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    Y0kelY0kel Posts: 2,307
    Macron LePen.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,458
    edited April 2017
    French Exit Poll

    Macron 23%
    Le Pen 23%
    Fillon 19%
    Melenchon 19%
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    MTimTMTimT Posts: 7,034

    rcs1000 said:

    Roger said:

    Interesting but I'd add in Withington. No one seems to fancy them but they only lost the seat in 2015 because of their dirty deal with the Tories and as that's now forgotten and Corbyn is disliked and the previous popular MP is standing again and it's strongly Remain I think the chances are much better than the basic necessary swing suggests.

    That's not impossible but, as with Hornsey & Wood Green, we're into the territory of guessing whether or not ennui with Corbyn and the EU referendum result are enough for the Lib Dems - who are still polling at half their 2010 strength nationally - to overturn vast Labour majorities in inner city seats where they might otherwise remain strong.

    Labour start in that constituency with an absolute majority of all votes cast, the national swings from Lab to LD are significant but not huge, and the also-ran vote is largely Tory and Ukip. I don't rate the Lib Dems' chances that highly.
    I'm guessing you don't think they'll win Vauxhall either :-)
    If Kate Hoey gets turfed out I'll eat my hat*


    (*A tasty biscuit hat, baked lovingly with my own fair hands. But my hat, nonetheless.)
    A long time ago (at least 30 years) I read that the expression "I'll eat my hat if ..." originally came from the Netherlands, where hatte was a milky preparation fed to kids as a tonic to ensure healthy growth but which was unpleasant to taste. Hence kids would say to mothers or nannies, 'I'll eat my hatte if I get to do/eat x'

    Never seen that explanation elsewhere since and have long since misplaced the book I read it in - can't even remember the title, but it was on the origins of English.

    I prefer it to any other explanation I have read elsewhere, regardless of veracity.
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    nunununu Posts: 6,024
    le pen and macron into second round.
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 92,578
    So, with a very accurate sampling method, no way Macron isn't in top two, presidency decided. That result for the Socialists though, oof, it's embarrassing.
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    edited April 2017
    nunu said:

    le pen and macron into second round.

    2.2 point gap between Le Pen and the other two. Probably too large for any errors in the sample.
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,772
    edited April 2017
    nunu said:

    le pen and macron into second round.

    Macron nailed on then in round 2.
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    alex.alex. Posts: 4,658
    France 24 Macron 23.7, Le Pen 21.7 others 19.5
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    Y0kelY0kel Posts: 2,307
    Guys the official prediction poll has gone Macron 23 and a bit, Le Pen 21.7.
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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 50,230

    Conservatives.. largest party.

    316 seats.

    That was two years ago. And they were 15 seats out!
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    chestnutchestnut Posts: 7,341
    Macron 23.7 Le Pen 21.7
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    RobD said:

    Anyone got a good website for live results (map, figures etc.)

    Good question.
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    PongPong Posts: 4,693
    French polling was pretty good, all in all.
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    RobDRobD Posts: 59,110

    Conservatives.. largest party.

    316 seats.

    BONG.
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Macron 23.7
    Le Pen 21.7
    Fillon 19.5
    Melechon 19.5
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    Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,820
    AndyJS said:

    nunu said:

    le pen and macron into second round.

    2.2 point gap between Le Pen and the other two. Probably too large for any errors in the sample.
    Yep. Game over. Macron can't lose against Le Pen in the second round.
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    NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,382
    The exit poll certainly very close to the earlier polls. A tiny reservation that we still haven't got any counted votes. But the margins look convincing.Interesting that the ISIS attack doesn't seem to have given Le Pen a boost.
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 54,409
    AndyJS said:

    Macron 23.7
    Le Pen 21.7
    Fillon 19.5
    Melechon 19.5

    Emmanuel Macron is the next President of France.
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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 50,230
    Macron backable at 1.19 for the Presidency on Betfair.
    https://www.betfair.com/exchange/politics/event/28010557/market?marketId=1.117179983
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 54,409

    The exit poll certainly very close to the earlier polls. A tiny reservation that we still haven't got any counted votes. But the margins look convincing.Interesting that the ISIS attack doesn't seem to have given Le Pen a boost.

    They are counted votes! See Guardian live blog for details.
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,065
    Well, I'll still be ahead, but I wish Le Pen had been knocked out. With under 20% of the vote.

    Ah well. Still my first ever leadership/presidential market where I'm ahead.
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    SimonStClareSimonStClare Posts: 7,976
    edited April 2017
    BBC: Centrist Emmanuel Macron and far-right leader Marine Le Pen to contest French run-off, projected results say.
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    Blue_rogBlue_rog Posts: 2,019
    Will PP pay out on Macron early?
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    AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    kle4 said:

    kle4 said:

    If Macron looks to be well ahead according to the official exit poll, I won't bother following matters - it doesn't seem like it will matter how everything else shakes out if that is true, so it'd be dull.

    Just waiting on that Welsh polling - with the Scottish stuff setting the stage for huuuge expectations for the Tories, if it shows anything less than a sizable Tory majority in Wales (seats), that'd be a let down. ;)

    You've got another 24 hours before that Welsh poll comes out
    It's not early Monday? Lame.
    Just bet on Con gains now and you'll be in profit by tomorrow.
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    I guess that there is slightly more chance of error in France than previously, as their choice of which polling stations to sample is based on past elections, and this one is really quite different in terms of the parties in contention.

    However, it does look as if it's broadly bearing out the polling and Macron and Le Pen are actually relatively comfortably through.
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    AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670

    le pen macron!! 23 each!

    Balls.
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    HYUFD said:

    French Exit Poll

    Macron 23%
    Le Pen 23%
    Fillon 19%
    Melenchon 19%

    To be pedantic, it's not really an exit poll, it's based on actual vote counts in selected areas that are calculated to be representative.
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    Y0kelY0kel Posts: 2,307

    The exit poll certainly very close to the earlier polls. A tiny reservation that we still haven't got any counted votes. But the margins look convincing.Interesting that the ISIS attack doesn't seem to have given Le Pen a boost.

    Nick that official poll is a sample of actual votes. Bound to be some margin of error but you'd assume they've got a decent sampling
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    TheWhiteRabbitTheWhiteRabbit Posts: 12,388
    Phew.

    Looks like my book will come out at £25 or £50 which is useful considering it was underwater for most of the campaign.
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    End of the two party system in France.
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    FregglesFreggles Posts: 3,486

    On my Twitter list about politics:
    https://twitter.com/election_data/status/856169359613493248

    For those interested, Sportsbook (Betfair) has Lib Dems at 51. Greens, also reportedly standing, are 501.

    Could Corbyn be thrown out by the electorate?

    Labour had a very strong result there last time.

    Edited extra bit: ahem, the 'interesting' tweet is this:
    https://twitter.com/jimmy_wales/status/855848834454482945

    That would be amazing
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 92,578
    Now just a question of how well Le Pen might manage. Presumably much better than her dad's 17%, so time to improve on that for when Le Pen III has a go. Though having stumbled from topping the first round as long expected, perhaps it won't be as good a runner up as she'd like.
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    AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    Y0kel said:

    Guys the official prediction poll has gone Macron 23 and a bit, Le Pen 21.7.

    Happy dance
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    NEW THREAD

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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,458
    AndyJS said:

    HYUFD said:

    French Exit Poll

    Macron 23%
    Le Pen 23%
    Fillon 19%
    Melenchon 19%

    To be pedantic, it's not really an exit poll, it's based on actual vote counts in selected areas that are calculated to be representative.
    With barely 1% it pretty much is a first wave exit poll and it least in sampling is what Curtice tries to do even if you have to wait a little longer for the actual votes to be counted
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    stjohnstjohn Posts: 1,781
    Alistair said:

    le pen macron!! 23 each!

    Balls.
    Is he standing?
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    NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,382
    rcs1000 said:

    The exit poll certainly very close to the earlier polls. A tiny reservation that we still haven't got any counted votes. But the margins look convincing.Interesting that the ISIS attack doesn't seem to have given Le Pen a boost.

    They are counted votes! See Guardian live blog for details.
    Ah, I see - thanks. But are these various estimates coming out all exit polls?
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    peter_from_putneypeter_from_putney Posts: 6,875
    edited April 2017
    Ahead of an avalanche of constituency odds likely to appear over the next 48 hours (including those from the somewhat laid back it has to be said Shadsy), could someone please produce a list of Labour seats with a 5,000 - 10,000 majority with the Tories in second place. If there are gems to be found, it's probably within that parameter.
    Although I suggested Margaret Beckett as a credible candidate to become the next Speaker, her 8.8k majority in low turnout Derby South appears to be at risk with the Tories also set to grab a good share of the 10% UKIP vote in 2015. Last time I looked Betfair Sportsbook's odds were 11/2.

    DYOR
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    dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 28,219
    Whatever your opinion of Macron, you've got to say "Chapeau". He has won as an independent. Remarkable achievement!
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    SquareRootSquareRoot Posts: 7,095
    New thread
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    Freggles said:

    On my Twitter list about politics:
    https://twitter.com/election_data/status/856169359613493248

    For those interested, Sportsbook (Betfair) has Lib Dems at 51. Greens, also reportedly standing, are 501.

    Could Corbyn be thrown out by the electorate?

    Labour had a very strong result there last time.

    Edited extra bit: ahem, the 'interesting' tweet is this:
    https://twitter.com/jimmy_wales/status/855848834454482945

    That would be amazing
    Nominations don't close for weeks yet! I reckon that Jezza will be up against at least a dozen candidates! Mrs May likewise.
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    stjohnstjohn Posts: 1,781

    Ahead of an avalanche of constituency odds likely to appear over the next 48 hours (including those from the somewhat laid back it has to be said Shadsy), could someone please produce a list of Labour seats with a 5,000 - 10,000 majority with the Tories in second place. If there are gems to be found, it's probably within that parameter.
    Although I suggested Margaret Beckett as a credible candidate to become the next Speaker, her 8.8k majority in low turnout Derby South appears to be at risk with the Tories also set to grab a good share of the 10% UKIP vote in 2015.

    DYOR

    Peter. Yes. I can do this for you.

    Can we agree an hourly rate for the work and I'll crack on ....
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    CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    rcs1000 said:

    AndyJS said:

    Macron 23.7
    Le Pen 21.7
    Fillon 19.5
    Melechon 19.5

    Emmanuel Macron is the next President of France.
    Good. He's extremely close to a good friend of mine :smiley:
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395

    Ahead of an avalanche of constituency odds likely to appear over the next 48 hours (including those from the somewhat laid back it has to be said Shadsy), could someone please produce a list of Labour seats with a 5,000 - 10,000 majority with the Tories in second place. If there are gems to be found, it's probably within that parameter.
    Although I suggested Margaret Beckett as a credible candidate to become the next Speaker, her 8.8k majority in low turnout Derby South appears to be at risk with the Tories also set to grab a good share of the 10% UKIP vote in 2015.

    DYOR

    http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/2015guide/labour-defence/
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    BigRichBigRich Posts: 3,489
    MTimT said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Roger said:

    Interesting but I'd add in Withington. No one seems to fancy them but they only lost the seat in 2015 because of their dirty deal with the Tories and as that's now forgotten and Corbyn is disliked and the previous popular MP is standing again and it's strongly Remain I think the chances are much better than the basic necessary swing suggests.

    That's not impossible but, as with Hornsey & Wood Green, we're into the territory of guessing whether or not ennui with Corbyn and the EU referendum result are enough for the Lib Dems - who are still polling at half their 2010 strength nationally - to overturn vast Labour majorities in inner city seats where they might otherwise remain strong.

    Labour start in that constituency with an absolute majority of all votes cast, the national swings from Lab to LD are significant but not huge, and the also-ran vote is largely Tory and Ukip. I don't rate the Lib Dems' chances that highly.
    I'm guessing you don't think they'll win Vauxhall either :-)
    If Kate Hoey gets turfed out I'll eat my hat*


    (*A tasty biscuit hat, baked lovingly with my own fair hands. But my hat, nonetheless.)
    A long time ago (at least 30 years) I read that the expression "I'll eat my hat if ..." originally came from the Netherlands, where hatte was a milky preparation fed to kids as a tonic to ensure healthy growth but which was unpleasant to taste. Hence kids would say to mothers or nannies, 'I'll eat my hatte if I get to do/eat x'

    Never seen that explanation elsewhere since and have long since misplaced the book I read it in - can't even remember the title, but it was on the origins of English.

    I prefer it to any other explanation I have read elsewhere, regardless of veracity.

    I haven't hear that particular explanation before, but while dating a Dutch Girl for 2 years I realised that there are a lot of English words and expressions with Dutch backgrounds, that have come into the English lagwage, sometimes with a lot of distortion, so I could well believe the 'eat my hat' story.
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    BalrogBalrog Posts: 207
    So what is the downside to putting a chunk of money on Macron now at 1.15 or whatever? When is the 2nd round - terrorist activities or something coming out about Macron? and how does the probability of that compare with the odds? Or are there better things on the UK election rather than french leadership?
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    stjohn said:

    Ahead of an avalanche of constituency odds likely to appear over the next 48 hours (including those from the somewhat laid back it has to be said Shadsy), could someone please produce a list of Labour seats with a 5,000 - 10,000 majority with the Tories in second place. If there are gems to be found, it's probably within that parameter.
    Although I suggested Margaret Beckett as a credible candidate to become the next Speaker, her 8.8k majority in low turnout Derby South appears to be at risk with the Tories also set to grab a good share of the 10% UKIP vote in 2015.

    DYOR

    Peter. Yes. I can do this for you.

    Can we agree an hourly rate for the work and I'll crack on ....
    Thanks for your very generous offer stjohn, but as you'll see upthread AndyJS has already provided this for free!
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    AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    Sandpit said:
    Wut? What is it with free money at the moment?
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    AndyJS said:

    Ahead of an avalanche of constituency odds likely to appear over the next 48 hours (including those from the somewhat laid back it has to be said Shadsy), could someone please produce a list of Labour seats with a 5,000 - 10,000 majority with the Tories in second place. If there are gems to be found, it's probably within that parameter.
    Although I suggested Margaret Beckett as a credible candidate to become the next Speaker, her 8.8k majority in low turnout Derby South appears to be at risk with the Tories also set to grab a good share of the 10% UKIP vote in 2015.

    DYOR

    http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/2015guide/labour-defence/
    Many thanks Andy .... what an obliging fellow you are.
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395

    AndyJS said:

    Ahead of an avalanche of constituency odds likely to appear over the next 48 hours (including those from the somewhat laid back it has to be said Shadsy), could someone please produce a list of Labour seats with a 5,000 - 10,000 majority with the Tories in second place. If there are gems to be found, it's probably within that parameter.
    Although I suggested Margaret Beckett as a credible candidate to become the next Speaker, her 8.8k majority in low turnout Derby South appears to be at risk with the Tories also set to grab a good share of the 10% UKIP vote in 2015.

    DYOR

    http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/2015guide/labour-defence/
    Many thanks Andy .... what an obliging fellow you are.
    I might do a more comprehensive one which includes all Labour seats.
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    stjohn said:

    Ahead of an avalanche of constituency odds likely to appear over the next 48 hours (including those from the somewhat laid back it has to be said Shadsy), could someone please produce a list of Labour seats with a 5,000 - 10,000 majority with the Tories in second place. If there are gems to be found, it's probably within that parameter.
    Although I suggested Margaret Beckett as a credible candidate to become the next Speaker, her 8.8k majority in low turnout Derby South appears to be at risk with the Tories also set to grab a good share of the 10% UKIP vote in 2015.

    DYOR

    Peter. Yes. I can do this for you.

    Can we agree an hourly rate for the work and I'll crack on ....
    Thanks for your very generous offer stjohn, but as you'll see upthread AndyJS has already provided this for free!
    Sad to see an honest craftsman undercut on price like that. I blame Globalisation.
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    CyanCyan Posts: 1,262
    Hamon says vote for Macron. Wauquiez, member of the Republicans, keeps his counsel.
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    CyanCyan Posts: 1,262
    edited April 2017
    (moved to new thread)
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    FregglesFreggles Posts: 3,486
    Macron, il a l'air un peu Cleggois, n'est-ce pas?
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    stjohnstjohn Posts: 1,781

    stjohn said:

    Ahead of an avalanche of constituency odds likely to appear over the next 48 hours (including those from the somewhat laid back it has to be said Shadsy), could someone please produce a list of Labour seats with a 5,000 - 10,000 majority with the Tories in second place. If there are gems to be found, it's probably within that parameter.
    Although I suggested Margaret Beckett as a credible candidate to become the next Speaker, her 8.8k majority in low turnout Derby South appears to be at risk with the Tories also set to grab a good share of the 10% UKIP vote in 2015.

    DYOR

    Peter. Yes. I can do this for you.

    Can we agree an hourly rate for the work and I'll crack on ....
    Thanks for your very generous offer stjohn, but as you'll see upthread AndyJS has already provided this for free!
    Sad to see an honest craftsman undercut on price like that. I blame Globalisation.
    :-)
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    ProdicusProdicus Posts: 658
    FPT because my timing's awful.



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