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Following a glowing write-up by Fraser Nelson in The Telegraph this morning there’s been a lot of been a fair bit of betting interest in the Home Secretary for next Conservative leader.
Btw, feel free to add my name to the PB Remainers spreadsheet. Left of centre one too. Though I tend not to opine on Brexit, as I feel I am not changing anyone's views anytime soon, and am not particularly passionate about my own. I have heard nothing to convince me I made the wrong choice though.
I'm a social liberal. I'm an internationalist. I'm a free marketeer. I believe (vehemently) in looking after the poorest in society. I'm instinctively wary of anything anti-democratic; anything that distances a democratic voice further away from the dispossessed and nearer to the elites. Hence my dislike of the EU.
Incidentally, I think the idea of a union of lots of countries is GREAT. I just think the EU has become bloated and elitist and thinks it knows best (when it doesn't). They've put their political ideology before the people of Greece and they will put the political ideology before a sensible deal over Brexit.
The coat of arms of the Duchess of Sussex have been revealed. Rumours that it would contain two fingers rampant to BREXIT appear to have been 52% inaccurate and 48% boll*cks
I'm a social liberal. I'm an internationalist. I'm a free marketeer. I believe (vehemently) in looking after the poorest in society. I'm instinctively wary of anything anti-democratic; anything that distances a democratic voice further away from the dispossessed and nearer to the elites. Hence my dislike of the EU.
Incidentally, I think the idea of a union of lots of countries is GREAT. I just think the EU has become bloated and elitist and thinks it knows best (when it doesn't). They've put their political ideology before the people of Greece and they will put the political ideology before a sensible deal over Brexit.
I'm a social liberal. I'm an internationalist. I'm a free marketeer. I believe (vehemently) in looking after the poorest in society. I'm instinctively wary of anything anti-democratic; anything that distances a democratic voice further away from the dispossessed and nearer to the elites. Hence my dislike of the EU.
Incidentally, I think the idea of a union of lots of countries is GREAT. I just think the EU has become bloated and elitist and thinks it knows best (when it doesn't). They've put their political ideology before the people of Greece and they will put the political ideology before a sensible deal over Brexit.
Many disagree with me, but that's cool.
Think his ukip answer was to the gap between Cam and May's poll scores, not aimed at you.
I'm a social liberal. I'm an internationalist. I'm a free marketeer. I believe (vehemently) in looking after the poorest in society. I'm instinctively wary of anything anti-democratic; anything that distances a democratic voice further away from the dispossessed and nearer to the elites. Hence my dislike of the EU.
Incidentally, I think the idea of a union of lots of countries is GREAT. I just think the EU has become bloated and elitist and thinks it knows best (when it doesn't). They've put their political ideology before the people of Greece and they will put the political ideology before a sensible deal over Brexit.
Many disagree with me, but that's cool.
Think his ukip answer was to the gap between Cam and May's poll scores, not aimed at you.
Re Javid. There appears to be a rising star tipped to be next leader in the Conservative Party almost monthly. Williamson, Hunt, Raab, Mordaunt, before that Rudd, Green, Patel, etc, etc. As well as Mogg and Boris and Gove et al. Meanwhile Mrs May carries on, if not serenely, then without serious challenge.
I'm a social liberal. I'm an internationalist. I'm a free marketeer. I believe (vehemently) in looking after the poorest in society. I'm instinctively wary of anything anti-democratic; anything that distances a democratic voice further away from the dispossessed and nearer to the elites. Hence my dislike of the EU.
Incidentally, I think the idea of a union of lots of countries is GREAT. I just think the EU has become bloated and elitist and thinks it knows best (when it doesn't). They've put their political ideology before the people of Greece and they will put the political ideology before a sensible deal over Brexit.
Many disagree with me, but that's cool.
I always had you down for a Conservative voter.
I voted for Cameron.
But then. SACRILEGE ALERT.
I voted for Blair!
I was in Majorca during last year's GE so didn't vote. And I'll admit I thought May would win a 50 seat majority even despite a shite campaign.
I never liked Brown. I thought he was a covetous bully. I don't like May. I think she's an uncurious, cautious non-entity.
I didn't mind Ed Miliband because he had ideas. I like people with ideas. I liked David Laws and Norman Lamb. I like Michael Gove. I liked Ken Clarke. I always liked Alan Johnson (although I doubt he would've had the skills to be PM).
I think Ruth Davidson would be a magnificent PM. Her ideas chime with mine. She's very articulate and charming and funny. Very likeable, very smart; very persuasive.
I'd go for Javid in a shot - just to put another one in the eye of the Labour party
After Javid's macho pose in front of the Home Office one may only wonder what striking affectation at the portal of 10 Downing Street we would be entertained to.
My vote is for bear chested mounted on a white charger, a la Putin, whilst carrying a pair of pearl handled six shooters and declaring "make my day punks" to the assembled fourth estate.
I know there are quite a few banned PB Leavers (iSam, NigeForEngland, Rod Crosby)
But there are also banned PB Remainers (I think they're remain !)
James Kelly Mick Pork The Right Reverend Stuart Campbell
Can anyone spot the connection between them ?
Banned Remainer here (not one of the three you list though)...rejoined so I can be added to the Remain tally. Thought it was Stuart Dickson not Campbell?
I'm a social liberal. I'm an internationalist. I'm a free marketeer. I believe (vehemently) in looking after the poorest in society. I'm instinctively wary of anything anti-democratic; anything that distances a democratic voice further away from the dispossessed and nearer to the elites. Hence my dislike of the EU.
Incidentally, I think the idea of a union of lots of countries is GREAT. I just think the EU has become bloated and elitist and thinks it knows best (when it doesn't). They've put their political ideology before the people of Greece and they will put the political ideology before a sensible deal over Brexit.
Many disagree with me, but that's cool.
I always had you down for a Conservative voter.
I voted for Cameron.
But then. SACRILEGE ALERT.
I voted for Blair!
I was in Majorca during last year's GE so didn't vote. And I'll admit I thought May would win a 50 seat majority even despite a shite campaign.
I never liked Brown. I thought he was a covetous bully. I don't like May. I think she's an uncurious, cautious non-entity.
I didn't mind Ed Miliband because he had ideas. I like people with ideas. I liked David Laws and Norman Lamb. I like Michael Gove. I liked Ken Clarke. I always liked Alan Johnson (although I doubt he would've had the skills to be PM).
I think Ruth Davidson would be a magnificent PM. Her ideas chime with mine. She's very articulate and charming and funny. Very likeable, very smart; very persuasive.
A lesbian mother - yup she might edge Javid - and with the added bonus of annoying both the nats and the Labour party!
OGH - Can Javid do it? Don’t know and in recent times baldies have not prospered in the role. Just think Hague and IDS.
Let's hear it for the baldies!
Well we have had more baldies than beardies as PM, the last one was Lord Salisbury whereas Churchill and Attlee were both bald. Corbyn of course is bearded
More wonderful ideas form the EU - My email inbox has been filled up with "privacy" nonsense all week and now EU citizens are unable to access some large websites in US
May I just point out that actually JRM does not need the support of 150 or more MPs in a leadership race, the actual number is just 106 MPs at most. This figure is arrived at by the number of Conservative MPs and dividing simply by 3. The last two candidates in the MP voting stage go through to a member ballot, therefore if JRM achieved 106 MPs votes he would mathematically have to be on the member ballot paper.
Of course as the number of MPs who vote for the winner of ballot increases past 106 the number required to finish second actually reduces. So for example if the winner got 150 MP votes the number presently required by the runner up would fall to only 84 votes.
More wonderful ideas form the EU - My email inbox has been filled up with "privacy" nonsense all week and now EU citizens are unable to access some large websites in US
You can still see the New York Times, which suggests the story is litres about the new law and more about the hysterical reaction to it by some people (who possibly have an agenda).
More wonderful ideas form the EU - My email inbox has been filled up with "privacy" nonsense all week and now EU citizens are unable to access some large websites in US
More wonderful ideas form the EU - My email inbox has been filled up with "privacy" nonsense all week and now EU citizens are unable to access some large websites in US
May I just point out that actually JRM does not need the support of 150 or more MPs in a leadership race, the actual number is just 106 MPs at most. This figure is arrived at by the number of Conservative MPs and dividing simply by 3. The last two candidates in the MP voting stage go through to a member ballot, therefore if JRM achieved 106 MPs votes he would mathematically have to be on the member ballot paper.
Of course as the number of MPs who vote for the winner of ballot increases past 106 the number required to finish second actually reduces. So for example if the winner got 150 MP votes the number presently required by the runner up would fall to only 84 votes.
Thank you. That's a really good point. I have been taking comfort that he'd have to get a half to be in the final two. 106 (possibly less) is doable. I've been laying Rees-Mogg as next leader. Now I'm not so sure. If he is the final two, he has a good chance.
May I just point out that actually JRM does not need the support of 150 or more MPs in a leadership race, the actual number is just 106 MPs at most. This figure is arrived at by the number of Conservative MPs and dividing simply by 3. The last two candidates in the MP voting stage go through to a member ballot, therefore if JRM achieved 106 MPs votes he would mathematically have to be on the member ballot paper.
Of course as the number of MPs who vote for the winner of ballot increases past 106 the number required to finish second actually reduces. So for example if the winner got 150 MP votes the number presently required by the runner up would fall to only 84 votes.
Thank you. That's a really good point. I have been taking comfort that he'd have to get a half to be in the final two. 106 (possibly less) is doable. I've been laying Rees-Mogg as next leader. Now I'm not so sure. If he is the final two, he has a good chance.
Andrea Leadsom got 84 votes in summer 2016 and would have gone to the membership against May had she not pulled out.
The risk Mogg may replace May is clearly another factor keeping May in place for many Tory MPs
May I just point out that actually JRM does not need the support of 150 or more MPs in a leadership race, the actual number is just 106 MPs at most. This figure is arrived at by the number of Conservative MPs and dividing simply by 3. The last two candidates in the MP voting stage go through to a member ballot, therefore if JRM achieved 106 MPs votes he would mathematically have to be on the member ballot paper.
Of course as the number of MPs who vote for the winner of ballot increases past 106 the number required to finish second actually reduces. So for example if the winner got 150 MP votes the number presently required by the runner up would fall to only 84 votes.
Thank you. That's a really good point. I have been taking comfort that he'd have to get a half to be in the final two. 106 (possibly less) is doable. I've been laying Rees-Mogg as next leader. Now I'm not so sure. If he is the final two, he has a good chance.
The question is just not whether a hardline Leaver gets to the final two, though I don't think that's automatic. Let's assume there are 130 headbanger Conservative MPs who see Brexit as the sole measure of the quality of a candidate. For Jacob Rees-Mogg to succeed, he must not only harvest most of their votes, he must get past other hardline Leaver candidates, many of whom will be throwing their hats into the ring. Among the relevant subset of MPs, will he be preferred to Boris Johnson, Michael Gove, Liam Fox and Andrea Leadsom? He has to be enough MPs' first (or near-first) choice to get into the final stages. Right now, I don't see that. I'm sceptical he'll even stand.
May I just point out that actually JRM does not need the support of 150 or more MPs in a leadership race, the actual number is just 106 MPs at most. This figure is arrived at by the number of Conservative MPs and dividing simply by 3. The last two candidates in the MP voting stage go through to a member ballot, therefore if JRM achieved 106 MPs votes he would mathematically have to be on the member ballot paper.
Of course as the number of MPs who vote for the winner of ballot increases past 106 the number required to finish second actually reduces. So for example if the winner got 150 MP votes the number presently required by the runner up would fall to only 84 votes.
Thank you. That's a really good point. I have been taking comfort that he'd have to get a half to be in the final two. 106 (possibly less) is doable. I've been laying Rees-Mogg as next leader. Now I'm not so sure. If he is the final two, he has a good chance.
The question is just not whether a hardline Leaver gets to the final two, though I don't think that's automatic. Let's assume there are 130 headbanger Conservative MPs who see Brexit as the sole measure of the quality of a candidate. For Jacob Rees-Mogg to succeed, he must not only harvest most of their votes, he must get past other hardline Leaver candidates, many of whom will be throwing their hats into the ring. Among the relevant subset of MPs, will he be preferred to Boris Johnson, Michael Gove, Liam Fox and Andrea Leadsom? He has to be enough MPs' first (or near-first) choice to get into the final stages. Right now, I don't see that. I'm sceptical he'll even stand.
Right now Johnson v Javid looks like the most likely choice for MPs to send to members in my view, with Gove and Mogg backing Boris in the end
The main problem for JRM is that he haws constantly stated he does not want to be PM, however, as his popularity soars with the membership he could well accept his name going forward. 'If' JRM is on the MPs ballot paper then it is more than likely that he will be on the members ballot paper as he is actually well liked and more importantly 'respected' by many MPs - with the exception of the die-hard anti-Brexiter group.
Of course also in JRM's favour is he is chairman of the ERG who have an undeclared membership number but lies somewhere between 60 - 80 members, and then it will all be down to who out of Gove, Johnson, and JRM get least votes initially and are therefore removed and who they then back for leader. My feeling is that JRM will be seen by many non-committed MPs who do not want Johnson or Gove as leader and PM will plum for JRM knowing that he would crucify Corbyn, et al, and at least be the most likely to bring a Conservative majority at the next election. (I also happen to know that presently many 'party members' are letting their MPs know their choice.)
Theresa May should have taken the risk and offered JRM a Cabinet post, but instead she fears him, and when the PM fears someone then you know there must be something good about that person. LOL
May I just point out that actually JRM does not need the support of 150 or more MPs in a leadership race, the actual number is just 106 MPs at most. This figure is arrived at by the number of Conservative MPs and dividing simply by 3. The last two candidates in the MP voting stage go through to a member ballot, therefore if JRM achieved 106 MPs votes he would mathematically have to be on the member ballot paper.
Of course as the number of MPs who vote for the winner of ballot increases past 106 the number required to finish second actually reduces. So for example if the winner got 150 MP votes the number presently required by the runner up would fall to only 84 votes.
Thank you. That's a really good point. I have been taking comfort that he'd have to get a half to be in the final two. 106 (possibly less) is doable. I've been laying Rees-Mogg as next leader. Now I'm not so sure. If he is the final two, he has a good chance.
The question is just not whether a hardline Leaver gets to the final two, though I don't think that's automatic. Let's assume there are 130 headbanger Conservative MPs who see Brexit as the sole measure of the quality of a candidate. For Jacob Rees-Mogg to succeed, he must not only harvest most of their votes, he must get past other hardline Leaver candidates, many of whom will be throwing their hats into the ring. Among the relevant subset of MPs, will he be preferred to Boris Johnson, Michael Gove, Liam Fox and Andrea Leadsom? He has to be enough MPs' first (or near-first) choice to get into the final stages. Right now, I don't see that. I'm sceptical he'll even stand.
I assume there will be at least ONE leaver candidate in the final two. That candidate, whoever it is, I assume will win in a vote of the party faithful against any remainer.
So remainer MPs will know they are wasting their time voting for a remainer candidate. They will need to vote tactically for a leaver so that there are TWO leaver candidates, and try to squeeze out the least desirable (assume Rees Mogg). They need to collude and split say 90 for Gove and 90 for Johnson. Even if the 130 leavers go heavily for Rees-Mogg, then Gove and Johnson should pick up at least 16 votes each out of the 130. So the party members will have to choose between Gove and Johnson.
I am also however a democrat and a realist, two ways that puts me seriously at odds with the EU and the current fascist cabal leadership of the Commission and their more hysterical and frankly less intelligent supporters on here. I accept we are leaving and there is nothing I can do to stop it.
I am also fuming at the EU who out of sheer bone-headed stupidity are making it virtually impossible for us to (a) leave without causing vast damage to everyone including them and (b) making it damn near impossible for us to rejoin should we later wish to do so.
I also don't think Barnier, a man who was illegally appointed to his post before being cravenly confirmed by the spineless leaders of the EU governments, has a long track record of breaking laws that don't suit him and is frankly neither very intelligent or very experienced should in any way be involved in negotiations, and that goes double for Juncker and Selmayr who are not just demonstrably morally and intellectually unfit to hold any sort of public office but shouldn't according to EU law even be in the room at all during negotiations much less speaking during them. They have resulted, given our negotiators are equally useless, in the predictable car crash.
However, that still doesn't make the economic damage which undoubtedly tip Europe (rather than us) further towards Fascism worth the game. If there were a second referendum with the option to withdraw A50, I'd vote for it. But since there isn't time for a second referendum and since notwithstanding the lies of the Blairite stooge who wrote it there is no way of withdrawing A50, I won't, and I would rather make the best of the world as it is than the world as I'd like it to be.
I think Jonathan and YDoethur voted Remain and MyBurningEyes voted Leave.
And is Anazina really the same person as Bobajob ?
Did Ydoethur really vote to remain ?! Edit: OK Sorry thought you voted to leave
Why is it that you have to say something fifty times before people will believe you?
Do you have to be totally uncritical of the very many serious flaws and weaknesses of the EU before you are accepted as a Remainer? Because if so pretty well the entire bloody continent outside Luxembourg would vote Leave!
I think Jonathan and YDoethur voted Remain and MyBurningEyes voted Leave.
And is Anazina really the same person as Bobajob ?
Did Ydoethur really vote to remain ?! Edit: OK Sorry thought you voted to leave
Why is it that you have to say something fifty times before people will believe you?
Do you have to be totally uncritical of the very many serious flaws and weaknesses of the EU before you are accepted as a Remainer? Because if so pretty well the entire bloody continent outside Luxembourg would vote Leave!
I assume there will be at least ONE leaver candidate in the final two. That candidate, whoever it is, I assume will win in a vote of the party faithful against any remainer.
So remainer MPs will know they are wasting their time voting for a remainer candidate. They will need to vote tactically for a leaver so that there are TWO leaver candidates, and try to squeeze out the least desirable (assume Rees Mogg). They need to collude and split say 90 for Gove and 90 for Johnson. Even if the 130 leavers go heavily for Rees-Mogg, then Gove and Johnson should pick up at least 16 votes each out of the 130. So the party members will have to choose between Gove and Johnson.
If there's a pre-Brexit change then there will be a leaver in the final two. Post Brexit, and if the change is in government then it'll probably be down to the front-runners, but even then it could be almost any MP - Leadsom suddenly springing to prominence tells us this. Outside of government I think it's almost nailed on that an outsider will be in the mix. It's the Tory way and also makes some sense in that the front-runners have been partly responsible for the Tories not being in power in the first place.
I know you'll think I'm mad, but I have tiny stake on Owen Patterson, and a pretty small stake on one other fairly anonymous back-bencher.
I think it's the most fascinating of markets.
In normal times that crown would have gone to the Labour leadership market - I'll almost be sorry to see Corbyn go in that such a fascinating market will be lost. There's some extraordinary prices at which I've traded on Betfair (mostly, but not exclusively, extraordinary in my favour. I must have got nervous at some point as I backed Angela Eagle at avg odds of 5.26.. . In hindsight, what on earth was I thinking!)
With how far the Tory MPs could realistically engineer a final two through whisper and rumour, you have to think that a sub140 / 90+ / sub 90 split is a possible in the last MP round.
So, secure 90-95 MPs and you are at the races.
Suffice to say, there are candidates who might struggle to secure 130 MPs, but who would have a decent tilt at 95.
With how far the Tory MPs could realistically engineer a final two through whisper and rumour, good have to think that a sub140 / 90+ / sub 90 split is a possible in the last MP round.
So, secure 90-95 MPs and you are at the races.
Suffice to say, there are candidates who might struggle to secure 130 MPs, but who would have a decent tilt at 95.
If it's John Redwood, notwithstanding his undoubted skill as an economist, I WILL emigrate.
I'm a social liberal. I'm an internationalist. I'm a free marketeer. I believe (vehemently) in looking after the poorest in society. I'm instinctively wary of anything anti-democratic; anything that distances a democratic voice further away from the dispossessed and nearer to the elites. Hence my dislike of the EU.
Incidentally, I think the idea of a union of lots of countries is GREAT. I just think the EU has become bloated and elitist and thinks it knows best (when it doesn't). They've put their political ideology before the people of Greece and they will put the political ideology before a sensible deal over Brexit.
Many disagree with me, but that's cool.
Think his ukip answer was to the gap between Cam and May's poll scores, not aimed at you.
Ah sorry. Doh!
Yes JohnnyJimmy's right! My reply was a bit obscure sorry, had to dash off. Back now.
The Tories fighting the next election with Sajid Javid as leader would be a masterstroke.
Quite uninspiring though. You can't be lead by someone that just gets on with the job. (Although I believe Labour tried that, and unfortunately found an indescribable charlatan, whi wrecked our economy and who somehow got away with not being shot for treason)
I find it somewhat disturbing how often I agree with the comments of Sandy, Wulfrun Phil and Old Labour.
Political opponents may still have plenty of sensible views.
Indeed, given how much our mainstream parties do agree on many fundamentals it would be highly unusual if the other side did not come up with good ideas. As with all things, it's a balance, and the good ideas of one may not outweigh the bad.
"Since the referendum around 1.2m electors have died, while 1.4m have joined the electorate. If we extrapolate from YouGov’s data from the youngest and oldest voters, and take account of variations in turnout by age, then I reckon that around 600,000 Leave voters, and 300,000 Remain voters have died; while 650,000 young Remainers and 150,000 Leave supporters have joined the voting population. Combine these figures, and these demographic factors have given us 350,000 extra Remain voters and 450,000 fewer Leave voters."
More wonderful ideas form the EU - My email inbox has been filled up with "privacy" nonsense all week and now EU citizens are unable to access some large websites in US
You can still see the New York Times, which suggests the story is litres about the new law and more about the hysterical reaction to it by some people (who possibly have an agenda).
Also US websites denying access doesn't exempt them from the GPDR it seems:
"Since the referendum around 1.2m electors have died, while 1.4m have joined the electorate. If we extrapolate from YouGov’s data from the youngest and oldest voters, and take account of variations in turnout by age, then I reckon that around 600,000 Leave voters, and 300,000 Remain voters have died; while 650,000 young Remainers and 150,000 Leave supporters have joined the voting population. Combine these figures, and these demographic factors have given us 350,000 extra Remain voters and 450,000 fewer Leave voters."
The key issue is then whether people aged 40- 50 have shifted towards Leave.
More wonderful ideas form the EU - My email inbox has been filled up with "privacy" nonsense all week and now EU citizens are unable to access some large websites in US
"Since the referendum around 1.2m electors have died, while 1.4m have joined the electorate. If we extrapolate from YouGov’s data from the youngest and oldest voters, and take account of variations in turnout by age, then I reckon that around 600,000 Leave voters, and 300,000 Remain voters have died; while 650,000 young Remainers and 150,000 Leave supporters have joined the voting population. Combine these figures, and these demographic factors have given us 350,000 extra Remain voters and 450,000 fewer Leave voters."
The key issue is then whether people aged 40- 50 have shifted towards Leave.
Not really. We are leaving. It is over.
The key question is whether given demographic change and hopefully some serious reform of the EU we will be able to rejoin in ten years, which would make the votes of people in their 30s (like me) probably more significant.
At the moment the EU appear to be trying to make it impossible for us to do so. This is short-sighted, stupid, wouldn't be done by anyone with the brains of a mouse, and therefore entirely typical of the actions of the Brussels elite.
Leadership of the Commission - "a fascist cabal" Michel Barnier - "neither very intelligent or very experienced" Juncker and Selmayr - "morally and intellectually unfit to hold any sort of public office" Lord Kerr - "a Blairite stooge"
It must be tough to share a planet with people who are so markedly inferior to you.
I don’t think that bodes well for the repeal campaign.
Then again, my Irish colleague thinks the shy vote in this referendum will be for repeal, because of the zealotry of the antis.
BBC suggesting turnout a couple of hours ago "was higher than at the same stage of the country's referendum on same-sex marriage and its most recent general election"
I don’t think that bodes well for the repeal campaign.
Then again, my Irish colleague thinks the shy vote in this referendum will be for repeal, because of the zealotry of the antis.
BBC suggesting turnout a couple of hours ago "was higher than at the same stage of the country's referendum on same-sex marriage and its most recent general election"
More wonderful ideas form the EU - My email inbox has been filled up with "privacy" nonsense all week and now EU citizens are unable to access some large websites in US
You can still see the New York Times, which suggests the story is litres about the new law and more about the hysterical reaction to it by some people (who possibly have an agenda).
Also US websites denying access doesn't exempt them from the GPDR it seems:
Leadership of the Commission - "a fascist cabal" Michel Barnier - "neither very intelligent or very experienced" Juncker and Selmayr - "morally and intellectually unfit to hold any sort of public office" Lord Kerr - "a Blairite stooge"
It must be tough to share a planet with people who are so markedly inferior to you.
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I don't quite know how you go from 'he has a low opinion of those specific people' to an implication he must feel it a burden to share a planet with such people. Are there no people whom you hold in contempt, reasonably or otherwise? That doesn't automatically mean you think yourself some grand creature of whom they are not worthy
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And no one is home to fix it.
(Or have I missed something important???)
But there are also banned PB Remainers (I think they're remain !)
James Kelly
Mick Pork
The Right Reverend Stuart Campbell
Can anyone spot the connection between them ?
Well played Mike.
"She could have caused make .." "She could, of course, make .."
"She's been incredible sex survivor.." "She's been incredible ???? survivor"
Bleurgh.
Though I tend not to opine on Brexit, as I feel I am not changing anyone's views anytime soon, and am not particularly passionate about my own.
I have heard nothing to convince me I made the wrong choice though.
I'm a social liberal. I'm an internationalist. I'm a free marketeer. I believe (vehemently) in looking after the poorest in society. I'm instinctively wary of anything anti-democratic; anything that distances a democratic voice further away from the dispossessed and nearer to the elites. Hence my dislike of the EU.
Incidentally, I think the idea of a union of lots of countries is GREAT. I just think the EU has become bloated and elitist and thinks it knows best (when it doesn't). They've put their political ideology before the people of Greece and they will put the political ideology before a sensible deal over Brexit.
Many disagree with me, but that's cool.
I'll get my coats .. of arms ..
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-44258461
Meanwhile Mrs May carries on, if not serenely, then without serious challenge.
But then. SACRILEGE ALERT.
I voted for Blair!
I was in Majorca during last year's GE so didn't vote. And I'll admit I thought May would win a 50 seat majority even despite a shite campaign.
I never liked Brown. I thought he was a covetous bully. I don't like May. I think she's an uncurious, cautious non-entity.
I didn't mind Ed Miliband because he had ideas. I like people with ideas. I liked David Laws and Norman Lamb. I like Michael Gove. I liked Ken Clarke. I always liked Alan Johnson (although I doubt he would've had the skills to be PM).
I think Ruth Davidson would be a magnificent PM. Her ideas chime with mine. She's very articulate and charming and funny. Very likeable, very smart; very persuasive.
My vote is for bear chested mounted on a white charger, a la Putin, whilst carrying a pair of pearl handled six shooters and declaring "make my day punks" to the assembled fourth estate.
Let's hear it for the baldies!
http://www.latimes.com/
Amazing work guys. Well done. Congratulations.
[face-slow_handclap)
Of course as the number of MPs who vote for the winner of ballot increases past 106 the number required to finish second actually reduces. So for example if the winner got 150 MP votes the number presently required by the runner up would fall to only 84 votes.
Off dozens of mailing lists, some harking back a decade or more.
The EU takes privacy seriously. The US, not so much.
The risk Mogg may replace May is clearly another factor keeping May in place for many Tory MPs
Wasn't Stuart Dickson another SNAT Remainer who was banned ?
I noticed that HHemmelig was also banned yesterday and he voted Remain.
I find it somewhat disturbing how often I agree with the comments of Sandy, Wulfrun Phil and Old Labour.
I think Jonathan and YDoethur voted Remain and MyBurningEyes voted Leave.
And is Anazina really the same person as Bobajob ?
Of course also in JRM's favour is he is chairman of the ERG who have an undeclared membership number but lies somewhere between 60 - 80 members, and then it will all be down to who out of Gove, Johnson, and JRM get least votes initially and are therefore removed and who they then back for leader. My feeling is that JRM will be seen by many non-committed MPs who do not want Johnson or Gove as leader and PM will plum for JRM knowing that he would crucify Corbyn, et al, and at least be the most likely to bring a Conservative majority at the next election. (I also happen to know that presently many 'party members' are letting their MPs know their choice.)
Theresa May should have taken the risk and offered JRM a Cabinet post, but instead she fears him, and when the PM fears someone then you know there must be something good about that person. LOL
So remainer MPs will know they are wasting their time voting for a remainer candidate. They will need to vote tactically for a leaver so that there are TWO leaver candidates, and try to squeeze out the least desirable (assume Rees Mogg). They need to collude and split say 90 for Gove and 90 for Johnson. Even if the 130 leavers go heavily for Rees-Mogg, then Gove and Johnson should pick up at least 16 votes each out of the 130. So the party members will have to choose between Gove and Johnson.
I was and am a Remainer.
I am also however a democrat and a realist, two ways that puts me seriously at odds with the EU and the current
fascist caballeadership of the Commission and their more hysterical and frankly less intelligent supporters on here. I accept we are leaving and there is nothing I can do to stop it.I am also fuming at the EU who out of sheer bone-headed stupidity are making it virtually impossible for us to (a) leave without causing vast damage to everyone including them and (b) making it damn near impossible for us to rejoin should we later wish to do so.
I also don't think Barnier, a man who was illegally appointed to his post before being cravenly confirmed by the spineless leaders of the EU governments, has a long track record of breaking laws that don't suit him and is frankly neither very intelligent or very experienced should in any way be involved in negotiations, and that goes double for Juncker and Selmayr who are not just demonstrably morally and intellectually unfit to hold any sort of public office but shouldn't according to EU law even be in the room at all during negotiations much less speaking during them. They have resulted, given our negotiators are equally useless, in the predictable car crash.
However, that still doesn't make the economic damage which undoubtedly tip Europe (rather than us) further towards Fascism worth the game. If there were a second referendum with the option to withdraw A50, I'd vote for it. But since there isn't time for a second referendum and since notwithstanding the lies of the Blairite stooge who wrote it there is no way of withdrawing A50, I won't, and I would rather make the best of the world as it is than the world as I'd like it to be.
Edit: OK Sorry thought you voted to leave
Do you have to be totally uncritical of the very many serious flaws and weaknesses of the EU before you are accepted as a Remainer? Because if so pretty well the entire bloody continent outside Luxembourg would vote Leave!
HurstLlama was a Leaver - anyone know what's happened to him ?
He's still on Twitter:
https://www.twitter.com/hurstllama
I know you'll think I'm mad, but I have tiny stake on Owen Patterson, and a pretty small stake on one other fairly anonymous back-bencher.
I think it's the most fascinating of markets.
In normal times that crown would have gone to the Labour leadership market - I'll almost be sorry to see Corbyn go in that such a fascinating market will be lost. There's some extraordinary prices at which I've traded on Betfair (mostly, but not exclusively, extraordinary in my favour. I must have got nervous at some point as I backed Angela Eagle at avg odds of 5.26.. . In hindsight, what on earth was I thinking!)
So, secure 90-95 MPs and you are at the races.
Suffice to say, there are candidates who might struggle to secure 130 MPs, but who would have a decent tilt at 95.
An excellent article on the rail problems 'down south':
https://www.londonreconnections.com/2018/the-cicadas-take-flight-explaining-the-may-timetable-changes/
https://mobile.twitter.com/WeeMissBea/status/1000046465182466048/photo/1
TSE 65K
Pulpstar 45K
MorrisDancer 42K
HYUFD 40K
Scott_P 36K
RobD 32K
Kle4 30K
CarlottaVance 28K
FrancisUrquhart 28K
Southam Observer 26K
https://twitter.com/SamCoatesTimes/status/999732448455024640?s=19
Then again, my Irish colleague thinks the shy vote in this referendum will be for repeal, because of the zealotry of the antis.
I'd expect the shy vote to be No, as it's the politically incorrect option.
The key question is whether given demographic change and hopefully some serious reform of the EU we will be able to rejoin in ten years, which would make the votes of people in their 30s (like me) probably more significant.
At the moment the EU appear to be trying to make it impossible for us to do so. This is short-sighted, stupid, wouldn't be done by anyone with the brains of a mouse, and therefore entirely typical of the actions of the Brussels elite.
BBC suggesting turnout a couple of hours ago "was higher than at the same stage of the country's referendum on same-sex marriage and its most recent general election"
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-44241521
Main count tomorrow