Just read the twitter thread mentioned down below. Some might Tommy Robinson had it coming, not only his previous EDL stuff but the fact where ever he goes he always seem to end up in a punch-up, but it is really rather worrying...It will also play into Robinson and even more extremists hands for recruitment.
What about if the current trial in Leeds gets declared a mistrial because of his antics and the suspects freed? Isn't that a more significant worry?
There are interestingly no reporting restrictions on Akhtar and others or so I believe at this moment in time.
Can you infer that from those numbers? I thought it’d be quite a complicated calculation to work out the net effect on GDP growth figures.
Simply this... Q1 2018 GDP growth = 0.1%; Q1 2018 GDP growth per head = -0.1%. Take away the extra heads and the economy is shrinking.
The assumption built into that is that the 411k Roumanians contributed an average amount to our output. I wouldn’t assume that of the dozens begging on the streets of Edinburgh for a start.
I take your point (and @another_richard and @MaxPB) but assuming net migration in Q1 was at 2017 levels that's 244k p.a. That's 60k per quarter. If you take away those 60k people (i.e. 0.1% of the population) do you really think we'd have seen any growth in Q1?
Depends how productive they are....
Of course there is no growth without immigration - that is why our politicians insist on it despite the express wishes of the public. If you want economic growth, you either have the existing economic resources produce more, or get more resources. Immigration is just a cover for politicians who won't take the steps necessary to address low economic growth. They live in terror of a 'recession' so they increase the population to avoid it. Of course, per capita, there is no growth at all. One of the reasons people were smart enough to vote Leave.
Large companies are the same - if the economy gets bigger (not more wealthy) they can get growth for basically doing nothing, so of course they are all for it - nice share bonuses all round. Nothing to do with skill shortages, although depressing the cost of labour is a nice bonus.
Another election which on present polls would produce almost exactly the same result as the last one?
Well, quite. Maybe things would alter with the reality of another election concentrating minds, but given noone but none of the UK wide parties has a coherent plan on Brexit other than the LDs (and I'm not too sure about that, actually) I don't see where this belief another election will help resolve matters has come from. The last election caused the logjam (well some of it anyway), why would another one clear it?
Exactly, the country is just as divided on Brexit and Corbyn as Parliament is now, which is why we have a hung Parliament in the first place
We have a hung Parliament simply because your supreme leader is absolutely crap. A vaguely competent Tory leader who actually was going to enact Brexit would be way, way ahead by now against Corbyn.
Another election which on present polls would produce almost exactly the same result as the last one?
Well, quite. Maybe things would alter with the reality of another election concentrating minds, but given noone but none of the UK wide parties has a coherent plan on Brexit other than the LDs (and I'm not too sure about that, actually) I don't see where this belief another election will help resolve matters has come from. The last election caused the logjam (well some of it anyway), why would another one clear it?
Exactly, the country is just as divided on Brexit and Corbyn as Parliament is now, which is why we have a hung Parliament in the first place
We have a hung Parliament simply because your supreme leader is absolutely crap. A vaguely competent Tory leader who actually was going to enact Brexit would be way, way ahead by now against Corbyn.
Please tell me what Labour or LD voters are suddenly going to switch to a hard Brexit backing Tory leader? UKIP have already been squeezed down to barely 1%.
A hard Brexit backing Tory leader could also lose voters to the LDs. The only Tory who polls significantly better than May is Ruth Davidson, herself a former Remainer
The problem the Italian government has is that there are no easy answers.
Firstly, Italy's problems run deeper than "austerity" and membership of the Euro. The new government doesn't seem to recognise that Italy has appalling demographics, one of the most rigid labour markets in the world and endemic corruption.
Secondly, leaving the Euro - while probably the right call - is hardly painless. None of the routes: fast exit, slow exit or parallel currency is without its problems. The biggest one is how to avoid a monumental bank run, because if the news were to leak out that Italy was leaving the Euro, then every man, woman and corporate in the country would (quite sensibly) attempt to empty every bank account they had. They probably max out their credit cards in cash advances too, if they had any sense.
The problem the Italian government has is that there are no easy answers.
Firstly, Italy's problems run deeper than "austerity" and membership of the Euro. The new government doesn't seem to recognise that Italy has appalling demographics, one of the most rigid labour markets in the world and endemic corruption.
Secondly, leaving the Euro - while probably the right call - is hardly painless. None of the routes: fast exit, slow exit or parallel currency is without its problems. The biggest one is how to avoid a monumental bank run, because if the news were to leak out that Italy was leaving the Euro, then every man, woman and corporate in the country would (quite sensibly) attempt to empty every bank account they had. They probably max out their credit cards in cash advances too, if they had any sense.
The problem the Italian government has is that there are no easy answers.
Firstly, Italy's problems run deeper than "austerity" and membership of the Euro. The new government doesn't seem to recognise that Italy has appalling demographics, one of the most rigid labour markets in the world and endemic corruption.
Secondly, leaving the Euro - while probably the right call - is hardly painless. None of the routes: fast exit, slow exit or parallel currency is without its problems. The biggest one is how to avoid a monumental bank run, because if the news were to leak out that Italy was leaving the Euro, then every man, woman and corporate in the country would (quite sensibly) attempt to empty every bank account they had. They probably max out their credit cards in cash advances too, if they had any sense.
Is there a way to do it secretly?
That is the crux of the problem. In a modern economy you need to:
- print many millions of bank notes that are distinctive and unforgeable - pass legislation to convert all bank holdings and contracts in Italy to the new Liberated and Independent Resurrection Asset (L.I.R.A.) - allow every business in Italy to change their accounting systems, point of sale systems, etc
And I'm sure there are a hundred things I haven't thought of.
The only sensible way to do it is to declare a seven day bank holiday and try and get everything sorted in that time. Any longer and you probably start to have serious problems.
This is one of those issues which, on the face of it, is an absolute outrage, but I dare not drill into the detail for fear of immersing myself in alt right lunacy and fake twitter accounts.
He was arrested for Contempt of Court, while on a suspended sentence. The 13 months appears to be because of breaching the terms of his previous conviction, rather than the new Contempt charge.
If you read the letters under the article you can see its one racist rant after an other. Not difficult to see where he or his rather odious supporters are coming from. Really quite disturbing as is the support for him on here and lo and behold some of the same posters who have been shouting loudest about Jeremy's anti semitism. Who could have predicted that?
- print many millions of bank notes that are distinctive and unforgeable
License-to-print money business opportunity: Without waiting to be asked by anybody, go ahead and print notes and coins without any text except for the denominations and store them securely. Now wait until a country somewhere needs a new currency in a hurry, and sell them to them with a generous mark-up.
- print many millions of bank notes that are distinctive and unforgeable
License-to-print money business opportunity: Without waiting to be asked by anybody, go ahead and print notes and coins without any text except for the denominations and store them securely. Now wait until a country somewhere needs a new currency in a hurry, and sell them to them with a generous mark-up.
- print many millions of bank notes that are distinctive and unforgeable
License-to-print money business opportunity: Without waiting to be asked by anybody, go ahead and print notes and coins without any text except for the denominations and store them securely. Now wait until a country somewhere needs a new currency in a hurry, and sell them to them with a generous mark-up.
That's rather a good idea.
Maybe De La Rue or whoever has already done it, there must be times when an order they expect doesn't come through and they find themselves with a bunch of workers and printing presses and nothing for them to do...
Another election which on present polls would produce almost exactly the same result as the last one?
Well, quite. Maybe things would alter with the reality of another election concentrating minds, but given noone but none of the UK wide parties has a coherent plan on Brexit other than the LDs (and I'm not too sure about that, actually) I don't see where this belief another election will help resolve matters has come from. The last election caused the logjam (well some of it anyway), why would another one clear it?
Exactly, the country is just as divided on Brexit and Corbyn as Parliament is now, which is why we have a hung Parliament in the first place
We have a hung Parliament simply because your supreme leader is absolutely crap. A vaguely competent Tory leader who actually was going to enact Brexit would be way, way ahead by now against Corbyn.
Please tell me what Labour or LD voters are suddenly going to switch to a hard Brexit backing Tory leader? UKIP have already been squeezed down to barely 1%.
A hard Brexit backing Tory leader could also lose voters to the LDs. The only Tory who polls significantly better than May is Ruth Davidson, herself a former Remainer
Sigh. 52% of people voted for Brexit (eg way more than voted for May), and of the Remainers a good chunk will vote Tory anyway. Remain support is solid with the elite and with the big leftie areas (London, Scotland) but elsewhere most Labour seats voted Leave. There are PLENTY of people who voted Leave and then voted Labour who will support a PM that actually wants to implement the referendum result and doesn't want to constantly appease the EU. Shame you don't have a leader like that.....
Can you infer that from those numbers? I thought it’d be quite a complicated calculation to work out the net effect on GDP growth figures.
Simply this... Q1 2018 GDP growth = 0.1%; Q1 2018 GDP growth per head = -0.1%. Take away the extra heads and the economy is shrinking.
The assumption built into that is that the 411k Roumanians contributed an average amount to our output. I wouldn’t assume that of the dozens begging on the streets of Edinburgh for a start.
I take your point (and @another_richard and @MaxPB) but assuming net migration in Q1 was at 2017 levels that's 244k p.a. That's 60k per quarter. If you take away those 60k people (i.e. 0.1% of the population) do you really think we'd have seen any growth in Q1?
Depends how productive they are....
Of course there is no growth without immigration - that is why our politicians insist on it despite the express wishes of the public. If you want economic growth, you either have the existing economic resources produce more, or get more resources. Immigration is just a cover for politicians who won't take the steps necessary to address low economic growth. They live in terror of a 'recession' so they increase the population to avoid it. Of course, per capita, there is no growth at all. One of the reasons people were smart enough to vote Leave.
Large companies are the same - if the economy gets bigger (not more wealthy) they can get growth for basically doing nothing, so of course they are all for it - nice share bonuses all round. Nothing to do with skill shortages, although depressing the cost of labour is a nice bonus.
+1
Immigration is not increasing per capita wealth. It is also destroying the countryside (because of massive house-building programmes), stretching resources to the limit (e.g. water supplies in the SE are becoming increasingly problematic) and diluting English values. A terrible byproduct is terrorist incidents such as the M/c Arena bombing.
Another election which on present polls would produce almost exactly the same result as the last one?
Well, quite. Maybe things would alter with the reality of another election concentrating minds, but given noone but none of the UK wide parties has a coherent plan on Brexit other than the LDs (and I'm not too sure about that, actually) I don't see where this belief another election will help resolve matters has come from. The last election caused the logjam (well some of it anyway), why would another one clear it?
Exactly, the country is just as divided on Brexit and Corbyn as Parliament is now, which is why we have a hung Parliament in the first place
We have a hung Parliament simply because your supreme leader is absolutely crap. A vaguely competent Tory leader who actually was going to enact Brexit would be way, way ahead by now against Corbyn.
Please tell me what Labour or LD voters are suddenly going to switch to a hard Brexit backing Tory leader? UKIP have already been squeezed down to barely 1%.
A hard Brexit backing Tory leader could also lose voters to the LDs. The only Tory who polls significantly better than May is Ruth Davidson, herself a former Remainer
Sigh. 52% of people voted for Brexit (eg way more than voted for May), and of the Remainers a good chunk will vote Tory anyway. Remain support is solid with the elite and with the big leftie areas (London, Scotland) but elsewhere most Labour seats voted Leave. There are PLENTY of people who voted Leave and then voted Labour who will support a PM that actually wants to implement the referendum result and doesn't want to constantly appease the EU. Shame you don't have a leader like that.....
Huge chunk of wishful thinking there and both electoral and recent polling evidence is against you .
Another election which on present polls would produce almost exactly the same result as the last one?
Well, quite. Maybe things would alter with the reality of another election concentrating minds, but given noone but none of the UK wide parties has a coherent plan on Brexit other than the LDs (and I'm not too sure about that, actually) I don't see where this belief another election will help resolve matters has come from. The last election caused the logjam (well some of it anyway), why would another one clear it?
Exactly, the country is just as divided on Brexit and Corbyn as Parliament is now, which is why we have a hung Parliament in the first place
We have a hung Parliament simply because your supreme leader is absolutely crap. A vaguely competent Tory leader who actually was going to enact Brexit would be way, way ahead by now against Corbyn.
Please tell me what Labour or LD voters are suddenly going to switch to a hard Brexit backing Tory leader? UKIP have already been squeezed down to barely 1%.
A hard Brexit backing Tory leader could also lose voters to the LDs. The only Tory who polls significantly better than May is Ruth Davidson, herself a former Remainer
Sigh. 52% of people voted for Brexit (eg way more than voted for May), and of the Remainers a good chunk will vote Tory anyway. Remain support is solid with the elite and with the big leftie areas (London, Scotland) but elsewhere most Labour seats voted Leave. There are PLENTY of people who voted Leave and then voted Labour who will support a PM that actually wants to implement the referendum result and doesn't want to constantly appease the EU. Shame you don't have a leader like that.....
If Diamond Brexit is such an electoral panacea, why aren't Tory MPs falling over themselves to demand it?
Or perhaps it's a little more nuanced than you like to make out. Perhaps, different people have different priorities. Perhaps the 52% encompass a variety of hues: EEA-ers like SeanT and Richard_Tyndall, protectionists, Atlanticists, Empire 2.0ers, socialists who feel the EU holds back the UK from state aid, and a 101 different strains.
Another election which on present polls would produce almost exactly the same result as the last one?
Well, quite. Maybe things would alter with the reality of another election concentrating minds, but given noone but none of the UK wide parties has a coherent plan on Brexit other than the LDs (and I'm not too sure about that, actually) I don't see where this belief another election will help resolve matters has come from. The last election caused the logjam (well some of it anyway), why would another one clear it?
Exactly, the country is just as divided on Brexit and Corbyn as Parliament is now, which is why we have a hung Parliament in the first place
We have a hung Parliament simply because your supreme leader is absolutely crap. A vaguely competent Tory leader who actually was going to enact Brexit would be way, way ahead by now against Corbyn.
Please tell me what Labour or LD voters are suddenly going to switch to a hard Brexit backing Tory leader? UKIP have already been squeezed down to barely 1%.
A hard Brexit backing Tory leader could also lose voters to the LDs. The only Tory who polls significantly better than May is Ruth Davidson, herself a former Remainer
Sigh. 52% of people voted for Brexit (eg way more than voted for May), and of the Remainers a good chunk will vote Tory anyway. Remain support is solid with the elite and with the big leftie areas (London, Scotland) but elsewhere most Labour seats voted Leave. There are PLENTY of people who voted Leave and then voted Labour who will support a PM that actually wants to implement the referendum result and doesn't want to constantly appease the EU. Shame you don't have a leader like that.....
There are also a few Labour Leavers who chose to vote for a man who felt that we didn't have enough unskilled immigration from the third world.
Another election which on present polls would produce almost exactly the same result as the last one?
Well, quite. Maybe things would alter with the reality of another election concentrating minds, but given noone but none of the UK wide parties has a coherent plan on Brexit other than the LDs (and I'm not too sure about that, actually) I don't see where this belief another election will help resolve matters has come from. The last election caused the logjam (well some of it anyway), why would another one clear it?
Exactly, the country is just as divided on Brexit and Corbyn as Parliament is now, which is why we have a hung Parliament in the first place
We have a hung Parliament simply because your supreme leader is absolutely crap. A vaguely competent Tory leader who actually was going to enact Brexit would be way, way ahead by now against Corbyn.
We need someone with leadership experience who believes in Brexit. It can only be Tony Abbott.
F1: I don't see why they put the times back an hour in Europe. But they have. So the pre-qualifying thingummyjig may be up shortly after midday, depending on whether I have time. If not, it'll be up beforehand.
Incidentally, BBC News at Ten had a segment on Scotland possibly using the pound without a currency union. Good subject, except Sarah Smith failed to point out the glaring problems with such an approach (she did, I think, say there's be no central bank etc, but failed to elaborate about the significant consequences for the financial services sector). Morris Dancer was not impressed.
Can you infer that from those numbers? I thought it’d be quite a complicated calculation to work out the net effect on GDP growth figures.
Simply this... Q1 2018 GDP growth = 0.1%; Q1 2018 GDP growth per head = -0.1%. Take away the extra heads and the economy is shrinking.
The assumption built into that is that the 411k Roumanians contributed an average amount to our output. I wouldn’t assume that of the dozens begging on the streets of Edinburgh for a start.
I take your point (and @another_richard and @MaxPB) but assuming net migration in Q1 was at 2017 levels that's 244k p.a. That's 60k per quarter. If you take away those 60k people (i.e. 0.1% of the population) do you really think we'd have seen any growth in Q1?
Depends how productive they are....
Of course there is no growth without immigration - that is why our politicians insist on it despite the express wishes of the public. If you want economic growth, you either have the existing economic resources produce more, or get more resources. Immigration is just a cover for politicians who won't take the steps necessary to address low economic growth. They live in terror of a 'recession' so they increase the population to avoid it. Of course, per capita, there is no growth at all. One of the reasons people were smart enough to vote Leave.
Large companies are the same - if the economy gets bigger (not more wealthy) they can get growth for basically doing nothing, so of course they are all for it - nice share bonuses all round. Nothing to do with skill shortages, although depressing the cost of labour is a nice bonus.
+1
Immigration is not increasing per capita wealth. It is also destroying the countryside (because of massive house-building programmes), stretching resources to the limit (e.g. water supplies in the SE are becoming increasingly problematic) and diluting English values. A terrible byproduct is terrorist incidents such as the M/c Arena bombing.
The Manchester Arena bomber was a local Sunni Muslim, born in, er, Manchester. What kind of immigration policy exactly are you promoting?
That plan sees overly complicated and reliant on luck and continued support during turbulent years to come. What if the Tories do poorly in Holyrood in 2021, Davidson's stock would immediately plummet, and even if they do well what if she didn't then win a seat in 2022? And that's not counting all the steps years ahead of those steps.
Davidson won her seat by 600 voted where the pro independence Greens put up a candidate who got 4000 plus votes, the Greens don't normally.put up constituency candidates. The Tories could easily gain seats at the next Holyrood election whilst Davidson loses hers.
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Large companies are the same - if the economy gets bigger (not more wealthy) they can get growth for basically doing nothing, so of course they are all for it - nice share bonuses all round. Nothing to do with skill shortages, although depressing the cost of labour is a nice bonus.
A hard Brexit backing Tory leader could also lose voters to the LDs. The only Tory who polls significantly better than May is Ruth Davidson, herself a former Remainer
https://mobile.twitter.com/Official_MRLP/status/999964616250699777
https://twitter.com/FinancialTimes/status/1000183071285669888
https://twitter.com/leonardocarella/status/1000101406542651392
Firstly, Italy's problems run deeper than "austerity" and membership of the Euro. The new government doesn't seem to recognise that Italy has appalling demographics, one of the most rigid labour markets in the world and endemic corruption.
Secondly, leaving the Euro - while probably the right call - is hardly painless. None of the routes: fast exit, slow exit or parallel currency is without its problems. The biggest one is how to avoid a monumental bank run, because if the news were to leak out that Italy was leaving the Euro, then every man, woman and corporate in the country would (quite sensibly) attempt to empty every bank account they had. They probably max out their credit cards in cash advances too, if they had any sense.
https://twitter.com/MSmithsonPB/status/1000220104859226112
- print many millions of bank notes that are distinctive and unforgeable
- pass legislation to convert all bank holdings and contracts in Italy to the new Liberated and Independent Resurrection Asset (L.I.R.A.)
- allow every business in Italy to change their accounting systems, point of sale systems, etc
And I'm sure there are a hundred things I haven't thought of.
The only sensible way to do it is to declare a seven day bank holiday and try and get everything sorted in that time. Any longer and you probably start to have serious problems.
Immigration is not increasing per capita wealth. It is also destroying the countryside (because of massive house-building programmes), stretching resources to the limit (e.g. water supplies in the SE are becoming increasingly problematic) and diluting English values. A terrible byproduct is terrorist incidents such as the M/c Arena bombing.
Or perhaps it's a little more nuanced than you like to make out. Perhaps, different people have different priorities. Perhaps the 52% encompass a variety of hues: EEA-ers like SeanT and Richard_Tyndall, protectionists, Atlanticists, Empire 2.0ers, socialists who feel the EU holds back the UK from state aid, and a 101 different strains.
Oh wait. That was all of them.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/technology/europe-not-the-us-is-now-the-most-powerful-regulator-of-silicon-valley/2018/05/25
http://www2.politicalbetting.com/?p=103684
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Perhaps those older rural Catholics are more forgiving than the surface shows.