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Sunday TIMES: “May and Corbyn face double coup” #bbcpapers #tomorrowspaperstoday pic.twitter.com/qD7n75C0Mj

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  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,628
    Who hopes for a quiet Autumn on the politics front??? No-one here!
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 42,015
    Phew, glad it's not only #SNPCivilWar
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,898
    My Tebbit Chip could malfunction this afternoon :open_mouth:
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,301
    I’m guessing Vettel will be on the podium still.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,158
    Its more bumper cars than F1 this afternoon.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,631
    This is like the F2 race from earlier.
  • SquareRootSquareRoot Posts: 7,095
    I thought the story about McCartney meeting God was more interesting. I think he's losing the plot completely.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,426
    'Although if this Crosby campaign is as successful as the Tory general election campaign of 2017 I’m fully expecting the UK to Remain in the EU whilst signing up to the Euro and Schengen within weeks.'

    Is that what you meant by cats? Definitely a 'Miaouw' moment!
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,158
    Need a wicket in the cricket, another hour of this and England will be done for.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,426
    Nigelb said:

    I’m guessing Vettel will be on the podium still.

    Who cares about Formula 1? It's about time you predicted a Kohli century (which is starting to look inevitable).
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,700
    ydoethur said:

    Nigelb said:

    I’m guessing Vettel will be on the podium still.

    Who cares about Formula 1? It's about time you predicted a Kohli century (which is starting to look inevitable).
    I'm hoping for Another Richard to slag off Stuart Broad again.

    That'll ensure a hot spell where Broady takes 7 wickets for 2 runs.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,301
    ydoethur said:

    Nigelb said:

    I’m guessing Vettel will be on the podium still.

    Who cares about Formula 1? It's about time you predicted a Kohli century (which is starting to look inevitable).
    You’re right.
    The spinners are looking ragged and it’s only a matter of time before he puts them to the sword.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,158
    edited September 2018
    Jeremy Corbyn 'crossed the line' with his comments on Jews and must understand why they are 'upset' about his leadership, claims Ed Balls

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6123447/Balls-Jeremy-Corbyn-crossed-line-comments-Jews.html

    That's Brown, Hodge and Balls all having a pop this morning.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,301
    Tyres gone off; Hamilton driving for the pit stop now I think.

    I’ve given up watching the cricket as defeat is now inevitable.
  • rkrkrkrkrkrk Posts: 8,301
    More talk of plots and coups but I doubt much will happen. When May announces a Brexit deal she will be cheered on by the country not least because they will hope (probably forlornly) that's the end of endless Brexit non-news.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,426
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    Jeremy Corbyn 'crossed the line' with his comments on Jews and must understand why they are 'upset' about his leadership, claims Ed Balls

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6123447/Balls-Jeremy-Corbyn-crossed-line-comments-Jews.html

    That's Brown, Hodge and Balls all having a pop this morning.

    It is a mark of how Corbyn has changed British politics that eight years ago I would have been whistling and cheering on - their target.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,700
    Have the stewards ruled on the unsafe release by Ferrari?
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,301
    Australian-born Sir Lynton, who masterminded Mr Johnson’s London mayoral victory in 2008 and who remains a close friend, is said to be motivated by ‘revenge’ after No 10 blamed the strategist for last year’s botched General Election.

    More likely motivated by the prospect of a new leader who’ll pay him to ‘mastermind’ the next election.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,426
    Nigelb said:

    Australian-born Sir Lynton, who masterminded Mr Johnson’s London mayoral victory in 2008 and who remains a close friend, is said to be motivated by ‘revenge’ after No 10 blamed the strategist for last year’s botched General Election.

    More likely motivated by the prospect of a new leader who’ll pay him to ‘mastermind’ the next election.

    Please no.

    Some of us haven't forgotten 2005 and 2010.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,631
    Nigelb said:

    Tyres gone off; Hamilton driving for the pit stop now I think.

    I’ve given up watching the cricket as defeat is now inevitable.

    F2 and Porsche races both had big problems with left rear tyres, when they go off it happens very quickly.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,158
    There is getting yourself a ringer and then there is....

    Man Utd great plays for Royton Town in Manchester Premier League

    https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/45385162
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,206
    edited September 2018
    Sir Lynton Crosby is responsible for the only Tory general election majority in the last 25 years in 2015 and for the Tories only London Mayoral wins in 2008 and 2012 and for Australia's most electorally successful centre right leader in decades in John Howard all of whose victories he masterminded. If he is getting behind Boris again that is good news for Boris.

    Even if the public narrowly supported reversing Brexit they would never support joining the Euro and Schengen
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,426
    HYUFD said:

    Sir Lynton Crosby is responsible for the only Tory general election majority in the last 25 years in 2015 and for the Tories only London Mayoral wins in 2008 and 2012 and for Australia's most electorally successful centre right leader in decades in John Howard all of whose victories he masterminded. If he is getting behind Boris again that is good news for Boris.

    Even if the public narrowly supported reversing Brexit they would never support joining the Euro and Schengen

    He's also failed to win majorities from highly promising positions in two of the last three elections.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,690
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    Jeremy Corbyn 'crossed the line' with his comments on Jews and must understand why they are 'upset' about his leadership, claims Ed Balls

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6123447/Balls-Jeremy-Corbyn-crossed-line-comments-Jews.html

    That's Brown, Hodge and Balls all having a pop this morning.

    FAKE NEWS Jezza never mentioned Jews nor does Balls claim he did
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,752
    HYUFD said:

    Even if the public narrowly supported reversing Brexit they would never support joining the Euro and Schengen

    This is new. Suddenly the chance of people supporting a reversal of Brexit is non-zero. Previously you thought the closest relationship we could ever return to would be the single market if Chuka Umunna became PM.
  • StereotomyStereotomy Posts: 4,092
    HYUFD said:

    Sir Lynton Crosby is responsible for the only Tory general election majority in the last 25 years in 2015 and for the Tories only London Mayoral wins in 2008 and 2012 and for Australia's most electorally successful centre right leader in decades in John Howard all of whose victories he masterminded. If he is getting behind Boris again that is good news for Boris.

    Even if the public narrowly supported reversing Brexit they would never support joining the Euro and Schengen

    Er, yes, I think the Euro/Schengen comment was what's known as a joke
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,631
    edited September 2018
    Ferrari International Assistance not calling the VSC.

    One bet comes off, lay on Ricciardo.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,206
    ydoethur said:

    HYUFD said:

    Sir Lynton Crosby is responsible for the only Tory general election majority in the last 25 years in 2015 and for the Tories only London Mayoral wins in 2008 and 2012 and for Australia's most electorally successful centre right leader in decades in John Howard all of whose victories he masterminded. If he is getting behind Boris again that is good news for Boris.

    Even if the public narrowly supported reversing Brexit they would never support joining the Euro and Schengen

    He's also failed to win majorities from highly promising positions in two of the last three elections.
    Crosby was not the strategy chief in 2010, that was Osborne.

    May ignored Crosby by pushing the dementia tax in 2017
  • FregglesFreggles Posts: 3,486
    When I read that the Tory who masterminded the 2017 election campaign I thought of Nick Timothy :lol:

    I would love him to be on Team Boris... Right, let's work out who our core vote is and completely hammer them...... :trollface:
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,752
    HYUFD said:

    ydoethur said:

    HYUFD said:

    Sir Lynton Crosby is responsible for the only Tory general election majority in the last 25 years in 2015 and for the Tories only London Mayoral wins in 2008 and 2012 and for Australia's most electorally successful centre right leader in decades in John Howard all of whose victories he masterminded. If he is getting behind Boris again that is good news for Boris.

    Even if the public narrowly supported reversing Brexit they would never support joining the Euro and Schengen

    He's also failed to win majorities from highly promising positions in two of the last three elections.
    Crosby was not the strategy chief in 2010, that was Osborne.

    May ignored Crosby by pushing the dementia tax in 2017
    Nick Timothy is on team Chuck Chequers, so the omens are bad...
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,206
    edited September 2018
    williamglenn said:

    HYUFD said:

    Even if the public narrowly supported reversing Brexit they would never support joining the Euro and Schengen

    This is new. Suddenly the chance of people supporting a reversal of Brexit is non-zero. Previously you thought the closest relationship we could ever return to would be the single market if Chuka Umunna became PM.
    On the latest polling just 33% of UK voters support joining the Euro, that is about 10% less than the 40 to 45% who support No Deal hard Brexit and 20% less than the 52% who voted to Leave the EU (including those who wanted to stay in the single market)
  • BromptonautBromptonaut Posts: 1,113
    williamglenn said:

    HYUFD said:

    Even if the public narrowly supported reversing Brexit they would never support joining the Euro and Schengen

    This is new. Suddenly the chance of people supporting a reversal of Brexit is non-zero. Previously you thought the closest relationship we could ever return to would be the single market if Chuka Umunna became PM.
    Nothing has changed!

    Nothing has changed!
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,158
    Well that didn't work out well for Hamilton.
  • FregglesFreggles Posts: 3,486
    williamglenn said:

    HYUFD said:

    ydoethur said:

    HYUFD said:

    Sir Lynton Crosby is responsible for the only Tory general election majority in the last 25 years in 2015 and for the Tories only London Mayoral wins in 2008 and 2012 and for Australia's most electorally successful centre right leader in decades in John Howard all of whose victories he masterminded. If he is getting behind Boris again that is good news for Boris.

    Even if the public narrowly supported reversing Brexit they would never support joining the Euro and Schengen

    He's also failed to win majorities from highly promising positions in two of the last three elections.
    Crosby was not the strategy chief in 2010, that was Osborne.

    May ignored Crosby by pushing the dementia tax in 2017
    Nick Timothy is on team Chuck Chequers, so the omens are bad...
    Oof bit of juxtaposition with my post there. Reprogramming needed?
  • StereotomyStereotomy Posts: 4,092
    Also it's weird that Johnson is planning a campaign against Chequers, given that Chequers seems dead in the water
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,631
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    Well that didn't work out well for Hamilton.

    Wingman about to do his job.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,206
    williamglenn said:

    HYUFD said:

    ydoethur said:

    HYUFD said:

    Sir Lynton Crosby is responsible for the only Tory general election majority in the last 25 years in 2015 and for the Tories only London Mayoral wins in 2008 and 2012 and for Australia's most electorally successful centre right leader in decades in John Howard all of whose victories he masterminded. If he is getting behind Boris again that is good news for Boris.

    Even if the public narrowly supported reversing Brexit they would never support joining the Euro and Schengen

    He's also failed to win majorities from highly promising positions in two of the last three elections.
    Crosby was not the strategy chief in 2010, that was Osborne.

    May ignored Crosby by pushing the dementia tax in 2017
    Nick Timothy is on team Chuck Chequers, so the omens are bad...
    So what Olly Robbins is the new Nick Timothy but Nick Timothy is not close to Boris unlike Crosby
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,700
    Stereotomy said:

    Also it's weird that Johnson is planning a campaign against Chequers, given that Chequers seems dead in the water

    https://twitter.com/TSEofPB/status/1036245004593836033
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,158
    India making this pitch look like a Day 1 track.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,206
    edited September 2018
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Stereotomy said:

    Also it's weird that Johnson is planning a campaign against Chequers, given that Chequers seems dead in the water

    https://twitter.com/TSEofPB/status/1036245004593836033
    Yet just last week he said he would offer the UK 'an unprecedented deal never given to any other country', which suggests fag paper difference from Chequers
    https://www.politico.eu/article/michel-barnier-eu-will-offer-uk-unprecedented-deal/amp/
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,690
    Root is a shite captain.

    Getting there in singles
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,752
    HYUFD said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Stereotomy said:

    Also it's weird that Johnson is planning a campaign against Chequers, given that Chequers seems dead in the water

    https://twitter.com/TSEofPB/status/1036245004593836033
    Yet just last week he said he would offer the UK 'an unprecedented deal never given to any other country', which suggests fag paper difference from Chequers
    https://www.politico.eu/article/michel-barnier-eu-will-offer-uk-unprecedented-deal/amp/
    It doesn't suggest any such thing. Offering a third country to be in the single market and customs union is also unprecedented.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,631
    edited September 2018
    williamglenn said:

    HYUFD said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Stereotomy said:

    Also it's weird that Johnson is planning a campaign against Chequers, given that Chequers seems dead in the water

    https://twitter.com/TSEofPB/status/1036245004593836033
    Yet just last week he said he would offer the UK 'an unprecedented deal never given to any other country', which suggests fag paper difference from Chequers
    https://www.politico.eu/article/michel-barnier-eu-will-offer-uk-unprecedented-deal/amp/
    It doesn't suggest any such thing. Offering a third country to be in the single market and customs union is also unprecedented.
    Why would the UK want to be ruled by Brussels but with no say in the rules?
  • FregglesFreggles Posts: 3,486
    Sandpit said:

    Go Lewis!!!

    williamglenn said:

    HYUFD said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Stereotomy said:

    Also it's weird that Johnson is planning a campaign against Chequers, given that Chequers seems dead in the water

    https://twitter.com/TSEofPB/status/1036245004593836033
    Yet just last week he said he would offer the UK 'an unprecedented deal never given to any other country', which suggests fag paper difference from Chequers
    https://www.politico.eu/article/michel-barnier-eu-will-offer-uk-unprecedented-deal/amp/
    It doesn't suggest any such thing. Offering a third country to be in the single market and customs union is also unprecedented.
    Why would the UK want to be ruled by Brussels but with no say in the rules?
    It's either that, or the same but with Washington, or economic self injury...
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,206
    Freggles said:

    Sandpit said:

    Go Lewis!!!

    williamglenn said:

    HYUFD said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Stereotomy said:

    Also it's weird that Johnson is planning a campaign against Chequers, given that Chequers seems dead in the water

    https://twitter.com/TSEofPB/status/1036245004593836033
    Yet just last week he said he would offer the UK 'an unprecedented deal never given to any other country', which suggests fag paper difference from Chequers
    https://www.politico.eu/article/michel-barnier-eu-will-offer-uk-unprecedented-deal/amp/
    It doesn't suggest any such thing. Offering a third country to be in the single market and customs union is also unprecedented.
    Why would the UK want to be ruled by Brussels but with no say in the rules?
    It's either that, or the same but with Washington, or economic self injury...
    Nobody is proposing being part of the USA
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,752
    edited September 2018
    Sandpit said:

    Why would the UK want to be ruled by Brussels but with no say in the rules?

    Indeed.

    image
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,206
    edited September 2018
    williamglenn said:

    HYUFD said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Stereotomy said:

    Also it's weird that Johnson is planning a campaign against Chequers, given that Chequers seems dead in the water

    https://twitter.com/TSEofPB/status/1036245004593836033
    Yet just last week he said he would offer the UK 'an unprecedented deal never given to any other country', which suggests fag paper difference from Chequers
    https://www.politico.eu/article/michel-barnier-eu-will-offer-uk-unprecedented-deal/amp/
    It doesn't suggest any such thing. Offering a third country to be in the single market and customs union is also unprecedented.
    Being in the single market and customs union is being in the EU in all but name with full free movement, ECJ jurisdiction, payments to Brussels and no UK free trade deals. Even Norway is outside the customs union. Obviously May would be toppled as Tory leader within 5 minutes if she even considered that
  • AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 3,081
    Good afternoon, everyone.

    On topic: Are we still in the Silly Season, or are we taking this seriously/
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,206
    edited September 2018
    williamglenn said:

    Sandpit said:

    Why would the UK want to be ruled by Brussels but with no say in the rules?

    Indeed.

    image
    As part of a Common Market not an EU Federal Superstate
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,700
    AnneJGP said:

    Good afternoon, everyone.

    On topic: Are we still in the Silly Season, or are we taking this seriously/

    It is never silly season when Mike is on holiday.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,426
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    AnneJGP said:

    Good afternoon, everyone.

    On topic: Are we still in the Silly Season, or are we taking this seriously/

    It is never silly season when Mike is on holiday.
    Crazy season?
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,631
    Go Lewis!!!
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    Theuniondivvie said:

    Phew, glad it's not only #SNPCivilWar

    #BotsForEck:

    https://www.sundaypost.com/fp/twitter-bots-involved-in-sharing-forfairness-and-snpcivilwar-posts-following-alex-salmonds-fundraising-appeal/
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,158
    CarlottaVance said:

    Theuniondivvie said:

    Phew, glad it's not only #SNPCivilWar

    #BotsForEck:

    https://www.sundaypost.com/fp/twitter-bots-involved-in-sharing-forfairness-and-snpcivilwar-posts-following-alex-salmonds-fundraising-appeal/
    Part of the perks package for working for RT?
  • FregglesFreggles Posts: 3,486
    HYUFD said:

    Freggles said:

    Sandpit said:

    Go Lewis!!!

    williamglenn said:

    HYUFD said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Stereotomy said:

    Also it's weird that Johnson is planning a campaign against Chequers, given that Chequers seems dead in the water

    https://twitter.com/TSEofPB/status/1036245004593836033
    Yet just last week he said he would offer the UK 'an unprecedented deal never given to any other country', which suggests fag paper difference from Chequers
    https://www.politico.eu/article/michel-barnier-eu-will-offer-uk-unprecedented-deal/amp/
    It doesn't suggest any such thing. Offering a third country to be in the single market and customs union is also unprecedented.
    Why would the UK want to be ruled by Brussels but with no say in the rules?
    It's either that, or the same but with Washington, or economic self injury...
    Nobody is proposing being part of the USA
    No, that would give us influence.
    Having a free trade agreement however would mean taking US regulations with no say in them
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 63,159
    AnneJGP said:

    Good afternoon, everyone.

    On topic: Are we still in the Silly Season, or are we taking this seriously/

    Seems on Brexit we go round and round with no one having a clue

    But on Corbyn and anti semitism there does seem to be a concerted attack this weekend from labours past big beasts with Blunkett, Brown, Balls and Blair all after Corbyn's group.

    It is reminiscent of the 1980's fight over militant tendency, so who will emerge as the 2018 Neil Kinnock
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,700
    edited September 2018
    The Dutch stunt (sic) didn't like that penalty.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,892
    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    AnneJGP said:

    Good afternoon, everyone.

    On topic: Are we still in the Silly Season, or are we taking this seriously/

    Seems on Brexit we go round and round with no one having a clue

    But on Corbyn and anti semitism there does seem to be a concerted attack this weekend from labours past big beasts with Blunkett, Brown, Balls and Blair all after Corbyn's group.

    It is reminiscent of the 1980's fight over militant tendency, so who will emerge as the 2018 Neil Kinnock
    None of whom are currently MPs. And the MPs have shown absolutely no inclination to follow Field out the door. If this is the best the centre left can do Corbyn will be cruising as easily as India are.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 63,159
    DavidL said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    AnneJGP said:

    Good afternoon, everyone.

    On topic: Are we still in the Silly Season, or are we taking this seriously/

    Seems on Brexit we go round and round with no one having a clue

    But on Corbyn and anti semitism there does seem to be a concerted attack this weekend from labours past big beasts with Blunkett, Brown, Balls and Blair all after Corbyn's group.

    It is reminiscent of the 1980's fight over militant tendency, so who will emerge as the 2018 Neil Kinnock
    None of whom are currently MPs. And the MPs have shown absolutely no inclination to follow Field out the door. If this is the best the centre left can do Corbyn will be cruising as easily as India are.
    Depends what is going on behind the scenes. The next two weeks will be very interesting politics
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,206
    edited September 2018
    Freggles said:

    HYUFD said:

    Freggles said:

    Sandpit said:

    Go Lewis!!!

    williamglenn said:

    HYUFD said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Stereotomy said:

    Also it's weird that Johnson is planning a campaign against Chequers, given that Chequers seems dead in the water

    https://twitter.com/TSEofPB/status/1036245004593836033
    Yet just last week he said he would offer the UK 'an unprecedented deal never given to any other country', which suggests fag paper difference from Chequers
    https://www.politico.eu/article/michel-barnier-eu-will-offer-uk-unprecedented-deal/amp/
    It doesn't suggest any such thing. Offering a third country to be in the single market and customs union is also unprecedented.
    Why would the UK want to be ruled by Brussels but with no say in the rules?
    It's either that, or the same but with Washington, or economic self injury...
    Nobody is proposing being part of the USA
    No, that would give us influence.
    Having a free trade agreement however would mean taking US regulations with no say in them
    It would give us about the same say as California.

    There is no reason we cannot ultimately have FTAs with both the EU and USA, our two biggest export destinations, without having to become mere states of one of them
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 42,015
    edited September 2018
    CarlottaVance said:

    Theuniondivvie said:

    Phew, glad it's not only #SNPCivilWar

    #BotsForEck:

    https://www.sundaypost.com/fp/twitter-bots-involved-in-sharing-forfairness-and-snpcivilwar-posts-following-alex-salmonds-fundraising-appeal/
    You're a peruser of the Sunday Post? I'd never have guessed.
    A shocking volume of bot activity.
    'One account identified last year as a suspected Russian bot yesterday retweeted dozens of posts containing #forFairness or #SNPcivilwar.
    It sent more than 100 retweets in an eight-hour period.'


  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,206
    edited September 2018
    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    AnneJGP said:

    Good afternoon, everyone.

    On topic: Are we still in the Silly Season, or are we taking this seriously/

    Seems on Brexit we go round and round with no one having a clue

    But on Corbyn and anti semitism there does seem to be a concerted attack this weekend from labours past big beasts with Blunkett, Brown, Balls and Blair all after Corbyn's group.

    It is reminiscent of the 1980's fight over militant tendency, so who will emerge as the 2018 Neil Kinnock
    Kinnock only emerged after Foot and the hard Left lost the 1983 general election by a landslide, until Corbyn loses a general election the hard Left's grip on Labour is unlikely to be removed
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,426
    @Nigelb your golden streak seems to have stopped working. Kohli really is going to score a century here.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,631
    Great bet on Lewis from Mr Dancer, he got 7 and I could only find 5.2 so didn’t bother. Damn.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,631
    HYUFD said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    AnneJGP said:

    Good afternoon, everyone.

    On topic: Are we still in the Silly Season, or are we taking this seriously/

    Seems on Brexit we go round and round with no one having a clue

    But on Corbyn and anti semitism there does seem to be a concerted attack this weekend from labours past big beasts with Blunkett, Brown, Balls and Blair all after Corbyn's group.

    It is reminiscent of the 1980's fight over militant tendency, so who will emerge as the 2018 Neil Kinnock
    Kinnock only emerged after Foot and the hard Left lost the 1983 general election by a landslide, until Corbyn loses a general election the hard Left's grip on Labour is unlikely to be removed
    They lost last year - but they seem to think they won.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,426
    I'm claiming that one!!!!

    The Beard that's feared!
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 63,159
    HYUFD said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    AnneJGP said:

    Good afternoon, everyone.

    On topic: Are we still in the Silly Season, or are we taking this seriously/

    Seems on Brexit we go round and round with no one having a clue

    But on Corbyn and anti semitism there does seem to be a concerted attack this weekend from labours past big beasts with Blunkett, Brown, Balls and Blair all after Corbyn's group.

    It is reminiscent of the 1980's fight over militant tendency, so who will emerge as the 2018 Neil Kinnock
    Kinnock only emerged after Foot and the hard Left lost the 1983 general election by a landslide, until Corbyn loses a general election the hard Left's grip on Labour is unlikely to be removed
    Agreed but a split would cause an earthquake in labour
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 63,159
    Kohli out
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,426
    HYUFD said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    AnneJGP said:

    Good afternoon, everyone.

    On topic: Are we still in the Silly Season, or are we taking this seriously/

    Seems on Brexit we go round and round with no one having a clue

    But on Corbyn and anti semitism there does seem to be a concerted attack this weekend from labours past big beasts with Blunkett, Brown, Balls and Blair all after Corbyn's group.

    It is reminiscent of the 1980's fight over militant tendency, so who will emerge as the 2018 Neil Kinnock
    Kinnock only emerged after Foot and the hard Left lost the 1983 general election by a landslide, until Corbyn loses a general election the hard Left's grip on Labour is unlikely to be removed
    He already has.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,631
    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    Kohli out

    YES!!!
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 42,015
    I like Keeley even more now. #whowritesthisshite is a reet proper hashtag.

    https://twitter.com/Misskeeleyhawes/status/1036222246665248769
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,778
    HYUFD said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    AnneJGP said:

    Good afternoon, everyone.

    On topic: Are we still in the Silly Season, or are we taking this seriously/

    Seems on Brexit we go round and round with no one having a clue

    But on Corbyn and anti semitism there does seem to be a concerted attack this weekend from labours past big beasts with Blunkett, Brown, Balls and Blair all after Corbyn's group.

    It is reminiscent of the 1980's fight over militant tendency, so who will emerge as the 2018 Neil Kinnock
    Kinnock only emerged after Foot and the hard Left lost the 1983 general election by a landslide, until Corbyn loses a general election the hard Left's grip on Labour is unlikely to be removed
    Things are far worse than 1980s. Foot may have been leader, but a) he was Left but not Marxist/Stalinist Left as per current team and b) the hard left did not have control of just about every party institution, as they do now (with a tightening due at Conference).

  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,892
    So far as May is concerned, she is trying to thread the eye of a needle from about 1,000 feet. She needs a deal that can get through the Commons that her party and the EU will sign up to. Getting it through the Commons on its own is not enough because her party can remove her.

    In addition the eye may or may not in fact exist. She may need to create it as well. Pressure from the Boris camp may not be unhelpful with this in that it shows that if the EU want a deal (and they do) the terms of that deal are going to have be in a very narrow range of options. If they try to go outside that then they risk ending up with no deal at all.

    I am a long way from May's biggest fan but I very much doubt that her own survival will be a major factor in all this. She has decided, correctly, that a deal is best for the country and she will be her best to ensure that that deal is one that will be acceptable and will stick. The fact that she would have to leave if it is not will be very much a secondary consideration.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,898
    AnneJGP said:

    Good afternoon, everyone.

    On topic: Are we still in the Silly Season, or are we taking this seriously/

    Kids go back to school this week :)
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,814
    Good afternoon, everyone.

    If you sometimes watch F1 highlights, then the Italian Grand Prix is one you will definitely want to catch. Turns out F1 can be quite good when drivers aren't nursing tyres or trying to conserve fuel.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,749
    Sandpit said:

    HYUFD said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    AnneJGP said:

    Good afternoon, everyone.

    On topic: Are we still in the Silly Season, or are we taking this seriously/

    Seems on Brexit we go round and round with no one having a clue

    But on Corbyn and anti semitism there does seem to be a concerted attack this weekend from labours past big beasts with Blunkett, Brown, Balls and Blair all after Corbyn's group.

    It is reminiscent of the 1980's fight over militant tendency, so who will emerge as the 2018 Neil Kinnock
    Kinnock only emerged after Foot and the hard Left lost the 1983 general election by a landslide, until Corbyn loses a general election the hard Left's grip on Labour is unlikely to be removed
    They lost last year - but they seem to think they won.
    They gained seats, so it can be reasonably seen as an election success, considering the expectation here even after the exit poll came out was that there would be a substantial overall Tory majority. For all his faults, Jezza had the best Labour election result in 20 years in terms of seat gains.

    It kept Labour in the game, though unknown whether it can be repeated or excelled.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 63,159
    DavidL said:

    So far as May is concerned, she is trying to thread the eye of a needle from about 1,000 feet. She needs a deal that can get through the Commons that her party and the EU will sign up to. Getting it through the Commons on its own is not enough because her party can remove her.

    In addition the eye may or may not in fact exist. She may need to create it as well. Pressure from the Boris camp may not be unhelpful with this in that it shows that if the EU want a deal (and they do) the terms of that deal are going to have be in a very narrow range of options. If they try to go outside that then they risk ending up with no deal at all.

    I am a long way from May's biggest fan but I very much doubt that her own survival will be a major factor in all this. She has decided, correctly, that a deal is best for the country and she will be her best to ensure that that deal is one that will be acceptable and will stick. The fact that she would have to leave if it is not will be very much a secondary consideration.

    Good post
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,426
    rottenborough said:

    HYUFD said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    AnneJGP said:

    Good afternoon, everyone.

    On topic: Are we still in the Silly Season, or are we taking this seriously/

    Seems on Brexit we go round and round with no one having a clue

    But on Corbyn and anti semitism there does seem to be a concerted attack this weekend from labours past big beasts with Blunkett, Brown, Balls and Blair all after Corbyn's group.

    It is reminiscent of the 1980's fight over militant tendency, so who will emerge as the 2018 Neil Kinnock
    Kinnock only emerged after Foot and the hard Left lost the 1983 general election by a landslide, until Corbyn loses a general election the hard Left's grip on Labour is unlikely to be removed
    Things are far worse than 1980s. Foot may have been leader, but a) he was Left but not Marxist/Stalinist Left as per current team and b) the hard left did not have control of just about every party institution, as they do now (with a tightening due at Conference).

    Also Foot whatever one thought of his policies was a serious political figure, a man of great intelligence, a fine speaker and a man of great personal integrity.

    Corbyn, by contrast...
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,778
    HYUFD said:

    williamglenn said:

    Sandpit said:

    Why would the UK want to be ruled by Brussels but with no say in the rules?

    Indeed.

    image
    As part of a Common Market not an EU Federal Superstate
    There is no EU Federal Superstate. It is a Boris fantasy. Jacque Delors may have wanted one, but he didn't get his wish.

    We have opted out of the most federalist aspect, the single currency.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,426
    Sandpit said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    Kohli out

    YES!!!
    Now it's Rahane that's going to get the century and see India home.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,892
    Sandpit said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    Kohli out

    YES!!!
    Need another one quickly. India still slight favourites.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    Theuniondivvie said:

    CarlottaVance said:

    Theuniondivvie said:

    Phew, glad it's not only #SNPCivilWar

    #BotsForEck:

    https://www.sundaypost.com/fp/twitter-bots-involved-in-sharing-forfairness-and-snpcivilwar-posts-following-alex-salmonds-fundraising-appeal/
    You're a peruser of the Sunday Post? I'd never have guessed.
    A shocking volume of bot activity.
    'One account identified last year as a suspected Russian bot yesterday retweeted dozens of posts containing #forFairness or #SNPcivilwar.
    It sent more than 100 retweets in an eight-hour period.'
    They found that between May 24 and September 24 last year, there were 2,284,746 tweets containing at least one of the following keywords; “scotland”, “scottish”, “sturgeon”, “indyref”, “scotref” and “snp”.

    A total of 388,406 were sent by bots.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 63,159
    Seems when Kholi was out England changed from 48% chance to 72%
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,206
    edited September 2018
    ydoethur said:

    HYUFD said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    AnneJGP said:

    Good afternoon, everyone.

    On topic: Are we still in the Silly Season, or are we taking this seriously/

    Seems on Brexit we go round and round with no one having a clue

    But on Corbyn and anti semitism there does seem to be a concerted attack this weekend from labours past big beasts with Blunkett, Brown, Balls and Blair all after Corbyn's group.

    It is reminiscent of the 1980's fight over militant tendency, so who will emerge as the 2018 Neil Kinnock
    Kinnock only emerged after Foot and the hard Left lost the 1983 general election by a landslide, until Corbyn loses a general election the hard Left's grip on Labour is unlikely to be removed
    He already has.
    Corbyn got a hung parliament after going into the general election with a Tory majority government even if the Tories still won most seats, until the Tories manage to get a majority against Corbyn Labour the hard Left's grip on Labour is unlikely to be removed.

    Indeed a new centrist party may be part of the solution, after all the SDP took 25% in 1983 and helped in the Tory landslide of that year.


    Remember Thatcher got 42% in 1983, exactly the same percentage as May got in 2017
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,158
    Cricwiz has England 71% to win...shakes head...broken model.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,631
    Sandpit said:

    Betting Post.

    Okay, here goes with the hostage to fortune. Not many exciting markets up to be honest.

    No Safety Car 1.9 £10
    Vettel to lead first lap 2.76 £10
    Ricciardo Top 6 LAY 2.1 £10
    Hamilton Podium 1.33 £20

    No Safety Car 1.9 £10 £0
    Vettel to lead first lap 2.76 £10 £0
    Ricciardo Top 6 LAY 2.1 £10 £19.10
    Hamilton Podium 1.33 £20 £26.67
    Total bet £50 total returned £45.77
    But I’d happily have paid £4 to watch Lewis stick it to the Tifosi in their own back yard :)
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,158
    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    Seems when Kholi was out England changed from 48% chance to 72%

    This is my biggest problem with Cricwiz model. In cricket a batsman can be out every ball, so the model should have that built into it. What I see is a wicket causing absolutely massive changes in %'s, as if some totally unexpected and unpredictable event has just occurred.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,631
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    Cricwiz has England 71% to win...shakes head...broken model.

    Betfair has England 1.6, 62.5% chance.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,220
    Sandpit said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    Cricwiz has England 71% to win...shakes head...broken model.

    Betfair has England 1.6, 62.5% chance.
    If the teams were switched I'd fancy England to get the runs from 126-4, but the Indian lower order follows the classic models of not quite being good enough to stick around well.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,814
    Mr. Sandpit, Ricciardo to be top 6 was one of the bets I seriously considered. Had he finished, I think he would've done it.

    Anyway, pleased to have a green result.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,426
    HYUFD said:

    ydoethur said:

    HYUFD said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    AnneJGP said:

    Good afternoon, everyone.

    On topic: Are we still in the Silly Season, or are we taking this seriously/

    Seems on Brexit we go round and round with no one having a clue

    But on Corbyn and anti semitism there does seem to be a concerted attack this weekend from labours past big beasts with Blunkett, Brown, Balls and Blair all after Corbyn's group.

    It is reminiscent of the 1980's fight over militant tendency, so who will emerge as the 2018 Neil Kinnock
    Kinnock only emerged after Foot and the hard Left lost the 1983 general election by a landslide, until Corbyn loses a general election the hard Left's grip on Labour is unlikely to be removed
    He already has.
    Corbyn got a hung parliament after going into the general election with a Tory majority government, until the Tories manage to get a majority against Corbyn Labour the hard Left's grip on Labour is unlikely to be removed.

    Indeed a new centrist party may be part of the solution, after all the SDP took 25% in 1983 and helped in the Tory landslide of that year


    Remember Thatcher got 42% in 1983 exactly the same percentage as May got in 2017
    He still lost. That is the point. There is no way of getting rid of a Labour leader unless he resigns or is forced out Ina successful leadership election. The first only happens when the leader is vaguely self-aware and the second is no risk to Corbyn unless a plausible candidate on the left breaks ranks.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,631
    edited September 2018
    Pulpstar said:

    Sandpit said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    Cricwiz has England 71% to win...shakes head...broken model.

    Betfair has England 1.6, 62.5% chance.
    If the teams were switched I'd fancy England to get the runs from 126-4, but the Indian lower order follows the classic models of not quite being good enough to stick around well.
    Agreed.

    One of England’s strengths is that we can bat well down the order.
    England’s biggest weakness is that our specialist batsmen can’t bat for toffee.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,778
    ydoethur said:

    rottenborough said:

    HYUFD said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    AnneJGP said:

    Good afternoon, everyone.

    On topic: Are we still in the Silly Season, or are we taking this seriously/

    Seems on Brexit we go round and round with no one having a clue

    But on Corbyn and anti semitism there does seem to be a concerted attack this weekend from labours past big beasts with Blunkett, Brown, Balls and Blair all after Corbyn's group.

    It is reminiscent of the 1980's fight over militant tendency, so who will emerge as the 2018 Neil Kinnock
    Kinnock only emerged after Foot and the hard Left lost the 1983 general election by a landslide, until Corbyn loses a general election the hard Left's grip on Labour is unlikely to be removed
    Things are far worse than 1980s. Foot may have been leader, but a) he was Left but not Marxist/Stalinist Left as per current team and b) the hard left did not have control of just about every party institution, as they do now (with a tightening due at Conference).

    Also Foot whatever one thought of his policies was a serious political figure, a man of great intelligence, a fine speaker and a man of great personal integrity.

    Corbyn, by contrast...
    :+1:

  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    CarlottaVance said:

    Theuniondivvie said:

    CarlottaVance said:

    Theuniondivvie said:

    Phew, glad it's not only #SNPCivilWar

    #BotsForEck:

    https://www.sundaypost.com/fp/twitter-bots-involved-in-sharing-forfairness-and-snpcivilwar-posts-following-alex-salmonds-fundraising-appeal/
    You're a peruser of the Sunday Post? I'd never have guessed.
    A shocking volume of bot activity.
    'One account identified last year as a suspected Russian bot yesterday retweeted dozens of posts containing #forFairness or #SNPcivilwar.
    It sent more than 100 retweets in an eight-hour period.'
    They found that between May 24 and September 24 last year, there were 2,284,746 tweets containing at least one of the following keywords; “scotland”, “scottish”, “sturgeon”, “indyref”, “scotref” and “snp”.

    A total of 388,406 were sent by bots.
    Another perk of working for RT?
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,426
    Pulpstar said:

    Sandpit said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    Cricwiz has England 71% to win...shakes head...broken model.

    Betfair has England 1.6, 62.5% chance.
    If the teams were switched I'd fancy England to get the runs from 126-4, but the Indian lower order follows the classic models of not quite being good enough to stick around well.
    Rahane is the key. He has to be still there at the end if India are to win.
  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 9,857
    HYUFD said:

    ydoethur said:

    HYUFD said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    AnneJGP said:

    Good afternoon, everyone.

    On topic: Are we still in the Silly Season, or are we taking this seriously/

    Seems on Brexit we go round and round with no one having a clue

    But on Corbyn and anti semitism there does seem to be a concerted attack this weekend from labours past big beasts with Blunkett, Brown, Balls and Blair all after Corbyn's group.

    It is reminiscent of the 1980's fight over militant tendency, so who will emerge as the 2018 Neil Kinnock
    Kinnock only emerged after Foot and the hard Left lost the 1983 general election by a landslide, until Corbyn loses a general election the hard Left's grip on Labour is unlikely to be removed
    He already has.
    Corbyn got a hung parliament after going into the general election with a Tory majority government, until the Tories manage to get a majority against Corbyn Labour the hard Left's grip on Labour is unlikely to be removed.

    Indeed a new centrist party may be part of the solution, after all the SDP took 25% in 1983 and helped in the Tory landslide of that year


    Remember Thatcher got 42% in 1983 exactly the same percentage as May got in 2017
    Possibly. But Labour need an alternative potential leader. There isn't anyone at the moment. Of course it seems cliched to keep using the 'Blairite' term of abuse but they obviously need a potential leader who is neither Corbyn or Blair.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,936
    rottenborough said:

    HYUFD said:

    williamglenn said:

    Sandpit said:

    Why would the UK want to be ruled by Brussels but with no say in the rules?

    Indeed.

    As part of a Common Market not an EU Federal Superstate
    There is no EU Federal Superstate. It is a Boris fantasy. Jacque Delors may have wanted one, but he didn't get his wish.

    We have opted out of the most federalist aspect, the single currency.
    It's a one way street, it's only the speed that is different.
  • justin124justin124 Posts: 11,527
    ydoethur said:

    HYUFD said:

    ydoethur said:

    HYUFD said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    AnneJGP said:

    Good afternoon, everyone.

    On topic: Are we still in the Silly Season, or are we taking this seriously/

    Seems on Brexit we go round and round with no one having a clue

    But on Corbyn and anti semitism there does seem to be a concerted attack this weekend from labours past big beasts with Blunkett, Brown, Balls and Blair all after Corbyn's group.

    It is reminiscent of the 1980's fight over militant tendency, so who will emerge as the 2018 Neil Kinnock
    Kinnock only emerged after Foot and the hard Left lost the 1983 general election by a landslide, until Corbyn loses a general election the hard Left's grip on Labour is unlikely to be removed
    He already has.
    Corbyn got a hung parliament after going into the general election with a Tory majority government, until the Tories manage to get a majority against Corbyn Labour the hard Left's grip on Labour is unlikely to be removed.

    Indeed a new centrist party may be part of the solution, after all the SDP took 25% in 1983 and helped in the Tory landslide of that year


    Remember Thatcher got 42% in 1983 exactly the same percentage as May got in 2017
    He still lost. That is the point. There is no way of getting rid of a Labour leader unless he resigns or is forced out Ina successful leadership election. The first only happens when the leader is vaguely self-aware and the second is no risk to Corbyn unless a plausible candidate on the left breaks ranks.
    But all the parties lost the 2017 election. Theresa May only remains PM courtesy of the DUP.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,206
    ydoethur said:

    HYUFD said:

    ydoethur said:

    HYUFD said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    AnneJGP said:

    Good afternoon, everyone.

    On topic: Are we still in the Silly Season, or are we taking this seriously/

    Seems on Brexit we go round and round with no one having a clue

    But on Corbyn and anti semitism there does seem to be a concerted attack this weekend from labours past big beasts with Blunkett, Brown, Balls and Blair all after Corbyn's group.

    It is reminiscent of the 1980's fight over militant tendency, so who will emerge as the 2018 Neil Kinnock
    Kinnock only emerged after Foot and the hard Left lost the 1983 general election by a landslide, until Corbyn loses a general election the hard Left's grip on Labour is unlikely to be removed
    He already has.
    Corbyn got a hung parliament after going into the general election with a Tory majority government, until the Tories manage to get a majority against Corbyn Labour the hard Left's grip on Labour is unlikely to be removed.

    Indeed a new centrist party may be part of the solution, after all the SDP took 25% in 1983 and helped in the Tory landslide of that year


    Remember Thatcher got 42% in 1983 exactly the same percentage as May got in 2017
    He still lost. That is the point. There is no way of getting rid of a Labour leader unless he resigns or is forced out Ina successful leadership election. The first only happens when the leader is vaguely self-aware and the second is no risk to Corbyn unless a plausible candidate on the left breaks ranks.
    Until Corbynism is beaten at a general election there is no chance of a centrist making a successful leadership challenge to Corbyn or a Corbynite successor
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,778
    https://twitter.com/carldinnen/status/1036213184246554624

    This a call not to vote Labour whilst Corbyn in charge?
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