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  • Since we're among friends...

    My other half is recovering very well at present. He decided that he wanted to go back to Northern Ireland for a couple of weeks (for personal and business reasons). He chose today as the day when he wanted to travel and explained that no, he didn't have much flexibility about this.

    As a result, I shall be on a ferry across the North Sea tonight while the election results unfold. The wifi is iffy and in any case my cabin mate won't take kindly to an illuminated iPad.

    So I'll be missing all the fun.

    Safe journey Mr Meeks, you'll have something to look forward to when you step off the ferry.
    Why, is there something happening tonight?
  • dyedwooliedyedwoolie Posts: 7,786
    Halfway House!
  • marke09marke09 Posts: 926
    2.30 and we are half-way through polling
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    Andrew said:

    TGOHF said:


    "been more impressive" is completely subjective and irrelevant come 10pm.

    I wonder how impressive he'll seem if, as seems likely, he gets fewer seats than Michael Foot.
    Moral victories are more important to some.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 61,249

    Since we're among friends...

    My other half is recovering very well at present. He decided that he wanted to go back to Northern Ireland for a couple of weeks (for personal and business reasons). He chose today as the day when he wanted to travel and explained that no, he didn't have much flexibility about this.

    As a result, I shall be on a ferry across the North Sea tonight while the election results unfold. The wifi is iffy and in any case my cabin mate won't take kindly to an illuminated iPad.

    So I'll be missing all the fun.

    Best wishes, Alastair.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 63,533

    David Miliband is touring London marginals. Now he's in Harrow West.

    Leadership bid coming up?
  • Sean_F said:


    Has anyone worked out what Martin Boon was playing at last night?

    As I said, there's a special place in hell for poll rampers.

    Kaboom 1 - The YouGov reverse ferret

    Kaboom 2 - There was rumours of a poll with Labour ahead by 3% with a BPC pollster.

    Turned out be a garbage poll by Qriously
    A more likely Kaboom is the sound tomorrow as a large chunk of the UK political polling industry vaporises in the aftermath of a gigantic polling miss.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 63,533

    Guido Fawkes‏V @GuidoFawkes
    Hearing Labour fears that their vote is not coming out. #CorbynEffect

    Didn't we read this on Labour Uncut two weeks ago?
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 61,249

    welshowl said:

    MikeL said:

    The Ben Page tweet worries me a bit.

    He's basically saying half of all voters will be over 55.

    Makes me wonder if they have overdone the turnout weighting.

    Average life expectancy in UK is 81. So:

    18 to 54 = 37 years
    55 to 81 = 26 years

    So average turnout must be 37/26 = 42% higher amongst over 55s - that's ratio, not absolute amount.

    Implies say:

    54% turnout amongst under 55s
    77% turnout amongst over 55s

    Is that realistic?

    But how many are registered? Being alive is only half the battle you've got to be registered. In fact if you posted, being alive is less important on the actual day than being registered come to think of it.
    You know, I've never thought of that - does a postal vote count if you're dead?

    Then again, how would they know?

    And for that matter - what happens if you put your cross in the box on the day and drop dead between the polling booth and the ballot box?

    I know I should get out more.
    Some people will die between casting their votes this morning, and the results being announced overnight.

    They will still be counted.
  • ChameleonChameleon Posts: 4,264

    Sean_F said:


    Has anyone worked out what Martin Boon was playing at last night?

    As I said, there's a special place in hell for poll rampers.

    Kaboom 1 - The YouGov reverse ferret

    Kaboom 2 - There was rumours of a poll with Labour ahead by 3% with a BPC pollster.

    Turned out be a garbage poll by Qriously
    A more likely Kaboom is the sound tomorrow as a large chunk of the UK political polling industry vaporises in the aftermath of a gigantic polling miss.
    You say that, but they're all congratulating each other on record profits after GE 2015, Brexit and then GE 2017.
  • Guido Fawkes‏V @GuidoFawkes
    Hearing Labour fears that their vote is not coming out. #CorbynEffect

    Seems quite likely. For every yoof voter energised by Corbyn, there will be several more who are disgusted by him, and who either fail to vote Labour or who go and vote for someone else.
  • Beverley_CBeverley_C Posts: 6,256

    Since we're among friends...

    My other half is recovering very well at present. He decided that he wanted to go back to Northern Ireland for a couple of weeks (for personal and business reasons). He chose today as the day when he wanted to travel and explained that no, he didn't have much flexibility about this.

    As a result, I shall be on a ferry across the North Sea tonight while the election results unfold. The wifi is iffy and in any case my cabin mate won't take kindly to an illuminated iPad.

    So I'll be missing all the fun.

    I hope it all goes well :+1:
  • dyedwooliedyedwoolie Posts: 7,786
    Possible we will get the most boring election ever in the SE East and SW and London and an absolute tsunami in the Midlands and North with a fascinating Scotland. Wales, anyone's Guess!
    Could Labour in the North be doing a SLAB?
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    jonny83 said:

    Guido Fawkes‏V @GuidoFawkes
    Hearing Labour fears that their vote is not coming out. #CorbynEffect

    Still early, plenty of time for the youth tsunami to turn up.
    Lab majority 26s on betfair..

  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,439

    David Miliband is touring London marginals. Now he's in Harrow West.

    Leadership bid coming up?
    Would help if he was an MP...
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 61,249

    I have a slight issue with tonight. I need to stay awake in the dead hours between the exit poll and the first few results, and the main glut from two onwards.

    Unfortunately, as my wife will be in the bedroom next door, and my toddler in the room above, I cannot make too much noise. So along with the whisky and popcorn, I've decided to continue on a paper-and-card model of a Saturn V I started a few months ago. It's all printed out ready to go, although I expect the gluing and cutting to get somewhat worse as the whisky somehow magically disappears from the bottle. ;)

    How will everyone else be spending those hours?

    (It's because I really want one of these : https://shop.lego.com/en-GB/LEGO-NASA-Apollo-Saturn-V-21309 )

    Idly speculating on here. And drinking.
  • David Miliband is touring London marginals. Now he's in Harrow West.

    Leadership bid coming up?
    What seat is he standing in?
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758

    Sean_F said:


    Has anyone worked out what Martin Boon was playing at last night?

    As I said, there's a special place in hell for poll rampers.

    Kaboom 1 - The YouGov reverse ferret

    Kaboom 2 - There was rumours of a poll with Labour ahead by 3% with a BPC pollster.

    Turned out be a garbage poll by Qriously
    A more likely Kaboom is the sound tomorrow as a large chunk of the UK political polling industry vaporises in the aftermath of a gigantic polling miss.
    "This is the first poll that gives an outright lead for Labour," Christopher Kahler, Qriously's CEO, says. "But our results are not wildly out of line with what other polls are predicting. It’s generally agreed that it will be a close-run election."

    This was their blurb. I guess they don't read PB...
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 32,726
    edited June 2017
    MikeL said:

    The Ben Page tweet worries me a bit.

    He's basically saying half of all voters will be over 55.

    Makes me wonder if they have overdone the turnout weighting.

    Average life expectancy in UK is 81. So:

    18 to 54 = 37 years
    55 to 81 = 26 years

    So average turnout must be 37/26 = 42% higher amongst over 55s - that's ratio, not absolute amount.

    Implies say:

    54% turnout amongst under 55s
    77% turnout amongst over 55s

    Is that realistic?

    Bear in mind that whilst life expectancy may be 81 that is not an upper limit for voting age whilst 18 is the lower limit. There are currently around 4.5% of the UK population who are over 80. If only half of them turn out that is still another 2% or so to add to the over 55s.
  • SquareRootSquareRoot Posts: 7,095
    Have we had Jack W's pronouncement yet?
  • ChameleonChameleon Posts: 4,264

    I have a slight issue with tonight. I need to stay awake in the dead hours between the exit poll and the first few results, and the main glut from two onwards.

    Unfortunately, as my wife will be in the bedroom next door, and my toddler in the room above, I cannot make too much noise. So along with the whisky and popcorn, I've decided to continue on a paper-and-card model of a Saturn V I started a few months ago. It's all printed out ready to go, although I expect the gluing and cutting to get somewhat worse as the whisky somehow magically disappears from the bottle. ;)

    How will everyone else be spending those hours?

    (It's because I really want one of these : https://shop.lego.com/en-GB/LEGO-NASA-Apollo-Saturn-V-21309 )

    Idly speculating on here. And drinking.
    I may try to catch four hours sleep after the exit poll. I said that before 2015 as well though...
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,439

    Have we had Jack W's pronouncement yet?

    NO!
  • BromBrom Posts: 3,760

    Guido Fawkes‏V @GuidoFawkes
    Hearing Labour fears that their vote is not coming out. #CorbynEffect

    Didn't we read this on Labour Uncut two weeks ago?
    It's just asleep. They'll be awake by 10pm and ready to head out to vote in the new Che Guevara. Hang on a minute...
  • glwglw Posts: 10,005

    I have a slight issue with tonight. I need to stay awake in the dead hours between the exit poll and the first few results, and the main glut from two onwards.

    Unfortunately, as my wife will be in the bedroom next door, and my toddler in the room above, I cannot make too much noise. So along with the whisky and popcorn, I've decided to continue on a paper-and-card model of a Saturn V I started a few months ago. It's all printed out ready to go, although I expect the gluing and cutting to get somewhat worse as the whisky somehow magically disappears from the bottle. ;)

    How will everyone else be spending those hours?

    (It's because I really want one of these : https://shop.lego.com/en-GB/LEGO-NASA-Apollo-Saturn-V-21309 )

    Have you ever read A Man on the Moon by Andrew Chaikin? It is an absolutely brilliant book about the Apollo programme, full of detail, but also wonderfully written. I've genuinely had my heart beating faster whilst reading it. It really puts into perspective just how courageous and skilled the astronauts were, not just passengers as they are sometimes described.
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340

    Guido Fawkes‏V @GuidoFawkes
    Hearing Labour fears that their vote is not coming out. #CorbynEffect

    Call me a cynic, but I wonder what day last week that tweet was drafted.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 63,533

    RobD said:

    welshowl said:

    MikeL said:

    The Ben Page tweet worries me a bit.

    He's basically saying half of all voters will be over 55.

    Makes me wonder if they have overdone the turnout weighting.

    Average life expectancy in UK is 81. So:

    18 to 54 = 37 years
    55 to 81 = 26 years

    So average turnout must be 37/26 = 42% higher amongst over 55s - that's ratio, not absolute amount.

    Implies say:

    54% turnout amongst under 55s
    77% turnout amongst over 55s

    Is that realistic?

    But how many are registered? Being alive is only half the battle you've got to be registered. In fact if you posted, being alive is less important on the actual day than being registered come to think of it.
    You know, I've never thought of that - does a postal vote count if you're dead?

    Then again, how would they know?

    And for that matter - what happens if you put your cross in the box on the day and drop dead between the polling booth and the ballot box?

    I know I should get out more.
    I think postal ballots count. Not sure about dying while you are walking to the ballot box with a completed ballot paper. I wonder if that has ever happened?
    The state some Tory PBers have got themselves into of late I wouldn't be at all surprised!
    :lol:

    I am wondering how I will get through to 10pm myself.

    Planning a couple of stress-reducing pints in the pub before heading home for the Exit.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,111

    Since we're among friends...

    My other half is recovering very well at present. He decided that he wanted to go back to Northern Ireland for a couple of weeks (for personal and business reasons). He chose today as the day when he wanted to travel and explained that no, he didn't have much flexibility about this.

    As a result, I shall be on a ferry across the North Sea tonight while the election results unfold. The wifi is iffy and in any case my cabin mate won't take kindly to an illuminated iPad.

    So I'll be missing all the fun.

    You are of course doing the right thing but try not to wake him up at 10:00:01 with a shriek (one way or the other).

    Plus we will be closely monitoring PB to ensure that you haven't snuck off to the loo, only to return half an hour later, having posted here 20 times in the meantime.

    I will be out until 10pm G-ing OTV but will have the odd PB moment the while.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 61,249

    Guido Fawkes‏V @GuidoFawkes
    Hearing Labour fears that their vote is not coming out. #CorbynEffect

    If it's a youth vote, it will come out tonight.

    But largely in cities.
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 21,766
    TGOHF said:

    Andrew said:

    TGOHF said:


    "been more impressive" is completely subjective and irrelevant come 10pm.

    I wonder how impressive he'll seem if, as seems likely, he gets fewer seats than Michael Foot.
    Moral victories are more important to some.
    The important thing is to not start your campaign 25 points adrift. However good your campaign is you will not come back from that.

    But whatever happens, Corbyn has definitely surprised and impressed this past month. Churlish to pretend otherwise.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 120,346
    I'm still sticking with my majority of around 100
  • Possible we will get the most boring election ever in the SE East and SW and London and an absolute tsunami in the Midlands and North with a fascinating Scotland. Wales, anyone's Guess!
    Could Labour in the North be doing a SLAB?

    Posted this earlier from Labour Uncut

    "nick says:
    June 7, 2017 at 11:58 am
    I’ve never lived in a marginal before but I’ve been telephone-polled by the Labour party and had stacks of flyers, including today a really ‘get the core vote out’ one featuring an ex miner and ‘save the NHS’.
    I’m in North-West Durham FFS!
    Curious experience."
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    TOPPING said:

    Since we're among friends...

    My other half is recovering very well at present. He decided that he wanted to go back to Northern Ireland for a couple of weeks (for personal and business reasons). He chose today as the day when he wanted to travel and explained that no, he didn't have much flexibility about this.

    As a result, I shall be on a ferry across the North Sea tonight while the election results unfold. The wifi is iffy and in any case my cabin mate won't take kindly to an illuminated iPad.

    So I'll be missing all the fun.

    You are of course doing the right thing but try not to wake him up at 10:00:01 with a shriek (one way or the other).

    Plus we will be closely monitoring PB to ensure that you haven't snuck off to the loo, only to return half an hour later, having posted here 20 times in the meantime.

    I will be out until 10pm G-ing OTV but will have the odd PB moment the while.
    I'll probably be allowed to keep up to date until about 11pm or so. After that I expect I shall be given a robust Ulster Scots expression to encourage me to get some sleep.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 43,932
    All the best, Me Meeks. You've got your priorities right.
  • Brom said:

    Guido Fawkes‏V @GuidoFawkes
    Hearing Labour fears that their vote is not coming out. #CorbynEffect

    Didn't we read this on Labour Uncut two weeks ago?
    It's just asleep. They'll be awake by 10pm and ready to head out to vote in the new Che Guevara. Hang on a minute...
    It's very noticeable that Travel Junkie hasn't surfaced yet. Up at the crack of 3pm or so I guess. Then back to sleep for 5 years.
  • RobinWiggsRobinWiggs Posts: 621
    edited June 2017
    Chameleon said:

    I have a slight issue with tonight. I need to stay awake in the dead hours between the exit poll and the first few results, and the main glut from two onwards.

    Unfortunately, as my wife will be in the bedroom next door, and my toddler in the room above, I cannot make too much noise. So along with the whisky and popcorn, I've decided to continue on a paper-and-card model of a Saturn V I started a few months ago. It's all printed out ready to go, although I expect the gluing and cutting to get somewhat worse as the whisky somehow magically disappears from the bottle. ;)

    How will everyone else be spending those hours?

    (It's because I really want one of these : https://shop.lego.com/en-GB/LEGO-NASA-Apollo-Saturn-V-21309 )

    Idly speculating on here. And drinking.
    I may try to catch four hours sleep after the exit poll. I said that before 2015 as well though...
    For once it may be interesting... if (when!) the exit poll is bad for Jezza then the putsch may start just after 10. Certainly it'll be interesting to watch the Lab spinners for a couple of hours if it is a heavy defeat. Osbo/Balls may be the show to watch at this time.
  • nunununu Posts: 6,024
    There was a security guard who asked me a couple of questions beofre I went into the church to vote. First time they have had a security guard, sad times.


    Not busier then usual in my avreage london outer london ward, very normal.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 54,215

    Guido Fawkes‏V @GuidoFawkes
    Hearing Labour fears that their vote is not coming out. #CorbynEffect

    Call me a cynic, but I wonder what day last week that tweet was drafted.
    Ok you're a cynic. Who is going to stuck on a ferry on election night. That's a tough gig. Sympathies.
  • JennyFreemanJennyFreeman Posts: 488
    Jonathan said:

    TGOHF said:

    Andrew said:

    TGOHF said:


    "been more impressive" is completely subjective and irrelevant come 10pm.

    I wonder how impressive he'll seem if, as seems likely, he gets fewer seats than Michael Foot.
    Moral victories are more important to some.


    But whatever happens, Corbyn has definitely surprised and impressed this past month. Churlish to pretend otherwise.
    Erm, shall we hold that judgement back until tomorrow?
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,142
    nunu said:

    There was a security guard who asked me a couple of questions beofre I went into the church to vote. First time they have had a security guard, sad times.


    Not busier then usual in my avreage london outer london ward, very normal.

    You sure it wasn't MI5 checking you weren't a Labour voter? :smiley:
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 43,932

    I have a slight issue with tonight. I need to stay awake in the dead hours between the exit poll and the first few results, and the main glut from two onwards.

    Unfortunately, as my wife will be in the bedroom next door, and my toddler in the room above, I cannot make too much noise. So along with the whisky and popcorn, I've decided to continue on a paper-and-card model of a Saturn V I started a few months ago. It's all printed out ready to go, although I expect the gluing and cutting to get somewhat worse as the whisky somehow magically disappears from the bottle. ;)

    How will everyone else be spending those hours?

    (It's because I really want one of these : https://shop.lego.com/en-GB/LEGO-NASA-Apollo-Saturn-V-21309 )

    If you bet correctly tonight you might be able to buy one!
    Unfortunately the track record of my predictions on here means the opposite. ;)
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,439
    I know Mr Jack is of... "advancing years" and it can take a while to get things revved up but this delayed climax is getting annoying now...
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,142

    All the best, Me Meeks. You've got your priorities right.

    Ah, he decided to stick with PB after all? Good man.... :p
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 61,249

    Guido Fawkes‏V @GuidoFawkes
    Hearing Labour fears that their vote is not coming out. #CorbynEffect

    Call me a cynic, but I wonder what day last week that tweet was drafted.
    There are those I take seriously as reliable sources, and those I do not.

    Guido Fawkes is not one of them.
  • It's not like JackW to be late ...... he's usually right on the button.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 63,533

    Brom said:

    Guido Fawkes‏V @GuidoFawkes
    Hearing Labour fears that their vote is not coming out. #CorbynEffect

    Didn't we read this on Labour Uncut two weeks ago?
    It's just asleep. They'll be awake by 10pm and ready to head out to vote in the new Che Guevara. Hang on a minute...
    It's very noticeable that Travel Junkie hasn't surfaced yet. Up at the crack of 3pm or so I guess. Then back to sleep for 5 years.
    When does his contract run out? 10pm I guess.
  • JackWJackW Posts: 14,787
    Apologies for the delay. A complete outage at Auchentennach Castle as an escapee went into the fence in a bid to vote and double the LibDem score !!

    ..................................................................................................

    Final JackW Conservative Bedwetting Index :

    Con 378 .. Lab 199 .. LibDem 8 .. SNP 44 .. PC 3 .. Green 1 .. UKIP 0 .. Speaker 1 .. NI 18

    Con Maj 102

    Turnout 66%
  • dyedwooliedyedwoolie Posts: 7,786

    Possible we will get the most boring election ever in the SE East and SW and London and an absolute tsunami in the Midlands and North with a fascinating Scotland. Wales, anyone's Guess!
    Could Labour in the North be doing a SLAB?

    Posted this earlier from Labour Uncut

    "nick says:
    June 7, 2017 at 11:58 am
    I’ve never lived in a marginal before but I’ve been telephone-polled by the Labour party and had stacks of flyers, including today a really ‘get the core vote out’ one featuring an ex miner and ‘save the NHS’.
    I’m in North-West Durham FFS!
    Curious experience."
    Well the ComRes swing in the NE would make it a hyper marginal, like Sunderland Central etc.
  • mattmatt Posts: 3,789

    David Miliband is touring London marginals. Now he's in Harrow West.

    Seats with anti-Corbyn candidates only or no discrimination?
  • SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 39,766

    TOPPING said:

    Since we're among friends...

    My other half is recovering very well at present. He decided that he wanted to go back to Northern Ireland for a couple of weeks (for personal and business reasons). He chose today as the day when he wanted to travel and explained that no, he didn't have much flexibility about this.

    As a result, I shall be on a ferry across the North Sea tonight while the election results unfold. The wifi is iffy and in any case my cabin mate won't take kindly to an illuminated iPad.

    So I'll be missing all the fun.

    You are of course doing the right thing but try not to wake him up at 10:00:01 with a shriek (one way or the other).

    Plus we will be closely monitoring PB to ensure that you haven't snuck off to the loo, only to return half an hour later, having posted here 20 times in the meantime.

    I will be out until 10pm G-ing OTV but will have the odd PB moment the while.
    I'll probably be allowed to keep up to date until about 11pm or so. After that I expect I shall be given a robust Ulster Scots expression to encourage me to get some sleep.

    I really want to sleep tonight as I am off out for a long lunch and then drinks tomorrow, but I do not see how I will be able to do it. My head will not let me. I am seriously considering a midnight sleeping pill, but am not sure even that will work.

  • nunu said:

    There was a security guard who asked me a couple of questions beofre I went into the church to vote. First time they have had a security guard, sad times.


    Not busier then usual in my avreage london outer london ward, very normal.

    Tumbleweed in my part of Sutton Coldfield. Not a single other voter in sight.
  • Guido Fawkes‏V @GuidoFawkes
    Hearing Labour fears that their vote is not coming out. #CorbynEffect

    If it's a youth vote, it will come out tonight.

    But largely in cities.
    If they are talking 18-24, a pretty large number will be in education/training, unemployed or with childcare responsibilities so available to vote in the day. Not as big a proportion as for pensioners, but far more than for late 20s, 30s, 40s and 50s voters who, yes, are more likely to be very early or relatively late.

    However, I'd not read anything into party reports of turnout on the day. You might well want to boost turnout by spreading scare stories that it's looking bad and the onus is on YOU.

  • dyedwooliedyedwoolie Posts: 7,786
    Yep. Lewis will clear 50% I think
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    JackW said:

    Apologies for the delay. A complete outage at Auchentennach Castle as an escapee went into the fence in a bid to vote and double the LibDem score !!

    ..................................................................................................

    Final JackW Conservative Bedwetting Index :

    Con 378 .. Lab 199 .. LibDem 8 .. SNP 44 .. PC 3 .. Green 1 .. UKIP 0 .. Speaker 1 .. NI 18

    Con Maj 102

    Turnout 66%

    That's a Con Maj of 106!
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 21,766

    Jonathan said:

    TGOHF said:

    Andrew said:

    TGOHF said:


    "been more impressive" is completely subjective and irrelevant come 10pm.

    I wonder how impressive he'll seem if, as seems likely, he gets fewer seats than Michael Foot.
    Moral victories are more important to some.


    But whatever happens, Corbyn has definitely surprised and impressed this past month. Churlish to pretend otherwise.
    Erm, shall we hold that judgement back until tomorrow?
    Why? It's perfectly reasonable to reflect on the past campaign and the contribution of various individuals. As a critic, I was surprised and impressed by Corbyn.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,726
    I've got a bottle of paraquat ready in case the exit poll is bad.
  • nunununu Posts: 6,024

    Guido Fawkes‏V @GuidoFawkes
    Hearing Labour fears that their vote is not coming out. #CorbynEffect

    Didn't we read this on Labour Uncut two weeks ago?
    Yes. Atul has very good intelligence.
  • rural_voterrural_voter Posts: 2,038
    Brom said:

    Guido Fawkes‏V @GuidoFawkes
    Hearing Labour fears that their vote is not coming out. #CorbynEffect

    Didn't we read this on Labour Uncut two weeks ago?
    It's just asleep. They'll be awake by 10pm and ready to head out to vote in the new Che Guevara. Hang on a minute...
    I'm surprised the Labour manifesto didn't include the policy
    'We shall extend voting hours to midnight'.

    Or to 07.00 h the next day.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,111

    TOPPING said:

    Since we're among friends...

    My other half is recovering very well at present. He decided that he wanted to go back to Northern Ireland for a couple of weeks (for personal and business reasons). He chose today as the day when he wanted to travel and explained that no, he didn't have much flexibility about this.

    As a result, I shall be on a ferry across the North Sea tonight while the election results unfold. The wifi is iffy and in any case my cabin mate won't take kindly to an illuminated iPad.

    So I'll be missing all the fun.

    You are of course doing the right thing but try not to wake him up at 10:00:01 with a shriek (one way or the other).

    Plus we will be closely monitoring PB to ensure that you haven't snuck off to the loo, only to return half an hour later, having posted here 20 times in the meantime.

    I will be out until 10pm G-ing OTV but will have the odd PB moment the while.
    I'll probably be allowed to keep up to date until about 11pm or so. After that I expect I shall be given a robust Ulster Scots expression to encourage me to get some sleep.
    And it will be good advice. Make sure it is aided by something peaty.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,439
    JackW said:

    Apologies for the delay. A complete outage at Auchentennach Castle as an escapee went into the fence in a bid to vote and double the LibDem score !!

    ..................................................................................................

    Final JackW Conservative Bedwetting Index :

    Con 378 .. Lab 199 .. LibDem 8 .. SNP 44 .. PC 3 .. Green 1 .. UKIP 0 .. Speaker 1 .. NI 18

    Con Maj 102

    Turnout 66%

    Ah, finally!

    So at 10pm it will be:


    *BONG* *BONG* *BONG*


    "Landslide For May"
  • AndreaParma_82AndreaParma_82 Posts: 4,714
    Ealing Central, Ilford North and Harrow West so far.
    But I don't think there are Corbynite candidates in London marginals anyway.
    matt said:

    David Miliband is touring London marginals. Now he's in Harrow West.

    Seats with anti-Corbyn candidates only or no discrimination?
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 21,766

    TOPPING said:

    Since we're among friends...

    My other half is recovering very well at present. He decided that he wanted to go back to Northern Ireland for a couple of weeks (for personal and business reasons). He chose today as the day when he wanted to travel and explained that no, he didn't have much flexibility about this.

    As a result, I shall be on a ferry across the North Sea tonight while the election results unfold. The wifi is iffy and in any case my cabin mate won't take kindly to an illuminated iPad.

    So I'll be missing all the fun.

    You are of course doing the right thing but try not to wake him up at 10:00:01 with a shriek (one way or the other).

    Plus we will be closely monitoring PB to ensure that you haven't snuck off to the loo, only to return half an hour later, having posted here 20 times in the meantime.

    I will be out until 10pm G-ing OTV but will have the odd PB moment the while.
    I'll probably be allowed to keep up to date until about 11pm or so. After that I expect I shall be given a robust Ulster Scots expression to encourage me to get some sleep.

    I really want to sleep tonight as I am off out for a long lunch and then drinks tomorrow, but I do not see how I will be able to do it. My head will not let me. I am seriously considering a midnight sleeping pill, but am not sure even that will work.

    Just roll with it. You're not going to sleep. Go to the cinema if necessary.
  • nunununu Posts: 6,024

    David Miliband is touring London marginals. Now he's in Harrow West.

    Leadership bid coming up?
    He is not going to any labour targets only labour held marginals.
  • Guido Fawkes‏V @GuidoFawkes
    Hearing Labour fears that their vote is not coming out. #CorbynEffect

    Call me a cynic, but I wonder what day last week that tweet was drafted.
    There are those I take seriously as reliable sources, and those I do not.

    Guido Fawkes is not one of them.
    So you neither take him seriously, nor do you not take him seriously?
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 61,249
    JackW said:

    Apologies for the delay. A complete outage at Auchentennach Castle as an escapee went into the fence in a bid to vote and double the LibDem score !!

    ..................................................................................................

    Final JackW Conservative Bedwetting Index :

    Con 378 .. Lab 199 .. LibDem 8 .. SNP 44 .. PC 3 .. Green 1 .. UKIP 0 .. Speaker 1 .. NI 18

    Con Maj 102

    Turnout 66%

    All bedwetting rights are fully reserved for the next 7 hours and 19 minutes.
  • SlackbladderSlackbladder Posts: 9,786
    Jonathan said:

    TOPPING said:

    Since we're among friends...

    My other half is recovering very well at present. He decided that he wanted to go back to Northern Ireland for a couple of weeks (for personal and business reasons). He chose today as the day when he wanted to travel and explained that no, he didn't have much flexibility about this.

    As a result, I shall be on a ferry across the North Sea tonight while the election results unfold. The wifi is iffy and in any case my cabin mate won't take kindly to an illuminated iPad.

    So I'll be missing all the fun.

    You are of course doing the right thing but try not to wake him up at 10:00:01 with a shriek (one way or the other).

    Plus we will be closely monitoring PB to ensure that you haven't snuck off to the loo, only to return half an hour later, having posted here 20 times in the meantime.

    I will be out until 10pm G-ing OTV but will have the odd PB moment the while.
    I'll probably be allowed to keep up to date until about 11pm or so. After that I expect I shall be given a robust Ulster Scots expression to encourage me to get some sleep.

    I really want to sleep tonight as I am off out for a long lunch and then drinks tomorrow, but I do not see how I will be able to do it. My head will not let me. I am seriously considering a midnight sleeping pill, but am not sure even that will work.

    Just roll with it. You're not going to sleep. Go to the cinema if necessary.
    the same thing happened with me in 2015, just couldn't sleep. got a few hours max, but was ok-ish for work on the friday...
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,142
    edited June 2017
    GIN1138 said:

    JackW said:

    Apologies for the delay. A complete outage at Auchentennach Castle as an escapee went into the fence in a bid to vote and double the LibDem score !!

    ..................................................................................................

    Final JackW Conservative Bedwetting Index :

    Con 378 .. Lab 199 .. LibDem 8 .. SNP 44 .. PC 3 .. Green 1 .. UKIP 0 .. Speaker 1 .. NI 18

    Con Maj 102

    Turnout 66%

    Ah, finally!

    So at 10pm it will be:


    *BONG* *BONG* *BONG*


    "Landslide For May"
    Point of order. There was only one bong before the exit poll was announced last time. :p
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 54,215

    JackW said:

    Apologies for the delay. A complete outage at Auchentennach Castle as an escapee went into the fence in a bid to vote and double the LibDem score !!

    ..................................................................................................

    Final JackW Conservative Bedwetting Index :

    Con 378 .. Lab 199 .. LibDem 8 .. SNP 44 .. PC 3 .. Green 1 .. UKIP 0 .. Speaker 1 .. NI 18

    Con Maj 102

    Turnout 66%

    That's a Con Maj of 106!
    Jack will just be making allowance for the awkward squad.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 61,249
    GIN1138 said:

    JackW said:

    Apologies for the delay. A complete outage at Auchentennach Castle as an escapee went into the fence in a bid to vote and double the LibDem score !!

    ..................................................................................................

    Final JackW Conservative Bedwetting Index :

    Con 378 .. Lab 199 .. LibDem 8 .. SNP 44 .. PC 3 .. Green 1 .. UKIP 0 .. Speaker 1 .. NI 18

    Con Maj 102

    Turnout 66%

    Ah, finally!

    So at 10pm it will be:


    *BONG* *BONG* *BONG*


    "Landslide For May"
    Hubris.
  • CookieCookie Posts: 14,280

    JackW said:

    Apologies for the delay. A complete outage at Auchentennach Castle as an escapee went into the fence in a bid to vote and double the LibDem score !!

    ..................................................................................................

    Final JackW Conservative Bedwetting Index :

    Con 378 .. Lab 199 .. LibDem 8 .. SNP 44 .. PC 3 .. Green 1 .. UKIP 0 .. Speaker 1 .. NI 18

    Con Maj 102

    Turnout 66%

    That's a Con Maj of 106!
    Ha! Let's hope so. I'm on 199 Labour seats at 33-1. (only £2.50, mind).
    Before anyone credits me with any foresight, I'm also on Lab 200-250 and on NOM...
  • Jonathan said:

    Jonathan said:

    TGOHF said:

    Andrew said:

    TGOHF said:


    "been more impressive" is completely subjective and irrelevant come 10pm.

    I wonder how impressive he'll seem if, as seems likely, he gets fewer seats than Michael Foot.
    Moral victories are more important to some.


    But whatever happens, Corbyn has definitely surprised and impressed this past month. Churlish to pretend otherwise.
    Erm, shall we hold that judgement back until tomorrow?
    Why? It's perfectly reasonable to reflect on the past campaign and the contribution of various individuals. As a critic, I was surprised and impressed by Corbyn.
    How can you be impressed in advance of knowing how he has performed? It's like saying Andrew Murray looked good on the walk from the dressing room before the match began.
  • DanSmithDanSmith Posts: 1,215
    I feel like anything below 200 seats and the Corbyn project is struggling to remain viable.
  • oldpoliticsoldpolitics Posts: 455
    MikeL said:

    MikeL said:

    The Ben Page tweet worries me a bit.

    He's basically saying half of all voters will be over 55.

    Makes me wonder if they have overdone the turnout weighting.

    Average life expectancy in UK is 81. So:

    18 to 54 = 37 years
    55 to 81 = 26 years

    So average turnout must be 37/26 = 42% higher amongst over 55s - that's ratio, not absolute amount.

    Implies say:

    54% turnout amongst under 55s
    77% turnout amongst over 55s

    Is that realistic?

    Seems like it has a fair chance of being bang on but I'm not absolutely sure your averaging of life expectancy quite works the way you think it does. Aren't you assuming that birth cohorts are constant across time, and that nobody dies aged 54 or under, there?
    Yes - you're quite right on both points.

    I just thought it was a reasonable broad brush calculation - I wouldn't have thought your points would make a substantial difference to the result.
    Most likely good enough for all practical purposes given the uncertainties in all the other numbers, yes.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,439

    GIN1138 said:

    JackW said:

    Apologies for the delay. A complete outage at Auchentennach Castle as an escapee went into the fence in a bid to vote and double the LibDem score !!

    ..................................................................................................

    Final JackW Conservative Bedwetting Index :

    Con 378 .. Lab 199 .. LibDem 8 .. SNP 44 .. PC 3 .. Green 1 .. UKIP 0 .. Speaker 1 .. NI 18

    Con Maj 102

    Turnout 66%

    Ah, finally!

    So at 10pm it will be:


    *BONG* *BONG* *BONG*


    "Landslide For May"
    Hubris.
    Me or Mr Jack? :D
  • Jonathan said:

    Jonathan said:

    TGOHF said:

    Andrew said:

    TGOHF said:


    "been more impressive" is completely subjective and irrelevant come 10pm.

    I wonder how impressive he'll seem if, as seems likely, he gets fewer seats than Michael Foot.
    Moral victories are more important to some.


    But whatever happens, Corbyn has definitely surprised and impressed this past month. Churlish to pretend otherwise.
    Erm, shall we hold that judgement back until tomorrow?
    Why? It's perfectly reasonable to reflect on the past campaign and the contribution of various individuals. As a critic, I was surprised and impressed by Corbyn.
    Absolutely. Even if the polls badly understate the Tories and May gets her mega-landslide, it's unarguable that Corbyn will have done better than had the actual vote been a week after the announcement, say. He's had a good campaign. The polls may be wrong in terms of levels, but that doesn't change the fact that the polls (and canvassers) all agree the movement over the campaign has been away from May.
  • Ishmael_Z said:

    So BBC or Sky at 10 pm? (Bearing in mind I am in love with Sophy Ridge).

    I suspect it's *cough* a bit late for all that.
  • AndreaParma_82AndreaParma_82 Posts: 4,714
    The GE campaign was useful. It informed us that

    Corbyn is still crap
    May is also crap
    Sturgeon has become crap
    Farron is an irrelevant crap
    Wood is yn crap
    and Nuttall...who?
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,142

    JackW said:

    Apologies for the delay. A complete outage at Auchentennach Castle as an escapee went into the fence in a bid to vote and double the LibDem score !!

    ..................................................................................................

    Final JackW Conservative Bedwetting Index :

    Con 378 .. Lab 199 .. LibDem 8 .. SNP 44 .. PC 3 .. Green 1 .. UKIP 0 .. Speaker 1 .. NI 18

    Con Maj 102

    Turnout 66%

    All bedwetting rights are fully reserved for the next 7 hours and 19 minutes.
    And for longer if the exit poll is sub-optimal... :D
  • Well four hours in my polling station and it has been solidly raining for the past two hours.

    I didn't sit at the Assembly election but I was told it was significantly busier.

    Couple of younger voters turned up who are not registered. I think that might well happen more in England as many of the keyboard Momentum warriors didn't check the actual register.
  • mwadamsmwadams Posts: 3,689
    That's weird. The Greens are campaigning with plackards in Cambridge City Centre. I didn't think that was allowed on polling day?
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,439
    RobD said:

    GIN1138 said:

    JackW said:

    Apologies for the delay. A complete outage at Auchentennach Castle as an escapee went into the fence in a bid to vote and double the LibDem score !!

    ..................................................................................................

    Final JackW Conservative Bedwetting Index :

    Con 378 .. Lab 199 .. LibDem 8 .. SNP 44 .. PC 3 .. Green 1 .. UKIP 0 .. Speaker 1 .. NI 18

    Con Maj 102

    Turnout 66%

    Ah, finally!

    So at 10pm it will be:


    *BONG* *BONG* *BONG*


    "Landslide For May"
    Point of order. There was only one bong before the exit poll was announced last time. :p
    There's always one pedant isn't there? ;)
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 53,257

    TOPPING said:

    Since we're among friends...

    My other half is recovering very well at present. He decided that he wanted to go back to Northern Ireland for a couple of weeks (for personal and business reasons). He chose today as the day when he wanted to travel and explained that no, he didn't have much flexibility about this.

    As a result, I shall be on a ferry across the North Sea tonight while the election results unfold. The wifi is iffy and in any case my cabin mate won't take kindly to an illuminated iPad.

    So I'll be missing all the fun.

    You are of course doing the right thing but try not to wake him up at 10:00:01 with a shriek (one way or the other).

    Plus we will be closely monitoring PB to ensure that you haven't snuck off to the loo, only to return half an hour later, having posted here 20 times in the meantime.

    I will be out until 10pm G-ing OTV but will have the odd PB moment the while.
    I'll probably be allowed to keep up to date until about 11pm or so. After that I expect I shall be given a robust Ulster Scots expression to encourage me to get some sleep.
    So just the Sunderland results then before radio silence!
  • The GE campaign was useful. It informed us that

    Corbyn is still crap
    May is also crap
    Sturgeon has become crap
    Farron is an irrelevant crap
    Wood is yn crap
    and Nuttall...who?

    I see your conversational English is continuing to improve Andrea.
  • Scrapheap_as_wasScrapheap_as_was Posts: 10,069
    edited June 2017

    Guido Fawkes‏V @GuidoFawkes
    Hearing Labour fears that their vote is not coming out. #CorbynEffect

    Call me a cynic, but I wonder what day last week that tweet was drafted.
    There are those I take seriously as reliable sources, and those I do not.

    Guido Fawkes is not one of them.
    indeed, this guy though?

    https://twitter.com/steve_hawkes/status/872810909026197506
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    Anecdote alert: Voted at about 12:30 and the gentleman handing out the ballot papers said unprompted that turnout was "high", that over a hundred had voted so far there which is "double" what he would normally expect by that time. Said that there had been a lot of young people voting.

    Make of that what you will. Not had the chance to read the thread so don't know if that matches other people's expectations.
  • DanSmith said:

    I feel like anything below 200 seats and the Corbyn project is struggling to remain viable.

    Is it about seats or vote share, though, among the party members?

    If he got 35% and lost seats, he'd surely be unassailable.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,142

    Anecdote alert: Voted at about 12:30 and the gentleman handing out the ballot papers said unprompted that turnout was "high", that over a hundred had voted so far there which is "double" what he would normally expect by that time. Said that there had been a lot of young people voting.

    Make of that what you will. Not had the chance to read the thread so don't know if that matches other people's expectations.

    Which constituency, if we can ask?
  • SquareRootSquareRoot Posts: 7,095
    edited June 2017
    I am not certain about the outcome. Its the second time the General election has been fought on facebook. I have seen absolutely nothing of it, so I have no idea what ordinary people are saying(ie not the PB crowd). I couldn't listen to 5 live it was too painful.

  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,274

    Anecdote alert: Voted at about 12:30 and the gentleman handing out the ballot papers said unprompted that turnout was "high", that over a hundred had voted so far there which is "double" what he would normally expect by that time. Said that there had been a lot of young people voting.

    Make of that what you will. Not had the chance to read the thread so don't know if that matches other people's expectations.

    Whereabouts are you?
  • DanSmithDanSmith Posts: 1,215

    DanSmith said:

    I feel like anything below 200 seats and the Corbyn project is struggling to remain viable.

    Is it about seats or vote share, though, among the party members?

    If he got 35% and lost seats, he'd surely be unassailable.
    Depends how close that 35% is, if they are within 6-7% then he could justify staying on. 10+ behind though and they are no where.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,439

    Anecdote alert: Voted at about 12:30 and the gentleman handing out the ballot papers said unprompted that turnout was "high", that over a hundred had voted so far there which is "double" what he would normally expect by that time. Said that there had been a lot of young people voting.

    Make of that what you will. Not had the chance to read the thread so don't know if that matches other people's expectations.

    Millennials4jezza :smiley:
  • nunununu Posts: 6,024

    Sean_F said:

    The final Ipsos MORI poll gives Mrs May an 11% lead over Corbyn on most capable PM.

    In 2015 Cameron had a 15% lead over Miliband.

    #MayIsCrap

    OTOH, he only had a 4% lead over Brown in 2010.

    There must be a link between best PM and voting intention, but it's not a clear one.
    I think the link is going to be stronger if we truly are reverting back to two party politics.
    the survation gave her a 15% lead on this measure but just 1% lead overall.
  • Bobajob_PBBobajob_PB Posts: 928

    Brom said:

    Guido Fawkes‏V @GuidoFawkes
    Hearing Labour fears that their vote is not coming out. #CorbynEffect

    Didn't we read this on Labour Uncut two weeks ago?
    It's just asleep. They'll be awake by 10pm and ready to head out to vote in the new Che Guevara. Hang on a minute...
    I'm surprised the Labour manifesto didn't include the policy
    'We shall extend voting hours to midnight'.

    Or to 07.00 h the next day.
    Four hours later and I see the PB Tories are still stereotyping Millennials as feckless and lazy. How we chortled. How we larfed.
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 17,405

    The GE campaign was useful. It informed us that

    Corbyn is still crap
    May is also crap
    Sturgeon has become crap
    Farron is an irrelevant crap
    Wood is yn crap
    and Nuttall...who?

    In my view May is crap and Corbyn isn't the danger he thinks he is and his opponents would like him to be. A paper tiger to use his favoured Communist terminology.
  • Ishmael_ZIshmael_Z Posts: 8,981
    DanSmith said:

    I feel like anything below 200 seats and the Corbyn project is struggling to remain viable.

    To be a corbynista you have to be far too far gone, to worry about the seat count at a rigged General Election. Messiahs who foresee the end of the world are never fazed when it doesn't happen, they just tell the faithful it's been postponed. The popular vote strategy is specifically Corbynite, not generally Labour and designed to inflame the faithful by contrasting vote share with seats won. Is he going to stand down? No. Are they going to no confidence him again? No. Is he going to limp on till conference in any way he can so as to rig the leadership election rules? Yes.
  • JonCisBackJonCisBack Posts: 911

    welshowl said:

    MikeL said:

    The Ben Page tweet worries me a bit.

    He's basically saying half of all voters will be over 55.

    Makes me wonder if they have overdone the turnout weighting.

    Average life expectancy in UK is 81. So:

    18 to 54 = 37 years
    55 to 81 = 26 years

    So average turnout must be 37/26 = 42% higher amongst over 55s - that's ratio, not absolute amount.

    Implies say:

    54% turnout amongst under 55s
    77% turnout amongst over 55s

    Is that realistic?

    But how many are registered? Being alive is only half the battle you've got to be registered. In fact if you posted, being alive is less important on the actual day than being registered come to think of it.
    You know, I've never thought of that - does a postal vote count if you're dead?

    Then again, how would they know?

    And for that matter - what happens if you put your cross in the box on the day and drop dead between the polling booth and the ballot box?

    I know I should get out more.
    Some people will die between casting their votes this morning, and the results being announced overnight.

    They will still be counted.
    Eek. Must be quite a few who have died since casting their postal vote 10 days ago.

    ~800,000 people die each year, call it 25,000 in 10 days. Almost all wil be over 18, 15-odd % have a postal vote, turnout 67%. So ~2500 dead people's votes will be counted. Is that right?!

    Reminds me of the "stat" that if you buy your lottery ticket before IIRC Thursday lunchtime you're more likely to be dead than win the jackpot.

    Have a nice day everyone!
  • peter_from_putneypeter_from_putney Posts: 6,956
    edited June 2017

    JackW said:

    Apologies for the delay. A complete outage at Auchentennach Castle as an escapee went into the fence in a bid to vote and double the LibDem score !!

    ..................................................................................................

    Final JackW Conservative Bedwetting Index :

    Con 378 .. Lab 199 .. LibDem 8 .. SNP 44 .. PC 3 .. Green 1 .. UKIP 0 .. Speaker 1 .. NI 18

    Con Maj 102

    Turnout 66%

    That's a Con Maj of 106!
    Jack's seats total 652, so presumably the Tories' seat total should read 376 instead of 378.

    Well, there you go, Jack goes for a 100+ seat landslide Tory win, whereas Stephen Fisher reckons there's only a 1% chance of such an eventuality.

    You pays your money and you takes your choice!
  • SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 39,766

    Jonathan said:

    TOPPING said:

    Since we're among friends...

    My other half is recovering very well at present. He decided that he wanted to go back to Northern Ireland for a couple of weeks (for personal and business reasons). He chose today as the day when he wanted to travel and explained that no, he didn't have much flexibility about this.

    As a result, I shall be on a ferry across the North Sea tonight while the election results unfold. The wifi is iffy and in any case my cabin mate won't take kindly to an illuminated iPad.

    So I'll be missing all the fun.

    You are of course doing the right thing but try not to wake him up at 10:00:01 with a shriek (one way or the other).

    Plus we will be closely monitoring PB to ensure that you haven't snuck off to the loo, only to return half an hour later, having posted here 20 times in the meantime.

    I will be out until 10pm G-ing OTV but will have the odd PB moment the while.
    I'll probably be allowed to keep up to date until about 11pm or so. After that I expect I shall be given a robust Ulster Scots expression to encourage me to get some sleep.

    I really want to sleep tonight as I am off out for a long lunch and then drinks tomorrow, but I do not see how I will be able to do it. My head will not let me. I am seriously considering a midnight sleeping pill, but am not sure even that will work.

    Just roll with it. You're not going to sleep. Go to the cinema if necessary.
    the same thing happened with me in 2015, just couldn't sleep. got a few hours max, but was ok-ish for work on the friday...

    I'll get through the day OK, it's the train journey home that concerns me: fall asleep, snore and dribble, miss Leamington and end up in Kidderminster then only realise I have left my wallet and phone on board when I get on the next train back to Leamington. It may have happened before!

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