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  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,439
    kle4 said:

    GIN1138 said:

    GeoffM said:

    I'm experiencing a wobble. On my twitter feed many singers, musicians, TV personalities, writers, cartoonists, and one catastrophically overwrought TV cook are all breaking decisively for Labour. Surely PM Corbyn is nailed on?

    Every time I go into a polling station I first ask myself Who Would Lilly Allen Vote For?

    She is apparently a singer of some type, and therefore Knows Stuff.
    GIN1138 said:

    I'm experiencing a wobble. On my twitter feed many singers, musicians, TV personalities, writers, cartoonists, and one catastrophically overwrought TV cook are all breaking decisively for Labour. Surely PM Corbyn is nailed on?

    Who is the cook out of interest?
    Ruby Tandoh seems to be experiencing some distress. Worth a trip to twitter, from behind a welding mask, to have a look.
    Never heard of her but I'll have a look. ;)
    She's personally calling out TV chefs 'shaming' them for not speaking out

    lots of big names staying suspiciously silent today despite their entire fortune/following being built on a ~kind and inclusive~ ethos

    sorry but silence makes you a tory. if u think some ideological non-partisan thing is more valuable than getting a Labour govt in, get lost

    This is a parody account right?

  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    MattyNeth said:

    Con majority out from 1.15 to 1.25 in last couple of hours??

    Profit taking ?
  • TW1R64TW1R64 Posts: 56
    Floater said:

    The mood music since QT has been poor for Labour. Not brilliant for May either, especially on police numbers, but the scrutiny of Labour on security matters and the past comments of their top triumvirate are poisonous. I can envisage a sizeable late return to May as people think to themselves "Do I want to risk Prime Minister Corbyn? Nah....." This poll might perhaps be catching the start of it.

    Perhaps this election won't even be remotely close in the end?

    I'm getting pissed in 10 hours, whatever.
    Yep
    I've got a bottle of English Sparkling wine for the exit poll at 10pm and a litre of gin on standby just in case!

  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 63,533
    glw said:

    GIN1138 said:

    GeoffM said:

    I'm experiencing a wobble. On my twitter feed many singers, musicians, TV personalities, writers, cartoonists, and one catastrophically overwrought TV cook are all breaking decisively for Labour. Surely PM Corbyn is nailed on?

    Every time I go into a polling station I first ask myself Who Would Lilly Allen Vote For?

    She is apparently a singer of some type, and therefore Knows Stuff.
    GIN1138 said:

    I'm experiencing a wobble. On my twitter feed many singers, musicians, TV personalities, writers, cartoonists, and one catastrophically overwrought TV cook are all breaking decisively for Labour. Surely PM Corbyn is nailed on?

    Who is the cook out of interest?
    Ruby Tandoh seems to be experiencing some distress. Worth a trip to twitter, from behind a welding mask, to have a look.
    Never heard of her but I'll have a look. ;)
    So right on and so stupid at the same time.
    Today may be the best sales day The Sun has had in decades if all the cultists are out buying 30 copies at a time and binning them. LOL.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,830
    GIN1138 said:

    kle4 said:

    GIN1138 said:

    GeoffM said:

    I'm experiencing a wobble. On my twitter feed many singers, musicians, TV personalities, writers, cartoonists, and one catastrophically overwrought TV cook are all breaking decisively for Labour. Surely PM Corbyn is nailed on?

    Every time I go into a polling station I first ask myself Who Would Lilly Allen Vote For?

    She is apparently a singer of some type, and therefore Knows Stuff.
    GIN1138 said:

    I'm experiencing a wobble. On my twitter feed many singers, musicians, TV personalities, writers, cartoonists, and one catastrophically overwrought TV cook are all breaking decisively for Labour. Surely PM Corbyn is nailed on?

    Who is the cook out of interest?
    Ruby Tandoh seems to be experiencing some distress. Worth a trip to twitter, from behind a welding mask, to have a look.
    Never heard of her but I'll have a look. ;)
    She's personally calling out TV chefs 'shaming' them for not speaking out

    lots of big names staying suspiciously silent today despite their entire fortune/following being built on a ~kind and inclusive~ ethos

    sorry but silence makes you a tory. if u think some ideological non-partisan thing is more valuable than getting a Labour govt in, get lost

    This is a parody account right?

    Could be for all I know. Funny though.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 63,533

    kle4 said:

    GIN1138 said:

    GeoffM said:

    I'm experiencing a wobble. On my twitter feed many singers, musicians, TV personalities, writers, cartoonists, and one catastrophically overwrought TV cook are all breaking decisively for Labour. Surely PM Corbyn is nailed on?

    Every time I go into a polling station I first ask myself Who Would Lilly Allen Vote For?

    She is apparently a singer of some type, and therefore Knows Stuff.
    GIN1138 said:

    I'm experiencing a wobble. On my twitter feed many singers, musicians, TV personalities, writers, cartoonists, and one catastrophically overwrought TV cook are all breaking decisively for Labour. Surely PM Corbyn is nailed on?

    Who is the cook out of interest?
    Ruby Tandoh seems to be experiencing some distress. Worth a trip to twitter, from behind a welding mask, to have a look.
    Never heard of her but I'll have a look. ;)
    She's personally calling out TV chefs 'shaming' them for not speaking out

    lots of big names staying suspiciously silent today despite their entire fortune/following being built on a ~kind and inclusive~ ethos

    sorry but silence makes you a tory. if u think some ideological non-partisan thing is more valuable than getting a Labour govt in, get lost
    She also called out Nigella Lawson, I wonder if she know's who her dad is?
    Silence makes you a Tory?

    Oh, boy, we are one step away from show trials in Moscow with this lot.
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    TGOHF said:

    MattyNeth said:

    Con majority out from 1.15 to 1.25 in last couple of hours??

    Profit taking ?
    Either way I'm taking the free money.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 63,533
    TW1R64 said:

    Floater said:

    The mood music since QT has been poor for Labour. Not brilliant for May either, especially on police numbers, but the scrutiny of Labour on security matters and the past comments of their top triumvirate are poisonous. I can envisage a sizeable late return to May as people think to themselves "Do I want to risk Prime Minister Corbyn? Nah....." This poll might perhaps be catching the start of it.

    Perhaps this election won't even be remotely close in the end?

    I'm getting pissed in 10 hours, whatever.
    Yep
    I've got a bottle of English Sparkling wine for the exit poll at 10pm and a litre of gin on standby just in case!

    ...and the pearl-handled revolver?
  • One of my sources reports police called to the Civic Hall in Didcot (the Gdansk of Oxfordshire (c) Stephen Fry) after someone made a grab for the ballot papers!
  • glwglw Posts: 10,005

    Today may be the best sales day The Sun has had in decades if all the cultists are out buying 30 copies at a time and binning them. LOL.

    Also not exactly a great idea to turn the whole thing into a Twitter storm.
  • TW1R64TW1R64 Posts: 56
    One interesting fact I learned. Our street had 100% turnout last time!
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,274

    isam said:

    Betfair Tory maj drifting from 1.15 to now 1.21 in last hour.

    Might be popping out for some pampers for the first time..... or more popcorn.

    Now 1.26.....
    Pile on.

    There's no way the Blues are going to all Spursy today.
    When was the last time Spurs were odds on for a trophy and blew it?
    Against Coventry in 87?
    Can we go back to Pampers please... this banter is not helping.
    You reckon if Corbyn increases Labour's votes but loses seats, he'll feel like Spurs fans in 2012 when they finished fourth in the league but were denied a Champions League spot because Chelsea won the Champions League that season?
    Surely more like Arsenal this season. We increased are points by four but fell three places.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,546
    edited June 2017

    glw said:

    GIN1138 said:

    GeoffM said:

    I'm experiencing a wobble. On my twitter feed many singers, musicians, TV personalities, writers, cartoonists, and one catastrophically overwrought TV cook are all breaking decisively for Labour. Surely PM Corbyn is nailed on?

    Every time I go into a polling station I first ask myself Who Would Lilly Allen Vote For?

    She is apparently a singer of some type, and therefore Knows Stuff.
    GIN1138 said:

    I'm experiencing a wobble. On my twitter feed many singers, musicians, TV personalities, writers, cartoonists, and one catastrophically overwrought TV cook are all breaking decisively for Labour. Surely PM Corbyn is nailed on?

    Who is the cook out of interest?
    Ruby Tandoh seems to be experiencing some distress. Worth a trip to twitter, from behind a welding mask, to have a look.
    Never heard of her but I'll have a look. ;)
    So right on and so stupid at the same time.
    Today may be the best sales day The Sun has had in decades if all the cultists are out buying 30 copies at a time and binning them. LOL.
    It reminds me when the yuff had that campaign against Simon Cowell and all decided to buy RATM track to stop XFactor getting Christmas #1....but RATM record label is Sony and Cowell own label is part owned by Sony and he has share / profit share with them.....Genius.
  • glwglw Posts: 10,005
    GIN1138 said:

    kle4 said:

    GIN1138 said:

    GeoffM said:

    I'm experiencing a wobble. On my twitter feed many singers, musicians, TV personalities, writers, cartoonists, and one catastrophically overwrought TV cook are all breaking decisively for Labour. Surely PM Corbyn is nailed on?

    Every time I go into a polling station I first ask myself Who Would Lilly Allen Vote For?

    She is apparently a singer of some type, and therefore Knows Stuff.
    GIN1138 said:

    I'm experiencing a wobble. On my twitter feed many singers, musicians, TV personalities, writers, cartoonists, and one catastrophically overwrought TV cook are all breaking decisively for Labour. Surely PM Corbyn is nailed on?

    Who is the cook out of interest?
    Ruby Tandoh seems to be experiencing some distress. Worth a trip to twitter, from behind a welding mask, to have a look.
    Never heard of her but I'll have a look. ;)
    She's personally calling out TV chefs 'shaming' them for not speaking out

    lots of big names staying suspiciously silent today despite their entire fortune/following being built on a ~kind and inclusive~ ethos

    sorry but silence makes you a tory. if u think some ideological non-partisan thing is more valuable than getting a Labour govt in, get lost

    This is a parody account right?

    No she is deadly stupid.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 120,345
    Have Paddy Power paid out on the Tories winning?

    Is surprising if they haven't.

    Perhaps they think Corbyn's going to pull this off.
  • not_on_firenot_on_fire Posts: 4,449

    One of my sources reports police called to the Civic Hall in Didcot (the Gdansk of Oxfordshire (c) Stephen Fry) after someone made a grab for the ballot papers!

    One of my sources reports police called to the Civic Hall in Didcot (the Gdansk of Oxfordshire (c) Stephen Fry) after someone made a grab for the ballot papers!

    MI5 will just hire anyone these days, it seems
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,439
    Saw someone buying a bottle of Jim Beam in Tesco earlier. Asked "is that for tonight?" He grinned and nodded. :D
  • One of my sources reports police called to the Civic Hall in Didcot (the Gdansk of Oxfordshire (c) Stephen Fry) after someone made a grab for the ballot papers!

    One of my sources reports police called to the Civic Hall in Didcot (the Gdansk of Oxfordshire (c) Stephen Fry) after someone made a grab for the ballot papers!

    MI5 will just hire anyone these days, it seems
    Yes - totally amateurish job. Didn't even bring a helicopter.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,142
    Afternoon folks!
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 63,533
    kle4 said:

    GIN1138 said:

    kle4 said:

    GIN1138 said:

    GeoffM said:

    I'm experiencing a wobble. On my twitter feed many singers, musicians, TV personalities, writers, cartoonists, and one catastrophically overwrought TV cook are all breaking decisively for Labour. Surely PM Corbyn is nailed on?

    Every time I go into a polling station I first ask myself Who Would Lilly Allen Vote For?

    She is apparently a singer of some type, and therefore Knows Stuff.
    GIN1138 said:

    I'm experiencing a wobble. On my twitter feed many singers, musicians, TV personalities, writers, cartoonists, and one catastrophically overwrought TV cook are all breaking decisively for Labour. Surely PM Corbyn is nailed on?

    Who is the cook out of interest?
    Ruby Tandoh seems to be experiencing some distress. Worth a trip to twitter, from behind a welding mask, to have a look.
    Never heard of her but I'll have a look. ;)
    She's personally calling out TV chefs 'shaming' them for not speaking out

    lots of big names staying suspiciously silent today despite their entire fortune/following being built on a ~kind and inclusive~ ethos

    sorry but silence makes you a tory. if u think some ideological non-partisan thing is more valuable than getting a Labour govt in, get lost

    This is a parody account right?

    Could be for all I know. Funny though.
    Hilariously, her twitter says she lives in Essex (Ruby that is). I wonder which Tory safe seat she is stuck in?
  • One of my sources reports police called to the Civic Hall in Didcot (the Gdansk of Oxfordshire (c) Stephen Fry) after someone made a grab for the ballot papers!

    One of my sources reports police called to the Civic Hall in Didcot (the Gdansk of Oxfordshire (c) Stephen Fry) after someone made a grab for the ballot papers!

    MI5 will just hire anyone these days, it seems
    Yes - totally amateurish job. Didn't even bring a helicopter.
    Vaizey was in the area earlier... that's all I'm saying.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 120,345
    RobD said:

    Afternoon folks!

    Good morning Rob
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 63,533
    Annoyingly stuck in waiting for an Amazon delivery. I want to get out and vote. Let's hope they come before 10pm.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,439
    Can someone get hold of Mr Jack and tell him some of us are waiting to go out?

    *Tut*
  • JonCisBackJonCisBack Posts: 911
    My name is Jon and I am an electionaholic. Why am i so unreasonably excited about tonight??

    I have no enthusiasm for May - I will feel only relief at Corbyn not being elected

    But I am soooo looking forward to the results programme.

    I know I am amongst friends :-)
  • not_on_firenot_on_fire Posts: 4,449
    edited June 2017
    Looking forward to tonight - though hard to foresee any of the shocks that made GE2015, Brexit and Trump so profitable on Betfair. My main bet is on the LDs getting <10 seats
  • MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,736
    The Ben Page tweet worries me a bit.

    He's basically saying half of all voters will be over 55.

    Makes me wonder if they have overdone the turnout weighting.

    Average life expectancy in UK is 81. So:

    18 to 54 = 37 years
    55 to 81 = 26 years

    So average turnout must be 37/26 = 42% higher amongst over 55s - that's ratio, not absolute amount.

    Implies say:

    54% turnout amongst under 55s
    77% turnout amongst over 55s

    Is that realistic?
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 120,345
    The final Ipsos MORI poll gives Mrs May an 11% lead over Corbyn on most capable PM.

    In 2015 Cameron had a 15% lead over Miliband.

    #MayIsCrap
  • Two snippets.

    1. Had lunch with someone yesterday who had chatted with Mundell about SCON chances. Apparently, the view was that SCON had 6-7 gains in the bag and could get 10-12. That was before the debate.

    2. Met a friend of mine who is deep in with the Corbynista faction of the Labour party (e.g. her best friend is Chair of one of the Islington Labour Party seats. Asked her about she felt about today, expecting a "let's see how it goes". Instead, she turned round and said "it is going to an absolute disaster, you always have hopes but it will be terrible".

    Make of those what you want.
  • ParistondaParistonda Posts: 1,843
    Just voted - to use the old cliche turnout seemed brisk - considering it's the middle of the afternoon.

    First time voting for Labour, ironically the time when I have been least close to them as a party, but my seat is now a marginal so a LD vote would have been wasted, and I would like my local MP to win.
  • ChrisChris Posts: 11,783

    Annoyingly stuck in waiting for an Amazon delivery. I want to get out and vote. Let's hope they come before 10pm.

    Online shopping is so much more convenient, isn't it?
  • ab195ab195 Posts: 477
    Perusing twitter, it occurs to me that if Jeremy and his fan club are so adamant that the content of the Sun and the Mail today are lies, they should take them to court. I'd pay for a seat in that public gallery......
  • RhubarbRhubarb Posts: 359
    Merry Briskmas everyone.

    And may the odds be ever in your favour.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,142

    RobD said:

    Afternoon folks!

    Good morning Rob
    Nice avatar. :smiley:
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,726

    The final Ipsos MORI poll gives Mrs May an 11% lead over Corbyn on most capable PM.

    In 2015 Cameron had a 15% lead over Miliband.

    #MayIsCrap

    OTOH, he only had a 4% lead over Brown in 2010.

    There must be a link between best PM and voting intention, but it's not a clear one.
  • BromBrom Posts: 3,760

    The final Ipsos MORI poll gives Mrs May an 11% lead over Corbyn on most capable PM.

    In 2015 Cameron had a 15% lead over Miliband.

    #MayIsCrap

    Let's see who gets the most votes eh?
  • Carolus_RexCarolus_Rex Posts: 1,414

    My name is Jon and I am an electionaholic. Why am i so unreasonably excited about tonight??

    I have no enthusiasm for May - I will feel only relief at Corbyn not being elected

    But I am soooo looking forward to the results programme.

    I know I am amongst friends :-)

    Hi John!

    There's a new life for you if you want it... probably not on this site though!
  • TW1R64TW1R64 Posts: 56

    My name is Jon and I am an electionaholic. Why am i so unreasonably excited about tonight??

    I have no enthusiasm for May - I will feel only relief at Corbyn not being elected

    But I am soooo looking forward to the results programme.

    I know I am amongst friends :-)

    I know I couldn't sleep last night. So excited!

  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 63,533
    Chris said:

    Annoyingly stuck in waiting for an Amazon delivery. I want to get out and vote. Let's hope they come before 10pm.

    Online shopping is so much more convenient, isn't it?
    :lol:
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,726
    ab195 said:

    Perusing twitter, it occurs to me that if Jeremy and his fan club are so adamant that the content of the Sun and the Mail today are lies, they should take them to court. I'd pay for a seat in that public gallery......

    The editors must be delighted that left wingers are buying up every copy they can get their hands on.
  • BaskervilleBaskerville Posts: 391
    AHMatlock said:

    JohnO said:

    AHMatlock said:

    JohnO said:

    AHMatlock said:

    Cookie said:

    Bloody Hell, Alastair Matlock is back! As if my nerves weren't already shredded by last night's Reverse Herdson. Welcome back, Alastair!

    Many thanks, Cookie! Nothing like a General Election to stiffen the sinews, summon up the blood and raise old commenters like me from the dead.
    For our younger members here, His Grace The Duke of Beaconsfield was Leader of the (dominant) pb Conservative Group from 2005-8. I was honoured to serve as his loyal chief whip.
    My dear John - you are too kind! Sadly, I am still waiting for my peerage to come through... must have been held up in the scrutiny committee! I hope you are well? Commiserations on last year, though I am sure you are long since on to bigger and better things. Best of luck for today in your patch!
    Many thanks and having spent a year in the wilderness I was recalled to serve my beloved Hersham in its distress on May 4th by being elected as their Surrey County Councillor. I'll write to you tomorrow. Shortly out to rouse the good denizens of Kingston and Surbiton for their day of destiny at the polling station.

    Jolly Good! You know - I think I did know that, but my memory isn't what it used to be. I had the misfortune of spending the first half of May in hospital and was thus deprived of access to my usual sources of information. They finally had enough of me and gave me the boot. This evening's viewing should be much more comfortable!
    Ha, I've just spent the past two months recovering from 8 broken ribs sustained in a minor skiing fall. First time in a long while that I've been able to keep up with PB and make the occasional comment and sneaky link to my blog ( www.lifestuff.xyz ).
    Turnout during a couple of hours of telling in strong Tory ward in Wandsworth... high early voting, up about 50%, then levelling off to usual levels after 10am. No visible change in age range from 2016, 2015 or 2010 for that matter.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 61,249

    The final Ipsos MORI poll gives Mrs May an 11% lead over Corbyn on most capable PM.

    In 2015 Cameron had a 15% lead over Miliband.

    #MayIsCrap

    It's a shock that anyone thinks Corbyn is the most capable PM.
  • welshowlwelshowl Posts: 4,464
    MikeL said:

    The Ben Page tweet worries me a bit.

    He's basically saying half of all voters will be over 55.

    Makes me wonder if they have overdone the turnout weighting.

    Average life expectancy in UK is 81. So:

    18 to 54 = 37 years
    55 to 81 = 26 years

    So average turnout must be 37/26 = 42% higher amongst over 55s - that's ratio, not absolute amount.

    Implies say:

    54% turnout amongst under 55s
    77% turnout amongst over 55s

    Is that realistic?

    But how many are registered? Being alive is only half the battle you've got to be registered. In fact if you posted, being alive is less important on the actual day than being registered come to think of it.
  • Scrapheap_as_wasScrapheap_as_was Posts: 10,069

    The final Ipsos MORI poll gives Mrs May an 11% lead over Corbyn on most capable PM.

    In 2015 Cameron had a 15% lead over Miliband.

    #MayIsCrap

    what were the 18-24 scores for Miliband vs Corbyn this time out of interest?
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 63,533

    The final Ipsos MORI poll gives Mrs May an 11% lead over Corbyn on most capable PM.

    In 2015 Cameron had a 15% lead over Miliband.

    #MayIsCrap

    TMICIPM.

    To coin a phrase.
  • MikeL said:

    The Ben Page tweet worries me a bit.

    He's basically saying half of all voters will be over 55.

    Makes me wonder if they have overdone the turnout weighting.

    Average life expectancy in UK is 81. So:

    18 to 54 = 37 years
    55 to 81 = 26 years

    So average turnout must be 37/26 = 42% higher amongst over 55s - that's ratio, not absolute amount.

    Implies say:

    54% turnout amongst under 55s
    77% turnout amongst over 55s

    Is that realistic?

    2 things to bear in mind.

    1) A lot of young people aren't registered and EU immigrants who tend to be young aren't eligible
    2) the baby boom generation us larger than surrounding generations (hence the name)
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,546

    Annoyingly stuck in waiting for an Amazon delivery. I want to get out and vote. Let's hope they come before 10pm.

    If this time tomorrow it is PM Corbyn you won't have to worry about this kind of thing anymore. They deliveries will probably take a few days at least.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 120,345
    Sean_F said:

    The final Ipsos MORI poll gives Mrs May an 11% lead over Corbyn on most capable PM.

    In 2015 Cameron had a 15% lead over Miliband.

    #MayIsCrap

    OTOH, he only had a 4% lead over Brown in 2010.

    There must be a link between best PM and voting intention, but it's not a clear one.
    I think the link is going to be stronger if we truly are reverting back to two party politics.
  • TW1R64TW1R64 Posts: 56

    Chris said:

    Annoyingly stuck in waiting for an Amazon delivery. I want to get out and vote. Let's hope they come before 10pm.

    Online shopping is so much more convenient, isn't it?
    :lol:
    You should have them deliver it to your local PO and pick it up at your leisure :-)

  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207

    My name is Jon and I am an electionaholic. Why am i so unreasonably excited about tonight??

    I have no enthusiasm for May - I will feel only relief at Corbyn not being elected

    But I am soooo looking forward to the results programme.

    I know I am amongst friends :-)

    Yep - you are amongst friends.

    I have beers in and taken tomorrow off so I can stay up all night watching the results.

    Some days it's good to be a geek :-)
  • oldpoliticsoldpolitics Posts: 455
    MikeL said:

    The Ben Page tweet worries me a bit.

    He's basically saying half of all voters will be over 55.

    Makes me wonder if they have overdone the turnout weighting.

    Average life expectancy in UK is 81. So:

    18 to 54 = 37 years
    55 to 81 = 26 years

    So average turnout must be 37/26 = 42% higher amongst over 55s - that's ratio, not absolute amount.

    Implies say:

    54% turnout amongst under 55s
    77% turnout amongst over 55s

    Is that realistic?

    Seems like it has a fair chance of being bang on but I'm not absolutely sure your averaging of life expectancy quite works the way you think it does. Aren't you assuming that birth cohorts are constant across time, and that nobody dies aged 54 or under, there?
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207
    GIN1138 said:

    Can someone get hold of Mr Jack and tell him some of us are waiting to go out?

    *Tut*

    Oh god, perhaps he is revising it from 102 to.... 2
  • peterbusspeterbuss Posts: 109

    Sean_F said:

    The final Ipsos MORI poll gives Mrs May an 11% lead over Corbyn on most capable PM.

    In 2015 Cameron had a 15% lead over Miliband.

    #MayIsCrap

    OTOH, he only had a 4% lead over Brown in 2010.

    There must be a link between best PM and voting intention, but it's not a clear one.
    I think the link is going to be stronger if we truly are reverting back to two party politics.
    Not an infallible link though. Maggie was behind Callaghan on best PM ratings in 79 but of course famously won.
  • Carolus_RexCarolus_Rex Posts: 1,414
    welshowl said:

    MikeL said:

    The Ben Page tweet worries me a bit.

    He's basically saying half of all voters will be over 55.

    Makes me wonder if they have overdone the turnout weighting.

    Average life expectancy in UK is 81. So:

    18 to 54 = 37 years
    55 to 81 = 26 years

    So average turnout must be 37/26 = 42% higher amongst over 55s - that's ratio, not absolute amount.

    Implies say:

    54% turnout amongst under 55s
    77% turnout amongst over 55s

    Is that realistic?

    But how many are registered? Being alive is only half the battle you've got to be registered. In fact if you posted, being alive is less important on the actual day than being registered come to think of it.
    You know, I've never thought of that - does a postal vote count if you're dead?

    Then again, how would they know?

    And for that matter - what happens if you put your cross in the box on the day and drop dead between the polling booth and the ballot box?

    I know I should get out more.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,546

    MikeL said:

    The Ben Page tweet worries me a bit.

    He's basically saying half of all voters will be over 55.

    Makes me wonder if they have overdone the turnout weighting.

    Average life expectancy in UK is 81. So:

    18 to 54 = 37 years
    55 to 81 = 26 years

    So average turnout must be 37/26 = 42% higher amongst over 55s - that's ratio, not absolute amount.

    Implies say:

    54% turnout amongst under 55s
    77% turnout amongst over 55s

    Is that realistic?

    2 things to bear in mind.

    1) A lot of young people aren't registered and EU immigrants who tend to be young aren't eligible
    2) the baby boom generation us larger than surrounding generations (hence the name)
    77% for over 55s. Wasn't it above that for EU referendum among oldies?
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 120,345

    The final Ipsos MORI poll gives Mrs May an 11% lead over Corbyn on most capable PM.

    In 2015 Cameron had a 15% lead over Miliband.

    #MayIsCrap

    what were the 18-24 scores for Miliband vs Corbyn this time out of interest?
    Don't know, they've redesigned their website. plus I'm on my phone, so can't zoom in properly.
  • The final Ipsos MORI poll gives Mrs May an 11% lead over Corbyn on most capable PM.

    In 2015 Cameron had a 15% lead over Miliband.

    #MayIsCrap

    Particularly striking since it was May's choice to make it Presidential precisely because there was such confidence she'd muller Corbyn on that metric in a total walkover.

    She might well yet pull a huge win out of the bag, and it'll all be forgotten. A more modest one and it will be a bitter kind of victory that diminishes her badly. In the midst of life we are in death.
  • Carolus_RexCarolus_Rex Posts: 1,414
    Floater said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Can someone get hold of Mr Jack and tell him some of us are waiting to go out?

    *Tut*

    Oh god, perhaps he is revising it from 102 to.... 2
    Or then again he could be reversing the digits!
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,142

    welshowl said:

    MikeL said:

    The Ben Page tweet worries me a bit.

    He's basically saying half of all voters will be over 55.

    Makes me wonder if they have overdone the turnout weighting.

    Average life expectancy in UK is 81. So:

    18 to 54 = 37 years
    55 to 81 = 26 years

    So average turnout must be 37/26 = 42% higher amongst over 55s - that's ratio, not absolute amount.

    Implies say:

    54% turnout amongst under 55s
    77% turnout amongst over 55s

    Is that realistic?

    But how many are registered? Being alive is only half the battle you've got to be registered. In fact if you posted, being alive is less important on the actual day than being registered come to think of it.
    You know, I've never thought of that - does a postal vote count if you're dead?

    Then again, how would they know?

    And for that matter - what happens if you put your cross in the box on the day and drop dead between the polling booth and the ballot box?

    I know I should get out more.
    I think postal ballots count. Not sure about dying while you are walking to the ballot box with a completed ballot paper. I wonder if that has ever happened?
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    Since we're among friends...

    My other half is recovering very well at present. He decided that he wanted to go back to Northern Ireland for a couple of weeks (for personal and business reasons). He chose today as the day when he wanted to travel and explained that no, he didn't have much flexibility about this.

    As a result, I shall be on a ferry across the North Sea tonight while the election results unfold. The wifi is iffy and in any case my cabin mate won't take kindly to an illuminated iPad.

    So I'll be missing all the fun.
  • rural_voterrural_voter Posts: 2,038

    PaulM said:

    Since everyone else is putting up picks here's mine
    Con 354
    Lab 221
    LD 7
    Plaid 5
    SNP 41
    Majority 58

    I've been more bullish on Labour from the start as I never bought the idea that exLabour UKIPers in the North would vote Tory (as OGH said on the podcast). Just sorry I was in the USA when the 156 was available on the spreads for Labour seats.

    Here's mine:

    Conservative 403
    Labour 160
    Scottish National 50
    Liberal Democrat 10
    Democratic Unionist 8
    Independent 4
    Sinn Féin 4
    Plaid Cymru 3
    SDLP 3
    Ulster Unionist Party 2
    UKIP 1
    Green 1

    As you can see, I am well into landslide territory.

    Getting a bit nervous about all these young people turning up and buggering this up though.
    I don't think you need to be! I wish you did have cause for doubt as I hate Tory One-Party States.

    My non-constituency betting is now biassed pro-TM=PM and pro-Tory majority with small amounts on landslide majorities.

    Slightly more Labour than Tory constituency bets. I bet on Skinner holding Bolsover @1.29 which seemed silly odds and is now back to ~1.1

    http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/2015guide/labour-defence/

    I bet on Hampstead at 5.0 and may cover the bet, given yesterday's report that 'it's tight'. How tight?

    A few SNP and LibDem, these based mostly on tips from PBers, for which my thanks.
  • PatrickPatrick Posts: 225

    The final Ipsos MORI poll gives Mrs May an 11% lead over Corbyn on most capable PM.

    In 2015 Cameron had a 15% lead over Miliband.

    #MayIsCrap

    It's a shock that anyone thinks Corbyn is the most capable PM.
    I think they project. I like jam = I like Jezza. All the Labour enthusiasm and it's stupidity comes from the jam hose that Jezza says he'll spray at us.
  • Carolus_RexCarolus_Rex Posts: 1,414
    RobD said:

    welshowl said:

    MikeL said:

    The Ben Page tweet worries me a bit.

    He's basically saying half of all voters will be over 55.

    Makes me wonder if they have overdone the turnout weighting.

    Average life expectancy in UK is 81. So:

    18 to 54 = 37 years
    55 to 81 = 26 years

    So average turnout must be 37/26 = 42% higher amongst over 55s - that's ratio, not absolute amount.

    Implies say:

    54% turnout amongst under 55s
    77% turnout amongst over 55s

    Is that realistic?

    But how many are registered? Being alive is only half the battle you've got to be registered. In fact if you posted, being alive is less important on the actual day than being registered come to think of it.
    You know, I've never thought of that - does a postal vote count if you're dead?

    Then again, how would they know?

    And for that matter - what happens if you put your cross in the box on the day and drop dead between the polling booth and the ballot box?

    I know I should get out more.
    I think postal ballots count. Not sure about dying while you are walking to the ballot box with a completed ballot paper. I wonder if that has ever happened?
    The state some Tory PBers have got themselves into of late I wouldn't be at all surprised!
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,142

    Since we're among friends...

    My other half is recovering very well at present. He decided that he wanted to go back to Northern Ireland for a couple of weeks (for personal and business reasons). He chose today as the day when he wanted to travel and explained that no, he didn't have much flexibility about this.

    As a result, I shall be on a ferry across the North Sea tonight while the election results unfold. The wifi is iffy and in any case my cabin mate won't take kindly to an illuminated iPad.

    So I'll be missing all the fun.

    You have my sympathies. :D
  • glwglw Posts: 10,005
    Sean_F said:

    ab195 said:

    Perusing twitter, it occurs to me that if Jeremy and his fan club are so adamant that the content of the Sun and the Mail today are lies, they should take them to court. I'd pay for a seat in that public gallery......

    The editors must be delighted that left wingers are buying up every copy they can get their hands on.
    Also helpfully telling their 90k followers, plus all the retweeters, that "the Sun and Mail say something controversial about Corbyn today".
  • ab195ab195 Posts: 477
    Sean_F said:

    ab195 said:

    Perusing twitter, it occurs to me that if Jeremy and his fan club are so adamant that the content of the Sun and the Mail today are lies, they should take them to court. I'd pay for a seat in that public gallery......

    The editors must be delighted that left wingers are buying up every copy they can get their hands on.
    I award them very low marks for strategic thinking:

    "It would be really bad if this was widely read, so I'll line the pockets of the publisher by buying up the physical copies, then I'll film myself burning it so it trends on twitter and folk go to the papers' websites to see what the fuss is all absolute".

    I wouldn't employ them.
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 21,764
    Patrick said:

    The final Ipsos MORI poll gives Mrs May an 11% lead over Corbyn on most capable PM.

    In 2015 Cameron had a 15% lead over Miliband.

    #MayIsCrap

    It's a shock that anyone thinks Corbyn is the most capable PM.
    I think they project. I like jam = I like Jezza. All the Labour enthusiasm and it's stupidity comes from the jam hose that Jezza says he'll spray at us.
    Corbyn has been more impressive than May during the campaign. More gravitas and a better communicator. It's not a surprise to me that people think he would make a better PM at all. She is bad.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 63,533

    Since we're among friends...

    My other half is recovering very well at present. He decided that he wanted to go back to Northern Ireland for a couple of weeks (for personal and business reasons). He chose today as the day when he wanted to travel and explained that no, he didn't have much flexibility about this.

    As a result, I shall be on a ferry across the North Sea tonight while the election results unfold. The wifi is iffy and in any case my cabin mate won't take kindly to an illuminated iPad.

    So I'll be missing all the fun.

    Oh dear, that is bad luck. Family come first obviously, but blimey...
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 64,106

    Since we're among friends...

    My other half is recovering very well at present. He decided that he wanted to go back to Northern Ireland for a couple of weeks (for personal and business reasons). He chose today as the day when he wanted to travel and explained that no, he didn't have much flexibility about this.

    As a result, I shall be on a ferry across the North Sea tonight while the election results unfold. The wifi is iffy and in any case my cabin mate won't take kindly to an illuminated iPad.

    So I'll be missing all the fun.

    Well if you are going to Northern Ireland via the North Sea you may be aboard longer than you think
  • MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,736

    MikeL said:

    The Ben Page tweet worries me a bit.

    He's basically saying half of all voters will be over 55.

    Makes me wonder if they have overdone the turnout weighting.

    Average life expectancy in UK is 81. So:

    18 to 54 = 37 years
    55 to 81 = 26 years

    So average turnout must be 37/26 = 42% higher amongst over 55s - that's ratio, not absolute amount.

    Implies say:

    54% turnout amongst under 55s
    77% turnout amongst over 55s

    Is that realistic?

    Seems like it has a fair chance of being bang on but I'm not absolutely sure your averaging of life expectancy quite works the way you think it does. Aren't you assuming that birth cohorts are constant across time, and that nobody dies aged 54 or under, there?
    Yes - you're quite right on both points.

    I just thought it was a reasonable broad brush calculation - I wouldn't have thought your points would make a substantial difference to the result.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 63,533
    Patrick said:

    The final Ipsos MORI poll gives Mrs May an 11% lead over Corbyn on most capable PM.

    In 2015 Cameron had a 15% lead over Miliband.

    #MayIsCrap

    It's a shock that anyone thinks Corbyn is the most capable PM.
    I think they project. I like jam = I like Jezza. All the Labour enthusiasm and it's stupidity comes from the jam hose that Jezza says he'll spray at us.
    And his supporters don't get that the jam is going to be provided by those nasty shareholders who own large PLCs.

    Who are in fact them - via their Pension Funds.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,830
    edited June 2017

    Since we're among friends...

    My other half is recovering very well at present. He decided that he wanted to go back to Northern Ireland for a couple of weeks (for personal and business reasons). He chose today as the day when he wanted to travel and explained that no, he didn't have much flexibility about this.

    As a result, I shall be on a ferry across the North Sea tonight while the election results unfold. The wifi is iffy and in any case my cabin mate won't take kindly to an illuminated iPad.

    So I'll be missing all the fun.

    All about the main priorities - you can share your take at a later time no doubt. At the least you'll be able to catch the repeat!
  • Just voted - to use the old cliche turnout seemed brisk - considering it's the middle of the afternoon.

    First time voting for Labour, ironically the time when I have been least close to them as a party, but my seat is now a marginal so a LD vote would have been wasted, and I would like my local MP to win.

    By definition your local MP will win...
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340

    Since we're among friends...

    My other half is recovering very well at present. He decided that he wanted to go back to Northern Ireland for a couple of weeks (for personal and business reasons). He chose today as the day when he wanted to travel and explained that no, he didn't have much flexibility about this.

    As a result, I shall be on a ferry across the North Sea tonight while the election results unfold. The wifi is iffy and in any case my cabin mate won't take kindly to an illuminated iPad.

    So I'll be missing all the fun.

    Well if you are going to Northern Ireland via the North Sea you may be aboard longer than you think
    Good point! Too many "norths" on the brain. Since it's operating so badly, just as well I'm missing the fun.
  • The_TaxmanThe_Taxman Posts: 2,979
    I live in the most Labour part of what is normally considered a 'safe' Labour seat. I went to vote and I did a horrible thing, on the way in a Labour teller asked for my polling card number. I think I burst her bubble, I said "sorry, you cannot have my polling card number as I want nothing to do with a Labour party headed by Corbyn". She looked dejected, like she had listened to comments like that before. Anyway in the most Labour area, only one other person was voting in their at that time.

    This is in contrast to another area in the same seat where I was acting as a proxy voter for a family member. The area where the second polling station is situated can be described as much more competitive and inclined for the Conservatives. In this polling station I had to queue. It might just be coincidental and completely non-reflective of what will happen but Labour could be in trouble.

    I am not going to name the seat but it would be Tory target 100+ off Labour and Labour have spent a lot of money on mailshots delivered by Royal Mail in the last two weeks. They have targeted social housing and owner occupier housing in equal measure. The point is if Labour are using their resources on this type of seat the Tories are in for a good night and re-election IMO. The parliamentary constituency is thought to have voted Remain in 2016, UKIP are not standing this time though which might explain the Labour activity.
  • marke09marke09 Posts: 926
    Ceredigion Labour wrote a letter to locla newspaper this week saying the reason there are few Labour placards around is that they do not get the support of large land owners (farmers to you and me) nor do they have large donations to spend (unlike Plaid and the LIb Dems?) Also very expensive . Could it also be that no one supports them
  • TW1R64TW1R64 Posts: 56

    Since we're among friends...

    My other half is recovering very well at present. He decided that he wanted to go back to Northern Ireland for a couple of weeks (for personal and business reasons). He chose today as the day when he wanted to travel and explained that no, he didn't have much flexibility about this.

    As a result, I shall be on a ferry across the North Sea tonight while the election results unfold. The wifi is iffy and in any case my cabin mate won't take kindly to an illuminated iPad.

    So I'll be missing all the fun.

    Oh dear, that is bad luck. Family come first obviously, but blimey...
    I really do feel for you. Not sure I could cope with that.
    What about listening to the radio with headphones.

  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,726

    Has anyone worked out what Martin Boon was playing at last night?

    As I said, there's a special place in hell for poll rampers.
  • ParistondaParistonda Posts: 1,843

    Just voted - to use the old cliche turnout seemed brisk - considering it's the middle of the afternoon.

    First time voting for Labour, ironically the time when I have been least close to them as a party, but my seat is now a marginal so a LD vote would have been wasted, and I would like my local MP to win.

    By definition your local MP will win...
    Note to self: Never leave even the slightest opening for a pedantic comment on PB!
  • AndrewAndrew Posts: 2,900


    I have no enthusiasm for May - I will feel only relief at Corbyn not being elected

    But I am soooo looking forward to the results programme.


    The above probably fit 50% of PB population (me included).
  • SimonStClareSimonStClare Posts: 7,976

    Since we're among friends...

    My other half is recovering very well at present. He decided that he wanted to go back to Northern Ireland for a couple of weeks (for personal and business reasons). He chose today as the day when he wanted to travel and explained that no, he didn't have much flexibility about this.

    As a result, I shall be on a ferry across the North Sea tonight while the election results unfold. The wifi is iffy and in any case my cabin mate won't take kindly to an illuminated iPad.

    So I'll be missing all the fun.

    Safe journey Mr Meeks, you'll have something to look forward to when you step off the ferry.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,830

    Since we're among friends...

    My other half is recovering very well at present. He decided that he wanted to go back to Northern Ireland for a couple of weeks (for personal and business reasons). He chose today as the day when he wanted to travel and explained that no, he didn't have much flexibility about this.

    As a result, I shall be on a ferry across the North Sea tonight while the election results unfold. The wifi is iffy and in any case my cabin mate won't take kindly to an illuminated iPad.

    So I'll be missing all the fun.

    Safe journey Mr Meeks, you'll have something to look forward to when you step off the ferry.
    Yes indeed - Northern Ireland.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 43,927
    I have a slight issue with tonight. I need to stay awake in the dead hours between the exit poll and the first few results, and the main glut from two onwards.

    Unfortunately, as my wife will be in the bedroom next door, and my toddler in the room above, I cannot make too much noise. So along with the whisky and popcorn, I've decided to continue on a paper-and-card model of a Saturn V I started a few months ago. It's all printed out ready to go, although I expect the gluing and cutting to get somewhat worse as the whisky somehow magically disappears from the bottle. ;)

    How will everyone else be spending those hours?

    (It's because I really want one of these : https://shop.lego.com/en-GB/LEGO-NASA-Apollo-Saturn-V-21309 )
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    Sean_F said:


    Has anyone worked out what Martin Boon was playing at last night?

    As I said, there's a special place in hell for poll rampers.

    I thought the Kaboom was for YouGov's reverse ferret.

    The second Kaboom might have referred to BMG.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 64,106

    Since we're among friends...

    My other half is recovering very well at present. He decided that he wanted to go back to Northern Ireland for a couple of weeks (for personal and business reasons). He chose today as the day when he wanted to travel and explained that no, he didn't have much flexibility about this.

    As a result, I shall be on a ferry across the North Sea tonight while the election results unfold. The wifi is iffy and in any case my cabin mate won't take kindly to an illuminated iPad.

    So I'll be missing all the fun.

    Well if you are going to Northern Ireland via the North Sea you may be aboard longer than you think
    Good point! Too many "norths" on the brain. Since it's operating so badly, just as well I'm missing the fun.
    All the best to the two of you as you sail over the Irish Sea which I can see as I type this
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    Jonathan said:

    Patrick said:

    The final Ipsos MORI poll gives Mrs May an 11% lead over Corbyn on most capable PM.

    In 2015 Cameron had a 15% lead over Miliband.

    #MayIsCrap

    It's a shock that anyone thinks Corbyn is the most capable PM.
    I think they project. I like jam = I like Jezza. All the Labour enthusiasm and it's stupidity comes from the jam hose that Jezza says he'll spray at us.
    Corbyn has been more impressive than May during the campaign. More gravitas and a better communicator. It's not a surprise to me that people think he would make a better PM at all. She is bad.
    "been more impressive" is completely subjective and irrelevant come 10pm.

  • Sean_F said:


    Has anyone worked out what Martin Boon was playing at last night?

    As I said, there's a special place in hell for poll rampers.

    My take was that one of his Kabooms was the swingback by YouGov, and the other was a rumour of Labour 3pts ahead in a poll, which others had also heard and which he later recanted. Whole thing was a bit silly if you ask me.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 63,533
    TW1R64 said:

    Chris said:

    Annoyingly stuck in waiting for an Amazon delivery. I want to get out and vote. Let's hope they come before 10pm.

    Online shopping is so much more convenient, isn't it?
    :lol:
    You should have them deliver it to your local PO and pick it up at your leisure :-)

    I am mainly at home as I am a carer with a bit of part-time work, so not an issue usually.

    I had engineered the delivery for Saturday (tomorrow I will be too hungover and/or depressed to open the door).

    Amazon must be quiet in the spending lull before the election because the stuff is arriving 2 days early.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,830

    Sean_F said:


    Has anyone worked out what Martin Boon was playing at last night?

    As I said, there's a special place in hell for poll rampers.

    I thought the Kaboom was for YouGov's reverse ferret.

    The second Kaboom might have referred to BMG.
    TSE was saying it was likely relating to a poll with a 3% Lab lead which was debunked? Although that Qriously thing was referenced in the last header.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 120,345
    edited June 2017
    Sean_F said:


    Has anyone worked out what Martin Boon was playing at last night?

    As I said, there's a special place in hell for poll rampers.

    Kaboom 1 - The YouGov reverse ferret

    Kaboom 2 - There was rumours of a poll with Labour ahead by 3% with a BPC pollster.

    Turned out be a garbage poll by Qriously
  • SlackbladderSlackbladder Posts: 9,786
    Guido Fawkes‏V @GuidoFawkes
    Hearing Labour fears that their vote is not coming out. #CorbynEffect
  • AndreaParma_82AndreaParma_82 Posts: 4,714
    David Miliband is touring London marginals. Now he's in Harrow West.

  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,439
    edited June 2017

    Since we're among friends...

    My other half is recovering very well at present. He decided that he wanted to go back to Northern Ireland for a couple of weeks (for personal and business reasons). He chose today as the day when he wanted to travel and explained that no, he didn't have much flexibility about this.

    As a result, I shall be on a ferry across the North Sea tonight while the election results unfold. The wifi is iffy and in any case my cabin mate won't take kindly to an illuminated iPad.

    So I'll be missing all the fun.

    Great to hear he is making good progress.

    How mean of him to interrupt your election night fun though... ;)
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 120,345

    Since we're among friends...

    My other half is recovering very well at present. He decided that he wanted to go back to Northern Ireland for a couple of weeks (for personal and business reasons). He chose today as the day when he wanted to travel and explained that no, he didn't have much flexibility about this.

    As a result, I shall be on a ferry across the North Sea tonight while the election results unfold. The wifi is iffy and in any case my cabin mate won't take kindly to an illuminated iPad.

    So I'll be missing all the fun.

    Safe journey, I'm sure it'll be a quiet night on the political front.
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 21,764
    edited June 2017
    TGOHF said:

    Jonathan said:

    Patrick said:

    The final Ipsos MORI poll gives Mrs May an 11% lead over Corbyn on most capable PM.

    In 2015 Cameron had a 15% lead over Miliband.

    #MayIsCrap

    It's a shock that anyone thinks Corbyn is the most capable PM.
    I think they project. I like jam = I like Jezza. All the Labour enthusiasm and it's stupidity comes from the jam hose that Jezza says he'll spray at us.
    Corbyn has been more impressive than May during the campaign. More gravitas and a better communicator. It's not a surprise to me that people think he would make a better PM at all. She is bad.
    "been more impressive" is completely subjective and irrelevant come 10pm.

    Eh? All we're talking about is subjective opinions represented in polls.

    But you're right, when she gets her expected landslide for five years, she will still be rubbish and we will all still be in the shit.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 61,249
    Sean_F said:


    Has anyone worked out what Martin Boon was playing at last night?

    As I said, there's a special place in hell for poll rampers.

    Being an attention-seeking whore.

    There will be others in the final hour of voting tonight.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    Ishmael_Z said:

    So BBC or Sky at 10 pm? (Bearing in mind I am in love with Sophy Ridge).

    ITV

    Only place you can get #OsBalls
  • AndrewAndrew Posts: 2,900
    TGOHF said:


    "been more impressive" is completely subjective and irrelevant come 10pm.

    I wonder how impressive he'll seem if, as seems likely, he gets fewer seats than Michael Foot.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 63,533

    I have a slight issue with tonight. I need to stay awake in the dead hours between the exit poll and the first few results, and the main glut from two onwards.

    Unfortunately, as my wife will be in the bedroom next door, and my toddler in the room above, I cannot make too much noise. So along with the whisky and popcorn, I've decided to continue on a paper-and-card model of a Saturn V I started a few months ago. It's all printed out ready to go, although I expect the gluing and cutting to get somewhat worse as the whisky somehow magically disappears from the bottle. ;)

    How will everyone else be spending those hours?

    (It's because I really want one of these : https://shop.lego.com/en-GB/LEGO-NASA-Apollo-Saturn-V-21309 )

    If you bet correctly tonight you might be able to buy one!
  • jonny83jonny83 Posts: 1,270

    Guido Fawkes‏V @GuidoFawkes
    Hearing Labour fears that their vote is not coming out. #CorbynEffect

    Still early, plenty of time for the youth tsunami to turn up.
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