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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,941
    SeanT said:

    HaroldO said:

    SeanT said:

    HaroldO said:

    SeanT said:

    SeanT said:

    SeanT said:

    AndyJS said:

    Surely the best GE Bee Gees song is:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZY9oYSSjFI

    I once listened to this song about 50 times in a row, without a break. It's that good.
    Gosh, that is very good. I'd quite forgotten it.

    I reckon pop song writing is (ahem) a bit like thriller writing. People sneer at it (especially if it is popular) because it appears cheap and ubiquitous - sold in supermarkets like detergent. In reality, it is very difficult and few can do it well, hence the huge rewards if you get it right - as the Bee Gees clearly did.

    Here's another forsaken classic. In my mind the greatest song about male lovesickness and romantic rejection ever written

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jpR8r0D2EyY

    "I'd pay the devil to replace her"

    GENIUS
    I love Hall and Oates.
    Also the subject of a magnificent Big Train sketch:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zh5f-_I1df4
    I miss Big Train.
    It was the greatest comedy sketch show of all time. Oddly neglected. So brilliantly imaginative

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P0TZxFQaXkc
    The staring contest's were my personal favourite.
    Also Darth Vader hoovering. And the wanking thing. And the rediscovered mother. And this, possibly the greatest sketch of all time in any form, the Working Classes via Hitchcock

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WLToN2pjik8
    I have always found this funny and I have no idea why;

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fCPhkxskRVs
    Funniest show ever. Not sure why it is overlooked.
    Indeed, I'm nearly 40 and swear I've never seen any of this before tonight. :open_mouth:
    Very funny though.
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    kjohnwkjohnw Posts: 1,456
    nichomar said:

    Unconfirmed report that 1000's of PVs gone missing in the SW of England (as has mine and my daughters boyfriens) councils asking for people to report it to eliminate the possibility of fraud. Whilst mine is in yeovil major concern is Plymouth. As I said unconfirmed source seeking confirmation. They need to know to check if the vote has been used in the event of a challenge to the result and was not submitted by the person entitled, but difficult to do as you would have to forge a signature, more likely a problem in the postal distribution system.

    worrying
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    NigelbNigelb Posts: 62,792
    HaroldO said:

    Awww Peter Sallis. Aside from Wallace he was also good in the original Ice Warriors story in Doctor Who with Patrick Troughton.
    I remember he best in Last of the Summer Wine, the show itself was awful but I used to watch it when I was a lad with my grandparents. Cocoa and Cleggy.

    Some here will be pleased to learn he once played Samuel Pepys - though I can think of only one of us who might be old enough to have seen it...
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    TravelJunkieTravelJunkie Posts: 431
    So authorities knew of the terrorists.

    Serious questions how someone with extremist views were allowed to conduct these attacks.
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    camelcamel Posts: 815

    BBC news turnoff every tory voter.

    I just know that, for your 200th post, you will produce a balanced, insightful synopsis of the campaign so far which will be quoted for years to come by politicos and punters alike and, indeed, might be a source text for the 2018 Politics AS Level syllabus.

    I await your Magnus Opus. Just 5 more of your warm up posts.
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    jonny83jonny83 Posts: 1,261
    edited June 2017

    Pretty uncomfortable 30 minutes for Sturgeon.

    I think at the moment independence isn't seen as a priority right now so they are focusing on the SNP record and there are things to complain about and so she is struggling a bit. Much easier when you don't have a record to defend.
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    DougieDougie Posts: 57
    edited June 2017
    Scott_P said:
    SNP high command must be worried about their ex Labour voters. Which does imply that things are developing not necessarily to their advantage in the West Central Belt (although they're still going to win most of it).

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    PongPong Posts: 4,693
    Has anyone come across decent analysis+background of the qatar situ?

    My goto - the (usually excellent) international crisis group reports - don't cover it.

    It's an Iran/Saudi proxy thing, right?
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    QuincelQuincel Posts: 3,949
    kle4 said:

    I see the actor Mark Ruffalo, not even a Brit, has endorsed Corbyn

    Because @jeremycorbyn offers people an alternative to the Corporate status quo, which never ends well for them, I humbly endorse Corbyn.

    I really like him as an actor, but that is such a twatty way of putting an endorsement, and there are no shortage of examples. 'Humbly' endorse, my arse. And no, celebs going 'anyone who votes for Corbyn is a fool' would not be much better, but at least is less twatty.

    Mark Ruffalo is quite the conspiracy theorist, if memory serves. 9/11 truther and so on. The wording of his endorsement makes me worry he doesn't so much support Corbyn as think he's the only leader not working for the illuminati.

    Great actor though, no denying. The thinking man's Tom Cruise.
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    GideonWiseGideonWise Posts: 1,123
    Just watched QT. Thoughts:

    Sturgeon got a bit of a turning over. She looked angry at the end and walked off the stage before the credits had finished. Her plummeting popularity was very clear to see in this audience.

    Nick Robinson is a fantastic chair. Sharp and forensic. But he was also polite rather than aggressive. Would be a good long-term replacement for Dimbleby.
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    RoyalBlueRoyalBlue Posts: 3,223
    edited June 2017

    BBC news turnoff every tory voter.

    What do you think your astroturfing here will achieve?

    If you're looking to earn extra money, why not go on Taskrabbit, or sign up with Uber?
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    camelcamel Posts: 815
    Sandpit said:

    SeanT said:

    HaroldO said:

    SeanT said:

    HaroldO said:

    SeanT said:

    SeanT said:

    SeanT said:

    AndyJS said:

    Surely the best GE Bee Gees song is:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZY9oYSSjFI

    I once listened to this song about 50 times in a row, without a break. It's that good.
    Gosh, that is very good. I'd quite forgotten it.

    I reckon pop song writing is (ahem) a bit like thriller writing. People sneer at it (especially if it is popular) because it appears cheap and ubiquitous - sold in supermarkets like detergent. In reality, it is very difficult and few can do it well, hence the huge rewards if you get it right - as the Bee Gees clearly did.

    Here's another forsaken classic. In my mind the greatest song about male lovesickness and romantic rejection ever written

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jpR8r0D2EyY

    "I'd pay the devil to replace her"

    GENIUS
    I love Hall and Oates.
    Also the subject of a magnificent Big Train sketch:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zh5f-_I1df4
    I miss Big Train.
    It was the greatest comedy sketch show of all time. Oddly neglected. So brilliantly imaginative

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P0TZxFQaXkc
    The staring contest's were my personal favourite.
    Also Darth Vader hoovering. And the wanking thing. And the rediscovered mother. And this, possibly the greatest sketch of all time in any form, the Working Classes via Hitchcock

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WLToN2pjik8
    I have always found this funny and I have no idea why;

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fCPhkxskRVs
    Funniest show ever. Not sure why it is overlooked.
    Indeed, I'm nearly 40 and swear I've never seen any of this before tonight. :open_mouth:
    Very funny though.
    When the history of 1990s and early C21st comedy is written, I genuinely hope a chapter is dedicated to the wonderful, yet never a household-name, Kevin Eldon.
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,563
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    BigIanBigIan Posts: 198

    kquote>

    Karen carpenter has the best voice of all time for me.

    It was amazing.

    Annie Lennox (when with the Eurythmics) and Stevie Nicks (when in her pomp) are particular favorite female voices I really enjoy listening to.

    All good choices, but - Aretha.
    That is all.



    Sandy Denny

    +1 for Sandy Denny.
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    The_ApocalypseThe_Apocalypse Posts: 7,830
    I love Mark Ruffalo, but when it comes to that tweet he sounds like one of the Sanders fans who bang on about 'corporate Dems.'

    Danny Devito has also endorsed Corbyn.

    Of all the celebrities who have declared their political affiliations, none is more annoying that Susan Sarandon.
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    GideonWiseGideonWise Posts: 1,123

    So authorities knew of the terrorists.

    Serious questions how someone with extremist views were allowed to conduct these attacks.

    Are you in favour of internment then?
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    alex.alex. Posts: 4,658
    Subject to the outcome proving me silly I think that ultimately this election has always been the Brexit election. That the campaign has barely mentioned it is irrelevant. A materially signifant proportion of the electorate decided on day 1 that the route to Brexit lay through voting Conservative and giving May a sufficient majority and and no point have they wavered from that point of view. Whatever the ups (and largely downs) of the campaign they have not changed their mind on this fundamental point. This also explains why, despite the theoretical turmoil in the polls, the Tory vote has remained almost rock solid throughout. May has "thrown away" a 20+ lead and yet this is almost all churn amongst the anti-Tory vote. That Corbyn is unelectable, indeed scary, for the Tory remain vote is what has sealed the deal. It is only the "non voters" that might save him and if they, er, don't vote...
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    kjohnwkjohnw Posts: 1,456
    nichomar said:

    Unconfirmed report that 1000's of PVs gone missing in the SW of England (as has mine and my daughters boyfriens) councils asking for people to report it to eliminate the possibility of fraud. Whilst mine is in yeovil major concern is Plymouth. As I said unconfirmed source seeking confirmation. They need to know to check if the vote has been used in the event of a challenge to the result and was not submitted by the person entitled, but difficult to do as you would have to forge a signature, more likely a problem in the postal distribution system.

    not the first time
    http://m.plymouthherald.co.uk/council-sure-missing-postal-votes/story-11457547-detail/story.html
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    Ave_itAve_it Posts: 2,411
    48-23?! Got excited there until I read it properly! :lol:
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    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 50,137
    kingbongo said:

    All this talk of Buckley and Powell makes me nostalgic for Brian Walden and Weekend world - we criticise pols for being shadows of former years' but nobody today even the sainted A Neill can do the job that Walden used to - as for politicians Powell and Foot sparring over opinion polls and the EC makes me embarrassed for our current crop

    It also had a fine theme tune - Nantucket Sleighride by Mountain. (Although the Nantucket Sleighride itself is rather unsavoury - refers to when you harpooned a whale and your vessel was dragged by it...urgh!)
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    nichomarnichomar Posts: 7,483
    kle4 said:

    Sorry to interrupt, anyone know where the politics forum has gone?

    People are taking a break in order to have the partisan energy to go into the last days of the GE- like politicians being up for 2 days straight, you need to prepare for a marathon session like that.

    Me, I'm listening to some Simon and Garfunkel - very relaxing.
    Quite true and a refreshing change from posting from a party viewpoint, it does though show the generational divide. Where are the early twenty something's that grew up on busted or the 75+'who haven't moved on since nat king cole?
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,534
    Jonathan said:

    isam said:

    @SeanT

    By the way, here is more Enoch & Buckley. No talk of immigration here, just a beautiful deconstruction of the prices and incomes policy, the perils of socialism and the moral conundrum of standing for parliament when you don't agree with the party line

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Es0YGdROxVE

    What I love about this is there is *no* embellishing: it's just one hour of very serious conversation, with a proper interviewer asking penetrating questions.

    Nothing else.

    In modern times, the interviewer would only be interested in forcing a gaffe, embarrassing the subject, or outing them as a bigot. The politician would want to avoid the questions, and get their soundbites across.

    Depressing.
    If you like Buckley, I recommend best of enemies on Netflix. Good fun seeing him spar with Gore Vidal.
    Cheers.
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    TravelJunkieTravelJunkie Posts: 431
    10 minutes BBC news reveal that they released one of the attackers without charge.

    Imagine the Tory nationalists if this was done under labour government.

    3 attacks under mays was not enough eyes and ears all to fund tax cuts for the rich
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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @RuthDavidsonMSP: So, how many #bbcqt audience members do we reckon are married to Tory councillors tonight?
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,991
    Yes, probably. Simple, easy to understand and sell to the public as policies go, whether or not they would have helped in these cases or not.
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    Torby_FennelTorby_Fennel Posts: 438
    HaroldO said:



    I like most of it, just her in it ruins a good few scenes. And Adric of course.

    Wait, why do I like it again?

    Because Adric goes... ;)

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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,534
    I really have better things to do with my time than watch six and half minutes of Dianne Abbott, again.
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    CD13CD13 Posts: 6,351
    Is Diane well? That video suggests otherwise. Murnaghan was a cat playing with a mouse.

    Horrible to watch.
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,991
    edited June 2017

    So authorities knew of the terrorists.

    Serious questions how someone with extremist views were allowed to conduct these attacks.

    Have you never heard of an attack before? Some level of 'the authorities' often have some level of knowledge of the perpetrators. That, in itself, is not evidence of some major failure, though of course that can emerge to be the case later and you should lead with the specifics not just they 'knew' as that can mean almost anything. But there are thousands of people to watch.
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    ProdicusProdicus Posts: 658
    kle4 said:

    I've heard Corbyn speak, and he can be pretty good, although often his content is blander and more cliche than I'd have expected- why do people turn up in their thousands and thousands to hear it? I'd rather catch the clips of a speech from someone I supported than watch it live, unless it was truly groundbreaking, and most of his stuff has been said a thousand times.

    They thronged to B&B's Bearded Lady, too. Just the current freak show. Gotta be able to say you saw it.
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    The_ApocalypseThe_Apocalypse Posts: 7,830
    edited June 2017
    nichomar said:

    kle4 said:

    Sorry to interrupt, anyone know where the politics forum has gone?

    People are taking a break in order to have the partisan energy to go into the last days of the GE- like politicians being up for 2 days straight, you need to prepare for a marathon session like that.

    Me, I'm listening to some Simon and Garfunkel - very relaxing.
    Quite true and a refreshing change from posting from a party viewpoint, it does though show the generational divide. Where are the early twenty something's that grew up on busted or the 75+'who haven't moved on since nat king cole?
    McFly >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Busted

    Girls Aloud and the Sugababes >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Little Mix

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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,563
    kle4 said:

    Yes, probably. Simple, easy to understand and sell to the public as policies go, whether or not they would have helped in these cases or not.
    No good Conservative could support ID cards.

    Very simple question, how would have ID cards stopped the events of Saturday night.
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    NemtynakhtNemtynakht Posts: 2,311
    kjohnw said:

    nichomar said:

    Unconfirmed report that 1000's of PVs gone missing in the SW of England (as has mine and my daughters boyfriens) councils asking for people to report it to eliminate the possibility of fraud. Whilst mine is in yeovil major concern is Plymouth. As I said unconfirmed source seeking confirmation. They need to know to check if the vote has been used in the event of a challenge to the result and was not submitted by the person entitled, but difficult to do as you would have to forge a signature, more likely a problem in the postal distribution system.

    worrying
    Sounds like a problem in the sorting office. Probably feeding their boiler rather than take out to Tory areas of they are anything like ones I've seen
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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,941
    Pong said:

    Has anyone come across decent analysis+background of the qatar situ?

    My goto - the (usually excellent) international crisis group reports - don't cover it.

    It's an Iran/Saudi proxy thing, right?

    Here's an analysis piece from a UAE broadsheet: seems that the rest of the GCC is fed up with Qatar supporting Muslim Brotherhoodand other Islamist terrorists in Iran and Syria.

    http://www.thenational.ae/world/middle-east/how-current-qatar-gcc-crisis-has-roots-in-dohas-decisions-after-arab-spring
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,371
    Scott_P said:

    @RuthDavidsonMSP: So, how many #bbcqt audience members do we reckon are married to Tory councillors tonight?

    She just keeps them coming.
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    steve_garnersteve_garner Posts: 1,019

    10 minutes BBC news reveal that they released one of the attackers without charge.

    Imagine the Tory nationalists if this was done under labour government.

    3 attacks under mays was not enough eyes and ears all to fund tax cuts for the rich

    Any chance of this rant being re-posted in something resembling understandable English?

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    HaroldOHaroldO Posts: 1,185
    I was at a wedding reception on saturday and the band were amazingly good, played classic rock all night. The lead guitarist and the double bassist were both seventeen (the drummer was one of their fathers) and they both played their instruments perfectly and sang really well.
    All we could all think is; you young, talented, bastards.
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    foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    Pong said:

    Has anyone come across decent analysis+background of the qatar situ?

    My goto - the (usually excellent) international crisis group reports - don't cover it.

    It's an Iran/Saudi proxy thing, right?

    Both Qatar and Saudi are riding a tiger, and sooner or later the Islamists will become insurgent in their own countries. They think that they can control them, but they are going to be proven wrong.

    It is very odd that the USA has a major base and 10 thousand personnel in a country that is accused of sponsoring terror in another country where they also have bases.
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    HaroldOHaroldO Posts: 1,185

    HaroldO said:



    I like most of it, just her in it ruins a good few scenes. And Adric of course.

    Wait, why do I like it again?

    Because Adric goes... ;)

    Ahhh yes, dead Adric. He had this awful arrogance off camera if I remember correctly.
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    BromptonautBromptonaut Posts: 1,113

    kingbongo said:

    All this talk of Buckley and Powell makes me nostalgic for Brian Walden and Weekend world - we criticise pols for being shadows of former years' but nobody today even the sainted A Neill can do the job that Walden used to - as for politicians Powell and Foot sparring over opinion polls and the EC makes me embarrassed for our current crop

    It also had a fine theme tune - Nantucket Sleighride by Mountain. (Although the Nantucket Sleighride itself is rather unsavoury - refers to when you harpooned a whale and your vessel was dragged by it...urgh!)
    That's just ruined one of my favourite tunes!
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    midwintermidwinter Posts: 1,112

    10 minutes BBC news reveal that they released one of the attackers without charge.

    Imagine the Tory nationalists if this was done under labour government.

    3 attacks under mays was not enough eyes and ears all to fund tax cuts for the rich

    Yeah like WFA
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    HaroldOHaroldO Posts: 1,185
    SeanT said:

    Sandpit said:

    SeanT said:

    HaroldO said:

    SeanT said:

    HaroldO said:

    SeanT said:

    SeanT said:

    SeanT said:

    AndyJS said:

    Surely the best GE Bee Gees song is:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZY9oYSSjFI

    I once listened to this song about 50 times in a row, without a break. It's that good.
    Gosh, that is very good. I'd quite forgotten it.

    I reckon pop song writing is (ahem) a bit like thriller writing. People sneer at it (especially if it is popular) because it appears cheap and ubiquitous - sold in supermarkets like detergent. In reality, it is very difficult and few can do it well, hence the huge rewards if you get it right - as the Bee Gees clearly did.

    Here's another forsaken classic. In my mind the greatest song about male lovesickness and romantic rejection ever written

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jpR8r0D2EyY

    "I'd pay the devil to replace her"

    GENIUS
    I love Hall and Oates.
    Also the subject of a magnificent Big Train sketch:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zh5f-_I1df4
    I miss Big Train.
    It was the greatest comedy sketch show of all time. Oddly neglected. So brilliantly imaginative

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P0TZxFQaXkc
    The staring contest's were my personal favourite.
    Also Darth Vader hoovering. And the wanking thing. And the rediscovered mother. And this, possibly the greatest sketch of all time in any form, the Working Classes via Hitchcock

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WLToN2pjik8
    I have always found this funny and I have no idea why;

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fCPhkxskRVs
    Funniest show ever. Not sure why it is overlooked.
    Indeed, I'm nearly 40 and swear I've never seen any of this before tonight. :open_mouth:
    Very funny though.
    Check out the whole show, especially series 1. Absolute fucking genius. Bettered neither before nor since. Superb actors, superb writers. A total moment.
    Graham Linehan at his peak.
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    booksellerbookseller Posts: 421
    camel said:

    Sandpit said:

    SeanT said:

    HaroldO said:

    SeanT said:

    HaroldO said:

    SeanT said:

    SeanT said:

    SeanT said:

    AndyJS said:

    Surely the best GE Bee Gees song is:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZY9oYSSjFI

    I once listened to this song about 50 times in a row, without a break. It's that good.
    Gosh, that is very good. I'd quite forgotten it.

    I reckon pop song writing is (ahem) a bit like thriller writing. People sneer at it (especially if it is popular) because it appears cheap and ubiquitous - sold in supermarkets like detergent. In reality, it is very difficult and few can do it well, hence the huge rewards if you get it right - as the Bee Gees clearly did.

    Here's another forsaken classic. In my mind the greatest song about male lovesickness and romantic rejection ever written

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jpR8r0D2EyY

    "I'd pay the devil to replace her"

    GENIUS
    I love Hall and Oates.
    Also the subject of a magnificent Big Train sketch:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zh5f-_I1df4
    I miss Big Train.
    It was the greatest comedy sketch show of all time. Oddly neglected. So brilliantly imaginative

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P0TZxFQaXkc
    The staring contest's were my personal favourite.
    Also Darth Vader hoovering. And the wanking thing. And the rediscovered mother. And this, possibly the greatest sketch of all time in any form, the Working Classes via Hitchcock

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WLToN2pjik8
    I have always found this funny and I have no idea why;

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fCPhkxskRVs
    Funniest show ever. Not sure why it is overlooked.
    Indeed, I'm nearly 40 and swear I've never seen any of this before tonight. :open_mouth:
    Very funny though.
    When the history of 1990s and early C21st comedy is written, I genuinely hope a chapter is dedicated to the wonderful, yet never a household-name, Kevin Eldon.
    Agreed. Been a fan since he was in 'Fist of Fun'. Kevin Eldon's book 'My Prefect [sic] Cousin' is also criminally underrated.
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,991
    isam said:
    Abbott worries me. Because on the one hand I think 'I can relax, surely people will not elect a party putting up such patently unsuited people for one of the Great Offices of State', but then I get a momentary panic 'Well, she's gotten this far, and still has plenty of support, she wasn't sacked long ago and people like the Leader - what if?' (not changing my prediction though - Con maj 40)
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    camelcamel Posts: 815
    Today is the first time I have seen Sturgeon tested. She pretty much pulled through and is the Number 1 political operator around today.

    I think this QT audience format, when well and insightfully chaired as it was tonight, is pretty good format. I know everyone likes to see head-to-head debating, but his works better IMO.
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    BigIanBigIan Posts: 198
    SeanT said:

    BigIan said:

    kquote>

    Karen carpenter has the best voice of all time for me.

    It was amazing.

    Annie Lennox (when with the Eurythmics) and Stevie Nicks (when in her pomp) are particular favorite female voices I really enjoy listening to.
    All good choices, but - Aretha.
    That is all.

    Sandy Denny

    +1 for Sandy Denny.

    ++!

    Who Knows Where The Time Goes

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n2xODjbfYw8

    Sandy Denny wrote this when she was 19.

    19.

    Going to Cropredy this year (about my 5th or so); it's Fairport's 50th anniversary this year!

    Right old folkie I am.
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    isamisam Posts: 40,988
    edited June 2017
    SeanT said:

    BigIan said:

    kquote>

    Karen carpenter has the best voice of all time for me.

    It was amazing.

    Annie Lennox (when with the Eurythmics) and Stevie Nicks (when in her pomp) are particular favorite female voices I really enjoy listening to.
    All good choices, but - Aretha.
    That is all.



    Sandy Denny

    +1 for Sandy Denny.

    ++!

    Who Knows Where The Time Goes

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n2xODjbfYw8

    Sandy Denny wrote this when she was 19.

    19.
    Amy Winehouse's 'Back to Black' album is tremendous. 'Love Is A Losing Game' a classic
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    LucyJonesLucyJones Posts: 651
    Talking of singers with good voices, I don't know if anyone has heard of Jewel? Saw her at the Royal Albert Hall (I think) about ten years ago. "Pieces of You" was her first (and best, in my opinion) album.
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    HaroldOHaroldO Posts: 1,185
    Also, try this too. Just the one series but it is really, really good;

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R-1-62TcN70
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    ProdicusProdicus Posts: 658

    So authorities knew of the terrorists.

    Serious questions how someone with extremist views were allowed to conduct these attacks.

    Indeed. If only Diane Abbott had been Home Secretary and Mr Corbyn our PM, the attack would not have happened. One would have felt so much safer. Vote Labour.

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    kingbongokingbongo Posts: 393

    kingbongo said:

    All this talk of Buckley and Powell makes me nostalgic for Brian Walden and Weekend world - we criticise pols for being shadows of former years' but nobody today even the sainted A Neill can do the job that Walden used to - as for politicians Powell and Foot sparring over opinion polls and the EC makes me embarrassed for our current crop

    It also had a fine theme tune - Nantucket Sleighride by Mountain. (Although the Nantucket Sleighride itself is rather unsavoury - refers to when you harpooned a whale and your vessel was dragged by it...urgh!)
    The theme tune is what got me hooked on it when I was a kid!

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    nichomarnichomar Posts: 7,483

    kjohnw said:

    nichomar said:

    Unconfirmed report that 1000's of PVs gone missing in the SW of England (as has mine and my daughters boyfriens) councils asking for people to report it to eliminate the possibility of fraud. Whilst mine is in yeovil major concern is Plymouth. As I said unconfirmed source seeking confirmation. They need to know to check if the vote has been used in the event of a challenge to the result and was not submitted by the person entitled, but difficult to do as you would have to forge a signature, more likely a problem in the postal distribution system.

    worrying
    Sounds like a problem in the sorting office. Probably feeding their boiler rather than take out to Tory areas of they are anything like ones I've seen
    Well I'm an easily recognizably lib dem with some history, the boyfriend is probably Tory so although the thought of conspiracy is tempting I doubt it. 2015 arrived two days before election, no chance of return, referendum no problem, 2017 nothing yet. The moral is appoint a reliable proxy, all my own fault for not and relying on RM and Correos.
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    GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 20,894
    Sandpit said:

    Back from the pub to find Diane finally appeared, only to open her mouth and insert her foot.
    Car crash TV

    https://twitter.com/_/status/871810034677698560

    Something makes me think she hadn't actually read the report... ;)
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    CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    Nigelb said:

    HaroldO said:

    Awww Peter Sallis. Aside from Wallace he was also good in the original Ice Warriors story in Doctor Who with Patrick Troughton.
    I remember he best in Last of the Summer Wine, the show itself was awful but I used to watch it when I was a lad with my grandparents. Cocoa and Cleggy.

    Some here will be pleased to learn he once played Samuel Pepys - though I can think of only one of us who might be old enough to have seen it...
    This morning my daughter saw a picture of James II and asked if it was Samuel Pepys... 5 year olds these days...
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    TravelJunkieTravelJunkie Posts: 431
    Prodicus said:

    So authorities knew of the terrorists.

    Serious questions how someone with extremist views were allowed to conduct these attacks.

    Indeed. If only Diane Abbott had been Home Secretary and Mr Corbyn our PM, the attack would not have happened. One would have felt so much safer. Vote Labour.

    So 3 terrorism attack is not the Tories fault.

    Police cuts and watered down powers for resources is not the Tories fault.

    Another individual on here who cares more about their party than their country. Disgusting
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    ProdicusProdicus Posts: 658
    Pong said:

    Has anyone come across decent analysis+background of the qatar situ?

    My goto - the (usually excellent) international crisis group reports - don't cover it.

    It's an Iran/Saudi proxy thing, right?

    Paywall but you may get an intro freebie:

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/06/05/qatar-cold-shady-relationships-wont-make-islamist-extremists/
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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,941
    SeanT said:

    Sandpit said:

    SeanT said:

    HaroldO said:

    SeanT said:

    HaroldO said:

    SeanT said:

    SeanT said:

    SeanT said:

    AndyJS said:

    Surely the best GE Bee Gees song is:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZY9oYSSjFI

    I once listened to this song about 50 times in a row, without a break. It's that good.
    Gosh, that is very good. I'd quite forgotten it.

    I reckon pop song writing is (ahem) a bit like thriller writing. People sneer at it (especially if it is popular) because it appears cheap and ubiquitous - sold in supermarkets like detergent. In reality, it is very difficult and few can do it well, hence the huge rewards if you get it right - as the Bee Gees clearly did.

    Here's another forsaken classic. In my mind the greatest song about male lovesickness and romantic rejection ever written

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jpR8r0D2EyY

    "I'd pay the devil to replace her"

    GENIUS
    I love Hall and Oates.
    Also the subject of a magnificent Big Train sketch:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zh5f-_I1df4
    I miss Big Train.
    It was the greatest comedy sketch show of all time. Oddly neglected. So brilliantly imaginative

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P0TZxFQaXkc
    The staring contest's were my personal favourite.
    Also Darth Vader hoovering. And the wanking thing. And the rediscovered mother. And this, possibly the greatest sketch of all time in any form, the Working Classes via Hitchcock

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WLToN2pjik8
    I have always found this funny and I have no idea why;

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fCPhkxskRVs
    Funniest show ever. Not sure why it is overlooked.
    Indeed, I'm nearly 40 and swear I've never seen any of this before tonight. :open_mouth:
    Very funny though.
    Check out the whole show, especially series 1. Absolute fucking genius. Bettered neither before nor since. Superb actors, superb writers. A total moment.
    Thanks, will find series 1 and watch from there. First aired in 1998 apparently, I was at uni then so must have been too pissed to watch it. Written by Graham Linehan, so unlikely to be shit.
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    paulyork64paulyork64 Posts: 2,461
    nichomar said:

    kle4 said:

    Sorry to interrupt, anyone know where the politics forum has gone?

    People are taking a break in order to have the partisan energy to go into the last days of the GE- like politicians being up for 2 days straight, you need to prepare for a marathon session like that.

    Me, I'm listening to some Simon and Garfunkel - very relaxing.
    Quite true and a refreshing change from posting from a party viewpoint, it does though show the generational divide. Where are the early twenty something's that grew up on busted or the 75+'who haven't moved on since nat king cole?
    Well Steps are my guilty pleasure!
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    jonny83jonny83 Posts: 1,261
    Car crash even for Abbott. I wonder if her confidence is like totally shot? Clearly behind the scenes they didn't want her out there. Then it looks like they wheeled her out probably because they questioned why she wasn't out there.
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,989

    Prodicus said:

    So authorities knew of the terrorists.

    Serious questions how someone with extremist views were allowed to conduct these attacks.

    Indeed. If only Diane Abbott had been Home Secretary and Mr Corbyn our PM, the attack would not have happened. One would have felt so much safer. Vote Labour.

    So 3 terrorism attack is not the Tories fault.

    Police cuts and watered down powers for resources is not the Tories fault.

    Another individual on here who cares more about their party than their country. Disgusting
    Still banging on about this? Getting much traction?
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,991
    jonny83 said:

    Car crash even for Abbott. I wonder if her confidence is like totally shot? Clearly behind the scenes they didn't want her out there. Then it looks like they wheeled her out probably because they questioned why she wasn't out there.

    Abbott's always patronising attitude when answering questions reveals she does not lack for confidence, i think.
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    TravelJunkieTravelJunkie Posts: 431
    https://youtu.be/14Iu1xe3LE4

    Answer the question.
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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,941
    Tory majority still holding at 1.27 on Betfair. This has to be free money surely, or is Diane's latest car crash going to send more students to the polling booths in their desperation to see her running our security services before next weekend?

    https://www.betfair.com/exchange/politics/event/28051210/market?marketId=1.119040708
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    TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362
    Sandpit said:

    Back from the pub to find Diane finally appeared, only to open her mouth and insert her foot.
    Car crash TV

    https://twitter.com/_/status/871810034677698560

    That was bloody awful- lol

    Sky had caption of - Abbott,PM should be embarrassed.

    LOL.
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    TheWhiteRabbitTheWhiteRabbit Posts: 12,388

    kle4 said:

    Yes, probably. Simple, easy to understand and sell to the public as policies go, whether or not they would have helped in these cases or not.
    No good Conservative could support ID cards.

    Very simple question, how would have ID cards stopped the events of Saturday night.
    I became a Tory over ID cards ten years ago.

    BUT if you do want to require everyone to show ID all of the time, you need to make it available. I don't so I don't, if you see what I mean.
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    TravelJunkieTravelJunkie Posts: 431
    https://youtu.be/4yzq6kSG4jg

    Still refuses to answer the question
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    Ave_itAve_it Posts: 2,411
    It does look like Labour are imploding!

    I don't think anyone likes them anyway!!
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    RobinWiggsRobinWiggs Posts: 621
    LucyJones said:

    I thought AS Levels had been scrapped?

    They are great questions and I'm glad kids are being taught/can choose to be taught this stuff. Certainly better than my miserable AS level geography about oxbox lakes.....

    They have, pretty much. Except in Maths, politics and DT.
    And Wales. No1 son is working his nuts off at the moment. Will be deeply unhappy if uni's pay no notice at all in his applications in the autumn.

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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    There was a documentary about the Bee Gees on BBC4 recently:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b04v8677
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    MattyNethMattyNeth Posts: 60
    Weren't we due a Survation poll tonight for GMTV
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    isamisam Posts: 40,988

    10 minutes BBC news reveal that they released one of the attackers without charge.

    Imagine the Tory nationalists if this was done under labour government.

    3 attacks under mays was not enough eyes and ears all to fund tax cuts for the rich

    The police killed the three attackers didn't they?
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    marke09marke09 Posts: 926
    people bangingonabout police cuts wat about the NHS? suppose to beon its knees cannot cope in melt downbut it coped fantastically with Manchesternadd London with no quarralling about resources
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    Scrapheap_as_wasScrapheap_as_was Posts: 10,059

    Prodicus said:

    So authorities knew of the terrorists.

    Serious questions how someone with extremist views were allowed to conduct these attacks.

    Indeed. If only Diane Abbott had been Home Secretary and Mr Corbyn our PM, the attack would not have happened. One would have felt so much safer. Vote Labour.

    So 3 terrorism attack is not the Tories fault.

    Police cuts and watered down powers for resources is not the Tories fault.

    Another individual on here who cares more about their party than their country. Disgusting
    Less than 72 hours to go of this .... what a shame.
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,991
    Ave_it said:

    It does look like Labour are imploding!

    I bet the polls don't say that though.
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    TravelJunkieTravelJunkie Posts: 431
    https://youtu.be/Y0LJ918-oYo

    Go on piers third time lucky...nope Tories never take responsibility, it's all someone elses fault.
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    bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 21,894


    Time for bed said Zebedee
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    foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    isam said:

    SeanT said:

    BigIan said:

    kquote>

    Karen carpenter has the best voice of all time for me.

    It was amazing.

    Annie Lennox (when with the Eurythmics) and Stevie Nicks (when in her pomp) are particular favorite female voices I really enjoy listening to.
    All good choices, but - Aretha.
    That is all.



    Sandy Denny

    +1 for Sandy Denny.

    ++!

    Who Knows Where The Time Goes

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n2xODjbfYw8

    Sandy Denny wrote this when she was 19.

    19.
    Amy Winehouse's 'Back to Black' album is tremendous. 'Love Is A Losing Game' a classic
    "Back to Black" is one of those perfect albums without a dud track, or filler.

    I remember the first time I heard it, getting drunk on Gin and talking politics.


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    The_ApocalypseThe_Apocalypse Posts: 7,830
    It's nonsense like ID Cards which is why Blair is so toxic these days.
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    The_ApocalypseThe_Apocalypse Posts: 7,830

    isam said:

    SeanT said:

    BigIan said:

    kquote>

    Karen carpenter has the best voice of all time for me.

    It was amazing.

    Annie Lennox (when with the Eurythmics) and Stevie Nicks (when in her pomp) are particular favorite female voices I really enjoy listening to.
    All good choices, but - Aretha.
    That is all.



    Sandy Denny

    +1 for Sandy Denny.

    ++!

    Who Knows Where The Time Goes

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n2xODjbfYw8

    Sandy Denny wrote this when she was 19.

    19.
    Amy Winehouse's 'Back to Black' album is tremendous. 'Love Is A Losing Game' a classic
    "Back to Black" is one of those perfect albums without a dud track, or filler.

    I remember the first time I heard it, getting drunk on Gin and talking politics.


    +1.

    Frank is also a brilliant, as well.
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    nichomarnichomar Posts: 7,483

    nichomar said:

    kle4 said:

    Sorry to interrupt, anyone know where the politics forum has gone?

    People are taking a break in order to have the partisan energy to go into the last days of the GE- like politicians being up for 2 days straight, you need to prepare for a marathon session like that.

    Me, I'm listening to some Simon and Garfunkel - very relaxing.
    Quite true and a refreshing change from posting from a party viewpoint, it does though show the generational divide. Where are the early twenty something's that grew up on busted or the 75+'who haven't moved on since nat king cole?
    Well Steps are my guilty pleasure!
    At 63 I like boy bands but only for their music, circus circus is brilliant but if I had to choose dark side of the moon dire straights and the who would win
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,989

    .be/4yzq6kSG4jg

    Still refuses to answer the question

    Stop spamming.
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    Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 30,994

    isam said:

    @SeanT

    By the way, here is more Enoch & Buckley. No talk of immigration here, just a beautiful deconstruction of the prices and incomes policy, the perils of socialism and the moral conundrum of standing for parliament when you don't agree with the party line

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Es0YGdROxVE

    What I love about this is there is *no* embellishing: it's just one hour of very serious conversation, with a proper interviewer asking penetrating questions.

    Nothing else.

    In modern times, the interviewer would only be interested in forcing a gaffe, embarrassing the subject, or outing them as a bigot. The politician would want to avoid the questions, and get their soundbites across.

    Depressing.
    Its not just politicians.

    I remember seeing a film of AJP Taylor doing a TV programme in the 1960s on the origins of the First World War.

    The programme was an hour long and he spoke, without notes, from start to finish, for within about 15 seconds of the hour and the way in which he drew himself towards his conclusions you would have thought he had the whole thing timed to the second. Just remarkable.
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    spire2spire2 Posts: 183
    What polls are out tonight? I yhink Faisal islam just caled them close polls
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    TravelJunkieTravelJunkie Posts: 431
    RobD said:

    Prodicus said:

    So authorities knew of the terrorists.

    Serious questions how someone with extremist views were allowed to conduct these attacks.

    Indeed. If only Diane Abbott had been Home Secretary and Mr Corbyn our PM, the attack would not have happened. One would have felt so much safer. Vote Labour.

    So 3 terrorism attack is not the Tories fault.

    Police cuts and watered down powers for resources is not the Tories fault.

    Another individual on here who cares more about their party than their country. Disgusting
    Still banging on about this? Getting much traction?
    Party before country. Party before country. Party before country.
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    AndreaParma_82AndreaParma_82 Posts: 4,714
    edited June 2017
    Corbyn today visited Durham NW, Middlesbrough South, Blyth Valley and Gateshead.

    Given the type of his previous visits, it likely means Durham NW, Blyth Valley and Gateshead are considered safe enough and Middlesbrough South already lost.

    On Saturday he went Lincoln, Sherwood and Broxtowe. On Sunday he was supposed to go to Stroud.

    He doesn't visit the seats on the real defense list, the 5-15% Labour majorities.
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,563
    spire2 said:

    What polls are out tonight? I yhink Faisal islam just caled them close polls

    Survation phone poll for GMB out at 00.01
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    glwglw Posts: 9,554

    It is very odd that the USA has a major base and 10 thousand personnel in a country that is accused of sponsoring terror in another country where they also have bases.

    It's not that odd, it is common to many of the Gulf states as they have precarious internal politics, for a whole host of reasons, and so they try to play both sides to maintain the status quo. The better question is how can we get them to unequivocally choose a relatively friendly, democratic, and liberal side without the state imploding. If you know the answer to that tell Boris.
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    nunununu Posts: 6,024
    SeanT said:

    The Abbott Sky interview is incredible. Her fourth or fifth car crash in a row.

    You called her intelligent at one point. ;)
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    TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362
    isam said:

    10 minutes BBC news reveal that they released one of the attackers without charge.

    Imagine the Tory nationalists if this was done under labour government.

    3 attacks under mays was not enough eyes and ears all to fund tax cuts for the rich

    The police killed the three attackers didn't they?
    In 8 mins,armed all police, then all dead when van crashed.
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    GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 20,894

    isam said:

    SeanT said:

    BigIan said:

    kquote>

    Karen carpenter has the best voice of all time for me.

    It was amazing.

    Annie Lennox (when with the Eurythmics) and Stevie Nicks (when in her pomp) are particular favorite female voices I really enjoy listening to.
    All good choices, but - Aretha.
    That is all.



    Sandy Denny

    +1 for Sandy Denny.

    ++!

    Who Knows Where The Time Goes

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n2xODjbfYw8

    Sandy Denny wrote this when she was 19.

    19.
    Amy Winehouse's 'Back to Black' album is tremendous. 'Love Is A Losing Game' a classic
    "Back to Black" is one of those perfect albums without a dud track, or filler.

    I remember the first time I heard it, getting drunk on Gin and talking politics.


    I don't remember that...
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    The_ApocalypseThe_Apocalypse Posts: 7,830
    spire2 said:

    What polls are out tonight? I yhink Faisal islam just caled them close polls

    GMB Survation.

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    MortimerMortimer Posts: 13,956

    RobD said:

    Prodicus said:

    So authorities knew of the terrorists.

    Serious questions how someone with extremist views were allowed to conduct these attacks.

    Indeed. If only Diane Abbott had been Home Secretary and Mr Corbyn our PM, the attack would not have happened. One would have felt so much safer. Vote Labour.

    So 3 terrorism attack is not the Tories fault.

    Police cuts and watered down powers for resources is not the Tories fault.

    Another individual on here who cares more about their party than their country. Disgusting
    Still banging on about this? Getting much traction?
    Party before country. Party before country. Party before country.
    Stop banging on about party politics then. Astroturfing isn't clever.
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395

    spire2 said:

    What polls are out tonight? I yhink Faisal islam just caled them close polls

    GMB Survation.

    Not until midnight, annoyingly.
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    BromptonautBromptonaut Posts: 1,113
    isam said:

    10 minutes BBC news reveal that they released one of the attackers without charge.

    Imagine the Tory nationalists if this was done under labour government.

    3 attacks under mays was not enough eyes and ears all to fund tax cuts for the rich

    The police killed the three attackers didn't they?
    And it would have been much better if they had been immobilised and arrested. No martyrdom, information gathered, cell rounded up.
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,991

    spire2 said:

    What polls are out tonight? I yhink Faisal islam just caled them close polls

    GMB Survation.

    Labour ahead by 1 then.
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    jonny83jonny83 Posts: 1,261
    kle4 said:

    jonny83 said:

    Car crash even for Abbott. I wonder if her confidence is like totally shot? Clearly behind the scenes they didn't want her out there. Then it looks like they wheeled her out probably because they questioned why she wasn't out there.

    Abbott's always patronising attitude when answering questions reveals she does not lack for confidence, i think.
    Normally I would agree but this was really bad. I have seen her slip up in an interview before but this was a complete mess. If your colleagues don't want you out there doing interviews it could knock your confidence even if you tell yourself you can do this.
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,563
    I really do need to delete that thread I wrote tipping Diane Abbott as next Labour leader.
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