If this is an islamist attack, I'm afraid we need to implement what SeanT has been advocating. Ban cousin marriages, ban the face veil, prosecute FGM, ban foreign funding for Mosques, close down salafi/whabbist mosques etc etc. We need to push the extremists out. We do the above and they will go.
I have been very reluctant to say this, but we clearly have a much bigger problem on our hands then we ever thought we would.
Dream on. The response will be: "Islam is a peaceful religion" etc etc, as is always, ad infinitum.
If this is an islamist attack, I'm afraid we need to implement what SeanT has been advocating. Ban cousin marriages, ban the face veil, prosecute FGM, ban forein funding for Mosques, close down salafi/whabbist mosques etc etc. We need to push the extremists out. We do the above and they will go.
WAIT until we find out the facts!!!!!
Yeah, I am a big critic of radical Islam, but lets wait and see
Again, I'm going to say wait. Something that destructive looks like an deliberate explosion but in any densely packed area any large bang accidental or not is going to cause damage.
Eyewitness reports really lack any thread.
You are right - it could be the stampede which caused the fatalities after a minor explosion. As ever, getting ahead of myself.
If you look at some of the walking wounded, no shrapnel, all lower limbs and bleeding ears so a people knocked over situation is likely. What we don't see is who is being wheeled out.
Credit to the cops they look to have made a tight cordon against media.
A sky reporter sounds like they have (seen) pictures of seriously injuried being treated but aren't showing them.
If this is an islamist attack, I'm afraid we need to implement what SeanT has been advocating. Ban cousin marriages, ban the face veil, prosecute FGM, ban foreign funding for Mosques, close down salafi/whabbist mosques etc etc. We need to push the extremists out. We do the above and they will go.
I have been very reluctant to say this, but we clearly have a much bigger problem on our hands then we ever thought we would.
How exactly are any of those going to stop maniacs with nail bombs?
Not at once, but over time it will reduce the problem of a section of the muslim society that is unwilling to intergrate. We will have fewer hate prechers which in turn reduces the number of incidents like these. They are not just "nutters", they know what they are doing based on a sick and peverted ideology, we need to stop the recruitment of that preverted ideology as much as we can. What we are doing now is not enough.
If this is an islamist attack, I'm afraid we need to implement what SeanT has been advocating. Ban cousin marriages, ban the face veil, prosecute FGM, ban foreign funding for Mosques, close down salafi/whabbist mosques etc etc. We need to push the extremists out. We do the above and they will go.
I have been very reluctant to say this, but we clearly have a much bigger problem on our hands then we ever thought we would.
How exactly are any of those going to stop maniacs with nail bombs?
Not at once, but over time it will reduce the problem of a section of the muslim society that is unwilling to intergrate. We will have fewer hate prechers which in turn reduces the number of incidents like these. They are not just "nutters", they know what they are doing based on a sick and peverted ideology, we need to stop the recruitment of that preverted ideology as much as we can. What we are doing now is not enough.
If this is an islamist attack, I'm afraid we need to implement what SeanT has been advocating. Ban cousin marriages, ban the face veil, prosecute FGM, ban foreign funding for Mosques, close down salafi/whabbist mosques etc etc. We need to push the extremists out. We do the above and they will go.
I have been very reluctant to say this, but we clearly have a much bigger problem on our hands then we ever thought we would.
Dream on. The response will be: "Islam is a peaceful religion" etc etc, as is always, ad infinitum.
Unfortunately, the ideology of multiculturalism means we all must now live in fear.
My friend was on the Underground the other day and saw a guy watching Jihadi execution and recruitment videos via WhatsApp on his phone, brazenly, during commuter time. He naturally reported what he saw to the police.
I've been ignoring the Arianne Grande story and running some numbers on Scottish LD targets. Here are four of the five LibDem targets, looking solely at their Scottish Parliamentary elections, and looking simply at number of votes.
What's fascinating (to me) is that in two of the constituencies, they polled above the peak levels of last 18 years, and in another, they are withing a smidgen of peak. Even in the fourth seat, they more than doubled their total number of votes from the lows. If someone were to offer good odds on Scottish LD MPs outnumbering English ones, it would be a very interesting bet.
If this is an islamist attack, I'm afraid we need to implement what SeanT has been advocating. Ban cousin marriages, ban the face veil, prosecute FGM, ban forein funding for Mosques, close down salafi/whabbist mosques etc etc. We need to push the extremists out. We do the above and they will go.
WAIT until we find out the facts!!!!!
OK I hope I'm wrong. but still, we have a problem.
If this is an islamist attack, I'm afraid we need to implement what SeanT has been advocating. Ban cousin marriages, ban the face veil, prosecute FGM, ban foreign funding for Mosques, close down salafi/whabbist mosques etc etc. We need to push the extremists out. We do the above and they will go.
I have been very reluctant to say this, but we clearly have a much bigger problem on our hands then we ever thought we would.
How exactly are any of those going to stop maniacs with nail bombs?
Not at once, but over time it will reduce the problem of a section of the muslim society that is unwilling to intergrate. We will have fewer hate prechers which in turn reduces the number of incidents like these. They are not just "nutters", they know what they are doing based on a sick and peverted ideology, we need to stop the recruitment of that preverted ideology as much as we can. What we are doing now is not enough.
Its a paradox: giving people freedom of speech and belief means that their activities are out in the open, you can monitor them, which is what the security services do. I think with something like this, you need to find out what happened and look at the causes. If dysfunctional individuals self radicalising themselves via the internet etc, then none of your solutions would work. I detest terrorism as much as anyone else, I have no religion and particularly hate religious zealots, but lumping all Muslims together is very bad news.
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Slightly nervous I must say.
Just seen dashboard cam film of the explosion - it does not seem to be a minor pop but a fairly hefty bang
- a little levity to break the tension.
Unfortunately, the ideology of multiculturalism means we all must now live in fear.
My friend was on the Underground the other day and saw a guy watching Jihadi execution and recruitment videos via WhatsApp on his phone, brazenly, during commuter time. He naturally reported what he saw to the police.
These people are everywhere.
Eccentrica Gallumbits - the best bang since the Big One.
I think with something like this, you need to find out what happened and look at the causes. If dysfunctional individuals self radicalising themselves via the internet etc, then none of your solutions would work.
I detest terrorism as much as anyone else, I have no religion and particularly hate religious zealots, but lumping all Muslims together is very bad news.