All that lying by corbyn and McDonnell during the GE, not that the cult care he is still the messiah.
I honestly think Corbyn and McDonnell are worse than Trump. In the fortnight since the election they have being coming out crackpot stuff at turbo speed. Bring down the government, break the US blockade of Cuba, scrap Trident, and yet more freebies. I find it hard to believe that people who previously supported Miliband, Brown, and Blair are really on side with these two. Being ahead in the polls is one thing, but do Labour supporters of old really agree with them?
They scare me more than trump, because the founding fathers of the us put in place lots of roadblocks to a nutter getting his way, which trump has already started to find out about.
We are in a bizarre form of political zugzwang.
May's demented rhetoric and actions on Brexit have legitimised the far left such that they are now favourites to win any new election.
But the existing electoral maths mean that the Tories can't actually *do* anything, while from a media perspective they are stuck defending Brexit.
The longer this goes on, the better for Labour (or rather the far left parasites who have taken control).
Hammond is not the answer.
I believe now the only hope for the Tories - and perhaps for the country - is someone fresh faced and uncontaminated to run for the leadership, turning the contest into an effective national campaign for the centre. He or she would promise to trigger a general election upon winning the leadership.
Best timing for this would be the autumn.
No, I don't know who. But it should be someone who can run, Macron style, against extremes of left and right.
All that lying by corbyn and McDonnell during the GE, not that the cult care he is still the messiah.
I honestly think Corbyn and McDonnell are worse than Trump. In the fortnight since the election they have being coming out crackpot stuff at turbo speed. Bring down the government, break the US blockade of Cuba, scrap Trident, and yet more freebies. I find it hard to believe that people who previously supported Miliband, Brown, and Blair are really on side with these two. Being ahead in the polls is one thing, but do Labour supporters of old really agree with them?
They scare me more than trump, because the founding fathers of the us put in place lots of roadblocks to a nutter getting his way, which trump has already started to find out about.
We are in a bizarre form of political zugzwang.
May's demented rhetoric and actions on Brexit have legitimised the far left such that they are now favourites to win any new election.
But the existing electoral maths mean that the Tories can't actually *do* anything, while from a media perspective they are stuck defending Brexit.
The longer this goes on, the better for Labour (or rather the far left parasites who have taken control).
Hammond is not the answer.
I believe now the only hope for the Tories - and perhaps for the country - is someone fresh faced and uncontaminated to run for the leadership, turning the contest into an effective national campaign for the centre. He or she would promise to trigger a general election upon winning the leadership.
Best timing for this would be the autumn.
No, I don't know who. But it should be someone who can run, Macron style, against extremes of left and right.
It doesn't seem likely to me that a centrist candidate can win over the tory party membership.
All that lying by corbyn and McDonnell during the GE, not that the cult care he is still the messiah.
I honestly think Corbyn and McDonnell are worse than Trump. In the fortnight since the election they have being coming out crackpot stuff at turbo speed. Bring down the government, break the US blockade of Cuba, scrap Trident, and yet more freebies. I find it hard to believe that people who previously supported Miliband, Brown, and Blair are really on side with these two. Being ahead in the polls is one thing, but do Labour supporters of old really agree with them?
They scare me more than trump, because the founding fathers of the us put in place lots of roadblocks to a nutter getting his way, which trump has already started to find out about.
Equally a nutter can be voted out of office in an hour in this country, in the US the process for removing a president is so complicated it's only even been invoked three times.
Indeed, Corbyn could probably be more easily removed via a confidence motion as PM than he can be as leader of the opposition, bearing in mind he has almost no chance of governing alone.
Is a Fair point about impeachment, but reality trump has a majority in both houses and can't still get much done at any particular rate, corbyn would with ease.
Even if trump gets the health care "reform" through it will be tied up in courts for years as was Obama care.
How?
If he got into power it would more or less have to be a coalition. There are not sixty-six obvious gains he could make.
Coalition would severely limit his room to manoeuvre. Ironically, as with Cameron being forced to be more centrist through a coalition so he cannot be as barking mad as he comes across might actually help him at a second election - but unlike Cameron age isn't on his side.
I was presuming he wins a majority. Due to fptp he was only acually a few 1000 being biggest party this time.
So was Theresa May from winning a biggish majority.And he's starting from much further back.
All that lying by corbyn and McDonnell during the GE, not that the cult care he is still the messiah.
I honestly think Corbyn and McDonnell are worse than Trump. In the fortnight since the election they have being coming out crackpot stuff at turbo speed. Bring down the government, break the US blockade of Cuba, scrap Trident, and yet more freebies. I find it hard to believe that people who previously supported Miliband, Brown, and Blair are really on side with these two. Being ahead in the polls is one thing, but do Labour supporters of old really agree with them?
They scare me more than trump, because the founding fathers of the us put in place lots of roadblocks to a nutter getting his way, which trump has already started to find out about.
We are in a bizarre form of political zugzwang.
May's demented rhetoric and actions on Brexit have legitimised the far left such that they are now favourites to win any new election.
But the existing electoral maths mean that the Tories can't actually *do* anything, while from a media perspective they are stuck defending Brexit.
The longer this goes on, the better for Labour (or rather the far left parasites who have taken control).
Hammond is not the answer.
I believe now the only hope for the Tories - and perhaps for the country - is someone fresh faced and uncontaminated to run for the leadership, turning the contest into an effective national campaign for the centre. He or she would promise to trigger a general election upon winning the leadership.
Best timing for this would be the autumn.
No, I don't know who. But it should be someone who can run, Macron style, against extremes of left and right.
Kwasi Kwarteng. He should be pleased, that post has just cost me about three quid, does it count as a vote?
I actually don't see anything wrong with banning driverless trains. I wouldn't feel safe going on a train without a driver.
I actually don't think Labour's manifesto is the big issue. It isn't really that radical. The issue is what Corbyn and McDonnell would like to do that they haven't been quite honest about.
But all this panicking about a Corbyn/McDonnell government on here is hilarious and ridiculous. The truth is, politics is unpredictable as ever - there are no certainties anymore so it's time to stop talking as if there are. What I would say is that it's unlikely that any party is going to win a comfortable or even a working majority at the next GE. It is likely to be a small majority or being the largest party in a hung parliament, and in that scenario no party gets to do whatever they want lol. So stop with the apocalyptic scenarios.
Just come back from Vancouver and they have the most fantastic driverless metro system. We are dinosaurs if we dont look to the future which in many countries is happening now
All that lying by corbyn and McDonnell during the GE, not that the cult care he is still the messiah.
I honestly think Corbyn and McDonnell are worse than Trump. In the fortnight since the election they have being coming out crackpot stuff at turbo speed. Bring down the government, break the US blockade of Cuba, scrap Trident, and yet more freebies. I find it hard to believe that people who previously supported Miliband, Brown, and Blair are really on side with these two. Being ahead in the polls is one thing, but do Labour supporters of old really agree with them?
They scare me more than trump, because the founding fathers of the us put in place lots of roadblocks to a nutter getting his way, which trump has already started to find out about.
We are in a bizarre form of political zugzwang.
May's demented rhetoric and actions on Brexit have legitimised the far left such that they are now favourites to win any new election.
But the existing electoral maths mean that the Tories can't actually *do* anything, while from a media perspective they are stuck defending Brexit.
The longer this goes on, the better for Labour (or rather the far left parasites who have taken control).
Hammond is not the answer.
I believe now the only hope for the Tories - and perhaps for the country - is someone fresh faced and uncontaminated to run for the leadership, turning the contest into an effective national campaign for the centre. He or she would promise to trigger a general election upon winning the leadership.
Best timing for this would be the autumn.
No, I don't know who. But it should be someone who can run, Macron style, against extremes of left and right.
There is no justification for an early general election. And no reason for opposition parties to grant one, just to help out the Conservative Party.
The voters have delivered their verdict, and the politicians will just have to get on and do the job we elected them to do.
On Topic: " Under one plan gaining traction with Tory MPs, May’s successor would announce that there would be a general election after Brexit in 2019 in which the public could have a say on the final deal"
Can someone explain how that would work? Would it be a General Election and a referendum combined. Or would it be a General Election with the Conservatives having acceptance of the deal they negotiated in their manifesto?
If the latter, then it isn't really giving the public a say on the final deal, is it?
I believe now the only hope for the Tories - and perhaps for the country - is someone fresh faced and uncontaminated to run for the leadership, turning the contest into an effective national campaign for the centre. He or she would promise to trigger a general election upon winning the leadership.
There was a front page story in today's Telegraph about "the party" wanting a younger, fresher candidate to run in a future leadership election.
All that lying by corbyn and McDonnell during the GE, not that the cult care he is still the messiah.
I honestly think Corbyn and McDonnell are worse than Trump. In the fortnight since the election they have being coming out crackpot stuff at turbo speed. Bring down the government, break the US blockade of Cuba, scrap Trident, and yet more freebies. I find it hard to believe that people who previously supported Miliband, Brown, and Blair are really on side with these two. Being ahead in the polls is one thing, but do Labour supporters of old really agree with them?
They scare me more than trump, because the founding fathers of the us put in place lots of roadblocks to a nutter getting his way, which trump has already started to find out about.
We are in a bizarre form of political zugzwang.
May's demented rhetoric and actions on Brexit have legitimised the far left such that they are now favourites to win any new election.
But the existing electoral maths mean that the Tories can't actually *do* anything, while from a media perspective they are stuck defending Brexit.
The longer this goes on, the better for Labour (or rather the far left parasites who have taken control).
Hammond is not the answer.
I believe now the only hope for the Tories - and perhaps for the country - is someone fresh faced and uncontaminated to run for the leadership, turning the contest into an effective national campaign for the centre. He or she would promise to trigger a general election upon winning the leadership.
Best timing for this would be the autumn.
No, I don't know who. But it should be someone who can run, Macron style, against extremes of left and right.
It doesn't seem likely to me that a centrist candidate can win over the tory party membership.
I agree the Cameroons admired Blair and the third way .However they are going nowhere the same applies to both the main parties.As for France who knows .
I actually don't see anything wrong with banning driverless trains. I wouldn't feel safe going on a train without a driver.
I actually don't think Labour's manifesto is the big issue. It isn't really that radical. The issue is what Corbyn and McDonnell would like to do that they haven't been quite honest about.
But all this panicking about a Corbyn/McDonnell government on here is hilarious and ridiculous. The truth is, politics is unpredictable as ever - there are no certainties anymore so it's time to stop talking as if there are. What I would say is that it's unlikely that any party is going to win a comfortable or even a working majority at the next GE. It is likely to be a small majority or being the largest party in a hung parliament, and in that scenario no party gets to do whatever they want lol. So stop with the apocalyptic scenarios.
"I actually don't see anything wrong with banning driverless trains. I wouldn't feel safe going on a train without a driver."
Why?
Have you ever been on the DLR, and are you aware that on many tube lines the trains are under Automatic Train Operation and the only thing the driver does is operate the doors (oddly the hardest thing to automate)?
Though the difficulty of ensuring doors are clear when closing means that the railways and tubes won't stop having at least one member of staff per train on existing lines for some time.
All that lying by corbyn and McDonnell during the GE, not that the cult care he is still the messiah.
I
We are in a bizarre form of political zugzwang.
May's demented rhetoric and actions on Brexit have legitimised the far left such that they are now favourites to win any new election.
But the existing electoral maths mean that the Tories can't actually *do* anything, while from a media perspective they are stuck defending Brexit.
The longer this goes on, the better for Labour (or rather the far left parasites who have taken control).
Hammond is not the answer.
I believe now the only hope for the Tories - and perhaps for the country - is someone fresh faced and uncontaminated to run for the leadership, turning the contest into an effective national campaign for the centre. He or she would promise to trigger a general election upon winning the leadership.
Best timing for this would be the autumn.
No, I don't know who. But it should be someone who can run, Macron style, against extremes of left and right.
There is no justification for an early general election. And no reason for opposition parties to grant one, just to help out the Conservative Party.
The voters have delivered their verdict, and the politicians will just have to get on and do the job we elected them to do.
If I were the Conservatives, I'd aim to lock-in the DUP for the full five years and to hell with the furore.
Skillful party management and premiership should be able to steer most bills and budgets through, even if heavily amended at terms, and it last the term.
Conservative success is ultimately predicated on lasting in office long-enough for a return to real wage growth, improving living standards, and an end to austerity.
Did you ever get an explanation for the bounced Betfair cheque?
Not yet. I told them on Friday afternoon that I expected them to transfer the money to my bank account immediately. They were saying I had to run around sending the bounced cheque back to Dublin. I pointed out that this would introduce even more delay into a withdrawal which had so far taken two weeks, and it was entirely up to them to sort it out. The accounts department were supposed to be getting back to me urgently.
All that lying by corbyn and McDonnell during the GE, not that the cult care he is still the messiah.
I honestly think Corbyn and McDonnell are worse than Trump. In the fortnight since the election they have being coming out crackpot stuff at turbo speed. Bring down the government, break the US blockade of Cuba, scrap Trident, and yet more freebies. I find it hard to believe that people who previously supported Miliband, Brown, and Blair are really on side with these two. Being ahead in the polls is one thing, but do Labour supporters of old really agree with them?
They scare me more than trump, because the founding fathers of the us put in place lots of roadblocks to a nutter getting his way, which trump has already started to find out about.
Trouble is if you trash every Labour leader the attacks become obsolete to many.For fucks sake many on here and in the media called Milliband a communist and attacked his father for been a Marxist.
Can't remember anyone calling Miliband a Communist, certainly not on here. Most of the personal attacks were on his geekishness, which is why the bacon sandwich fiasco had traction.
He exploited his personal connections and his family to get a job far beyond his capacity, of course, but then so has Corbyn.
Ed Milliband was attacked relentlessly over predatory capitalism .I remember Vince Cable gave him a hearing.As for the geek attacks you reap what you sow.
The bacon sandwich episode was unedifying and absurd - the video was of a bloke eating a sarnie. Anyone would look ridiculous eating if the image was selected from 100 freeze frames.
All that lying by corbyn and McDonnell during the GE, not that the cult care he is still the messiah.
I
We are in a bizarre form of political zugzwang.
May's demented rhetoric and actions on Brexit have legitimised the far left such that they are now favourites to win any new election.
But the existing electoral maths mean that the Tories can't actually *do* anything, while from a media perspective they are stuck defending Brexit.
The longer this goes on, the better for Labour (or rather the far left parasites who have taken control).
Hammond is not the answer.
I believe now the only hope for the Tories - and perhaps for the country - is someone fresh faced and uncontaminated to run for the leadership, turning the contest into an effective national campaign for the centre. He or she would promise to trigger a general election upon winning the leadership.
Best timing for this would be the autumn.
No, I don't know who. But it should be someone who can run, Macron style, against extremes of left and right.
There is no justification for an early general election. And no reason for opposition parties to grant one, just to help out the Conservative Party.
The voters have delivered their verdict, and the politicians will just have to get on and do the job we elected them to do.
If I were the Conservatives, I'd aim to lock-in the DUP for the full five years and to hell with the furore.
Skillful party management and premiership should be able to steer most bills and budgets through, even if heavily amended at terms, and it last the term.
Conservative success is ultimately predicated on lasting in office long-enough for a return to real wage growth, improving living standards, and an end to austerity.
He probably doesn't. But then from that Times article they aren't planning to go into an election with him as leader anyway. He would be PM for two years and then they'd get some one more electable.
I think the Conservatives are seriously concerned about May messing up Brexit which really would be electoral suicide for them. The thinking seems to be that Hammond would handle Brexit a lot better than May.
Ken Clarke this morning on Sophy firmly put down any chance of a leadership contest and endorsed Theresa May
We'll see what happens.
He was very good and loyal - he would make a good interim leader himself
I think Ken Clarke would be a great PM even if for a short period. But the Tories would never let him be leader.
But they should do. Ken would wipe the floor with Corbyn.
Corbyn hasn't suddenly become some kind of brilliant Parliamentary orator. I know it's silly season, but there's an outbreak of mass hysteria over a 68 year old, far left manhole cover collector.
Away from his foaming teenage groupees, he will still be the bumbling, dim-witted idiot he always has been.
For the first time in a generation, a general election was fought on two very different competing ideologies. Austerity vs socialism. Hope vs decline. Not May vs Corbyn.
Yes, people are voting for Corbyn, but in a much greater sense they are voting for what he represents - an end to the neo-liberal consensus which the Tories, the Lib Dems and New Labour all signed up to.
Corbyn's masterstroke has been to present his 70s-era ideology as something genuinely new and untested. And it's working, for anyone under the age of 40 - and quite a few more besides.
The next election won't be fought between Corbyn and [Whoever is Tory leader by then], it will be "40 years of neo-liberalism from all the main parties vs kicking the establishment and voting for change".
People said that Trump was foaming and dim-witted, it didn't stop him from winning.
When Tony Benn describes his vision for the Labour Party in this interview from 1980, he is describing it today!
Half way through. Truly extraordinary that Labour is now led by a continuity Bennite, leading in the polls, who may well be just one more Tory slip-up away from power.
All that lying by corbyn and McDonnell during the GE, not that the cult care he is still the messiah.
I
We are in a bizarre form of political zugzwang.
May's demented rhetoric and actions on Brexit have legitimised the far left such that they are now favourites to win any new election.
But the existing electoral maths mean that the Tories can't actually *do* anything, while from a media perspective they are stuck defending Brexit.
The longer this goes on, the better for Labour (or rather the far left parasites who have taken control).
Hammond is not the answer.
I believe now the only hope for the Tories - and perhaps for the country - is someone fresh faced and uncontaminated to run for the leadership, turning the contest into an effective national campaign for the centre. He or she would promise to trigger a general election upon winning the leadership.
Best timing for this would be the autumn.
No, I don't know who. But it should be someone who can run, Macron style, against extremes of left and right.
There is no justification for an early general election. And no reason for opposition parties to grant one, just to help out the Conservative Party.
The voters have delivered their verdict, and the politicians will just have to get on and do the job we elected them to do.
If I were the Conservatives, I'd aim to lock-in the DUP for the full five years and to hell with the furore.
Skillful party management and premiership should be able to steer most bills and budgets through, even if heavily amended at terms, and it last the term.
Conservative success is ultimately predicated on lasting in office long-enough for a return to real wage growth, improving living standards, and an end to austerity.
All that lying by corbyn and McDonnell during the GE, not that the cult care he is still the messiah.
I honestly think Corbyn and McDonnell are worse than Trump. In the fortnight since the election they have being coming out crackpot stuff at turbo speed. Bring down the government, break the US blockade of Cuba, scrap Trident, and yet more freebies. I find it hard to believe that people who previously supported Miliband, Brown, and Blair are really on side with these two. Being ahead in the polls is one thing, but do Labour supporters of old really agree with them?
They scare me more than trump, because the founding fathers of the us put in place lots of roadblocks to a nutter getting his way, which trump has already started to find out about.
Trouble is if you trash every Labour leader the attacks become obsolete to many.For fucks sake many on here and in the media called Milliband a communist and attacked his father for been a Marxist.
Can't remember anyone calling Miliband a Communist, certainly not on here. Most of the personal attacks were on his geekishness, which is why the bacon sandwich fiasco had traction.
He exploited his personal connections and his family to get a job far beyond his capacity, of course, but then so has Corbyn.
Ed Milliband was attacked relentlessly over predatory capitalism .I remember Vince Cable gave him a hearing.As for the geek attacks you reap what you sow.
The bacon sandwich episode was unedifying and absurd - the video was of a bloke eating a sarnie. Anyone would look ridiculous eating if the image was selected from 100 freeze frames.
Did you ever get an explanation for the bounced Betfair cheque?
Not yet. I told them on Friday afternoon that I expected them to transfer the money to my bank account immediately. They were saying I had to run around sending the bounced cheque back to Dublin. The accounts department were supposed to be getting back to me urgently.
Silence so far.
Thanks Richard.
I withdrew my balance when I heard and am keeping it at zero until I hear some more positive news.
All that lying by corbyn and McDonnell during the GE, not that the cult care he is still the messiah.
I
We are in a bizarre form of political zugzwang.
May's demented rhetoric and actions on Brexit have legitimised the far left such that they are now favourites to win any new election.
But the existing electoral maths mean that the Tories can't actually *do* anything, while from a media perspective they are stuck defending Brexit.
The longer this goes on, the better for Labour (or rather the far left parasites who have taken control).
Hammond is not the answer.
I believe now the only hope for the Tories - and perhaps for the country - is someone fresh faced and uncontaminated to run for the leadership, turning the contest into an effective national campaign for the centre. He or she would promise to trigger a general election upon winning the leadership.
Best timing for this would be the autumn.
No, I don't know who. But it should be someone who can run, Macron style, against extremes of left and right.
There is no justification for an early general election. And no reason for opposition parties to grant one, just to help out the Conservative Party.
The voters have delivered their verdict, and the politicians will just have to get on and do the job we elected them to do.
If I were the Conservatives, I'd aim to lock-in the DUP for the full five years and to hell with the furore.
Skillful party management and premiership should be able to steer most bills and budgets through, even if heavily amended at terms, and it last the term.
Conservative success is ultimately predicated on lasting in office long-enough for a return to real wage growth, improving living standards, and an end to austerity.
All that lying by corbyn and McDonnell during the GE, not that the cult care he is still the messiah.
I
We are in a bizarre form of political zugzwang.
May's demented rhetoric and actions on Brexit have legitimised the far left such that they are now favourites to win any new election.
But the existing electoral maths mean that the Tories can't actually *do* anything, while from a media perspective they are stuck defending Brexit.
The longer this goes on, the better for Labour (or rather the far left parasites who have taken control).
Hammond is not the answer.
I believe now the only hope for the Tories - and perhaps for the country - is someone fresh faced and uncontaminated to run for the leadership, turning the contest into an effective national campaign for the centre. He or she would promise to trigger a general election upon winning the leadership.
Best timing for this would be the autumn.
No, I don't know who. But it should be someone who can run, Macron style, against extremes of left and right.
There is no justification for an early general election. And no reason for opposition parties to grant one, just to help out the Conservative Party.
The voters have delivered their verdict, and the politicians will just have to get on and do the job we elected them to do.
If I were the Conservatives, I'd aim to lock-in the DUP for the full five years and to hell with the furore.
Skillful party management and premiership should be able to steer most bills and budgets through, even if heavily amended at terms, and it last the term.
Conservative success is ultimately predicated on lasting in office long-enough for a return to real wage growth, improving living standards, and an end to austerity.
Clinging on to power for dear life. Pathetic.
That is the hand that the voters have dealt, so the Conservatives must play it. The Conservatives won a majority in Great Britain, and the DUP won a majority in Northern Ireland.
All that lying by corbyn and McDonnell during the GE, not that the cult care he is still the messiah.
I
We are in a bizarre form of political zugzwang.
May's demented rhetoric and actions on Brexit have legitimised the far left such that they are now favourites to win any new election.
But the existing electoral maths mean that the Tories can't actually *do* anything, while from a media perspective they are stuck defending Brexit.
The longer this goes on, the better for Labour (or rather the far left parasites who have taken control).
Hammond is not the answer.
I believe now the only hope for the Tories - and perhaps for the country - is someone fresh faced and uncontaminated to run for the leadership, turning the contest into an effective national campaign for the centre. He or she would promise to trigger a general election upon winning the leadership.
Best timing for this would be the autumn.
No, I don't know who. But it should be someone who can run, Macron style, against extremes of left and right.
There is no justification for an early general election. And no reason for opposition parties to grant one, just to help out the Conservative Party.
The voters have delivered their verdict, and the politicians will just have to get on and do the job we elected them to do.
If I were the Conservatives, I'd aim to lock-in the DUP for the full five years and to hell with the furore.
Skillful party management and premiership should be able to steer most bills and budgets through, even if heavily amended at terms, and it last the term.
Conservative success is ultimately predicated on lasting in office long-enough for a return to real wage growth, improving living standards, and an end to austerity.
Clinging on to power for dear life. Pathetic.
I hate to be the one to break it to you but the purpose of political parties is to gain and retain office so they can enact their programmes.
Anyhoo, this is the moment I have been hinting at for a while. As of tomorrow I start marking A-levels and the moment that finishes I am off on what I feel is a well-deserved holiday for a few weeks. So I am going to take a complete break from PB from for a while. I may be back in September - then again, if things are very busy in September (having been promoted yet again) I may not be coming back to add to my 6018 posts in this incarnation alone.
So have fun, keep classy ladies and gentlemen of the best politics forum on the internet and enjoy a rather bumpy ride coming up. I hope to come back and rejoin you before long and learn more about the incredible antics of JackW's mighty ARSE, comparing it to the performance of the great eight foot horn I use when my organ is fully blown.
All that lying by corbyn and McDonnell during the GE, not that the cult care he is still the messiah.
I
We are in a bizarre form of political zugzwang.
May's demented rhetoric and actions on Brexit have legitimised the far left such that they are now favourites to win any new election.
But the existing electoral maths mean that the Tories can't actually *do* anything, while from a media perspective they are stuck defending Brexit.
The longer this goes on, the better for Labour (or rather the far left parasites who have taken control).
Hammond is not the answer.
I believe now the only hope for the Tories - and perhaps for the country - is someone fresh faced and uncontaminated to run for the leadership, turning the contest into an effective national campaign for the centre. He or she would promise to trigger a general election upon winning the leadership.
Best timing for this would be the autumn.
No, I don't know who. But it should be someone who can run, Macron style, against extremes of left and right.
There is no justification for an early general election. And no reason for opposition parties to grant one, just to help out the Conservative Party.
The voters have delivered their verdict, and the politicians will just have to get on and do the job we elected them to do.
If I were the Conservatives, I'd aim to lock-in the DUP for the full five years and to hell with the furore.
Skillful party management and premiership should be able to steer most bills and budgets through, even if heavily amended at terms, and it last the term.
Conservative success is ultimately predicated on lasting in office long-enough for a return to real wage growth, improving living standards, and an end to austerity.
Clinging on to power for dear life. Pathetic.
I hate to be the one to break it to you but the purpose of political parties is to gain and retain office so they can enact their programmes.
If I have to I probably would, I'd just force myself to get over any fears or apprehensions.
When I travelled on the Vancouver metro system last month I had no idea it was completely automated with no on board staff or drivers until my son told me. It was just so fast, efficient, clean and amazing and each one following each other within minutes
All that lying by corbyn and McDonnell during the GE, not that the cult care he is still the messiah.
I
We are in a bizarre form of political zugzwang.
May's demented rhetoric and actions on Brexit have legitimised the far left such that they are now favourites to win any new election.
But the existing electoral maths mean that the Tories can't actually *do* anything, while from a media perspective they are stuck defending Brexit.
The longer this goes on, the better for Labour (or rather the far left parasites who have taken control).
Hammond is not the answer.
I believe now the only hope for the Tories - and perhaps for the country - is someone fresh faced and uncontaminated to run for the leadership, turning the contest into an effective national campaign for the centre. He or she would promise to trigger a general election upon winning the leadership.
Best timing for this would be the autumn.
No, I don't know who. But it should be someone who can run, Macron style, against extremes of left and right.
There is no justification for an early general election. And no reason for opposition parties to grant one, just to help out the Conservative Party.
The voters have delivered their verdict, and the politicians will just have to get on and do the job we elected them to do.
If I were the Conservatives, I'd aim to lock-in the DUP for the full five years and to hell with the furore.
Skillful party management and premiership should be able to steer most bills and budgets through, even if heavily amended at terms, and it last the term.
Conservative success is ultimately predicated on lasting in office long-enough for a return to real wage growth, improving living standards, and an end to austerity.
Clinging on to power for dear life. Pathetic.
I hate to be the one to break it to you but the purpose of political parties is to gain and retain office so they can enact their programmes.
Anyhoo, this is the moment I have been hinting at for a while. As of tomorrow I start marking A-levels and the moment that finishes I am off on what I feel is a well-deserved holiday for a few weeks. So I am going to take a complete break from PB from for a while. I may be back in September - then again, if things are very busy in September (having been promoted yet again) I may not be coming back to add to my 6018 posts in this incarnation alone.
So have fun, keep classy ladies and gentlemen of the best politics forum on the internet and enjoy a rather bumpy ride coming up. I hope to come back and rejoin you before long and learn more about the incredible antics of JackW's mighty ARSE, comparing it to the performance of the great eight foot horn I use when my organ is fully blown.
With best wishes
Y Doethur.
Have a great break and hope you return in due course. I do intend to contribute less over the summer but it does become addictive if you are not careful
I think the way May is getting a grip on the fire cladding nationwide so quickly is impressive.
The DUP and EU negotiations, slightly less so.
Dealing with a crisis such as the cladding issue is exactly what she is good at.
What we really need to know on these combustibility tests is whether they are saying they should never have been installed (i.e. that they contravened the regulations at the time they were installed), or whether they are saying that in the light of the Grenfell tragedy they think that the regulations need to be urgently updated. If the former, it seems almost unbelievable that no building inspectors or fire services noticed, and that so many contractors and architects missed it or were complicit in it.
Did you ever get an explanation for the bounced Betfair cheque?
Not yet. I told them on Friday afternoon that I expected them to transfer the money to my bank account immediately. They were saying I had to run around sending the bounced cheque back to Dublin. The accounts department were supposed to be getting back to me urgently.
Silence so far.
Thanks Richard.
I withdrew my balance when I heard and am keeping it at zero until I hear some more positive news.
I'll get on to them on Monday.
I think it's a screw-up on their part, but it certainly doesn't inspire confidence, and I was very unimpressed with their response.
The bacon sandwich episode was unedifying and absurd - the video was of a bloke eating a sarnie. Anyone would look ridiculous eating if the image was selected from 100 freeze frames.
It was his own staged photo-shoot! This wasn't the media ambushing him unfairly, it was him ambushing himself.
If I have to I probably would, I'd just force myself to get over any fears or apprehensions.
When I travelled on the Vancouver metro system last month I had no idea it was completely automated with no on board staff or drivers until my son told me. It was just so fast, efficient, clean and amazing and each one following each other within minutes
Ah, interesting. Thanks for that info, I didn't know the extent to which both our system was so automated and the success of other automated systems aboard.
If I have to I probably would, I'd just force myself to get over any fears or apprehensions.
When I travelled on the Vancouver metro system last month I had no idea it was completely automated with no on board staff or drivers until my son told me. It was just so fast, efficient, clean and amazing and each one following each other within minutes
Ah, interesting. Thanks for that info, I didn't know the extent to which both our system was so automated and the success of other automated systems aboard.
I'd be worried about driverless trains running at high speed. The DLR travels at a very sedate pace.
If I have to I probably would, I'd just force myself to get over any fears or apprehensions.
When I travelled on the Vancouver metro system last month I had no idea it was completely automated with no on board staff or drivers until my son told me. It was just so fast, efficient, clean and amazing and each one following each other within minutes
Ah, interesting. Thanks for that info, I didn't know the extent to which both our system was so automated and the success of other automated systems aboard.
It is the future but one the RMT aided by Corbyn want to stop to defend jobs that in the end will go anyway
If I have to I probably would, I'd just force myself to get over any fears or apprehensions.
When I travelled on the Vancouver metro system last month I had no idea it was completely automated with no on board staff or drivers until my son told me. It was just so fast, efficient, clean and amazing and each one following each other within minutes
Ah, interesting. Thanks for that info, I didn't know the extent to which both our system was so automated and the success of other automated systems aboard.
It is the future but one the RMT aided by Corbyn want to stop to defend jobs that in the end will go anyway
If I have to I probably would, I'd just force myself to get over any fears or apprehensions.
When I travelled on the Vancouver metro system last month I had no idea it was completely automated with no on board staff or drivers until my son told me. It was just so fast, efficient, clean and amazing and each one following each other within minutes
Ah, interesting. Thanks for that info, I didn't know the extent to which both our system was so automated and the success of other automated systems aboard.
I'd be worried about driverless trains running at high speed. The DLR travels at a very sedate pace.
Would have thought a computer would be better suited to such situations, given the quick reaction times required.
All that lying by corbyn and McDonnell during the GE, not that the cult care he is still the messiah.
I honestly think Corbyn and McDonnell are worse than Trump. In the fortnight since the election they have being coming out crackpot stuff at turbo speed. Bring down the government, break the US blockade of Cuba, scrap Trident, and yet more freebies. I find it hard to believe that people who previously supported Miliband, Brown, and Blair are really on side with these two. Being ahead in the polls is one thing, but do Labour supporters of old really agree with them?
They scare me more than trump, because the founding fathers of the us put in place lots of roadblocks to a nutter getting his way, which trump has already started to find out about.
Trouble is if you trash every Labour leader the attacks become obsolete to many.For fucks sake many on here and in the media called Milliband a communist and attacked his father for been a Marxist.
All that lying by corbyn and McDonnell during the GE, not that the cult care he is still the messiah.
I
We are in a bizarre form of political zugzwang.
May's demented rhetoric and actions on Brexit have legitimised the far left such that they are now favourites to win any new election.
But the existing electoral maths mean that the Tories can't actually *do* anything, while from a media perspective they are stuck defending Brexit.
The longer this goes on, the better for Labour (or rather the far left parasites who have taken control).
Hammond is not the answer.
I believe now the only hope for the Tories - and perhaps for the country - is someone fresh faced and uncontaminated to run for the leadership, turning the contest into an effective national campaign for the centre. He or she would promise to trigger a general election upon winning the leadership.
Best timing for this would be the autumn.
No, I don't know who. But it should be someone who can run, Macron style, against extremes of left and right.
There is no justification for an early general election. And no reason for opposition parties to grant one, just to help out the Conservative Party.
The voters have delivered their verdict, and the politicians will just have to get on and do the job we elected them to do.
If I were the Conservatives, I'd aim to lock-in the DUP for the full five years and to hell with the furore.
Skillful party management and premiership should be able to steer most bills and budgets through, even if heavily amended at terms, and it last the term.
Conservative success is ultimately predicated on lasting in office long-enough for a return to real wage growth, improving living standards, and an end to austerity.
Clinging on to power for dear life. Pathetic.
I hate to be the one to break it to you but the purpose of political parties is to gain and retain office so they can enact their programmes.
Or the DUP?
Certainly, the same applies to the DUP as well.
The main difficulty with the DUP is that unlike the UUP, or Scottish Conservatives, they're only looking out for Northern Ireland, rather than the UK as a whole.
If I have to I probably would, I'd just force myself to get over any fears or apprehensions.
When I travelled on the Vancouver metro system last month I had no idea it was completely automated with no on board staff or drivers until my son told me. It was just so fast, efficient, clean and amazing and each one following each other within minutes
Ah, interesting. Thanks for that info, I didn't know the extent to which both our system was so automated and the success of other automated systems aboard.
I'd be worried about driverless trains running at high speed. The DLR travels at a very sedate pace.
Speed really isn't an issue : in fact, the automated systems should be just as safe as ones with drivers during normal operation - many new trains around the world have in-cab signalling, so it's not as if the train need to 'look' at the signals.
The issue is ensuring passenger safety at stations wrt doors. It can be done on new lines, but is an expensive pain to retrofit to existing stations. Another major issue is what happens during non-'ordinary' operations: when things go slightly wrong (e.g. partial signal failure) then drivers can be much more flexible that automated systems.
If I have to I probably would, I'd just force myself to get over any fears or apprehensions.
When I travelled on the Vancouver metro system last month I had no idea it was completely automated with no on board staff or drivers until my son told me. It was just so fast, efficient, clean and amazing and each one following each other within minutes
Ah, interesting. Thanks for that info, I didn't know the extent to which both our system was so automated and the success of other automated systems aboard.
I'd be worried about driverless trains running at high speed. The DLR travels at a very sedate pace.
Would have thought a computer would be better suited to such situations, given the quick reaction times required.
The ones in Vancouver travel quickly and within minutes of each other
All that lying by corbyn and McDonnell during the GE, not that the cult care he is still the messiah.
I honestly think Corbyn and McDonnell are worse than Trump. In the fortnight since the election they have being coming out crackpot stuff at turbo speed. Bring down the government, break the US blockade of Cuba, scrap Trident, and yet more freebies. I find it hard to believe that people who previously supported Miliband, Brown, and Blair are really on side with these two. Being ahead in the polls is one thing, but do Labour supporters of old really agree with them?
They scare me more than trump, because the founding fathers of the us put in place lots of roadblocks to a nutter getting his way, which trump has already started to find out about.
Trouble is if you trash every Labour leader the attacks become obsolete to many.For fucks sake many on here and in the media called Milliband a communist and attacked his father for been a Marxist.
That's exactly it. The boy who cried wolf.
I have covered this in my (very occasional) blog. Written just before the election.
Contrary to much of the opinion on here, I think the PM is doing a very good job. Dealing with serious issues like at the moment, is what she is good out. So, she isn't good at campaigning, unlike Jeremy Corbyn, who has spent years going on protests and standing on soap-boxes. He is not a PM in waiting. His remarks yesterday about scrapping Trident, is what he is about, a very dangerous man, supported by equally dangerous people, who do not have the security of this country at heart.
The conservatives really need to start getting after him because the media are clearly not.
All that lying by corbyn and McDonnell during the GE, not that the cult care he is still the messiah.
I
We are in a bizarre form of political zugzwang.
May's demented rhetoric and actions on Brexit have legitimised the far left such that they are now favourites to win any new election.
But the existing electoral maths mean that the Tories can't actually *do* anything, while from a media perspective they are stuck defending Brexit.
The longer this goes on, the better for Labour (or rather the far left parasites who have taken control).
Hammond is not the answer.
I believe now the only hope for the Tories - and perhaps for the country - is someone fresh faced and uncontaminated to run for the leadership, turning the contest into an effective national campaign for the centre. He or she would promise to trigger a general election upon winning the leadership.
Best timing for this would be the autumn.
No, I don't know who. But it should be someone who can run, Macron style, against extremes of left and right.
There is no justification for an early general election. And no reason for opposition parties to grant one, just to help out the Conservative Party.
The voters have delivered their verdict, and the politicians will just have to get on and do the job we elected them to do.
If I were the Conservatives, I'd aim to lock-in the DUP for the full five years and to hell with the furore.
Skillful party management and premiership should be able to steer most bills and budgets through, even if heavily amended at terms, and it last the term.
Conservative success is ultimately predicated on lasting in office long-enough for a return to real wage growth, improving living standards, and an end to austerity.
Clinging on to power for dear life. Pathetic.
I hate to be the one to break it to you but the purpose of political parties is to gain and retain office so they can enact their programmes.
Or the DUP?
Certainly, the same applies to the DUP as well.
The main difficulty with the DUP is that unlike the UUP, or Scottish Conservatives, they're only looking out for Northern Ireland, rather than the UK as a whole.
I think that's true of public policy and finances in general.
I don't think that's the case with matters of UK nationhood, like Brexit, the constitution or defence.
All that lying by corbyn and McDonnell during the GE, not that the cult care he is still the messiah.
I
We are in a bizarre form of political zugzwang.
May's demented rhetoric and actions on Brexit have legitimised the far left such that they are now favourites to win any new election.
But the existing electoral maths mean that the Tories can't actually *do* anything, while from a media perspective they are stuck defending Brexit.
The longer this goes on, the better for Labour (or rather the far left parasites who have taken control).
Hammond is not the answer.
I believe now the only hope for the Tories - and perhaps for the country - is someone fresh faced and uncontaminated to run for the leadership, turning the contest into an effective national campaign for the centre. He or she would promise to trigger a general election upon winning the leadership.
Best timing for this would be the autumn.
No, I don't know who. But it should be someone who can run, Macron style, against extremes of left and right.
There is no justification for an early general election. And no reason for opposition parties to grant one, just to help out the Conservative Party.
The voters have delivered their verdict, and the politicians will just have to get on and do the job we elected them to do.
If I were the Conservatives, I'd aim to lock-in the DUP for the full five years and to hell with the furore.
Skillful party management and premiership should be able to steer most bills and budgets through, even if heavily amended at terms, and it last the term.
Conservative success is ultimately predicated on lasting in office long-enough for a return to real wage growth, improving living standards, and an end to austerity.
Clinging on to power for dear life. Pathetic.
Keeping the commies out of power is a national service.
All that lying by corbyn and McDonnell during the GE, not that the cult care he is still the messiah.
I honestly think Corbyn and McDonnell are worse than Trump. In the fortnight since the election they have being coming out crackpot stuff at turbo speed. Bring down the government, break the US blockade of Cuba, scrap Trident, and yet more freebies. I find it hard to believe that people who previously supported Miliband, Brown, and Blair are really on side with these two. Being ahead in the polls is one thing, but do Labour supporters of old really agree with them?
They scare me more than trump, because the founding fathers of the us put in place lots of roadblocks to a nutter getting his way, which trump has already started to find out about.
Trouble is if you trash every Labour leader the attacks become obsolete to many.For fucks sake many on here and in the media called Milliband a communist and attacked his father for been a Marxist.
That's exactly it. The boy who cried wolf.
Agreed. Do you remember when the Daily Mail accused his dad of hating Britain? No wonder so many don't take them seriously.
All that lying by corbyn and McDonnell during the GE, not that the cult care he is still the messiah.
I honestly think Corbyn and McDonnell are worse than Trump. In the fortnight since the election they have being coming out crackpot stuff at turbo speed. Bring down the government, break the US blockade of Cuba, scrap Trident, and yet more freebies. I find it hard to believe that people who previously supported Miliband, Brown, and Blair are really on side with these two. Being ahead in the polls is one thing, but do Labour supporters of old really agree with them?
They scare me more than trump, because the founding fathers of the us put in place lots of roadblocks to a nutter getting his way, which trump has already started to find out about.
We are in a bizarre form of political zugzwang.
May's demented rhetoric and actions on Brexit have legitimised the far left such that they are now favourites to win any new election.
But the existing electoral maths mean that the Tories can't actually *do* anything, while from a media perspective they are stuck defending Brexit.
The longer this goes on, the better for Labour (or rather the far left parasites who have taken control).
Hammond is not the answer.
I believe now the only hope for the Tories - and perhaps for the country - is someone fresh faced and uncontaminated to run for the leadership, turning the contest into an effective national campaign for the centre. He or she would promise to trigger a general election upon winning the leadership.
Best timing for this would be the autumn.
No, I don't know who. But it should be someone who can run, Macron style, against extremes of left and right.
A Tory can win the next GE if, and only if, they avoid a "no deal" Brexit. If that happens I thing the Tories will get thrashed whoever the leader is.
You are happy to make a pact with a party that has known links to the UDA?
It seems there is no price too high for some Tories.
That ship has sailed. Like it or not, they're a part of our political establishment. They have Privy Councillors, Peers, and sit on select committees, as well as forming part of the government in one of the constituent parts of the UK.
And of course, Gordon Brown wanted to cut a deal with them in 2010.
If I have to I probably would, I'd just force myself to get over any fears or apprehensions.
When I travelled on the Vancouver metro system last month I had no idea it was completely automated with no on board staff or drivers until my son told me. It was just so fast, efficient, clean and amazing and each one following each other within minutes
Ah, interesting. Thanks for that info, I didn't know the extent to which both our system was so automated and the success of other automated systems aboard.
I'd be worried about driverless trains running at high speed. The DLR travels at a very sedate pace.
Automatic trains are really nothing to worry about. But, for the forseeable future, all mainline trains will have human drivers in them, even if they don't do very much.
Contrary to much of the opinion on here, I think the PM is doing a very good job. Dealing with serious issues like at the moment, is what she is good out. So, she isn't good at campaigning, unlike Jeremy Corbyn, who has spent years going on protests and standing on soap-boxes. He is not a PM in waiting. His remarks yesterday about scrapping Trident, is what he is about, a very dangerous man, supported by equally dangerous people, who do not have the security of this country at heart.
The conservatives really need to start getting after him because the media are clearly not.
All that lying by corbyn and McDonnell during the GE, not that the cult care he is still the messiah.
I honestly think Corbyn and McDonnell are worse than Trump. In the fortnight since the election they have being coming out crackpot stuff at turbo speed. Bring down the government, break the US blockade of Cuba, scrap Trident, and yet more freebies. I find it hard to believe that people who previously supported Miliband, Brown, and Blair are really on side with these two. Being ahead in the polls is one thing, but do Labour supporters of old really agree with them?
They scare me more than trump, because the founding fathers of the us put in place lots of roadblocks to a nutter getting his way, which trump has already started to find out about.
We are in a bizarre form of political zugzwang.
May's demented rhetoric and actions on Brexit have legitimised the far left such that they are now favourites to win any new election.
But the existing electoral maths mean that the Tories can't actually *do* anything, while from a media perspective they are stuck defending Brexit.
The longer this goes on, the better for Labour (or rather the far left parasites who have taken control).
Hammond is not the answer.
I believe now the only hope for the Tories - and perhaps for the country - is someone fresh faced and uncontaminated to run for the leadership, turning the contest into an effective national campaign for the centre. He or she would promise to trigger a general election upon winning the leadership.
Best timing for this would be the autumn.
No, I don't know who. But it should be someone who can run, Macron style, against extremes of left and right.
A Tory can win the next GE if, and only if, they avoid a "no deal" Brexit. If that happens I thing the Tories will get thrashed whoever the leader is.
I do not think the parliamentary arithmetic will allow that to happen unless a transistional arrangement is agreed
Contrary to much of the opinion on here, I think the PM is doing a very good job. Dealing with serious issues like at the moment, is what she is good out. So, she isn't good at campaigning, unlike Jeremy Corbyn, who has spent years going on protests and standing on soap-boxes. He is not a PM in waiting. His remarks yesterday about scrapping Trident, is what he is about, a very dangerous man, supported by equally dangerous people, who do not have the security of this country at heart.
The conservatives really need to start getting after him because the media are clearly not.
All that lying by corbyn and McDonnell during the GE, not that the cult care he is still the messiah.
I honestly think Corbyn and McDonnell are worse than Trump. In the fortnight since the election they have being coming out crackpot stuff at turbo speed. Bring down the government, break the US blockade of Cuba, scrap Trident, and yet more freebies. I find it hard to believe that people who previously supported Miliband, Brown, and Blair are really on side with these two. Being ahead in the polls is one thing, but do Labour supporters of old really agree with them?
They scare me more than trump, because the founding fathers of the us put in place lots of roadblocks to a nutter getting his way, which trump has already started to find out about.
Trouble is if you trash every Labour leader the attacks become obsolete to many.For fucks sake many on here and in the media called Milliband a communist and attacked his father for been a Marxist.
That's exactly it. The boy who cried wolf.
Agreed. Do you remember when the Daily Mail accused his dad of hating Britain? No wonder so many don't take them seriously.
It was a disgrace. When Clegg was doing well before 2010 they tried to smear him with some sort of Nazi stuff. I don't think they get how much this turns a lot of people off.
All that lying by corbyn and McDonnell during the GE, not that the cult care he is still the messiah.
I honestly think Corbyn and McDonnell are worse than Trump. In the fortnight since the election they have being coming out crackpot stuff at turbo speed. Bring down the government, break the US blockade of Cuba, scrap Trident, and yet more freebies. I find it hard to believe that people who previously supported Miliband, Brown, and Blair are really on side with these two. Being ahead in the polls is one thing, but do Labour supporters of old really agree with them?
They scare me more than trump, because the founding fathers of the us put in place lots of roadblocks to a nutter getting his way, which trump has already started to find out about.
Trouble is if you trash every Labour leader the attacks become obsolete to many.For fucks sake many on here and in the media called Milliband a communist and attacked his father for been a Marxist.
That's exactly it. The boy who cried wolf.
I don't recall many criticisms of Milliband as a communist. His father was a Marxist but what that had to do with him I don't know. He was the rump end of the brownism blairite offshoot, devoid of ideas for government. I think he is a very goof man even If I don't fully agree with his politics. Same could be said of Brown except he was worse inasmuch as he squashed any leadership rival as they came up when Blair was leads, leaving a he Labour Party short of leadership now.
Corbyn and his cabal are a step beyond, using terrorist attacks and building fires in an openly political way. His predecessors would have at least waited for a report or investigation. They will also say anything to get in, promise any spending increase, apart From defence spending. Can anyone quote any instance ever of Corbyn wanting to cut spending outside of defence.
On Topic: " Under one plan gaining traction with Tory MPs, May’s successor would announce that there would be a general election after Brexit in 2019 in which the public could have a say on the final deal"
Can someone explain how that would work? Would it be a General Election and a referendum combined. Or would it be a General Election with the Conservatives having acceptance of the deal they negotiated in their manifesto?
If the latter, then it isn't really giving the public a say on the final deal, is it?
It's a recipe for disaster.
Imagine if the Conservatives were turfed out, and Corbyn's Labour Party were elected.
We might then have a situation where they refuse to ratify the deal negotiated by Mrs May and insist on a new negotiation. If the EU refuse, then the Labour Party would be forced to either accept a deal they publicly campaigned against, or crash out the EU.
All that lying by corbyn and McDonnell during the GE, not that the cult care he is still the messiah.
I honestly think Corbyn and McDonnell are worse than Trump. In the fortnight since the election they have being coming out crackpot stuff at turbo speed. Bring down the government, break the US blockade of Cuba, scrap Trident, and yet more freebies. I find it hard to believe that people who previously supported Miliband, Brown, and Blair are really on side with these two. Being ahead in the polls is one thing, but do Labour supporters of old really agree with them?
They scare me more than trump, because the founding fathers of the us put in place lots of roadblocks to a nutter getting his way, which trump has already started to find out about.
Trouble is if you trash every Labour leader the attacks become obsolete to many.For fucks sake many on here and in the media called Milliband a communist and attacked his father for been a Marxist.
That's exactly it. The boy who cried wolf.
I don't recall many criticisms of Milliband as a communist. His father was a Marxist but what that had to do with him I don't know. He was the rump end of the brownism blairite offshoot, devoid of ideas for government. I think he is a very goof man even If I don't fully agree with his politics. Same could be said of Brown except he was worse inasmuch as he squashed any leadership rival as they came up when Blair was leads, leaving a he Labour Party short of leadership now.
Corbyn and his cabal are a step beyond, using terrorist attacks and building fires in an openly political way. His predecessors would have at least waited for a report or investigation. They will also say anything to get in, promise any spending increase, apart From defence spending. Can anyone quote any instance ever of Corbyn wanting to cut spending outside of defence.
To be precise EdM was decried as a "Marxist" on here, rather than a communist. But the basic point about crying wolf stands
All that lying by corbyn and McDonnell during the GE, not that the cult care he is still the messiah.
I honestly think Corbyn and McDonnell are worse than Trump. In the fortnight since the election they have being coming out crackpot stuff at turbo speed. Bring down the government, break the US blockade of Cuba, scrap Trident, and yet more freebies. I find it hard to believe that people who previously supported Miliband, Brown, and Blair are really on side with these two. Being ahead in the polls is one thing, but do Labour supporters of old really agree with them?
They scare me more than trump, because the founding fathers of the us put in place lots of roadblocks to a nutter getting his way, which trump has already started to find out about.
Trouble is if you trash every Labour leader the attacks become obsolete to many.For fucks sake many on here and in the media called Milliband a communist and attacked his father for been a Marxist.
That's exactly it. The boy who cried wolf.
I have covered this in my (very occasional) blog. Written just before the election.
Good read, thanks for the link. I think that some on the right don't understand that Goebbels "Big Lie" strategy doesn't work any more in an era of social media.
Anyhoo, this is the moment I have been hinting at for a while. As of tomorrow I start marking A-levels and the moment that finishes I am off on what I feel is a well-deserved holiday for a few weeks. So I am going to take a complete break from PB from for a while. I may be back in September - then again, if things are very busy in September (having been promoted yet again) I may not be coming back to add to my 6018 posts in this incarnation alone.
So have fun, keep classy ladies and gentlemen of the best politics forum on the internet and enjoy a rather bumpy ride coming up. I hope to come back and rejoin you before long and learn more about the incredible antics of JackW's mighty ARSE, comparing it to the performance of the great eight foot horn I use when my organ is fully blown.
With best wishes
Y Doethur.
Have a great break and hope you return in due course. I do intend to contribute less over the summer but it does become addictive if you are not careful
You are happy to make a pact with a party that has known links to the UDA?
It seems there is no price too high for some Tories.
your comments on NI are an adventure in ignorance
Nope. Very interesting documentary on Newsnight last week.
as I say an adventure in ignorance
Indeed, the sectarian bigoted ignorance of the meathead UDA/DUP is quite something.
The DUP are part of the same community as the UDA. They certainly aren't one and the same organisation. I can't think of any prominent figure in the DUP who has convictions for terrorism, unlike plenty of senior Sinn Fein members.
All that lying by corbyn and McDonnell during the GE, not that the cult care he is still the messiah.
I honestly think Corbyn and McDonnell are worse than Trump. In the fortnight since the election they have being coming out crackpot stuff at turbo speed. Bring down the government, break the US blockade of Cuba, scrap Trident, and yet more freebies. I find it hard to believe that people who previously supported Miliband, Brown, and Blair are really on side with these two. Being ahead in the polls is one thing, but do Labour supporters of old really agree with them?
They scare me more than trump, because the founding fathers of the us put in place lots of roadblocks to a nutter getting his way, which trump has already started to find out about.
Trouble is if you trash every Labour leader the attacks become obsolete to many.For fucks sake many on here and in the media called Milliband a communist and attacked his father for been a Marxist.
That's exactly it. The boy who cried wolf.
Agreed. Do you remember when the Daily Mail accused his dad of hating Britain? No wonder so many don't take them seriously.
It was a disgrace. When Clegg was doing well before 2010 they tried to smear him with some sort of Nazi stuff. I don't think they get how much this turns a lot of people off.
All we know is that Theresa May is vanishingly unlikely to be Conservative leader at the time of the next general election. But the Tories might decide it suits them to keep her in place until, say, a couple of years before that takes place, which could be in another three years' time. For example they might think it's best if she continues to take most of the unpopularity the Tories are currently enduring so that the new leader isn't affected by it, (assuming it reduces eventually).
I actually don't see anything wrong with banning driverless trains. I wouldn't feel safe going on a train without a driver.
I actually don't think Labour's manifesto is the big issue. It isn't really that radical. The issue is what Corbyn and McDonnell would like to do that they haven't been quite honest about.
But all this panicking about a Corbyn/McDonnell government on here is hilarious and ridiculous. The truth is, politics is unpredictable as ever - there are no certainties anymore so it's time to stop talking as if there are. What I would say is that it's unlikely that any party is going to win a comfortable or even a working majority at the next GE. It is likely to be a small majority or being the largest party in a hung parliament, and in that scenario no party gets to do whatever they want lol. So stop with the apocalyptic scenarios.
Just come back from Vancouver and they have the most fantastic driverless metro system. We are dinosaurs if we dont look to the future which in many countries is happening now
Same in Dubai. No-one is building city light rail with drivers any more, even in London there's the driverless DLR.
Driverless on main heavy rail lines is a tad more difficult though, but if the drivers keep on turning down £75k salaries it will happen soon enough.
All that lying by corbyn and McDonnell during the GE, not that the cult care he is still the messiah.
I honestly think Corbyn and McDonnell are worse than Trump. In the fortnight since the election they have being coming out crackpot stuff at turbo speed. Bring down the government, break the US blockade of Cuba, scrap Trident, and yet more freebies. I find it hard to believe that people who previously supported Miliband, Brown, and Blair are really on side with these two. Being ahead in the polls is one thing, but do Labour supporters of old really agree with them?
They scare me more than trump, because the founding fathers of the us put in place lots of roadblocks to a nutter getting his way, which trump has already started to find out about.
Trouble is if you trash every Labour leader the attacks become obsolete to many.For fucks sake many on here and in the media called Milliband a communist and attacked his father for been a Marxist.
That's exactly it. The boy who cried wolf.
Agreed. Do you remember when the Daily Mail accused his dad of hating Britain? No wonder so many don't take them seriously.
It was a disgrace. When Clegg was doing well before 2010 they tried to smear him with some sort of Nazi stuff. I don't think they get how much this turns a lot of people off.
"All nations have a cross to bear, and none more than Germany with its memories of Nazism," he had written. "But the British cross is more insidious still. A misplaced sense of superiority, sustained by delusions of grandeur and a tenacious obsession with the last war, is much harder to shake off."
The father of the DUP's Emma Little Pengelly, who has just won the South Belfast seat, is Noel Little, a Co Armagh loyalist and founder of Ulster Resistance.
Little was one of three men arrested in Paris in 1989 in connection with a plot to exchange a missile stolen from Shorts for South African guns.
After spending two years on remand the trio received suspended sentences and fines.
The weapons they sought to procure were destined for the UVF, UDA and Ulster Resistance.
All that lying by corbyn and McDonnell during the GE, not that the cult care he is still the messiah.
I honestly think Corbyn and McDonnell are worse than Trump. In the fortnight since the election they have being coming out crackpot stuff at turbo speed. Bring down the government, break the US blockade of Cuba, scrap Trident, and yet more freebies. I find it hard to believe that people who previously supported Miliband, Brown, and Blair are really on side with these two. Being ahead in the polls is one thing, but do Labour supporters of old really agree with them?
They scare me more than trump, because the founding fathers of the us put in place lots of roadblocks to a nutter getting his way, which trump has already started to find out about.
Trouble is if you trash every Labour leader the attacks become obsolete to many.For fucks sake many on here and in the media called Milliband a communist and attacked his father for been a Marxist.
That's exactly it. The boy who cried wolf.
Agreed. Do you remember when the Daily Mail accused his dad of hating Britain? No wonder so many don't take them seriously.
It was a disgrace. When Clegg was doing well before 2010 they tried to smear him with some sort of Nazi stuff. I don't think they get how much this turns a lot of people off.
"All nations have a cross to bear, and none more than Germany with its memories of Nazism," he had written. "But the British cross is more insidious still. A misplaced sense of superiority, sustained by delusions of grandeur and a tenacious obsession with the last war, is much harder to shake off."
You are happy to make a pact with a party that has known links to the UDA?
It seems there is no price too high for some Tories.
If Labour proposed a similar pact to get into office, you'd be cheering them to the rafters.
Nope. I think all the NI parties should be avoided as the sectarian nasties they are.
Im sure the Alliance party will appreciate your stance
They have no MPs. I'm taking about SF/IRA and DUP/UDA
Naomi Long was an MP 2010-2015 for E Belfast and took the seat from DUP leader Peter Robinson
you havent actually a clue what youre talking about
SF is the politial wing of the IRA the PUP is the political wing of the UDA\UVF
you just post non stop bollocks
Worth watching Newsnight last week.
The PUP is specifically left wing unionist sectarian party, the DUP right wing. Both have links to loyalist terrorists.
You do know Arlene Foster's father was shot and severely injured by the IRA when he was a member of the RUC reservists and as a teenager she was on a school bus that was bombed by the IRA and the girl sitting near her was seriously injured.
Your prejeudice does you no favours - maybe if your Father had been attacked and you had been in a vehicle blown up by the IRA you may have gained some understanding and sympathy
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May's demented rhetoric and actions on Brexit have legitimised the far left such that they are now favourites to win any new election.
But the existing electoral maths mean that the Tories can't actually *do* anything, while from a media perspective they are stuck defending Brexit.
The longer this goes on, the better for Labour (or rather the far left parasites who have taken control).
Hammond is not the answer.
I believe now the only hope for the Tories - and perhaps for the country - is someone fresh faced and uncontaminated to run for the leadership, turning the contest into an effective national campaign for the centre. He or she would promise to trigger a general election upon winning the leadership.
Best timing for this would be the autumn.
No, I don't know who. But it should be someone who can run, Macron style, against extremes of left and right.
The DUP and EU negotiations, slightly less so.
The voters have delivered their verdict, and the politicians will just have to get on and do the job we elected them to do.
Can someone explain how that would work? Would it be a General Election and a referendum combined. Or would it be a General Election with the Conservatives having acceptance of the deal they negotiated in their manifesto?
If the latter, then it isn't really giving the public a say on the final deal, is it?
Really? You've never been on the DLR then?
Why?
Have you ever been on the DLR, and are you aware that on many tube lines the trains are under Automatic Train Operation and the only thing the driver does is operate the doors (oddly the hardest thing to automate)?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automation_of_the_London_Underground
Though the difficulty of ensuring doors are clear when closing means that the railways and tubes won't stop having at least one member of staff per train on existing lines for some time.
Skillful party management and premiership should be able to steer most bills and budgets through, even if heavily amended at terms, and it last the term.
Conservative success is ultimately predicated on lasting in office long-enough for a return to real wage growth, improving living standards, and an end to austerity.
Silence so far.
I withdrew my balance when I heard and am keeping it at zero until I hear some more positive news.
The rather long post-race analysis of a hectic race is up here:
http://enormo-haddock.blogspot.co.uk/2017/06/azerbaijan-post-race-analysis-2017.html
They had a reputation for pragmatism and competence. Both now gone they take years to recover.
Recovery cannot start until she is gone
So have fun, keep classy ladies and gentlemen of the best politics forum on the internet and enjoy a rather bumpy ride coming up. I hope to come back and rejoin you before long and learn more about the incredible antics of JackW's mighty ARSE, comparing it to the performance of the great eight foot horn I use when my organ is fully blown.
With best wishes
Y Doethur.
What we really need to know on these combustibility tests is whether they are saying they should never have been installed (i.e. that they contravened the regulations at the time they were installed), or whether they are saying that in the light of the Grenfell tragedy they think that the regulations need to be urgently updated. If the former, it seems almost unbelievable that no building inspectors or fire services noticed, and that so many contractors and architects missed it or were complicit in it.
I think it's a screw-up on their part, but it certainly doesn't inspire confidence, and I was very unimpressed with their response.
Ah, interesting. Thanks for that info, I didn't know the extent to which both our system was so automated and the success of other automated systems aboard.
You are happy to make a pact with a party that has known links to the UDA?
It seems there is no price too high for some Tories.
The issue is ensuring passenger safety at stations wrt doors. It can be done on new lines, but is an expensive pain to retrofit to existing stations. Another major issue is what happens during non-'ordinary' operations: when things go slightly wrong (e.g. partial signal failure) then drivers can be much more flexible that automated systems.
http://ponyonthetories.blogspot.co.uk/
The conservatives really need to start getting after him because the media are clearly not.
I don't think that's the case with matters of UK nationhood, like Brexit, the constitution or defence.
And of course, Gordon Brown wanted to cut a deal with them in 2010.
Oh wait, he's a Tory now, isn't he?
Corbyn and his cabal are a step beyond, using terrorist attacks and building fires in an openly political way. His predecessors would have at least waited for a report or investigation. They will also say anything to get in, promise any spending increase, apart From defence spending. Can anyone quote any instance ever of Corbyn wanting to cut spending outside of defence.
Imagine if the Conservatives were turfed out, and Corbyn's Labour Party were elected.
We might then have a situation where they refuse to ratify the deal negotiated by Mrs May and insist on a new negotiation. If the EU refuse, then the Labour Party would be forced to either accept a deal they publicly campaigned against, or crash out the EU.
you havent actually a clue what youre talking about
SF is the politial wing of the IRA the PUP is the political wing of the UDA\UVF
you just post non stop bollocks
Good read, thanks for the link. I think that some on the right don't understand that Goebbels "Big Lie" strategy doesn't work any more in an era of social media.
The PUP is specifically left wing unionist sectarian party, the DUP right wing. Both have links to loyalist terrorists.
Driverless on main heavy rail lines is a tad more difficult though, but if the drivers keep on turning down £75k salaries it will happen soon enough.
His quote was:
"All nations have a cross to bear, and none more than Germany with its memories of Nazism," he had written. "But the British cross is more insidious still. A misplaced sense of superiority, sustained by delusions of grandeur and a tenacious obsession with the last war, is much harder to shake off."
Little was one of three men arrested in Paris in 1989 in connection with a plot to exchange a missile stolen from Shorts for South African guns.
After spending two years on remand the trio received suspended sentences and fines.
The weapons they sought to procure were destined for the UVF, UDA and Ulster Resistance.
Irish Times
They are a nasty bunch with very ugly links.
Your prejeudice does you no favours - maybe if your Father had been attacked and you had been in a vehicle blown up by the IRA you may have gained some understanding and sympathy