runs. The Indians are so used to their top 6 delivering the goods their bowlers have forgotten how to bat.
Now they need 82 from the final wicket.
You are assuming Pant thinks logically. He apparently has two modes of batting - the attacking shot that goes for six, and the defensive one that goes for four.
I was wondering if we should commute the sentence to no more AV threads or something, but it was @TSE who came up with this wager for himself, so he will just have to have his pizza and eat it too.
'I called him an anti-Semitic racist in July and everything that has happened since then has confirmed my view that I was right.
'Particularly that video of him speaking at the 2013 conference.
'That was terrible - separating out Jews, we were different. We weren't English. We weren't British.'
FAKE NEWS He never mentioned Jews
It is a disaster for labour whichever way you look at it
No sign of it affecting polling so far over the summer.
Though arguably it has held back a Corbyn surge.
Polling in summer holidays is hardly worth much.
But if you think this has not seriously damaged Corbyn then you must be a Corbynista
No, as far as I am concerned Jezza is a Curates egg. Good in parts and rotten in others. His personal ratings have dropped to the lowest since before his successful spring 2017 surge. Whether that surge can be repeated, we do not yet know, but he is a powerful campaigner.
I was wondering if we should commute the sentence to no more AV threads or something, but it was @TSE who came up with this wager for himself, so he will just have to have his pizza and eat it too.
No more AV threads? I assume this is like the platoon getting punished for the misdeeds of a single soldier.
Pants are certainly falling here prior to India being screwed...
I'm still trying to work out how @DavidL's 50% chance for India was calculated.
I think at 122-3 it was 50:50.
One good partnership was all that was required to swing the match India's way. Even now only 85 runs are required. Remember that in the first innings we conceded 43 runs for the final wicket.
I really didn't understand Pant's performance. Surely his job was to block and let Rahane score the runs. The Indians are so used to their top 6 delivering the goods their bowlers have forgotten how to bat.
Now they need 82 from the final wicket.
You are assuming Pant thinks logically. He apparently has two modes of batting - the attacking shot that goes for six, and the defensive one that goes for four.
It is a remarkable collapse from India. Kohli is a superstar but you just cannot rely on one man to keep delivering for the team. Pujara did well in the first innings here and Rahane did well in another test but they just rely too heavily on Kohli to put the runs on the board.
The only problem with this (should be) victory for England is it again papers over massive cracks.
The likes of Jennings have to go.
We can try an all-new batting lineup with the trophy secure. Drop Cook, Jennings, Bairstow, Stokes if he's unfit. Bring in Burns, Denly, Hildreth and Woakes if he's recovered.
My reading of Corbyn is that he is a rigid dogmatist wedded to a simplistic caricature of leftwing thought. Despite life-long immersion in the LP's "left opposition" his politics is astonishingly naive even by the standards of that echo chamber. His current difficulties arise from a crude application of the tradition flowing from Lenin's work "Imperialism the highest stage of Capitalism" whereby the labour movement should oppose any war waged by a capitalist country, support anti-imperialist movements the colonies (even if not socialist) etc. All against the expectation of imminent world wide revolution.
To Corbyn and his inner circle Israel is an ofshoot of Western Imperialism and must be opposed and Hamas etc are in the role of the pre-war independence movements. That is the root of the anti-semitism. That (in my opinion totally wrong) analysis then leads to supporting of, at least implicitly, Islamo-Fascist groups and not tackling anti-semitic views from some among the Moslem support that has moved to Labour. We can also add Corbyn's personal petulance when crossed and the cult carrying out two minutes of hate daily online.
The only problem with this (should be) victory for England is it again papers over massive cracks.
The likes of Jennings have to go.
We can try an all-new batting lineup with the trophy secure. Drop Cook, Jennings, Bairstow, Stokes if he's unfit. Bring in Burns, Denly, Hildreth and Woakes if he's recovered.
That sounds a bit daring for the England management....we will probably get Bell, Vince, Compton and Ballance.
My reading of Corbyn is that he is a rigid dogmatist wedded to a simplistic caricature of leftwing thought. Despite life-long immersion in the LP's "left opposition" his politics is astonishingly naive even by the standards of that echo chamber. His current difficulties arise from a crude application of the tradition flowing from Lenin's work "Imperialism the highest stage of Capitalism" whereby the labour movement should oppose any war waged by a capitalist country, support anti-imperialist movements the colonies (even if not socialist) etc. All against the expectation of imminent world wide revolution.
To Corbyn and his inner circle Israel is an ofshoot of Western Imperialism and must be opposed and Hamas etc are in the role of the pre-war independence movements. That is the root of the anti-semitism. That (in my opinion totally wrong) analysis then leads to supporting of, at least implicitly, Islamo-Fascist groups and not tackling anti-semitic views from some among the Moslem support that has moved to Labour. We can also add Corbyn's personal petulance when crossed and the cult carrying out two minutes of hate daily online.
To boil it down even to an even simpler level, America / West / Israel bad oppressors....the rest of the world oppressed, but good people. Everything that occurs is through that filter.
I mean the man even believes NATO was setup deliberately to start a cold war against the Russia.
I presume everybody is watching Super Sunday rather than the boring old cricket?
United racing back into the top 10. How could we have ever doubted Mourinho? Who knows, by the end of play our goal difference might not even be negative.
My reading of Corbyn is that he is a rigid dogmatist wedded to a simplistic caricature of leftwing thought. Despite life-long immersion in the LP's "left opposition" his politics is astonishingly naive even by the standards of that echo chamber. His current difficulties arise from a crude application of the tradition flowing from Lenin's work "Imperialism the highest stage of Capitalism" whereby the labour movement should oppose any war waged by a capitalist country, support anti-imperialist movements the colonies (even if not socialist) etc. All against the expectation of imminent world wide revolution.
To Corbyn and his inner circle Israel is an ofshoot of Western Imperialism and must be opposed and Hamas etc are in the role of the pre-war independence movements. That is the root of the anti-semitism. That (in my opinion totally wrong) analysis then leads to supporting of, at least implicitly, Islamo-Fascist groups and not tackling anti-semitic views from some among the Moslem support that has moved to Labour. We can also add Corbyn's personal petulance when crossed and the cult carrying out two minutes of hate daily online.
I presume everybody is watching Super Sunday rather than the boring old cricket?
United racing back into the top 10. How could we have ever doubted Mourinho? Who knows, by the end of play our goal difference might not even be negative.
This is where England miss a real killer fast bowler. When England rabbits go in against Australia they get the 95 mph treatment from both ends and no tailender likes that.
Ashwin is certainly not giving up. If some of the others had shown the obduracy that Bumrah has shown in both innings this could have gone very differently.
My reading of Corbyn is that he is a rigid dogmatist wedded to a simplistic caricature of leftwing thought. Despite life-long immersion in the LP's "left opposition" his politics is astonishingly naive even by the standards of that echo chamber. His current difficulties arise from a crude application of the tradition flowing from Lenin's work "Imperialism the highest stage of Capitalism" whereby the labour movement should oppose any war waged by a capitalist country, support anti-imperialist movements the colonies (even if not socialist) etc. All against the expectation of imminent world wide revolution.
To Corbyn and his inner circle Israel is an ofshoot of Western Imperialism and must be opposed and Hamas etc are in the role of the pre-war independence movements. That is the root of the anti-semitism. That (in my opinion totally wrong) analysis then leads to supporting of, at least implicitly, Islamo-Fascist groups and not tackling anti-semitic views from some among the Moslem support that has moved to Labour. We can also add Corbyn's personal petulance when crossed and the cult carrying out two minutes of hate daily online.
Yes, I wouldn't disagree with most of that, but it ignores his good points. His opposition to foreign wars is not all bad. Notably his opposition to the Iraq war. No parties position over Palestine is going to ingfluence my vote as it is not on my list of concerns.
His domestic interest in righting the generational inequality that has risen over recent decades is also a major plus in my eyes.
I am an LD though former Lab member. I cannot see myself shifting back for the forseeable, though would like to see a better leader than Vince.
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Hyufd said Corbyn would not be removed until he lost an election.
I pointed out he already has, and that it made no difference.
Your post implicitly accepts he has.
Which was my point originally.
So your post was really quite pointless.
I know you enjoy arguing with me, but can you please actually occasionally read what I'm saying before responding?
In a letter to the Guardian, the Knesset members said they commended the Labour leader for “his long-standing solidarity with all oppressed peoples around the world, including his unflinching support for the Palestinian people”.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/sep/02/israels-arab-mps-corbyn-antisemitism-row
You saw it here, some people said they were going to vote Tory to keep Corbyn out. But then the election comes along and it was all one big happy Labour family again (From Mike Gapes to Kate Hoey, Rochdale Pioneers to Gordon Brown).
Admittedly Dan Hodges didn't get back onboard - but he's the exception that proves the rule. To be fair you won't win or get particularly close with a divided party - so backing Corbyn is right if you want to see a Labour/Corbyn Gov't; When push and shove comes the tribal instinct of ticking the red box is too strong for most no matter what they thought of Corbyn before if they're not fans of the Tories so to speak.
Because I am reminded on looking at this of another Jew's wise words: 'Whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.'
His problem is that he just couldn't cope with the pressure and demands of being required to make daily decisions all while under the media spotlight (plus his tribal instincts taking over when coming to making decisions e.g. always setting things in the budget, not because the right thing to do, but to screw the Tories*).
* Osborne suffered from the same problem.
Unless some MPs grow a spine and follow Field, they'll all line up behind Corbyn. Because they'd rather have the wreath-laying friend of Hamas, who wears a nice red rosette, in Number Ten than anyone who wears a blue one.
I'm assuming we're not saying anything about the VC winning viscount who was leading UKIP.
But it does highlight how important that Kohli-Rahane partnership was. One end may have become open.
Rahane has to go through. He's capable of it. No champagne unless he's out,
'I called him an anti-Semitic racist in July and everything that has happened since then has confirmed my view that I was right.
'Particularly that video of him speaking at the 2013 conference.
'That was terrible - separating out Jews, we were different. We weren't English. We weren't British.'
Secret cameras in toilets and changing rooms are a serious problem in South Korea - with more than 6,000 cases of "spy cam porn" reported last year.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-45388759
What is that about pineapple on pizza.
http://enormo-haddock.blogspot.com/2018/09/italy-post-race-analysis-2018.html
Though arguably it has held back a Corbyn surge.
I also remember seeing snippets on Youtube of a strange Young Turks chap (who did not appear young) who ended up saying something or other about declaring a war on the Democrat Party for failing to beat Trump.
I think at 122-3 it was 50:50.
But if you think this has not seriously damaged Corbyn then you must be a Corbynista
Have you noticed the Fake Document you found chilling this morning from Red Roar was FAKE yet?
That could be a problem if he's still there at the next election.
I really didn't understand Pant's performance. Surely his job was to block and let Rahane score the runs. The Indians are so used to their top 6 delivering the goods their bowlers have forgotten how to bat.
Isralie Arab MPs , have a differing take on Corbyn.
You are assuming Pant thinks logically. He apparently has two modes of batting - the attacking shot that goes for six, and the defensive one that goes for four.
They really don’t like anyone with Pakistani Muslim heritage.
The likes of Jennings have to go.
https://twitter.com/RenaultSportF1/status/1036281747892264960
To Corbyn and his inner circle Israel is an ofshoot of Western Imperialism and must be opposed and Hamas etc are in the role of the pre-war independence movements. That is the root of the anti-semitism. That (in my opinion totally wrong) analysis then leads to supporting of, at least implicitly, Islamo-Fascist groups and not tackling anti-semitic views from some among the Moslem support that has moved to Labour. We can also add Corbyn's personal petulance when crossed and the cult carrying out two minutes of hate daily online.
Or probably something totally different.
I mean the man even believes NATO was setup deliberately to start a cold war against the Russia.
His domestic interest in righting the generational inequality that has risen over recent decades is also a major plus in my eyes.
I am an LD though former Lab member. I cannot see myself shifting back for the forseeable, though would like to see a better leader than Vince.
I wonder whether Bumrah might be the Chris Martin for a new age.