Today, I will violate one of my favorite principles, and hereby make this prediction: No Brexit! In other words, the U.K. will not exit the European Union. By 2023, we will look back at the entire ridiculous affair as if it were a rediscovered lost episode of “Fawlty Towers.”
And I will never vote in another election again in my life...
Correction, I WILL vote for Jeremy Corbyn at the next avliable general election in order to take revenge on the establishment that betrayed my referendum vote.
Then I'll never vote in another general election again in my life.
Brexit can only be halted by a second referendum. That is certain. In that case the British people will have betrayed the referendum vote.
I don’t think turning us into Venezuela will make you or I fell better. I totally understand your feelings though.
“On Saturday cabinet minister David Davis, who has fought for a harder Brexit, was reported to be on the brink of resigning over the UK’s apparently softening position on EU withdrawal.”
Hurrah for free movement, told you the UK couldn't live without it.
So we're keep free movement and effectively remaining in the customs union, this is BINO, hurrah for Theresa May.
Surely this is the case for Hammond as next leader, because Brexit seems to be converging on what the Chancellor predicted.
Anyhoo I've been repeatedly assured on PB that the referendum was nothing to do with immigration but about free trade.
That was silly. Of course the biggest reason for the win was to control the numbers coming from the E.U.
I think most people are more concerned about other types of immigration, but we will never be given a referendum on that. People reached for the lever presented to them.
We're becoming a country where people's votes mean absolutely nothing if they vote the "wrong" way - So let's bring on Jeremy Corbyn and see how the elite gets out of that!
Brexit without an independent trade policy is just about bearable. If we have no meaningful end to freedom of movement for work (tourism is fine), then there really is no point.
Correct nothing is going to change on the immigration front sccording to that Independent article just some renaming and window dressing. Get rid of May! Now! C'mon what are the back benchers waiting for.
Today, I will violate one of my favorite principles, and hereby make this prediction: No Brexit! In other words, the U.K. will not exit the European Union. By 2023, we will look back at the entire ridiculous affair as if it were a rediscovered lost episode of “Fawlty Towers.”
The author is a sometime equities analyst and resident of Long Island according to Wiki? Now I’m just sure he’s in touch with the opinions of the average Leave voter in West Bromwich.
So it begs the question whether anyone that isn't a teacher actually thinks teachers do a good job, or have ever done a good job? Personally I think they do really great things in terms of corralling their herd, but little in terms of imparting wisdom - and the latter mainly because they have no wisdom to impart.
In my experience the educational standards are getting much lower.
I was very careful in my phrasing for this specific reason. There are many good teachers out there. Indeed the majority. But there is, as I said, a large number of teachers and education professionals who, for reasons of dogma, political belief or personal teaching philosophy do not serve our children well and oppose, in principle, meaningful reform of the education system. They refuse to accept there has been a decline in the standards of education and in educational attainment over the last few decades and will rush to say that such claims are 'undermining the students'.
How many people are actually in favour of Assad and then actively supportive of his killing of Palestinians specifically?
I realise it is a popular meme among the right but not wanting to engage in war in Syria is not the same as actually supporting Assad.
Any more than wanting to bomb Assad is equivalent to supporting some of his Islamic fundamentalist opponents.
Anyone who doesn't just want Assad to win for what they see as practical reasons but because they actually enjoy his slaughtering of people and Palestinians but complain bitterly when the Israeli's kill Palestinians could well be anti semitic. They at least would be very unfair on Israel compared to Syria.
Although I do always wonder if you turn these things around, how fair is it to criticise the Palestinians locked up and starved in their walled up ghettos because of their extremism and then actively support bombing Assad when some of his strongest opponents who could capitalise are extremists themselves?
Foreign affairs is a largely grey area.
As to the extra attention to the Israel-Palestine situation it is another one where you can turn it around. Would so many people go out of their way to defend and justify the actions of Israel if the people they inflicting suffering on were not just Arabs, Would there be such little international outcry and so much support from the worlds biggest powers if another country was stealing the land of its neighbour and forcing its population to live in poverty?
Would there if it wasn't for the fact the Palestinians are Arabs who are largely Muslims.
Ahem - Remind us when Stop the War are holding their demo against Russian involvement in Syria,?
I spent most of today trying to help lots of Tory candidates become councillors next week.
I'm calling it now. The Tories will make net gains in councillors outside of London.
Thank you TSE.
Genuine question for you; will the Tory coalition be big enough if Brexit is cancelled to win another general election? I just don’t see grateful Remainers outnumbering bitter Leavers.
Brexit without an independent trade policy is just about bearable. If we have no meaningful end to freedom of movement for work (tourism is fine), then there really is no point.
Correct nothing is going to change on the immigration front sccording to that Independent article just some renaming and window dressing. Get rid of May! Now! C'mon what are the back benchers waiting for.
Brexiteers now have nothing to lose - They might as well move against Theresa May on Monday.
Get those letters in to Brady, roll the dice and lets see what happens.
If she wins the vote of confidence she is safe for at least a year, so I say bring it on.
If you're prepared to see the fall of the government and make Corbyn PM then you're not Tories, you're traitors.
Enabling a Corbyn government, let alone actively supporting it, is traitorous?
Yup, just look at his behaviour over Salisbury.
If you can make that man Prime Minister then you do not have the best interests of the country at heart, ergo you're a traitor.
I certainly don't support him, I just think its problematic if you consider 40% of the country who do support him to be traitors (and yes, the samelogic applies to accusations of treachery toward the 48% remainers, which is totally unreasonable).
Today, I will violate one of my favorite principles, and hereby make this prediction: No Brexit! In other words, the U.K. will not exit the European Union. By 2023, we will look back at the entire ridiculous affair as if it were a rediscovered lost episode of “Fawlty Towers.”
The author is a sometime equities analyst and resident of Long Island according to Wiki? Now I’m just sure he’s in touch with the opinions of the average Leave voter in West Bromwich.
Doubt he is in touch with the average Wisconsin voter let alone the average LEAVE voter.
Today, I will violate one of my favorite principles, and hereby make this prediction: No Brexit! In other words, the U.K. will not exit the European Union. By 2023, we will look back at the entire ridiculous affair as if it were a rediscovered lost episode of “Fawlty Towers.”
And I will never vote in another election again in my life...
Correction, I WILL vote for Jeremy Corbyn at the next avliable general election in order to take revenge on the establishment that betrayed my referendum vote.
Then I'll never vote in another general election again in my life.
Brexit can only be halted by a second referendum. That is certain.
It can be halted without one, parliament is sovereign and all that, though I find it hard to believe any government would do so without one.
I spent most of today trying to help lots of Tory candidates become councillors next week.
I'm calling it now. The Tories will make net gains in councillors outside of London.
Thank you TSE.
Genuine question for you; will the Tory coalition be big enough if Brexit is cancelled to win another general election? I just don’t see grateful Remainers outnumbering bitter Leavers.
Depends how Brexit is watered down.
The most telling observation given to me today.
If a week of bad weather can bring the economy to a standstill then we're buggered when Brexit happens.
I spent most of today trying to help lots of Tory candidates become councillors next week.
I'm calling it now. The Tories will make net gains in councillors outside of London.
Thank you TSE.
Genuine question for you; will the Tory coalition be big enough if Brexit is cancelled to win another general election? I just don’t see grateful Remainers outnumbering bitter Leavers.
Depends how Brexit is watered down.
The most telling observation given to me today.
If a week of bad weather can bring the economy to a standstill then we're buggered when Brexit happens.
I’m not talking about watering down - that’s definitely survivable.
I’m talking about cancellation following a second referendum. What then?
I spent most of today trying to help lots of Tory candidates become councillors next week.
I'm calling it now. The Tories will make net gains in councillors outside of London.
Any particular details ?
Allowing for the anger over the trees it was interesting to see how many people mentioned Corbyn and Salisbury at some point, mostly in a negative way.
Today, I will violate one of my favorite principles, and hereby make this prediction: No Brexit! In other words, the U.K. will not exit the European Union. By 2023, we will look back at the entire ridiculous affair as if it were a rediscovered lost episode of “Fawlty Towers.”
And I will never vote in another election again in my life...
Correction, I WILL vote for Jeremy Corbyn at the next avliable general election in order to take revenge on the establishment that betrayed my referendum vote.
Then I'll never vote in another general election again in my life.
Brexit can only be halted by a second referendum. That is certain.
It can be halted without one, parliament is sovereign and all that, though I find it hard to believe any government would do so without one.
Saying that Parliament can cancel Brexit in its own is like saying the Queen can veto an act of Parliament. It is simultaneously true and meaningless!
Mr. Meeks, indeed, though I have one for ID purposes, and others do likewise.
Me too, although I do consider travel as a tourist bad for the mind. As well, although I consider cars, as we use them, the work of the devil(*), I do keep a driver's licence for the same purpose.
(*) But let me add that I don't mind drivers with fast reflexes racing at unfeasible speeds round in circles off the Queen's highway.
I spent most of today trying to help lots of Tory candidates become councillors next week.
I'm calling it now. The Tories will make net gains in councillors outside of London.
Thank you TSE.
Genuine question for you; will the Tory coalition be big enough if Brexit is cancelled to win another general election? I just don’t see grateful Remainers outnumbering bitter Leavers.
Depends how Brexit is watered down.
The most telling observation given to me today.
If a week of bad weather can bring the economy to a standstill then we're buggered when Brexit happens.
I’m not talking about watering down - that’s definitely survivable.
I’m talking about cancellation following a second referendum. What then?
I suspect the Tory coalition will hold for as long as Corbyn is Labour leader.
It will also need someone like Gove, Davis, or Fox to recant over Brexit.
Leavers might wish to reflect on the fact that they have never prioritised. Their intense hatred of all matters European has meant that they have never decided on which bits they were most keen to disavow. By making everything a red line, nothing got taken as immutable.
Brexiteers now have nothing to lose - They might as well move against Theresa May on Monday.
Get those letters in to Brady, roll the dice and lets see what happens.
If she wins the vote of confidence she is safe for at least a year, so I say bring it on.
If you're prepared to see the fall of the government and make Corbyn PM then you're not Tories, you're traitors.
They can get rid of Theresa without the government falling (FTPA etc)
But it doesn't change the numbers in the Commons, there's no majority for leaving the customs union.
But there doesn’t need to be. Parliament will get a vote on whether we accept the negotiated deal or leave without a deal. What’s upsetting a lot of Parliamentarians is that the negotiations themselves are solely the preserve of the Executive.
I spent most of today trying to help lots of Tory candidates become councillors next week.
I'm calling it now. The Tories will make net gains in councillors outside of London.
Thank you TSE.
Genuine question for you; will the Tory coalition be big enough if Brexit is cancelled to win another general election? I just don’t see grateful Remainers outnumbering bitter Leavers.
Depends how Brexit is watered down.
The most telling observation given to me today.
If a week of bad weather can bring the economy to a standstill then we're buggered when Brexit happens.
I’m not talking about watering down - that’s definitely survivable.
I’m talking about cancellation following a second referendum. What then?
Hypothetically, if the Tories proposed joining the Euro (because if we're in the EU to stay, why not?), it would outflank Labour and expose the splits between Corbyn and the centrists.
Leavers might wish to reflect on the fact that they have never prioritised. Their intense hatred of all matters European has meant that they have never decided on which bits they were most keen to disavow. By making everything a red line, nothing got taken as immutable.
It looks like Brexit is best understood as a failed peaceful revolution, with the very sad exception of Jo Cox MP.
Today, I will violate one of my favorite principles, and hereby make this prediction: No Brexit! In other words, the U.K. will not exit the European Union. By 2023, we will look back at the entire ridiculous affair as if it were a rediscovered lost episode of “Fawlty Towers.”
And I will never vote in another election again in my life...
Correction, I WILL vote for Jeremy Corbyn at the next avliable general election in order to take revenge on the establishment that betrayed my referendum vote.
Then I'll never vote in another general election again in my life.
Brexit can only be halted by a second referendum. That is certain.
It can be halted without one, parliament is sovereign and all that, though I find it hard to believe any government would do so without one.
Saying that Parliament can cancel Brexit in its own is like saying the Queen can veto an act of Parliament. It is similarly true and meaningless!
The situations are not directly comparable in the slightest. The Queen can theoretically veto acts but never exercises that power, and nor have her successors in over a hundred years, whereas parliament can and does exercise power all the time. Indeed, various notables hoped they would choose not to initiate A50, and some did vote against that. They could have done so. It is not meaningless to point out something that is true, even if it is unlikely.
Leavers might wish to reflect on the fact that they have never prioritised. Their intense hatred of all matters European has meant that they have never decided on which bits they were most keen to disavow. By making everything a red line, nothing got taken as immutable.
It looks like Brexit is best understood as a failed peaceful revolution, with the very sad exception of Jo Cox MP.
If it fails, it will be because of the staggering incompetence of its leaders. Its followers, who have egged them on at every stage, must take their share of the blame.
Brexiteers now have nothing to lose - They might as well move against Theresa May on Monday.
Get those letters in to Brady, roll the dice and lets see what happens.
If she wins the vote of confidence she is safe for at least a year, so I say bring it on.
If you're prepared to see the fall of the government and make Corbyn PM then you're not Tories, you're traitors.
They can get rid of Theresa without the government falling (FTPA etc)
But it doesn't change the numbers in the Commons, there's no majority for leaving the customs union.
But there doesn’t need to be. Parliament will get a vote on whether we accept the negotiated deal or leave without a deal. What’s upsetting a lot of Parliamentarians is that the negotiations themselves are solely the preserve of the Executive.
“On Saturday cabinet minister David Davis, who has fought for a harder Brexit, was reported to be on the brink of resigning over the UK’s apparently softening position on EU withdrawal.”
I hope HYUFD doesn’t need medical attention after reading that.
"They would then be able to gain the right to work in the UK under a new status that would be distinct for people arriving from the EU."
Sorry that is unacceptable....it would be brexit betrayed.
Gove and Boris betrayed Brexit when they voted against giving the NHS an extra £350 million per week.
Brexiteers now have nothing to lose - They might as well move against Theresa May on Monday.
Get those letters in to Brady, roll the dice and lets see what happens.
If she wins the vote of confidence she is safe for at least a year, so I say bring it on.
If you're prepared to see the fall of the government and make Corbyn PM then you're not Tories, you're traitors.
They can get rid of Theresa without the government falling (FTPA etc)
But it doesn't change the numbers in the Commons, there's no majority for leaving the customs union.
But there doesn’t need to be. Parliament will get a vote on whether we accept the negotiated deal or leave without a deal. What’s upsetting a lot of Parliamentarians is that the negotiations themselves are solely the preserve of the Executive.
That's taking back control is it?
The taking back of control happens the day we leave the EU.
The Remainers in Parliament are trying to find a way that they can overrule the will of the People. Traditionally this doesn’t end well for the elites who attempt to undermine democracy.
Sure - forgetting the specifics of Wadsworth for now, the issue is general - it's fine to care about some things more than others, but if you are neither Jewish, not Israeli, nor Palestinian (or I guess at a push Jordanian, Syrian, etc) then caring monomaniacally about the real or imagined sins of the world's only Jewish country, while defending other vicious dictatorships is something that needs explanation.
If people can't offer an explanation for, say, why they are demonstrating against Israel killing a dozen Palestinians in self defence, but in favour of Assad when he carpet bombs a Palestinian community in Syria, Occam's razor comes into play when working out what their specific problem with the world's only Jewish country is.
An analogy: If I attacked Wadsworth and Walker and, oh, let's say Lee Jasper, but defended Livingstone, Williamson, and, say, Pam Bromley, I can completely understand why people would question my motives.
Who are these people who you see demonstrating against Israel but for Assad? I've never come across an Assad supporter on any part of the spectrum, though there are people of all persuasions who scratch their heads and say well, maybe he's the least evil realistic option. Much the same is true of Putin - almost the only people outside Russia who positively like him are on the far right, in Eastern Europe.
There is some residual left-wing cold war stuff around - people being anti-Israel because they're supported by America: they disapprove of Saudi Arabia and Ukraine in the same way. Others like me have just become more isolationist - we don't much like any of them and are disinclined to join in their wars, without liking their opponents either.
Brexiteers now have nothing to lose - They might as well move against Theresa May on Monday.
Get those letters in to Brady, roll the dice and lets see what happens.
If she wins the vote of confidence she is safe for at least a year, so I say bring it on.
If you're prepared to see the fall of the government and make Corbyn PM then you're not Tories, you're traitors.
They can get rid of Theresa without the government falling (FTPA etc)
But it doesn't change the numbers in the Commons, there's no majority for leaving the customs union.
But there doesn’t need to be. Parliament will get a vote on whether we accept the negotiated deal or leave without a deal. What’s upsetting a lot of Parliamentarians is that the negotiations themselves are solely the preserve of the Executive.
That's taking back control is it?
Like Brexit, it depends what you mean I imagine. One must have had control at some stage to take it 'back', so if something was always an executive authority it would not be taking it back for the legislature to attempt to control it, it would be achieving a new rebalancing of authority. Which may or may not be reasonable depending on the issue, as was discussed recently with the taking military action in Syria situation.
I spent most of today trying to help lots of Tory candidates become councillors next week.
I'm calling it now. The Tories will make net gains in councillors outside of London.
Thank you TSE.
Genuine question for you; will the Tory coalition be big enough if Brexit is cancelled to win another general election? I just don’t see grateful Remainers outnumbering bitter Leavers.
Depends how Brexit is watered down.
The most telling observation given to me today.
If a week of bad weather can bring the economy to a standstill then we're buggered when Brexit happens.
I’m not talking about watering down - that’s definitely survivable.
I’m talking about cancellation following a second referendum. What then?
I suspect the Tory coalition will hold for as long as Corbyn is Labour leader.
It will also need someone like Gove, Davis, or Fox to recant over Brexit.
Bill cash and JRM section of the party must be furious reading on the EU in the last few days
Today, I will violate one of my favorite principles, and hereby make this prediction: No Brexit! In other words, the U.K. will not exit the European Union. By 2023, we will look back at the entire ridiculous affair as if it were a rediscovered lost episode of “Fawlty Towers.”
And I will never vote in another election again in my life...
Correction, I WILL vote for Jeremy Corbyn at the next avliable general election in order to take revenge on the establishment that betrayed my referendum vote.
Then I'll never vote in another general election again in my life.
Brexit can only be halted by a second referendum. That is certain.
It can be halted without one, parliament is sovereign and all that, though I find it hard to believe any government would do so without one.
Saying that Parliament can cancel Brexit in its own is like saying the Queen can veto an act of Parliament. It is similarly true and meaningless!
The situations are not directly comparable in the slightest. The Queen can theoretically veto acts but never exercises that power, and nor have her successors in over a hundred years, whereas parliament can and does exercise power all the time. Indeed, various notables hoped they would choose not to initiate A50, and some did vote against that. They could have done so.
The Queen potentially vetoing acts is a legal fiction at this point, since if the monarch ever chose to do so in this day and age they would not remain monarch for long. It is not meaningless that the only thing stopping parliament from halting things if it wanted is political practicality.
I'll give you a potential scenario right here - if a remain supporting party or coalition of parties won a GE on a promise to halt Brexit, would they hold a referendum about it? Possibly, but possibly not, depending on how much support they go, what exactly they promised etc. I don't regard any of that as likely, certainly not as likely as another referendum, but if we're discussing unlikely options, then all options which are legal are viable.
Regardless, just because something is, in practical terms, very difficult, does not mean it does not exist as an option, and therefore other options the only choice. Our politicians are simply unlikely to pay the price that might arise from doing so.
There isn’t going to be an election until 2022, so I don’t think your scenario applies.
I don’t think MPs are collectively insane enough to cancel Brexit on their own initiative.
“On Saturday cabinet minister David Davis, who has fought for a harder Brexit, was reported to be on the brink of resigning over the UK’s apparently softening position on EU withdrawal.”
I hope HYUFD doesn’t need medical attention after reading that.
"They would then be able to gain the right to work in the UK under a new status that would be distinct for people arriving from the EU."
Sorry that is unacceptable....it would be brexit betrayed.
Gove and Boris betrayed Brexit when they voted against giving the NHS an extra £350 million per week.
Anyhoo I've been repeatedly assured on PB that the referendum was nothing to do with immigration but about free trade.
That was silly. Of course the biggest reason for the win was to control the numbers coming from the E.U.
Not possible anymore I am afraid. Sovereignty doesn’t work like that. It’s a currency. The fiver that went down the back of a sofa in 1973 isn’t worth that when you retrieve it today.
Brexit does not return sovereignty. Brexit does not return control of borders or immigration. Globalisation has devoured that sovereignty. It’s not coming back.
How do you stop companies employing whoever they want from wherever they want? You can’t anymore. You need the enterprise here, you need the start up, the jobs, the taxes. Or Britain PLC goes bankrupt. There’s the dotted line to Customs Union. You sign it. The idea there was choice not to was just fantasy.
Impose X on companies to control immigration? “Ha. Fine, thanks to internet, containerisation and global finance we can easily relocate or start up outside your X zone and you lose all kinds of advantages of having our business here”.
I spent most of today trying to help lots of Tory candidates become councillors next week.
I'm calling it now. The Tories will make net gains in councillors outside of London.
Thank you TSE.
Genuine question for you; will the Tory coalition be big enough if Brexit is cancelled to win another general election? I just don’t see grateful Remainers outnumbering bitter Leavers.
Depends how Brexit is watered down.
The most telling observation given to me today.
If a week of bad weather can bring the economy to a standstill then we're buggered when Brexit happens.
I’m not talking about watering down - that’s definitely survivable.
I’m talking about cancellation following a second referendum. What then?
I suspect the Tory coalition will hold for as long as Corbyn is Labour leader.
It will also need someone like Gove, Davis, or Fox to recant over Brexit.
Bill cash and JRM section of the party must be furious reading on the EU in the last few days
How many MP letters does Brady need again ?
48 letters.
I'm sure the Remain wing of the party will be busy withdrawing their letters as we speak.
Leavers might wish to reflect on the fact that they have never prioritised. Their intense hatred of all matters European has meant that they have never decided on which bits they were most keen to disavow. By making everything a red line, nothing got taken as immutable.
It looks like Brexit is best understood as a failed peaceful revolution, with the very sad exception of Jo Cox MP.
If it fails, it will be because of the staggering incompetence of its leaders. Its followers, who have egged them on at every stage, must take their share of the blame.
Brexit was an existential test for the EU, and the EU passed the test. Brexit failed because nobody else followed the UK.
Leavers might wish to reflect on the fact that they have never prioritised. Their intense hatred of all matters European has meant that they have never decided on which bits they were most keen to disavow. By making everything a red line, nothing got taken as immutable.
It looks like Brexit is best understood as a failed peaceful revolution, with the very sad exception of Jo Cox MP.
If it fails, it will be because of the staggering incompetence of its leaders. Its followers, who have egged them on at every stage, must take their share of the blame.
It is not so much incompetence as a lack of ruthlessness.
Today, I will violate one of my favorite principles, and hereby make this prediction: No Brexit! In other words, the U.K. will not exit the European Union. By 2023, we will look back at the entire ridiculous affair as if it were a rediscovered lost episode of “Fawlty Towers.”
And I will never vote in another election again in my life...
Correction, I WILL vote for Jeremy Corbyn at the next avliable general election in order to take revenge on the establishment that betrayed my referendum vote.
Then I'll never vote in another general election again in my life.
Brexit can only be halted by a second referendum. That is certain.
It can be halted without one, parliament is sovereign and all that, though I find it hard to believe any government would do so without one.
Saying that Parliament can cancel Brexit in its own is like saying the Queen can veto an act of Parliament. It is similarly true and meaningless!
The situations are not
Regardless, just because something is, in practical terms, very difficult, does not mean it does not exist as an option, and therefore other options the only choice. Our politicians are simply unlikely to pay the price that might arise from doing so.
There isn’t going to be an election until 2022, so I don’t think your scenario applies.
I don’t think MPs are collectively insane enough to cancel Brexit on their own initiative.
Nor do I, but as I put it in my shortened version, I don't personally consider it meaningless to be precise in what is possible, or not, even if it is very unlikely. It is a lot more plausible that they won't cancel it without a referendum vote, but it is not certain - who can say how crazy things might get, since to offer one on remaining after all would surely require that the government fall first, and then that Labour switch to remain as well, both of which are possible, but perhaps not likely (if more likely than some would like).
Edit: A revelation I have had recently is that I share with Jeremy Corbyn of all people, an over emphasis on process.
I don’t think MPs are collectively insane enough to cancel Brexit on their own initiative.
I agree with you. MPs won't cancel it on their own, and there's no way Corbyn can use the withdrawal bill to engineer a general election. The only option will be a second referendum, but the prerequisite is that enough Conservative Leave MPs need to lose faith with Brexit.
Leavers might wish to reflect on the fact that they have never prioritised. Their intense hatred of all matters European has meant that they have never decided on which bits they were most keen to disavow. By making everything a red line, nothing got taken as immutable.
It looks like Brexit is best understood as a failed peaceful revolution, with the very sad exception of Jo Cox MP.
If it fails, it will be because of the staggering incompetence of its leaders. Its followers, who have egged them on at every stage, must take their share of the blame.
It is not so much incompetence as a lack of ruthlessness.
I believe the Leave line on such matters is: suck it up, loser.
But it is incompetence. Because Leavers have never decided what really mattered, they’ve never been clear about what they want to achieve. So they are clueless about whether to fight for immigration control, striking new trade deals or money.
Leavers might wish to reflect on the fact that they have never prioritised. Their intense hatred of all matters European has meant that they have never decided on which bits they were most keen to disavow. By making everything a red line, nothing got taken as immutable.
It looks like Brexit is best understood as a failed peaceful revolution, with the very sad exception of Jo Cox MP.
If it fails, it will be because of the staggering incompetence of its leaders. Its followers, who have egged them on at every stage, must take their share of the blame.
Brexit was an existential test for the EU, and the EU passed the test. Brexit failed because nobody else followed the UK.
Leavers might wish to reflect on the fact that they have never prioritised. Their intense hatred of all matters European has meant that they have never decided on which bits they were most keen to disavow. By making everything a red line, nothing got taken as immutable.
It looks like Brexit is best understood as a failed peaceful revolution, with the very sad exception of Jo Cox MP.
If it fails, it will be because of the staggering incompetence of its leaders. Its followers, who have egged them on at every stage, must take their share of the blame.
Brexit was an existential test for the EU, and the EU passed the test. Brexit failed because nobody else followed the UK.
The idea other countries would immediately follow was always bunkum. While it has been even more fraught than I would have hoped, it was always going to involve pain and cost to some degree, and in the short term the inevitable chaos would surely dampen outright leave sentiment in other places. The question was if the pain would be worth it for us (it's not looking great, to be fair), and therefore, for the EU, if longer term we were doing well and the EU did not address its problems, which would mean others might be tempted.
So I think to say the test has passed for the EU is a bit strong - the thing about organisations is the need for continual justification, and the test for them will never end. I would hope you would agree they don't want to continue existing simply because it will be increasingly hard to leave, they want to continue existing because their purpose and outcomes are good for those involved. Most would still agree with that, and there does not appear to be a glut of others at a tipping point on it, but if they are smart they won't stop working to keep justifying themselves.
Peers are preparing a fresh attempt to block Britain’s departure from the European Union in the House of Lords tomorrow, it has been claimed.
Lord Callanan, a Brexit minister, said a Labour amendment due to be debated tomorrow would remove the Government’s power to negotiate with Brussels, handing it instead to Parliament.
Labour said the amendment would ensure a “meaningful role for Parliament” in the approval of a deal with the EU, adding to an amendment already forced on the Government by pro-Remain Tory rebels in the Commons.
Today, I will violate one of my favorite principles, and hereby make this prediction: No Brexit! In other words, the U.K. will not exit the European Union. By 2023, we will look back at the entire ridiculous affair as if it were a rediscovered lost episode of “Fawlty Towers.”
And I will never vote in another election again in my life...
Correction, I WILL vote for Jeremy Corbyn at the next avliable general election in order to take revenge on the establishment that betrayed my referendum vote.
Then I'll never vote in another general election again in my life.
Brexit can only be halted by a second referendum. That is certain.
It can be halted without one, parliament is sovereign and all that, though I find it hard to believe any government would do so without one.
Saying that Parliament can cancel Brexit in its own is like saying the Queen can veto an act of Parliament. It is similarly true and meaningless!
The situations are not
Regardless, just because something is, in practical terms, very difficult, does not mean it does not exist as an option, and therefore other options the only choice. Our politicians are simply unlikely to pay the price that might arise from doing so.
There isn’t going to be an election until 2022, so I don’t think your scenario applies.
I don’t think MPs are collectively insane enough to cancel Brexit on their own initiative.
Nor do I, but as I put it in my shortened version, I don't personally consider it meaningless to be precise in what is possible, or not, even if it is very unlikely. It is a lot more plausible that they won't cancel it without a referendum vote, but it is not certain - who can say how crazy things might get, since to offer one on remaining after all would surely require that the government fall first, and then that Labour switch to remain as well, both of which are possible, but perhaps not likely (if more likely than some would like).
Edit: A revelation I have had recently is that I share with Jeremy Corbyn of all people, an over emphasis on process.
Brexiteers now have nothing to lose - They might as well move against Theresa May on Monday.
Get those letters in to Brady, roll the dice and lets see what happens.
If she wins the vote of confidence she is safe for at least a year, so I say bring it on.
If you're prepared to see the fall of the government and make Corbyn PM then you're not Tories, you're traitors.
Enabling a Corbyn government, let alone actively supporting it, is traitorous?
Corbyn hates this country. Making him its political leader would be treachery.
Not for me,I live in a shithole and a PM corbyn will bring the better area's of the country to my level.
If May betrays my vote then PM corbyn it is,like many leavers will do.
D'you know , I'm inclined to agree? We rolled the dice in the Referendum, the only chance they let us have; and if the Establishment renege, then roll the dice again & see what near-communism has to offer in this day & age.
Peers are preparing a fresh attempt to block Britain’s departure from the European Union in the House of Lords tomorrow, it has been claimed.
Lord Callanan, a Brexit minister, said a Labour amendment due to be debated tomorrow would remove the Government’s power to negotiate with Brussels, handing it instead to Parliament.
Labour said the amendment would ensure a “meaningful role for Parliament” in the approval of a deal with the EU, adding to an amendment already forced on the Government by pro-Remain Tory rebels in the Commons.
If it is a Labour amendment, and Labour are currently still officially in favour of Brexiting (aren't they?) then how can their amendment be about blocking the departure? Or is the latter merely a claim about the impact of the amendment, and not the official purpose?
Is the whole of parliament really set up to negotiate in such a way? Not that the Cabinet have done a good job of coming up with a single stratagem, but how do 650 people do so?
I would hope you would agree they don't want to continue existing simply because it will be increasingly hard to leave, they want to continue existing because their purpose and outcomes are good for those involved. Most would still agree with that, and there does not appear to be a glut of others at a tipping point on it, but if they are smart they won't stop working to keep justifying themselves.
Yes, I do agree with that and I hope that a reversal of Brexit wouldn't lead to complacency within the EU. If another country ever decides to leave in the future, they will have a blueprint of how not to do it, and may be much more ruthless.
Leavers might wish to reflect on the fact that they have never prioritised. Their intense hatred of all matters European has meant that they have never decided on which bits they were most keen to disavow. By making everything a red line, nothing got taken as immutable.
It looks like Brexit is best understood as a failed peaceful revolution, with the very sad exception of Jo Cox MP.
If it fails, it will be because of the staggering incompetence of its leaders. Its followers, who have egged them on at every stage, must take their share of the blame.
It is not so much incompetence as a lack of ruthlessness.
I believe the Leave line on such matters is: suck it up, loser.
But it is incompetence. Because Leavers have never decided what really mattered, they’ve never been clear about what they want to achieve. So they are clueless about whether to fight for immigration control, striking new trade deals or money.
I try and engage, and get this. You really are a spiteful, bitter, bile-filled piece of work.
We could have had control of everything, if only the institutions had been suitably reformed/decapitated. Many Leavers were naive about that.
A British exit from the European Union could spark “the democratic liberation of a whole continent”, as other member countries follow Britain’s example and throw off the shackles of Brussels, the justice secretary, Michael Gove, has argued.
Brexiteers now have nothing to lose - They might as well move against Theresa May on Monday.
Get those letters in to Brady, roll the dice and lets see what happens.
If she wins the vote of confidence she is safe for at least a year, so I say bring it on.
If you're prepared to see the fall of the government and make Corbyn PM then you're not Tories, you're traitors.
Enabling a Corbyn government, let alone actively supporting it, is traitorous?
Corbyn hates this country. Making him its political leader would be treachery.
Not for me,I live in a shithole and a PM corbyn will bring the better area's of the country to my level.
If May betrays my vote then PM corbyn it is,like many leavers will do.
D'you know , I'm inclined to agree? We rolled the dice in the Referendum, the only chance they let us have; and if the Establishment renege, then roll the dice again & see what near-communism has to offer in this day & age.
I would hope you would agree they don't want to continue existing simply because it will be increasingly hard to leave, they want to continue existing because their purpose and outcomes are good for those involved. Most would still agree with that, and there does not appear to be a glut of others at a tipping point on it, but if they are smart they won't stop working to keep justifying themselves.
Yes, I do agree with that and I hope that a reversal of Brexit wouldn't lead to complacency within the EU. If another country ever decides to leave in the future, they will have a blueprint of how not to do it, and may be much more ruthless.
DD is right. No other country will follow us.
I would expect you of all people to remember that statement!
Peers are preparing a fresh attempt to block Britain’s departure from the European Union in the House of Lords tomorrow, it has been claimed.
Lord Callanan, a Brexit minister, said a Labour amendment due to be debated tomorrow would remove the Government’s power to negotiate with Brussels, handing it instead to Parliament.
Labour said the amendment would ensure a “meaningful role for Parliament” in the approval of a deal with the EU, adding to an amendment already forced on the Government by pro-Remain Tory rebels in the Commons.
If it is a Labour amendment, and Labour are currently still officially in favour of Brexiting (aren't they?) then how can their amendment be about blocking the departure? Or is the latter merely a claim about the impact of the amendment, and not the official purpose?
Is the whole of parliament really set up to negotiate in such a way? Not that the Cabinet have done a good job of coming up with a single stratagem, but how do 650 people do so?
Parliament/The Lords will form a Committee of Safety.
Who is today's Unless-Jesus-Christ-Had-Died-For-Thee-Thou-Hadst-Been-Damned Barebone?
Two years after the Berlin Wall fell, was it too early to say whether it was the end of an era?
No and Yes. No, because no doubt it felt like a brand new era, but Yes, because eras really need more time to be judged.
After all, this period after the Brexit vote probably feels like a new era to some, but if you are right and we don't end up leaving after all, then the era will have remained the same. Mubarak stepping down in Egypt probably felt like the end of an era for awhile, but things seem pretty much back as they were there, from an outside perspective, just with a different strongman.
Leavers might wish to reflect on the fact that they have never prioritised. Their intense hatred of all matters European has meant that they have never decided on which bits they were most keen to disavow. By making everything a red line, nothing got taken as immutable.
It looks like Brexit is best understood as a failed peaceful revolution, with the very sad exception of Jo Cox MP.
If it fails, it will be because of the staggering incompetence of its leaders. Its followers, who have egged them on at every stage, must take their share of the blame.
It is not so much incompetence as a lack of ruthlessness.
I believe the Leave line on such matters is: suck it up, loser.
But it is incompetence. Because Leavers have never decided what really mattered, they’ve never been clear about what they want to achieve. So they are clueless about whether to fight for immigration control, striking new trade deals or money.
I try and engage, and get this. You really are a spiteful, bitter, bile-filled piece of work.
We could have had control of everything, if only the institutions had been suitably reformed/decapitated. Many Leavers were naive about that.
Leavers might wish to reflect on the fact that they have never prioritised. Their intense hatred of all matters European has meant that they have never decided on which bits they were most keen to disavow. By making everything a red line, nothing got taken as immutable.
It looks like Brexit is best understood as a failed peaceful revolution, with the very sad exception of Jo Cox MP.
If it fails, it will be because of the staggering incompetence of its leaders. Its followers, who have egged them on at every stage, must take their share of the blame.
It is not so much incompetence as a lack of ruthlessness.
I believe the Leave line on such matters is: suck it up, loser.
But it is incompetence. Because Leavers have never decided what really mattered, they’ve never been clear about what they want to achieve. So they are clueless about whether to fight for immigration control, striking new trade deals or money.
I try and engage, and get this. You really are a spiteful, bitter, bile-filled piece of work.
We could have had control of everything, if only the institutions had been suitably reformed/decapitated. Many Leavers were naive about that.
If Leavers had spent less time exulting in a victory won through xenophobic lies and carrying out loyalty tests, and instead spent more time working on winning the peace, they would be far better placed now.
I have throughout sought to draw attention to the action points. But for some reason my advice has been spurned.
Leavers might wish to reflect on the fact that they have never prioritised. Their intense hatred of all matters European has meant that they have never decided on which bits they were most keen to disavow. By making everything a red line, nothing got taken as immutable.
It looks like Brexit is best understood as a failed peaceful revolution, with the very sad exception of Jo Cox MP.
If it fails, it will be because of the staggering incompetence of its leaders. Its followers, who have egged them on at every stage, must take their share of the blame.
It is not so much incompetence as a lack of ruthlessness.
I believe the Leave line on such matters is: suck it up, loser.
But it is incompetence. Because Leavers have never decided what really mattered, they’ve never been clear about what they want to achieve. So they are clueless about whether to fight for immigration control, striking new trade deals or money.
I try and engage, and get this. You really are a spiteful, bitter, bile-filled piece of work.
We could have had control of everything, if only the institutions had been suitably reformed/decapitated. Many Leavers were naive about that.
He's a wind-up merchant,why bother with him.
You are quite right. I forget this from time to time.
Leavers really can’t grizzle when they’ve been in charge of the key ministries.
In my view, a least worst Brexit is still achievable, but Leavers are going to have to do some thinking instead of:
- promoting Leadsom for PM - threatening war with Spain - suggesting Brexit will be done in an afternoon - promising a Brexit surplus for the NHS - propagating Minford economics (aka close down the North) - accusing the judiciary of being saboteurs - assuming Italian prosecco growers will come to our rescue - ignoring the Irish border
Etc etc
Two years on we know Brexitism to be ideologically bankrupt, so I’m not holding my breath.
Seems to be true, if not with such strong language.
The things said by both are not contradictory.
_______________________________ Wadsworth said he and the Labour leader were “old friends and comrades” for many years. “When they called me on the first day of the hearing, they said to me that they had been working behind the scenes, that what I said wasn’t antisemitic,” he told a press conference.
Labour sources were adamant that the call had not been to offer support, but confirmed that a staff member had spoken to Wadsworth to contain any possible disruption of the hearing. The source claimed that during the call, Wadsworth expressed unhappiness at a lack of support from Corbyn.
“No member of staff called to offer Marc Wadsworth support,” a party source said. “Wadsworth did not claim support from Jeremy during his NCC hearing.” ________________________________
Wadsworth never said the call was to offer support, he said that they said in the call they had been working behind the scenes and that what he said wasn't anti semitic.
The thing they are working on behind the scenes isn't clear but could be making it clear that Wadsworth isn't anti semitic.
Unless we assume working behind the scenes means the call was to offer support, although again support isn't made clear, support to beat the hearing? or support against the idea of him being an anti semite?
People wanting to take an angle on it can say Ha Corbyn called him a liar but I suspect his office was pressed into action by some of the MPs and pointed out that it never called Wadsworth to offer support, which could be true depending on how you define various things and what they are denying they supported him on.
Peers are preparing a fresh attempt to block Britain’s departure from the European Union in the House of Lords tomorrow, it has been claimed.
Lord Callanan, a Brexit minister, said a Labour amendment due to be debated tomorrow would remove the Government’s power to negotiate with Brussels, handing it instead to Parliament.
Labour said the amendment would ensure a “meaningful role for Parliament” in the approval of a deal with the EU, adding to an amendment already forced on the Government by pro-Remain Tory rebels in the Commons.
If it is a Labour amendment, and Labour are currently still officially in favour of Brexiting (aren't they?) then how can their amendment be about blocking the departure? Or is the latter merely a claim about the impact of the amendment, and not the official purpose?
Is the whole of parliament really set up to negotiate in such a way? Not that the Cabinet have done a good job of coming up with a single stratagem, but how do 650 people do so?
Parliament/The Lords will form a Committee of Safety.
Who is today's Unless-Jesus-Christ-Had-Died-For-Thee-Thou-Hadst-Been-Damned Barebone?
Didn't we need a Committee of Safety precisely because we didn't have executive Cabinet government at the time, so there was no alternative but a parliamentary committee? What is Cabinet but a parliamentary committee after all?
As for Mr Barebone, he was a tradesman, religious and was picked by the army, so we're looking for a working man/woman, a believer (or possibly a BeLeaver), with army ties for preference. Any candidates?
Leavers might wish to reflect on the fact that they have never prioritised. Their intense hatred of all matters European has meant that they have never decided on which bits they were most keen to disavow. By making everything a red line, nothing got taken as immutable.
It looks like Brexit is best understood as a failed peaceful revolution, with the very sad exception of Jo Cox MP.
If it fails, it will be because of the staggering incompetence of its leaders. Its followers, who have egged them on at every stage, must take their share of the blame.
It is not so much incompetence as a lack of ruthlessness.
I believe the Leave line on such matters is: suck it up, loser.
But it is incompetence. Because Leavers have never decided what really mattered, they’ve never been clear about what they want to achieve. So they are clueless about whether to fight for immigration control, striking new trade deals or money.
I try and engage, and get this. You really are a spiteful, bitter, bile-filled piece of work.
We could have had control of everything, if only the institutions had been suitably reformed/decapitated. Many Leavers were naive about that.
If Leavers had spent less time exulting in a victory won through xenophobic lies and carrying out loyalty tests, and instead spent more time working on winning the peace, they would be far better placed now.
I have throughout sought to draw attention to the action points. But for some reason my advice has been spurned.
If Remainers had spent more time winning the argument than sneering at the voters, and then carping from the sidelines they'd be far better placed now. You tried to scare the voters with lies about immediate economic armageddon and then lost to a bus. Get over it.
In my view, a least worst Brexit is still achievable, but Leavers are going to have to do some thinking instead of:
The risk is that Remain Eurosceptics of the Cameron variety will see a reversal as too humiliating and instead try to engineer a mediocre association agreement of some sort.
Leavers might wish to reflect on the fact that they have never prioritised. Their intense hatred of all matters European has meant that they have never decided on which bits they were most keen to disavow. By making everything a red line, nothing got taken as immutable.
It looks like Brexit is best understood as a failed peaceful revolution, with the very sad exception of Jo Cox MP.
If it fails, it will be because of the staggering incompetence of its leaders. Its followers, who have egged them on at every stage, must take their share of the blame.
It is not so much incompetence as a lack of ruthlessness.
I believe the Leave line on such matters is: suck it up, loser.
But it is incompetence. Because Leavers have never decided what really mattered, they’ve never been clear about what they want to achieve. So they are clueless about whether to fight for immigration control, striking new trade deals or money.
I try and engage, and get this. You really are a spiteful, bitter, bile-filled piece of work.
We could have had control of everything, if only the institutions had been suitably reformed/decapitated. Many Leavers were naive about that.
If Leavers had spent less time exulting in a victory won through xenophobic lies and carrying out loyalty tests, and instead spent more time working on winning the peace, they would be far better placed now.
I have throughout sought to draw attention to the action points. But for some reason my advice has been spurned.
If Remainers had spent more time winning the argument than sneering at the voters, and then carping from the sidelines they'd be far better placed now. You tried to scare the voters with lies about immediate economic armageddon and then lost to a bus. Get over it.
You’ve had nearly two years behind the steering wheel. The mess is your own making. Vote Leave Avoid Responsibility is still going strong though.
Peers are preparing a fresh attempt to block Britain’s departure from the European Union in the House of Lords tomorrow, it has been claimed.
Lord Callanan, a Brexit minister, said a Labour amendment due to be debated tomorrow would remove the Government’s power to negotiate with Brussels, handing it instead to Parliament.
Labour said the amendment would ensure a “meaningful role for Parliament” in the approval of a deal with the EU, adding to an amendment already forced on the Government by pro-Remain Tory rebels in the Commons.
If it is a Labour amendment, and Labour are currently still officially in favour of Brexiting (aren't they?) then how can their amendment be about blocking the departure? Or is the latter merely a claim about the impact of the amendment, and not the official purpose?
Is the whole of parliament really set up to negotiate in such a way? Not that the Cabinet have done a good job of coming up with a single stratagem, but how do 650 people do so?
Parliament/The Lords will form a Committee of Safety.
Who is today's Unless-Jesus-Christ-Had-Died-For-Thee-Thou-Hadst-Been-Damned Barebone?
Didn't we need a Committee of Safety precisely because we didn't have executive Cabinet government at the time, so there was no alternative but a parliamentary committee? What is Cabinet but a parliamentary committee after all?
As for Mr Barebone, he was a tradesman, religious and was picked by the army, so we're looking for a working man/woman, a believer (or possibly a BeLeaver), with army ties for preference. Any candidates?
I reckon Dennis Skinner might be the guy, except on the army front.
' The institute also found that London's female employment rate had fallen back compared with other parts of the country.
In 1975, London's employment rate was the highest in the UK, at 63%. But despite strong employment growth in recent years, its figure was 74% in 2017 - joint-lowest together with Northern Ireland. '
Together with the story about London dominating the worst areas for childhood obesity it does seem that parts of London are sinking into ever deeper deprivation and squalor.
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If you're prepared to see the fall of the government and make Corbyn PM then you're not Tories, you're traitors.
I don’t think turning us into Venezuela will make you or I fell better. I totally understand your feelings though.
If she betrays my vote,time for PM corbyn.
If you can make that man Prime Minister then you do not have the best interests of the country at heart, ergo you're a traitor.
Again, Brexit will not be cancelled without a second referendum.
She's finally coming round to my thinking.
I'm calling it now. The Tories will make net gains in councillors outside of London.
Seems to be true, if not with such strong language.
We're becoming a country where people's votes mean absolutely nothing if they vote the "wrong" way - So let's bring on Jeremy Corbyn and see how the elite gets out of that!
Genuine question for you; will the Tory coalition be big enough if Brexit is cancelled to win another general election? I just don’t see grateful Remainers outnumbering bitter Leavers.
If delivering Brexit would guarantee that Corbyn would never be PM I'd be backing Brexit.
But as we've seen here Leavers would rather see Corbyn become PM than change their minds over Brexit.
If May betrays my vote then PM corbyn it is,like many leavers will do.
Brexit will only be cancelled if the British people vote for it to be so. Is this a betrayal, and if so, how can the British people betray themselves?
I have yet to encounter a pragmatic Europhobe.
The most telling observation given to me today.
If a week of bad weather can bring the economy to a standstill then we're buggered when Brexit happens.
I’m talking about cancellation following a second referendum. What then?
(*) But let me add that I don't mind drivers with fast reflexes racing at unfeasible speeds round in circles off the Queen's highway.
It will also need someone like Gove, Davis, or Fox to recant over Brexit.
Edit: Shortened for brevity
http://doctorwho.org.nz/archive/timeandspace/g/1969-11-28.jpg
The Remainers in Parliament are trying to find a way that they can overrule the will of the People. Traditionally this doesn’t end well for the elites who attempt to undermine democracy.
There is some residual left-wing cold war stuff around - people being anti-Israel because they're supported by America: they disapprove of Saudi Arabia and Ukraine in the same way. Others like me have just become more isolationist - we don't much like any of them and are disinclined to join in their wars, without liking their opponents either.
How many MP letters does Brady need again ?
I don’t think MPs are collectively insane enough to cancel Brexit on their own initiative.
The fiver that went down the back of a sofa in 1973 isn’t worth that when you retrieve it today.
Brexit does not return sovereignty. Brexit does not return control of borders or immigration. Globalisation has devoured that sovereignty. It’s not coming back.
How do you stop companies employing whoever they want from wherever they want? You can’t anymore. You need the enterprise here, you need the start up, the jobs, the taxes. Or Britain PLC goes bankrupt. There’s the dotted line to Customs Union. You sign it. The idea there was choice not to was just fantasy.
Impose X on companies to control immigration?
“Ha. Fine, thanks to internet, containerisation and global finance we can easily relocate or start up outside your X zone and you lose all kinds of advantages of having our business here”.
We are all waking up now. Brexit is over.
I'm sure the Remain wing of the party will be busy withdrawing their letters as we speak.
https://twitter.com/hendopolis/status/990333346407485441
Edit: A revelation I have had recently is that I share with Jeremy Corbyn of all people, an over emphasis on process.
https://twitter.com/hendopolis/status/990334317602762752
A lot of Tories hoping to go back to March I should think, April has been a cavalcade of scandal and incompetence.
But it is incompetence. Because Leavers have never decided what really mattered, they’ve never been clear about what they want to achieve. So they are clueless about whether to fight for immigration control, striking new trade deals or money.
So I think to say the test has passed for the EU is a bit strong - the thing about organisations is the need for continual justification, and the test for them will never end. I would hope you would agree they don't want to continue existing simply because it will be increasingly hard to leave, they want to continue existing because their purpose and outcomes are good for those involved. Most would still agree with that, and there does not appear to be a glut of others at a tipping point on it, but if they are smart they won't stop working to keep justifying themselves.
If you back Leave and/or Corbyn then you're a traitor or a useful idiot.
Repent now.
But no way to measure how much any such effort actually effects things?
Lord Callanan, a Brexit minister, said a Labour amendment due to be debated tomorrow would remove the Government’s power to negotiate with Brussels, handing it instead to Parliament.
Labour said the amendment would ensure a “meaningful role for Parliament” in the approval of a deal with the EU, adding to an amendment already forced on the Government by pro-Remain Tory rebels in the Commons.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/04/28/peers-decide-no-brexit-amendment/?utm_campaign=Echobox&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Twitter#link_time=1524948416
Good evening, everybody.
Is the whole of parliament really set up to negotiate in such a way? Not that the Cabinet have done a good job of coming up with a single stratagem, but how do 650 people do so?
We could have had control of everything, if only the institutions had been suitably reformed/decapitated. Many Leavers were naive about that.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/apr/19/brexit-could-spark-democratic-liberation-of-continent-says-gove
A British exit from the European Union could spark “the democratic liberation of a whole continent”, as other member countries follow Britain’s example and throw off the shackles of Brussels, the justice secretary, Michael Gove, has argued.
I would expect you of all people to remember that statement!
Who is today's Unless-Jesus-Christ-Had-Died-For-Thee-Thou-Hadst-Been-Damned Barebone?
After all, this period after the Brexit vote probably feels like a new era to some, but if you are right and we don't end up leaving after all, then the era will have remained the same. Mubarak stepping down in Egypt probably felt like the end of an era for awhile, but things seem pretty much back as they were there, from an outside perspective, just with a different strongman.
I have throughout sought to draw attention to the action points. But for some reason my advice has been spurned.
In my view, a least worst Brexit is still achievable, but Leavers are going to have to do some thinking instead of:
- promoting Leadsom for PM
- threatening war with Spain
- suggesting Brexit will be done in an afternoon
- promising a Brexit surplus for the NHS
- propagating Minford economics (aka close down the North)
- accusing the judiciary of being saboteurs
- assuming Italian prosecco growers will come to our rescue
- ignoring the Irish border
Etc etc
Two years on we know Brexitism to be ideologically bankrupt, so I’m not holding my breath.
_______________________________
Wadsworth said he and the Labour leader were “old friends and comrades” for many years. “When they called me on the first day of the hearing, they said to me that they had been working behind the scenes, that what I said wasn’t antisemitic,” he told a press conference.
Labour sources were adamant that the call had not been to offer support, but confirmed that a staff member had spoken to Wadsworth to contain any possible disruption of the hearing. The source claimed that during the call, Wadsworth expressed unhappiness at a lack of support from Corbyn.
“No member of staff called to offer Marc Wadsworth support,” a party source said. “Wadsworth did not claim support from Jeremy during his NCC hearing.”
________________________________
Wadsworth never said the call was to offer support, he said that they said in the call they had been working behind the scenes and that what he said wasn't anti semitic.
The thing they are working on behind the scenes isn't clear but could be making it clear that Wadsworth isn't anti semitic.
Unless we assume working behind the scenes means the call was to offer support, although again support isn't made clear, support to beat the hearing? or support against the idea of him being an anti semite?
People wanting to take an angle on it can say Ha Corbyn called him a liar but I suspect his office was pressed into action by some of the MPs and pointed out that it never called Wadsworth to offer support, which could be true depending on how you define various things and what they are denying they supported him on.
As for Mr Barebone, he was a tradesman, religious and was picked by the army, so we're looking for a working man/woman, a believer (or possibly a BeLeaver), with army ties for preference. Any candidates?
You are easily described. You at a fucking hypocrite.
' The institute also found that London's female employment rate had fallen back compared with other parts of the country.
In 1975, London's employment rate was the highest in the UK, at 63%. But despite strong employment growth in recent years, its figure was 74% in 2017 - joint-lowest together with Northern Ireland. '
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-43919090
Together with the story about London dominating the worst areas for childhood obesity it does seem that parts of London are sinking into ever deeper deprivation and squalor.