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  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 28,796
    Genuinely drowning on the figures on Dementia
  • bardigianibardigiani Posts: 19

    Sandpit said:

    May sounds a bit nervous tbh. Have to wonder why she ran for the leadership....

    Cameron (and Blair before him) were really quite exceptionally good at public speaking.
    But even Corbyn is better at public speaking than her tbh and he was deemed unelectable by people like me.
    Corbyn is unelectable because of his extreme left wing policies and his cosying up with terrorists.

  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,637
    Getting worse and worse now on Dementia Tax
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,774
    That floor/cap answer is cr*p
  • notmenotme Posts: 3,293

    Should steady a few nerves so far.


    We need to get on to shakier ground

    Grannys House Theft

    NHS

    Schools

    AUSTERITY

    What austerity?
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,774
    RobD said:

    Cyan said:

    Is that a glucose monitor on her right wrist? Does she normally wear one?

    Keeping an eye out in case she collapses?
    Urgent exit required?
  • MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,664
    She got through "dementia" issue as well as could have hoped.
  • SchardsSchards Posts: 210
    The 1/50 'nurse asking a question' bet lands
  • The Dementia Tax is a truly awful policy. Given their core vote, it is utter stupidity.
  • BlueberryBlueberry Posts: 408
    Thought may did well on social care there. Feel like I half understand it now!
  • The_ApocalypseThe_Apocalypse Posts: 7,830
    I don't think she's actually been that bad on the Dementia Tax. The issue is that she sounds so nervous, and not at all very confident. She has some better moments, but overall she's on Gordon Brown levels in terms of public speaking.
  • chloechloe Posts: 308

    Getting worse and worse now on Dementia Tax

    It is the right policy although the manifesto should have included the cap.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,314
    Here comes 'a nurse' - what chance she's a union rep?
  • MattyNethMattyNeth Posts: 60
    Very difficult questions on nursing salaries. Ouch!
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 56,928
    Ashcroft seems to have the LDs winning... oohhh... about two seats: Ceredgion and Westmoreland and Lonsdale.

    I think his Scottish numbers are particularly dodgy, as they see the SNP win lots of seats on c. 35% against split opposition. If there's one thing we learned from Holyrood last year, it's that Scots vote tactically.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,153
    edited June 2017

    Getting worse and worse now on Dementia Tax

    One assumes the PCP will pull the plug on this Dementia Tax stuff...
  • bobajobPBbobajobPB Posts: 1,042
    IanB2 said:

    RobD said:

    Cyan said:

    Is that a glucose monitor on her right wrist? Does she normally wear one?

    Keeping an eye out in case she collapses?
    Urgent exit required?
    This stuff about her diabetes is a bit harsh, to be fair, I'm not having a go at you or Cyan but I reckon it should be off limits!
  • spire2spire2 Posts: 183
    Yes its total nonsense
    IanB2 said:

    That floor/cap answer is cr*p

  • JackWJackW Posts: 14,787

    AndyJS said:

    Chris said:

    I hadn't seen that Tim Farron has again refused to say whether he thinks it's a sin to be homosexual.

    Does he have some kind of death wish?

    Isn't he entitled to his personal views?
    Not really. I have tried to word an answer three times and each time I have deleted before posting.
    He is a socially conservative Evangelical Christian, but one who doesn't impose his views on others.
    Farron should be classified as an endangered species - a socially conservative Evangelical Christian Liberal Democrat.

    Little wonder he's floundering ....
  • Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    Why's there always a "magic money tree" when it comes to cutting rich people's taxes?
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,123
    MattyNeth said:

    Very difficult questions on nursing salaries. Ouch!

    As a public sector worker myself, i know that nurse was talking bollocks.

  • MonkeysMonkeys Posts: 757

    The Dementia Tax is a truly awful policy. Given their core vote, it is utter stupidity.

    If she's really trying to throw the election she should tell her core vote that Bargain Hunt is banned and will never be broadcast again
  • The_TaxmanThe_Taxman Posts: 2,979
    Danny565 said:

    Minor thing:-

    Is it just to my Northern ears, or does May pronounce "collapse" very weirdly (as in when she says "our social care system might collapse")?

    She pronounces "Police" in a funny way as well. Just her accent!
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,637
    1% pay cap in Public Sector

    Tough Shit love.

    Ignores fact that cant recruit nurses, Drs,

    Would rather cut taxes for rich
  • bobajobPBbobajobPB Posts: 1,042

    Sandpit said:

    May sounds a bit nervous tbh. Have to wonder why she ran for the leadership....

    Cameron (and Blair before him) were really quite exceptionally good at public speaking.
    But even Corbyn is better at public speaking than her tbh and he was deemed unelectable by people like me.
    Corbyn is unelectable because of his extreme left wing policies and his cosying up with terrorists.

    Zzzzzz. Try engaging in the debate.
  • The_ApocalypseThe_Apocalypse Posts: 7,830

    Sandpit said:

    May sounds a bit nervous tbh. Have to wonder why she ran for the leadership....

    Cameron (and Blair before him) were really quite exceptionally good at public speaking.
    But even Corbyn is better at public speaking than her tbh and he was deemed unelectable by people like me.
    Corbyn is unelectable because of his extreme left wing policies and his cosying up with terrorists.

    That should be the case. The reality is he *could* be PM on June 9th.
  • bobajobPBbobajobPB Posts: 1,042
    JackW said:

    AndyJS said:

    Chris said:

    I hadn't seen that Tim Farron has again refused to say whether he thinks it's a sin to be homosexual.

    Does he have some kind of death wish?

    Isn't he entitled to his personal views?
    Not really. I have tried to word an answer three times and each time I have deleted before posting.
    He is a socially conservative Evangelical Christian, but one who doesn't impose his views on others.
    Farron should be classified as an endangered species - a socially conservative Evangelical Christian Liberal Democrat.

    Little wonder he's floundering ....
    JackW said:

    AndyJS said:

    Chris said:

    I hadn't seen that Tim Farron has again refused to say whether he thinks it's a sin to be homosexual.

    Does he have some kind of death wish?

    Isn't he entitled to his personal views?
    Not really. I have tried to word an answer three times and each time I have deleted before posting.
    He is a socially conservative Evangelical Christian, but one who doesn't impose his views on others.
    Farron should be classified as an endangered species - a socially conservative Evangelical Christian Liberal Democrat.

    Little wonder he's floundering ....
    JackW said:

    AndyJS said:

    Chris said:

    I hadn't seen that Tim Farron has again refused to say whether he thinks it's a sin to be homosexual.

    Does he have some kind of death wish?

    Isn't he entitled to his personal views?
    Not really. I have tried to word an answer three times and each time I have deleted before posting.
    He is a socially conservative Evangelical Christian, but one who doesn't impose his views on others.
    Farron should be classified as an endangered species - a socially conservative Evangelical Christian Liberal Democrat.

    Little wonder he's floundering ....
    Lol. Niche indeed!
  • ThreeQuidderThreeQuidder Posts: 6,133
    By the way, I hope everyone realises that Tories saying good things about May/bad things about Corbyn and lefties saying bad things about May/good things about Corbyn are just a waste of bandwidth?
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,774
    bobajobPB said:

    IanB2 said:

    RobD said:

    Cyan said:

    Is that a glucose monitor on her right wrist? Does she normally wear one?

    Keeping an eye out in case she collapses?
    Urgent exit required?
    This stuff about her diabetes is a bit harsh, to be fair, I'm not having a go at you or Cyan but I reckon it should be off limits!
    My comment wasn't intended to have any medical dimension at all. I was offering an alternative explanation for the use of the device on her wrist.
  • bobajobPBbobajobPB Posts: 1,042
    GIN1138 said:

    Getting worse and worse now on Dementia Tax

    One assumes the PCP will pull the plug on this Dementia Tax stuff...
    GIN1138 said:

    Getting worse and worse now on Dementia Tax

    One assumes the PCP will pull the plug on this Dementia Tax stuff...
    Surely they will. We need to pool the risk on this, the current set up is absurd. Hit me up for more income tax.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    Funny thing..

    I got out of the bath and looked at the twitter hashtag for the debate on my phone, as you do

    May getting absolutely slaughtered by 95% of comments I would say, (not my timeline, all of twitter) people proposing the girl who asked the first question as PM etc

    Read PB and she appears to be doing well...
  • SchardsSchards Posts: 210

    1% pay cap in Public Sector

    Tough Shit love.

    Ignores fact that cant recruit nurses, Drs,

    Would rather cut taxes for rich

    What tax cuts for the rich?
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,828
    IanB2 said:

    bobajobPB said:

    IanB2 said:

    RobD said:

    Cyan said:

    Is that a glucose monitor on her right wrist? Does she normally wear one?

    Keeping an eye out in case she collapses?
    Urgent exit required?
    This stuff about her diabetes is a bit harsh, to be fair, I'm not having a go at you or Cyan but I reckon it should be off limits!
    My comment wasn't intended to have any medical dimension at all. I was offering an alternative explanation for the use of the device on her wrist.
    Oh you mean for a message? Surely a handler would come on stage and talk to her?
  • notmenotme Posts: 3,293

    1% pay cap in Public Sector

    Tough Shit love.

    Ignores fact that cant recruit nurses, Drs,

    Would rather cut taxes for rich

    What tax cuts for the rich would they be?
  • nichomarnichomar Posts: 7,483
    God how stupid introducing a policy which does not specify a cap on total care costs. It's crass stupid and they know it. They can't wriggle off the hook either be honest and say its your responsibility to pay or produce policy which has a cap and the explain where the rest comes from. No wonder they are stretching the bounds of credibility.
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 28,796
    Wow. That's May sunk
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,774

    Sandpit said:

    May sounds a bit nervous tbh. Have to wonder why she ran for the leadership....

    Cameron (and Blair before him) were really quite exceptionally good at public speaking.
    But even Corbyn is better at public speaking than her tbh and he was deemed unelectable by people like me.
    Corbyn is unelectable because of his extreme left wing policies and his cosying up with terrorists.

    Didn't you get the memo from CCHQ? That was last week's line.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,637
    tlg86 said:

    MattyNeth said:

    Very difficult questions on nursing salaries. Ouch!

    As a public sector worker myself, i know that nurse was talking bollocks.

    A longstanding nurse is 14% worse off in real terms.

    Top of scale 2010 to 2017 5% up inflation over the 7 years 19%

  • bobajobPBbobajobPB Posts: 1,042
    IanB2 said:

    bobajobPB said:

    IanB2 said:

    RobD said:

    Cyan said:

    Is that a glucose monitor on her right wrist? Does she normally wear one?

    Keeping an eye out in case she collapses?
    Urgent exit required?
    This stuff about her diabetes is a bit harsh, to be fair, I'm not having a go at you or Cyan but I reckon it should be off limits!
    My comment wasn't intended to have any medical dimension at all. I was offering an alternative explanation for the use of the device on her wrist.
    Fair enough, I misunderstood. Apologies.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,123

    tlg86 said:

    MattyNeth said:

    Very difficult questions on nursing salaries. Ouch!

    As a public sector worker myself, i know that nurse was talking bollocks.

    A longstanding nurse is 14% worse off in real terms.

    Top of scale 2010 to 2017 5% up inflation over the 7 years 19%

    She said her payslip was the same.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,302
    ‪That was painful/agonising to watch. Hope that lady gets the prompt treatment she needs. ‬
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,774
    edited June 2017
    RobD said:

    IanB2 said:

    bobajobPB said:

    IanB2 said:

    RobD said:

    Cyan said:

    Is that a glucose monitor on her right wrist? Does she normally wear one?

    Keeping an eye out in case she collapses?
    Urgent exit required?
    This stuff about her diabetes is a bit harsh, to be fair, I'm not having a go at you or Cyan but I reckon it should be off limits!
    My comment wasn't intended to have any medical dimension at all. I was offering an alternative explanation for the use of the device on her wrist.
    Oh you mean for a message? Surely a handler would come on stage and talk to her?
    Clearly you're not an LoD fan.
  • Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    edited June 2017

    ‪That was painful/agonising to watch. Hope that lady gets the prompt treatment she needs. ‬

    She won't if the Tories gets in.

    Mental health services weren't great in the first place when I first had difficulties (in about 2009), but the deterioration in the past few years has been shocking. The Tories only get away with it because people with mental health difficulties, by their nature, generally don't have the self-confidence or energy to make a fuss in the media. If the NHS's treatment of cancer patients was even half as bad, there would've been the mother of all scandals.
  • OliverOliver Posts: 33
    She's waffling.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,279
    isam said:

    Funny thing..

    I got out of the bath and looked at the twitter hashtag for the debate on my phone, as you do

    May getting absolutely slaughtered by 95% of comments I would say, (not my timeline, all of twitter) people proposing the girl who asked the first question as PM etc

    Read PB and she appears to be doing well...

    Twitter is 95% Corbynista unless you have a more sensible feed
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 28,796

    ‪That was painful/agonising to watch. Hope that lady gets the prompt treatment she needs. ‬

    And it's the degrading treatment of people like her by the Tories that has finally started to resonate with the voters.
  • The_ApocalypseThe_Apocalypse Posts: 7,830

    ‪That was painful/agonising to watch. Hope that lady gets the prompt treatment she needs. ‬

    Yes. I feel now quite lucky that I got an appointment on NHS Wellbeing service within a week of my GP referring me.
  • JackWJackW Posts: 14,787
    Patchy performance so far but she's surviving well enough.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,314
    bobajobPB said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Getting worse and worse now on Dementia Tax

    One assumes the PCP will pull the plug on this Dementia Tax stuff...
    GIN1138 said:

    Getting worse and worse now on Dementia Tax

    One assumes the PCP will pull the plug on this Dementia Tax stuff...
    Surely they will. We need to pool the risk on this, the current set up is absurd. Hit me up for more income tax.
    So that people richer than you can preserve their inheritances?
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 28,796
    Stop the bus. We're giving foreign aid to Kim Jong-Un?
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,828

    ‪That was painful/agonising to watch. Hope that lady gets the prompt treatment she needs. ‬

    And it's the degrading treatment of people like her by the Tories that has finally started to resonate with the voters.
    It's always the way though, there are always people who have (justified) grievances with the system.
  • MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,664
    edited June 2017
    Easy Q on Foreign Aid.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,279

    1% pay cap in Public Sector

    Tough Shit love.

    Ignores fact that cant recruit nurses, Drs,

    Would rather cut taxes for rich

    It was Osborne who cut the top rate back to 45% probably correctly which May will keep, she is not cutting it back to 40%
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,774
    North Korea?! Surely not.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @kevverage: oh my - this is a PM's nightmare, passionately explained painful real-world experience

    She handled it fairly well, but the follow-up was a killer

    "Mental health is your go to soundbite for questions on the NHS..."
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 28,796
    "Yeah, but North Korea...?"
  • JackW said:

    JackW said:

    I am starting to think that the move to Corbyn is more Brexit related than an increase in the youth vote. Those wanting to remain can see a weak Corbyn rolling over and they get their soft Brexit. They know that medium term Corbyn will fail but at least the Country is still close to their EU and by 2022 socialism will have put the economy in a disaster zone and the conservatives will again have to return to sort out the economy.

    For the first time I think Theresa will lose her majority and that there will a minority government.

    I am sorry for her and have supported her but if that is the result she will stand down and a new leader elected

    BEDWETTER ALERT **** BEDWETTER ALERT **** BEDWETTER ALERT ****

    Your Name Vill Also Go On Zer List .. Vot Is It ?
    Not really - just seems a likely case to me and I am stating an honest opinion. I would be delighted to be wrong
    Prepare to be delighted.
    Thanks Jack - maybe I am reading the negatives too much
    JackW is right. Sure mistakes have been made. The biggest in my view is not giving more info about Tory candidates from the off in the CCHQ literature. But there have been positives, when I suggested Farron was not very good 2 mths ago I was pilloried. He has been much worse than my wildest dreams. However, I think the polls exaggerate his unpopularity in the mirror of what happened in 2010. And I say that as someone who has expected him to lose his own seat from the beginning.

    As with the Copeland by-election W&L is going to be a cliff edge result. Without national resource Farron would lose by about 5k. However, he will pull in help from anywhere to protect himself - forget any gains for the LDs from the Cons for that reason. He is struggling in Kendal but as with Copeland in the by-election it is in the remote areas where he is really losing it. Giving the same caveats as I gave for Copeland I think this will be a Con gain, with a similar majority, 2000 ish
  • nichomarnichomar Posts: 7,483
    Having a system that relies on individual answers to capability in relation to benefits does not take into account medical evidence. If my wife was asked could she plan and cook a meal she would say yes, as with lots of other questions. It isn't true but I believe, rightly or wrongly that any medical evidence is not taken into account
  • DanSmithDanSmith Posts: 1,215
    MikeL said:

    Easy Q on Foreign Aid.

    Mental health stuff has thrown her, all over the place now.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,774

    ‪That was painful/agonising to watch. Hope that lady gets the prompt treatment she needs. ‬

    And it's the degrading treatment of people like her by the Tories that has finally started to resonate with the voters.
    There is the minor problem that it was Labour that first planned revisiting people's entitlement to disabled living payments.
  • Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    edited June 2017
    RobD said:

    ‪That was painful/agonising to watch. Hope that lady gets the prompt treatment she needs. ‬

    And it's the degrading treatment of people like her by the Tories that has finally started to resonate with the voters.
    It's always the way though, there are always people who have (justified) grievances with the system.
    There would never be money to deal with absolutely everyone's problems, but surely people like that lady should be earlier in the queue than big cash giveaways to rich people and big corporations like the Tories have chosen to do??
  • JackWJackW Posts: 14,787
    North Korea .... Ooopps
  • OliverOliver Posts: 33
    Saying we're second fastest growing in the G7 last year and conveniently forgetting to say that we've since dropped to seventh :smiley:
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 28,796
    She doesn't know we're funding North Korea's ICBM programme
  • ConcanvasserConcanvasser Posts: 165
    What chance a Sheffield moment from the reds this weekend? One gets the impression some of them think they can pull this off. Come on boys your alll riiiight!!
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,774
    There aren't any UK NGOs in North Korea.
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 28,796
    IanB2 said:

    ‪That was painful/agonising to watch. Hope that lady gets the prompt treatment she needs. ‬

    And it's the degrading treatment of people like her by the Tories that has finally started to resonate with the voters.
    There is the minor problem that it was Labour that first planned revisiting people's entitlement to disabled living payments.
    And the regime is exactly the same now as it was in 2008 of course...
  • bobajobPBbobajobPB Posts: 1,042
    May just about clinging on now. Trying to run down the clock after a decent start.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,828
    IanB2 said:

    There aren't any UK NGOs in North Korea.

    No, but I would have assumed this would have been food aid.
  • bardigianibardigiani Posts: 19
    IanB2 said:

    Sandpit said:

    May sounds a bit nervous tbh. Have to wonder why she ran for the leadership....

    Cameron (and Blair before him) were really quite exceptionally good at public speaking.
    But even Corbyn is better at public speaking than her tbh and he was deemed unelectable by people like me.
    Corbyn is unelectable because of his extreme left wing policies and his cosying up with terrorists.

    Didn't you get the memo from CCHQ? That was last week's line.
    I encountered Corbyn when he was my local MP in the eighties. I saw at fairly close hand his cosying up to the IRA during the Troubles. The attempts by him and his acolytes to whitewash his past disgust me. CCHQ may have amended the memo but I don't care. He is an odious sycophant for those who murdered our troops and citizens. He is unfit to be PM.

  • The_ApocalypseThe_Apocalypse Posts: 7,830
    IanB2 said:

    ‪That was painful/agonising to watch. Hope that lady gets the prompt treatment she needs. ‬

    And it's the degrading treatment of people like her by the Tories that has finally started to resonate with the voters.
    There is the minor problem that it was Labour that first planned revisiting people's entitlement to disabled living payments.
    True. It's well known that the Department of Work of Pensions didn't start being a shitshow under IDS, as anyone who remembers James Purnell time there knows.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 62,749

    JackW said:

    JackW said:

    I am starting to think that the move to Corbyn is more Brexit related than an increase in the youth vote. Those wanting to remain can see a weak Corbyn rolling over and they get their soft Brexit. They know that medium term Corbyn will fail but at least the Country is still close to their EU and by 2022 socialism will have put the economy in a disaster zone and the conservatives will again have to return to sort out the economy.

    For the first time I think Theresa will lose her majority and that there will a minority government.

    I am sorry for her and have supported her but if that is the result she will stand down and a new leader elected

    BEDWETTER ALERT **** BEDWETTER ALERT **** BEDWETTER ALERT ****

    Your Name Vill Also Go On Zer List .. Vot Is It ?
    Not really - just seems a likely case to me and I am stating an honest opinion. I would be delighted to be wrong
    Prepare to be delighted.
    Thanks Jack - maybe I am reading the negatives too much
    JackW is right. Sure mistakes have been made. The biggest in my view is not giving more info about Tory candidates from the off in the CCHQ literature. But there have been positives, when I suggested Farron was not very good 2 mths ago I was pilloried. He has been much worse than my wildest dreams. However, I think the polls exaggerate his unpopularity in the mirror of what happened in 2010. And I say that as someone who has expected him to lose his own seat from the beginning.

    As with the Copeland by-election W&L is going to be a cliff edge result. Without national resource Farron would lose by about 5k. However, he will pull in help from anywhere to protect himself - forget any gains for the LDs from the Cons for that reason. He is struggling in Kendal but as with Copeland in the by-election it is in the remote areas where he is really losing it. Giving the same caveats as I gave for Copeland I think this will be a Con gain, with a similar majority, 2000 ish
    Will we hold Copeland
  • MarkSeniorMarkSenior Posts: 4,699
    calum said:
    Mrs Weak and Wobblys Marie Antoinette moment , let them eat tins of beans from foodbanks .
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,279
    bobajobPB said:

    May just about clinging on now. Trying to run down the clock after a decent start.

    That is all she needs to do
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,637
    JackW said:

    North Korea .... Ooopps

    North Fookin Korea FFS
  • bobajobPBbobajobPB Posts: 1,042
    HYUFD said:

    bobajobPB said:

    May just about clinging on now. Trying to run down the clock after a decent start.

    That is all she needs to do
    You'd better hope so!
  • GideonWiseGideonWise Posts: 1,123
    Just popped it on. She looks a jibbering wreck and can barely speak. Has she ever had any scrutiny from the public?

    Major fuck up from the Tories here. Collective failure allowing May to take over without properly testing her.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    isam said:

    Funny thing..

    I got out of the bath and looked at the twitter hashtag for the debate on my phone, as you do

    May getting absolutely slaughtered by 95% of comments I would say, (not my timeline, all of twitter) people proposing the girl who asked the first question as PM etc

    Read PB and she appears to be doing well...

    Can't wait to read Twitter on election night.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,279
    calum said:
    Well there isn't and her pay has gone up just not above inflation
  • MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,664
    Overall a good performance though will be hoping North Korea doesn't overshadow it all.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 56,928

    JackW said:

    JackW said:

    I am starting to think that the move to Corbyn is more Brexit related than an increase in the youth vote. Those wanting to remain can see a weak Corbyn rolling over and they get their soft Brexit. They know that medium term Corbyn will fail but at least the Country is still close to their EU and by 2022 socialism will have put the economy in a disaster zone and the conservatives will again have to return to sort out the economy.

    For the first time I think Theresa will lose her majority and that there will a minority government.

    I am sorry for her and have supported her but if that is the result she will stand down and a new leader elected

    BEDWETTER ALERT **** BEDWETTER ALERT **** BEDWETTER ALERT ****

    Your Name Vill Also Go On Zer List .. Vot Is It ?
    Not really - just seems a likely case to me and I am stating an honest opinion. I would be delighted to be wrong
    Prepare to be delighted.
    Thanks Jack - maybe I am reading the negatives too much
    JackW is right. Sure mistakes have been made. The biggest in my view is not giving more info about Tory candidates from the off in the CCHQ literature. But there have been positives, when I suggested Farron was not very good 2 mths ago I was pilloried. He has been much worse than my wildest dreams. However, I think the polls exaggerate his unpopularity in the mirror of what happened in 2010. And I say that as someone who has expected him to lose his own seat from the beginning.

    As with the Copeland by-election W&L is going to be a cliff edge result. Without national resource Farron would lose by about 5k. However, he will pull in help from anywhere to protect himself - forget any gains for the LDs from the Cons for that reason. He is struggling in Kendal but as with Copeland in the by-election it is in the remote areas where he is really losing it. Giving the same caveats as I gave for Copeland I think this will be a Con gain, with a similar majority, 2000 ish
    Do you really think that LibDem activists from South West London are heading up to Cumbria to fight for Farron?
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 21,555
    I think May is doing OK. Very hard thing to do.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 56,928

    JackW said:

    JackW said:

    I am starting to think that the move to Corbyn is more Brexit related than an increase in the youth vote. Those wanting to remain can see a weak Corbyn rolling over and they get their soft Brexit. They know that medium term Corbyn will fail but at least the Country is still close to their EU and by 2022 socialism will have put the economy in a disaster zone and the conservatives will again have to return to sort out the economy.

    For the first time I think Theresa will lose her majority and that there will a minority government.

    I am sorry for her and have supported her but if that is the result she will stand down and a new leader elected

    BEDWETTER ALERT **** BEDWETTER ALERT **** BEDWETTER ALERT ****

    Your Name Vill Also Go On Zer List .. Vot Is It ?
    Not really - just seems a likely case to me and I am stating an honest opinion. I would be delighted to be wrong
    Prepare to be delighted.
    Thanks Jack - maybe I am reading the negatives too much
    JackW is right. Sure mistakes have been made. The biggest in my view is not giving more info about Tory candidates from the off in the CCHQ literature. But there have been positives, when I suggested Farron was not very good 2 mths ago I was pilloried. He has been much worse than my wildest dreams. However, I think the polls exaggerate his unpopularity in the mirror of what happened in 2010. And I say that as someone who has expected him to lose his own seat from the beginning.

    As with the Copeland by-election W&L is going to be a cliff edge result. Without national resource Farron would lose by about 5k. However, he will pull in help from anywhere to protect himself - forget any gains for the LDs from the Cons for that reason. He is struggling in Kendal but as with Copeland in the by-election it is in the remote areas where he is really losing it. Giving the same caveats as I gave for Copeland I think this will be a Con gain, with a similar majority, 2000 ish
    Will we hold Copeland
    Comfortably.
  • DadgeDadge Posts: 2,052
    Somewhere in her foreign aid answers there was an admission that UK foreign policy affects the behaviour of foreigners towards the UK.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,774

    IanB2 said:

    ‪That was painful/agonising to watch. Hope that lady gets the prompt treatment she needs. ‬

    And it's the degrading treatment of people like her by the Tories that has finally started to resonate with the voters.
    There is the minor problem that it was Labour that first planned revisiting people's entitlement to disabled living payments.
    True. It's well known that the Department of Work of Pensions didn't start being a shitshow under IDS, as anyone who remembers James Purnell time there knows.
    It's one of the things that I find the most disillusioning about Labour, far more than what Corbyn might have thought about the Falklands when I was a kid. Very many of the things Labour now claims to oppose - tuition fees, Academy schools, greater use of private providers by the NHS, reexamining eligibility to disabled benefit payments - are ideas first developed by their own government.
  • The_ApocalypseThe_Apocalypse Posts: 7,830
    edited June 2017
    MikeL said:

    Overall a good performance though will be hoping North Korea doesn't overshadow it all.

    May is lucky that the press is on her side and thus will ignore most of her blunders and look for any mistakes Corbyn makes. If this wasn't the case, well....
  • bobajobPBbobajobPB Posts: 1,042
    HYUFD said:

    calum said:
    Well there isn't and her pay has gone up just not above inflation
    That's a pay cut as you know full well.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    Remember, people like this have a vote...

    @Frasergrant: Hey #theresamay there is a magic money tree. It's called offshore bank accounts. It's called Trident. It's called Amazon and Google.
  • MarkSeniorMarkSenior Posts: 4,699

    JackW said:

    JackW said:

    I am starting to think that the move to Corbyn is more Brexit related than an increase in the youth vote. Those wanting to remain can see a weak Corbyn rolling over and they get their soft Brexit. They know that medium term Corbyn will fail but at least the Country is still close to their EU and by 2022 socialism will have put the economy in a disaster zone and the conservatives will again have to return to sort out the economy.

    For the first time I think Theresa will lose her majority and that there will a minority government.

    I am sorry for her and have supported her but if that is the result she will stand down and a new leader elected

    BEDWETTER ALERT **** BEDWETTER ALERT **** BEDWETTER ALERT ****

    Your Name Vill Also Go On Zer List .. Vot Is It ?
    Not really - just seems a likely case to me and I am stating an honest opinion. I would be delighted to be wrong
    Prepare to be delighted.
    Thanks Jack - maybe I am reading the negatives too much
    JackW is right. Sure mistakes have been made. The biggest in my view is not giving more info about Tory candidates from the off in the CCHQ literature. But there have been positives, when I suggested Farron was not very good 2 mths ago I was pilloried. He has been much worse than my wildest dreams. However, I think the polls exaggerate his unpopularity in the mirror of what happened in 2010. And I say that as someone who has expected him to lose his own seat from the beginning.

    As with the Copeland by-election W&L is going to be a cliff edge result. Without national resource Farron would lose by about 5k. However, he will pull in help from anywhere to protect himself - forget any gains for the LDs from the Cons for that reason. He is struggling in Kendal but as with Copeland in the by-election it is in the remote areas where he is really losing it. Giving the same caveats as I gave for Copeland I think this will be a Con gain, with a similar majority, 2000 ish
    Not got over your defeat by Nick Cotton yet , then .
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    Woman who said "why do you care less about children than a Labour govt".. unless she is disabled, how can anyone get that fat?

    Her double chin was as big as her face
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,302
    Memo to The Tories, don't smear that nurse like the Nats did.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,279
    bobajobPB said:

    HYUFD said:

    bobajobPB said:

    May just about clinging on now. Trying to run down the clock after a decent start.

    That is all she needs to do
    You'd better hope so!
    She is ahead and has enough for a majority of 50+ she just needs to stabilise the ship tonight that is all
  • DadgeDadge Posts: 2,052
    The first thing Corbyn should say when he comes out is that there's no magic money tree.
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    tlg86 said:

    tlg86 said:

    MattyNeth said:

    Very difficult questions on nursing salaries. Ouch!

    As a public sector worker myself, i know that nurse was talking bollocks.

    A longstanding nurse is 14% worse off in real terms.

    Top of scale 2010 to 2017 5% up inflation over the 7 years 19%

    She said her payslip was the same.
    If the payslip is the same, despite 8 years of inflation, that is a "real terms" cut.
  • jonny83jonny83 Posts: 1,270
    Lot better than I expected tbh.
  • OUTOUT Posts: 569
    HYUFD said:

    calum said:
    Well there isn't and her pay has gone up just not above inflation
    Just a magic quantitative easing tree.
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