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  • dyedwooliedyedwoolie Posts: 7,786
    Jezza will ensure he doesn't have to use nukes by getting everyone to be nice to each other
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207

    A fairer society for all....except Jewish people.

    That is not what he said. He described the Holocaust as the biggest stain on human history.
    Why do Labour keep reinstating anti semites?
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,774
    edited June 2017
    nichomar said:

    Someone needs to ask him how much increasing corporation tax an it will raise, people will avoid the tax so tax revenues will fall. People seem to view things in a two dimensional world without looking beyond the simplicity of things. If you can't understand the alternative viewpoint in an argument then you don't end up with the right conclusion

    Yet every step towards balancing the books has potential downsides, hidden costs or consequences that mean not as much is raised or not as much is saved as the government of the day might have hoped. The Tories have at least as many such blind spots.
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548

    A fairer society for all....except Jewish people.

    That is not what he said. He described the Holocaust as the biggest stain on human history.
    There is a difference between words and actions.
    Questions and answers are about words.

  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @GregHands: Corbyn asked if UK under "imminent threat" from nuclear weapons and his rambling answer is probably longer than the 4 minute warning #BBCQT
  • The_ApocalypseThe_Apocalypse Posts: 7,830

    A fairer society for all....except Jewish people.

    That is not what he said. He described the Holocaust as the biggest stain on human history.
    Don't let facts get in the way of their bile.
    Why have Jewish people lost so much confidence in Labour under Corbyn's leadership?
  • jonny83jonny83 Posts: 1,270
    So weak on trident, his answer is we won't ever get to that situation. The question was what would you do if the country was under threat from an imminent nuclear attack.
  • Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    Hmm, handling the nuclear question surprisingly well so far.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,320
    Corbyn has a neat trick of changing tone in the middle of an answer and moving into a well-worn homily about whatever the issue is.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 38,528

    A fairer society for all....except Jewish people.

    That is not what he said. He described the Holocaust as the biggest stain on human history.
    And yet the Labour party hasn't suspended or expelled Ken "Hitler was a Zionist" Livingston. Words are cheap.
  • Ishmael_ZIshmael_Z Posts: 8,981
    3 cheers for Adam Murgatroyd.
  • CyanCyan Posts: 1,262

    A fairer society for all....except Jewish people.

    That is not what he said. He described the Holocaust as the biggest stain on human history.
    There is a difference between words and actions.
    Questions and answers are about words.
    The line that Ken Livingstone is anti-Semitic is made-up, dishonest, disingenuous garbage and hardly anybody gives a crap about it.

  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 56,928
    HYUFD said:

    rcs1000 said:

    JackW said:

    JackW said:

    I am starting to think that the move to Corbyn is more Brexit related than an increase in the youth vote. Those wanting to remain can see a weak Corbyn rolling over and they get their soft Brexit. They know that medium term Corbyn will fail but at least the Country is still close to their EU and by 2022 socialism will have put the economy in a disaster zone and the conservatives will again have to return to sort out the economy.

    For the first time I think Theresa will lose her majority and that there will a minority government.

    I am sorry for her and have supported her but if that is the result she will stand down and a new leader elected

    BEDWETTER ALERT **** BEDWETTER ALERT **** BEDWETTER ALERT ****

    Your Name Vill Also Go On Zer List .. Vot Is It ?
    Not really - just seems a likely case to me and I am stating an honest opinion. I would be delighted to be wrong
    Prepare to be delighted.
    Thanks Jack - maybe I am reading the negatives too much
    JackW is right. Sure mistakes have been made. The biggest in my view is not giving more info about Tory candidates from the off in the CCHQ literature. But there have been positives, when I suggested Farron was not very good 2 mths ago I was pilloried. He has been much worse than my wildest dreams. However, I think the polls exaggerate his unpopularity in the mirror of what happened in 2010. And I say that as someone who has expected him to lose his own seat from the beginning.

    As with the Copeland by-election W&L is going to be a cliff edge result. Without national resource Farron would lose by about 5k. However, he will pull in help from anywhere to protect himself - forget any gains for the LDs from the Cons for that reason. He is struggling in Kendal but as with Copeland in the by-election it is in the remote areas where he is really losing it. Giving the same caveats as I gave for Copeland I think this will be a Con gain, with a similar majority, 2000 ish
    Do you really think that LibDem activists from South West London are heading up to Cumbria to fight for Farron?
    Farron and Robertson losing their seats but Corbyn doing well enough to stay as Labour leader but not well enough to win would be a very satisfying result for the Tories
    Surely that depends rather on which other LibDems - if any - are elected.
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207

    We seem to have learned two things tonight , Corbyn is the most prime ministerial of the two and the Conservatives do not value nurses .

    Yet again your hatred blinds you to all else.

  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @PeterMannionMP: Corbyn's response to a nuclear attack?

    We'd all be dead before he got to the end of his first sentence.

    #bbcqt #ge2017
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 28,795
    Jeremy, tell them you'd have the soldiers dig in. Like you're doing now...
  • The_ApocalypseThe_Apocalypse Posts: 7,830

    A fairer society for all....except Jewish people.

    That is not what he said. He described the Holocaust as the biggest stain on human history.
    There is a difference between words and actions.
    Questions and answers are about words.

    And questions are about actions. She was pulling him up on how he handled the Livingstone incident. Too many people on my side concerned about Islamphobia and anti-black racism, and do not show the same concern when it comes to anti-semitism.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 62,749
    Danny565 said:

    Hmm, handling the nuclear question surprisingly well so far.

    He is waffling
  • TMA1TMA1 Posts: 225

    A fairer society for all....except Jewish people.

    That is not what he said. He described the Holocaust as the biggest stain on human history.
    What a pathetic weaseling opinion from you. His comment was no response to labour antisemitism.
  • Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    edited June 2017
    Oh God, don't mention the environment or refugees....
  • Waffly as hell on Trident renewal. Matching May for gibbering.
  • TudorRoseTudorRose Posts: 1,683
    He's babbling now. It's as if neither of them can sustain beyond about 15 minutes of energy.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @IainDale: Corbyn all over the shop on defence. Has no clue what the word deterrence actually means.
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 28,795
    Oh dear...
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,314
    Is Corbyn going to see how long he can waffle about Nuclear weapons before Dimbleby lets him off with it?
  • asjohnstoneasjohnstone Posts: 1,276

    No tough questions yet for JC.

    A tough question is just one you haven't prepared for
  • glwglw Posts: 9,871
    jonny83 said:

    So weak on trident, his answer is we won't ever get to that situation. The question was what would you do if the country was under threat from an imminent nuclear attack.

    He's a total moonbat. Yet incredibly a huge number of people consider him fit to be PM. Now the nuclear issue is unlikely to arise during the next Parliament, but terrorism will and Corbyn will have to make life or death decisions, would you trust him to make the right one?
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 62,749
    Getting into real trouble here
  • MarkSeniorMarkSenior Posts: 4,699
    Floater said:

    We seem to have learned two things tonight , Corbyn is the most prime ministerial of the two and the Conservatives do not value nurses .

    Yet again your hatred blinds you to all else.

    And your psycophantic love of the Conservatives has you blinkered in your views too .
  • GideonWiseGideonWise Posts: 1,123
    Nuclear weapons Corbyn is extremely weak. Waffling incoherently but gets a loyal clap from his cultists in the audience.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,774
    I am still waiting for another reference to Diane Abbott
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,279
    Corbyn point blank refuses to use a nuclear weapon to jeers from the audience
  • dyedwooliedyedwoolie Posts: 7,786
    edited June 2017
    Corbyn being heckled on nuclear. Wheels coming off.
    Awful on security.
  • jonny83jonny83 Posts: 1,270
    Omg awful answer from Dimbleby's question.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 62,749
    Dimbleby is hanging him out - big moment and dangerous for him
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,637
    Nuclear Weapons might have just lost the Election
  • The_ApocalypseThe_Apocalypse Posts: 7,830
    Cyan said:

    A fairer society for all....except Jewish people.

    That is not what he said. He described the Holocaust as the biggest stain on human history.
    There is a difference between words and actions.
    Questions and answers are about words.
    The line that Ken Livingstone is anti-Semitic is made-up, dishonest, disingenuous garbage and hardly anybody gives a crap about it.

    Sadly.

    Racism tends to be an issue which minorities care the most about.

    I wonder if this was a subject which concerned anti-black racism, would you be so at ease to say 'and no gives a crap about it' as if it's a good thing.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,302
    edited June 2017
    Corbyn struggling badly on this whole use of Trident.

    Openly being mocked by the audience is never a good look.

    Then IGNORING THEM!
  • Heckled by the Tykes. Finally, it gets interesting.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @Sean_Kemp: The standard Corbyn 'what if we were under attack?' answer is 'first I'd invent a time machine.'
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207

    Danny565 said:

    Corbyn defending the indefensible (re his failure to deal with Livingstone).

    I agree with Dr Fox

    Jezza says no truck with racism including anti semitism

    Again Labour do not treat anti semitism seriously.

    Why do these people keep getting reinstated?
  • JackWJackW Posts: 14,787
    Stumbling badly on nuclear threats ....
  • chloechloe Posts: 308
    Bad on Trident.
  • TMA1TMA1 Posts: 225
    Cyan said:

    A fairer society for all....except Jewish people.

    That is not what he said. He described the Holocaust as the biggest stain on human history.
    There is a difference between words and actions.
    Questions and answers are about words.
    The line that Ken Livingstone is anti-Semitic is made-up, dishonest, disingenuous garbage and hardly anybody gives a crap about it.

    Thanks for showing your truecolours. You will be saying Corbyn did not support the IRA next.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,774
    Corbyn being pushed into arguing against unilateral disarmament doesn't do his reputation for principled straight talking any favours.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 77,895
    Jeeeesssssssssssuuuussssssssssssssss H Christ. Not just my bets I'm worried about if Corbyn is in charge.
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207

    Nuclear Weapons might have just lost the Election

    Dont worry - he was never going to win.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @DavidMills73: Yorkshire bloke in audience just dropped ten megatons on Corbyn
  • TudorRoseTudorRose Posts: 1,683
    Now he won't answer the question - so much for debate!
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,637
    Oh dear meltdown over Nuclear Weapons.

    The bubble has burst

    Fookin Unilateralist Idiot
  • GideonWiseGideonWise Posts: 1,123
    Oh dear, childish woman gets whoops from the audience.
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 21,555
    Audience member saves Corbyn. Bloodthirsty lot.
  • RoyalBlueRoyalBlue Posts: 3,223
    That's it. Sunk.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,279
    Scott_P said:

    @DavidMills73: Yorkshire bloke in audience just dropped ten megatons on Corbyn

    Barrow just gone, probably Plymouth too
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    No Comment from Jez

    That was bad

    My political antennae is awful, the minute it crossed my mind he could be PM... that!
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 38,528
    Pulpstar said:

    Jeeeesssssssssssuuuussssssssssssssss H Christ. Not just my bets I'm worried about if Corbyn is in charge.

    I don't think he will be after this. Tory majority 60-80 is back on.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,302
    Theresa May couldn't put Corbyn on the rack.

    But us Yorkshire people managed it.

    #ProudToBeAYorkshireman
  • Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091

    Oh dear meltdown over Nuclear Weapons.

    The bubble has burst

    Fookin Unilateralist Idiot

    Now he might be able to dig a hole on immigration....
  • nichomarnichomar Posts: 7,483
    He's just lost the election by no first use of nuclear weapons, it's not credible that you would only retaliate once we had been attacked.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,314
    Lucky break from lady in the audience changing topic to immigration.
  • CyanCyan Posts: 1,262
    Rabid audience Tory oh so worried about the North Koreans bombing Britain to smithereens and the pinko Labour government responding by saying "Let's be politically correct and give the poor ickle North Koreans a chance". Did someone say "moonbat"?
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,320

    Nuclear Weapons might have just lost the Election

    They could turn it around with posters showing May and Trump with a mushroom cloud.
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 28,795

    Oh dear meltdown over Nuclear Weapons.

    The bubble has burst

    Fookin Unilateralist Idiot

    It'll come down to a basic question. What's most important. That you can't pay your bills despite working hard? Or that "if some idiot in Iran has launched missiles at us 'ow will you stop them"
  • asjohnstoneasjohnstone Posts: 1,276
    Scott_P said:

    @DPJHodges: This is always Corbyn's response to what he would face Britain face nuclear attack. Pretend he'd already stopped it via negotiation.

    You may as well ask him.how he'd deal with a zombie apocalypse or alien invasion, no one is worried about a nation state nuclear attack. Doesn't enter their thinking.

    Below inflation pay rises, housing costs, education and health are what people care about
  • Ave_itAve_it Posts: 2,411
    Lol!!!!! Just like 1983!!!!!!
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,828
    Parallels with May's 45 minutes. Good start, but a bit of a wobbly near the end.
  • Scott_P said:

    @DavidMills73: Yorkshire bloke in audience just dropped ten megatons on Corbyn

    They remember Threads only too well in the Ridings.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,314

    Cyan said:

    A fairer society for all....except Jewish people.

    That is not what he said. He described the Holocaust as the biggest stain on human history.
    There is a difference between words and actions.
    Questions and answers are about words.
    The line that Ken Livingstone is anti-Semitic is made-up, dishonest, disingenuous garbage and hardly anybody gives a crap about it.

    Sadly.

    Racism tends to be an issue which minorities care the most about.

    I wonder if this was a subject which concerned anti-black racism, would you be so at ease to say 'and no gives a crap about it' as if it's a good thing.
    Racism is always wrong - unless you're Jewish. Welcome to Corbyn's Labour Party doublespeak.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,279
    rcs1000 said:

    HYUFD said:

    rcs1000 said:

    JackW said:

    JackW said:

    I am starting to think that the move to Corbyn is more Brexit related than an increase in the youth vote. Those wanting to remain can see a weak Corbyn rolling over and they get their soft Brexit. They know that medium term Corbyn will fail but at least the Country is still close to their EU and by 2022 socialism will have put the economy in a disaster zone and the conservatives will again have to return to sort out the economy.

    For the first time I think Theresa will lose her majority and that there will a minority government.

    I am sorry for her and have supported her but if that is the result she will stand down and a new leader elected

    BEDWETTER ALERT **** BEDWETTER ALERT **** BEDWETTER ALERT ****

    Your Name Vill Also Go On Zer List .. Vot Is It ?
    Not really - just seems a likely case to me and I am stating an honest opinion. I would be delighted to be wrong
    Prepare to be delighted.
    Thanks Jack - maybe I am reading the negatives too much
    JackW is right. Sure mistakes have been made. The biggest in my view is not giving more info about Tory candidates from the off in the CCHQ literature. But there have been positives, when I suggested Farron was not very good 2 mths ago I was pilloried. He has been much worse than my wildest dreams. However, I think the polls exaggerate his unpopularity in the mirror of what happened in 2010. And I say that as someone who has expected him to lose his own seat from the beginning.

    As with the Copeland by-election W&L is going to be a cliff edge result. Without national resource Farron would lose by about 5k. However, he will pull in help from anywhere to protect himself - forget any gains for the LDs from the Cons for that reason. He is struggling in Kendal but as with Copeland in the by-election it is in the remote areas where he is really losing it. Giving the same caveats as I gave for Copeland I think this will be a Con gain, with a similar majority, 2000 ish
    Do you really think that LibDem activists from South West London are heading up to Cumbria to fight for Farron?
    Farron and Robertson losing their seats but Corbyn doing well enough to stay as Labour leader but not well enough to win would be a very satisfying result for the Tories
    Surely that depends rather on which other LibDems - if any - are elected.
    If Farron goes so probably does Lamb and maybe even Clegg too
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 38,528

    Oh dear meltdown over Nuclear Weapons.

    The bubble has burst

    Fookin Unilateralist Idiot

    It'll come down to a basic question. What's most important. That you can't pay your bills despite working hard? Or that "if some idiot in Iran has launched missiles at us 'ow will you stop them"
    The safety of the realm figures very highly for people.
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207

    Floater said:

    We seem to have learned two things tonight , Corbyn is the most prime ministerial of the two and the Conservatives do not value nurses .

    Yet again your hatred blinds you to all else.

    And your psycophantic love of the Conservatives has you blinkered in your views too .


    I have voted Lib dem more often than I have voted tory.

    I know facts and yourself only have a very passing relationship.

  • Ishmael_ZIshmael_Z Posts: 8,981
    Cyan said:

    A fairer society for all....except Jewish people.

    That is not what he said. He described the Holocaust as the biggest stain on human history.
    There is a difference between words and actions.
    Questions and answers are about words.
    The line that Ken Livingstone is anti-Semitic is made-up, dishonest, disingenuous garbage and hardly anybody gives a crap about it.

    So, just to be clear, you say both that the claim that Livingstone is anti-semitic is unfounded (even though his own party suspended him for it), and that hardly anybody cares anyway. Is that because nobody cares about racism, or because anti-semitism is markedly less serious than other forms of racism, or for some other reason?
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,637

    Corbyn struggling badly on this whole use of Trident.

    Openly being mocked by the audience is never a good look.

    Then IGNORING THEM!

    Lost election momentum at that minute methinks
  • jonny83jonny83 Posts: 1,270
    Lot of pensioners will not have liked his response at all to those trident questions.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,828
    nichomar said:

    He's just lost the election by no first use of nuclear weapons, it's not credible that you would only retaliate once we had been attacked.

    If he lost it, it would be due to no second use. I can't imagine a situation where we'd use it as a first strike.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @MrHarryCole: Audience “I would rather have it an not use it, than not have it all."
    DD: “Do you want to come back on that?”
    JC: No.
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207
    Sandpit said:

    Cyan said:

    A fairer society for all....except Jewish people.

    That is not what he said. He described the Holocaust as the biggest stain on human history.
    There is a difference between words and actions.
    Questions and answers are about words.
    The line that Ken Livingstone is anti-Semitic is made-up, dishonest, disingenuous garbage and hardly anybody gives a crap about it.

    Sadly.

    Racism tends to be an issue which minorities care the most about.

    I wonder if this was a subject which concerned anti-black racism, would you be so at ease to say 'and no gives a crap about it' as if it's a good thing.
    Racism is always wrong - unless you're Jewish. Welcome to Corbyn's Labour Party doublespeak.
    This is what happens when you let the hard left in
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,302
    So long as France has nuclear weapons, using Trident will be an important issue in this country
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,279

    Scott_P said:

    @DPJHodges: This is always Corbyn's response to what he would face Britain face nuclear attack. Pretend he'd already stopped it via negotiation.

    You may as well ask him.how he'd deal with a zombie apocalypse or alien invasion, no one is worried about a nation state nuclear attack. Doesn't enter their thinking.

    Below inflation pay rises, housing costs, education and health are what people care about
    In the age of ISIS, Kim Jong Un, Putin etc it cannot be ignored
  • GeoffMGeoffM Posts: 6,071

    No tough questions yet for JC.

    A tough question is just one you haven't prepared for
    Wise words there.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,774
    edited June 2017

    Nuclear Weapons might have just lost the Election

    They could turn it around with posters showing May and Trump with a mushroom cloud.
    This is just nonsense, the possibility of nuclear attack isn't credible in the way that it was when I was young. Which isn't to say things won't change, but it's hardly a salient issue right now, especially for anyone under 40. And the upsides of spending the money on something else are significant.
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    RoyalBlue said:

    That's it. Sunk.

    Not really, 49% of the UK population either want rid of Trident or want empty subs

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/trident-majority-of-britons-back-keeping-nuclear-weapons-programme-poll-shows-a6831376.html

    Not every Briton is a warmongerer.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 77,895
    HYUFD said:


    Surely that depends rather on which other LibDems - if any - are elected.

    If Farron goes so probably does Lamb and maybe even Clegg too


    Clegg dynamics are different. Tories aren't for 500 seats to claim Hallam any more. He'll be under threat by this idiot on my TV.
  • CyanCyan Posts: 1,262
    edited June 2017
    Sandpit said:

    Cyan said:

    A fairer society for all....except Jewish people.

    That is not what he said. He described the Holocaust as the biggest stain on human history.
    There is a difference between words and actions.
    Questions and answers are about words.
    The line that Ken Livingstone is anti-Semitic is made-up, dishonest, disingenuous garbage and hardly anybody gives a crap about it.

    Sadly.

    Racism tends to be an issue which minorities care the most about.

    I wonder if this was a subject which concerned anti-black racism, would you be so at ease to say 'and no gives a crap about it' as if it's a good thing.
    Racism is always wrong - unless you're Jewish. Welcome to Corbyn's Labour Party doublespeak.
    Jewish racism is just as wrong as any other kind of racism, and it's a far bigger problem at the moment (we're not in 1940) than anti-Semitism, as anybody who has seriously considered the question is aware. The end.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,320
    MaxPB said:

    Oh dear meltdown over Nuclear Weapons.

    The bubble has burst

    Fookin Unilateralist Idiot

    It'll come down to a basic question. What's most important. That you can't pay your bills despite working hard? Or that "if some idiot in Iran has launched missiles at us 'ow will you stop them"
    The safety of the realm figures very highly for people.
    You live in Switzerland outside NATO with no nuclear weapons. Do you lay awake worrying about the threat of being nuked by Iran?
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 62,749
    Getting hung out on minimum wage of £10
  • rpjsrpjs Posts: 3,787
    nichomar said:

    He's just lost the election by no first use of nuclear weapons, it's not credible that you would only retaliate once we had been attacked.

    Um, that's the entire basis of a SLBM-based nuclear deterrent. Trident is a second-strike weapon.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,302

    Corbyn struggling badly on this whole use of Trident.

    Openly being mocked by the audience is never a good look.

    Then IGNORING THEM!

    Lost election momentum at that minute methinks
    The election is not lost for as long as Theresa May is Tory leader.

    She's a bit crap.
  • TMA1TMA1 Posts: 225

    Theresa May couldn't put Corbyn on the rack.

    But us Yorkshire people managed it.

    #ProudToBeAYorkshireman

    She did it every week at PMQs
    The fact that the media soft ball Corbyn when he lies through his teeth is a different matter.
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207
    nichomar said:

    He's just lost the election by no first use of nuclear weapons, it's not credible that you would only retaliate once we had been attacked.

    He would not use them at all - well, maybe on the Americans......
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,279

    Corbyn struggling badly on this whole use of Trident.

    Openly being mocked by the audience is never a good look.

    Then IGNORING THEM!

    Lost election momentum at that minute methinks
    The election is not lost for as long as Theresa May is Tory leader.

    She's a bit crap.
    So crap she will likely get the highest Tory voteshare for almost half a century next week
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 77,895

    RoyalBlue said:

    That's it. Sunk.

    Not really, 49% of the UK population either want rid of Trident or want empty subs

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/trident-majority-of-britons-back-keeping-nuclear-weapons-programme-poll-shows-a6831376.html

    Not every Briton is a warmongerer.
    If we've got them, you need to be prepared to use them. If we're not prepared to use them - dump from the manifesto. Corbyn's stance is a nonsense.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Corbyn is a good speaker because he's spent 50 years addressing rallies.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,637
    Jezza looks like a broken man after that

    Unilateral Nuclear Disarmament Wanker
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,828

    So long as France has nuclear weapons, using Trident will be an important issue in this country

    If they ever scrapped their deterrent, perhaps we could finally enforce the Treaty of Troyes.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,279

    MaxPB said:

    Oh dear meltdown over Nuclear Weapons.

    The bubble has burst

    Fookin Unilateralist Idiot

    It'll come down to a basic question. What's most important. That you can't pay your bills despite working hard? Or that "if some idiot in Iran has launched missiles at us 'ow will you stop them"
    The safety of the realm figures very highly for people.
    You live in Switzerland outside NATO with no nuclear weapons. Do you lay awake worrying about the threat of being nuked by Iran?
    No, as most of the Iranian leadership probably have bank accounts in Geneva!!
  • Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    An alternative version of Corbyn who supported Trident and was a bit more immigration-sceptic would be romping home with a 100-seat majority.
  • glwglw Posts: 9,871

    Oh dear meltdown over Nuclear Weapons.

    The bubble has burst

    Fookin Unilateralist Idiot

    It'll come down to a basic question. What's most important. That you can't pay your bills despite working hard? Or that "if some idiot in Iran has launched missiles at us 'ow will you stop them"
    The nuclear question is a proxy for all security questions, and it's very simple, Corbyn can not be trusted to defend the UK.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 62,749
    He is poor on economy. This should have happened long before now
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,314
    Floater said:

    nichomar said:

    He's just lost the election by no first use of nuclear weapons, it's not credible that you would only retaliate once we had been attacked.

    He would not use them at all - well, maybe on the Americans......
    Or the Israelis.
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