I have a theory on the youth impact on polling and the potential for it to influence the result. In crude terms we can split that age group into two different groups, roughly equal. One half is slightly more intelligent, more engaged with politics, willing to take part in polls and likes the freebies on offer.
Struggling to reconcile "intelligent" and "like the freebies on offer"
Doesn't add up literally or metaphorically...
I deliberately used the word slightly in terms of intelligence and was implying that free tuition fees and a write off of old loans was attractive. I then tried to compare, crudely, that the other group had no freebies on offer of interest to them and therefor did not have the same motivation, but thanks for your response.
I also know the sneering and snobbery aimed at Coldplay is rather pathetic.
Coldplay, the Theresa May of 'rock' music.
Prediction: in ten years Coldplay will be seen as unquestionably great. Their problem is they just got too popular, so insecure people (such as yourself, it seems) feel forced to prove their coolness - to separate themselves from the plebs - by sneering at them.
This process happens time and again in pop music. The Bee Gees are an excellent example. Became massively famous, became as reviled as Coldplay. Now no one doubts their enormous talent.
100 million views. 100 million! And rightly so. A genius song.
This insecure seeker after coolness (so very cutting from a secure personality like yersel') always liked the Bee Gees - Saturday Night Fever is a great movie, and so is the the soundtrack.
On thread, I pretty much agree with Don - I'll be delighted but surprised if we actually win, but the recovery from 20 points behind a month ago has been awesome, and I think Theresa's hope for a multiple blank cheque (let us negotiate something with unspecified priorities which will cost an unspecified amount which you'll pay for with unspecified tax rises) is going to be quite rightly denied.
Ah Nick: I thought you might join me in my lonely eyrie as someone prepared to say that Corbyn might just do it.
Have absolutely no model or basis for this. Only that when someone surprises on the upside, does not fall over or make any appalling gaffes and appears reasonable (however unjustifiable in reality this may be), their opponent does the opposite and the mood is for change, then strange (and to me unwelcome) things can happen.
There hasn't been one poll showing Corbyn with a plurality of seats, let alone a majority.
If he becomes PM it will be the biggest polling failure in the history of modern western politics.
No, he needs to be considerably closer than that. TMay will get all the Unionists, because they loathe Corbyn. I'm also really not sure the LDs would want to be tainted by Corbyn, in a government likely to fall apart in a few months, as the SNP and Labour fall out (which they would, and they could both be badly damaged by the association).
It really would be a Coalition of Chaos. Lab + SNP + Plaid (maybe). At least they would be united in their hatred of Britain.
Imagine a Corbyn government in real practical terms rather than a remote possibility. Propped up by Sturgeon and the other riff raff, he would be pulled to pieces by them and indeed his own party.
Sturgeon would eat him for breakfast, and he would start chucking concessions out like confetti. Imagine the reaction of the Unions. They would have more power than they did in the 60s and 70s, and Corbyn would be cowed by them.
The markets would tank, and business confidence and investment would drain out of this country overnight.
It really does not bear thinking about.
All the evidence is that Jezza is as stubborn as a mule, and not a pushover. Frankly, it is near impossible to pressure him into doing something that he doesn't want to do! Indeed his inflexibility may be an issue.
While Theresa seems rather likely to bend with the wind.
Corbyn is a rabble rousing old fool, and nothing much more than that.
A genuine dilemma: it's a long-time colleague's leaving do on Friday. A long lunch followed by a booze up has been planned. In Borough Market, right by the company office. Part of me says we should carry on as normal, another part says it would be wholly inappropriate. Thoughts?
Go. I doubt those grieving or injured will be offended. And who cares what the terrorists think. And those businesses are providing jobs and need your custom.
Do not be afraid. Pope John Paul II said that when he became Pope and again in Poland under Soviet control.
Regardless of who said it, it's a great way of living your life.
It's not fear, it's whether it's respectful. But, as you say, there is a bigger picture. I hadn't considered the businesses and jobs angle. That makes a lot of sense.
A genuine dilemma: it's a long-time colleague's leaving do on Friday. A long lunch followed by a booze up has been planned. In Borough Market, right by the company office. Part of me says we should carry on as normal, another part says it would be wholly inappropriate. Thoughts?
Go and celebrate
Yep, that's most likely. We'll see how it looks when they let us back in (looks like Wednesday at the earliest now). Celebrating next to makeshift shrines for the victims and police tape seems crass and insensitive, no matter how important it is to carry on as normal.
Perhaps you could consider making a donation to some suitable charity if you're worried about the possible insensitivity. But I would still go because your neighbouring businesses need your support.
Is it me, or is Think Tank an objectively weird description for a group?
The Think Tank had to outsource their thinking !
Very smart to get other people to do things for you - though clearly in that case they should only outsource to people who outsource that thinking as well.
Exactly. I've left instructions that if I'm ever in a coma, Abba should be played on a loop in the background - if that doesn't perk me up, switch me off.
On the office party, I think you should go ahead. The meriier the better. There's the obvious point about not letting the terrorists win, and slightly more subtly, if you were a victim, wouldn't you like the party to go ahead anyway?
as my coffin goes down the aisle Ive requested Fiesta by the Pogues
A genuine dilemma: it's a long-time colleague's leaving do on Friday. A long lunch followed by a booze up has been planned. In Borough Market, right by the company office. Part of me says we should carry on as normal, another part says it would be wholly inappropriate. Thoughts?
Start with a toast to the victims then enjoy yourself.you've done nothing wrong.
A genuine dilemma: it's a long-time colleague's leaving do on Friday. A long lunch followed by a booze up has been planned. In Borough Market, right by the company office. Part of me says we should carry on as normal, another part says it would be wholly inappropriate. Thoughts?
What evidence does Don Brind have that TM wanted a landslide to face down her party critics? Hopefully we will be spared a government of surrender monkeys.
A genuine dilemma: it's a long-time colleague's leaving do on Friday. A long lunch followed by a booze up has been planned. In Borough Market, right by the company office. Part of me says we should carry on as normal, another part says it would be wholly inappropriate. Thoughts?
Buy a round of drinks for the victims, toast them, donate the leftover cash to charity. Carry on.
A genuine dilemma: it's a long-time colleague's leaving do on Friday. A long lunch followed by a booze up has been planned. In Borough Market, right by the company office. Part of me says we should carry on as normal, another part says it would be wholly inappropriate. Thoughts?
Won't you be a bit tired after staying up all night watching the election results?
A genuine dilemma: it's a long-time colleague's leaving do on Friday. A long lunch followed by a booze up has been planned. In Borough Market, right by the company office. Part of me says we should carry on as normal, another part says it would be wholly inappropriate. Thoughts?
Go out and drink. I'm going to Old School Yard down the road from there on Friday. Don't let the bastards win. If anything you should get more drunk and merry than usual. Do it for the victims who I'm sure would all prefer their nightspots to keep going rather than not
I also know the sneering and snobbery aimed at Coldplay is rather pathetic.
Coldplay, the Theresa May of 'rock' music.
Prediction: in ten years Coldplay will be seen as unquestionably great. Their problem is they just got too popular, so insecure people (such as yourself, it seems) feel forced to prove their coolness - to separate themselves from the plebs - by sneering at them.
This process happens time and again in pop music. The Bee Gees are an excellent example. Became massively famous, became as reviled as Coldplay. Now no one doubts their enormous talent.
100 million views. 100 million! And rightly so. A genius song.
Yep. I used to refer to the Bee Gees as one of my guilty pleasures. Now they are just a pleasure and I don't care who knows it.
ABBA are the prime example of this phenomonen.
I finally bought The Visitors album last week, so I have all of them now (my parents loved Abba, so I heard it a lot in the car growing up in the late 80's-early 90's, their tastes must have transferred over to me somewhere)
A genuine dilemma: it's a long-time colleague's leaving do on Friday. A long lunch followed by a booze up has been planned. In Borough Market, right by the company office. Part of me says we should carry on as normal, another part says it would be wholly inappropriate. Thoughts?
Drink, man, drink! Party on! It's what they want us to stop doing, the miserable, Allah-bothering bastards.
I also know the sneering and snobbery aimed at Coldplay is rather pathetic.
Coldplay, the Theresa May of 'rock' music.
Prediction: in ten years Coldplay will be seen as unquestionably great. Their problem is they just got too popular, so insecure people (such as yourself, it seems) feel forced to prove their coolness - to separate themselves from the plebs - by sneering at them.
This process happens time and again in pop music. The Bee Gees are an excellent example. Became massively famous, became as reviled as Coldplay. Now no one doubts their enormous talent.
100 million views. 100 million! And rightly so. A genius song.
May is not the Bee Gees. She is not Coldplay. Both wrote their own tunes and demonstrated not only popularity ,but creativity.
If May were a band, she would be Jive Bunny. Popular initially with her nostalgic remixes, but ultimately with nothing much to say.
I agree! i never made the comparison. I was just pointing out that people like to sneer at very popular acts, but these acts are often - usually - very popular because they are very talented.
Though I'm not sure TMay is *quite* as bad as Jive Bunny.
I genuinely can't think of anything original from May. Nothing at all. Mostly carries on what Dave started. Borrows from Ed. Borrows from Nigel. Evokes Maggie through her gender. But offers nothing really of her own at all.
It's remarkable really when you think about it. Not a single idea. Even John Major had his cones hotline.
May is a curious blend of echoes of the past delivered in a overly self-conscious quirky English style. She's the political Flying Lizards.
I also know the sneering and snobbery aimed at Coldplay is rather pathetic.
Coldplay, the Theresa May of 'rock' music.
Prediction: in ten years Coldplay will be seen as unquestionably great. Their problem is they just got too popular, so insecure people (such as yourself, it seems) feel forced to prove their coolness - to separate themselves from the plebs - by sneering at them.
This process happens time and again in pop music. The Bee Gees are an excellent example. Became massively famous, became as reviled as Coldplay. Now no one doubts their enormous talent.
100 million views. 100 million! And rightly so. A genius song.
This insecure seeker after coolness (so very cutting from a secure personality like yersel') always liked the Bee Gees - Saturday Night Fever is a great movie, and so is the the soundtrack.
Exactly. I've left instructions that if I'm ever in a coma, Abba should be played on a loop in the background - if that doesn't perk me up, switch me off.
On the office party, I think you should go ahead. The meriier the better. There's the obvious point about not letting the terrorists win, and slightly more subtly, if you were a victim, wouldn't you like the party to go ahead anyway?
as my coffin goes down the aisle Ive requested Fiesta by the Pogues
I also know the sneering and snobbery aimed at Coldplay is rather pathetic.
Coldplay, the Theresa May of 'rock' music.
Prediction: in ten years Coldplay will be seen as unquestionably great. Their problem is they just got too popular, so insecure people (such as yourself, it seems) feel forced to prove their coolness - to separate themselves from the plebs - by sneering at them.
This process happens time and again in pop music. The Bee Gees are an excellent example. Became massively famous, became as reviled as Coldplay. Now no one doubts their enormous talent.
100 million views. 100 million! And rightly so. A genius song.
May is not the Bee Gees. She is not Coldplay. Both wrote their own tunes and demonstrated not only popularity ,but creativity.
If May were a band, she would be Jive Bunny. Popular initially with her nostalgic remixes, but ultimately with nothing much to say.
I agree! i never made the comparison. I was just pointing out that people like to sneer at very popular acts, but these acts are often - usually - very popular because they are very talented.
Though I'm not sure TMay is *quite* as bad as Jive Bunny.
I genuinely can't think of anything original from May. Nothing at all. Mostly carries on what Dave started. Borrows from Ed. Borrows from Nigel. Evokes Maggie through her gender. But offers nothing really of her own at all.
It's remarkable really when you think about it. Not a single idea. Even John Major had his cones hotline.
She's pretty disappointing. A decent Labour leader would be marmalising her
But she's very likely to win and she's very likely to be negotiating Brexit so I'm just praying she has deeply hidden talents.
And now, gin.
Likely to win? Honestly, this is going to be a landslide. I'm sticking to my prediction on this.
I also know the sneering and snobbery aimed at Coldplay is rather pathetic.
Coldplay, the Theresa May of 'rock' music.
Prediction: in ten years Coldplay will be seen as unquestionably great. Their problem is they just got too popular, so insecure people (such as yourself, it seems) feel forced to prove their coolness - to separate themselves from the plebs - by sneering at them.
This process happens time and again in pop music. The Bee Gees are an excellent example. Became massively famous, became as reviled as Coldplay. Now no one doubts their enormous talent.
100 million views. 100 million! And rightly so. A genius song.
Yep. I used to refer to the Bee Gees as one of my guilty pleasures. Now they are just a pleasure and I don't care who knows it.
ABBA are the prime example of this phenomonen.
Also Elton John, the Carpenters. Phil Collins and Genesis.
Coldplay aren't fit to lick Benny and Bjorn's spangly boots! 90% of their songs are instantly forgettable. Yellow and the one with the backwards video are the only things they've written that have made any lasting impression on my mind.
Also a terrible insult to the Bee Gees and Phil Collins to compare them to Chris Martin et al. Coldplay are more like Simple Minds, but without the interesting early stuff.
A genuine dilemma: it's a long-time colleague's leaving do on Friday. A long lunch followed by a booze up has been planned. In Borough Market, right by the company office. Part of me says we should carry on as normal, another part says it would be wholly inappropriate. Thoughts?
Drink, man, drink! Party on! It's what they want us to stop doing, the miserable, Allah-bothering bastards.
DRINK
Although, bizarrely, it seems the promised reward for these twats is a party in heaven with a load of virgin girls.
I also know the sneering and snobbery aimed at Coldplay is rather pathetic.
Coldplay, the Theresa May of 'rock' music.
Prediction: in ten years Coldplay will be seen as unquestionably great. Their problem is they just got too popular, so insecure people (such as yourself, it seems) feel forced to prove their coolness - to separate themselves from the plebs - by sneering at them.
This process happens time and again in pop music. The Bee Gees are an excellent example. Became massively famous, became as reviled as Coldplay. Now no one doubts their enormous talent.
100 million views. 100 million! And rightly so. A genius song.
Yep. I used to refer to the Bee Gees as one of my guilty pleasures. Now they are just a pleasure and I don't care who knows it.
ABBA are the prime example of this phenomonen.
I finally bought The Visitors album last week, so I have all of them now (my parents loved Abba, so I heard it a lot in the car growing up in the late 80's-early 90's, music/their tastes played by your parents can really rub off on you).
Indeed - my generation's parents loved ABBA, and I always found it very notable that in our sixth form common room, where CDs were always playing music, near everyone would stop and sing along when ABBA came on.
I have a whole bunch of singles which played endlessly on a loop on the radio, 936 and 1161, golden oldies, when I was ferried about in my mum's car. Rhinestone Cowboy, Mull of Kintyre, that sort of thing.
I also know the sneering and snobbery aimed at Coldplay is rather pathetic.
Coldplay, the Theresa May of 'rock' music.
Prediction: in ten years Coldplay will be seen as unquestionably great. Their problem is they just got too popular, so insecure people (such as yourself, it seems) feel forced to prove their coolness - to separate themselves from the plebs - by sneering at them.
This process happens time and again in pop music. The Bee Gees are an excellent example. Became massively famous, became as reviled as Coldplay. Now no one doubts their enormous talent.
100 million views. 100 million! And rightly so. A genius song.
May is not the Bee Gees. She is not Coldplay. Both wrote their own tunes and demonstrated not only popularity ,but creativity.
If May were a band, she would be Jive Bunny. Popular initially with her nostalgic remixes, but ultimately with nothing much to say.
I agree! i never made the comparison. I was just pointing out that people like to sneer at very popular acts, but these acts are often - usually - very popular because they are very talented.
Though I'm not sure TMay is *quite* as bad as Jive Bunny.
I genuinely can't think of anything original from May. Nothing at all. Mostly carries on what Dave started. Borrows from Ed. Borrows from Nigel. Evokes Maggie through her gender. But offers nothing really of her own at all.
It's remarkable really when you think about it. Not a single idea. Even John Major had his cones hotline.
She's pretty disappointing. A decent Labour leader would be marmalising her
But she's very likely to win and she's very likely to be negotiating Brexit so I'm just praying she has deeply hidden talents.
And now, gin.
Likely to win? Honestly, this is going to be a landslide. I'm sticking to my prediction on this.
I also know the sneering and snobbery aimed at Coldplay is rather pathetic.
Coldplay, the Theresa May of 'rock' music.
Prediction: in ten years Coldplay will be seen as unquestionably great. Their problem is they just got too popular, so insecure people (such as yourself, it seems) feel forced to prove their coolness - to separate themselves from the plebs - by sneering at them.
This process happens time and again in pop music. The Bee Gees are an excellent example. Became massively famous, became as reviled as Coldplay. Now no one doubts their enormous talent.
100 million views. 100 million! And rightly so. A genius song.
May is not the Bee Gees. She is not Coldplay. Both wrote their own tunes and demonstrated not only popularity ,but creativity.
If May were a band, she would be Jive Bunny. Popular initially with her nostalgic remixes, but ultimately with nothing much to say.
I agree! i never made the comparison. I was just pointing out that people like to sneer at very popular acts, but these acts are often - usually - very popular because they are very talented.
Though I'm not sure TMay is *quite* as bad as Jive Bunny.
I genuinely can't think of anything original from May. Nothing at all. Mostly carries on what Dave started. Borrows from Ed. Borrows from Nigel. Evokes Maggie through her gender. But offers nothing really of her own at all.
It's remarkable really when you think about it. Not a single idea. Even John Major had his cones hotline.
She's pretty disappointing. A decent Labour leader would be marmalising her
But she's very likely to win and she's very likely to be negotiating Brexit so I'm just praying she has deeply hidden talents.
And now, gin.
Likely to win? Honestly, this is going to be a landslide. I'm sticking to my prediction on this.
It is so am I .150 at least.
I'm going for 400+ Tory seats.
Labour will not know what has hit them. This surge nonsense is just that.
I also know the sneering and snobbery aimed at Coldplay is rather pathetic.
Coldplay, the Theresa May of 'rock' music.
Prediction: in ten years Coldplay will be seen as unquestionably great. Their problem is they just got too popular, so insecure people (such as yourself, it seems) feel forced to prove their coolness - to separate themselves from the plebs - by sneering at them.
This process happens time and again in pop music. The Bee Gees are an excellent example. Became massively famous, became as reviled as Coldplay. Now no one doubts their enormous talent.
100 million views. 100 million! And rightly so. A genius song.
May is not the Bee Gees. She is not Coldplay. Both wrote their own tunes and demonstrated not only popularity ,but creativity.
If May were a band, she would be Jive Bunny. Popular initially with her nostalgic remixes, but ultimately with nothing much to say.
I agree! i never made the comparison. I was just pointing out that people like to sneer at very popular acts, but these acts are often - usually - very popular because they are very talented.
Though I'm not sure TMay is *quite* as bad as Jive Bunny.
I genuinely can't think of anything original from May. Nothing at all. Mostly carries on what Dave started. Borrows from Ed. Borrows from Nigel. Evokes Maggie through her gender. But offers nothing really of her own at all.
It's remarkable really when you think about it. Not a single idea. Even John Major had his cones hotline.
She's pretty disappointing. A decent Labour leader would be marmalising her
But she's very likely to win and she's very likely to be negotiating Brexit so I'm just praying she has deeply hidden talents.
And now, gin.
Likely to win? Honestly, this is going to be a landslide. I'm sticking to my prediction on this.
It is so am I .150 at least.
I'm going for 400+ Tory seats.
Labour will not know what has hit them. This surge nonsense is just that.
What is your basis for this?
I think they'll win too, but I'm interested in why you think they'll get a landslide.
Mr. JS, it is very good. Heard it first on a short Spectator podcast.
Which reminds me, I need an election anthem. I went for the Avengers theme for the GE (violin version) and a piano version of Here I Go Again by Whitesnake for the referendum (before knowing the result). The agony of choice.
Anyway, I've got to bugger off. Have TV to watch and a tiny bit of work to try and do.
A genuine dilemma: it's a long-time colleague's leaving do on Friday. A long lunch followed by a booze up has been planned. In Borough Market, right by the company office. Part of me says we should carry on as normal, another part says it would be wholly inappropriate. Thoughts?
It looks like the PB panel thinks you oughta go. Sounds right to me. I only know about wakes from what I've read, but they can be both boisterous and respectful can they not?
Coldplay fan who also saw them at Wembley.. easily the most impressive show I've ever seen. How many bands can play over twenty songs at a concert?
Hmm. I think it is a generational thing. I saw your posting and my first thought was if I saw a band that played less than 20 songs I would feel cheated. But most of the bands I watch have been around for decades. Of those I have seen in the last couple of years
Springsteen regularly does 30 plus songs - 33 when I saw him at Coventry last year Fleetwood Mac did 23 at Leeds in 2015 The Eagles did 27 at Leeds the year before ELO did 20 at Nottingham
Even the young upstarts Suede did 27 at Leeds last year.
I saw Paul Simon play for almost four hours a few years ago. I didn't count how many songs he sung, but it was a lot.
Coldplay fan who also saw them at Wembley.. easily the most impressive show I've ever seen. How many bands can play over twenty songs at a concert?
Hmm. I think it is a generational thing. I saw your posting and my first thought was if I saw a band that played less than 20 songs I would feel cheated. But most of the bands I watch have been around for decades. Of those I have seen in the last couple of years
Springsteen regularly does 30 plus songs - 33 when I saw him at Coventry last year Fleetwood Mac did 23 at Leeds in 2015 The Eagles did 27 at Leeds the year before ELO did 20 at Nottingham
Even the young upstarts Suede did 27 at Leeds last year.
I saw Paul Simon play for almost four hours a few years ago. I didn't count how many songs he sung, but it was a lot.
Labour will not know what has hit them. This surge nonsense is just that.
We shall see. I have an instinctive 'no smoke without fire' reaction to so much polling showing a surge, even though I know that is a fallacy and try not to overdo it. I do think it still likely that Labour will have recovered somewhat - the LDs weren't really advancing much even before the surge, and the campaign has been good, so I can believe some people returning who were planning to sit things out - even though I don't think it can be as much it seems.
I also know the sneering and snobbery aimed at Coldplay is rather pathetic.
Coldplay, the Theresa May of 'rock' music.
Prediction: in ten years Coldplay will be seen as unquestionably great. Their problem is they just got too popular, so insecure people (such as yourself, it seems) feel forced to prove their coolness - to separate themselves from the plebs - by sneering at them.
This process happens time and again in pop music. The Bee Gees are an excellent example. Became massively famous, became as reviled as Coldplay. Now no one doubts their enormous talent.
100 million views. 100 million! And rightly so. A genius song.
May is not the Bee Gees. She is not Coldplay. Both wrote their own tunes and demonstrated not only popularity ,but creativity.
If May were a band, she would be Jive Bunny. Popular initially with her nostalgic remixes, but ultimately with nothing much to say.
I agree! i never made the comparison. I was just pointing out that people like to sneer at very popular acts, but these acts are often - usually - very popular because they are very talented.
Though I'm not sure TMay is *quite* as bad as Jive Bunny.
I genuinely can't think of anything original from May. Nothing at all. Mostly carries on what Dave started. Borrows from Ed. Borrows from Nigel. Evokes Maggie through her gender. But offers nothing really of her own at all.
It's remarkable really when you think about it. Not a single idea. Even John Major had his cones hotline.
She's pretty disappointing. A decent Labour leader would be marmalising her
But she's very likely to win and she's very likely to be negotiating Brexit so I'm just praying she has deeply hidden talents.
And now, gin.
Likely to win? Honestly, this is going to be a landslide. I'm sticking to my prediction on this.
It is so am I .150 at least.
I'm going for 400+ Tory seats.
Labour will not know what has hit them. This surge nonsense is just that.
What is your basis for this?
I think they'll win too, but I'm interested in why you think they'll get a landslide.
I think it all depend on what's uppermost in voters' minds as they enter the polling stations. If it's security/defence, 400 Tory seats is very possible. If it's care homes, NHS, schools, etc. they could be 50 seats lower.
I also know the sneering and snobbery aimed at Coldplay is rather pathetic.
Coldplay, the Theresa May of 'rock' music.
Prediction: in ten years Coldplay will be seen as unquestionably great. Their problem is they just got too popular, so insecure people (such as yourself, it seems) feel forced to prove their coolness - to separate themselves from the plebs - by sneering at them.
This process happens time and again in pop music. The Bee Gees are an excellent example. Became massively famous, became as reviled as Coldplay. Now no one doubts their enormous talent.
100 million views. 100 million! And rightly so. A genius song.
Yep. I used to refer to the Bee Gees as one of my guilty pleasures. Now they are just a pleasure and I don't care who knows it.
ABBA are the prime example of this phenomonen.
Also Elton John, the Carpenters. Phil Collins and Genesis.
Coldplay aren't fit to lick Benny and Bjorn's spangly boots! 90% of their songs are instantly forgettable. Yellow and the one with the backwards video are the only things they've written that have made any lasting impression on my mind.
Also a terrible insult to the Bee Gees and Phil Collins to compare them to Chris Martin et al. Coldplay are more like Simple Minds, but without the interesting early stuff.
Karen carpenter has the best voice of all time for me.
I also know the sneering and snobbery aimed at Coldplay is rather pathetic.
Coldplay, the Theresa May of 'rock' music.
Prediction: in ten years Coldplay will be seen as unquestionably great. Their problem is they just got too popular, so insecure people (such as yourself, it seems) feel forced to prove their coolness - to separate themselves from the plebs - by sneering at them.
This process happens time and again in pop music. The Bee Gees are an excellent example. Became massively famous, became as reviled as Coldplay. Now no one doubts their enormous talent.
100 million views. 100 million! And rightly so. A genius song.
May is not the Bee Gees. She is not Coldplay. Both wrote their own tunes and demonstrated not only popularity ,but creativity.
If May were a band, she would be Jive Bunny. Popular initially with her nostalgic remixes, but ultimately with nothing much to say.
I agree! i never made the comparison. I was just pointing out that people like to sneer at very popular acts, but these acts are often - usually - very popular because they are very talented.
Though I'm not sure TMay is *quite* as bad as Jive Bunny.
I genuinely can't think of anything original from May. Nothing at all. Mostly carries on what Dave started. Borrows from Ed. Borrows from Nigel. Evokes Maggie through her gender. But offers nothing really of her own at all.
It's remarkable really when you think about it. Not a single idea. Even John Major had his cones hotline.
She's pretty disappointing. A decent Labour leader would be marmalising her
But she's very likely to win and she's very likely to be negotiating Brexit so I'm just praying she has deeply hidden talents.
And now, gin.
Likely to win? Honestly, this is going to be a landslide. I'm sticking to my prediction on this.
It is so am I .150 at least.
I'm going for 400+ Tory seats.
Labour will not know what has hit them. This surge nonsense is just that.
What is your basis for this?
I think they'll win too, but I'm interested in why you think they'll get a landslide.
I would guess on the basis that pre-election call that seemed perfectly possible, that real elections showed there was some basis to those thoughts, and on the assumption that campaigns don't change things so quickly so much.
What I meant is the newspapers/broadcasters often have stories of imams or "community leaders" condemning these attacks but they never feature them prominently. They'll do it as a small news brief in the corner, if that.
FPT: Ishmael said: That is genuinely excellent to hear, but it needs airtime. We want the arch-imam on prime time tv. I don't buy the idea that it is best targeted in sermons only, because I'd like to get the secular muslims actively onside rather than pigeonholing it as a theological issue. And note that many/most bombers turn out to have had a distinctly secular booze n women lifestyle prior to radicalisation.
Coldplay fan who also saw them at Wembley.. easily the most impressive show I've ever seen. How many bands can play over twenty songs at a concert?
Hmm. I think it is a generational thing. I saw your posting and my first thought was if I saw a band that played less than 20 songs I would feel cheated. But most of the bands I watch have been around for decades. Of those I have seen in the last couple of years
Springsteen regularly does 30 plus songs - 33 when I saw him at Coventry last year Fleetwood Mac did 23 at Leeds in 2015 The Eagles did 27 at Leeds the year before ELO did 20 at Nottingham
Even the young upstarts Suede did 27 at Leeds last year.
I saw Paul Simon play for almost four hours a few years ago. I didn't count how many songs he sung, but it was a lot.
I remember going to see Lenny Kravitz Just after the 7/7 bombings and he was on stage for around 3 hours, some of which was just him and his band jamming and doing covers of songs about togetherness and love. It is one of the best gigs I've been to.
I also know the sneering and snobbery aimed at Coldplay is rather pathetic.
Coldplay, the Theresa May of 'rock' music.
Prediction: in ten years Coldplay will be seen as unquestionably great. Their problem is they just got too popular, so insecure people (such as yourself, it seems) feel forced to prove their coolness - to separate themselves from the plebs - by sneering at them.
This process happens time and again in pop music. The Bee Gees are an excellent example. Became massively famous, became as reviled as Coldplay. Now no one doubts their enormous talent.
100 million views. 100 million! And rightly so. A genius song.
May is not the Bee Gees. She is not Coldplay. Both wrote their own tunes and demonstrated not only popularity ,but creativity.
If May were a band, she would be Jive Bunny. Popular initially with her nostalgic remixes, but ultimately with nothing much to say.
I agree! i never made the comparison. I was just pointing out that people like to sneer at very popular acts, but these acts are often - usually - very popular because they are very talented.
Though I'm not sure TMay is *quite* as bad as Jive Bunny.
I genuinely can't think of anything original from May. Nothing at all. Mostly carries on what Dave started. Borrows from Ed. Borrows from Nigel. Evokes Maggie through her gender. But offers nothing really of her own at all.
It's remarkable really when you think about it. Not a single idea. Even John Major had his cones hotline.
I was scanning the Conservative Party manifesto and came across something I hadn't heard of before. They plan to create nine* Her Majesty's Commissioners for Trade after Brexit. I did some googling. It seems these dated back to the empire. Their job was to make sure the colonies made their necessary economic contributions to the mother country.
* John McDonnell's quip about the only numbers in the manifesto are page numbers isn't quite true. There are a half dozen or so numbers. This is one.
CON holding on despite difficult campaign and useless manifesto Poor results in London and South likely to be more than offset by better results elsewhere including Scotland
CON 44% LAB 34% LD 8% UKIP 4% GRN 3% SNP 3% OTH 4%
CON 348 LAB 232 LD 5 UKIP 0 GRN 1 SNP 43 PC 3 OTH 18
A genuine dilemma: it's a long-time colleague's leaving do on Friday. A long lunch followed by a booze up has been planned. In Borough Market, right by the company office. Part of me says we should carry on as normal, another part says it would be wholly inappropriate. Thoughts?
It looks like the PB panel thinks you oughta go. Sounds right to me. I only know about wakes from what I've read, but they can be both boisterous and respectful can they not?
Labour will not know what has hit them. This surge nonsense is just that.
I just can't see it now. The feeling I get is there is a groundswell against the Tories after 7 years of government, and I do expect more younger people to turn out and support Corbyn that Miliband.
In the end, I suspect that there will be a cling to nurse feel amongst many traditional swing voters, who may have toyed with a different vote, and that should be enough for a comfortable working majority. But landslide? It just doesn't feel like that now. The places the Tories need to win look a bit remote for them now that some polls have them down to 1-4%. I think they're overstating Labour, but I can't see them being that far out.
I also know the sneering and snobbery aimed at Coldplay is rather pathetic.
Coldplay, the Theresa May of 'rock' music.
Prediction: in ten years Coldplay will be seen as unquestionably great. Their problem is they just got too popular, so insecure people (such as yourself, it seems) feel forced to prove their coolness - to separate themselves from the plebs - by sneering at them.
This process happens time and again in pop music. The Bee Gees are an excellent example. Became massively famous, became as reviled as Coldplay. Now no one doubts their enormous talent.
100 million views. 100 million! And rightly so. A genius song.
Yep. I used to refer to the Bee Gees as one of my guilty pleasures. Now they are just a pleasure and I don't care who knows it.
ABBA are the prime example of this phenomonen.
Also Elton John, the Carpenters. Phil Collins and Genesis.
Coldplay aren't fit to lick Benny and Bjorn's spangly boots! 90% of their songs are instantly forgettable. Yellow and the one with the backwards video are the only things they've written that have made any lasting impression on my mind.
Also a terrible insult to the Bee Gees and Phil Collins to compare them to Chris Martin et al. Coldplay are more like Simple Minds, but without the interesting early stuff.
Karen carpenter has the best voice of all time for me.
It was amazing.
Annie Lennox (when with the Eurythmics) and Stevie Nicks (when in her pomp) are particular favorite female voices I really enjoy listening to.
I think it all depend on what's uppermost in voters' minds as they enter the polling stations. If it's security/defence, 400 Tory seats is very possible. If it's care homes, NHS, schools, etc. they could be 50 seats lower.
Except not everyone thinks about security/defence and thinks the Tories are the best, as this stuff on police cuts shows - although my jaunt with corbynistas at the weekend was illuminating, I've heard similar from some others today.
I think everyone is going to wake up to a 120-125 seat Con majority on Friday. The mood music has changed after Saturday night, even within the London liberal bubble that is my social group.
I never decide until the last moment. Not that it matters: the Tories are going to win a stupendous majority in this area.
Our postal votes went in a week ago for the conservatives of course
Do you live in one of those Tory targets in north Wales like Wrexham or Delyn?
No Aberconwy for Guto Bebb. Watched a report a couple of days ago on ITV Wales on Delyn and Wrexham very good for conservatives just wanting out of Europe
I also know the sneering and snobbery aimed at Coldplay is rather pathetic.
Coldplay, the Theresa May of 'rock' music.
Prediction: in ten years Coldplay will be seen as unquestionably great. Their problem is they just got too popular, so insecure people (such as yourself, it seems) feel forced to prove their coolness - to separate themselves from the plebs - by sneering at them.
This process happens time and again in pop music. The Bee Gees are an excellent example. Became massively famous, became as reviled as Coldplay. Now no one doubts their enormous talent.
100 million views. 100 million! And rightly so. A genius song.
Yep. I used to refer to the Bee Gees as one of my guilty pleasures. Now they are just a pleasure and I don't care who knows it.
ABBA are the prime example of this phenomonen.
Also Elton John, the Carpenters. Phil Collins and Genesis.
Coldplay aren't fit to lick Benny and Bjorn's spangly boots! 90% of their songs are instantly forgettable. Yellow and the one with the backwards video are the only things they've written that have made any lasting impression on my mind.
Also a terrible insult to the Bee Gees and Phil Collins to compare them to Chris Martin et al. Coldplay are more like Simple Minds, but without the interesting early stuff.
Karen carpenter has the best voice of all time for me.
Music is a generational thing, once you stop taking a major interest in it very little happens to change your views, You may register a "good" song but won't know who sang it. I live in a musical time warp where nothing Has happened since 1975, the Beatles are progressive and the stones are hard rock. In afew years time the warp will shift And it will be the Who, Elton John etc being what people want but I do live in a community who's average age is 75. A night out is like an afternoon in a UK day centre.
CON holding on despite difficult campaign and useless manifesto Poor results in London and South likely to be more than offset by better results elsewhere including Scotland
CON 44% LAB 34% LD 8% UKIP 4% GRN 3% SNP 3% OTH 4%
CON 348 LAB 232 LD 5 UKIP 0 GRN 1 SNP 43 PC 3 OTH 18
CON maj 46
Interesting figures, although I'd have thought a 10 point lead would deliver a bigger majority than 46.
A genuine dilemma: it's a long-time colleague's leaving do on Friday. A long lunch followed by a booze up has been planned. In Borough Market, right by the company office. Part of me says we should carry on as normal, another part says it would be wholly inappropriate. Thoughts?
Go. Do not change your plans other than to eat and drink more the usual, and leave an excessively large tip.
I would guess on the basis that pre-election call that seemed perfectly possible, that real elections showed there was some basis to those thoughts, and on the assumption that campaigns don't change things so quickly so much.
True. @AndyJS's FT link would appear to corroborate that.
CON holding on despite difficult campaign and useless manifesto Poor results in London and South likely to be more than offset by better results elsewhere including Scotland
CON 44% LAB 34% LD 8% UKIP 4% GRN 3% SNP 3% OTH 4%
CON 348 LAB 232 LD 5 UKIP 0 GRN 1 SNP 43 PC 3 OTH 18
Coldplay fan who also saw them at Wembley.. easily the most impressive show I've ever seen. How many bands can play over twenty songs at a concert?
Hmm. I think it is a generational thing. I saw your posting and my first thought was if I saw a band that played less than 20 songs I would feel cheated. But most of the bands I watch have been around for decades. Of those I have seen in the last couple of years
Springsteen regularly does 30 plus songs - 33 when I saw him at Coventry last year Fleetwood Mac did 23 at Leeds in 2015 The Eagles did 27 at Leeds the year before ELO did 20 at Nottingham
Even the young upstarts Suede did 27 at Leeds last year.
I saw Paul Simon play for almost four hours a few years ago. I didn't count how many songs he sung, but it was a lot.
I remember going to see Lenny Kravitz Just after the 7/7 bombings and he was on stage for around 3 hours, some of which was just him and his band jamming and doing covers of songs about togetherness and love. It is one of the best gigs I've been to.
Aren't Grateful Dead the winners of this competition, every time?
CON holding on despite difficult campaign and useless manifesto Poor results in London and South likely to be more than offset by better results elsewhere including Scotland
CON 44% LAB 34% LD 8% UKIP 4% GRN 3% SNP 3% OTH 4%
CON 348 LAB 232 LD 5 UKIP 0 GRN 1 SNP 43 PC 3 OTH 18
CON maj 46
46 majority on a 10 point gap seems a little low - piling up votes in safe seats?
CON holding on despite difficult campaign and useless manifesto Poor results in London and South likely to be more than offset by better results elsewhere including Scotland
CON 44% LAB 34% LD 8% UKIP 4% GRN 3% SNP 3% OTH 4%
CON 348 LAB 232 LD 5 UKIP 0 GRN 1 SNP 43 PC 3 OTH 18
CON maj 46
46 majority on a 10 point gap seems a little low - piling up votes in safe seats?
It is possible we will do particularly well with ex UKIP in rural/semi-rural areas where we already hold the seats.
I also know the sneering and snobbery aimed at Coldplay is rather pathetic.
Coldplay, the Theresa May of 'rock' music.
Prediction: in ten years Coldplay will be seen as unquestionably great. Their problem is they just got too popular, so insecure people (such as yourself, it seems) feel forced to prove their coolness - to separate themselves from the plebs - by sneering at them.
This process happens time and again in pop music. The Bee Gees are an excellent example. Became massively famous, became as reviled as Coldplay. Now no one doubts their enormous talent.
100 million views. 100 million! And rightly so. A genius song.
May is not the Bee Gees. She is not Coldplay. Both wrote their own tunes and demonstrated not only popularity ,but creativity.
If May were a band, she would be Jive Bunny. Popular initially with her nostalgic remixes, but ultimately with nothing much to say.
I agree! i never made the comparison. I was just pointing out that people like to sneer at very popular acts, but these acts are often - usually - very popular because they are very talented.
Though I'm not sure TMay is *quite* as bad as Jive Bunny.
I genuinely can't think of anything original from May. Nothing at all. Mostly carries on what Dave started. Borrows from Ed. Borrows from Nigel. Evokes Maggie through her gender. But offers nothing really of her own at all.
It's remarkable really when you think about it. Not a single idea. Even John Major had his cones hotline.
snip.
Likely to win? Honestly, this is going to be a landslide. I'm sticking to my prediction on this.
It is so am I .150 at least.
I'm going for 400+ Tory seats.
Labour will not know what has hit them. This surge nonsense is just that.
What is your basis for this?
I think they'll win too, but I'm interested in why you think they'll get a landslide.
I would guess on the basis that pre-election call that seemed perfectly possible, that real elections showed there was some basis to those thoughts, and on the assumption that campaigns don't change things so quickly so much.
My basis is entirely gut rather than data points, although they are looking good.
I had a wobble mid-point where my guts started going weird but ok now.
I also know the sneering and snobbery aimed at Coldplay is rather pathetic.
Coldplay, the Theresa May of 'rock' music.
Prediction: in ten years Coldplay will be seen as unquestionably great. Their problem is they just got too popular, so insecure people (such as yourself, it seems) feel forced to prove their coolness - to separate themselves from the plebs - by sneering at them.
This process happens time and again in pop music. The Bee Gees are an excellent example. Became massively famous, became as reviled as Coldplay. Now no one doubts their enormous talent.
100 million views. 100 million! And rightly so. A genius song.
May is not the Bee Gees. She is not Coldplay. Both wrote their own tunes and demonstrated not only popularity ,but creativity.
If May were a band, she would be Jive Bunny. Popular initially with her nostalgic remixes, but ultimately with nothing much to say.
I agree! i never made the comparison. I was just pointing out that people like to sneer at very popular acts, but these acts are often - usually - very popular because they are very talented.
Though I'm not sure TMay is *quite* as bad as Jive Bunny.
I genuinely can't think of anything original from May. Nothing at all. Mostly carries on what Dave started. Borrows from Ed. Borrows from Nigel. Evokes Maggie through her gender. But offers nothing really of her own at all.
It's remarkable really when you think about it. Not a single idea. Even John Major had his cones hotline.
May is a curious blend of echoes of the past delivered in a overly self-conscious quirky English style. She's the political Flying Lizards.
The Bonzo Dog Doo-Dah Band? "Adolf Hitler on vibes – nice!"
I think everyone is going to wake up to a 120-125 seat Con majority on Friday. The mood music has changed after Saturday night, even within the London liberal bubble that is my social group.
Maybe even higher. The public have decided on Labour's bonkers experiment and will quietly deliver their verdict.
I think everyone is going to wake up to a 120-125 seat Con majority on Friday. The mood music has changed after Saturday night, even within the London liberal bubble that is my social group.
I have noticed the same thing within my London bubble.
The Corbynites in my life (in real life and on social media) have started sounding shrill, angry, desperate. It's a big tonal shift from where we were last week. They've gone from being optimistic and cheerful to hectoring and nasty. The bubble has burst.
CON holding on despite difficult campaign and useless manifesto Poor results in London and South likely to be more than offset by better results elsewhere including Scotland
CON 44% LAB 34% LD 8% UKIP 4% GRN 3% SNP 3% OTH 4%
CON 348 LAB 232 LD 5 UKIP 0 GRN 1 SNP 43 PC 3 OTH 18
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Thought he wanted to go to Real
https://uk.video.search.yahoo.com/search/video;_ylt=A9mSs28DpTVZzEIAqdxLBQx.;_ylu=X3oDMTByZmVxM3N0BGNvbG8DaXIyBHBvcwMxBHZ0aWQDBHNlYwNzYw--?p=pogues+fiesta&fr=mcafee#id=11&vid=98d79a1529121f9792f4a6375e38f0c8&action=view
I never decide until the last moment. Not that it matters: the Tories are going to win a stupendous majority in this area.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=93WRQ8HT_WA
https://twitter.com/jon_halsall/status/871777991260602375
Thick Yoons, hope they were charged a fortune.
Also a terrible insult to the Bee Gees and Phil Collins to compare them to Chris Martin et al. Coldplay are more like Simple Minds, but without the interesting early stuff.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZY9oYSSjFI
May had a very good, long honeymoon. Unfortunately, she's been shown up to be a not-so-good campaigner when it matters.
That said, if she gets a majority of 60-80ish or above, she'll get some breathing space for a while.
I have a whole bunch of singles which played endlessly on a loop on the radio, 936 and 1161, golden oldies, when I was ferried about in my mum's car. Rhinestone Cowboy, Mull of Kintyre, that sort of thing.
.....
I wonder if this is how other people feel when I refer to the disastrous Angeli dynasty of the Eastern Roman Empire.
Labour will not know what has hit them. This surge nonsense is just that.
I think they'll win too, but I'm interested in why you think they'll get a landslide.
Which reminds me, I need an election anthem. I went for the Avengers theme for the GE (violin version) and a piano version of Here I Go Again by Whitesnake for the referendum (before knowing the result). The agony of choice.
Anyway, I've got to bugger off. Have TV to watch and a tiny bit of work to try and do.
FPT:
Ishmael said:
That is genuinely excellent to hear, but it needs airtime. We want the arch-imam on prime time tv. I don't buy the idea that it is best targeted in sermons only, because I'd like to get the secular muslims actively onside rather than pigeonholing it as a theological issue. And note that many/most bombers turn out to have had a distinctly secular booze n women lifestyle prior to radicalisation.
"Karen carpenter has the best voice of all time for me."
Now you're talking. Number two is probably Joan Baez.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/jun/05/the-guardian-view-on-the-election-in-scotland-a-chance-to-puncture-mays-complacency?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
"Asked if Labour was heading for a good night, one well-placed party source replied: “No. Not at all. Not one bit. They are all wrong.”"
https://www.ft.com/content/39dd413a-47b5-11e7-8519-9f94ee97d996?mhq5j=e3
(Google it to read).
Con Maj 102 (+2)
Another Lab seat bites the dust.
* John McDonnell's quip about the only numbers in the manifesto are page numbers isn't quite true. There are a half dozen or so numbers. This is one.
CON holding on despite difficult campaign and useless manifesto
Poor results in London and South likely to be more than offset by better results elsewhere including Scotland
CON 44%
LAB 34%
LD 8%
UKIP 4%
GRN 3%
SNP 3%
OTH 4%
CON 348
LAB 232
LD 5
UKIP 0
GRN 1
SNP 43
PC 3
OTH 18
CON maj 46
In the end, I suspect that there will be a cling to nurse feel amongst many traditional swing voters, who may have toyed with a different vote, and that should be enough for a comfortable working majority. But landslide? It just doesn't feel like that now. The places the Tories need to win look a bit remote for them now that some polls have them down to 1-4%. I think they're overstating Labour, but I can't see them being that far out.
Annie Lennox (when with the Eurythmics) and Stevie Nicks (when in her pomp) are particular favorite female voices I really enjoy listening to.
You may register a "good" song but won't know who sang it. I live in a musical time warp where nothing
Has happened since 1975, the Beatles are progressive and the stones are hard rock. In afew years time the warp will shift
And it will be the Who, Elton John etc being what people want but I do live in a community who's average age is 75.
A night out is like an afternoon in a UK day centre.
Sev Carrell & Michael White will be grinding their teeth.
I had a wobble mid-point where my guts started going weird but ok now.
The Corbynites in my life (in real life and on social media) have started sounding shrill, angry, desperate. It's a big tonal shift from where we were last week. They've gone from being optimistic and cheerful to hectoring and nasty. The bubble has burst.
But there could be a multitude of reasons Corbyn is visiting such seats.