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First of all, an explanation of this new method. During the general election campaign I became aware that a lot of people were doing profiles of the wards up for local by-elections and having a look through them all I came to the conclusions that the profiles offered by Andrew Teale were far and away the best, therefore in consultation with Mike, I said that I would list the results of the local by-elections after the results had been published and that Andrew’s profiles would be referenced in those listings (which I believe is the best of both worlds

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Morris_Dancer

Cheers for this, Mr. Hayfield.

I wish people replied promptly to e-mails...

Essexit

I posted 'First like nobody in Yscir on Powys', but it's disappeared.

surbiton

Essexit said:

I posted 'First like nobody in Yscir on Powys', but it's disappeared.

My First has now disappeared.

Toms

Mine was "disappeared" too

Obviously Morris Dancer has clout.

IanB2

Fifth like ukip. And not disappearing, unlike ukip.

IanB2

I remember Yarm from a previous by-election thread? Life expectancy for politicians there isn't too great?

GeoffM

IanB2 said:

Fifth like ukip. And not disappearing, unlike ukip.

Shame

AnneJGP

Essexit said:

I posted 'First like nobody in Yscir on Powys', but it's disappeared.

Vanilla was showing 4 threads with the same title & 1 post each. I waited to see which one started to accumulate most votes.

surbiton

FF43 said:

stodge said:

Chris said:

"EU nationals have rights under the various Treaties which set up the European Union.
One of these is the right to live and work in any of the other Member States of the union.
Consequently, EU nationals are not given individual leave to enter the United Kingdom.
This is because they have a right of entry and residence under European Union law as
long as they are coming here in the exercise of a Treaty right. This includes the right to
take or seek employment or to set up business. Student and self-sufficient persons (e.g.
retired persons) also have right to entry and residence in a non-economic capacity."
https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/374616/TreatyRightsPolicy.pdf

Thank you, Chris. That seems to suggest even if you don't have a job you can come here and say you're looking for work even if you fund your life through criminality or alternatively take cash-in-hand work and not contribute taxes and Nat Ins to the UK.

I don't see that what May is proposing is very different from this so those concerned aboujt immigration might wonder what is going on.

If May wants this, agreement to the Single Market must be on the agenda sice it reads like Freedom of Movement to all intents and purposes.

In principle we're talking about historic rights accrued by EU citizens moving to the UK while it's a member of the EU. EU citizens coming to the UK after Brexit would be governed by new rules. The devil is in the detail on this stuff.Mrs May claims to have made a "generous offer" subject to it being reciprocated by the EU, but it is very vague and does not even reference the far more detailed proposal already tabled by the EU. There's undoubtedly some grandstanding but even so the other leaders and representative groups don't seem particularly impressed.

Because the reciprocity we want from the EU is actually less than what they have already put on the table !

I don't know why UK is playing games like this. Sooner or later, people will know that it is neither fair nor generous.

Morris_Dancer

Mr. Toms, not just clout. Style, too.

nunu

Tories still gaining council seats.

Bromptonaut

Well that went well.

http://www.politico.eu/article/brexit-negotiation-europe-mays-rights-offer-falls-flat-on-its-face/

GeoffM

surbiton said:

FF43 said:

stodge said:

Chris said:

"EU nationals have rights under the various Treaties which set up the European Union.
One of these is the right to live and work in any of the other Member States of the union.
Consequently, EU nationals are not given individual leave to enter the United Kingdom.
This is because they have a right of entry and residence under European Union law as
long as they are coming here in the exercise of a Treaty right. This includes the right to
take or seek employment or to set up business. Student and self-sufficient persons (e.g.
retired persons) also have right to entry and residence in a non-economic capacity."
https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/374616/TreatyRightsPolicy.pdf

Thank you, Chris. That seems to suggest even if you don't have a job you can come here and say you're looking for work even if you fund your life through criminality or alternatively take cash-in-hand work and not contribute taxes and Nat Ins to the UK.

I don't see that what May is proposing is very different from this so those concerned aboujt immigration might wonder what is going on.

If May wants this, agreement to the Single Market must be on the agenda sice it reads like Freedom of Movement to all intents and purposes.

In principle we're talking about historic rights accrued by EU citizens moving to the UK while it's a member of the EU. EU citizens coming to the UK after Brexit would be governed by new rules. The devil is in the detail on this stuff.Mrs May claims to have made a "generous offer" subject to it being reciprocated by the EU, but it is very vague and does not even reference the far more detailed proposal already tabled by the EU. There's undoubtedly some grandstanding but even so the other leaders and representative groups don't seem particularly impressed.

Because the reciprocity we want from the EU is actually less than what they have already put on the table !

I don't know why UK is playing games like this. Sooner or later, people will know that it is neither fair nor generous.

Yes, you are right that it's less and it's not generous. We specifically and deliberately voted for less and not generous.

We are leaving and the so-called "generous" offer just keeps the tentacles around us.

GeoffM

Bromptonaut said:

Well that went well.

http://www.politico.eu/article/brexit-negotiation-europe-mays-rights-offer-falls-flat-on-its-face/

That's great news; thanks for sharing because that's cheered me right up.
It went perfectly well from my point of view.

ThreeQuidder

FPT

FF43 said:

stodge said:

Chris said:

"EU nationals have rights under the various Treaties which set up the European Union.
One of these is the right to live and work in any of the other Member States of the union.
Consequently, EU nationals are not given individual leave to enter the United Kingdom.
This is because they have a right of entry and residence under European Union law as
long as they are coming here in the exercise of a Treaty right. This includes the right to
take or seek employment or to set up business. Student and self-sufficient persons (e.g.
retired persons) also have right to entry and residence in a non-economic capacity."
https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/374616/TreatyRightsPolicy.pdf

Thank you, Chris. That seems to suggest even if you don't have a job you can come here and say you're looking for work even if you fund your life through criminality or alternatively take cash-in-hand work and not contribute taxes and Nat Ins to the UK.

I don't see that what May is proposing is very different from this so those concerned aboujt immigration might wonder what is going on.

If May wants this, agreement to the Single Market must be on the agenda sice it reads like Freedom of Movement to all intents and purposes.

In principle we're talking about historic rights accrued by EU citizens moving to the UK while it's a member of the EU. EU citizens coming to the UK after Brexit would be governed by new rules. The devil is in the detail on this stuff.Mrs May claims to have made a "generous offer" subject to it being reciprocated by the EU, but it is very vague and does not even reference the far more detailed proposal already tabled by the EU.

Not entirely fair, because it hasn't even been published yet...

Scrapheap_as_was

Mogster?

https://twitter.com/Freedland/status/878298334015959040

Bromptonaut

GeoffM said:

Bromptonaut said:

Well that went well.

http://www.politico.eu/article/brexit-negotiation-europe-mays-rights-offer-falls-flat-on-its-face/

That's great news; thanks for sharing because that's cheered me right up.
It went perfectly well from my point of view.

Scary man.

CarlottaVance

Its a terrrrrible night for the Tories.......

Conservative HOLD
Conservative GAIN
Conservative HOLD
Conservative HOLD
Labour HOLD

Corbyn sweeping all before him.....

surbiton

CarlottaVance said:

Its a terrrrrible night for the Tories.......

Conservative HOLD
Conservative GAIN
Conservative HOLD
Conservative HOLD
Labour HOLD

Corbyn sweeping all before him.....

Yup. Tories winning from Independents. Great night !

williamglenn

surbiton said:

FF43 said:

stodge said:

Chris said:

"EU nationals have rights under the various Treaties which set up the European Union.
One of these is the right to live and work in any of the other Member States of the union.
Consequently, EU nationals are not given individual leave to enter the United Kingdom.
This is because they have a right of entry and residence under European Union law as
long as they are coming here in the exercise of a Treaty right. This includes the right to
take or seek employment or to set up business. Student and self-sufficient persons (e.g.
retired persons) also have right to entry and residence in a non-economic capacity."
https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/374616/TreatyRightsPolicy.pdf

Thank you, Chris. That seems to suggest even if you don't have a job you can come here and say you're looking for work even if you fund your life through criminality or alternatively take cash-in-hand work and not contribute taxes and Nat Ins to the UK.

I don't see that what May is proposing is very different from this so those concerned aboujt immigration might wonder what is going on.

If May wants this, agreement to the Single Market must be on the agenda sice it reads like Freedom of Movement to all intents and purposes.

In principle we're talking about historic rights accrued by EU citizens moving to the UK while it's a member of the EU. EU citizens coming to the UK after Brexit would be governed by new rules. The devil is in the detail on this stuff.Mrs May claims to have made a "generous offer" subject to it being reciprocated by the EU, but it is very vague and does not even reference the far more detailed proposal already tabled by the EU. There's undoubtedly some grandstanding but even so the other leaders and representative groups don't seem particularly impressed.

Because the reciprocity we want from the EU is actually less than what they have already put on the table !

I don't know why UK is playing games like this. Sooner or later, people will know that it is neither fair nor generous.

You can see why she didn't want transparency. The fact that the EU has already published a more detailed and comprehensive position means this kind of stunt to ambush the media coverage of a summit meeting is bound to fail.

surbiton

Scrapheap_as_was said:

Mogster?

https://twitter.com/Freedland/status/878298334015959040

At least, Blowers is from the early 20th century. Mogster is from the 19th.

AlastairMeeks

CarlottaVance said:

Its a terrrrrible night for the Tories.......

Conservative HOLD
Conservative GAIN
Conservative HOLD
Conservative HOLD
Labour HOLD

Corbyn sweeping all before him.....

It's good to see Conservatives starting to take such a keen interest in local by-elections. They were very hostile to any reporting of them in the months before the general election.

surbiton

GeoffM said:

Bromptonaut said:

Well that went well.

http://www.politico.eu/article/brexit-negotiation-europe-mays-rights-offer-falls-flat-on-its-face/

That's great news; thanks for sharing because that's cheered me right up.
It went perfectly well from my point of view.

"Why are we even talking about families splitting up? Is this how far we’ve fallen?"

Did Maybot really think, this would be received nicely ? When you are talking about splitting families, you think of Korea !

Pulpstar

I lived in Nether Edge for a bit, it is quite literally very leafy

https://www.google.co.uk/maps/place/Nether+Edge,+Sheffield/@53.3579983,-1.4906538,18z/data=!3m1!1e3!4m2!3m1!1s0x4879825c0d3463b3:0xe43d7c372471c17e

surbiton

GeoffM said:

surbiton said:

FF43 said:

stodge said:

Chris said:

"EU nationals have rights under the various Treaties which set up the European Union.
One of these is the right to live and work in any of the other Member States of the union.
Consequently, EU nationals are not given individual leave to enter the United Kingdom.
This is because they have a right of entry and residence under European Union law as
long as they are coming here in the exercise of a Treaty right. This includes the right to
take or seek employment or to set up business. Student and self-sufficient persons (e.g.
retired persons) also have right to entry and residence in a non-economic capacity."
https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/374616/TreatyRightsPolicy.pdf

Thank you, Chris. That seems to suggest even if you don't have a job you can come here and say you're looking for work even if you fund your life through criminality or alternatively take cash-in-hand work and not contribute taxes and Nat Ins to the UK.

I don't see that what May is proposing is very different from this so those concerned aboujt immigration might wonder what is going on.

If May wants this, agreement to the Single Market must be on the agenda sice it reads like Freedom of Movement to all intents and purposes.

In principle we're talking about historic rights accrued by EU citizens moving to the UK while it's a member of the EU. EU citizens coming to the UK after Brexit would be governed by new rules. The devil is in the detail on this stuff.Mrs May claims to have made a "generous offer" subject to it being reciprocated by the EU, but it is very vague and does not even reference the far more detailed proposal already tabled by the EU. There's undoubtedly some grandstanding but even so the other leaders and representative groups don't seem particularly impressed.

Because the reciprocity we want from the EU is actually less than what they have already put on the table !

I don't know why UK is playing games like this. Sooner or later, people will know that it is neither fair nor generous.

Yes, you are right that it's less and it's not generous. We specifically and deliberately voted for less and not generous.

We are leaving and the so-called "generous" offer just keeps the tentacles around us.

We won't be leaving.

CarlottaVance

AlastairMeeks said:

CarlottaVance said:

Its a terrrrrible night for the Tories.......

Conservative HOLD
Conservative GAIN
Conservative HOLD
Conservative HOLD
Labour HOLD

Corbyn sweeping all before him.....

It's good to see Conservatives starting to take such a keen interest in local by-elections. They were very hostile to any reporting of them in the months before the general election.

I'm sure a string of Con losses would have passed without remark from OGH.....

AndyJS

Pulpstar said:

I lived in Nether Edge for a bit, it is quite literally very leafy

https://www.google.co.uk/maps/place/Nether+Edge,+Sheffield/@53.3579983,-1.4906538,18z/data=!3m1!1e3!4m2!3m1!1s0x4879825c0d3463b3:0xe43d7c372471c17e

I've always wanted to visit the Hallam constituency but never got round to it. I've been to Sheffield city centre a couple of times.

kurtjester

CarlottaVance said:

AlastairMeeks said:

CarlottaVance said:

Its a terrrrrible night for the Tories.......

Conservative HOLD
Conservative GAIN
Conservative HOLD
Conservative HOLD
Labour HOLD

Corbyn sweeping all before him.....

It's good to see Conservatives starting to take such a keen interest in local by-elections. They were very hostile to any reporting of them in the months before the general election.

I'm sure a string of Con losses would have passed without remark from OGH.....

Just 5 or 6 thread headers.

Pulpstar

AndyJS said:

Pulpstar said:

I lived in Nether Edge for a bit, it is quite literally very leafy

https://www.google.co.uk/maps/place/Nether+Edge,+Sheffield/@53.3579983,-1.4906538,18z/data=!3m1!1e3!4m2!3m1!1s0x4879825c0d3463b3:0xe43d7c372471c17e

I've always wanted to visit the Hallam constituency but never got round to it. I've been to Sheffield city centre a couple of times.

Its in the Sheffield Central constituency, the sycamore trees are a nightmare for the car windscreen xD

surbiton

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/jun/23/brexit-may-blocked-unilateral-offer-for-eu-citizens-rights-last-june

So, there is history.

ydoethur

surbiton said:

GeoffM said:

Bromptonaut said:

Well that went well.

http://www.politico.eu/article/brexit-negotiation-europe-mays-rights-offer-falls-flat-on-its-face/

That's great news; thanks for sharing because that's cheered me right up.
It went perfectly well from my point of view.

"Why are we even talking about families splitting up? Is this how far we’ve fallen?"

Did Maybot really think, this would be received nicely ? When you are talking about splitting families, you think of Korea !

Do you? I must confess I think of Social Services.

another_richard

It must be a bit humiliating for that 2 votes Davies today.

kurtjester

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/jun/23/police-chiefs-to-discuss-offering-guns-to-all-frontline-officers

Be afraid.

Monksfield

surbiton said:

Scrapheap_as_was said:

Mogster?

https://twitter.com/Freedland/status/878298334015959040

At least, Blowers is from the early 20th century. Mogster is from the 19th.

Sounds like Jonathan Freedland needs to spend more time around the horse racing community.

CarlottaVance

surbiton said:

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/jun/23/brexit-may-blocked-unilateral-offer-for-eu-citizens-rights-last-june

So, there is history.

Single sourced by the ES. Shoddy. But what do you expect from a Russian owned freesheet edited by a failed politician. The Guardian has done some checking:

One former senior minister told the Guardian they didn’t recollect any discussion of the issue around the cabinet table at the time.

another_richard

Another one of George Osborne's vanity projects not going well:

' UK government plans for a new £18bn nuclear power station have come under fire from public auditors, who call it "a risky and expensive project".

The National Audit Office (NAO) said the costs and risks for consumers had not been sufficiently considered. '

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-40372613

I suppose it was an early warning sign about May that she didn't cancel Hinkley C and HS2.

williamglenn

Brexit campaigners see record unpopularity.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/architects-brexit-boris-johnson-michael-gove-nigel-farage-hated-british-public-char-yougov-a7805466.html

surbiton

AlastairMeeks said:

CarlottaVance said:

Its a terrrrrible night for the Tories.......

Conservative HOLD
Conservative GAIN
Conservative HOLD
Conservative HOLD
Labour HOLD

Corbyn sweeping all before him.....

It's good to see Conservatives starting to take such a keen interest in local by-elections. They were very hostile to any reporting of them in the months before the general election.

We should have paid more attention to R&T's May locals NEV. A Tory landslide was never on, only in the fertile imagination of Martin Boon. Has he resigned yet ?

ydoethur

Monksfield said:

surbiton said:

Scrapheap_as_was said:

Mogster?

https://twitter.com/Freedland/status/878298334015959040

At least, Blowers is from the early 20th century. Mogster is from the 19th.

Sounds like Jonathan Freedland needs to spend more time around the horse racing community.

What's he done to deserve cruel and unusual punishment? I mean I know he's annoying, but even so...

kurtjester

CarlottaVance said:

surbiton said:

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/jun/23/brexit-may-blocked-unilateral-offer-for-eu-citizens-rights-last-june

So, there is history.

Single sourced by the ES. Shoddy. But what do you expect from a Russian owned freesheet edited by a failed politician. The Guardian has done some checking:

One former senior minister told the Guardian they didn’t recollect any discussion of the issue around the cabinet table at the time.

The boy George creating fake news? There's a surprise.

SouthamObserver

surbiton said:

Scrapheap_as_was said:

Mogster?

https://twitter.com/Freedland/status/878298334015959040

At least, Blowers is from the early 20th century. Mogster is from the 19th.

In the UK we all too often equate a well-spoken with intelligence and insight. It has caused us no end of trouble.

Scott_P

@SkyNewsBreak: Sky Sources: NHS trusts told to urgently check buildings for any of the cladding materials implicated in the Grenfell Tower fire

How many PFI contracts...

IanB2

SouthamObserver said:

surbiton said:

Scrapheap_as_was said:

Mogster?

https://twitter.com/Freedland/status/878298334015959040

At least, Blowers is from the early 20th century. Mogster is from the 19th.

In the UK we all too often equate a well-spoken with intelligence and insight. It has caused us no end of trouble.

+1

Mogg's lack of understanding of the modern world is pitiful. As is the sight of people thinking he has great insight because he speaks like someone reading the news on the Home Service.

surbiton

CarlottaVance said:

surbiton said:

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/jun/23/brexit-may-blocked-unilateral-offer-for-eu-citizens-rights-last-june

So, there is history.

Single sourced by the ES. Shoddy. But what do you expect from a Russian owned freesheet edited by a failed politician. The Guardian has done some checking:

One former senior minister told the Guardian they didn’t recollect any discussion of the issue around the cabinet table at the time.

Since when did Osborne start being a "failed politician" ? You Tories can be both hypocritical and ruthless.

dyedwoolie

Shame about Blowers retiring, one of the quartet of crickets classic voices Johners, Tony Greig talking about 'blorsting it to the boundary' and, at 11.40 on day three with Australia 610-4 , Steve waugh caressing one through the covers and Benaud dryly saying 'no point chasing that one'

Pulpstar

another_richard said:

Another one of George Osborne's vanity projects not going well:

' UK government plans for a new £18bn nuclear power station have come under fire from public auditors, who call it "a risky and expensive project".

The National Audit Office (NAO) said the costs and risks for consumers had not been sufficiently considered. '

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-40372613

I suppose it was an early warning sign about May that she didn't cancel Hinkley C and HS2.

Pissing money up the wall. Only problem for the UK is it will get worse under Corbyn.

ydoethur

surbiton said:

AlastairMeeks said:

CarlottaVance said:

Its a terrrrrible night for the Tories.......

Conservative HOLD
Conservative GAIN
Conservative HOLD
Conservative HOLD
Labour HOLD

Corbyn sweeping all before him.....

It's good to see Conservatives starting to take such a keen interest in local by-elections. They were very hostile to any reporting of them in the months before the general election.

We should have paid more attention to R&T's May locals NEV. A Tory landslide was never on, only in the fertile imagination of Martin Boon. Has he resigned yet ?

In what sense? They were predicting an overall majority for May like everyone else.
https://mobile.twitter.com/adambienkov/status/860513033185087488?lang=en-gb

ThreeQuidder

another_richard said:

Another one of George Osborne's vanity projects not going well:

' UK government plans for a new £18bn nuclear power station have come under fire from public auditors, who call it "a risky and expensive project".

The National Audit Office (NAO) said the costs and risks for consumers had not been sufficiently considered. '

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-40372613

I suppose it was an early warning sign about May that she didn't cancel Hinkley C and HS2.

On the upside, she didn't "cancel" (in reality, delay for 20 years until the need for it became unarguable) HS2.

CarlottaVance

kurtjester said:

CarlottaVance said:

surbiton said:

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/jun/23/brexit-may-blocked-unilateral-offer-for-eu-citizens-rights-last-june

So, there is history.

Single sourced by the ES. Shoddy. But what do you expect from a Russian owned freesheet edited by a failed politician. The Guardian has done some checking:

One former senior minister told the Guardian they didn’t recollect any discussion of the issue around the cabinet table at the time.

The boy George creating fake news? There's a surprise.

Even more so when its fake news thats disobliging to Theresa May......I'm shocked I tell you, shocked.....

DavidL

SA surely 30 short? Looks good for England.

dyedwoolie

DavidL said:

SA surely 30 short? Looks good for England.

England's to lose at titchy Taunton

Pulpstar

Scott_P said:

@SkyNewsBreak: Sky Sources: NHS trusts told to urgently check buildings for any of the cladding materials implicated in the Grenfell Tower fire

How many PFI contracts...

Another Osbrowne disaster area.

kurtjester

surbiton said:

CarlottaVance said:

surbiton said:

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/jun/23/brexit-may-blocked-unilateral-offer-for-eu-citizens-rights-last-june

So, there is history.

Single sourced by the ES. Shoddy. But what do you expect from a Russian owned freesheet edited by a failed politician. The Guardian has done some checking:

One former senior minister told the Guardian they didn’t recollect any discussion of the issue around the cabinet table at the time.

Since when did Osborne start being a "failed politician" ? You Tories can be both hypocritical and ruthless.

He failed with the deficit, flunked up the Remain campaign with his chum, and probably helped Corbyn over the line in a few London marginals. Certainly a failed Tory.

surbiton

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2017/jun/23/london-ecb-euro-clearing-brexit-european-central-bank

Euro clearing: Now the ECB wants to take control.

CarlottaVance

Qatar:

WASHINGTON ― Qatar’s ambassador to the U.S. told HuffPost on Friday that Saudi Arabia, the United Arab Emirates and other countries’ demands on his nation are about suppressing press freedom and Qatari sovereignty, rather than the country’s alleged support for terror.

The comments from Meshal bin Hamad al Thani appear to be the highest-level public Qatari response to a list of demands its neighbors passed to Qatar on Friday, according to multiple outlets.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/qatar-demands-terror_us_594d4635e4b0da2c731b3d6c

another_richard

On the issue of government vanity projects the increase in overseas aid to 0.7% of GDP doesn't seem to have been copied by the rest of the G7:

UK 0.71%
Germany 0.52%
France 0.37%
Canada 0.28%
Italy 0.21%
Japan 0.22%
USA 0.17%

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_development_aid_country_donors

I wonder how many houses could have built or tuition fees paid if the UK had paid the same percentage as St Barack's USA or St Angela's Germany ?

AnneJGP

dyedwoolie said:

Shame about Blowers retiring, one of the quartet of crickets classic voices Johners, Tony Greig talking about 'blorsting it to the boundary' and, at 11.40 on day three with Australia 610-4 , Steve waugh caressing one through the covers and Benaud dryly saying 'no point chasing that one'

Doesn't John Arlott rate a mention? He was the voice of cricket for me.

surbiton

kurtjester said:

surbiton said:

CarlottaVance said:

surbiton said:

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/jun/23/brexit-may-blocked-unilateral-offer-for-eu-citizens-rights-last-june

So, there is history.

Single sourced by the ES. Shoddy. But what do you expect from a Russian owned freesheet edited by a failed politician. The Guardian has done some checking:

One former senior minister told the Guardian they didn’t recollect any discussion of the issue around the cabinet table at the time.

Since when did Osborne start being a "failed politician" ? You Tories can be both hypocritical and ruthless.

He failed with the deficit, flunked up the Remain campaign with his chum, and probably helped Corbyn over the line in a few London marginals. Certainly a failed Tory.

My question was when did Carlotta and other Tories start thinking he was a failed politician. Fitalass, even now does not think Osborne failed.

Pulpstar

surbiton said:

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2017/jun/23/london-ecb-euro-clearing-brexit-european-central-bank

Euro clearing: Now the ECB wants to take control.

It is fair enough.

Bobajob_PB

Ian

I find Mogg a bit of a lovable plonker until he starts self conciously bowing and scraping and fawning over "Her Majesty", when he comes across as a sycophantic prat.

CarlottaVance

surbiton said:

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2017/jun/23/london-ecb-euro-clearing-brexit-european-central-bank

Euro clearing: Now the ECB wants to take control.

"Fragmentation of such global markets by jurisdiction or currency would reduce the benefits of central clearing. EU27 firms account for only a quarter of global activity in cleared euro interest rate swaps, and about 14 per cent of total interest rate swaps in all currencies cleared by LCH.

"Any development which prevented EU27 firms from continuing to clear trades in the UK would split liquidity between a less liquid onshore market for EU firms and a more liquid offshore market for everyone else."

http://www.cityam.com/266988/mark-carney-moving-euro-clearing-out-london-no-ones

surbiton

AnneJGP said:

dyedwoolie said:

Shame about Blowers retiring, one of the quartet of crickets classic voices Johners, Tony Greig talking about 'blorsting it to the boundary' and, at 11.40 on day three with Australia 610-4 , Steve waugh caressing one through the covers and Benaud dryly saying 'no point chasing that one'

Doesn't John Arlott rate a mention? He was the voice of cricket for me.

By far the greatest. My best memories of TMS goes back to the 60's and 70's. Arlott's commentary and Trevor Bailey's end-of-over summary.

Of course, Johnston brought in the chocolate cake stuff ! Half of England's housewives were baking for him.

williamglenn

CarlottaVance said:

surbiton said:

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2017/jun/23/london-ecb-euro-clearing-brexit-european-central-bank

Euro clearing: Now the ECB wants to take control.

"Fragmentation of such global markets by jurisdiction or currency would reduce the benefits of central clearing. EU27 firms account for only a quarter of global activity in cleared euro interest rate swaps, and about 14 per cent of total interest rate swaps in all currencies cleared by LCH.

"Any development which prevented EU27 firms from continuing to clear trades in the UK would split liquidity between a less liquid onshore market for EU firms and a more liquid offshore market for everyone else."

http://www.cityam.com/266988/mark-carney-moving-euro-clearing-out-london-no-ones

There's no fragmentation if *all* of it moves.

dyedwoolie

AnneJGP said:

dyedwoolie said:

Shame about Blowers retiring, one of the quartet of crickets classic voices Johners, Tony Greig talking about 'blorsting it to the boundary' and, at 11.40 on day three with Australia 610-4 , Steve waugh caressing one through the covers and Benaud dryly saying 'no point chasing that one'

Doesn't John Arlott rate a mention? He was the voice of cricket for me.

Yeah I'll give you that along with Tony Cozier in the West Indies.
Of the modern crowd I enjoy Athers and particularly Nasser Hussain who is extremely drole.

DavidL

surbiton said:

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2017/jun/23/london-ecb-euro-clearing-brexit-european-central-bank

Euro clearing: Now the ECB wants to take control.

Just like the US. Wants clearing in the US. And more dollars bought and sold in London than the whole of the US.

Good luck.

kurtjester

williamglenn said:

CarlottaVance said:

surbiton said:

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2017/jun/23/london-ecb-euro-clearing-brexit-european-central-bank

Euro clearing: Now the ECB wants to take control.

"Fragmentation of such global markets by jurisdiction or currency would reduce the benefits of central clearing. EU27 firms account for only a quarter of global activity in cleared euro interest rate swaps, and about 14 per cent of total interest rate swaps in all currencies cleared by LCH.

"Any development which prevented EU27 firms from continuing to clear trades in the UK would split liquidity between a less liquid onshore market for EU firms and a more liquid offshore market for everyone else."

http://www.cityam.com/266988/mark-carney-moving-euro-clearing-out-london-no-ones

There's no fragmentation if *all* of it moves.

Capital won't move from London to the ECB's jurisdiction.

slade

I thought nothing could beat my team ( Huddersfield Town) getting to the Premier League. But today I received a present from the Chairman. I had already paid £199 for a season ticket for next season - but now he is giving me a cheque for £99. That means I will be watching Manchester United, Liverpool, Chelsea and the others for £5 a match. To celebrate I am having a Denby Dale meat and potato pie with an Opik Malbec from Argentina - I wonder what Herbert Chapman and Bill Shankley would have thought of that. Given some interesting signings I might have a few bob on the Terriers beating relegation next season.

Big_G_NorthWales

The extent of the use of this cladding and it's removal could cost the Country many countless billions.

Big tax rises look inevitable

CarlottaVance

williamglenn said:

CarlottaVance said:

surbiton said:

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2017/jun/23/london-ecb-euro-clearing-brexit-european-central-bank

Euro clearing: Now the ECB wants to take control.

"Fragmentation of such global markets by jurisdiction or currency would reduce the benefits of central clearing. EU27 firms account for only a quarter of global activity in cleared euro interest rate swaps, and about 14 per cent of total interest rate swaps in all currencies cleared by LCH.

"Any development which prevented EU27 firms from continuing to clear trades in the UK would split liquidity between a less liquid onshore market for EU firms and a more liquid offshore market for everyone else."

http://www.cityam.com/266988/mark-carney-moving-euro-clearing-out-london-no-ones

There's no fragmentation if *all* of it moves.

Which other reserve currencies are only traded in one city?

surbiton

CarlottaVance said:

Qatar:

WASHINGTON ― Qatar’s ambassador to the U.S. told HuffPost on Friday that Saudi Arabia, the United Arab Emirates and other countries’ demands on his nation are about suppressing press freedom and Qatari sovereignty, rather than the country’s alleged support for terror.

The comments from Meshal bin Hamad al Thani appear to be the highest-level public Qatari response to a list of demands its neighbors passed to Qatar on Friday, according to multiple outlets.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/qatar-demands-terror_us_594d4635e4b0da2c731b3d6c

It turns out the biggest demand is about closing down Al-J. The first time that people in the Middle East found another source of news. Why did they not demand the BBC should be shut down too ? T May may have agreed to that.

CarlottaVance

surbiton said:

kurtjester said:

surbiton said:

CarlottaVance said:

surbiton said:

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/jun/23/brexit-may-blocked-unilateral-offer-for-eu-citizens-rights-last-june

So, there is history.

Single sourced by the ES. Shoddy. But what do you expect from a Russian owned freesheet edited by a failed politician. The Guardian has done some checking:

One former senior minister told the Guardian they didn’t recollect any discussion of the issue around the cabinet table at the time.

Since when did Osborne start being a "failed politician" ? You Tories can be both hypocritical and ruthless.

He failed with the deficit, flunked up the Remain campaign with his chum, and probably helped Corbyn over the line in a few London marginals. Certainly a failed Tory.

My question was when did Carlotta and other Tories start thinking he was a failed politician.

When he gave up after May sacked him & didn't 'do his porridge' on the back benches. Self entitled twat.

another_richard

AndyJS said:

Pulpstar said:

I lived in Nether Edge for a bit, it is quite literally very leafy

https://www.google.co.uk/maps/place/Nether+Edge,+Sheffield/@53.3579983,-1.4906538,18z/data=!3m1!1e3!4m2!3m1!1s0x4879825c0d3463b3:0xe43d7c372471c17e

I've always wanted to visit the Hallam constituency but never got round to it. I've been to Sheffield city centre a couple of times.

Hallam is post war suburbia - despite its affluence its not very interesting.

The two most interesting wards architecturally are Nether Edge and Broomhill, both in Sheffield Central.

The tower blocks of the Gleadless Valley and the Lowedges-Batemoor-Jordanthorpe council estate belt in the southern edge of Sheffield have a horribleness about them for those that appreciate such places.

surbiton

slade said:

I thought nothing could beat my team ( Huddersfield Town) getting to the Premier League. But today I received a present from the Chairman. I had already paid £199 for a season ticket for next season - but now he is giving me a cheque for £99. That means I will be watching Manchester United, Liverpool, Chelsea and the others for £5 a match. To celebrate I am having a Denby Dale meat and potato pie with an Opik Malbec from Argentina - I wonder what Herbert Chapman and Bill Shankley would have thought of that. Given some interesting signings I might have a few bob on the Terriers beating relegation next season.

Make sure you use this generosity well. You have exactly one season to be in the big time !

surbiton

CarlottaVance said:

surbiton said:

kurtjester said:

surbiton said:

CarlottaVance said:

surbiton said:

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/jun/23/brexit-may-blocked-unilateral-offer-for-eu-citizens-rights-last-june

So, there is history.

Single sourced by the ES. Shoddy. But what do you expect from a Russian owned freesheet edited by a failed politician. The Guardian has done some checking:

One former senior minister told the Guardian they didn’t recollect any discussion of the issue around the cabinet table at the time.

Since when did Osborne start being a "failed politician" ? You Tories can be both hypocritical and ruthless.

He failed with the deficit, flunked up the Remain campaign with his chum, and probably helped Corbyn over the line in a few London marginals. Certainly a failed Tory.

My question was when did Carlotta and other Tories start thinking he was a failed politician.

When he gave up after May sacked him & didn't 'do his porridge' on the back benches. Self entitled twat.

Suitable timing for you. As long as he was a mInister and actually implementing his government's policies, he was fine !

williamglenn

CarlottaVance said:

surbiton said:

kurtjester said:

surbiton said:

CarlottaVance said:

surbiton said:

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/jun/23/brexit-may-blocked-unilateral-offer-for-eu-citizens-rights-last-june

So, there is history.

Single sourced by the ES. Shoddy. But what do you expect from a Russian owned freesheet edited by a failed politician. The Guardian has done some checking:

One former senior minister told the Guardian they didn’t recollect any discussion of the issue around the cabinet table at the time.

Since when did Osborne start being a "failed politician" ? You Tories can be both hypocritical and ruthless.

He failed with the deficit, flunked up the Remain campaign with his chum, and probably helped Corbyn over the line in a few London marginals. Certainly a failed Tory.

My question was when did Carlotta and other Tories start thinking he was a failed politician.

When he gave up after May sacked him & didn't 'do his porridge' on the back benches. Self entitled twat.

If May hadn't called an election he would still be on the back benches.

AnneJGP

surbiton said:

AnneJGP said:

dyedwoolie said:

Shame about Blowers retiring, one of the quartet of crickets classic voices Johners, Tony Greig talking about 'blorsting it to the boundary' and, at 11.40 on day three with Australia 610-4 , Steve waugh caressing one through the covers and Benaud dryly saying 'no point chasing that one'

Doesn't John Arlott rate a mention? He was the voice of cricket for me.

By far the greatest. My best memories of TMS goes back to the 60's and 70's. Arlott's commentary and Trevor Bailey's end-of-over summary.

Of course, Johnston brought in the chocolate cake stuff ! Half of England's housewives were baking for him.

Perhaps the thing I found most impressive about John Arlott was the way he could switch between commentary styles, TV to radio, when the live TV picture transmission was lost for any reason. Never lost a beat, just carried on with the commentary as though it was as easy as pie. Amazing.

DavidL

Big_G_NorthWales said:

The extent of the use of this cladding and it's removal could cost the Country many countless billions.

Big tax rises look inevitable

Nah. More like tens of millions with some recovery from the insurers of the professionals who said it was fine.

Big_G_NorthWales

surbiton said:

slade said:

I thought nothing could beat my team ( Huddersfield Town) getting to the Premier League. But today I received a present from the Chairman. I had already paid £199 for a season ticket for next season - but now he is giving me a cheque for £99. That means I will be watching Manchester United, Liverpool, Chelsea and the others for £5 a match. To celebrate I am having a Denby Dale meat and potato pie with an Opik Malbec from Argentina - I wonder what Herbert Chapman and Bill Shankley would have thought of that. Given some interesting signings I might have a few bob on the Terriers beating relegation next season.

Make sure you use this generosity well. You have exactly one season to be in the big time !

Typical Surbiton comment - he spreads joy all around.!!

I hope Huddersfield have a great time and they prosper and look to many premier league seasons

surbiton

dyedwoolie said:

AnneJGP said:

dyedwoolie said:

Shame about Blowers retiring, one of the quartet of crickets classic voices Johners, Tony Greig talking about 'blorsting it to the boundary' and, at 11.40 on day three with Australia 610-4 , Steve waugh caressing one through the covers and Benaud dryly saying 'no point chasing that one'

Doesn't John Arlott rate a mention? He was the voice of cricket for me.

Yeah I'll give you that along with Tony Cozier in the West Indies.
Of the modern crowd I enjoy Athers and particularly Nasser Hussain who is extremely drole.

Since the bar has been raised, I will provide three names for commentary and two for expert summaries.

Arlott, Mcgilvray, Cosier. Bailey, Hassett.

malcolmg

Big_G_NorthWales said:

The extent of the use of this cladding and it's removal could cost the Country many countless billions.

Big tax rises look inevitable

The people who own them or rent them should be paying for it G. No beggar gives a toss about helping me ever, what is so special about these people that someone else should pay their bills.

foxinsoxuk

slade said:

I thought nothing could beat my team ( Huddersfield Town) getting to the Premier League. But today I received a present from the Chairman. I had already paid £199 for a season ticket for next season - but now he is giving me a cheque for £99. That means I will be watching Manchester United, Liverpool, Chelsea and the others for £5 a match. To celebrate I am having a Denby Dale meat and potato pie with an Opik Malbec from Argentina - I wonder what Herbert Chapman and Bill Shankley would have thought of that. Given some interesting signings I might have a few bob on the Terriers beating relegation next season.

Leicester City season tikets are great value, but not quite as good as that. Some concession?

I think Huddersfield have a decent chance of staying up. After the top 7 there was not a lot to choose between the rest in the PL. All had long poor phases.

I think LCFC are more at risk of relegation this season, we have to replace our aging back line, and I think Kasper will be off too. I am not completely convinced that Shakey was right for the permanent post.

Big_G_NorthWales

DavidL said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

The extent of the use of this cladding and it's removal could cost the Country many countless billions.

Big tax rises look inevitable

Nah. More like tens of millions with some recovery from the insurers of the professionals who said it was fine.

Apparently all NHS trusts have to inspect their hospitals. The litigation and damages will go on for years and in the meantime the bills have to be paid

Morris_Dancer

Good commentators are hard to find. After the excellent Murray Walker, the best F1 pairing was Brundle and Coulthard but, sadly, that lasted only on season because the BBC executive in charge of F1 decision-making was Judas Iscariot.

Edited extra bit: anyway, must be off.

JosiasJessop

Big_G_NorthWales said:

The extent of the use of this cladding and it's removal could cost the Country many countless billions.

Big tax rises look inevitable

I doubt it would be billions for replacement of the cladding systems. The entire refit of the Grenfell tower was £8.7 million, and according to Wiki the cladding part of the work cost £2.6 million. Given that it might just be a part-for-part replacement (unless they need to fix some form of structural 'chimney' effect) it should be a fairly straightforward job (or as straightforward as working at height can be).

If we take a cost of £2 million to replace the cladding, then 500 buildings could be done for a billion. Although having skilled people and kit to do the work might be a problem: they need to ensure the work's done properly, even if it means it takes time for them to be done.

Now, if they decide that grandfather rights for things like sprinklers in high-rise buildings are to be voided, then it may well get into billions.

dyedwoolie

surbiton said:

dyedwoolie said:

AnneJGP said:

dyedwoolie said:

Shame about Blowers retiring, one of the quartet of crickets classic voices Johners, Tony Greig talking about 'blorsting it to the boundary' and, at 11.40 on day three with Australia 610-4 , Steve waugh caressing one through the covers and Benaud dryly saying 'no point chasing that one'

Doesn't John Arlott rate a mention? He was the voice of cricket for me.

Yeah I'll give you that along with Tony Cozier in the West Indies.
Of the modern crowd I enjoy Athers and particularly Nasser Hussain who is extremely drole.

Since the bar has been raised, I will provide three names for commentary and two for expert summaries.

Arlott, Mcgilvray, Cosier. Bailey, Hassett.

A bit of Tony Lewis and some Bill Bearders Frindall. Peter West in days of yore too

Nemtynakht

Can anyone explain the reason why we would want ECJ to have jurisdiction. Is there any benefit to us? Why is Corbyn enthusiastic?

Big_G_NorthWales

malcolmg said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

The extent of the use of this cladding and it's removal could cost the Country many countless billions.

Big tax rises look inevitable

The people who own them or rent them should be paying for it G. No beggar gives a toss about helping me ever, what is so special about these people that someone else should pay their bills.

Evening Malc

It is social housing in the main so how are social tenants going to pay increased rents

JosiasJessop

Off-topic:

In an hour SpaceX are launching a rocket to GTO; they are going to attempt a landing of the first stage, but it might not make it due to the flight characteristics. The first stage flew another flight back in January.

You can watch live here:
https://www.reddit.com/r/spacex/comments/6isph2/welcome_to_the_rspacex_bulgariasat1_official/

If all goes well, they'll be launching another rocket tomorrow.

Nemtynakht

JosiasJessop said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

The extent of the use of this cladding and it's removal could cost the Country many countless billions.

Big tax rises look inevitable

I doubt it would be billions for replacement of the cladding systems. The entire refit of the Grenfell tower was £8.7 million, and according to Wiki the cladding part of the work cost £2.6 million. Given that it might just be a part-for-part replacement (unless they need to fix some form of structural 'chimney' effect) it should be a fairly straightforward job (or as straightforward as working at height can be).

If we take a cost of £2 million to replace the cladding, then 500 buildings could be done for a billion. Although having skilled people and kit to do the work might be a problem: they need to ensure the work's done properly, even if it means it takes time for them to be done.

Now, if they decide that grandfather rights for things like sprinklers in high-rise buildings are to be voided, then it may well get into billions.

I wouldn't necessarily trust he costs by item. It is normal practice to split out scaffolding costs.

DavidL

Big_G_NorthWales said:

DavidL said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

The extent of the use of this cladding and it's removal could cost the Country many countless billions.

Big tax rises look inevitable

Nah. More like tens of millions with some recovery from the insurers of the professionals who said it was fine.

Apparently all NHS trusts have to inspect their hospitals. The litigation and damages will go on for years and in the meantime the bills have to be paid

We can only hope some of this is north of the border. Could do with the business.

Bromptonaut

Nemtynakht said:

Can anyone explain the reason why we would want ECJ to have jurisdiction. Is there any benefit to us? Why is Corbyn enthusiastic?

Because then they'll give us a trade deal.

bigjohnowls

Meanwhile at Glastonbury

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/video/2017/jun/23/glastonbury-silent-disco-jeremy-corbyn-chant-video

AnneJGP

JosiasJessop said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

The extent of the use of this cladding and it's removal could cost the Country many countless billions.

Big tax rises look inevitable

I doubt it would be billions for replacement of the cladding systems. The entire refit of the Grenfell tower was £8.7 million, and according to Wiki the cladding part of the work cost £2.6 million. Given that it might just be a part-for-part replacement (unless they need to fix some form of structural 'chimney' effect) it should be a fairly straightforward job (or as straightforward as working at height can be).

If we take a cost of £2 million to replace the cladding, then 500 buildings could be done for a billion. Although having skilled people and kit to do the work might be a problem: they need to ensure the work's done properly, even if it means it takes time for them to be done.

Now, if they decide that grandfather rights for things like sprinklers in high-rise buildings are to be voided, then it may well get into billions.

I've been wondering whether this might lead to a re-think on housing people in high rise buildings. Maybe we'll see a shift away from that policy. Cost of upgrading is bound to enter into the equation.

As a child, I used to live in a block of maisonettes - only 2 x 2-storey 'houses' on top of each other - and I never went to bed free from fear. Happily we were only there 3 years.

Big_G_NorthWales

Bromptonaut said:

Nemtynakht said:

Can anyone explain the reason why we would want ECJ to have jurisdiction. Is there any benefit to us? Why is Corbyn enthusiastic?

Because then they'll give us a trade deal.

Can you imagine that the ECJ can rule on some UK citizens rights over and above our Supreme Court.

The Country will just not accept it

Bromptonaut

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Bromptonaut said:

Nemtynakht said:

Can anyone explain the reason why we would want ECJ to have jurisdiction. Is there any benefit to us? Why is Corbyn enthusiastic?

Because then they'll give us a trade deal.

Can you imagine that the ECJ can rule on some UK citizens rights over and above our Supreme Court.

The Country will just not accept it

We'll see.

AndyJS

another_richard said:

AndyJS said:

Pulpstar said:

I lived in Nether Edge for a bit, it is quite literally very leafy

https://www.google.co.uk/maps/place/Nether+Edge,+Sheffield/@53.3579983,-1.4906538,18z/data=!3m1!1e3!4m2!3m1!1s0x4879825c0d3463b3:0xe43d7c372471c17e

I've always wanted to visit the Hallam constituency but never got round to it. I've been to Sheffield city centre a couple of times.

Hallam is post war suburbia - despite its affluence its not very interesting.

The two most interesting wards architecturally are Nether Edge and Broomhill, both in Sheffield Central.

The tower blocks of the Gleadless Valley and the Lowedges-Batemoor-Jordanthorpe council estate belt in the southern edge of Sheffield have a horribleness about them for those that appreciate such places.

Fans of Heaven 17 and the Human League, like me, will be interested in that huge council estate near the centre of Sheffield. It's where most of the band members lived at one time.

nichomar

foxinsoxuk said:

slade said:

I thought nothing could beat my team ( Huddersfield Town) getting to the Premier League. But today I received a present from the Chairman. I had already paid £199 for a season ticket for next season - but now he is giving me a cheque for £99. That means I will be watching Manchester United, Liverpool, Chelsea and the others for £5 a match. To celebrate I am having a Denby Dale meat and potato pie with an Opik Malbec from Argentina - I wonder what Herbert Chapman and Bill Shankley would have thought of that. Given some interesting signings I might have a few bob on the Terriers beating relegation next season.

Leicester City season tikets are great value, but not quite as good as that. Some concession?

I think Huddersfield have a decent chance of staying up. After the top 7 there was not a lot to choose between the rest in the PL. All had long poor phases.

I think LCFC are more at risk of relegation this season, we have to replace our aging back line, and I think Kasper will be off too. I am not completely convinced that Shakey was right for the permanent post.

I think most new club survive their first year because the other teams dont have the intelligence on them but i might be wrong

Big_G_NorthWales

Bromptonaut said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Bromptonaut said:

Nemtynakht said:

Can anyone explain the reason why we would want ECJ to have jurisdiction. Is there any benefit to us? Why is Corbyn enthusiastic?

Because then they'll give us a trade deal.

Can you imagine that the ECJ can rule on some UK citizens rights over and above our Supreme Court.

The Country will just not accept it

We'll see.

Genuinely do you think the population will accept an outside jurisdiction for some of it's ciitizens

Bromptonaut

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Bromptonaut said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Bromptonaut said:

Nemtynakht said:

Can anyone explain the reason why we would want ECJ to have jurisdiction. Is there any benefit to us? Why is Corbyn enthusiastic?

Because then they'll give us a trade deal.

Can you imagine that the ECJ can rule on some UK citizens rights over and above our Supreme Court.

The Country will just not accept it

We'll see.

Genuinely do you think the population will accept an outside jurisdiction for some of it's ciitizens

If it's that or economic ruin - yes.

surbiton

“OH ... JE-REM-Y COR-BYN.”

https://www.theguardian.com/music/2017/jun/23/corbyn-chants-t-shirts-sculptures-jeremania-hits-glastonbury