So did "Strong and Stable" pull the trigger because of a Teenage twitterstorm?
Seems like it.
She is frit.
Why would dismissing a candidate who allegedly had made homosexual comments be frit
I imagine there are quite a few Conservative MP's who would have no desire whatsoever to attend Gay Pride marches.
I suspect that holds true for quite a substantial proportion of the population of the UK, but not quite as large a proportion of the population of Saudi Arabia.
A far larger proportion of Saudi Arabian men would think nothing of walking around holding hands with a male friend.
I was in Albania for May Day in 1986, and I saw two armed policemen walking down the road holding hands. Quite surreal.
So did "Strong and Stable" pull the trigger because of a Teenage twitterstorm?
Seems like it.
She is frit.
Why would dismissing a candidate who allegedly had made homosexual comments be frit
I imagine there are quite a few Conservative MP's who would have no desire whatsoever to attend Gay Pride marches.
So say that, don't follow it up with calling homosexuals a "danger to society" or "wrong".
There's a million and one ways of making excuses not to attend a march. Anyone in this day and age stupid enough to think calling innocent voters a "danger to society" during an election campaign is a good idea deserves to be dropped PDQ.
Didn't you object to Clinton calling voters "deplorables"? Why is that wrong but calling people a "danger to society" perfectly OK?
I thought Clinton's comments were foolish, because they undermined her chances of being elected. I don't think there was any moral issue about them.
And this idiots comments were foolish, because they undermined the chances of multiple people from his party being elected.
The party has dealt with his idiocy sensibly. If it wasn't too late and if the Democrats had dealt with their candidates thinking it was OK to insult voters then maybe we wouldn't have President Trump right now. I'm not prepared to risk even one extra seat going to Corbyn's party because some numpty thinks calling innocent voters a "danger to society" is a good idea in 2017.
"Bassetlaw’s MP has been hailed a “hero” after breaking up a bloody street brawl between two scrapping women in Worksop town centre. John Mann was walking along Queen Street yesterday (Wednesday, April 26) when he saw the two women fighting while a large crowd watched on. The Labour MP said someone in the crowd shouted, “That’s John Mann” as he stepped in between the women and “separated boot from head.”"
Certainly a lot more respect for him than Jon Snow who not only ran away from such incident, he also didn't even ring to the police...while a lady was having her head repeatedly rammed into the bonnet of a car.
So did "Strong and Stable" pull the trigger because of a Teenage twitterstorm?
Seems like it.
She is frit.
Why would dismissing a candidate who allegedly had made homosexual comments be frit
Apparently everything she does is frit. She stands up, she's frit. She calls an election, she's frit... etc.
Avoiding any exposure to real non tame voters certainly fits the description.
Very Jeremy Corbyn
You're just bullshitting now G. You can accuse Corbyn of many things and Jesus, I'd be first to agree there is no end to some aspects of his idiocy but he's certainly NOT worried about talking to the public.
May, however is clearly desperate to fight the election from inside a hermetically sealed bubble. Bad for democracy.
Are you for real - he is in tightly controlled meetings, only calls on labour supporters doors, and keeps away from his MP's constituencies
I think Mr Monksfield is correct, though. Mr Corbyn does seem happy to talk to members of the public. It's his party 'handlers' who are afraid of what he might say to them, or of what might happen.
"Bassetlaw’s MP has been hailed a “hero” after breaking up a bloody street brawl between two scrapping women in Worksop town centre. John Mann was walking along Queen Street yesterday (Wednesday, April 26) when he saw the two women fighting while a large crowd watched on. The Labour MP said someone in the crowd shouted, “That’s John Mann” as he stepped in between the women and “separated boot from head.”"
Certainly a lot more respect for him than Jon Snow who not only ran away from such incident, he also didn't even ring to the police...while a lady was having her head repeatedly rammed into the bonnet of a car.
John Snow did that ???
Yes. It came out out when if I remember correctly BoJo was riding his bike and he broke up some fight (probably confused them with a load of Latin).
Not Jon Snow out of the old Tits and Dragons I might add...
It strikes me that the Lib Dems are somehow being particularly casual about this election. They seem to think that they are going to do well regardless, as if it was some sort of immutable law of the universe. Something in my bones tells me they are going to get clobbered in June.
It's 2022 I'm looking forward to now. If the Tories haven't split by then.
I agree, the Lib Dems will get hammered in this election in England. I wonder if Nick Clegg is at risk - an under the radar operation by the Tories. On the other side of the coin in Scotland they might take seats back but it depends on whether the unionist vote can be intelligent.
In 7 days time you will have to explain how the Lib Dems will get hammered in the GE despite doing so well in the local elections in England .
I would have voted for my great lib dem council team but for the absolutely sickening behaviour of your party over Europe.
I am certain that Theresa May will continue, at every moment, to ask for the vote for her, looking down the camera lens, pointing out that any other vote may end up with Prime Minister Corbyn. The visual effect of Prime Minister Corbyn will see huge numbers of votes for her.
Nobody in their right mind sees a prospect of PM Corbyn. The prospect of a one party state is much more scarily real.
Well then, one of the opposition parties should actually offer a program that people would vote for.
I will risk a large conservative majority, literally ANYTHING other than Corbyn.
Just for a moment imagine Labour, the Greens and the SNP in charge.
The stuff of nightmares - The Lib Dems might be able to introduce some sanity - but I'm not prepared to bet on it.
My elderly mother is a remain voter who typically votes Conservative in General Elections. She now lives in St Albans. If she thinks there is a chance Corbyn could be PM, she will vote Tory to be safe. If it is apparent Corbyn can't win, she'll vote LibDem to oppose Anne Main. Seems a lot her friends take a similar line.
So did "Strong and Stable" pull the trigger because of a Teenage twitterstorm?
Seems like it.
She is frit.
Why would dismissing a candidate who allegedly had made homosexual comments be frit
Frit of Twitter. Just as she dropped Hammond in a trice after the NI in the budget.
A jellyfish has more spine.
Or a PM acting like a PM who didn't want it hanging over a snap election.....
I think that we progressives have few more battles to fight when a Tory PM ditches a candidate within hours of a comment that he doesn't like homosexuals.
Our values rule, socially conservatives suck it up.
Agreed you can pack up your bags and go home, no more need to be involve with politics anymore congratulations
Nah. I am out canvassing tommorow, we've won that one, now onto other targets.
Though a snap election does cause this sort of problem as unsuitable candidates like this, or David Ward get rushed through without proper vetting.
To be fair on Turner, he is just a bit behind the rest of his party. Theresa May did vote against repeal of section 28, so he is only about 20 years off supporting gay marriage. The solent crossing has long included an element of time travel.
Good to see various embarrassments in all parties being dealt with properly.
Apart from the 'big' ones in a certain opposition party of course... we need more Diane and John on telly in this campain. Where's Mr. Burgon too. Still looking for the City after his previous role?
It strikes me that the Lib Dems are somehow being particularly casual about this election. They seem to think that they are going to do well regardless, as if it was some sort of immutable law of the universe. Something in my bones tells me they are going to get clobbered in June.
It's 2022 I'm looking forward to now. If the Tories haven't split by then.
I agree, the Lib Dems will get hammered in this election in England. I wonder if Nick Clegg is at risk - an under the radar operation by the Tories. On the other side of the coin in Scotland they might take seats back but it depends on whether the unionist vote can be intelligent.
In 7 days time you will have to explain how the Lib Dems will get hammered in the GE despite doing so well in the local elections in England .
I would have voted for my great lib dem council team but for the absolutely sickening behaviour of your party over Europe.
Maybe I will be the only one....
What's sickening about standing up for your core beliefs? Don't you believe in maintaining positions? Should the Tories have all become socialists in 1997 because Labour won the election?
So did "Strong and Stable" pull the trigger because of a Teenage twitterstorm?
Seems like it.
She is frit.
Why would dismissing a candidate who allegedly had made homosexual comments be frit
Apparently everything she does is frit. She stands up, she's frit. She calls an election, she's frit... etc.
Avoiding any exposure to real non tame voters certainly fits the description.
Very Jeremy Corbyn
You're just bullshitting now G. You can accuse Corbyn of many things and Jesus, I'd be first to agree there is no end to some aspects of his idiocy but he's certainly NOT worried about talking to the public.
May, however is clearly desperate to fight the election from inside a hermetically sealed bubble. Bad for democracy.
Are you for real - he is in tightly controlled meetings, only calls on labour supporters doors, and keeps away from his MP's constituencies
I think Mr Monksfield is correct, though. Mr Corbyn does seem happy to talk to members of the public. It's his party 'handlers' who are afraid of what he might say to them, or of what might happen.
The simple message for this election.
About 10 minutes ago on June 8th the exit poll is announced that we have Prime Minister Corbyn.
Just think about that and it is why Theresa May will be repeating vote for her down the camera lens for the next six weeks - the only message needed
I am certain that Theresa May will continue, at every moment, to ask for the vote for her, looking down the camera lens, pointing out that any other vote may end up with Prime Minister Corbyn. The visual effect of Prime Minister Corbyn will see huge numbers of votes for her.
Nobody in their right mind sees a prospect of PM Corbyn. The prospect of a one party state is much more scarily real.
Well then, one of the opposition parties should actually offer a program that people would vote for.
I will risk a large conservative majority, literally ANYTHING other than Corbyn.
Just for a moment imagine Labour, the Greens and the SNP in charge.
The stuff of nightmares - The Lib Dems might be able to introduce some sanity - but I'm not prepared to bet on it.
My elderly mother is a remain voter who typically votes Conservative in General Elections. She now lives in St Albans. If she thinks there is a chance Corbyn could be PM, she will vote Tory to be safe. If it is apparent Corbyn can't win, she'll vote LibDem to oppose Anne Main. Seems a lot her friends take a similar line.
Anecdotally, from family, it seems that there are a lot of people in St Albans who don't warm to Anne Main. Any other Conservative MP would have a five figure majority, but they really have to work hard to get her re-elected. Odd.
So did "Strong and Stable" pull the trigger because of a Teenage twitterstorm?
Seems like it.
She is frit.
Why would dismissing a candidate who allegedly had made homosexual comments be frit
Apparently everything she does is frit. She stands up, she's frit. She calls an election, she's frit... etc.
Avoiding any exposure to real non tame voters certainly fits the description.
Very Jeremy Corbyn
You're just bullshitting now G. You can accuse Corbyn of many things and Jesus, I'd be first to agree there is no end to some aspects of his idiocy but he's certainly NOT worried about talking to the public.
May, however is clearly desperate to fight the election from inside a hermetically sealed bubble. Bad for democracy.
Are you for real - he is in tightly controlled meetings, only calls on labour supporters doors, and keeps away from his MP's constituencies
I think Mr Monksfield is correct, though. Mr Corbyn does seem happy to talk to members of the public. It's his party 'handlers' who are afraid of what he might say to them, or of what might happen.
Might be true, but it is always easy to advance that "he'd love to, but..." argument. Frinstance the complaint yesterday was that TMay wouldn't go walkabout in Leeds, but Leeds is/was home to two of the 7/7 bombers, and the guy who killed Jo Cox, and you can't see her police protection being overly keen on the idea. I know John Major did his soapbox thing but that was in a more innocent age.
It strikes me that the Lib Dems are somehow being particularly casual about this election. They seem to think that they are going to do well regardless, as if it was some sort of immutable law of the universe. Something in my bones tells me they are going to get clobbered in June.
It's 2022 I'm looking forward to now. If the Tories haven't split by then.
I agree, the Lib Dems will get hammered in this election in England. I wonder if Nick Clegg is at risk - an under the radar operation by the Tories. On the other side of the coin in Scotland they might take seats back but it depends on whether the unionist vote can be intelligent.
In 7 days time you will have to explain how the Lib Dems will get hammered in the GE despite doing so well in the local elections in England .
I would have voted for my great lib dem council team but for the absolutely sickening behaviour of your party over Europe.
Maybe I will be the only one....
What's sickening about standing up for your core beliefs? Don't you believe in maintaining positions? Should the Tories have all become socialists in 1997 because Labour won the election?
Although its nothing recent how about:
1: Being elected on a manifesto in 2005 calling for a referendum on the proposed EU Constitution. 2: Voting to waive through Parliament the rebranded Lisbon Treaty without a referendum as a "more meaningful in or out referendum" should be held instead. 3: Opposing the in or out referendum that was the parties own policy once Cameron proposed it.
So did "Strong and Stable" pull the trigger because of a Teenage twitterstorm?
Seems like it.
She is frit.
Why would dismissing a candidate who allegedly had made homosexual comments be frit
I imagine there are quite a few Conservative MP's who would have no desire whatsoever to attend Gay Pride marches.
So say that, don't follow it up with calling homosexuals a "danger to society" or "wrong".
There's a million and one ways of making excuses not to attend a march. Anyone in this day and age stupid enough to think calling innocent voters a "danger to society" during an election campaign is a good idea deserves to be dropped PDQ.
Didn't you object to Clinton calling voters "deplorables"? Why is that wrong but calling people a "danger to society" perfectly OK?
I thought Clinton's comments were foolish, because they undermined her chances of being elected. I don't think there was any moral issue about them.
And this idiots comments were foolish, because they undermined the chances of multiple people from his party being elected.
The party has dealt with his idiocy sensibly. If it wasn't too late and if the Democrats had dealt with their candidates thinking it was OK to insult voters then maybe we wouldn't have President Trump right now. I'm not prepared to risk even one extra seat going to Corbyn's party because some numpty thinks calling innocent voters a "danger to society" is a good idea in 2017.
I'm not really persuaded that people will give Corbyn a second chance because a special snowflake on the Isle of Wight was upset by Andrew Turner.
I'm just at the end of a meal in a Michelin starred restaurant in France. And it's been terrific.
Reports of the death of French cuisine (from SeanT) have been exaggerated.
It is important to remember that Sean T is a professional writer of fiction. I have long suspected that his postings on PB.com about his exotic lifestyle are a similar work of fiction, and that in reality he lives in a bedsit in Neasden, existing on a diet of pot noodle and Subways.
You have a way of verifying that.
I am in (allegedly) a posh hotel in the Loire Valley, the Cheteau de Norieux. Very nice Michelin star restaurant - with a splendid Italian chef who said his favourite city in the world is London. Good man.
Anyway after this dinner, where I discussed everything from Brexit to sex with my French acquaintance, I walked out, through the lounge, and saw a distinctive looking Englishman sitting on the sofa with a quite MILFy woman. I thought - I recognise him.
So being a bit drunk I walked up and said hello and said Aren't you a politician. And he rose - quite an imposing man - gave me the hardest handshake in history, and said Yes I'm Stephen Dorrell I was a minister in John Major's government. I smiled warmly and said I was a journo from the Times, he said he'd been discussing Brexit like us, and then.... I left it at that. I was SO tempted to have a massive row with THE arch-Remoaner.
But I resisted. Admire my restraint. It would have been deliciously entertaining,
Of course I could be lying and I've invented all this from a bungalow in Solihull. Hmmm.
Are you like Kirk St Moritz from Dear John?
I'm quite surprised to know Stephen Dorrel has a firm handshake. I would have imagined it to be limp and clammy.
Interesting snippet on the news about the individual in custody following his arrest in Westminster a few days ago. According to the news, he was involved in a controversial aid trip to Palestine a few years ago. If that's the Viva Palestine convoy, there are some interesting links to Parliamentarians. Let's see how this one develops.
Interesting snippet on the news about the individual in custody following his arrest in Westminster a few days ago. According to the news, he was involved in a controversial aid trip to Palestine a few years ago. If that's the Viva Palestine convoy, there are some interesting links to Parliamentarians. Let's see how this one develops.
So did "Strong and Stable" pull the trigger because of a Teenage twitterstorm?
Seems like it.
She is frit.
Why would dismissing a candidate who allegedly had made homosexual comments be frit
Apparently everything she does is frit. She stands up, she's frit. She calls an election, she's frit... etc.
Avoiding any exposure to real non tame voters certainly fits the description.
Very Jeremy Corbyn
You're just bullshitting now G. You can accuse Corbyn of many things and Jesus, I'd be first to agree there is no end to some aspects of his idiocy but he's certainly NOT worried about talking to the public.
May, however is clearly desperate to fight the election from inside a hermetically sealed bubble. Bad for democracy.
Are you for real - he is in tightly controlled meetings, only calls on labour supporters doors, and keeps away from his MP's constituencies
I think Mr Monksfield is correct, though. Mr Corbyn does seem happy to talk to members of the public. It's his party 'handlers' who are afraid of what he might say to them, or of what might happen.
The simple message for this election.
About 10 minutes ago on June 8th the exit poll is announced that we have Prime Minister Corbyn.
Just think about that and it is why Theresa May will be repeating vote for her down the camera lens for the next six weeks - the only message needed
May or Corbyn - what a terrible choice!
British Politics is really at an all time low with these intellectual lightweights in charge!
Interesting snippet on the news about the individual in custody following his arrest in Westminster a few days ago. According to the news, he was involved in a controversial aid trip to Palestine a few years ago. If that's the Viva Palestine convoy, there are some interesting links to Parliamentarians. Let's see how this one develops.
I believe he was known to the intelligence people. Probably because of this very visit?
So did "Strong and Stable" pull the trigger because of a Teenage twitterstorm?
Seems like it.
She is frit.
Why would dismissing a candidate who allegedly had made homosexual comments be frit
Apparently everything she does is frit. She stands up, she's frit. She calls an election, she's frit... etc.
Avoiding any exposure to real non tame voters certainly fits the description.
Very Jeremy Corbyn
You're just bullshitting now G. You can accuse Corbyn of many things and Jesus, I'd be first to agree there is no end to some aspects of his idiocy but he's certainly NOT worried about talking to the public.
May, however is clearly desperate to fight the election from inside a hermetically sealed bubble. Bad for democracy.
Are you for real - he is in tightly controlled meetings, only calls on labour supporters doors, and keeps away from his MP's constituencies
I think Mr Monksfield is correct, though. Mr Corbyn does seem happy to talk to members of the public. It's his party 'handlers' who are afraid of what he might say to them, or of what might happen.
Might be true, but it is always easy to advance that "he'd love to, but..." argument. Frinstance the complaint yesterday was that TMay wouldn't go walkabout in Leeds, but Leeds is/was home to two of the 7/7 bombers, and the guy who killed Jo Cox, and you can't see her police protection being overly keen on the idea. I know John Major did his soapbox thing but that was in a more innocent age.
Hardl; the IRA were still bombing the mainland and I think there were hits in 1993 and 1996 plus an attack on No. 10 itself.
I rather doubt that 'the Coalition of Chaos scare' will have the same potency as 2015 simply because it is a risk which May has created by calling the election. Very different from Cameron in 2015 who had no choice but to go to the polls.
Interesting snippet on the news about the individual in custody following his arrest in Westminster a few days ago. According to the news, he was involved in a controversial aid trip to Palestine a few years ago. If that's the Viva Palestine convoy, there are some interesting links to Parliamentarians. Let's see how this one develops.
I believe he was known to the intelligence people. Probably because of this very visit?
Very likely.
But look at who was supporting and praising that convoy and where the money went. If - and it is still an "if" - an individual connected with it is charged with terrorism offences during a GE campaign..... well, you can see where this might be going.
I rather doubt that 'the Coalition of Chaos scare' will have the same potency as 2015 simply because it is a risk which May has created by calling the election. Very different from Cameron in 2015 who had no choice but to go to the polls.
Plus it is not a plausible threat. No one expects the Tories to have net seat losses.
So did "Strong and Stable" pull the trigger because of a Teenage twitterstorm?
Seems like it.
She is frit.
So, about the Lib Dems and David Ward.....
What's your take on that one
Quite right to ditch him.
But a leader who claims to be "strong and stable" bends like a reed in the wind.
You don't know if May had anything to do with the ditching, do you? more likely to be the constituency party and not on her radar, I would have thought. But anyway if it was the right thing to do (and if she did it), how does "bending like a reed" come into it?
I cannot believe that we are having these conversations in 2017, with a party with "Liberal" in its name. What next, LD health spokesman says homosexuality is medically curable?
I'm just at the end of a meal in a Michelin starred restaurant in France. And it's been terrific.
Reports of the death of French cuisine (from SeanT) have been exaggerated.
It is important to remember that Sean T is a professional writer of fiction. I have long suspected that his postings on PB.com about his exotic lifestyle are a similar work of fiction, and that in reality he lives in a bedsit in Neasden, existing on a diet of pot noodle and Subways.
You have a way of verifying that.
I am in (allegedly) a posh hotel in the Loire Valley, the Cheteau de Norieux. Very nice Michelin star restaurant - with a splendid Italian chef who said his favourite city in the world is London. Good man.
Anyway after this dinner, where I discussed everything from Brexit to sex with my French acquaintance, I walked out, through the lounge, and saw a distinctive looking Englishman sitting on the sofa with a quite MILFy woman. I thought - I recognise him.
So being a bit drunk I walked up and said hello and said Aren't you a politician. And he rose - quite an imposing man - gave me the hardest handshake in history, and said Yes I'm Stephen Dorrell I was a minister in John Major's government. I smiled warmly and said I was a journo from the Times, he said he'd been discussing Brexit like us, and then.... I left it at that. I was SO tempted to have a massive row with THE arch-Remoaner.
But I resisted. Admire my restraint. It would have been deliciously entertaining,
Of course I could be lying and I've invented all this from a bungalow in Solihull. Hmmm.
Dorrell has even advocated tactical voting against hard Brexit backing Tories
So did "Strong and Stable" pull the trigger because of a Teenage twitterstorm?
Seems like it.
She is frit.
Why would dismissing a candidate who allegedly had made homosexual comments be frit
Apparently everything she does is frit. She stands up, she's frit. She calls an election, she's frit... etc.
Avoiding any exposure to real non tame voters certainly fits the description.
Very Jeremy Corbyn
You're just bullshitting now G. You can accuse Corbyn of many things and Jesus, I'd be first to agree there is no end to some aspects of his idiocy but he's certainly NOT worried about talking to the public.
May, however is clearly desperate to fight the election from inside a hermetically sealed bubble. Bad for democracy.
Are you for real - he is in tightly controlled meetings, only calls on labour supporters doors, and keeps away from his MP's constituencies
I think Mr Monksfield is correct, though. Mr Corbyn does seem happy to talk to members of the public. It's his party 'handlers' who are afraid of what he might say to them, or of what might happen.
Might be true, but it is always easy to advance that "he'd love to, but..." argument. Frinstance the complaint yesterday was that TMay wouldn't go walkabout in Leeds, but Leeds is/was home to two of the 7/7 bombers, and the guy who killed Jo Cox, and you can't see her police protection being overly keen on the idea. I know John Major did his soapbox thing but that was in a more innocent age.
Hardl; the IRA were still bombing the mainland and I think there were hits in 1993 and 1996 plus an attack on No. 10 itself.
Quite, politicians were less snowflakey in those days. I have to say it's ever clearer that John Major was a class act, May is not fit to shine his boots.
So did "Strong and Stable" pull the trigger because of a Teenage twitterstorm?
Seems like it.
She is frit.
So, about the Lib Dems and David Ward.....
What's your take on that one
Quite right to ditch him.
But a leader who claims to be "strong and stable" bends like a reed in the wind.
You don't know if May had anything to do with the ditching, do you? more likely to be the constituency party and not on her radar, I would have thought. But anyway if it was the right thing to do (and if she did it), how does "bending like a reed" come into it?
I cannot believe that we are having these conversations in 2017, with a party with "Liberal" in its name. What next, LD health spokesman says homosexuality is medically curable?
I rather doubt that 'the Coalition of Chaos scare' will have the same potency as 2015 simply because it is a risk which May has created by calling the election. Very different from Cameron in 2015 who had no choice but to go to the polls.
Plus it is not a plausible threat. No one expects the Tories to have net seat losses.
So did "Strong and Stable" pull the trigger because of a Teenage twitterstorm?
Seems like it.
She is frit.
Why would dismissing a candidate who allegedly had made homosexual comments be frit
I imagine there are quite a few Conservative MP's who would have no desire whatsoever to attend Gay Pride marches.
So say that, don't follow it up with calling homosexuals a "danger to society" or "wrong".
There's a million and one ways of making excuses not to attend a march. Anyone in this day and age stupid enough to think calling innocent voters a "danger to society" during an election campaign is a good idea deserves to be dropped PDQ.
Didn't you object to Clinton calling voters "deplorables"? Why is that wrong but calling people a "danger to society" perfectly OK?
I thought Clinton's comments were foolish, because they undermined her chances of being elected. I don't think there was any moral issue about them.
And this idiots comments were foolish, because they undermined the chances of multiple people from his party being elected.
The party has dealt with his idiocy sensibly. If it wasn't too late and if the Democrats had dealt with their candidates thinking it was OK to insult voters then maybe we wouldn't have President Trump right now. I'm not prepared to risk even one extra seat going to Corbyn's party because some numpty thinks calling innocent voters a "danger to society" is a good idea in 2017.
I'm not really persuaded that people will give Corbyn a second chance because a special snowflake on the Isle of Wight was upset by Andrew Turner.
It's taking the voters for granted that is so toxic and can cause long term harm to a party that allows the likes if Corbyn to take over. Why risk it?
I rather doubt that 'the Coalition of Chaos scare' will have the same potency as 2015 simply because it is a risk which May has created by calling the election. Very different from Cameron in 2015 who had no choice but to go to the polls.
If anything it will have more, May's Tories are set to gain seats from the SNP which was not the case in 2015 as well as gaining even more from Labour although the LDs will regain a few of their losses as they are no longer perceived as the poodle of the Cameron's Tory Party
So did "Strong and Stable" pull the trigger because of a Teenage twitterstorm?
Seems like it.
She is frit.
So, about the Lib Dems and David Ward.....
What's your take on that one
Quite right to ditch him.
But a leader who claims to be "strong and stable" bends like a reed in the wind.
You don't know if May had anything to do with the ditching, do you? more likely to be the constituency party and not on her radar, I would have thought. But anyway if it was the right thing to do (and if she did it), how does "bending like a reed" come into it?
I cannot believe that we are having these conversations in 2017, with a party with "Liberal" in its name. What next, LD health spokesman says homosexuality is medically curable?
Maybe Andrew Turner will send Tim Farron a watch inscribed with a quote "Don't let the buggers get you down"?
So did "Strong and Stable" pull the trigger because of a Teenage twitterstorm?
Seems like it.
She is frit.
So, about the Lib Dems and David Ward.....
What's your take on that one
Quite right to ditch him.
But a leader who claims to be "strong and stable" bends like a reed in the wind.
You don't know if May had anything to do with the ditching, do you? more likely to be the constituency party and not on her radar, I would have thought. But anyway if it was the right thing to do (and if she did it), how does "bending like a reed" come into it?
I cannot believe that we are having these conversations in 2017, with a party with "Liberal" in its name. What next, LD health spokesman says homosexuality is medically curable?
Didn't Farron once say it was?
Oh God. He probably did. I thought I was being satirical, so there's another fail.
So did "Strong and Stable" pull the trigger because of a Teenage twitterstorm?
Seems like it.
She is frit.
So, about the Lib Dems and David Ward.....
What's your take on that one
Quite right to ditch him.
But a leader who claims to be "strong and stable" bends like a reed in the wind.
You don't know if May had anything to do with the ditching, do you? more likely to be the constituency party and not on her radar, I would have thought. But anyway if it was the right thing to do (and if she did it), how does "bending like a reed" come into it?
I cannot believe that we are having these conversations in 2017, with a party with "Liberal" in its name. What next, LD health spokesman says homosexuality is medically curable?
This site is becoming a parody, if Farage/Nuttall had obfuscated about gays in the way Farron has every thread header would be hysterical.
I tried to stick some figures into Sunderland South and Houghton (Current Lab Majority 13000 - 69th safest seat) - purely as this is probably the first to declare.
(This assumes that half the 'Labour don't know if we'll stay to the party' actually do so and that the no longer Labour vote splits 70% Lib Dem - 25% Tory and the no longer UKIP vote 70% Tory, 30% Labour - I assumed ex Tories are mainly going to the Lib Dems (the europhile section)
I would suspect that the ex-Labour-voter in a heavily WWC areas will be MUCH higher than 36%, if only because it will be much lower in heavily multicultural areas.
So did "Strong and Stable" pull the trigger because of a Teenage twitterstorm?
Seems like it.
She is frit.
Why would dismissing a candidate who allegedly had made homosexual comments be frit
Apparently everything she does is frit. She stands up, she's frit. She calls an election, she's frit... etc.
Avoiding any exposure to real non tame voters certainly fits the description.
Very Jeremy Corbyn
You're just bullshitting now G. You can accuse Corbyn of many things and Jesus, I'd be first to agree there is no end to some aspects of his idiocy but he's certainly NOT worried about talking to the public.
May, however is clearly desperate to fight the election from inside a hermetically sealed bubble. Bad for democracy.
Are you for real - he is in tightly controlled meetings, only calls on labour supporters doors, and keeps away from his MP's constituencies
I think Mr Monksfield is correct, though. Mr Corbyn does seem happy to talk to members of the public. It's his party 'handlers' who are afraid of what he might say to them, or of what might happen.
The simple message for this election.
About 10 minutes ago on June 8th the exit poll is announced that we have Prime Minister Corbyn.
Just think about that and it is why Theresa May will be repeating vote for her down the camera lens for the next six weeks - the only message needed
May or Corbyn - what a terrible choice!
British Politics is really at an all time low with these intellectual lightweights in charge!
May v Corbyn is an easy choice.
It's leftish Tory vs Marxist lunatic. Of course you'd go for the leftish Tory.
So did "Strong and Stable" pull the trigger because of a Teenage twitterstorm?
Seems like it.
She is frit.
So, about the Lib Dems and David Ward.....
What's your take on that one
Quite right to ditch him.
But a leader who claims to be "strong and stable" bends like a reed in the wind.
You don't know if May had anything to do with the ditching, do you? more likely to be the constituency party and not on her radar, I would have thought. But anyway if it was the right thing to do (and if she did it), how does "bending like a reed" come into it?
I cannot believe that we are having these conversations in 2017, with a party with "Liberal" in its name. What next, LD health spokesman says homosexuality is medically curable?
Tories running from social conservatism does amuse me. Not a couple of years ago we were constantly told how social conservatives were being marginalised, and the Cameroons too achingly metropolitan liberal. I suppose that Theresa "nasty party" May must have been more Cameroon than she now seems.
So far we have had in this election,: Cons ditch Turner for being anti gay, Libs ditch Ward for anti-semitism and UKIP lose a regional director because of Islamophobia.
Is this the most politically correct election in British history?
So did "Strong and Stable" pull the trigger because of a Teenage twitterstorm?
Seems like it.
She is frit.
So, about the Lib Dems and David Ward.....
What's your take on that one
Quite right to ditch him.
But a leader who claims to be "strong and stable" bends like a reed in the wind.
You don't know if May had anything to do with the ditching, do you? more likely to be the constituency party and not on her radar, I would have thought. But anyway if it was the right thing to do (and if she did it), how does "bending like a reed" come into it?
I cannot believe that we are having these conversations in 2017, with a party with "Liberal" in its name. What next, LD health spokesman says homosexuality is medically curable?
Didn't Farron once say it was?
Oh God. He probably did. I thought I was being satirical, so there's another fail.
Interesting snippet on the news about the individual in custody following his arrest in Westminster a few days ago. According to the news, he was involved in a controversial aid trip to Palestine a few years ago. If that's the Viva Palestine convoy, there are some interesting links to Parliamentarians. Let's see how this one develops.
I believe he was known to the intelligence people. Probably because of this very visit?
Very likely.
But look at who was supporting and praising that convoy and where the money went. If - and it is still an "if" - an individual connected with it is charged with terrorism offences during a GE campaign..... well, you can see where this might be going.
Which reminds me ... how's George Galloway getting on, has anyone heard? Is he still going for Gorton, or doesn't it attract sufficient publicity nowadays?
I tried to stick some figures into Sunderland South and Houghton (Current Lab Majority 13000 - 69th safest seat) - purely as this is probably the first to declare.
(This assumes that half the 'Labour don't know if we'll stay to the party' actually do so and that the no longer Labour vote splits 70% Lib Dem - 25% Tory and the no longer UKIP vote 70% Tory, 30% Labour - I assumed ex Tories are mainly going to the Lib Dems (the europhile section)
I would suspect that the ex-Labour-voter in a heavily WWC areas will be MUCH higher than 36%, if only because it will be much lower in heavily multicultural areas.
Any thoughts?
Why do you think the LibDems are going to get that many votes when they never have previously ?
Quite, politicians were less snowflakey in those days. I have to say it's ever clearer that John Major was a class act, May is not fit to shine his boots.
The size of the active IRA was relatively small and mostly contained in Northern Ireland, and there weren't any IRA suicide bombers to worry about. There are literally thousands of Islamist nutters to keep tabs on, we arrest about 300 a year for terrorist offences, we've had an attack a few weeks ago, and two foiled in the last couple of days. Many, many major attacks have been foiled over the last few years. British intelligence tipped off the French authorities about a planned attack on their election candidates only last week.
You might not think the threat is all that great but I suspect that the people whose job it is to keep the PM and other prominent politicians safe would disagree.
So did "Strong and Stable" pull the trigger because of a Teenage twitterstorm?
Seems like it.
She is frit.
Why would dismissing a candidate who allegedly had made homosexual comments be frit
Apparently everything she does is frit. She stands up, she's frit. She calls an election, she's frit... etc.
Avoiding any exposure to real non tame voters certainly fits the description.
Very Jeremy Corbyn
You're just bullshitting now G. You can accuse Corbyn of many things and Jesus, I'd be first to agree there is no end to some aspects of his idiocy but he's certainly NOT worried about talking to the public.
May, however is clearly desperate to fight the election from inside a hermetically sealed bubble. Bad for democracy.
Are you for real - he is in tightly controlled meetings, only calls on labour supporters doors, and keeps away from his MP's constituencies
I think Mr Monksfield is correct, though. Mr Corbyn does seem happy to talk to members of the public. It's his party 'handlers' who are afraid of what he might say to them, or of what might happen.
The simple message for this election.
About 10 minutes ago on June 8th the exit poll is announced that we have Prime Minister Corbyn.
Just think about that and it is why Theresa May will be repeating vote for her down the camera lens for the next six weeks - the only message needed
May or Corbyn - what a terrible choice!
British Politics is really at an all time low with these intellectual lightweights in charge!
May v Corbyn is an easy choice.
It's leftish Tory vs Marxist lunatic. Of course you'd go for the leftish Tory.
Only someone from way out right could characterise May as in any way leftish.
So he was a bit off when giving an analogy which he says is "roughly" (and he would argue that those figures don't include those here illegally). It isn't like he said the size of Liverpool and Aberdeen and it was actually the size of Bognor Regis.
I tried to stick some figures into Sunderland South and Houghton (Current Lab Majority 13000 - 69th safest seat) - purely as this is probably the first to declare.
(This assumes that half the 'Labour don't know if we'll stay to the party' actually do so and that the no longer Labour vote splits 70% Lib Dem - 25% Tory and the no longer UKIP vote 70% Tory, 30% Labour - I assumed ex Tories are mainly going to the Lib Dems (the europhile section)
I would suspect that the ex-Labour-voter in a heavily WWC areas will be MUCH higher than 36%, if only because it will be much lower in heavily multicultural areas.
Any thoughts?
Lib Dems and UKIP much too high. There's a "flight to quality" in this election, which means that the possibility of people voting for anything they might actually believe in is not going to happen. Sorry. I wish it was different, and there's still a few weeks to go, but in all seriousness, why would anyone other than the candidate's mum vote for the Lib Dems in Sunderland?
So did "Strong and Stable" pull the trigger because of a Teenage twitterstorm?
Seems like it.
She is frit.
Why would dismissing a candidate who allegedly had made homosexual comments be frit
Apparently everything she does is frit. She stands up, she's frit. She calls an election, she's frit... etc.
Avoiding any exposure to real non tame voters certainly fits the description.
Very Jeremy Corbyn
You're just bullshitting now G. You can accuse Corbyn of many things and Jesus, I'd be first to agree there is no end to some aspects of his idiocy but he's certainly NOT worried about talking to the public.
May, however is clearly desperate to fight the election from inside a hermetically sealed bubble. Bad for democracy.
Are you for real - he is in tightly controlled meetings, only calls on labour supporters doors, and keeps away from his MP's constituencies
I think Mr Monksfield is correct, though. Mr Corbyn does seem happy to talk to members of the public. It's his party 'handlers' who are afraid of what he might say to them, or of what might happen.
The simple message for this election.
About 10 minutes ago on June 8th the exit poll is announced that we have Prime Minister Corbyn.
Just think about that and it is why Theresa May will be repeating vote for her down the camera lens for the next six weeks - the only message needed
May or Corbyn - what a terrible choice!
British Politics is really at an all time low with these intellectual lightweights in charge!
May v Corbyn is an easy choice.
It's leftish Tory vs Marxist lunatic. Of course you'd go for the leftish Tory.
Only someone from way out right could characterise May as in any way leftish.
I tried to stick some figures into Sunderland South and Houghton (Current Lab Majority 13000 - 69th safest seat) - purely as this is probably the first to declare.
(This assumes that half the 'Labour don't know if we'll stay to the party' actually do so and that the no longer Labour vote splits 70% Lib Dem - 25% Tory and the no longer UKIP vote 70% Tory, 30% Labour - I assumed ex Tories are mainly going to the Lib Dems (the europhile section)
I would suspect that the ex-Labour-voter in a heavily WWC areas will be MUCH higher than 36%, if only because it will be much lower in heavily multicultural areas.
Any thoughts?
Why do you think the LibDems are going to get that many votes when they never have previously ?
I tried to stick some figures into Sunderland South and Houghton (Current Lab Majority 13000 - 69th safest seat) - purely as this is probably the first to declare.
(This assumes that half the 'Labour don't know if we'll stay to the party' actually do so and that the no longer Labour vote splits 70% Lib Dem - 25% Tory and the no longer UKIP vote 70% Tory, 30% Labour - I assumed ex Tories are mainly going to the Lib Dems (the europhile section)
I would suspect that the ex-Labour-voter in a heavily WWC areas will be MUCH higher than 36%, if only because it will be much lower in heavily multicultural areas.
Any thoughts?
Lib Dems and UKIP much too high. There's a "flight to quality" in this election, which means that the possibility of people voting for anything they might actually believe in is not going to happen. Sorry. I wish it was different, and there's still a few weeks to go, but in all seriousness, why would anyone other than the candidate's mum vote for the Lib Dems in Sunderland?
Quite, politicians were less snowflakey in those days. I have to say it's ever clearer that John Major was a class act, May is not fit to shine his boots.
The size of the active IRA was relatively small and mostly contained in Northern Ireland, and there weren't any IRA suicide bombers to worry about. There are literally thousands of Islamist nutters to keep tabs on, we arrest about 300 a year for terrorist offences, we've had an attack a few weeks ago, and two foiled in the last couple of days. Many, many major attacks have been foiled over the last few years. British intelligence tipped off the French authorities about a planned attack on their election candidates only last week.
You might not think the threat is all that great but I suspect that the people whose job it is to keep the PM and other prominent politicians safe would disagree.
Yeah, but that explanation does not convince.
Staged factory visits in front of bussed in party workers, with the real workers told not to speak to the press are not being done because of a terrorist risk. These are events designed purely for a soundbite on the telly.
I'm just at the end of a meal in a Michelin starred restaurant in France. And it's been terrific.
Reports of the death of French cuisine (from SeanT) have been exaggerated.
It is important to remember that Sean T is a professional writer of fiction. I have long suspected that his postings on PB.com about his exotic lifestyle are a similar work of fiction, and that in reality he lives in a bedsit in Neasden, existing on a diet of pot noodle and Subways.
You have a way of verifying that.
I am in (allegedly) a posh hotel in the Loire Valley, the Cheteau de Norieux. Very nice Michelin star restaurant - with a splendid Italian chef who said his favourite city in the world is London. Good man.
Anyway after this dinner, where I discussed everything from Brexit to sex with my French acquaintance, I walked out, through the lounge, and saw a distinctive looking Englishman sitting on the sofa with a quite MILFy woman. I thought - I recognise him.
So being a bit drunk I walked up and said hello and said Aren't you a politician. And he rose - quite an imposing man - gave me the hardest handshake in history, and said Yes I'm Stephen Dorrell I was a minister in John Major's government. I smiled warmly and said I was a journo from the Times, he said he'd been discussing Brexit like us, and then.... I left it at that. I was SO tempted to have a massive row with THE arch-Remoaner.
But I resisted. Admire my restraint. It would have been deliciously entertaining,
Of course I could be lying and I've invented all this from a bungalow in Solihull. Hmmm.
Are you like Kirk St Moritz from Dear John?
I'm quite surprised to know Stephen Dorrel has a firm handshake. I would have imagined it to be limp and clammy.
I thought he was the bloke who died wearing sussies w an orange in his mouth!
I'm just at the end of a meal in a Michelin starred restaurant in France. And it's been terrific.
Reports of the death of French cuisine (from SeanT) have been exaggerated.
It is important to remember that Sean T is a professional writer of fiction. I have long suspected that his postings on PB.com about his exotic lifestyle are a similar work of fiction, and that in reality he lives in a bedsit in Neasden, existing on a diet of pot noodle and Subways.
You have a way of verifying that.
I am in (allegedly) a posh hotel in the Loire Valley, the Cheteau de Norieux. Very nice Michelin star restaurant - with a splendid Italian chef who said his favourite city in the world is London. Good man.
Anyway after this dinner, where I discussed everything from Brexit to sex with my French acquaintance, I walked out, through the lounge, and saw a distinctive looking Englishman sitting on the sofa with a quite MILFy woman. I thought - I recognise him.
So being a bit drunk I walked up and said hello and said Aren't you a politician. And he rose - quite an imposing man - gave me the hardest handshake in history, and said Yes I'm Stephen Dorrell I was a minister in John Major's government. I smiled warmly and said I was a journo from the Times, he said he'd been discussing Brexit like us, and then.... I left it at that. I was SO tempted to have a massive row with THE arch-Remoaner.
But I resisted. Admire my restraint. It would have been deliciously entertaining,
Of course I could be lying and I've invented all this from a bungalow in Solihull. Hmmm.
Are you like Kirk St Moritz from Dear John?
I'm quite surprised to know Stephen Dorrel has a firm handshake. I would have imagined it to be limp and clammy.
I thought he was the bloke who died wearing sussies w an orange in his mouth!
I tried to stick some figures into Sunderland South and Houghton (Current Lab Majority 13000 - 69th safest seat) - purely as this is probably the first to declare.
(This assumes that half the 'Labour don't know if we'll stay to the party' actually do so and that the no longer Labour vote splits 70% Lib Dem - 25% Tory and the no longer UKIP vote 70% Tory, 30% Labour - I assumed ex Tories are mainly going to the Lib Dems (the europhile section)
I would suspect that the ex-Labour-voter in a heavily WWC areas will be MUCH higher than 36%, if only because it will be much lower in heavily multicultural areas.
Any thoughts?
Lib Dems and UKIP much too high. There's a "flight to quality" in this election, which means that the possibility of people voting for anything they might actually believe in is not going to happen. Sorry. I wish it was different, and there's still a few weeks to go, but in all seriousness, why would anyone other than the candidate's mum vote for the Lib Dems in Sunderland?
5200 voted Lib Dem in 2010 . ..
Yes - but the political landscape has changed since then. At least twice. 2010 election results are about as relevant as those from before the Great Reform Act.
So did "Strong and Stable" pull the trigger because of a Teenage twitterstorm?
Seems like it.
She is frit.
So, about the Lib Dems and David Ward.....
What's your take on that one
Quite right to ditch him.
But a leader who claims to be "strong and stable" bends like a reed in the wind.
You don't know if May had anything to do with the ditching, do you? more likely to be the constituency party and not on her radar, I would have thought. But anyway if it was the right thing to do (and if she did it), how does "bending like a reed" come into it?
I cannot believe that we are having these conversations in 2017, with a party with "Liberal" in its name. What next, LD health spokesman says homosexuality is medically curable?
Tories running from social conservatism does amuse me. Not a couple of years ago we were constantly told how social conservatives were being marginalised, and the Cameroons too achingly metropolitan liberal. I suppose that Theresa "nasty party" May must have been more Cameroon than she now seems.
So far we have had in this election,: Cons ditch Turner for being anti gay, Libs ditch Ward for anti-semitism and UKIP lose a regional director because of Islamophobia.
Is this the most politically correct election in British history?
Most social conservatives support grammar schools and ending free movement and back Israel (unlike Ward) there is also no sign of legalised drugs or Dutch style red light districts or a reduction in the abortion time limit and even Colorado has legalised marijuana with Canada to soon follow
I tried to stick some figures into Sunderland South and Houghton (Current Lab Majority 13000 - 69th safest seat) - purely as this is probably the first to declare.
(This assumes that half the 'Labour don't know if we'll stay to the party' actually do so and that the no longer Labour vote splits 70% Lib Dem - 25% Tory and the no longer UKIP vote 70% Tory, 30% Labour - I assumed ex Tories are mainly going to the Lib Dems (the europhile section)
I would suspect that the ex-Labour-voter in a heavily WWC areas will be MUCH higher than 36%, if only because it will be much lower in heavily multicultural areas.
Any thoughts?
Why do you think the LibDems are going to get that many votes when they never have previously ?
Worsley & Eccles South is 69th on the Conservative target list, with a Labour majority of just over 14% (and a 2015 Ukip vote of just over 18% available to mine.)
If seats this far down fall in numbers then the scale of the Conservative victory would likely be equal to or greater than in 1983.
Caution and natural pessimism prevents me from being that confident. It's quite possible, but I'll believe it when I see it.
I'm just at the end of a meal in a Michelin starred restaurant in France. And it's been terrific.
Reports of the death of French cuisine (from SeanT) have been exaggerated.
It is important to remember that Sean T is a professional writer of fiction. I have long suspected that his postings on PB.com about his exotic lifestyle are a similar work of fiction, and that in reality he lives in a bedsit in Neasden, existing on a diet of pot noodle and Subways.
You have a way of verifying that.
I am in (allegedly) a posh hotel in the Loire Valley, the Cheteau de Norieux. Very nice Michelin star restaurant - with a splendid Italian chef who said his favourite city in the world is London. Good man.
Anyway after this dinner, where I discussed everything from Brexit to sex with my French acquaintance, I walked out, through the lounge, and saw a distinctive looking Englishman sitting on the sofa with a quite MILFy woman. I thought - I recognise him.
So being a bit drunk I walked up and said hello and said Aren't you a politician. And he rose - quite an imposing man - gave me the hardest handshake in history, and said Yes I'm Stephen Dorrell I was a minister in John Major's government. I smiled warmly and said I was a journo from the Times, he said he'd been discussing Brexit like us, and then.... I left it at that. I was SO tempted to have a massive row with THE arch-Remoaner.
But I resisted. Admire my restraint. It would have been deliciously entertaining,
Of course I could be lying and I've invented all this from a bungalow in Solihull. Hmmm.
Are you like Kirk St Moritz from Dear John?
I'm quite surprised to know Stephen Dorrel has a firm handshake. I would have imagined it to be limp and clammy.
I thought he was the bloke who died wearing sussies w an orange in his mouth!
I had thought about voting LD but on balance decided despite Brexit I would vote Tory in this GE. I voted Remain last year and have spoken to others who did likewise. My feeling is Remain voters, the ones I speak with still think Brexit is wrong but we have to make the best of it - its a case of no turning back now. I am afraid we would be the weak man of the EU if we tried retracting it all. They would screw us for more and more money. Cameron was never going to get some brilliant deal, you are either a member on similar terms to other countries or your country is not. So PM May gets my vote to finish the job - If she screws it up I will be going else where with my vote.
Yes, I fully appreciate why so many Remain voters are sticking with the Conservatives. Brexit is a worry... Brexit under Corbyn would be a crisis.
It's worked out perfectly for Theresa May really... she carries the hopes and dreams of most Leave voters in what they see as the beginning of a golden age and, meanwhile, a significant minority of Remain voters are nervously looking to her for protection in what they see as troubled times ahead.
Just off topic but how on earth could the NHS allow this surgeon to butcher so many women.
It is horrific and no doubt he will be going down for a long sentence.
And how many millions will be paid, rightly, to his victims
I find this story completely bizarre as the treatment you receive when you have cancer is always (ALWAYS) determined by your final pathology report taken from biopsy.
The specialist takes a biopsy (along with doing other tests such as MRI, CT, etc) biopsy goes to pathologist, pathologist makes a report that contains a form diagnosis and then the surgeon along with several other people (multi-disciplinary-team or MDT) create a treatment plan based on your specific pathology.
The MDT should involve the surgeon (lets say in this case a breast surgeon) but also the pathologist, oncologists that specialize in the specific cancer you have, specialist nurses, radiologists, sometimes dietitians, etc.
In theory what this "doctor" did shouldn't be possible but clearly something went very, very wrong.
I tried to stick some figures into Sunderland South and Houghton (Current Lab Majority 13000 - 69th safest seat) - purely as this is probably the first to declare.
(This assumes that half the 'Labour don't know if we'll stay to the party' actually do so and that the no longer Labour vote splits 70% Lib Dem - 25% Tory and the no longer UKIP vote 70% Tory, 30% Labour - I assumed ex Tories are mainly going to the Lib Dems (the europhile section)
I would suspect that the ex-Labour-voter in a heavily WWC areas will be MUCH higher than 36%, if only because it will be much lower in heavily multicultural areas.
Any thoughts?
Lib Dems and UKIP much too high. There's a "flight to quality" in this election, which means that the possibility of people voting for anything they might actually believe in is not going to happen. Sorry. I wish it was different, and there's still a few weeks to go, but in all seriousness, why would anyone other than the candidate's mum vote for the Lib Dems in Sunderland?
I tried to stick some figures into Sunderland South and Houghton (Current Lab Majority 13000 - 69th safest seat) - purely as this is probably the first to declare.
(This assumes that half the 'Labour don't know if we'll stay to the party' actually do so and that the no longer Labour vote splits 70% Lib Dem - 25% Tory and the no longer UKIP vote 70% Tory, 30% Labour - I assumed ex Tories are mainly going to the Lib Dems (the europhile section)
I would suspect that the ex-Labour-voter in a heavily WWC areas will be MUCH higher than 36%, if only because it will be much lower in heavily multicultural areas.
Any thoughts?
Why do you think the LibDems are going to get that many votes when they never have previously ?
So did "Strong and Stable" pull the trigger because of a Teenage twitterstorm?
Seems like it.
She is frit.
So, about the Lib Dems and David Ward.....
What's your take on that one
Quite right to ditch him.
But a leader who claims to be "strong and stable" bends like a reed in the wind.
You don't know if May had anything to do with the ditching, do you? more likely to be the constituency party and not on her radar, I would have thought. But anyway if it was the right thing to do (and if she did it), how does "bending like a reed" come into it?
I cannot believe that we are having these conversations in 2017, with a party with "Liberal" in its name. What next, LD health spokesman says homosexuality is medically curable?
This site is becoming a parody, if Farage/Nuttall had obfuscated about gays in the way Farron has every thread header would be hysterical.
If a Ukip councillor in Boringsville on Sea had said what Farron has about homosexuality in the lead up to GE15, Farage would be getting harassed about it by every lefty wanker in the media
I had thought about voting LD but on balance decided despite Brexit I would vote Tory in this GE. I voted Remain last year and have spoken to others who did likewise. My feeling is Remain voters, the ones I speak with still think Brexit is wrong but we have to make the best of it - its a case of no turning back now. I am afraid we would be the weak man of the EU if we tried retracting it all. They would screw us for more and more money. Cameron was never going to get some brilliant deal, you are either a member on similar terms to other countries or your country is not. So PM May gets my vote to finish the job - If she screws it up I will be going else where with my vote.
Yes, I fully appreciate why so many Remain voters are sticking with the Conservatives. Brexit is a worry... Brexit under Corbyn would be a crisis.
It's worked out perfectly for Theresa May really... she carries the hopes and dreams of most Leave voters in what they see as the beginning of a golden age and, meanwhile, a significant minority of Remain voters are nervously looking to her for protection in what they see as troubled times ahead.
Yes, most of the 52% back May, as well as Conservative Remainers.
So did "Strong and Stable" pull the trigger because of a Teenage twitterstorm?
Seems like it.
She is frit.
So, about the Lib Dems and David Ward.....
What's your take on that one
Quite right to ditch him.
But a leader who claims to be "strong and stable" bends like a reed in the wind.
You don't know if May had anything to do with the ditching, do you? more likely to be the constituency party and not on her radar, I would have thought. But anyway if it was the right thing to do (and if she did it), how does "bending like a reed" come into it?
I cannot believe that we are having these conversations in 2017, with a party with "Liberal" in its name. What next, LD health spokesman says homosexuality is medically curable?
This site is becoming a parody, if Farage/Nuttall had obfuscated about gays in the way Farron has every thread header would be hysterical.
If a Ukip councillor in Boringsville on Sea had said what Farron has about homosexuality in the lead up to GE15, Farage would be getting harassed about it by every lefty wanker in the media
I tried to stick some figures into Sunderland South and Houghton (Current Lab Majority 13000 - 69th safest seat) - purely as this is probably the first to declare.
(This assumes that half the 'Labour don't know if we'll stay to the party' actually do so and that the no longer Labour vote splits 70% Lib Dem - 25% Tory and the no longer UKIP vote 70% Tory, 30% Labour - I assumed ex Tories are mainly going to the Lib Dems (the europhile section)
I would suspect that the ex-Labour-voter in a heavily WWC areas will be MUCH higher than 36%, if only because it will be much lower in heavily multicultural areas.
Any thoughts?
Lib Dems and UKIP much too high. There's a "flight to quality" in this election, which means that the possibility of people voting for anything they might actually believe in is not going to happen. Sorry. I wish it was different, and there's still a few weeks to go, but in all seriousness, why would anyone other than the candidate's mum vote for the Lib Dems in Sunderland?
Noted; but I'm still not convinced that "happy days are here again" for the Yellow Peril. I suppose the only thing that makes me think that there might be any hope for the Lib Dems is the much-trumpeted rise in their membership. I suppose there is always a bit of a "bounce" at election times, but this does seem to be unusual. But perhaps not as unusual as the rise in the Labour Party membership numbers at the Apotheosis of Corbyn.
So did "Strong and Stable" pull the trigger because of a Teenage twitterstorm?
Seems like it.
She is frit.
So, about the Lib Dems and David Ward.....
What's your take on that one
Quite right to ditch him.
But a leader who claims to be "strong and stable" bends like a reed in the wind.
You don't know if May had anything to do with the ditching, do you? more likely to be the constituency party and not on her radar, I would have thought. But anyway if it was the right thing to do (and if she did it), how does "bending like a reed" come into it?
I cannot believe that we are having these conversations in 2017, with a party with "Liberal" in its name. What next, LD health spokesman says homosexuality is medically curable?
Tories running from social conservatism does amuse me. Not a couple of years ago we were constantly told how social conservatives were being marginalised, and the Cameroons too achingly metropolitan liberal. I suppose that Theresa "nasty party" May must have been more Cameroon than she now seems.
So far we have had in this election,: Cons ditch Turner for being anti gay, Libs ditch Ward for anti-semitism and UKIP lose a regional director because of Islamophobia.
Is this the most politically correct election in British history?
I just thought anti gayness had dropped out so completely that it no longer featured in "social conservatism". Even Colonel and Mrs Bigot of The Old Rectory have usually has to come to terms with the fact that their son or daughter has come out - or if not their son, poor dear cousin Daphne's boy.
So SeanT has shaken hands with the chair of the European Movement UK?
Indeed. And In a French chateau. It's like Yalta.
Relatedly, the FT is reporting that the French and Germans believe the UK has no claim on any EU assets (for which we paid 15-20% of the cost) they don't give any reason for this. Just the Europeans being jerks. Mean while they are trying to dismember the UK and make us pay seventy billion plus accepting EU law in the UK for EU citizens forever and allowing all their families to enter the UK forever. Plus ongoing singing of the Marseillaise at all England football games. Plus forward payments to be in the Single Market. Plus they demand access to our fishing waters, still. Plus we must still follow all their rules on the environment and we can't compete on taxes.
We all accept divorce will be painful. In what divorce, however, does one side get to ask for all the money it wants, and yet denies there are any assets to be shared, and the other partner must go on the game for the next 16 years, to pay for the other partner's cider habit?
FUCK THESE EUROPEAN ASSHOLES
Leave. Hard Leave. Diamond Brexit. Not a fucking penny to these wheedling anti-democratic jerks. Deport the Europeans who are here. Put them on flimsy rafts. Eject them from Dover. Enough.
People can demand the Moon a stick. It doesn't mean they'll be given it.
So did "Strong and Stable" pull the trigger because of a Teenage twitterstorm?
Seems like it.
She is frit.
So, about the Lib Dems and David Ward.....
What's your take on that one
Quite right to ditch him.
But a leader who claims to be "strong and stable" bends like a reed in the wind.
You don't know if May had anything to do with the ditching, do you? more likely to be the constituency party and not on her radar, I would have thought. But anyway if it was the right thing to do (and if she did it), how does "bending like a reed" come into it?
I cannot believe that we are having these conversations in 2017, with a party with "Liberal" in its name. What next, LD health spokesman says homosexuality is medically curable?
This site is becoming a parody, if Farage/Nuttall had obfuscated about gays in the way Farron has every thread header would be hysterical.
If a Ukip councillor in Boringsville on Sea had said what Farron has about homosexuality in the lead up to GE15, Farage would be getting harassed about it by every lefty wanker in the media
Somewhat jaw-dropping that someone can be an MP for 16 years without anyone noticing they're a homophobe.
When he was first elected in 2001, his views were mainstream Tory party policy.
I wonder what Farron's views were in 2001?
Possibly not too different. Attitudes to sexuality, race and gender have radically changed over the decades. There is some evidence that even in migrant religious communities there has been a big shift in the same direction, albeit a couple of decades behind.
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The party has dealt with his idiocy sensibly. If it wasn't too late and if the Democrats had dealt with their candidates thinking it was OK to insult voters then maybe we wouldn't have President Trump right now. I'm not prepared to risk even one extra seat going to Corbyn's party because some numpty thinks calling innocent voters a "danger to society" is a good idea in 2017.
Not Jon Snow out of the old Tits and Dragons I might add...
Maybe I will be the only one....
Though a snap election does cause this sort of problem as unsuitable candidates like this, or David Ward get rushed through without proper vetting.
To be fair on Turner, he is just a bit behind the rest of his party. Theresa May did vote against repeal of section 28, so he is only about 20 years off supporting gay marriage. The solent crossing has long included an element of time travel.
Psychic Predictions for British General Election and French Elections.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ASsQXmW9278
About 10 minutes ago on June 8th the exit poll is announced that we have Prime Minister Corbyn.
Just think about that and it is why Theresa May will be repeating vote for her down the camera lens for the next six weeks - the only message needed
They get their chance on June 8. Telford Tories aren't that desperate for members
But a leader who claims to be "strong and stable" bends like a reed in the wind.
Calm down, Sandy. She's a Tory.
1: Being elected on a manifesto in 2005 calling for a referendum on the proposed EU Constitution.
2: Voting to waive through Parliament the rebranded Lisbon Treaty without a referendum as a "more meaningful in or out referendum" should be held instead.
3: Opposing the in or out referendum that was the parties own policy once Cameron proposed it.
I never could quite get my head around that.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/3441400/theresa-may-unveils-bold-plea-to-oust-scottish-national-party/
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4455510/Westminster-terrorist-named-Mohammed-Khalid-Omar-Ali.html
British Politics is really at an all time low with these intellectual lightweights in charge!
But look at who was supporting and praising that convoy and where the money went. If - and it is still an "if" - an individual connected with it is charged with terrorism offences during a GE campaign..... well, you can see where this might be going.
I cannot believe that we are having these conversations in 2017, with a party with "Liberal" in its name. What next, LD health spokesman says homosexuality is medically curable?
Betfair
Con 8/13
Lab 6/5
Ladbrokes
Con 7/4
Lab 2/5
Shadsy is being generous here.
Best guess (rounded)
Labour 15000
Tories 10000
Lib Dems 6750
UKIP 5000
Greens 1000
(This assumes that half the 'Labour don't know if we'll stay to the party' actually do so and that the no longer Labour vote splits 70% Lib Dem - 25% Tory and the no longer UKIP vote 70% Tory, 30% Labour - I assumed ex Tories are mainly going to the Lib Dems (the europhile section)
I would suspect that the ex-Labour-voter in a heavily WWC areas will be MUCH higher than 36%, if only because it will be much lower in heavily multicultural areas.
Any thoughts?
It's leftish Tory vs Marxist lunatic. Of course you'd go for the leftish Tory.
Over to you Donald
So far we have had in this election,: Cons ditch Turner for being anti gay, Libs ditch Ward for anti-semitism and UKIP lose a regional director because of Islamophobia.
Is this the most politically correct election in British history?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Houghton_and_Sunderland_South_(UK_Parliament_constituency)
You might not think the threat is all that great but I suspect that the people whose job it is to keep the PM and other prominent politicians safe would disagree.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-39748757
So he was a bit off when giving an analogy which he says is "roughly" (and he would argue that those figures don't include those here illegally). It isn't like he said the size of Liverpool and Aberdeen and it was actually the size of Bognor Regis.
Staged factory visits in front of bussed in party workers, with the real workers told not to speak to the press are not being done because of a terrorist risk. These are events designed purely for a soundbite on the telly.
You are letting your prejudices get the better of you.
If seats this far down fall in numbers then the scale of the Conservative victory would likely be equal to or greater than in 1983.
Caution and natural pessimism prevents me from being that confident. It's quite possible, but I'll believe it when I see it.
Fat boy will not be amused
He was a real orangeman.
It's worked out perfectly for Theresa May really... she carries the hopes and dreams of most Leave voters in what they see as the beginning of a golden age and, meanwhile, a significant minority of Remain voters are nervously looking to her for protection in what they see as troubled times ahead.
The specialist takes a biopsy (along with doing other tests such as MRI, CT, etc) biopsy goes to pathologist, pathologist makes a report that contains a form diagnosis and then the surgeon along with several other people (multi-disciplinary-team or MDT) create a treatment plan based on your specific pathology.
The MDT should involve the surgeon (lets say in this case a breast surgeon) but also the pathologist, oncologists that specialize in the specific cancer you have, specialist nurses, radiologists, sometimes dietitians, etc.
In theory what this "doctor" did shouldn't be possible but clearly something went very, very wrong.
Certainly the opinion polls show no evidence of it.
"North Korea crisis: North 'test-fires ballistic missile'"
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-39750240
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-oxfordshire-39742670
Just stating de trut'
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acocks_Green_(ward)#2000s