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    nichomarnichomar Posts: 7,483
    TudorRose said:
    No they actually meant SDP but due to cuts got past the sub editor
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 54,060
    Ave_it said:

    Ave it latest projection!

    CON holding on despite difficult campaign and useless manifesto
    Poor results in London and South likely to be more than offset by better results elsewhere including Scotland

    CON 44%
    LAB 34%
    LD 8%
    UKIP 4%
    GRN 3%
    SNP 3%
    OTH 4%

    CON 348
    LAB 232
    LD 5
    UKIP 0
    GRN 1
    SNP 43
    PC 3
    OTH 18

    CON maj 46



    4% for UKIP is almost impossible given how few seats they are standing in.
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    JackWJackW Posts: 14,787
    Ave_it said:

    JackW said:

    Ave_it said:

    Ave it latest projection!

    CON holding on despite difficult campaign and useless manifesto
    Poor results in London and South likely to be more than offset by better results elsewhere including Scotland

    CON 44%
    LAB 34%
    LD 8%
    UKIP 4%
    GRN 3%
    SNP 3%
    OTH 4%

    CON 348
    LAB 232
    LD 5
    UKIP 0
    GRN 1
    SNP 43
    PC 3
    OTH 18

    CON maj 46



    Ave_it in Conservative Bedwetting Scandal !!
    I am staying as dry as ever! strong and stable! :lol:
    Nah .... Ave_it is now a Conservative wet .....
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Survation won't be out until midnight.
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    Ave_itAve_it Posts: 2,411
    rcs1000 said:

    Ave_it said:

    Ave it latest projection!

    CON holding on despite difficult campaign and useless manifesto
    Poor results in London and South likely to be more than offset by better results elsewhere including Scotland

    CON 44%
    LAB 34%
    LD 8%
    UKIP 4%
    GRN 3%
    SNP 3%
    OTH 4%

    CON 348
    LAB 232
    LD 5
    UKIP 0
    GRN 1
    SNP 43
    PC 3
    OTH 18

    CON maj 46



    4% for UKIP is almost impossible given how few seats they are standing in.
    There is always a potential error in projections! :lol:
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    GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 20,894
    edited June 2017
    Ave_it said:

    Ave it latest projection!

    CON holding on despite difficult campaign and useless manifesto
    Poor results in London and South likely to be more than offset by better results elsewhere including Scotland

    CON 44%
    LAB 34%
    LD 8%
    UKIP 4%
    GRN 3%
    SNP 3%
    OTH 4%

    CON 348
    LAB 232
    LD 5
    UKIP 0
    GRN 1
    SNP 43
    PC 3
    OTH 18

    CON maj 46



    Ave it!!!!!!!!!!


    Put 30 on Con and take 30 off Lab and your there! :smiley:
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    TomsToms Posts: 2,478
    JackW said:

    Diane Abbott really is coming on Sky News .... soon .... honest guv .... :smile:

    Like a frog in a well, labour's campaign will slip back.
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    MarkHopkinsMarkHopkins Posts: 5,584

    MaxPB said:

    I think everyone is going to wake up to a 120-125 seat Con majority on Friday. The mood music has changed after Saturday night, even within the London liberal bubble that is my social group.

    Maybe even higher. The public have decided on Labour's bonkers experiment and will quietly deliver their verdict.

    TMay needs a Tory landslide.

    The country needs a Tory landslide.

    Labour needs* a Tory landslide.

    So I hope you are correct.


    * The only way to be certain of getting rid of Corbyn and starting afresh.

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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Ave_it said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Ave_it said:

    Ave it latest projection!

    CON holding on despite difficult campaign and useless manifesto
    Poor results in London and South likely to be more than offset by better results elsewhere including Scotland

    CON 44%
    LAB 34%
    LD 8%
    UKIP 4%
    GRN 3%
    SNP 3%
    OTH 4%

    CON 348
    LAB 232
    LD 5
    UKIP 0
    GRN 1
    SNP 43
    PC 3
    OTH 18

    CON maj 46



    4% for UKIP is almost impossible given how few seats they are standing in.
    There is always a potential error in projections! :lol:
    4% would be an average of about 8% in the seats they're contesting, which is plausible IMO.
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    camelcamel Posts: 815
    diane is dying on her arse - lack of preparation
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    FloaterFloater Posts: 14,195
    Diane Abbott on sky wilting badly again
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,534
    kyf_100 said:

    MaxPB said:

    I think everyone is going to wake up to a 120-125 seat Con majority on Friday. The mood music has changed after Saturday night, even within the London liberal bubble that is my social group.

    I have noticed the same thing within my London bubble.

    The Corbynites in my life (in real life and on social media) have started sounding shrill, angry, desperate. It's a big tonal shift from where we were last week. They've gone from being optimistic and cheerful to hectoring and nasty. The bubble has burst.
    Wait until Friday.
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    FloaterFloater Posts: 14,195
    edited June 2017
    jeez she is as thick as my porridge
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    Stark_DawningStark_Dawning Posts: 9,320
    JonWC said:

    Coldplay fan who also saw them at Wembley.. easily the most impressive show I've ever seen. How many bands can play over twenty songs at a concert?

    The full recording of The Who's 'Live at Leeds' has 33.
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    GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 20,894
    AndyJS said:

    Survation won't be out until midnight.

    Are they ramping it up? I.E. is it going to be worth staying up for?
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,979

    MaxPB said:

    I think everyone is going to wake up to a 120-125 seat Con majority on Friday. The mood music has changed after Saturday night, even within the London liberal bubble that is my social group.

    Maybe even higher. The public have decided on Labour's bonkers experiment and will quietly deliver their verdict.
    * The only way to be certain of getting rid of Corbyn and starting afresh.

    I'm not in favour of a landslide for any other reason.
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    FloaterFloater Posts: 14,195
    lol - she is utterly clueless "have you read the report"

    Yes


    But she knows nothing thats in it
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    TudorRoseTudorRose Posts: 1,662

    HaroldO said:

    On topic, this is a very strange way to campaign to avert a landslide


    https://twitter.com/MichaelLCrick/status/871744304695443458

    It's a very odd way to campaign to win seats too.

    He can only be doing this so they can post videos online of him getting large crowds for his speeches....but then only hardcore fans would watch them.
    If this were Theresa May, I would think it meant something.

    But there could be a multitude of reasons Corbyn is visiting such seats.
    So where will TMay end the campaign? I seem to recall Cameron always went to Carlisle (which in 2010 was very telling)....
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    FloaterFloater Posts: 14,195
    oh my - oh my - oh my

    Home secretary material??

    Not in a million years
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    GIN1138 said:

    AndyJS said:

    Survation won't be out until midnight.

    Are they ramping it up? I.E. is it going to be worth staying up for?
    No ramping yet, AFAIK.
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,979
    Sometimes I think Abbott is there so that Tories start to get complacent again. I'm not watching her current performance, but even among my Corbynite acquaintances, who are very dimissive of the attacks on the nuclear and IRA issues, they were not fans of her.
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    nichomarnichomar Posts: 7,483
    Bloody hell what is she on?
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    nrs3079nrs3079 Posts: 14
    Wow this interview with Diane Abbott is really bad... for her
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    FloaterFloater Posts: 14,195
    kle4 said:

    Sometimes I think Abbott is there so that Tories start to get complacent again. I'm not watching her current performance, but even among my Corbynite acquaintances, who are very dimissive of the attacks on the nuclear and IRA issues, they were not fans of her.

    I am hiding behind the settee
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    camelcamel Posts: 815
    Top class comedy
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    ChaosOdinChaosOdin Posts: 67
    OMFG Dianne Abbott on Sky! I can't cope! Cringe!
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    FloaterFloater Posts: 14,195
    camel said:

    diane is dying on her arse - lack of preparation

    She was awful - absolutely woeful

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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,979

    CD13 said:

    Mr 64,

    "Karen carpenter has the best voice of all time for me."

    Now you're talking. Number two is probably Joan Baez.

    I haven't heard much of JB. I'll listen out for her. What's her best known song?
    She did a famous cover of Blowin' in the Wind, which is a good way to sample if you like her voice.
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    tlg86tlg86 Posts: 25,204
    nichomar said:

    Bloody hell what is she on?

    She looked sedated. Soon snapped out of it when asked about Trump, though.
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    FloaterFloater Posts: 14,195
    ChaosOdin said:

    OMFG Dianne Abbott on Sky! I can't cope! Cringe!

    Laughing and wincing at same time

    This is one of Labour's best and brightest


    ROFL
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    MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,311
    Imagine if ICM and ComRes either weren't polling or weren't using their historic turnout model.

    The average Con lead would be about 4% and presumably No Overall Majority would be favourite - or at least the odds would be very close between Con Maj and NOM.
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    FloaterFloater Posts: 14,195
    nrs3079 said:

    Wow this interview with Diane Abbott is really bad... for her

    Again - home Secretary come Friday?

    Snigger
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    LucyJonesLucyJones Posts: 651
    O/T My older daughter sat her AS Government and Politics earlier today.

    The questions were:

    VOTING BEHAVIOUR

    1) Explain the term Safe seat

    2) Explain reasons for differential turnout between constituencies at General Elections.

    3) 'Voting behaviour at UK General elections is primarily down to the personalities of those seeking office, as opposed to their policies' Discuss

    ELECTORAL SYSTEMS

    1) Explain the term representative democracy

    2) Identify and explain two reasons why David Cameron decided to call the EU Referendum.

    3) 'The use of referendums since 1975 has done little to enhance democracy' Discuss


    I reckon most posters here would be nailed on for an easy "A" with those questions. (No A* grade for AS levels). My daughter thought it pretty easy, too - we'll find out if she did as well as she thought on results day in August.
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    TudorRoseTudorRose Posts: 1,662
    I suppose we might end up with a couple of quick by-elections just to keep the savings account topped up.
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,534
    For those who think the visits of cabinet ministers to Bolsover are more than just a coincidence, you can still get 8/1 on the Tories with William Hill.

    I'm on.

    https://www.ft.com/content/a667b85c-4469-11e7-8519-9f94ee97d996
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,979
    edited June 2017
    TudorRose said:

    HaroldO said:

    On topic, this is a very strange way to campaign to avert a landslide


    https://twitter.com/MichaelLCrick/status/871744304695443458

    It's a very odd way to campaign to win seats too.

    He can only be doing this so they can post videos online of him getting large crowds for his speeches....but then only hardcore fans would watch them.
    If this were Theresa May, I would think it meant something.

    But there could be a multitude of reasons Corbyn is visiting such seats.
    So where will TMay end the campaign? I seem to recall Cameron always went to Carlisle (which in 2010 was very telling)....
    Islington North!

    "I want people to know that the politics of Jeremy Corbyn are deluded, they are dangerous, and only the Conservatives are offering strong and stable solutions in the national interest, and I want to take that message to every part of this country, even right here, in Jeremy Corbyn's own seat"
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    AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    JonWC said:

    Coldplay fan who also saw them at Wembley.. easily the most impressive show I've ever seen. How many bands can play over twenty songs at a concert?

    Any half decent band that's been around for a few years?
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,979
    Oh no, she might be barred from the office she won't hold next week.
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    FloaterFloater Posts: 14,195
    tlg86 said:

    nichomar said:

    Bloody hell what is she on?

    She looked sedated. Soon snapped out of it when asked about Trump, though.
    Because she had no fucking clue what the reporter was on about

    He was kind, other reporters would have eviscerated her for that pile of shite.
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    isamisam Posts: 40,987
    Floater said:

    Diane Abbott on sky wilting badly again

    Had to mute!

    Excrutiating!

    "I haven't read The Harris Report" would have sufficed
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    nichomarnichomar Posts: 7,483
    tlg86 said:

    nichomar said:

    Bloody hell what is she on?

    She looked sedated. Soon snapped out of it when asked about Trump, though.
    Clever interviewing talking about a report she claimed to have read but the interviewer knew more about it than her. How do they let her out so poorly prepped, no need to edit it to make it amusing just put it on continuous play
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    camelcamel Posts: 815
    Floater said:

    camel said:

    diane is dying on her arse - lack of preparation

    She was awful - absolutely woeful

    So there you have it. The alternative. A Shadow Home Secretary who, at a time of national concern if not emergency, appears on television absolutely unprepared for any kind of interview.

    I can only assume Dermot Murnaghan felt sorry for her. He could have had her served up on toast when it became obvious she hadn't read the report.

    I'd put it down to crapness/arrogance but there's more to it than that. She appears to me as if she's been swallowing bennies and vodka before appearances.

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    paulyork64paulyork64 Posts: 2,461
    kle4 said:

    CD13 said:

    Mr 64,

    "Karen carpenter has the best voice of all time for me."

    Now you're talking. Number two is probably Joan Baez.

    I haven't heard much of JB. I'll listen out for her. What's her best known song?
    She did a famous cover of Blowin' in the Wind, which is a good way to sample if you like her voice.
    Cheers kle.
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    tlg86tlg86 Posts: 25,204
    @LucyJones - I dunno - I'm struggling to think of a second reason for why Cameron called the EU referendum.
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    PongPong Posts: 4,693
    edited June 2017
    LucyJones said:

    O/T My older daughter sat her AS Government and Politics earlier today.

    The questions were:

    VOTING BEHAVIOUR

    1) Explain the term Safe seat

    2) Explain reasons for differential turnout between constituencies at General Elections.

    3) 'Voting behaviour at UK General elections is primarily down to the personalities of those seeking office, as opposed to their policies' Discuss

    ELECTORAL SYSTEMS

    1) Explain the term representative democracy

    2) Identify and explain two reasons why David Cameron decided to call the EU Referendum.

    3) 'The use of referendums since 1975 has done little to enhance democracy' Discuss


    I reckon most posters here would be nailed on for an easy "A" with those questions. (No A* grade for AS levels). My daughter thought it pretty easy, too - we'll find out if she did as well as she thought on results day in August.

    I'd guess the higher marks would go to those who can make a convincing argument and *also* contextualise + represent (and rebut) opposing arguments.

    Quite hard when you're 17 and only have 15 mins per question...

    I recon most posters on here would do ok but struggle to get the highest grades.

    Good luck to your daughter!
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    TudorRoseTudorRose Posts: 1,662
    nichomar said:

    tlg86 said:

    nichomar said:

    Bloody hell what is she on?

    She looked sedated. Soon snapped out of it when asked about Trump, though.
    Clever interviewing talking about a report she claimed to have read but the interviewer knew more about it than her. How do they let her out so poorly prepped, no need to edit it to make it amusing just put it on continuous play
    The report was more than 140 characters.
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    FloaterFloater Posts: 14,195
    isam said:

    Floater said:

    Diane Abbott on sky wilting badly again

    Had to mute!

    Excrutiating!

    "I haven't read The Harris Report" would have sufficed
    No, no, no - she said she had read it.

    Didn't make much of an impression on you though did it Diane


    ROFL

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    BannedInParisBannedInParis Posts: 2,191
    kle4 said:

    CD13 said:

    Mr 64,

    "Karen carpenter has the best voice of all time for me."

    Now you're talking. Number two is probably Joan Baez.

    I haven't heard much of JB. I'll listen out for her. What's her best known song?
    She did a famous cover of Blowin' in the Wind, which is a good way to sample if you like her voice.
    Dianne Abbott?
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    AndrewAndrew Posts: 2,900
    Floater said:


    Laughing and wincing at same time

    This is one of Labour's best and brightest

    Didn't see, but hard to imagine it could get worse for Abbott.

    "Mao did more good than harm."

    “Though I was born here in London, I couldn’t identify as British”

    "...every defeat of the British state is a victory for all of us."
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    RestharrowRestharrow Posts: 233
    Alistair said:

    JonWC said:

    Coldplay fan who also saw them at Wembley.. easily the most impressive show I've ever seen. How many bands can play over twenty songs at a concert?

    Any half decent band that's been around for a few years?
    Grateful Dead just kept playing until everyone had gone home. Not sure about "over twenty songs" though.
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,534
    TudorRose said:

    HaroldO said:

    On topic, this is a very strange way to campaign to avert a landslide


    https://twitter.com/MichaelLCrick/status/871744304695443458

    It's a very odd way to campaign to win seats too.

    He can only be doing this so they can post videos online of him getting large crowds for his speeches....but then only hardcore fans would watch them.
    If this were Theresa May, I would think it meant something.

    But there could be a multitude of reasons Corbyn is visiting such seats.
    So where will TMay end the campaign? I seem to recall Cameron always went to Carlisle (which in 2010 was very telling)....
    My working assumption is that she will be led by CCHQ analysis from Crosby/Messina (which we know is very good, and I personally believe it now too) and will go to a few Labour held seats where the margin of victory is forecast to be 500 votes, or less, in the hope of making the difference, by firming up Tory turnout and winning over last minute waverers.

    If she visits defensive Tory-held seats, then that also tells us something.
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    FloaterFloater Posts: 14,195
    camel said:

    Floater said:

    camel said:

    diane is dying on her arse - lack of preparation

    She was awful - absolutely woeful

    So there you have it. The alternative. A Shadow Home Secretary who, at a time of national concern if not emergency, appears on television absolutely unprepared for any kind of interview.

    I can only assume Dermot Murnaghan felt sorry for her. He could have had her served up on toast when it became obvious she hadn't read the report.

    I'd put it down to crapness/arrogance but there's more to it than that. She appears to me as if she's been swallowing bennies and vodka before appearances.

    A report about precautions against terrorism - obviously of no interest to a shadow home secretary

    Yep - he to quickly fed her the answers as she died on her feet.
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,979

    TudorRose said:

    HaroldO said:

    On topic, this is a very strange way to campaign to avert a landslide


    https://twitter.com/MichaelLCrick/status/871744304695443458

    It's a very odd way to campaign to win seats too.

    He can only be doing this so they can post videos online of him getting large crowds for his speeches....but then only hardcore fans would watch them.
    If this were Theresa May, I would think it meant something.

    But there could be a multitude of reasons Corbyn is visiting such seats.
    So where will TMay end the campaign? I seem to recall Cameron always went to Carlisle (which in 2010 was very telling)....
    My working assumption is that she will be led by CCHQ analysis from Crosby/Messina (which we know is very good
    Which we know was good last time, and may still be good this time.

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    Scrapheap_as_wasScrapheap_as_was Posts: 10,059
    Coalition of chaos and/or OGH now editor at the Mirror too - a la Ozzie?

    https://twitter.com/amolrajanBBC/status/871810143956193280
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    glwglw Posts: 9,554

    kle4 said:

    CD13 said:

    Mr 64,

    "Karen carpenter has the best voice of all time for me."

    Now you're talking. Number two is probably Joan Baez.

    I haven't heard much of JB. I'll listen out for her. What's her best known song?
    She did a famous cover of Blowin' in the Wind, which is a good way to sample if you like her voice.
    Dianne Abbott?
    I had the same response, that's the trouble with reading this site, who we are talking about keeps changing. :)
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    maaarshmaaarsh Posts: 3,391
    kle4 said:

    Sometimes I think Abbott is there so that Tories start to get complacent again. I'm not watching her current performance, but even among my Corbynite acquaintances, who are very dimissive of the attacks on the nuclear and IRA issues, they were not fans of her.

    She finished by as good as admitting she's sacked on Friday. #asmince
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    SchardsSchards Posts: 210
    SeanT said:

    Jonathan said:

    SeanT said:

    Jonathan said:

    SeanT said:

    Jason said:


    I also know the sneering and snobbery aimed at Coldplay is rather pathetic.

    Coldplay, the Theresa May of 'rock' music.
    Prediction: in ten years Coldplay will be seen as unquestionably great. Their problem is they just got too popular, so insecure people (such as yourself, it seems) feel forced to prove their coolness - to separate themselves from the plebs - by sneering at them.

    This process happens time and again in pop music. The Bee Gees are an excellent example. Became massively famous, became as reviled as Coldplay. Now no one doubts their enormous talent.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XpqqjU7u5Yc

    100 million views. 100 million! And rightly so. A genius song.
    May is not the Bee Gees. She is not Coldplay. Both wrote their own tunes and demonstrated not only popularity ,but creativity.

    If May were a band, she would be Jive Bunny. Popular initially with her nostalgic remixes, but ultimately with nothing much to say.
    I agree! i never made the comparison. I was just pointing out that people like to sneer at very popular acts, but these acts are often - usually - very popular because they are very talented.

    Though I'm not sure TMay is *quite* as bad as Jive Bunny.
    I genuinely can't think of anything original from May. Nothing at all. Mostly carries on what Dave started. Borrows from Ed. Borrows from Nigel. Evokes Maggie through her gender. But offers nothing really of her own at all.

    It's remarkable really when you think about it. Not a single idea. Even John Major had his cones hotline.

    She's pretty disappointing. A decent Labour leader would be marmalising her

    But she's very likely to win and she's very likely to be negotiating Brexit so I'm just praying she has deeply hidden talents.

    And now, gin.
    Successfully negotiating a hugely complex agreement with the need for sensitivity and diplomacy is an entirely different skill set to having an impressive election campaign in the media based on soundbites and presentation skills
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    FloaterFloater Posts: 14,195
    Andrew said:

    Floater said:


    Laughing and wincing at same time

    This is one of Labour's best and brightest

    Didn't see, but hard to imagine it could get worse for Abbott.

    "Mao did more good than harm."

    “Though I was born here in London, I couldn’t identify as British”

    "...every defeat of the British state is a victory for all of us."
    Even with Dermot helping her out she was utterly, utterly shite.

    She had absolutely no idea what she was talking about.
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    paulyork64paulyork64 Posts: 2,461
    Alistair said:

    JonWC said:

    Coldplay fan who also saw them at Wembley.. easily the most impressive show I've ever seen. How many bands can play over twenty songs at a concert?

    Any half decent band that's been around for a few years?
    I remember when I first listened to the album "true" by Spandau ballet. Only 8 tracks! Wtf!?
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,979
    maaarsh said:

    kle4 said:

    Sometimes I think Abbott is there so that Tories start to get complacent again. I'm not watching her current performance, but even among my Corbynite acquaintances, who are very dimissive of the attacks on the nuclear and IRA issues, they were not fans of her.

    She finished by as good as admitting she's sacked on Friday. #asmince
    A promotion to Shadow Chancellor?
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    GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 19,085
    maaarsh said:

    kle4 said:

    Sometimes I think Abbott is there so that Tories start to get complacent again. I'm not watching her current performance, but even among my Corbynite acquaintances, who are very dimissive of the attacks on the nuclear and IRA issues, they were not fans of her.

    She finished by as good as admitting she's sacked on Friday. #asmince
    Can you elaborate please? What did she say?

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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,989

    Ooer....

    twitter.com/amolrajanBBC/status/871809625099730945

    Splitters!
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    Scrapheap_as_wasScrapheap_as_was Posts: 10,059
    maaarsh said:

    kle4 said:

    Sometimes I think Abbott is there so that Tories start to get complacent again. I'm not watching her current performance, but even among my Corbynite acquaintances, who are very dimissive of the attacks on the nuclear and IRA issues, they were not fans of her.

    She finished by as good as admitting she's sacked on Friday. #asmince
    I believe someone teased us with tipping her to be the next Labour leader a while ago here on PB.....
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,979

    Coalition of chaos and/or OGH now editor at the Mirror too - a la Ozzie?

    https://twitter.com/amolrajanBBC/status/871810143956193280

    While I don't like the assumption that anyone voting LD (or even Green) must presumably also want to Stop Tories as a priority, nice of someone to think about the LDs at this dark times. 2-13 on Hanretty I believe.
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    maaarshmaaarsh Posts: 3,391

    maaarsh said:

    kle4 said:

    Sometimes I think Abbott is there so that Tories start to get complacent again. I'm not watching her current performance, but even among my Corbynite acquaintances, who are very dimissive of the attacks on the nuclear and IRA issues, they were not fans of her.

    She finished by as good as admitting she's sacked on Friday. #asmince
    Can you elaborate please? What did she say?

    Asked if she was a liability who was being hidden, said she was shadow home secretary so it was natural for her to do interviews.

    Then asked if she expected to be home secretary on Friday - "well, the most important thing is that we win a majority which I'm confident we will, then we will see on Friday"
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    nichomarnichomar Posts: 7,483
    Floater said:

    tlg86 said:

    nichomar said:

    Bloody hell what is she on?

    She looked sedated. Soon snapped out of it when asked about Trump, though.
    Because she had no fucking clue what the reporter was on about

    He was kind, other reporters would have eviscerated her for that pile of shite.
    It was far better to let herself hang out to dry than pulling her to shreds which would only marginally improve the sympathy vote, how did she get past a constituency selection meeting, was their only one candidate?
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,534
    kle4 said:

    TudorRose said:

    HaroldO said:

    On topic, this is a very strange way to campaign to avert a landslide


    https://twitter.com/MichaelLCrick/status/871744304695443458

    It's a very odd way to campaign to win seats too.

    He can only be doing this so they can post videos online of him getting large crowds for his speeches....but then only hardcore fans would watch them.
    If this were Theresa May, I would think it meant something.

    But there could be a multitude of reasons Corbyn is visiting such seats.
    So where will TMay end the campaign? I seem to recall Cameron always went to Carlisle (which in 2010 was very telling)....
    My working assumption is that she will be led by CCHQ analysis from Crosby/Messina (which we know is very good
    Which we know was good last time, and may still be good this time.

    I have seen how good it is with my own eyes, on Saturday.
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    Stark_DawningStark_Dawning Posts: 9,320
    saddo said:

    JonWC said:

    Coldplay fan who also saw them at Wembley.. easily the most impressive show I've ever seen. How many bands can play over twenty songs at a concert?

    And how many great tunes did they leave out.

    Acoustic part from LA https://youtu.be/mak_Cu9Wl6w

    Enjoy all!
    By the way, who is that fat bloke and why is he on literally everything?
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    Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 30,993
    LucyJones said:

    O/T My older daughter sat her AS Government and Politics earlier today.

    The questions were:

    VOTING BEHAVIOUR

    1) Explain the term Safe seat

    2) Explain reasons for differential turnout between constituencies at General Elections.

    3) 'Voting behaviour at UK General elections is primarily down to the personalities of those seeking office, as opposed to their policies' Discuss

    ELECTORAL SYSTEMS

    1) Explain the term representative democracy

    2) Identify and explain two reasons why David Cameron decided to call the EU Referendum.

    3) 'The use of referendums since 1975 has done little to enhance democracy' Discuss


    I reckon most posters here would be nailed on for an easy "A" with those questions. (No A* grade for AS levels). My daughter thought it pretty easy, too - we'll find out if she did as well as she thought on results day in August.

    I am impressed. That is a good set of questions
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    LucyJonesLucyJones Posts: 651
    Pong said:

    LucyJones said:

    O/T My older daughter sat her AS Government and Politics earlier today.

    The questions were:

    VOTING BEHAVIOUR

    1) Explain the term Safe seat

    2) Explain reasons for differential turnout between constituencies at General Elections.

    3) 'Voting behaviour at UK General elections is primarily down to the personalities of those seeking office, as opposed to their policies' Discuss

    ELECTORAL SYSTEMS

    1) Explain the term representative democracy

    2) Identify and explain two reasons why David Cameron decided to call the EU Referendum.

    3) 'The use of referendums since 1975 has done little to enhance democracy' Discuss


    I reckon most posters here would be nailed on for an easy "A" with those questions. (No A* grade for AS levels). My daughter thought it pretty easy, too - we'll find out if she did as well as she thought on results day in August.

    I'd guess the higher marks would go to those who can make a convincing argument, and *also* contextualising + representing (and rebutting) opposing arguments.

    Quite hard when you're 17 and only have 15 mins per question...

    I recon most posters on here would do ok but struggle to get the highest grades.

    Good luck to your daughter!
    Thanks. She's still only 16 (summer birthday).
    She did work experience in the House of Lords last year and managed to get a seat in the gallery for PMQs, the first one after the referendum. She was sitting directly opposite Cameron (and above Corbyn) when Cameron uttered the lines "For goodness sake man, just go now!".

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    nichomarnichomar Posts: 7,483
    maaarsh said:

    maaarsh said:

    kle4 said:

    Sometimes I think Abbott is there so that Tories start to get complacent again. I'm not watching her current performance, but even among my Corbynite acquaintances, who are very dimissive of the attacks on the nuclear and IRA issues, they were not fans of her.

    She finished by as good as admitting she's sacked on Friday. #asmince
    Can you elaborate please? What did she say?

    Asked if she was a liability who was being hidden, said she was shadow home secretary so it was natural for her to do interviews.

    Then asked if she expected to be home secretary on Friday - "well, the most important thing is that we win a majority which I'm confident we will, then we will see on Friday"
    Should the five or six forces in London be amalgamated, she said they should cooperate, the report said amalgamate she said they should cooperate but I agree with the report
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    TudorRoseTudorRose Posts: 1,662
    LucyJones said:

    O/T My older daughter sat her AS Government and Politics earlier today.

    The questions were:

    VOTING BEHAVIOUR

    1) Explain the term Safe seat

    2) Explain reasons for differential turnout between constituencies at General Elections.

    3) 'Voting behaviour at UK General elections is primarily down to the personalities of those seeking office, as opposed to their policies' Discuss

    ELECTORAL SYSTEMS

    1) Explain the term representative democracy

    2) Identify and explain two reasons why David Cameron decided to call the EU Referendum.

    3) 'The use of referendums since 1975 has done little to enhance democracy' Discuss


    I reckon most posters here would be nailed on for an easy "A" with those questions. (No A* grade for AS levels). My daughter thought it pretty easy, too - we'll find out if she did as well as she thought on results day in August.

    And I spent hours revising AV.....!
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    FloaterFloater Posts: 14,195
    You know it was bad when none of the Labour leaners offer any form of defence
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    KentRisingKentRising Posts: 2,850
    edited June 2017
    I thought AS Levels had been scrapped?

    They are great questions and I'm glad kids are being taught/can choose to be taught this stuff. Certainly better than my miserable AS level geography about oxbox lakes.....
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    FloaterFloater Posts: 14,195
    oh - another moment that flummoxed Diane - Dermot asked her about Jezbollah talking to people who had sympathy with the views of ISIS
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    RestharrowRestharrow Posts: 233
    edited June 2017
    LucyJones said:

    Pong said:

    LucyJones said:

    O/T My older daughter sat her AS Government and Politics earlier today.

    The questions were:

    VOTING BEHAVIOUR

    1) Explain the term Safe seat

    2) Explain reasons for differential turnout between constituencies at General Elections.

    3) 'Voting behaviour at UK General elections is primarily down to the personalities of those seeking office, as opposed to their policies' Discuss

    ELECTORAL SYSTEMS

    1) Explain the term representative democracy

    2) Identify and explain two reasons why David Cameron decided to call the EU Referendum.

    3) 'The use of referendums since 1975 has done little to enhance democracy' Discuss


    I reckon most posters here would be nailed on for an easy "A" with those questions. (No A* grade for AS levels). My daughter thought it pretty easy, too - we'll find out if she did as well as she thought on results day in August.

    I'd guess the higher marks would go to those who can make a convincing argument, and *also* contextualising + representing (and rebutting) opposing arguments.

    Quite hard when you're 17 and only have 15 mins per question...

    I recon most posters on here would do ok but struggle to get the highest grades.

    Good luck to your daughter!
    Thanks. She's still only 16 (summer birthday).
    She did work experience in the House of Lords last year and managed to get a seat in the gallery for PMQs, the first one after the referendum. She was sitting directly opposite Cameron (and above Corbyn) when Cameron uttered the lines "For goodness sake man, just go now!".

    Is she busy on Friday? There's a 15% chance we'll be looking for a competent Home Secretary.
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,336
    nichomar said:

    Floater said:

    tlg86 said:

    nichomar said:

    Bloody hell what is she on?

    She looked sedated. Soon snapped out of it when asked about Trump, though.
    Because she had no fucking clue what the reporter was on about

    He was kind, other reporters would have eviscerated her for that pile of shite.
    It was far better to let herself hang out to dry than pulling her to shreds which would only marginally improve the sympathy vote, how did she get past a constituency selection meeting, was their only one candidate?
    She was almost certainly the only black woman, this being in the heyday of Militant and the Loony Left when things like gender and race were shall we say rather important.

    That said, although I've never been her biggest admirer I've been really shocked by her meltdown over this campaign. Is she suffering from some kind of illness?
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    JonathanJonathan Posts: 20,904
    LucyJones said:

    Pong said:

    LucyJones said:

    O/T My older daughter sat her AS Government and Politics earlier today.

    The questions were:

    VOTING BEHAVIOUR

    1) Explain the term Safe seat

    2) Explain reasons for differential turnout between constituencies at General Elections.

    3) 'Voting behaviour at UK General elections is primarily down to the personalities of those seeking office, as opposed to their policies' Discuss

    ELECTORAL SYSTEMS

    1) Explain the term representative democracy

    2) Identify and explain two reasons why David Cameron decided to call the EU Referendum.

    3) 'The use of referendums since 1975 has done little to enhance democracy' Discuss


    I reckon most posters here would be nailed on for an easy "A" with those questions. (No A* grade for AS levels). My daughter thought it pretty easy, too - we'll find out if she did as well as she thought on results day in August.

    I'd guess the higher marks would go to those who can make a convincing argument, and *also* contextualising + representing (and rebutting) opposing arguments.

    Quite hard when you're 17 and only have 15 mins per question...

    I recon most posters on here would do ok but struggle to get the highest grades.

    Good luck to your daughter!
    Thanks. She's still only 16 (summer birthday).
    She did work experience in the House of Lords last year and managed to get a seat in the gallery for PMQs, the first one after the referendum. She was sitting directly opposite Cameron (and above Corbyn) when Cameron uttered the lines "For goodness sake man, just go now!".

    What on Earth is work experience in Hol? A long nap?
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,979
    edited June 2017
    Jonathan said:

    LucyJones said:

    Pong said:

    LucyJones said:

    O/T My older daughter sat her AS Government and Politics earlier today.

    The questions were:

    VOTING BEHAVIOUR

    1) Explain the term Safe seat

    2) Explain reasons for differential turnout between constituencies at General Elections.

    3) 'Voting behaviour at UK General elections is primarily down to the personalities of those seeking office, as opposed to their policies' Discuss

    ELECTORAL SYSTEMS

    1) Explain the term representative democracy

    2) Identify and explain two reasons why David Cameron decided to call the EU Referendum.

    3) 'The use of referendums since 1975 has done little to enhance democracy' Discuss


    I reckon most posters here would be nailed on for an easy "A" with those questions. (No A* grade for AS levels). My daughter thought it pretty easy, too - we'll find out if she did as well as she thought on results day in August.

    I'd guess the higher marks would go to those who can make a convincing argument, and *also* contextualising + representing (and rebutting) opposing arguments.

    Quite hard when you're 17 and only have 15 mins per question...

    I recon most posters on here would do ok but struggle to get the highest grades.

    Good luck to your daughter!
    Thanks. She's still only 16 (summer birthday).
    She did work experience in the House of Lords last year and managed to get a seat in the gallery for PMQs, the first one after the referendum. She was sitting directly opposite Cameron (and above Corbyn) when Cameron uttered the lines "For goodness sake man, just go now!".

    What on Earth is work experience in Hol? A long nap?
    LOL.

    How to file an expenses claim.
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,370
    Surely the Eagles only have one song. You hear it, you wonder again how a bunch of dorks came up with that and then you go home.
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    Theresa in Bradford tonight - make of that what you will. Earlier in Ripon.

    http://www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/news/15329612.Prime_Minister_arrives_in_Bradford/
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    surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549
    ydoethur said:

    nichomar said:

    Floater said:

    tlg86 said:

    nichomar said:

    Bloody hell what is she on?

    She looked sedated. Soon snapped out of it when asked about Trump, though.
    Because she had no fucking clue what the reporter was on about

    He was kind, other reporters would have eviscerated her for that pile of shite.
    It was far better to let herself hang out to dry than pulling her to shreds which would only marginally improve the sympathy vote, how did she get past a constituency selection meeting, was their only one candidate?
    She was almost certainly the only black woman, this being in the heyday of Militant and the Loony Left when things like gender and race were shall we say rather important.

    That said, although I've never been her biggest admirer I've been really shocked by her meltdown over this campaign. Is she suffering from some kind of illness?
    I remember those days in London. Militant was anti black. In fact, Militant was against the middle class as well.
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,336

    I thought AS Levels had been scrapped?

    They are great questions and I'm glad kids are being taught/can choose to be taught this stuff. Certainly better than my miserable AS level geography about oxbox lakes.....

    No - politics is being reformed from next year anyway, so it is still on the old system (it's one of the last to change and is incidentally changing very much for the worse). However, the key thing is that AS levels under the new system no longer count towards A-levels. You can still do them, but they are a qualification worth half an A-level, rather than half of a full A-level.
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    MyBurningEarsMyBurningEars Posts: 3,651

    I thought AS Levels had been scrapped?

    No, but they are being delinked from A-levels - we are back to the situation in the early 1990s when AS levels and A levels were separate qualifications. Some students will continue taking AS levels e.g. to demonstrate what their likely final A-level grades will be. Also, not all the syllabuses have changed over yet (some have come on-stream before others) so there are still some legacy ones in operation where the first-year AS modules still count towards the final A-level.
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,979
    SeanT said:

    AndyJS said:

    Surely the best GE Bee Gees song is:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZY9oYSSjFI

    I once listened to this song about 50 times in a row, without a break. It's that good.
    Gosh, that is very good. I'd quite forgotten it.

    I reckon pop song writing is (ahem) a bit like thriller writing. People sneer at it (especially if it is popular) because it appears cheap and ubiquitous - sold in supermarkets like detergent. In reality, it is very difficult and few can do it well, hence the huge rewards if you get it right - as the Bee Gees clearly did.

    I think that's probably right. Critically acclaimed stuff is rarely the most popular stuff, which usually gets sneered at. I'm as guilty of that as anyone, and it is not as though everything that is popular is indeed good, with the passage of time, but some of it really is.
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    dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,289
    Diane Abbot demonstrating why Labour kept her away from interviews after Saturday's atrocity.

    https://twitter.com/TedJeory/status/871814247675777027
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,336
    surbiton said:

    ydoethur said:

    nichomar said:

    Floater said:

    tlg86 said:

    nichomar said:

    Bloody hell what is she on?

    She looked sedated. Soon snapped out of it when asked about Trump, though.
    Because she had no fucking clue what the reporter was on about

    He was kind, other reporters would have eviscerated her for that pile of shite.
    It was far better to let herself hang out to dry than pulling her to shreds which would only marginally improve the sympathy vote, how did she get past a constituency selection meeting, was their only one candidate?
    She was almost certainly the only black woman, this being in the heyday of Militant and the Loony Left when things like gender and race were shall we say rather important.

    That said, although I've never been her biggest admirer I've been really shocked by her meltdown over this campaign. Is she suffering from some kind of illness?
    I remember those days in London. Militant was anti black. In fact, Militant was against the middle class as well.
    That's more than a little surprising given they went through children's books seeking out caricatures of black people they could ban. I don't think Ms Abbott would thank you for calling her middle class either.
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,989
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    calum said:
    Wow! Poor SLAB
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    KentRisingKentRising Posts: 2,850
    ydoethur said:



    No - politics is being reformed from next year anyway, so it is still on the old system (it's one of the last to change and is incidentally changing very much for the worse). However, the key thing is that AS levels under the new system no longer count towards A-levels. You can still do them, but they are a qualification worth half an A-level, rather than half of a full A-level.

    Why is the Politics subject changing for the worse? Watered down?
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    TudorRoseTudorRose Posts: 1,662
    Pulpstar said:
    If Bradford South is in play then we are in landslide territory.
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    ChameleonChameleon Posts: 3,894

    I thought AS Levels had been scrapped?

    They are great questions and I'm glad kids are being taught/can choose to be taught this stuff. Certainly better than my miserable AS level geography about oxbox lakes.....

    As someone just about to be the first cohort through the new system, making A levels only be assessed at the end of the two years is great, imo.
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    tlg86tlg86 Posts: 25,204
    calum said:
    Probably the right thing to do if all they care about is stopping the Tories.
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