I do fear the Lib Dems may go backwards at this election.
Fear? It is something to be rejoiced.
You have a funny view of democracy if you think that seeing a party that typically attracts the support of 10-20% of British voters being reduced to fewer than 9 out of 650 MPs is a good thing.
Looks like it is on course to get less than 10% now though.
So 50-60 MPs representing this point of view would not be an unreasonable expectation. .
Only if you support a proportional voting system. Which I do, but FPTP is what it is.
Crap, basically, which Labour promised to replace, then decided not to bother, when it seemed to be serving them well. What a big mistake that was! Mr Palmer and friends certainly f***ed up big time with that decision!
Parties who win under FPTP never want to change the system in the end. Look at Trudeau's u-turn in Canada for example.
Labour and Corbyn going for Mrs May tonight on the following narrative
Mrs May's police cuts, coupled with that 2015 interview, opportunities failed to catch him, and the intervention in Libya in 2011, the Manchester attack is May's arrogance/fault
In the Sun though? I wonder if they've found one of the Corynistas's saying that but not 'openly' .... if it's a full frontal 'assault' then that's Labour going 'all in' or shit or bust, I'd suggest & I'd have said too soon but we'll see.
The right of reply to Monday's article?
Don't tell the Canary they'd do that in the Sun...
I do fear the Lib Dems may go backwards at this election.
Fear? It is something to be rejoiced.
You have a funny view of democracy if you think that seeing a party that typically attracts the support of 10-20% of British voters being reduced to fewer than 9 out of 650 MPs is a good thing.
Looks like it is on course to get less than 10% now though.
So 50-60 MPs representing this point of view would not be an unreasonable expectation. .
Only if you support a proportional voting system. Which I do, but FPTP is what it is.
Crap, basically, which Labour promised to replace, then decided not to bother, when it seemed to be serving them well
Same thing has happened in Canada hasn't it? Funny how that goes. Lack of certainty over what to replace it with was the excuse there IIRC, when lack of certainty of the replacement never stopped them promising to replace it.
Not the best suggestion... 'There is a light that never goes out' is most fitting I say, esp as the original words were 'there is a light in your eyes that never goes out'
If Labour are going to go all political on this then it is going to backfire hugely.
Why? The true believers will love it, and if the Tories cock up their response to such an attack, which given the crapness of their campaign is possible, and even if it should backfire, will it?
Kate McCannVerified account @KateEMcCann 3m3 minutes ago More Westminster bridge closed, police investigating vehicle which has been left there unattended
Not the smartest time/place to leave your car ....... come back to find the army have blown it up.
Labour and Corbyn going for Mrs May tonight on the following narrative
Mrs May's police cuts, coupled with that 2015 interview, opportunities failed to catch him, and the intervention in Libya in 2011, the Manchester attack is May's arrogance/fault
In the Sun though? I wonder if they've found one of the Corynistas's saying that but not 'openly' .... if it's a full frontal 'assault' then that's Labour going 'all in' or shit or bust, I'd suggest & I'd have said too soon but we'll see.
The right of reply to Monday's article?
Don't tell the Canary they'd do that in the Sun...
That'd be like the captain of Spurs quitting the club and signing for Arsenal on a Bosman?
Labour and Corbyn going for Mrs May tonight on the following narrative
Mrs May's police cuts, coupled with that 2015 interview, opportunities failed to catch him, and te intervention in Libya in 2011, the Manchester attack is May's arrogance/fault
Surely they're not that stupid, and would know what would come back in return if they tried to blame the government for a terrorist attack, at the same time as supporting unlimited immigration of refugees, the disbanding of the security services and taking tea & biscuits with ISIS?
It's one thing having the Police Federation union complain about numbers and conditions, but if Labour politicians are going to try it the outcome will be sub optimal. The Tories will calmly defend while giving a nudge to the papers to go in hard.
Labour and Corbyn going for Mrs May tonight on the following narrative
Mrs May's police cuts, coupled with that 2015 interview, opportunities failed to catch him, and the intervention in Libya in 2011, the Manchester attack is May's arrogance/fault
Whose police cuts? The budget was not set by the Home Secretary but by the Chancellor of the Exchequer. You know, that bloke you are always praising. Oh and the Libyan war was not started by the Home Secretary at the time but by that other bloke you seem to think was so wonderful.
The Labour party will not be able to resist going after May on this. Of course, if they do that, they'll open the floodgates for an Olympic size swimming pool of excrement to be dumped straight onto Corbyn, McDonnell and Abbott.
The Sun and the Mail will do the Tories' work for them.
Kate McCannVerified account @KateEMcCann 3m3 minutes ago More Westminster bridge closed, police investigating vehicle which has been left there unattended
Not the smartest time/place to leave your car ....... come back to find the army have blown it up.
Kate McCannVerified account @KateEMcCann 3m3 minutes ago More Westminster bridge closed, police investigating vehicle which has been left there unattended
Not the smartest time/place to leave your car ....... come back to find the army have blown it up.
And that Twitter account appears to have been suddenly discontinued
I do fear the Lib Dems may go backwards at this election.
Fear? It is something to be rejoiced.
You have a funny view of democracy if you think that seeing a party that typically attracts the support of 10-20% of British voters being reduced to fewer than 9 out of 650 MPs is a good thing.
Looks like it is on course to get less than 10% now though.
So 50-60 MPs representing this point of view would not be an unreasonable expectation. .
Only if you support a proportional voting system. Which I do, but FPTP is what it is.
Crap, basically, which Labour promised to replace, then decided not to bother, when it seemed to be serving them well. What a big mistake that was! Mr Palmer and friends certainly f***ed up big time with that decision!
If Labour ever offer PR to the LibDems in return for an electoral pact, then you should agree....but take hostages this time.
Labour and Corbyn going for Mrs May tonight on the following narrative
Mrs May's police cuts, coupled with that 2015 interview, opportunities failed to catch him, and the intervention in Libya in 2011, the Manchester attack is May's arrogance/fault
Whose police cuts? The budget was not set by the Home Secretary but by the Chancellor of the Exchequer. You know, that bloke you are always praising. Oh and the Libyan war was not started by the Home Secretary at the time but by that other bloke you seem to think was so wonderful.
Unfortunately the video I'm talking about means Mrs May owns the cuts (sic)
Labour and Corbyn going for Mrs May tonight on the following narrative
Mrs May's police cuts, coupled with that 2015 interview, opportunities failed to catch him, and the intervention in Libya in 2011, the Manchester attack is May's arrogance/fault
If they do Crosby has a free pass to dump Corbyn's entire terrorist sympathising history all over his head in the last fortnight, not to mention Osborne actually protected police funding in 2015 and if Corbyn had his way there would be an open border and we would not be bombing ISIS
Bernard, Yes Minister, Party Games: "I think that is probably what he [Hacker, or Crosby here] was planning to do anyway."
Edit: when tasked by Sir Humphrey and Arnold with ensuring Jim Hacker did nothing controversial and expresses no firm opinion about anything at all.
The Labour party will not be able to resist going after May on this. Of course, if they do that, they'll open the floodgates for an Olympic size swimming pool of excrement to be dumped straight onto Corbyn, McDonnell and Abbott.
The Sun and the Mail will do the Tories' work for them.
If only Labour had decent leadership, the Tories and the hapless and hopeless May would be toast while the country could look forward to a brighter future. But alas..
Labour and Corbyn going for Mrs May tonight on the following narrative
Mrs May's police cuts, coupled with that 2015 interview, opportunities failed to catch him, and the intervention in Libya in 2011, the Manchester attack is May's arrogance/fault
Whose police cuts? The budget was not set by the Home Secretary but by the Chancellor of the Exchequer. You know, that bloke you are always praising. Oh and the Libyan war was not started by the Home Secretary at the time but by that other bloke you seem to think was so wonderful.
She supported the actions of the government of which she was a part and presumably still does. I think her record would stand up to scrutiny, but by remaining part of the government she implicitly backed what it did, and on issues within her department no doubt did so explicitly.
Kate McCannVerified account @KateEMcCann 3m3 minutes ago More Westminster bridge closed, police investigating vehicle which has been left there unattended
Not the smartest time/place to leave your car ....... come back to find the army have blown it up.
Still safer than leaving it parked up in Liverpool.
The Labour party will not be able to resist going after May on this. Of course, if they do that, they'll open the floodgates for an Olympic size swimming pool of excrement to be dumped straight onto Corbyn, McDonnell and Abbott.
The Sun and the Mail will do the Tories' work for them.
If only Labour had decent leadership, the Tories and the hapless and hopeless May would be toast while the country could look forward to a brighter future. But alas..
Not true, the weekend yougov also showed May beating Khan, Cooper and Umunna comfortably
If Labour are going to go all political on this then it is going to backfire hugely.
Why? The true believers will love it, and if the Tories cock up their response to such an attack, which given the crapness of their campaign is possible, and even if it should backfire, will it?
The Tories will then go for the jugular on Corbyn's terrorist friendly past
The Labour party will not be able to resist going after May on this. Of course, if they do that, they'll open the floodgates for an Olympic size swimming pool of excrement to be dumped straight onto Corbyn, McDonnell and Abbott.
The Sun and the Mail will do the Tories' work for them.
If only Labour had decent leadership, the Tories and the hapless and hopeless May would be toast while the country could look forward to a brighter future. But alas..
Problem here. There are no decent leaders in the PLP. And please, please don't say Yvette Cooper......
The Labour party will not be able to resist going after May on this. Of course, if they do that, they'll open the floodgates for an Olympic size swimming pool of excrement to be dumped straight onto Corbyn, McDonnell and Abbott.
The Sun and the Mail will do the Tories' work for them.
If only Labour had decent leadership, the Tories and the hapless and hopeless May would be toast while the country could look forward to a brighter future. But alas..
Not true, the weekend yougov also showed May beating Khan, Cooper and Umunna comfortably
Pointless comparisons. Does anyone actually take alternative leader polls seriously?
Labour and Corbyn going for Mrs May tonight on the following narrative
Mrs May's police cuts, coupled with that 2015 interview, opportunities failed to catch him, and the intervention in Libya in 2011, the Manchester attack is May's arrogance/fault
If they do Crosby has a free pass to dump Corbyn's entire terrorist sympathising history all over his head in the last fortnight, not to mention Osborne actually protected police funding in 2015 and if Corbyn had his way there would be an open border and we would not be bombing ISIS
Bernard, Yes Minister, Party Games: "I think that is probably what he [Hacker, or Crosby here] was planning to do anyway."
Edit: when tasked by Sir Humphrey and Arnold with ensuring Jim Hacker did nothing controversial and expresses no firm opinion about anything at all.
Pre Manchester, post Manchester it would have been more difficult but if Corbyn wants to attack May on security she will let Crosby off his leash
The Labour party will not be able to resist going after May on this. Of course, if they do that, they'll open the floodgates for an Olympic size swimming pool of excrement to be dumped straight onto Corbyn, McDonnell and Abbott.
The Sun and the Mail will do the Tories' work for them.
If only Labour had decent leadership, the Tories and the hapless and hopeless May would be toast while the country could look forward to a brighter future. But alas..
Not true, the weekend yougov also showed May beating Khan, Cooper and Umunna comfortably
Pointless comparisons. Does anyone actually take alternative leader polls seriously?
Back in 2005, similar polls show Gordon Brown beating David Cameron in a general election.
Kate McCannVerified account @KateEMcCann 3m3 minutes ago More Westminster bridge closed, police investigating vehicle which has been left there unattended
Not the smartest time/place to leave your car ....... come back to find the army have blown it up.
Still safer than leaving it parked up in Liverpool.
The Labour party will not be able to resist going after May on this. Of course, if they do that, they'll open the floodgates for an Olympic size swimming pool of excrement to be dumped straight onto Corbyn, McDonnell and Abbott.
The Sun and the Mail will do the Tories' work for them.
If only Labour had decent leadership, the Tories and the hapless and hopeless May would be toast while the country could look forward to a brighter future. But alas..
Not true, the weekend yougov also showed May beating Khan, Cooper and Umunna comfortably
Pointless comparisons. Does anyone actually take alternative leader polls seriously?
Back in 2005, similar polls show Gordon Brown beating David Cameron in a general election.
I remember those polls and they actually showed Cameron taking the Tories to around 36% with Brown on 39% so pretty close to what Cameron got in 2010 and 3% more than Howard got, Cooper and Umunna were on 33% to Corbyn's 35% and Khan on 36% so no real difference, May was on at least 44% in all
If Labour are going to go all political on this then it is going to backfire hugely.
Why? The true believers will love it, and if the Tories cock up their response to such an attack, which given the crapness of their campaign is possible, and even if it should backfire, will it?
Think it will allow the Tories to go jugular on Corbyn's past statements.
True believers aren't representative of the general public.
Kate McCannVerified account @KateEMcCann 3m3 minutes ago More Westminster bridge closed, police investigating vehicle which has been left there unattended
Not the smartest time/place to leave your car ....... come back to find the army have blown it up.
Still safer than leaving it parked up in Liverpool.
I do fear the Lib Dems may go backwards at this election.
Fear? It is something to be rejoiced.
You have a funny view of democracy if you think that seeing a party that typically attracts the support of 10-20% of British voters being reduced to fewer than 9 out of 650 MPs is a good thing.
Looks like it is on course to get less than 10% now though.
So 50-60 MPs representing this point of view would not be an unreasonable expectation. .
Only if you support a proportional voting system. Which I do, but FPTP is what it is.
Crap, basically, which Labour promised to replace, then decided not to bother, when it seemed to be serving them well
Same thing has happened in Canada hasn't it? Funny how that goes. Lack of certainty over what to replace it with was the excuse there IIRC, when lack of certainty of the replacement never stopped them promising to replace it.
I mentioned Canada too. Great minds think a like and all
If Labour are going to go all political on this then it is going to backfire hugely.
Why? The true believers will love it, and if the Tories cock up their response to such an attack, which given the crapness of their campaign is possible, and even if it should backfire, will it?
Think it will allow the Tories to go jugular on Corbyn's past statements.
True believers aren't representative of the general public.
No, but the Tory campaign has been so complacent and poor, I'mnot convinced they can rebut it as easily as they should.
I do fear the Lib Dems may go backwards at this election.
Fear? It is something to be rejoiced.
You have a funny view of democracy if you think that seeing a party that typically attracts the support of 10-20% of British voters being reduced to fewer than 9 out of 650 MPs is a good thing.
Looks like it is on course to get less than 10% now though.
So 50-60 MPs representing this point of view would not be an unreasonable expectation. .
Only if you support a proportional voting system. Which I do, but FPTP is what it is.
Crap, basically, which Labour promised to replace, then decided not to bother, when it seemed to be serving them well
Same thing has happened in Canada hasn't it? Funny how that goes. Lack of certainty over what to replace it with was the excuse there IIRC, when lack of certainty of the replacement never stopped them promising to replace it.
I mentioned Canada too. Great minds think a like and all
If Labour are going to go all political on this then it is going to backfire hugely.
Why? The true believers will love it, and if the Tories cock up their response to such an attack, which given the crapness of their campaign is possible, and even if it should backfire, will it?
Think it will allow the Tories to go jugular on Corbyn's past statements.
True believers aren't representative of the general public.
No, but the Tory campaign has been so complacent and poor, I'mnot convinced they can rebut it as easily as they should.
Fingers crossed that this pause has allowed them to catch their breath and re-assess things.
The Labour party will not be able to resist going after May on this. Of course, if they do that, they'll open the floodgates for an Olympic size swimming pool of excrement to be dumped straight onto Corbyn, McDonnell and Abbott.
The Sun and the Mail will do the Tories' work for them.
If only Labour had decent leadership, the Tories and the hapless and hopeless May would be toast while the country could look forward to a brighter future. But alas..
Labour has a lot more problems than just the leadership (even if if is the worst in living memory), you have a split parliamentary party, nonsensical and unaffordable policies, and a new membership which is full of moonbats. Apart from that everything is great.
If Labour are going to go all political on this then it is going to backfire hugely.
Why? The true believers will love it, and if the Tories cock up their response to such an attack, which given the crapness of their campaign is possible, and even if it should backfire, will it?
Think it will allow the Tories to go jugular on Corbyn's past statements.
True believers aren't representative of the general public.
No, but the Tory campaign has been so complacent and poor, I'mnot convinced they can rebut it as easily as they should.
I do fear the Lib Dems may go backwards at this election.
Fear? It is something to be rejoiced.
You have a funny view of democracy if you think that seeing a party that typically attracts the support of 10-20% of British voters being reduced to fewer than 9 out of 650 MPs is a good thing.
Looks like it is on course to get less than 10% now though.
So 50-60 MPs representing this point of view would not be an unreasonable expectation. .
Only if you support a proportional voting system. Which I do, but FPTP is what it is.
Crap, basically, which Labour promised to replace, then decided not to bother, when it seemed to be serving them well
Same thing has happened in Canada hasn't it? Funny how that goes. Lack of certainty over what to replace it with was the excuse there IIRC, when lack of certainty of the replacement never stopped them promising to replace it.
I mentioned Canada too. Great minds think a like and all
Got that right.
The first part of the Tory campaign has been making tough policy decisions in contrast to Corbyn's free lolly pops, the second part of the campaign will be going for the kill on his record
Given that Mr Cole is of the right wing and works for the Sun, that reference to 'hard core ideology' suggests it's someone on the left that's about to unleash a verbal attack.
Given the source, and the "hard core" stuff - suggest it's going to a case of the strange fellow travellers of Mr Corbyn semi-outside the Labour Party proper who are either going on a rant or having their rants publicised at 10pm.
For one horrible moment I thought (for some reason) that it could be Ken Hitler, again. I hope not.
Crap, basically, which Labour promised to replace, then decided not to bother, when it seemed to be serving them well. What a big mistake that was! Mr Palmer and friends certainly f***ed up big time with that decision!
FWIW I've always favoured PR and said so before, during and after I was in Parliament (where I was a member of the Labour campaign for PR). Like people with beards, we're not all the same, y'know.
That said, I think that in the current era with traditional loyalties breaking down, it's even more sensible than it was then.
Crap, basically, which Labour promised to replace, then decided not to bother, when it seemed to be serving them well. What a big mistake that was! Mr Palmer and friends certainly f***ed up big time with that decision!
FWIW I've always favoured PR and said so before, during and after I was in Parliament (where I was a member of the Labour campaign for PR). Like people with beards, we're not all the same, y'know.
That said, I think that in the current era with traditional loyalties breaking down, it's even more sensible than it was then.
The polls are showing 2 party politics as more dominant than we've seen for decades...
If this poll shows Labour seriously closing in the Conservatives (I presume that's what he's implying now thinking about it) then WTH? I won't even know what to say about May anymore.
Alternatively, it could be a v bad poll for Labour, but would that be newsworthy?
It may not be a poll.
The tories going for Corbyn's jugular is my guess.
I recon Lynton's decided a massive partisan *terrorism* fight will work in TM's favour.
Cole's second tweet talks about a hardcore ideology. That doesn't sound like the Tories. But what do I know!
If Labour are going to go all political on this then it is going to backfire hugely.
Why? The true believers will love it, and if the Tories cock up their response to such an attack, which given the crapness of their campaign is possible, and even if it should backfire, will it?
Think it will allow the Tories to go jugular on Corbyn's past statements.
True believers aren't representative of the general public.
No, but the Tory campaign has been so complacent and poor, I'mnot convinced they can rebut it as easily as they should.
I do fear the Lib Dems may go backwards at this election.
Fear? It is something to be rejoiced.
You have a funny view of democracy if you think that seeing a party that typically attracts the support of 10-20% of British voters being reduced to fewer than 9 out of 650 MPs is a good thing.
Looks like it is on course to get less than 10% now though.
So 50-60 MPs representing this point of view would not be an unreasonable expectation. .
Only if you support a proportional voting system. Which I do, but FPTP is what it is.
Crap, basically, which Labour promised to replace, then decided not to bother, when it seemed to be serving them well
Same thing has happened in Canada hasn't it? Funny how that goes. Lack of certainty over what to replace it with was the excuse there IIRC, when lack of certainty of the replacement never stopped them promising to replace it.
I mentioned Canada too. Great minds think a like and all
Got that right.
The first part of the Tory campaign has been making tough policy decisions in contrast to Corbyn's free lolly pops, the second part of the campaign will be going for the kill on his record
And I'm fine with making tough policy decisions, and thought they'd take some hit for that. But they haven't present it well, and even taking a step back they wouldn't have wanted or expected to see Corbyn rising so high.
If Labour are going to go all political on this then it is going to backfire hugely.
Why? The true believers will love it, and if the Tories cock up their response to such an attack, which given the crapness of their campaign is possible, and even if it should backfire, will it?
Think it will allow the Tories to go jugular on Corbyn's past statements.
True believers aren't representative of the general public.
No, but the Tory campaign has been so complacent and poor, I'mnot convinced they can rebut it as easily as they should.
I do fear the Lib Dems may go backwards at this election.
Fear? It is something to be rejoiced.
You have a funny view of democracy if you think that seeing a party that typically attracts the support of 10-20% of British voters being reduced to fewer than 9 out of 650 MPs is a good thing.
Looks like it is on course to get less than 10% now though.
So 50-60 MPs representing this point of view would not be an unreasonable expectation. .
Only if you support a proportional voting system. Which I do, but FPTP is what it is.
Crap, basically, which Labour promised to replace, then decided not to bother, when it seemed to be serving them well
Same thing has happened in Canada hasn't it? Funny how that goes. Lack of certainty over what to replace it with was the excuse there IIRC, when lack of certainty of the replacement never stopped them promising to replace it.
I mentioned Canada too. Great minds think a like and all
Got that right.
The first part of the Tory campaign has been making tough policy decisions in contrast to Corbyn's free lolly pops, the second part of the campaign will be going for the kill on his record
And I'm fine with making tough policy decisions, and thought they'd take some hit for that. But they haven't present it well, and even taking a step back they wouldn't have wanted or expected to see Corbyn rising so high.
The Tory share was still on 44% even with yougov, the move to Corbyn came almost entirely from the LDs not the Tories in that poll
If Labour are going to go all political on this then it is going to backfire hugely.
Why? The true believers will love it, and if the Tories cock up their response to such an attack, which given the crapness of their campaign is possible, and even if it should backfire, will it?
Think it will allow the Tories to go jugular on Corbyn's past statements.
True believers aren't representative of the general public.
No, but the Tory campaign has been so complacent and poor, I'mnot convinced they can rebut it as easily as they should.
I do fear the Lib Dems may go backwards at this election.
Fear? It is something to be rejoiced.
You have a funny view of democracy if you think that seeing a party that typically attracts the support of 10-20% of British voters being reduced to fewer than 9 out of 650 MPs is a good thing.
Looks like it is on course to get less than 10% now though.
So 50-60 MPs representing this point of view would not be an unreasonable expectation. .
Only if you support a proportional voting system. Which I do, but FPTP is what it is.
Crap, basically, which Labour promised to replace, then decided not to bother, when it seemed to be serving them well
Same thing has happened in Canada hasn't it? Funny how that goes. Lack of certainty over what to replace it with was the excuse there IIRC, when lack of certainty of the replacement never stopped them promising to replace it.
I mentioned Canada too. Great minds think a like and all
Got that right.
The first part of the Tory campaign has been making tough policy decisions in contrast to Corbyn's free lolly pops, the second part of the campaign will be going for the kill on his record
And I'm fine with making tough policy decisions, and thought they'd take some hit for that. But they haven't present it well, and even taking a step back they wouldn't have wanted or expected to see Corbyn rising so high.
All evidence we've seen suggests Labour are doing well With their urban core vote. This suits the Tories just fine...
Not the best suggestion... 'There is a light that never goes out' is most fitting I say, esp as the original words were 'there is a light in your eyes that never goes out'
If Labour are going to go all political on this then it is going to backfire hugely.
Why? The true believers will love it, and if the Tories cock up their response to such an attack, which given the crapness of their campaign is possible, and even if it should backfire, will it?
Think it will allow the Tories to go jugular on Corbyn's past statements.
True believers aren't representative of the general public.
No, but the Tory campaign has been so complacent and poor, I'mnot convinced they can rebut it as easily as they should.
I do fear the Lib Dems may go backwards at this election.
Fear? It is something to be rejoiced.
You have a funny view of democracy if you think that seeing a party that typically attracts the support of 10-20% of British voters being reduced to fewer than 9 out of 650 MPs is a good thing.
Looks like it is on course to get less than 10% now though.
So 50-60 MPs representing this point of view would not be an unreasonable expectation. .
Only if you support a proportional voting system. Which I do, but FPTP is what it is.
Crap, basically, which Labour promised to replace, then decided not to bother, when it seemed to be serving them well
Same thing has happened in Canada hasn't it? Funny how that goes. Lack of certainty over what to replace it with was the excuse there IIRC, when lack of certainty of the replacement never stopped them promising to replace it.
I mentioned Canada too. Great minds think a like and all
Got that right.
The first part of the Tory campaign has been making tough policy decisions in contrast to Corbyn's free lolly pops, the second part of the campaign will be going for the kill on his record
And I'm fineorbyn rising so high.
The Tory share was still on 44% even with yougov, the move to Corbyn came almost entirely from the LDs not the Tories in that poll
Yes, but they didn't expect him to make progress as he has, I have little doubt. Their campaign should have prevented that.
Why? The true believers will love it, and if the Tories cock up their response to such an attack, which given the crapness of their campaign is possible, and even if it should backfire, will it?
Think it will allow the Tories to go jugular on Corbyn's past statements.
True believers aren't representative of the general public.
No, but the Tory campaign has been so complacent and poor, I'mnot convinced they can rebut it as easily as they should.
I do fear the Lib Dems may go backwards at this election.
Fear? It is something to be rejoiced.
You have a funny view of democracy if you think that seeing a party that typically attracts the support of 10-20% of British voters being reduced to fewer than 9 out of 650 MPs is a good thing.
Looks like it is on course to get less than 10% now though.
So 50-60 MPs representing this point of view would not be an unreasonable expectation. .
Only if you support a proportional voting system. Which I do, but FPTP is what it is.
Crap, basically, which Labour promised to replace, then decided not to bother, when it seemed to be serving them well
Same thing has happened in Canada hasn't it? Funny how that goes. Lack of certainty over what to replace it with was the excuse there IIRC, when lack of certainty of the replacement never stopped them promising to replace it.
I mentioned Canada too. Great minds think a like and all
Got that right.
The first part of the Tory campaign has been making tough policy decisions in contrast to Corbyn's free lolly pops, the second part of the campaign will be going for the kill on his record
And I'm fineorbyn rising so high.
The Tory share was still on 44% even with yougov, the move to Corbyn came almost entirely from the LDs not the Tories in that poll
Yes, but they didn't expect him to make progress as he has, I have little doubt. Their campaign should have prevented that.
How could their campaign have prevented the Lib Dem (polling) failure?
If Labour are going to go all political on this then it is going to backfire hugely.
Why? The true believers will love it, and if the Tories cock up their response to such an attack, which given the crapness of their campaign is possible, and even if it should backfire, will it?
Think it will allow the Tories to go jugular on Corbyn's past statements.
True believers aren't representative of the general public.
No, but the Tory campaign has been so complacent and poor, I'mnot convinced they can rebut it as easily as they should.
I do fear the Lib Dems may go backwards at this election.
Fear? It is something to be rejoiced.
You .
Looks like it is on course to get less than 10% now though.
So 50-60 MPs representing this point of view would not be an unreasonable expectation. .
Only if you support a proportional voting system. Which I do, but FPTP is what it is.
Crap, basically, which Labour promised to replace, then decided not to bother, when it seemed to be serving them well
Same thing has happened in Canada hasn't it? Funny how that goes. Lack of certainty over what to replace it with was the excuse there IIRC, when lack of certainty of the replacement never stopped them promising to replace it.
I mentioned Canada too. Great minds think a like and all
Got that right.
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And I'm fineorbyn rising so high.
The Tory share was still on 44% even with yougov, the move to Corbyn came almost entirely from the LDs not the Tories in that poll
Yes, but they didn't expect him to make progress as he has, I have little doubt. Their campaign should have prevented that.
They will move on him in the final fortnight, the first phase was preparing a platform for government but I think some Tories would prefer a majority of 50-100 or so with Corbyn staying on after the election than a majority of around 150 and Corbyn going although I happen to think that is a mistake the Tories will still win comfortably
They will move on him in the final fortnight, the first phase was preparing a platform for government but I think some Tories would prefer a majority of 50-100 or so with Corbyn staying on after the election than a majority of around 150 and Corbyn going although I happen to think that is a mistake the Tories will still win comfortably
You can't get as cute as that with what you want to win by, the Tory manifesto was a major screw up. Just admit it ! However it's been superseded by events.
The Mirror looks like it's going to retain its 2015 crown as most partisan newspaper:
That doesn't surprise me in the slightest, it's a garbage newspaper written by and for idiots.
For all the stick the Mail gets (which it deserves), it is still not as partisan as the Mirror. And the Mirror has been a huge offender in the old phone hacking, but surprisingly has not faced any of the boycotts that drove the News of the World out of business. Strange that.
I think some of this hype about the supposed brilliance of the Labour campaign is wildly exaggerated. Let's just remember some of the highlights: Diane Abbott's maths, Angela Rayner's maths, shambles over Trident renewal, McDonnell's rant in front of Stalinist flags at May Day, Corbyn's confusion over the benefits freeze, Burnham refusing to be present for Corbyn's post-poll victory rally to Manchester, Labour candidates refusing to feature their own leader on their campaign material because of his toxicity, the appointment of ultra-leftist Andrew Murray as camaign co-ordinator, Corbyn's refusal to condemn the IRA. If any of these things had happened to previous Labour leaders, they would have been crucified. But we have become so desensitized to Corbyn's extremism and incompetence that none of this seems to matter. Expectations are so low that he is being given an easy ride. Moreover, the very fact that he is not thought likely to win frees his party to be utterly irresponsible about the costs of its policies, breezily announcing £9 billion here (abolition of tuition fees) or £8 billion there (annual increase for the NHS). No previous Labour campaign could have away with such fiscal recklessness. But Corbyn is able to spout profligate, spendthrift nonsense precisely because he is not seen as a likely Prime Minister.
They will move on him in the final fortnight, the first phase was preparing a platform for government but I think some Tories would prefer a majority of 50-100 or so with Corbyn staying on after the election than a majority of around 150 and Corbyn going although I happen to think that is a mistake the Tories will still win comfortably
You can't get as cute as that with what you want to win by, the Tory manifesto was a major screw up. Just admit it ! However it's been superseded by events.
Politically it gave May a small hit but if she wins comfortably in the end she will have far more room to do what she wants in government than Cameron had
Not the best suggestion... 'There is a light that never goes out' is most fitting I say, esp as the original words were 'there is a light in your eyes that never goes out'
Labour and Corbyn going for Mrs May tonight on the following narrative
Mrs May's police cuts, coupled with that 2015 interview, opportunities failed to catch him, and the intervention in Libya in 2011, the Manchester attack is May's arrogance/fault
Keeping tabs on persons of interest is not the job of the police. Its MI5 who do that and they have had increased funding. Would you care to agree that its likely that Mrs May as Home Secretary insisted on that? Its a very difficult and debilitating job for these spooks to watch people 24 hours a day - there is I am told a book out by an ex operative who explains just how it ended up nearly ruining his life. And about a year ago - if you can recall - there was a big spash about the 600 heavily armed police being brought in to police London. it was also pointed outn that these SWAT like police would be assisting many 'newly recruited' ordinary specially trained armed officers.
Its hard to see where the government has been backsliding on security. Its not even possible to say that the emphasis on security is affecting other crimes as recorded crime seems to be falling.
So all in it seems very difficult to criticise Mrs May. Would you care to agree?
If Labour are going to go all political on this then it is going to backfire hugely.
Why? The true believers will love it, and if the Tories cock up their response to such an attack, which given the crapness of their campaign is possible, and even if it should backfire, will it?
Think it will allow the Tories to go jugular on Corbyn's past statements.
True believers aren't representative of the general public.
No, but the Tory campaign has been so complacent and poor, I'mnot convinced they can rebut it as easily as they should.
I do fear the Lib Dems may go backwards at this election.
Fear? It is something to be rejoiced.
Looks like it is on course to get less than 10% now though.
So 50-60 MPs representing this point of view would not be an unreasonable expectation. .
Only if you support a proportional voting system. Which I do, but FPTP is what it is.
Crap, basically, which Labour promised to replace, then decided not to bother, when it seemed to be serving them well
Same thing has happened in Canada hasn't it? Funny how that goes. Lack of certainty over what to replace it with was the excuse there IIRC, when lack of certainty of the replacement never stopped them promising to replace it.
I mentioned Canada too. Great minds think a like and all
Got that right.
The first part of the Tory campaign has been making tough policy decisions in contrast to Corbyn's free lolly pops, the second part of the campaign will be going for the kill on his record
And I'm fine with making tough policy decisions, and thought they'd take some hit for that. But they haven't present it well, and even taking a step back they wouldn't have wanted or expected to see Corbyn rising so high.
The Tory share was still on 44% even with yougov, the move to Corbyn came almost entirely from the LDs not the Tories in that poll
No it did not . LDs were unchanged in that poll Labour up 4 Con down 5 on the previous poll
I do fear the Lib Dems may go backwards at this election.
Fear? It is something to be rejoiced.
Looks like it is on course to get less than 10% now though.
So 50-60 MPs representing this point of view would not be an unreasonable expectation. .
Only if you support a proportional voting system. Which I do, but FPTP is what it is.
Crap, basically, which Labour promised to replace, then decided not to bother, when it seemed to be serving them well
Same thing has happened in to replace it.
I mentioned Canada too. Great minds think a like and all
Got that right.
The first part of the Tory campaign has been making tough policy decisions in contrast to Corbyn's free lolly pops, the second part of the campaign will be going for the kill on his record
And I'm fine with making tough policy decisions, and thought they'd take some hit for that. But they haven't present it well, and even taking a step back they wouldn't have wanted or expected to see Corbyn rising so high.
The Tory share was still on 44% even with yougov, the move to Corbyn came almost entirely from the LDs not the Tories in that poll
No it did not . LDs were unchanged in that poll Labour up 4 Con down 5 on the previous poll
Apologies should have made clear since 2015 general election, since 2015 Tories were still small net gainers from Labour but Labour net gainers from LDs and LDs small net gainers from Tories, main movement though UKIP to Tory
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https://twitter.com/gageykev/status/867786127436132354
It's one thing having the Police Federation union complain about numbers and conditions, but if Labour politicians are going to try it the outcome will be sub optimal. The Tories will calmly defend while giving a nudge to the papers to go in hard.
The Sun and the Mail will do the Tories' work for them.
Will definitely be giving it a miss, seeing as Mr Opportunist (Burnham) is on.
Edit: when tasked by Sir Humphrey and Arnold with ensuring Jim Hacker did nothing controversial and expresses no firm opinion about anything at all.
True believers aren't representative of the general public.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_and_dependencies_by_number_of_police_officers
Mrs May is more popular than metropolitans will be appreciate.
https://twitter.com/JenniferJJacobs/status/867801970094034944
As much as some people wish it, you don't win an election by pleasing the Mayfair hedgies.
For one horrible moment I thought (for some reason) that it could be Ken Hitler, again. I hope not.
That said, I think that in the current era with traditional loyalties breaking down, it's even more sensible than it was then.
With their urban core vote. This suits the Tories just fine...
But constituency poll health warning !
https://twitter.com/lboroCRCC/status/867787357939843072
However it's been superseded by events.
Olney has the better chance because she's running against such a damaged Tory candidate.
Edit: And Sir Vince may well be backing himself in Twickenham. (Odd activity)
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For all the stick the Mail gets (which it deserves), it is still not as partisan as the Mirror. And the Mirror has been a huge offender in the old phone hacking, but surprisingly has not faced any of the boycotts that drove the News of the World out of business. Strange that.
I think we have to let the kids have this one.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BPgEgaPk62M
It's not a terrible song i guess.
Its MI5 who do that and they have had increased funding. Would you care to agree that its likely that Mrs May as Home Secretary insisted on that?
Its a very difficult and debilitating job for these spooks to watch people 24 hours a day - there is I am told a book out by an ex operative who explains just how it ended up nearly ruining his life.
And about a year ago - if you can recall - there was a big spash about the 600 heavily armed police being brought in to police London. it was also pointed outn that these SWAT like police would be assisting many 'newly recruited' ordinary specially trained armed officers.
Its hard to see where the government has been backsliding on security. Its not even possible to say that the emphasis on security is affecting other crimes as recorded crime seems to be falling.
So all in it seems very difficult to criticise Mrs May. Would you care to agree?