Labour's collapse in Scotland in 2015 will have knocked approx 2% off their GB vote share.In other words , had that not happened the national polls would be recording Labour poll ratings of 28%/29% - rather than 26% /27%. This rather implies that Labour's current support in England & Wales is very similar to 1983 and 2010.
Not a chance - one word Justin - Corbyn
Are you disputing my arithmetic - ie that losing Scotland has reduced Labour's GB rating by circa 2%?
I would never dispute your maths Justin but labour are heading for an existential crisis across the whole of the UK on 8th June no matter how you apply a mathematical formula
I am really simply suggesting that as of now Labour's support in England & Wales is comparable to 1983 and 2010.
On topic: the Ipsos Mori data highlighted above is no great surprise. I've not been paying particular attention to the certainty to vote figures in the polls (at least not by party; the yawning chasm between the different age cohorts is something I usually take note of,) but I do like to check out the migrations of 2015 voters between the parties, and those figures are pretty consistent and striking.
As displayed in the headline VI tables - i.e. discounting the DKs - the Tories hold on to anything up to the low 90s; Labour is often around the 60-65% mark; the Lib Dems can be down towards 55%; and Ukip are often at about 40% nowadays. The patterns of voter movement are also much of a muchness: significant fractions of the Labour and Lib Dem vote going to each other or to the Tories, and the lost Ukip voters migrating almost as a monolithic bloc into the blue column.
The notion that the Labour
Let's say 20% of Labour goes to the Lib Dems [ in Lib Dem first or second seats ] and 30% of Lib Dem votes go to Labour [ in Labour first or second seats ].
Why would that imply any softness of either party's supporters ? You should not underestimate the hatred of many towards the Tory party.
This may shock you, people hate the Labour party too.
Me for one. As a teenager in the late 70s I had the misfortune to be a hospital inpatient at a time when the pulbic sector unions were at war with the Labour government. Neither of them gave a flying whatever about the people they were supposed to be looking after. Don't anybody ever try to tell me the NHS is safer with that lot. It left me with a visceral loathing of Labour that has never left me.
I'd be entirely happy to see the Labour Party vanish. But, there needs to be a left of centre party that is sane.
Funnily enough, I'm reading Never Had it So Good at the moment, by Dominic Sandbrook.
The Labour Party of the 1940s and 1950s comes across just as patriotic as the Conservatives, to an extent that really surprised me, even more hawkish on defence, favouring higher defence spending, to the point of introducing prescription charges in the NHS in the early 1950s to pay for it, a big defender of parliamentary democracy, more eurosceptic than the then Conservatives, and a firm believer in Britain as an independent global power.
What happened to that Party?
All the Dominic Sandbrook histories are worth reading. You have a great many fun evenings ahead of you.
They are interesting, but he always puts a Tory spin on events.
"Bassetlaw’s MP has been hailed a “hero” after breaking up a bloody street brawl between two scrapping women in Worksop town centre. John Mann was walking along Queen Street yesterday (Wednesday, April 26) when he saw the two women fighting while a large crowd watched on. The Labour MP said someone in the crowd shouted, “That’s John Mann” as he stepped in between the women and “separated boot from head.”"
My favourite Norman Fowler quote on homosexuality is he uttered "they do that?!" when told about homosexual practices behind private doors. The thing that puzzled me is he had been to Oxbridge, how could he be so unaware of what homosexuals do? Unless he was joking but I do not think he had a sense of humour then or now!
It was obvious the IOW MP was going to be pushed the second it was reported as that sort of comment in future years will become a hate crime no doubt, if it isn't already.
It strikes me that the Lib Dems are somehow being particularly casual about this election. They seem to think that they are going to do well regardless, as if it was some sort of immutable law of the universe. Something in my bones tells me they are going to get clobbered in June.
It's 2022 I'm looking forward to now. If the Tories haven't split by then.
I agree, the Lib Dems will get hammered in this election in England. I wonder if Nick Clegg is at risk - an under the radar operation by the Tories. On the other side of the coin in Scotland they might take seats back but it depends on whether the unionist vote can be intelligent.
The unionist vote has been energised by Ruth Davidson and the scotcon will get a big boost because of it and maybe an extra 1 or 2 Lib Dem seats as they are very pro the union
As was posted the other night , although there is a lower % of softer Conservative voters they are numerically larger . If half of all those who may change their vote actually did so the Conservative vote share would go down not up .
I expect the Tory vote to either flatline or go down slightly in a lot of Remain areas like Oxfordshire, Berkshire, Bath, etc, particularly where the Labour vote is already very low because most Tory gains at this election will come from lower-middle class Labour voters and not from other sources.
Er....maybe from UKIP?????
EDIT: Even Remainy areas have a significant UKIP vote to plunder.
Labour's collapse in Scotland in 2015 will have knocked approx 2% off their GB vote share.In other words , had that not happened the national polls would be recording Labour poll ratings of 28%/29% - rather than 26% /27%. This rather implies that Labour's current support in England & Wales is very similar to 1983 and 2010.
Not a chance - one word Justin - Corbyn
Are you disputing my arithmetic - ie that losing Scotland has reduced Labour's GB rating by circa 2%?
I would never dispute your maths Justin but labour are heading for an existential crisis across the whole of the UK on 8th June no matter how you apply a mathematical formula
I am really simply suggesting that as of now Labour's support in England & Wales is comparable to 1983 and 2010.
I really do not think it is but we will get a good idea by next friday after the local and Scots votes
"Bassetlaw’s MP has been hailed a “hero” after breaking up a bloody street brawl between two scrapping women in Worksop town centre. John Mann was walking along Queen Street yesterday (Wednesday, April 26) when he saw the two women fighting while a large crowd watched on. The Labour MP said someone in the crowd shouted, “That’s John Mann” as he stepped in between the women and “separated boot from head.”"
It strikes me that the Lib Dems are somehow being particularly casual about this election. They seem to think that they are going to do well regardless, as if it was some sort of immutable law of the universe. Something in my bones tells me they are going to get clobbered in June.
It's 2022 I'm looking forward to now. If the Tories haven't split by then.
I agree, the Lib Dems will get hammered in this election in England. I wonder if Nick Clegg is at risk - an under the radar operation by the Tories. On the other side of the coin in Scotland they might take seats back but it depends on whether the unionist vote can be intelligent.
In 7 days time you will have to explain how the Lib Dems will get hammered in the GE despite doing so well in the local elections in England .
As was posted the other night , although there is a lower % of softer Conservative voters they are numerically larger . If half of all those who may change their vote actually did so the Conservative vote share would go down not up .
I expect the Tory vote to either flatline or go down slightly in a lot of Remain areas like Oxfordshire, Berkshire, Bath, etc, particularly where the Labour vote is already very low because most Tory gains at this election will come from lower-middle class Labour voters and not from other sources. Therefore if that type of vote is already at rock bottom there won't be anywhere for an increase in the Con share to come from. Newbury is a good example.
If, and it is a big if, we are in landslide territory it will roll over everywhere apart from a few seats in the south or south west
"Bassetlaw’s MP has been hailed a “hero” after breaking up a bloody street brawl between two scrapping women in Worksop town centre. John Mann was walking along Queen Street yesterday (Wednesday, April 26) when he saw the two women fighting while a large crowd watched on. The Labour MP said someone in the crowd shouted, “That’s John Mann” as he stepped in between the women and “separated boot from head.”"
Labour's collapse in Scotland in 2015 will have knocked approx 2% off their GB vote share.In other words , had that not happened the national polls would be recording Labour poll ratings of 28%/29% - rather than 26% /27%. This rather implies that Labour's current support in England & Wales is very similar to 1983 and 2010.
Not a chance - one word Justin - Corbyn
Are you disputing my arithmetic - ie that losing Scotland has reduced Labour's GB rating by circa 2%?
There must be actual data for Lab vote share in E & W whereby you can answer your own question directly rather than doing it ass backwards by subtracting 2015 S data from 2017 GB data. Plus your argument ignores the possibility that some 2015 Lab->SNP defectors have redefected, albeit not in large enough numbers to win any seats.
I really hope the Conservative party put forward a sane and comprehensive plan for healthcare in this country going forward. It's criminal that this isn't being looked at properly.
A sensible proposal would be to remove it from politics altogether. Party politics has not helped the NHS
But the public would still blame the politicians, and they would be the ones getting kicked in the nuts for it with no actual recourse to solving anything. We could just take it out of the public sector completely, ring fence payments from people's payslips where it goes directly to funding the NHS and then let them be run as a non-profit. Almost like the insurance based system in Europe, but then there would be outcries of privatisation.
Good luck suggesting that 8+% of GDP should be spent with democratic control.
I prefer the European system for the long term, ours is increasingly unsustainable.
In every country they say the same thing.
The dirty secret is this - rationing is imposed by constraining resources. Doctors and nurses feel upset at the idea of turning patients away, so they push the system to it's limits. It the plan*...
Why do you think there was a panic when the European Court ruled that health tourism was a right? and how it go fixed so quickly? Just imagine that everyone on the NHS waiting list got their operation. And go it paid for. Repeat for Germany, France etc....
*"You know what I've noticed? Nobody panics when things go "according to plan." Even if the plan is horrifying! If, tomorrow, I tell the press that, like, a gang banger will get shot, or a truckload of soldiers will be blown up, nobody panics, because it's all "part of the plan"...
News for some people; there isn't a 'European' healthcare system and ...
Scandinavia and Spain, at least, are funded like ours from general taxation or in Sweden and Finland more from local taxation. Mostly free at the point of use, like ours. Canada - similar. South Korea - apparently similar to ours (well, until the North invades...)
All come up against limited resources, but they're less limited in say Canada than they are here because it spends over 10% of GDP and that's more than we do.
Thatcher was no friend of the NHS and wanted to privatise it US-style but after being partly dissuaded - and only getting an internal market - the outcome was that the UK spent 4% more per year than the year before (in real terms).
It strikes me that the Lib Dems are somehow being particularly casual about this election. They seem to think that they are going to do well regardless, as if it was some sort of immutable law of the universe. Something in my bones tells me they are going to get clobbered in June.
It's 2022 I'm looking forward to now. If the Tories haven't split by then.
I agree, the Lib Dems will get hammered in this election in England. I wonder if Nick Clegg is at risk - an under the radar operation by the Tories. On the other side of the coin in Scotland they might take seats back but it depends on whether the unionist vote can be intelligent.
In 7 days time you will have to explain how the Lib Dems will get hammered in the GE despite doing so well in the local elections in England .
It strikes me that the Lib Dems are somehow being particularly casual about this election. They seem to think that they are going to do well regardless, as if it was some sort of immutable law of the universe. Something in my bones tells me they are going to get clobbered in June.
It's 2022 I'm looking forward to now. If the Tories haven't split by then.
I agree, the Lib Dems will get hammered in this election in England. I wonder if Nick Clegg is at risk - an under the radar operation by the Tories. On the other side of the coin in Scotland they might take seats back but it depends on whether the unionist vote can be intelligent.
In 7 days time you will have to explain how the Lib Dems will get hammered in the GE despite doing so well in the local elections in England .
It strikes me that the Lib Dems are somehow being particularly casual about this election. They seem to think that they are going to do well regardless, as if it was some sort of immutable law of the universe. Something in my bones tells me they are going to get clobbered in June.
It's 2022 I'm looking forward to now. If the Tories haven't split by then.
I agree, the Lib Dems will get hammered in this election in England. I wonder if Nick Clegg is at risk - an under the radar operation by the Tories. On the other side of the coin in Scotland they might take seats back but it depends on whether the unionist vote can be intelligent.
In 7 days time you will have to explain how the Lib Dems will get hammered in the GE despite doing so well in the local elections in England .
Voting Lib Dem at the moment in England is like a man pissing in the ocean, the yellow will be diluted by the sea of blue.
I really hope the Conservative party put forward a sane and comprehensive plan for healthcare in this country going forward. It's criminal that this isn't being looked at properly.
It'd be nice if The Maybot emerged from whichever safe space she's hiding in to say anything substantive at all.
I thought Miliband's Labour was the very apex of repeating meaningless slogans ad nauseam but May is in a different league.
Meeting with the Japanese PM today at chequers discussing trade. Theresa May gets on with the day job promoting this great Country while Corbyn self destructs
Stabur a Stronn Japo-san, Stabur a Stronn. Blexit meas Blexit!
On topic: the Ipsos Mori data highlighted above is no great surprise. I've not been paying particular attention to the certainty to vote figures in the polls (at least not by party; the yawning chasm between the different age cohorts is something I usually take note of,) but I do like to check out the migrations of 2015 voters between the parties, and those figures are pretty consistent and striking. .
Let's say 20% of Labour goes to the Lib Dems [ in Lib Dem first or second seats ] and 30% of Lib Dem votes go to Labour [ in Labour first or second seats ].
Why would that imply any softness of either party's supporters ? You should not underestimate the hatred of many towards the Tory party.
This may shock you, people hate the Labour party too.
Me for one. As a teenager in the late 70s I had the misfortune to be a hospital inpatient at a time when the pulbic sector unions were at war with the Labour government. Neither of them gave a flying whatever about the people they were supposed to be looking after. Don't anybody ever try to tell me the NHS is safer with that lot. It left me with a visceral loathing of Labour that has never left me.
I'd be entirely happy to see the Labour Party vanish. But, there needs to be a left of centre party that is sane.
Funnily enough, I'm reading Never Had it So Good at the moment, by Dominic Sandbrook.
The Labour Party of the 1940s and 1950s comes across just as patriotic as the Conservatives, to an extent that really surprised me, even more hawkish on defence, favouring higher defence spending, to the point of introducing prescription charges in the NHS in the early 1950s to pay for it, a big defender of parliamentary democracy, more eurosceptic than the then Conservatives, and a firm believer in Britain as an independent global power.
What happened to that Party?
The cultural revolution, then Militant
That Labour Party might have tempted me.
Sad.
It's what I thought I was voting for up to 2010! I never really paid much attention to it, just knew that's what my family always voted for and we were working class not posh!
"Bassetlaw’s MP has been hailed a “hero” after breaking up a bloody street brawl between two scrapping women in Worksop town centre. John Mann was walking along Queen Street yesterday (Wednesday, April 26) when he saw the two women fighting while a large crowd watched on. The Labour MP said someone in the crowd shouted, “That’s John Mann” as he stepped in between the women and “separated boot from head.”"
Certainly a lot more respect for him than Jon Snow who not only ran away from such incident, he also didn't even ring to the police...while a lady was having her head repeatedly rammed into the bonnet of a car.
It strikes me that the Lib Dems are somehow being particularly casual about this election. They seem to think that they are going to do well regardless, as if it was some sort of immutable law of the universe. Something in my bones tells me they are going to get clobbered in June.
It's 2022 I'm looking forward to now. If the Tories haven't split by then.
I agree, the Lib Dems will get hammered in this election in England. I wonder if Nick Clegg is at risk - an under the radar operation by the Tories. On the other side of the coin in Scotland they might take seats back but it depends on whether the unionist vote can be intelligent.
In 7 days time you will have to explain how the Lib Dems will get hammered in the GE despite doing so well in the local elections in England .
It will be a good test of the ability to do well in both
As was posted the other night , although there is a lower % of softer Conservative voters they are numerically larger . If half of all those who may change their vote actually did so the Conservative vote share would go down not up .
I expect the Tory vote to either flatline or go down slightly in a lot of Remain areas like Oxfordshire, Berkshire, Bath, etc, particularly where the Labour vote is already very low because most Tory gains at this election will come from lower-middle class Labour voters and not from other sources. Therefore if that type of vote is already at rock bottom there won't be anywhere for an increase in the Con share to come from. Newbury is a good example.
If, and it is a big if, we are in landslide territory it will roll over everywhere apart from a few seats in the south or south west
I can't really see the Tory vote increasing much in remain-y places like Henley, the LDs will receive a boost, Howell's majority may be slightly trimmed, but that's all.
It strikes me that the Lib Dems are somehow being particularly casual about this election. They seem to think that they are going to do well regardless, as if it was some sort of immutable law of the universe. Something in my bones tells me they are going to get clobbered in June.
It's 2022 I'm looking forward to now. If the Tories haven't split by then.
I agree, the Lib Dems will get hammered in this election in England. I wonder if Nick Clegg is at risk - an under the radar operation by the Tories. On the other side of the coin in Scotland they might take seats back but it depends on whether the unionist vote can be intelligent.
"Bassetlaw’s MP has been hailed a “hero” after breaking up a bloody street brawl between two scrapping women in Worksop town centre. John Mann was walking along Queen Street yesterday (Wednesday, April 26) when he saw the two women fighting while a large crowd watched on. The Labour MP said someone in the crowd shouted, “That’s John Mann” as he stepped in between the women and “separated boot from head.”"
On topic: the Ipsos Mori data highlighted above is no great surprise. I've not been paying particular attention to the certainty to vote figures in the polls (at least not by party; the yawning chasm between the different age cohorts is something I usually take note of,) but I do like to check out the migrations of 2015 voters between the parties, and those figures are pretty consistent and striking. .
Let's say 20% of Labour goes to the Lib Dems [ in Lib Dem first or second seats ] and 30% of Lib Dem votes go to Labour [ in Labour first or second seats ].
Why would that imply any softness of either party's supporters ? You should not underestimate the hatred of many towards the Tory party.
This may shock you, people hate the Labour party too.
Me for one. As a teenager in the late 70s I had the misfortune to be a hospital inpatient at a time when the pulbic sector unions were at war with the Labour government. Neither of them gave a flying whatever about the people they were supposed to be looking after. Don't anybody ever try to tell me the NHS is safer with that lot. It left me with a visceral loathing of Labour that has never left me.
I'd be entirely happy to see the Labour Party vanish. But, there needs to be a left of centre party that is sane.
Funnily enough, I'm reading Never Had it So Good at the moment, by Dominic Sandbrook.
The Labour Party of the 1940s and 1950s comes across just as patriotic as the Conservatives, to an extent that really surprised me, even more hawkish on defence, favouring higher defence spending, to the point of introducing prescription charges in the NHS in the early 1950s to pay for it, a big defender of parliamentary democracy, more eurosceptic than the then Conservatives, and a firm believer in Britain as an independent global power.
What happened to that Party?
The cultural revolution, then Militant
That Labour Party might have tempted me.
Sad.
It's what I thought I was voting for up to 2010! I never really paid much attention to it, just knew that's what my family always voted for and we were working class not posh!
You hadn't been voting for that party since at least the mid-80s.
On topic: the Ipsos Mori data highlighted above is no great surprise. I've not been paying particular attention to the certainty to vote figures in the polls (at least not by party; the yawning chasm between the different age cohorts is something I usually take note of,) but I do like to check out the migrations of 2015 voters between the parties, and those figures are pretty consistent and striking. .
Let's say 20% of Labour goes to the Lib Dems [ in Lib Dem first or second seats ] and 30% of Lib Dem votes go to Labour [ in Labour first or second seats ].
Why would that imply any softness of either party's supporters ? You should not underestimate the hatred of many towards the Tory party.
This may shock you, people hate the Labour party too.
Me for one. As a teenager in the late 70s I had the misfortune to be a hospital inpatient at a time when the pulbic sector unions were at war with the Labour government. Neither of them gave a flying whatever about the people they were supposed to be looking after. Don't anybody ever try to tell me the NHS is safer with that lot. It left me with a visceral loathing of Labour that has never left me.
I'd be entirely happy to see the Labour Party vanish. But, there needs to be a left of centre party that is sane.
Funnily enough, I'm reading Never Had it So Good at the moment, by Dominic Sandbrook.
The Labour Party of the 1940s and 1950s comes across just as patriotic as the Conservatives, to an extent that really surprised me, even more hawkish on defence, favouring higher defence spending, to the point of introducing prescription charges in the NHS in the early 1950s to pay for it, a big defender of parliamentary democracy, more eurosceptic than the then Conservatives, and a firm believer in Britain as an independent global power.
What happened to that Party?
The cultural revolution, then Militant
That Labour Party might have tempted me.
Sad.
What had been fringe beliefs among a few of the upper middle classes gradually became widespread among the urban middle classes.
Labour's collapse in Scotland in 2015 will have knocked approx 2% off their GB vote share.In other words , had that not happened the national polls would be recording Labour poll ratings of 28%/29% - rather than 26% /27%. This rather implies that Labour's current support in England & Wales is very similar to 1983 and 2010.
Not a chance - one word Justin - Corbyn
Are you disputing my arithmetic - ie that losing Scotland has reduced Labour's GB rating by circa 2%?
There must be actual data for Lab vote share in E & W whereby you can answer your own question directly rather than doing it ass backwards by subtracting 2015 S data from 2017 GB data. Plus your argument ignores the possibility that some 2015 Lab->SNP defectors have redefected, albeit not in large enough numbers to win any seats.
Labour's vote share in Scotland in 2010 was circa 42% compared with 18% in today's Yougov poll.Given that Scotland accounts for circa 8% of the GB electorate a drop of 24% there is the equivalent to losing 2% approx across GB as a whole. Labour was not so strong in Scotland in 1983,but had the later collapse then taken place Labour's GB share would have been circa 26.5% - rather than the 28.3% outcome.
On topic: the Ipsos Mori data highlighted above is no great surprise. I've not been paying particular attention to the certainty to vote figures in the polls (at least not by party; the yawning chasm between the different age cohorts is something I usually take note of,) but I do like to check out the migrations of 2015 voters between the parties, and those figures are pretty consistent and striking. .
Let's say 20% of Labour goes to the Lib Dems [ in Lib Dem first or second seats ] and 30% of Lib Dem votes go to Labour [ in Labour first or second seats ].
Why would that imply any softness of either party's supporters ? You should not underestimate the hatred of many towards the Tory party.
This may shock you, people hate the Labour party too.
Me for one. As a teenager in the late 70s I had the misfortune to be a hospital inpatient at a time when the pulbic sector unions were at war with the Labour government. Neither of them gave a flying whatever about the people they were supposed to be looking after. Don't anybody ever try to tell me the NHS is safer with that lot. It left me with a visceral loathing of Labour that has never left me.
I'd be entirely happy to see the Labour Party vanish. But, there needs to be a left of centre party that is sane.
Funnily enough, I'm reading Never Had it So Good at the moment, by Dominic Sandbrook.
The Labour Party of the 1940s and 1950s comes across just as patriotic as the Conservatives, to an extent that really surprised me, even more hawkish on defence, favouring higher defence spending, to the point of introducing prescription charges in the NHS in the early 1950s to pay for it, a big defender of parliamentary democracy, more eurosceptic than the then Conservatives, and a firm believer in Britain as an independent global power.
What happened to that Party?
The cultural revolution, then Militant
That Labour Party might have tempted me.
Sad.
That is the Labour party of my folk-memory, so to speak. I was a bit too young to be able to call it an actual memory.
It strikes me that the Lib Dems are somehow being particularly casual about this election. They seem to think that they are going to do well regardless, as if it was some sort of immutable law of the universe. Something in my bones tells me they are going to get clobbered in June.
It's 2022 I'm looking forward to now. If the Tories haven't split by then.
I agree, the Lib Dems will get hammered in this election in England. I wonder if Nick Clegg is at risk - an under the radar operation by the Tories. On the other side of the coin in Scotland they might take seats back but it depends on whether the unionist vote can be intelligent.
There is no chance of Nick Clegg losing.
Main challenger Labour, big Remain vote, LibDem vote share up since 2015.
I am certain that Theresa May will continue, at every moment, to ask for the vote for her, looking down the camera lens, pointing out that any other vote may end up with Prime Minister Corbyn. The visual effect of Prime Minister Corbyn will see huge numbers of votes for her.
On topic: the Ipsos Mori data highlighted above is no great surprise. I've not been paying particular attention to the certainty to vote figures in the polls (at least not by party; the yawning chasm between the different age cohorts is something I usually take note of,) but I do like to check out the migrations of 2015 voters between the parties, and those figures are pretty consistent and striking. .
Let's say 20% of Labour goes to the Lib Dems [ in Lib Dem first or second seats ] and 30% of Lib Dem votes go to Labour [ in Labour first or second seats ].
Why would that imply any softness of either party's supporters ? You should not underestimate the hatred of many towards the Tory party.
This may shock you, people hate the Labour party too.
Me for one. As a teenager in the late 70s I had the misfortune to be a hospital inpatient at a time when the pulbic sector unions were at war with the Labour government. Neither of them gave a flying whatever about the people they were supposed to be looking after. Don't anybody ever try to tell me the NHS is safer with that lot. It left me with a visceral loathing of Labour that has never left me.
I'd be entirely happy to see the Labour Party vanish. But, there needs to be a left of centre party that is sane.
Funnily enough, I'm reading Never Had it So Good at the moment, by Dominic Sandbrook.
The Labour Party of the 1940s and 1950s comes across just as patriotic as the Conservatives, to an extent that really surprised me, even more hawkish on defence, favouring higher defence spending, to the point of introducing prescription charges in the NHS in the early 1950s to pay for it, a big defender of parliamentary democracy, more eurosceptic than the then Conservatives, and a firm believer in Britain as an independent global power.
What happened to that Party?
The cultural revolution, then Militant
That Labour Party might have tempted me.
Sad.
It's what I thought I was voting for up to 2010! I never really paid much attention to it, just knew that's what my family always voted for and we were working class not posh!
You hadn't been voting for that party since at least the mid-80s.
Her Leave-Remain vacillations did her no harm - Dr Sarah Wollaston was unanimously elected tonight as Conservative candidate, by a very large general meeting.
Next Health Secretary - it would be a bold choice
She has pissed off a lot of people during her time in the Awkward Squad....
If they can swallow ringing Mr Goldsmith back, why should they worry about Dr Wollaston?
My favourite Norman Fowler quote on homosexuality is he uttered "they do that?!" when told about homosexual practices behind private doors. The thing that puzzled me is he had been to Oxbridge, how could he be so unaware of what homosexuals do? Unless he was joking but I do not think he had a sense of humour then or now!
It was obvious the IOW MP was going to be pushed the second it was reported as that sort of comment in future years will become a hate crime no doubt, if it isn't already.
Well ... I went to Oxbridge, and before that to a *very* traditional single-sex public school, but I had to have the Julian Clary Norman Lamont joke explained to me.
Any Asian betting syndicates big into rugby? With 90 seconds to get and 1 point splitting the teams lights have gone off twice in Leinster - Glasgow match
The last time an Isle of Wight Tory MP was forced to resign in strange circumstances the beneficiaries were the Liberals, who famously came from no-where to win the seat. When a journo phoned up Cowley Street (or whatever it was called in those days) for a comment, the Spokesman denied having won it because it was so improbable.
My favourite Norman Fowler quote on homosexuality is he uttered "they do that?!" when told about homosexual practices behind private doors. The thing that puzzled me is he had been to Oxbridge, how could he be so unaware of what homosexuals do? Unless he was joking but I do not think he had a sense of humour then or now!
It was obvious the IOW MP was going to be pushed the second it was reported as that sort of comment in future years will become a hate crime no doubt, if it isn't already.
Norman Fowler deserves enormous credit as Health Secretary for the 1986 public information campaign about HIV/AIDS, in the face of opposition from a prudish Margaret Thatcher. I'm sure he was fully informed about gay sex, although not from personal experience.
I am certain that Theresa May will continue, at every moment, to ask for the vote for her, looking down the camera lens, pointing out that any other vote may end up with Prime Minister Corbyn. The visual effect of Prime Minister Corbyn will see huge numbers of votes for her.
Nobody in their right mind sees a prospect of PM Corbyn. The prospect of a one party state is much more scarily real.
But the public would still blame the politicians, and they would be the ones getting kicked in the nuts for it with no actual recourse to solving anything. We could just take it out of the public sector completely, ring fence payments from people's payslips where it goes directly to funding the NHS and then let them be run as a non-profit. Almost like the insurance based system in Europe, but then there would be outcries of privatisation.
Good luck suggesting that 8+% of GDP should be spent with democratic control.
I prefer the European system for the long term, ours is increasingly unsustainable.
In every country they say the same thing.
The dirty secret is this - rationing is imposed by constraining resources. Doctors and nurses feel upset at the idea of turning patients away, so they push the system to it's limits. It the plan*...
Why do you think there was a panic when the European Court ruled that health tourism was a right? and how it go fixed so quickly? Just imagine that everyone on the NHS waiting list got their operation. And go it paid for. Repeat for Germany, France etc....
*"You know what I've noticed? Nobody panics when things go "according to plan." Even if the plan is horrifying! If, tomorrow, I tell the press that, like, a gang banger will get shot, or a truckload of soldiers will be blown up, nobody panics, because it's all "part of the plan"...
News for some people; there isn't a 'European' healthcare system and ...
Scandinavia and Spain, at least, are funded like ours from general taxation or in Sweden and Finland more from local taxation. Mostly free at the point of use, like ours. Canada - similar. South Korea - apparently similar to ours (well, until the North invades...)
All come up against limited resources, but they're less limited in say Canada than they are here because it spends over 10% of GDP and that's more than we do.
Thatcher was no friend of the NHS and wanted to privatise it US-style but after being partly dissuaded - and only getting an internal market - the outcome was that the UK spent 4% more per year than the year before (in real terms).
Perhaps you misunderstand - despite the varying funding models, health care is being rationed by restricting supply, pretty much everywhere in the advanced world.
Allowing no holds barred health tourism - go to another country get treated, home country is forced to pay the bill... would have blown a big hole in everybody's budget calculations...
I am certain that Theresa May will continue, at every moment, to ask for the vote for her, looking down the camera lens, pointing out that any other vote may end up with Prime Minister Corbyn. The visual effect of Prime Minister Corbyn will see huge numbers of votes for her.
Nobody in their right mind sees a prospect of PM Corbyn. The prospect of a one party state is much more scarily real.
My favourite Norman Fowler quote on homosexuality is he uttered "they do that?!" when told about homosexual practices behind private doors. The thing that puzzled me is he had been to Oxbridge, how could he be so unaware of what homosexuals do? Unless he was joking but I do not think he had a sense of humour then or now!
It was obvious the IOW MP was going to be pushed the second it was reported as that sort of comment in future years will become a hate crime no doubt, if it isn't already.
Norman Fowler deserves enormous credit as Health Secretary for the 1986 public information campaign about HIV/AIDS, in the face of opposition from a prudish Margaret Thatcher. I'm sure he was fully informed about gay sex, although not from personal experience.
Voting Lib Dem at the moment in England is like a man pissing in the ocean, the yellow will be diluted by the sea of blue.
More like a ray of golden sunlight shining into a very dark room.
That is another interpretation!
I had thought about voting LD but on balance decided despite Brexit I would vote Tory in this GE. I voted Remain last year and have spoken to others who did likewise. My feeling is Remain voters, the ones I speak with still think Brexit is wrong but we have to make the best of it - its a case of no turning back now. I am afraid we would be the weak man of the EU if we tried retracting it all. They would screw us for more and more money. Cameron was never going to get some brilliant deal, you are either a member on similar terms to other countries or your country is not. So PM May gets my vote to finish the job - If she screws it up I will be going else where with my vote.
I am certain that Theresa May will continue, at every moment, to ask for the vote for her, looking down the camera lens, pointing out that any other vote may end up with Prime Minister Corbyn. The visual effect of Prime Minister Corbyn will see huge numbers of votes for her.
Nobody in their right mind sees a prospect of PM Corbyn. The prospect of a one party state is much more scarily real.
Yes, but according to polls somewhere between 24-28% of the country are not in their right minds.
I'm just at the end of a meal in a Michelin starred restaurant in France. And it's been terrific.
Reports of the death of French cuisine (from SeanT) have been exaggerated.
It is important to remember that Sean T is a professional writer of fiction. I have long suspected that his postings on PB.com about his exotic lifestyle are a similar work of fiction, and that in reality he lives in a bedsit in Neasden, existing on a diet of pot noodle and Subways.
You have a way of verifying that.
I am in (allegedly) a posh hotel in the Loire Valley, the Cheteau de Norieux. Very nice Michelin star restaurant - with a splendid Italian chef who said his favourite city in the world is London. Good man.
Anyway after this dinner, where I discussed everything from Brexit to sex with my French acquaintance, I walked out, through the lounge, and saw a distinctive looking Englishman sitting on the sofa with a quite MILFy woman. I thought - I recognise him.
So being a bit drunk I walked up and said hello and said Aren't you a politician. And he rose - quite an imposing man - gave me the hardest handshake in history, and said Yes I'm Stephen Dorrell I was a minister in John Major's government. I smiled warmly and said I was a journo from the Times, he said he'd been discussing Brexit like us, and then.... I left it at that. I was SO tempted to have a massive row with THE arch-Remoaner.
But I resisted. Admire my restraint. It would have been deliciously entertaining,
Of course I could be lying and I've invented all this from a bungalow in Solihull. Hmmm.
I am certain that Theresa May will continue, at every moment, to ask for the vote for her, looking down the camera lens, pointing out that any other vote may end up with Prime Minister Corbyn. The visual effect of Prime Minister Corbyn will see huge numbers of votes for her.
Nobody in their right mind sees a prospect of PM Corbyn. The prospect of a one party state is much more scarily real.
Yes, but according to polls somewhere between 24-28% of the country are not in their right minds.
My favourite Norman Fowler quote on homosexuality is he uttered "they do that?!" when told about homosexual practices behind private doors. The thing that puzzled me is he had been to Oxbridge, how could he be so unaware of what homosexuals do? Unless he was joking but I do not think he had a sense of humour then or now!
It was obvious the IOW MP was going to be pushed the second it was reported as that sort of comment in future years will become a hate crime no doubt, if it isn't already.
Norman Fowler deserves enormous credit as Health Secretary for the 1986 public information campaign about HIV/AIDS, in the face of opposition from a prudish Margaret Thatcher. I'm sure he was fully informed about gay sex, although not from personal experience.
The last time an Isle of Wight Tory MP was forced to resign in strange circumstances the beneficiaries were the Liberals, who famously came from no-where to win the seat. When a journo phoned up Cowley Street (or whatever it was called in those days) for a comment, the Spokesman denied having won it because it was so improbable.
The Tory MP did not resign . Mark Woodnutt was defeated by Stephen Ross in February 1974.
I am certain that Theresa May will continue, at every moment, to ask for the vote for her, looking down the camera lens, pointing out that any other vote may end up with Prime Minister Corbyn. The visual effect of Prime Minister Corbyn will see huge numbers of votes for her.
Nobody in their right mind sees a prospect of PM Corbyn. The prospect of a one party state is much more scarily real.
That's the mistake the PLP made in the first place.
So did "Strong and Stable" pull the trigger because of a Teenage twitterstorm?
Seems like it.
She is frit.
Why would dismissing a candidate who allegedly had made homosexual comments be frit
I imagine there are quite a few Conservative MP's who would have no desire whatsoever to attend Gay Pride marches.
I suspect that holds true for quite a substantial proportion of the population of the UK, but not quite as large a proportion of the population of Saudi Arabia.
Voting Lib Dem at the moment in England is like a man pissing in the ocean, the yellow will be diluted by the sea of blue.
More like a ray of golden sunlight shining into a very dark room.
That is another interpretation!
I had thought about voting LD but on balance decided despite Brexit I would vote Tory in this GE. I voted Remain last year and have spoken to others who did likewise. My feeling is Remain voters, the ones I speak with still think Brexit is wrong but we have to make the best of it - its a case of no turning back now. I am afraid we would be the weak man of the EU if we tried retracting it all. They would screw us for more and more money. Cameron was never going to get some brilliant deal, you are either a member on similar terms to other countries or your country is not. So PM May gets my vote to finish the job - If she screws it up I will be going else where with my vote.
Good post
And I think you reflect a huge number of voters and it is why I cannot see anything other than a substantial Theresa May majority
So did "Strong and Stable" pull the trigger because of a Teenage twitterstorm?
Seems like it.
She is frit.
Why would dismissing a candidate who allegedly had made homosexual comments be frit
I imagine there are quite a few Conservative MP's who would have no desire whatsoever to attend Gay Pride marches.
I suspect that holds true for quite a substantial proportion of the population of the UK, but not quite as large a proportion of the population of Saudi Arabia.
A far larger proportion of Saudi Arabian men would think nothing of walking around holding hands with a male friend.
So did "Strong and Stable" pull the trigger because of a Teenage twitterstorm?
Seems like it.
She is frit.
Why would dismissing a candidate who allegedly had made homosexual comments be frit
Apparently everything she does is frit. She stands up, she's frit. She calls an election, she's frit... etc.
Avoiding any exposure to real non tame voters certainly fits the description.
Very Jeremy Corbyn
You're just bullshitting now G. You can accuse Corbyn of many things and Jesus, I'd be first to agree there is no end to some aspects of his idiocy but he's certainly NOT worried about talking to the public.
May, however is clearly desperate to fight the election from inside a hermetically sealed bubble. Bad for democracy.
So did "Strong and Stable" pull the trigger because of a Teenage twitterstorm?
Seems like it.
She is frit.
Why would dismissing a candidate who allegedly had made homosexual comments be frit
I imagine there are quite a few Conservative MP's who would have no desire whatsoever to attend Gay Pride marches.
I suspect that holds true for quite a substantial proportion of the population of the UK, but not quite as large a proportion of the population of Saudi Arabia.
A far larger proportion of Saudi Arabian men would think nothing of walking around holding hands with a male friend.
I still don't think they'd go to a gay pride parade.
So did "Strong and Stable" pull the trigger because of a Teenage twitterstorm?
Seems like it.
She is frit.
Why would dismissing a candidate who allegedly had made homosexual comments be frit
Frit of Twitter. Just as she dropped Hammond in a trice after the NI in the budget.
A jellyfish has more spine.
Or a PM acting like a PM who didn't want it hanging over a snap election.....
I think that we progressives have few more battles to fight when a Tory PM ditches a candidate within hours of a comment that he doesn't like homosexuals.
Our values rule, socially conservatives suck it up.
I am certain that Theresa May will continue, at every moment, to ask for the vote for her, looking down the camera lens, pointing out that any other vote may end up with Prime Minister Corbyn. The visual effect of Prime Minister Corbyn will see huge numbers of votes for her.
Nobody in their right mind sees a prospect of PM Corbyn. The prospect of a one party state is much more scarily real.
The prospect of a one-party state will recede once Labour members stop being wankers and appoint someone the general public could vaguely consider voting for.
So did "Strong and Stable" pull the trigger because of a Teenage twitterstorm?
Seems like it.
She is frit.
Why would dismissing a candidate who allegedly had made homosexual comments be frit
I imagine there are quite a few Conservative MP's who would have no desire whatsoever to attend Gay Pride marches.
I suspect that holds true for quite a substantial proportion of the population of the UK, but not quite as large a proportion of the population of Saudi Arabia.
A far larger proportion of Saudi Arabian men would think nothing of walking around holding hands with a male friend.
I still don't think they'd go to a gay pride parade.
So did "Strong and Stable" pull the trigger because of a Teenage twitterstorm?
Seems like it.
She is frit.
Why would dismissing a candidate who allegedly had made homosexual comments be frit
I imagine there are quite a few Conservative MP's who would have no desire whatsoever to attend Gay Pride marches.
So say that, don't follow it up with calling homosexuals a "danger to society" or "wrong".
There's a million and one ways of making excuses not to attend a march. Anyone in this day and age stupid enough to think calling innocent voters a "danger to society" during an election campaign is a good idea deserves to be dropped PDQ.
Didn't you object to Clinton calling voters "deplorables"? Why is that wrong but calling people a "danger to society" perfectly OK?
So did "Strong and Stable" pull the trigger because of a Teenage twitterstorm?
Seems like it.
She is frit.
Why would dismissing a candidate who allegedly had made homosexual comments be frit
Frit of Twitter. Just as she dropped Hammond in a trice after the NI in the budget.
A jellyfish has more spine.
Nah, he clearly made homophobic comments and has been dealt with swiftly and correctly. I won't be voting Tory but it is good to see crap like this being dealt with in the manner it should be. Well done CCHQ. Every party has their muppets.
So did "Strong and Stable" pull the trigger because of a Teenage twitterstorm?
Seems like it.
She is frit.
Why would dismissing a candidate who allegedly had made homosexual comments be frit
Apparently everything she does is frit. She stands up, she's frit. She calls an election, she's frit... etc.
Avoiding any exposure to real non tame voters certainly fits the description.
Very Jeremy Corbyn
You're just bullshitting now G. You can accuse Corbyn of many things and Jesus, I'd be first to agree there is no end to some aspects of his idiocy but he's certainly NOT worried about talking to the public.
May, however is clearly desperate to fight the election from inside a hermetically sealed bubble. Bad for democracy.
Are you for real - he is in tightly controlled meetings, only calls on labour supporters doors, and keeps away from his MP's constituencies
So did "Strong and Stable" pull the trigger because of a Teenage twitterstorm?
Seems like it.
She is frit.
Why would dismissing a candidate who allegedly had made homosexual comments be frit
Frit of Twitter. Just as she dropped Hammond in a trice after the NI in the budget.
A jellyfish has more spine.
Or a PM acting like a PM who didn't want it hanging over a snap election.....
I think that we progressives have few more battles to fight when a Tory PM ditches a candidate within hours of a comment that he doesn't like homosexuals.
Our values rule, socially conservatives suck it up.
Agreed you can pack up your bags and go home, no more need to be involve with politics anymore congratulations
I am certain that Theresa May will continue, at every moment, to ask for the vote for her, looking down the camera lens, pointing out that any other vote may end up with Prime Minister Corbyn. The visual effect of Prime Minister Corbyn will see huge numbers of votes for her.
Nobody in their right mind sees a prospect of PM Corbyn. The prospect of a one party state is much more scarily real.
Well then, one of the opposition parties should actually offer a program that people would vote for.
I will risk a large conservative majority, literally ANYTHING other than Corbyn.
Just for a moment imagine Labour, the Greens and the SNP in charge.
The stuff of nightmares - The Lib Dems might be able to introduce some sanity - but I'm not prepared to bet on it.
So did "Strong and Stable" pull the trigger because of a Teenage twitterstorm?
Seems like it.
She is frit.
Why would dismissing a candidate who allegedly had made homosexual comments be frit
I imagine there are quite a few Conservative MP's who would have no desire whatsoever to attend Gay Pride marches.
I suspect that holds true for quite a substantial proportion of the population of the UK, but not quite as large a proportion of the population of Saudi Arabia.
A far larger proportion of Saudi Arabian men would think nothing of walking around holding hands with a male friend.
Is that what a Gay Pride march is? I thought they were just kind of Arab chums.
The last time an Isle of Wight Tory MP was forced to resign in strange circumstances the beneficiaries were the Liberals, who famously came from no-where to win the seat. When a journo phoned up Cowley Street (or whatever it was called in those days) for a comment, the Spokesman denied having won it because it was so improbable.
The Tory MP did not resign . Mark Woodnutt was defeated by Stephen Ross in February 1974.
You're right, my mistake, sorry. However, I am sure we can agree that the Liberal did win it because of the Bembridge Harbour scandal.
So did "Strong and Stable" pull the trigger because of a Teenage twitterstorm?
Seems like it.
She is frit.
Why would dismissing a candidate who allegedly had made homosexual comments be frit
Frit of Twitter. Just as she dropped Hammond in a trice after the NI in the budget.
A jellyfish has more spine.
Yes, well we PB Tories wish our party was led by a spaniel-sniffing hammer-of-the-gays Thunderbirds puppet with an unpleasant accent, but as your lot snapped him up we will just have to soldier on with what we've got. June 8th will show us the precise extent of our loss.
I'm just at the end of a meal in a Michelin starred restaurant in France. And it's been terrific.
Reports of the death of French cuisine (from SeanT) have been exaggerated.
It is important to remember that Sean T is a professional writer of fiction. I have long suspected that his postings on PB.com about his exotic lifestyle are a similar work of fiction, and that in reality he lives in a bedsit in Neasden, existing on a diet of pot noodle and Subways.
You have a way of verifying that.
I am in (allegedly) a posh hotel in the Loire Valley, the Cheteau de Norieux. Very nice Michelin star restaurant - with a splendid Italian chef who said his favourite city in the world is London. Good man.
Anyway after this dinner, where I discussed everything from Brexit to sex with my French acquaintance, I walked out, through the lounge, and saw a distinctive looking Englishman sitting on the sofa with a quite MILFy woman. I thought - I recognise him.
So being a bit drunk I walked up and said hello and said Aren't you a politician. And he rose - quite an imposing man - gave me the hardest handshake in history, and said Yes I'm Stephen Dorrell I was a minister in John Major's government. I smiled warmly and said I was a journo from the Times, he said he'd been discussing Brexit like us, and then.... I left it at that. I was SO tempted to have a massive row with THE arch-Remoaner.
But I resisted. Admire my restraint. It would have been deliciously entertaining,
Of course I could be lying and I've invented all this from a bungalow in Solihull. Hmmm.
So did "Strong and Stable" pull the trigger because of a Teenage twitterstorm?
Seems like it.
She is frit.
Why would dismissing a candidate who allegedly had made homosexual comments be frit
I imagine there are quite a few Conservative MP's who would have no desire whatsoever to attend Gay Pride marches.
So say that, don't follow it up with calling homosexuals a "danger to society" or "wrong".
There's a million and one ways of making excuses not to attend a march. Anyone in this day and age stupid enough to think calling innocent voters a "danger to society" during an election campaign is a good idea deserves to be dropped PDQ.
Didn't you object to Clinton calling voters "deplorables"? Why is that wrong but calling people a "danger to society" perfectly OK?
I thought Clinton's comments were foolish, because they undermined her chances of being elected. I don't think there was any moral issue about them.
So did "Strong and Stable" pull the trigger because of a Teenage twitterstorm?
Seems like it.
She is frit.
Why would dismissing a candidate who allegedly had made homosexual comments be frit
Apparently everything she does is frit. She stands up, she's frit. She calls an election, she's frit... etc.
Avoiding any exposure to real non tame voters certainly fits the description.
Very Jeremy Corbyn
You're just bullshitting now G. You can accuse Corbyn of many things and Jesus, I'd be first to agree there is no end to some aspects of his idiocy but he's certainly NOT worried about talking to the public.
May, however is clearly desperate to fight the election from inside a hermetically sealed bubble. Bad for democracy.
I think May feels that she can do no better than let Corbyn do her talking for her.
Comments
John Mann was walking along Queen Street yesterday (Wednesday, April 26) when he saw the two women fighting while a large crowd watched on.
The Labour MP said someone in the crowd shouted, “That’s John Mann” as he stepped in between the women and “separated boot from head.”"
http://www.gainsboroughstandard.co.uk/news/that-s-john-mann-mp-breaks-up-bloody-street-brawl-in-worksop-town-centre-1-8515947
The thing that puzzled me is he had been to Oxbridge, how could he be so unaware of what homosexuals do? Unless he was joking but I do not think he had a sense of humour then or now!
It was obvious the IOW MP was going to be pushed the second it was reported as that sort of comment in future years will become a hate crime no doubt, if it isn't already.
EDIT: Even Remainy areas have a significant UKIP vote to plunder.
Scandinavia and Spain, at least, are funded like ours from general taxation or in Sweden and Finland more from local taxation. Mostly free at the point of use, like ours.
Canada - similar.
South Korea - apparently similar to ours (well, until the North invades...)
All come up against limited resources, but they're less limited in say Canada than they are here because it spends over 10% of GDP and that's more than we do.
Thatcher was no friend of the NHS and wanted to privatise it US-style but after being partly dissuaded - and only getting an internal market - the outcome was that the UK spent 4% more per year than the year before (in real terms).
http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m4jbuk8Bes1rwkg8yo1_500.gif
Macron 59%
Le Pen 41%
http://www.bva.fr/data/sondage/sondage_fiche/1982/fichier_intentions_de_vote_-_vague_20_-_pop2017_-_28_avril_2017_-_presentation886c1.pdf
I suspect you are right.
http://www.bva.fr/data/sondage/sondage_fiche/1982/fichier_intentions_de_vote_-_vague_20_-_pop2017_-_28_avril_2017_-_presentation886c1.pdf
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/04/28/yanis-varoufakis-brexit-advice-theresa-may-avoid-negotiating/
The thing that puzzled me is he had been to Oxbridge, how could he be so unaware of what homosexuals do? Unless he was joking but I do not think he had a sense of humour then or now!
It was obvious the IOW MP was going to be pushed the second it was reported as that sort of comment in future years will become a hate crime no doubt, if it isn't already.
Well ... I went to Oxbridge, and before that to a *very* traditional single-sex public school, but I had to have the Julian Clary Norman Lamont joke explained to me.
https://twitter.com/GlasgowWarriors/status/858054134137794560
Allowing no holds barred health tourism - go to another country get treated, home country is forced to pay the bill... would have blown a big hole in everybody's budget calculations...
A jellyfish has more spine.
I had thought about voting LD but on balance decided despite Brexit I would vote Tory in this GE. I voted Remain last year and have spoken to others who did likewise. My feeling is Remain voters, the ones I speak with still think Brexit is wrong but we have to make the best of it - its a case of no turning back now. I am afraid we would be the weak man of the EU if we tried retracting it all. They would screw us for more and more money. Cameron was never going to get some brilliant deal, you are either a member on similar terms to other countries or your country is not. So PM May gets my vote to finish the job - If she screws it up I will be going else where with my vote.
In the case of obvious fascism I have no complaint, but it is used too loosely by many
And I think you reflect a huge number of voters and it is why I cannot see anything other than a substantial Theresa May majority
May, however is clearly desperate to fight the election from inside a hermetically sealed bubble. Bad for democracy.
Exciting... she's so exciting to me.. .
She's FRIT she's so FRIT
Exciting!!
She's so inviting.... to voters who couldn't have Dave!
Our values rule, socially conservatives suck it up.
The prospect of a one-party state will recede once Labour members stop being wankers and appoint someone the general public could vaguely consider voting for.
There's a million and one ways of making excuses not to attend a march. Anyone in this day and age stupid enough to think calling innocent voters a "danger to society" during an election campaign is a good idea deserves to be dropped PDQ.
Didn't you object to Clinton calling voters "deplorables"? Why is that wrong but calling people a "danger to society" perfectly OK?
Well done CCHQ.
Every party has their muppets.
I will risk a large conservative majority, literally ANYTHING other than Corbyn.
Just for a moment imagine Labour, the Greens and the SNP in charge.
The stuff of nightmares - The Lib Dems might be able to introduce some sanity - but I'm not prepared to bet on it.
What's your take on that one
It is horrific and no doubt he will be going down for a long sentence.
And how many millions will be paid, rightly, to his victims