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    Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,820
    So, to be clear, the Fixed Term Parliament Act removes the power of the PM to call a snap election, right?
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,092

    She is a politician. She will replace it with something she can sell to pensioners.

    Perhaps she could offer a free Parker pen with the manifesto.
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    edited April 2017
    East Lothian looks interesting to me. The result in 2015 was SNP 42.5%, Lab 31.0%, Con 19.5%. If you apply the latest Scottish opinion polls you get something like SNP 39%, Con 32%, Lab 21%. Tories within striking distance.
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    Tissue_PriceTissue_Price Posts: 9,039

    dr_spyn said:
    Why am I not surprised Dennis Skinner is on that list?
    Lewis?! Weird choice from him.
    He is supposed to be getting married...
    That's no reason to vote against, is it? I simply can't see why he's given his many opponents a stick to beat him with.
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,983

    So, to be clear, the Fixed Term Parliament Act removes the power of the PM to call a snap election, right?

    titters...
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    SimonStClareSimonStClare Posts: 7,976
    AndyJS said:

    Clive Lewis the most high profile MP to vote against.

    Perhaps he didn’t want his wedding and honeymoon plans derailed...
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,935

    So, to be clear, the Fixed Term Parliament Act removes the power of the PM to call a snap election, right?

    Well it had to go through parliament, like the Brexit vote.

    I think it removes the De Jure, but not the De Facto power. A distinction I missed in my betting...
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    Tissue_PriceTissue_Price Posts: 9,039

    So, to be clear, the Fixed Term Parliament Act removes the power of the PM to call a snap election, right?

    Well, we were told this repeatedly in thread headers.
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,983

    dr_spyn said:
    Why am I not surprised Dennis Skinner is on that list?
    Lewis?! Weird choice from him.
    He is supposed to be getting married...
    Oh, it's not convenient for him? Where's my world's smallest violin?
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    IanB2IanB2 Posts: 47,308
    edited April 2017
    Alistair said:

    IanB2 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Alistair said:

    Patrick said:
    BRS, Edinbugh West, Fife NE. After that I'd need to check my spreadsheets.
    East Dunbartonshire, East Ren are the next most vulnerable. John Nicolson has been quite high profile, would be interesting to see if Jo Swinson fancies another go at her old constituency.

    The Scottish Parliament seats that make up East Dumbartonshire have not shown (big) moves to the LDs. Jo Swinson also saw her vote hold up remarkably well in 2015.

    I suspect that the LDs will fall back in East Dumbartonshire in June. My view; comfortable SNP hold.
    Im pretty sure Jo Swinson wants her seat back and will be the Lib Dem candidate
    Everyone I know who's met Jo has been extremely impressed with her. But. I simply don't see the LibDem strength in East Dumbartonshire. My guess is that Jo will end up in the low 30s, against 40 odd for the SNP.
    It'll be an interesting contest, for sure. The seat was first out of 650 for highest turnout in 2015, which shows the ground game both LDs and Nats played last time. As a straight re-match between the two of them, the 20% of the vote that the Tories and Labour got between them is surely going to come under pressure, which will work in Jo's favour.
    But the Tories are surging - they got 15.5% in 2010 and 16.5% in 2005. They clearly leant their vote to LD as anti-SNP tactical votes. Are they really going to want to miss out on the glorious Scon revolution?
    Who would ever have bet on Dumbarton East having the highest turnout of any UK seat? Discount the ground game at your peril.

    Besides, SNP activists have tons of seats to defend. Scotland's growing LD membership won't be taking the ferry to O&S; where else are they going to go?
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    rkrkrkrkrkrk Posts: 7,908
    Tories to gain net 8 seats is 1.29 on betfair... Surprised - thought the market would be more bullish at their chances?
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    JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 39,048

    stjohn said:

    Well I've just acted to ensure Ed Balls will shortly announce he is not standing in the General Election. I've backed him to be next Labour leader at 100/1.

    The biggest hurdle for this bet to deliver is, of course, him deciding to stand. But if he does I think the bet has a great chance of delivering. If he secures a reasonable seat he should win it. Labour are going to do badly and Corbyn, at last, will be forced out. Balls would then be the most serious candidate for the Labour leadership and would be untainted by "disloyalty" to Corbyn.

    Go on Ed!

    LABOUR: DRAFT BALLS.

    I can't work out whether he's a broken reed, or a man with a plan who's waiting for the right time.

    If I had to guess, I'd say the latter, but his confidence has been shattered by losing his seat two years ago, and he's probably trying to support Yvette's ambitions.

    He needs a prod.
    He was in parliament for ten years, and in politics for twenty-one. He's fifty now.

    Perhaps the wider opportunities outside parliament have become clear to him in the last couple of years. What would coming back offer him? He'll have to try and raise the Labour party from its present moribund state to a winning party again, and do so without much of the party apparatus he wielded with Brown's influence.

    Would he really want that? It's a heck of a load of hassle, and a serious gamble. If he wins then he'll be a hero of the left; if he fails then he furthers Labour's decline and writes another inglorious footnote into its history.

    Blair was 40 when he became opposition leader, and 44 when he became PM. Cameron was 39 when he became LOTO and 44 when he became PM (from memory, might be wrong). The next Labour PM will be from a similar age range IMO, and might not yet even be in parliament. That's how far they've descended.
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395

    So farewell then, Fixed-term Parliaments Act 2011. You will be sorely missed.

    Not.

    It needs to be three or four years IMO. Australia holds elections every three years.
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    Tissue_PriceTissue_Price Posts: 9,039
    AndyJS said:

    East Lothian looks interesting to me. The result in 2015 was SNP 42.5%, Lab 31.0%, Con 19.5%. If you apply the latest Scottish opinion polls you get something like SNP 39%, Con 32%, Lab 21%. Tories within striking distance.

    Yes, the Nats were only 8/15 to gain that (from Lab) in the first place. There are plenty of 3rd place gains possible for the Tories - but can they unravel the vote?
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    AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    Pulpstar said:

    IanB2 said:

    IanB2 said:

    Patrick said:
    Small wonder that Laddies have chopped their LibDem 30 - 39 seat band odds back from 8/1 to 9/2. Might be worth a bit of insurance at 12/1 on their 40 - 49 seat band, but then again perhaps not.

    Btw Hills are offering odds of 10/11 either way on the GE turnout being over or under 63%. Any thoughts anyone?
    Betfair's "LibDem 19 seats or more" at 1.29 looks like good value.
    Really? I've stuck another £100 there if you want it (it wasn't my money originally).
    I have taken half of it; I had a reasonable position already.
    Off to a decent start with the various wacky races lines on this one.

    0-18 +113.63
    19-30 +4.63
    30-35 +244.63
    36 +224.59
    37-39 +104.64
    40-49 +29.64
    50+ -135.36
    It's situations like this where an aggregation service that automatically placed bets at the various bookmakers to even out all the different markets without you having to do the maths would be useful.
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    brokenwheelbrokenwheel Posts: 3,352
    RobD said:

    dr_spyn said:
    Why am I not surprised Dennis Skinner is on that list?
    Lewis?! Weird choice from him.
    He is supposed to be getting married...
    Oh, it's not convenient for him? Where's my world's smallest violin?
    I didn't say it was a great excuse!
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,935

    dr_spyn said:
    Why am I not surprised Dennis Skinner is on that list?
    Lewis?! Weird choice from him.
    He is supposed to be getting married...
    That's no reason to vote against, is it? I simply can't see why he's given his many opponents a stick to beat him with.
    He could still win, it's a fascinating multiway hand though.
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,092
    AndyJS said:

    So farewell then, Fixed-term Parliaments Act 2011. You will be sorely missed.

    Not.

    It needs to be three or four years IMO. Australia holds elections every three years.
    And they still manage to have PMs with no personal mandate half the time.
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    GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 20,829

    So, to be clear, the Fixed Term Parliament Act removes the power of the PM to call a snap election, right?

    We haven't heard much from OGH since this all blew up yesterday morning...
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    Tissue_PriceTissue_Price Posts: 9,039
    rkrkrk said:

    Tories to gain net 8 seats is 1.29 on betfair... Surprised - thought the market would be more bullish at their chances?

    Well, it makes sense with the Overall Majoirty prices. But then I think those are wrong too.
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    IanB2IanB2 Posts: 47,308

    AndyJS said:

    East Lothian looks interesting to me. The result in 2015 was SNP 42.5%, Lab 31.0%, Con 19.5%. If you apply the latest Scottish opinion polls you get something like SNP 39%, Con 32%, Lab 21%. Tories within striking distance.

    Yes, the Nats were only 8/15 to gain that (from Lab) in the first place. There are plenty of 3rd place gains possible for the Tories - but can they unravel the vote?
    In the current climate I think the STories are going to struggle to win tactical votes from Labour and the LibDems.
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,856

    So, to be clear, the Fixed Term Parliament Act removes the power of the PM to call a snap election, right?

    Yes. She didn't - parliament did. It allows snap elections, flexibility is sensible, but its harder.
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    Chris_AChris_A Posts: 1,237
    edited April 2017
    Where does this notion that Parliament will be dissolved on 3rd May come from? Section 3 (1) of the FTP Act says "The Parliament then in existence dissolves at the beginning of the 17th working day before the polling day for the next parliamentary general election as determined under section 2 (7)". That would be the 15th May
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    david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 17,419

    Patrick said:

    Daily Mail reporting that the £13bn DfiD spend is not going to survive in the Tory manifesto. Yay!

    Triple lock to go too, and pledges on NI and income tax according to the Times this AM.

    May is going all Erdogan. She wants complete authority to sell her pig in a poke.
    I think that's being fiscally sensible.
    It's also politically sensible, looking a long way down the line. As well as giving freedom to manoeuvre to events, she'll also be hoping that the Tories can go into the 2022 election being able to say 'trust us' on the basis of delivery made without the constraints of election pledges.
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    JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 39,048
    Politics has really been going at breakneck speed over the last three years, hasn't it? I wonder what's going to be next after GE 2017?
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    Tissue_PriceTissue_Price Posts: 9,039
    IanB2 said:

    AndyJS said:

    East Lothian looks interesting to me. The result in 2015 was SNP 42.5%, Lab 31.0%, Con 19.5%. If you apply the latest Scottish opinion polls you get something like SNP 39%, Con 32%, Lab 21%. Tories within striking distance.

    Yes, the Nats were only 8/15 to gain that (from Lab) in the first place. There are plenty of 3rd place gains possible for the Tories - but can they unravel the vote?
    In the current climate I think the STories are going to struggle to win tactical votes from Labour and the LibDems.
    It'll be up to Ruth, won't it? The politics of Scotland is trending towards SNP vs Con - that's the logic of the existential question coupled with FPTP.
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,856
    I'd sad Clarke won't make it to the big 50 as an MP now.
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,983
    edited April 2017
    Chris_A said:

    Where does this notion that Parliament will be dissolved on 3rd May come from? Section 3 (1) of the FTP Act says "The Parliament then in existence dissolved at the beginning of the 17th working day before the polling day for the next parliamentary general election as determined under section 2 (7)". That would be the 15th May

    It has since been amended to 25 days by the Electoral Registration and Administration Act 2013
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,092

    Patrick said:

    Daily Mail reporting that the £13bn DfiD spend is not going to survive in the Tory manifesto. Yay!

    Triple lock to go too, and pledges on NI and income tax according to the Times this AM.

    May is going all Erdogan. She wants complete authority to sell her pig in a poke.
    I think that's being fiscally sensible.
    It's also politically sensible, looking a long way down the line.
    I think she's looking a few weeks down the line to the financial negotiations with the EU. Cutting the DfID budget will give her political capital to agree to ongoing budgetary contributions.
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    IanB2IanB2 Posts: 47,308

    So farewell then, Fixed-term Parliaments Act 2011. You will be sorely missed.

    Not.

    Why would we, the people, want to gift any PM the ability to manipulate events, and the timetable, to their own party's political self-interest?

    For all we know the next recession is about to hit in 2018. Then we can all repent at leisure.
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,856
    AndyJS said:
    The Tories should stand against him - they're practically at war anyway, nothing left to lose, then get in a sensible and respect Labour MP as speaker.
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    bobajobPBbobajobPB Posts: 1,042

    Natalie McGarry MP is OK, she's tweeted to say she fainted and paramedics attended to her, has announced pregnancy.

    Her hubby is Glasgow's sole (currently) SCon councillor - love & its fruition across the barricades.
    Not just any councillor, he is Balustrade Lanyard, a social media legend!
    Interesting. Are there any other examples of politicians from opposing parties marrying?
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    GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 20,829
    When are we expecting Mrs M to visit Brenda?
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    grabcocquegrabcocque Posts: 4,234
    Labour

    Ronnie Campbell

    Ann Clwyd

    Paul Farrelly

    Jim Fitzpatrick

    Clive Lewis

    Fional Mactaggart

    Liz McInnes

    Dennis Skinner

    Graham Stringer

    SDLP

    Alasdair McDonnell

    Independent

    Lady Hermon

    Natalie McGarry

    Michelle Thomson
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,983
    IanB2 said:

    So farewell then, Fixed-term Parliaments Act 2011. You will be sorely missed.

    Not.

    Why would we, the people, want to gift any PM the ability to manipulate events, and the timetable, to their own party's political self-interest?

    For all we know the next recession is about to hit in 2018. Then we can all repent at leisure.
    It looks as though the PM retains that power.
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,421
    Regarding the May manifesto, my initial thoughts:

    Emphasis..

    > BREXIT
    > Mental health
    > NHS (money from Brexit)
    > Grammars
    > Home ownership
    > Childcare
    > Union - sweeteners for Scotland/Wales/NI
    > Industrial strategy
    > Education/skills strategy
    > Immigration pledge

    To be mentioned..

    > New deficit plan
    > Social care (elderly)
    > Defence
    > Something on rights/human rights (wild card)

    Long grass..

    > Hunting repeal
    > 40p tax cuts
    > International Aid promise
    > Further inheritance tax cuts
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    Chris_AChris_A Posts: 1,237
    RobD said:

    Chris_A said:

    Where does this notion that Parliament will be dissolved on 3rd May come from? Section 3 (1) of the FTP Act says "The Parliament then in existence dissolved at the beginning of the 17th working day before the polling day for the next parliamentary general election as determined under section 2 (7)". That would be the 15th May

    It has since been amended to 25 days by the Electoral Registration and Administration Act 2013
    Ta. I was looking at the as enacted version.
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    IanB2IanB2 Posts: 47,308

    Patrick said:

    Daily Mail reporting that the £13bn DfiD spend is not going to survive in the Tory manifesto. Yay!

    Triple lock to go too, and pledges on NI and income tax according to the Times this AM.

    May is going all Erdogan. She wants complete authority to sell her pig in a poke.
    I think that's being fiscally sensible.
    It's also politically sensible, looking a long way down the line.
    I think she's looking a few weeks down the line to the financial negotiations with the EU. Cutting the DfID budget will give her political capital to agree to ongoing budgetary contributions.
    Being cynical her best move regarding the DfiD budget is not to promise to stick to the UN target for the manifesto and then to actually stick to it afterwards.
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    edited April 2017
    Edinburgh South: 2015 result — Lab 39%, SNP 34%, Con 17.5%. Applying latest Scottish polls gives something like SNP 31%, Con 30%, Lab 29%. But the SNP are probably not doing as well in this constituency as the average across Scotland.
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    grabcocquegrabcocque Posts: 4,234
    2019 general election on the new boundaries in lieu of a 2nd referendum.
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    philiphphiliph Posts: 4,704
    kle4 said:

    AndyJS said:
    The Tories should stand against him - they're practically at war anyway, nothing left to lose, then get in a sensible and respect Labour MP as speaker.
    Get in a what?

    I thought half the problem was there aren't sensible respected Labour MPs
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,935
    rkrkrk said:

    Tories to gain net 8 seats is 1.29 on betfair... Surprised - thought the market would be more bullish at their chances?

    Tory Majority at 1.18 looks slightly better I think ?
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,983
    Chris_A said:

    RobD said:

    Chris_A said:

    Where does this notion that Parliament will be dissolved on 3rd May come from? Section 3 (1) of the FTP Act says "The Parliament then in existence dissolved at the beginning of the 17th working day before the polling day for the next parliamentary general election as determined under section 2 (7)". That would be the 15th May

    It has since been amended to 25 days by the Electoral Registration and Administration Act 2013
    Ta. I was looking at the as enacted version.
    No problem, I made the same mistake a few weeks ago!
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    IanB2IanB2 Posts: 47,308

    Regarding the May manifesto, my initial thoughts:

    Emphasis..

    > BREXIT
    > Mental health
    > NHS (money from Brexit)
    > Grammars
    > Home ownership
    > Childcare
    > Union - sweeteners for Scotland/Wales/NI
    > Industrial strategy
    > Education/skills strategy
    > Immigration pledge

    To be mentioned..

    > New deficit plan
    > Social care (elderly)
    > Defence
    > Something on rights/human rights (wild card)

    Long grass..

    > Hunting repeal
    > 40p tax cuts
    > International Aid promise
    > Further inheritance tax cuts

    What does 'Home ownership' mean? Osborne's futile attempts to puff up an already inflated market by subsidising people buying in at the bottom will simply make the coming collapse worse.
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,856
    RobD said:

    IanB2 said:

    So farewell then, Fixed-term Parliaments Act 2011. You will be sorely missed.

    Not.

    Why would we, the people, want to gift any PM the ability to manipulate events, and the timetable, to their own party's political self-interest?

    For all we know the next recession is about to hit in 2018. Then we can all repent at leisure.
    It looks as though the PM retains that power.
    It might, but she doesn't. Like Brexit, we might end up doing the same thing, but in a different way. Parliament made the call. At her behest, and the argument is politically it would be hard to say no (but not impossible), but still it was Parliament's call, and I personally find that an important distinction.
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 60,989
    France: Fillon now shorter than Le Pen on Ladbrokes (3.75 against 4.5).

    Wish I'd backed him when he was 20-30, but there we are.
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    Regarding the May manifesto, my initial thoughts:

    Emphasis..

    > BREXIT
    > Mental health
    > NHS (money from Brexit)
    > Grammars
    > Home ownership
    > Childcare
    > Union - sweeteners for Scotland/Wales/NI
    > Industrial strategy
    > Education/skills strategy
    > Immigration pledge

    To be mentioned..

    > New deficit plan
    > Social care (elderly)
    > Defence
    > Something on rights/human rights (wild card)

    Long grass..

    > Hunting repeal
    > 40p tax cuts
    > International Aid promise
    > Further inheritance tax cuts

    Agree with this list but expect TM to merge the NHS and Social Care
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,935

    2019 general election on the new boundaries in lieu of a 2nd referendum.

    Who what where when ?
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    rkrkrkrkrkrk Posts: 7,908

    Patrick said:

    Daily Mail reporting that the £13bn DfiD spend is not going to survive in the Tory manifesto. Yay!

    Triple lock to go too, and pledges on NI and income tax according to the Times this AM.

    May is going all Erdogan. She wants complete authority to sell her pig in a poke.
    I think that's being fiscally sensible.
    It's also politically sensible, looking a long way down the line.
    I think she's looking a few weeks down the line to the financial negotiations with the EU. Cutting the DfID budget will give her political capital to agree to ongoing budgetary contributions.
    Yes. The impressive thing is that DFID budget lasted so long... Credit to Cameron for that.
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,856
    AndyJS said:

    Edinburgh South: 2015 result — Lab 39%, SNP 34%, Con 17.5%. Applying latest Scottish polls gives something like SNP 31%, Con 30%, Lab 29%. But the SNP are probably not doing as well in this constituency as the average across Scotland.

    Tasty. Please please let there be an atypical LD surge there too, for a juicy four way.
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,421
    Oh.. a whipping on HoL reform as well, is possible. Major wildcard.

    May doesn't like to be thwarted and, if there is to be constitutional change to reflect Brexit, what better time than during the Brexit transition period?

    It will be rejected twice, probably in the 2019 and 2020 parliamentary sessions, and then Parliament Acted.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,935

    France: Fillon now shorter than Le Pen on Ladbrokes (3.75 against 4.5).

    Wish I'd backed him when he was 20-30, but there we are.

    Morris you almost gave me a heart attack, please quote Betfair mid or lay prices in future.
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    IanB2 said:

    Patrick said:

    Daily Mail reporting that the £13bn DfiD spend is not going to survive in the Tory manifesto. Yay!

    Triple lock to go too, and pledges on NI and income tax according to the Times this AM.

    May is going all Erdogan. She wants complete authority to sell her pig in a poke.
    I think that's being fiscally sensible.
    It's also politically sensible, looking a long way down the line.
    I think she's looking a few weeks down the line to the financial negotiations with the EU. Cutting the DfID budget will give her political capital to agree to ongoing budgetary contributions.
    Being cynical her best move regarding the DfiD budget is not to promise to stick to the UN target for the manifesto and then to actually stick to it afterwards.
    Gobshite. We do not need to waste this money. I can think of a dozen better homes for £13bn. Starting with deficit reduction.
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,983
    edited April 2017
    Pulpstar said:

    2019 general election on the new boundaries in lieu of a 2nd referendum.

    Who what where when ?
    You, your vote, your polling place, 2019!
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    The results on election night should be faster than usual because they won't have to separate out any local election ballots for the first time since I think 1992.
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    grabcocquegrabcocque Posts: 4,234
    Some of the other Cameroon wheezes dead in the long grass: British Bill of Rights, austerity
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,935
    RobD said:

    Pulpstar said:

    2019 general election on the new boundaries in lieu of a 2nd referendum.

    Who what where when ?
    You, your vote, your polling place, 2019!
    Are the Tories wanting yet MORE elections ?
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,983
    Pulpstar said:

    RobD said:

    Pulpstar said:

    2019 general election on the new boundaries in lieu of a 2nd referendum.

    Who what where when ?
    You, your vote, your polling place, 2019!
    Are the Tories wanting yet MORE elections ?
    Don't tell me the thought doesn't excite you... :D
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    rkrkrkrkrkrk Posts: 7,908
    Pulpstar said:

    rkrkrk said:

    Tories to gain net 8 seats is 1.29 on betfair... Surprised - thought the market would be more bullish at their chances?

    Tory Majority at 1.18 looks slightly better I think ?
    Fair point. I'd argue that for either not to occur we need a dramatic mistake/change in polls... Given that might as well take the extra return?
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,421
    TOPPING said:

    Patrick said:

    Daily Mail reporting that the £13bn DfiD spend is not going to survive in the Tory manifesto. Yay!

    Triple lock to go too, and pledges on NI and income tax according to the Times this AM.

    May is going all Erdogan. She wants complete authority to sell her pig in a poke.
    I think that's being fiscally sensible.
    off topic and perhaps unsayable, but it irritates me greatly when we get these public funding appeals (eg. Red Nose Day, some of the DECC appeals). What on earth is the 0.7% for if not precisely that?!
    I ignore Red Nose Day.

    And Lenny Henry in general.
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    HurstLlamaHurstLlama Posts: 9,098

    Patrick said:

    Daily Mail reporting that the £13bn DfiD spend is not going to survive in the Tory manifesto. Yay!

    Triple lock to go too, and pledges on NI and income tax according to the Times this AM.

    May is going all Erdogan. She wants complete authority to sell her pig in a poke.
    she would be mad to end the triple lock
    Not so, Mr. Root. All of the pensioners that I know are more concerned about the future of their children and grandchildren than they are about themselves. The triple lock was introduced to avoid the Gordon Brown 75p increase type of headline at a time of low inflation. It is an unaffordable nonsense that most pensioners would be content to be consigned to the scrap-heap of silly political games.

    Take free bus passes away and then there might be some resistance.
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 60,989
    Mr. Pulpstar, I subtly indicated it wasn't Betfair by my cunning use of the words 'on Ladbrokes' :p
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    calumcalum Posts: 3,046

    IanB2 said:

    AndyJS said:

    East Lothian looks interesting to me. The result in 2015 was SNP 42.5%, Lab 31.0%, Con 19.5%. If you apply the latest Scottish opinion polls you get something like SNP 39%, Con 32%, Lab 21%. Tories within striking distance.

    Yes, the Nats were only 8/15 to gain that (from Lab) in the first place. There are plenty of 3rd place gains possible for the Tories - but can they unravel the vote?
    In the current climate I think the STories are going to struggle to win tactical votes from Labour and the LibDems.
    It'll be up to Ruth, won't it? The politics of Scotland is trending towards SNP vs Con - that's the logic of the existential question coupled with FPTP.
    I could envisage SCON folks voting tactically against SNP - SLAB/SLID support each other but not SCON.
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    GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 20,829
    AndyJS said:

    The results on election night should be faster than usual because they won't have to separate out any local election ballots for the first time since I think 1992.

    But there will probably be a bigger turnout than any general since 1992 so more votes to count?
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,983
    GIN1138 said:

    AndyJS said:

    The results on election night should be faster than usual because they won't have to separate out any local election ballots for the first time since I think 1992.

    But there will probably be a bigger turnout than any general since 1992 so more votes to count?
    Could May beat Major's record? :o
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,935
    RobD said:

    Pulpstar said:

    RobD said:

    Pulpstar said:

    2019 general election on the new boundaries in lieu of a 2nd referendum.

    Who what where when ?
    You, your vote, your polling place, 2019!
    Are the Tories wanting yet MORE elections ?
    Don't tell me the thought doesn't excite you... :D
    May is going to end the nation's obesity crisis via leaflet delivery.
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    david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 17,419
    Patrick said:

    IanB2 said:

    Patrick said:

    Daily Mail reporting that the £13bn DfiD spend is not going to survive in the Tory manifesto. Yay!

    Triple lock to go too, and pledges on NI and income tax according to the Times this AM.

    May is going all Erdogan. She wants complete authority to sell her pig in a poke.
    I think that's being fiscally sensible.
    It's also politically sensible, looking a long way down the line.
    I think she's looking a few weeks down the line to the financial negotiations with the EU. Cutting the DfID budget will give her political capital to agree to ongoing budgetary contributions.
    Being cynical her best move regarding the DfiD budget is not to promise to stick to the UN target for the manifesto and then to actually stick to it afterwards.
    Gobshite. We do not need to waste this money. I can think of a dozen better homes for £13bn. Starting with deficit reduction.
    £350m a week for the NHS?
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 60,989
    Mr. Calum, how do you think the SNP will fare?
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,935
    rkrkrk said:

    Pulpstar said:

    rkrkrk said:

    Tories to gain net 8 seats is 1.29 on betfair... Surprised - thought the market would be more bullish at their chances?

    Tory Majority at 1.18 looks slightly better I think ?
    Fair point. I'd argue that for either not to occur we need a dramatic mistake/change in polls... Given that might as well take the extra return?
    Well my startpoint is I don't think the Tories will go backwards. Just how far forwards they'll go I'm not sure.
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    TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 41,360

    TOPPING said:

    Patrick said:

    Daily Mail reporting that the £13bn DfiD spend is not going to survive in the Tory manifesto. Yay!

    Triple lock to go too, and pledges on NI and income tax according to the Times this AM.

    May is going all Erdogan. She wants complete authority to sell her pig in a poke.
    I think that's being fiscally sensible.
    off topic and perhaps unsayable, but it irritates me greatly when we get these public funding appeals (eg. Red Nose Day, some of the DECC appeals). What on earth is the 0.7% for if not precisely that?!
    I ignore Red Nose Day.

    And Lenny Henry in general.
    V good in Broadchurch. Haven't seen him on stage.
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,856

    Oh.. a whipping on HoL reform as well, is possible. Major wildcard.

    May doesn't like to be thwarted and, if there is to be constitutional change to reflect Brexit, what better time than during the Brexit transition period?

    It will be rejected twice, probably in the 2019 and 2020 parliamentary sessions, and then Parliament Acted.

    Yes, probably. Vindictive too, since she wasn't thwarted at all and the Lords did their job, made suggested legislative changes, and then passed it unamended when the Commons sent it back.

    May seems to be a score settler, but Lords reform should not be done as such a reaction, drafted on the back of a fag packet. But she made sure to mention unelected lords opposing her (emphasis on the unelected, which should mean she wants to abolish the lot)

    If she wants quick and justifiable reform, I'd repeat from yesterday a good starting point would be to immediately retire from the House those who have not contributed X number of times in the last 2 years and ban someone from being made a member of the house if they have held elected office in the past 7 years. At a stroke removes those using it as a cushy retirement and parachuting the recently defenstrated into positions of power.

    Commiserations to TSE about Osborne. He was not very likeable, but he seemed a capable sort who could have offered more to parliament. But making money and editing papers is probably more fulfilling and certainly more lucrative work when backbench work beckons.
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,421

    Some of the other Cameroon wheezes dead in the long grass: British Bill of Rights, austerity

    May will definitely have something to say on this.

    It was part of her Remain pitch prior to the vote last year.

    But, it will be a post-Brexit thing.
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    GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 20,829
    RobD said:

    GIN1138 said:

    AndyJS said:

    The results on election night should be faster than usual because they won't have to separate out any local election ballots for the first time since I think 1992.

    But there will probably be a bigger turnout than any general since 1992 so more votes to count?
    Could May beat Major's record? :o
    Not sure but I do think turnout will be massive for this one despite the media narrative that everyone is fed up about it (which they probably are but that won't matter on polling day itself) because there will be so much at stake this time.
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    dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,288
    Past performance, no guarantee of next performance.

    https://twitter.com/davidottewell/status/854332692950900737

    Might not bode well for Labour.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,935
    GIN1138 said:

    AndyJS said:

    The results on election night should be faster than usual because they won't have to separate out any local election ballots for the first time since I think 1992.

    But there will probably be a bigger turnout than any general since 1992 so more votes to count?
    http://sports.williamhill.com/bet/en-gb/betting/g/9389536/General+Election+Turnout.html

    63%+ still available at 5-6.
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    david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 17,419

    TOPPING said:

    Patrick said:

    Daily Mail reporting that the £13bn DfiD spend is not going to survive in the Tory manifesto. Yay!

    Triple lock to go too, and pledges on NI and income tax according to the Times this AM.

    May is going all Erdogan. She wants complete authority to sell her pig in a poke.
    I think that's being fiscally sensible.
    off topic and perhaps unsayable, but it irritates me greatly when we get these public funding appeals (eg. Red Nose Day, some of the DECC appeals). What on earth is the 0.7% for if not precisely that?!
    I ignore Red Nose Day.

    And Lenny Henry in general.
    He's turned into quite a decent actor. But yes, I ignore all TV appeals for overseas stuff that treats the entire continent of Africa like a stupid child. The aid budget should be for disaster relief, whether natural or human-induced.
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,856
    dr_spyn said:
    Fantastic! I'd heard he wasn't. Go for Speaker, Ken!
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,285
    So when does Eddie Izzard make an appearance?
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    Tissue_PriceTissue_Price Posts: 9,039
    kle4 said:

    AndyJS said:

    Edinburgh South: 2015 result — Lab 39%, SNP 34%, Con 17.5%. Applying latest Scottish polls gives something like SNP 31%, Con 30%, Lab 29%. But the SNP are probably not doing as well in this constituency as the average across Scotland.

    Tasty. Please please let there be an atypical LD surge there too, for a juicy four way.
    But the SNP had a very deflated 2015 result because of their unsuitable candidate (I forget the details, but Ian Murray was a very lucky man).
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,421
    IanB2 said:

    Regarding the May manifesto, my initial thoughts:

    Emphasis..

    > BREXIT
    > Mental health
    > NHS (money from Brexit)
    > Grammars
    > Home ownership
    > Childcare
    > Union - sweeteners for Scotland/Wales/NI
    > Industrial strategy
    > Education/skills strategy
    > Immigration pledge

    To be mentioned..

    > New deficit plan
    > Social care (elderly)
    > Defence
    > Something on rights/human rights (wild card)

    Long grass..

    > Hunting repeal
    > 40p tax cuts
    > International Aid promise
    > Further inheritance tax cuts

    What does 'Home ownership' mean? Osborne's futile attempts to puff up an already inflated market by subsidising people buying in at the bottom will simply make the coming collapse worse.
    Bugger the NIMBIES. Build, build, build. Mitigated by migration control, and possibly taxing foreign investors in property more.

    In this, there isn't much difference between her and Osborne, actually.
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    edited April 2017
    GIN1138 said:

    AndyJS said:

    The results on election night should be faster than usual because they won't have to separate out any local election ballots for the first time since I think 1992.

    But there will probably be a bigger turnout than any general since 1992 so more votes to count?
    A lot of pundits are saying they think turnout could be down on last time.
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    calum said:

    IanB2 said:

    AndyJS said:

    East Lothian looks interesting to me. The result in 2015 was SNP 42.5%, Lab 31.0%, Con 19.5%. If you apply the latest Scottish opinion polls you get something like SNP 39%, Con 32%, Lab 21%. Tories within striking distance.

    Yes, the Nats were only 8/15 to gain that (from Lab) in the first place. There are plenty of 3rd place gains possible for the Tories - but can they unravel the vote?
    In the current climate I think the STories are going to struggle to win tactical votes from Labour and the LibDems.
    It'll be up to Ruth, won't it? The politics of Scotland is trending towards SNP vs Con - that's the logic of the existential question coupled with FPTP.
    I could envisage SCON folks voting tactically against SNP - SLAB/SLID support each other but not SCON.
    SLab are really down to bedrock support now - people who could never stomach voting Tory even tactically.
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    TOPPING said:

    Patrick said:

    Daily Mail reporting that the £13bn DfiD spend is not going to survive in the Tory manifesto. Yay!

    Triple lock to go too, and pledges on NI and income tax according to the Times this AM.

    May is going all Erdogan. She wants complete authority to sell her pig in a poke.
    I think that's being fiscally sensible.
    off topic and perhaps unsayable, but it irritates me greatly when we get these public funding appeals (eg. Red Nose Day, some of the DECC appeals). What on earth is the 0.7% for if not precisely that?!
    I ignore Red Nose Day.

    And Lenny Henry in general.
    He's turned into quite a decent actor. But yes, I ignore all TV appeals for overseas stuff that treats the entire continent of Africa like a stupid child. The aid budget should be for disaster relief, whether natural or human-induced.
    Yes - but part of FCO and massively smaller. DfiD should just be closed down. It's an expensive and wasteful boondoggle. If May proposed this it would be seriously popular.
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,856

    kle4 said:

    AndyJS said:

    Edinburgh South: 2015 result — Lab 39%, SNP 34%, Con 17.5%. Applying latest Scottish polls gives something like SNP 31%, Con 30%, Lab 29%. But the SNP are probably not doing as well in this constituency as the average across Scotland.

    Tasty. Please please let there be an atypical LD surge there too, for a juicy four way.
    But the SNP had a very deflated 2015 result because of their unsuitable candidate (I forget the details, but Ian Murray was a very lucky man).
    I recall chatter to that effect. Oh well. Any ideas where the tightest contests are expected to be? Presumably somewhere that was traditionally a Lab/LD contest with a solid Tory finish.

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    GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 20,829
    edited April 2017
    kle4 said:

    dr_spyn said:
    Fantastic! I'd heard he wasn't. Go for Speaker, Ken!
    If he went to Speaker he'd not be able to spend the next five years whining about Brexit, bitching abut his Party and undermining Theresa at every turn.

    Same with the Moggster (only reversed)

    Neither should be Speaker.
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    bobajobPBbobajobPB Posts: 1,042
    AndyJS said:

    So farewell then, Fixed-term Parliaments Act 2011. You will be sorely missed.

    Not.

    It needs to be three or four years IMO. Australia holds elections every three years.
    Every three years is essentially all the time – no wonder Australian politics is perennially chaotic.
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,856
    AndyJS said:

    GIN1138 said:

    AndyJS said:

    The results on election night should be faster than usual because they won't have to separate out any local election ballots for the first time since I think 1992.

    But there will probably be a bigger turnout than any general since 1992 so more votes to count?
    A lot of pundits are saying they think turnout could be down on last time.
    Even discounting the idea of voter fatigue, you'd have to think the Lab vote would be down quite a bit for starters. Low 60s I'm calling it.
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    david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 17,419
    kle4 said:

    RobD said:

    IanB2 said:

    So farewell then, Fixed-term Parliaments Act 2011. You will be sorely missed.

    Not.

    Why would we, the people, want to gift any PM the ability to manipulate events, and the timetable, to their own party's political self-interest?

    For all we know the next recession is about to hit in 2018. Then we can all repent at leisure.
    It looks as though the PM retains that power.
    It might, but she doesn't. Like Brexit, we might end up doing the same thing, but in a different way. Parliament made the call. At her behest, and the argument is politically it would be hard to say no (but not impossible), but still it was Parliament's call, and I personally find that an important distinction.
    It would have been quite easy to say no if Corbyn had laid down that line from the beginning. But it's one thing knowing that you're in a group of 200 and that there won't be an election for 3 years; it's another to think that you might be in a small group of rebels and will be held to account in 7 weeks.

    The optics aren't great but 'we had an election and you have a majority' is not a bad argument.
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    kyf_100kyf_100 Posts: 3,957

    IanB2 said:

    Regarding the May manifesto, my initial thoughts:

    Emphasis..

    > BREXIT
    > Mental health
    > NHS (money from Brexit)
    > Grammars
    > Home ownership
    > Childcare
    > Union - sweeteners for Scotland/Wales/NI
    > Industrial strategy
    > Education/skills strategy
    > Immigration pledge

    To be mentioned..

    > New deficit plan
    > Social care (elderly)
    > Defence
    > Something on rights/human rights (wild card)

    Long grass..

    > Hunting repeal
    > 40p tax cuts
    > International Aid promise
    > Further inheritance tax cuts

    What does 'Home ownership' mean? Osborne's futile attempts to puff up an already inflated market by subsidising people buying in at the bottom will simply make the coming collapse worse.
    Bugger the NIMBIES. Build, build, build. Mitigated by migration control, and possibly taxing foreign investors in property more.

    In this, there isn't much difference between her and Osborne, actually.
    This. Build.

    I've said it before but the fact is there's an undeniable correlation between home ownership and voting Conservative.

    If nobody under the age of 30 can afford to buy a house, those people will eventually become renters in their 40s and 50s and they will vote, in their droves, against the Tories. A demographic timebomb that could be solved with one simple policy: build, build, build.
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    IanB2IanB2 Posts: 47,308
    edited April 2017
    Patrick said:

    IanB2 said:

    Patrick said:

    Daily Mail reporting that the £13bn DfiD spend is not going to survive in the Tory manifesto. Yay!

    Triple lock to go too, and pledges on NI and income tax according to the Times this AM.

    May is going all Erdogan. She wants complete authority to sell her pig in a poke.
    I think that's being fiscally sensible.
    It's also politically sensible, looking a long way down the line.
    I think she's looking a few weeks down the line to the financial negotiations with the EU. Cutting the DfID budget will give her political capital to agree to ongoing budgetary contributions.
    Being cynical her best move regarding the DfiD budget is not to promise to stick to the UN target for the manifesto and then to actually stick to it afterwards.
    Gobshite. We do not need to waste this money. I can think of a dozen better homes for £13bn. Starting with deficit reduction.
    That simply demonstrates a lack of understanding about the real good much of that spending achieves and about the payback the UK gets both commercially and by enhancing our soft power and influence. Haven't you been paying attention whilst "scrap the budget" Pritti Patel works her way up the learning curve?
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,856
    GIN1138 said:

    kle4 said:

    dr_spyn said:
    Fantastic! I'd heard he wasn't. Go for Speaker, Ken!
    If he went to Speaker he'd not be able to spend the next five years whining about Brexit, bitching abut his Party and undermining Theresa at every turn.
    .
    He could do the last one, though that is not a plus of course.

    But he is immensely experienced in government and opposition, government party but not a party robot, and knowledgable about the procedures of the House.

    It may be he would prefer to sit on the backbenches and cause May issues. But on the face of it seems like he would be a good fit for Speaker, though I feel like it's Labour's turn.
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    kle4 said:

    AndyJS said:

    GIN1138 said:

    AndyJS said:

    The results on election night should be faster than usual because they won't have to separate out any local election ballots for the first time since I think 1992.

    But there will probably be a bigger turnout than any general since 1992 so more votes to count?
    A lot of pundits are saying they think turnout could be down on last time.
    Even discounting the idea of voter fatigue, you'd have to think the Lab vote would be down quite a bit for starters. Low 60s I'm calling it.
    As I said yesterday, we're going to see massive differential turnout. Labour nowhere. Others very enthusiastic. Look at the total votes cast per party. I expect records at both ends.
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    david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 17,419
    philiph said:

    kle4 said:

    AndyJS said:
    The Tories should stand against him - they're practically at war anyway, nothing left to lose, then get in a sensible and respect Labour MP as speaker.
    Get in a what?

    I thought half the problem was there aren't sensible respected Labour MPs
    Lindsay Hoyle would be fine. Unfortunately (for this scenario), he could well lose his seat.
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    rkrkrkrkrkrk Posts: 7,908

    Patrick said:

    Daily Mail reporting that the £13bn DfiD spend is not going to survive in the Tory manifesto. Yay!

    Triple lock to go too, and pledges on NI and income tax according to the Times this AM.

    May is going all Erdogan. She wants complete authority to sell her pig in a poke.
    she would be mad to end the triple lock
    Not so, Mr. Root. All of the pensioners that I know are more concerned about the future of their children and grandchildren than they are about themselves. The triple lock was introduced to avoid the Gordon Brown 75p increase type of headline at a time of low inflation. It is an unaffordable nonsense that most pensioners would be content to be consigned to the scrap-heap of silly political games.

    Take free bus passes away and then there might be some resistance.
    They certainly say they care about helping their grandchildren.
    When it comes down to it though i think they are just as self interested as any other group.

    I'd be interested to see polling - suspect pensioners do support the triple lock. It would be strange for politicians to be so keen on an unpopular, expensive policy!

    Round where you live the opposition to new housing is pretty fierce. Even though it would help young people get a place of their own.
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    foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    kle4 said:

    Oh.. a whipping on HoL reform as well, is possible. Major wildcard.

    May doesn't like to be thwarted and, if there is to be constitutional change to reflect Brexit, what better time than during the Brexit transition period?

    It will be rejected twice, probably in the 2019 and 2020 parliamentary sessions, and then Parliament Acted.

    Yes, probably. Vindictive too, since she wasn't thwarted at all and the Lords did their job, made suggested legislative changes, and then passed it unamended when the Commons sent it back.

    May seems to be a score settler, but Lords reform should not be done as such a reaction, drafted on the back of a fag packet. But she made sure to mention unelected lords opposing her (emphasis on the unelected, which should mean she wants to abolish the lot)

    If she wants quick and justifiable reform, I'd repeat from yesterday a good starting point would be to immediately retire from the House those who have not contributed X number of times in the last 2 years and ban someone from being made a member of the house if they have held elected office in the past 7 years. At a stroke removes those using it as a cushy retirement and parachuting the recently defenstrated into positions of power.

    Commiserations to TSE about Osborne. He was not very likeable, but he seemed a capable sort who could have offered more to parliament. But making money and editing papers is probably more fulfilling and certainly more lucrative work when backbench work beckons.
    Erdogan in drag...
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,777
    Matthew Goodwin‏ @GoodwinMJ
    Academics respond to early election
    "I'd got 6 chapters of my Lib Dem book & now she's called a f**** election"
    "F*** marking"
    "Kill me now"
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    IanB2IanB2 Posts: 47,308
    kle4 said:

    GIN1138 said:

    kle4 said:

    dr_spyn said:
    Fantastic! I'd heard he wasn't. Go for Speaker, Ken!
    If he went to Speaker he'd not be able to spend the next five years whining about Brexit, bitching abut his Party and undermining Theresa at every turn.
    .
    He could do the last one, though that is not a plus of course.

    But he is immensely experienced in government and opposition, government party but not a party robot, and knowledgable about the procedures of the House.

    It may be he would prefer to sit on the backbenches and cause May issues. But on the face of it seems like he would be a good fit for Speaker, though I feel like it's Labour's turn.
    No, he realises that another four years is a much more attractive and do-able prospect than another 3+5 = 8 years, and fancies himself as the lone voice of Conservative sanity (OK him and Anna) in the Commons whilst his party goes all fruitcake around him. What a legacy!
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 60,989
    Mr. Royale, jein.

    Building can happen in stupid places. Flood prone areas, or places where the infrastructure can't cope with an increased population.

    I do agree more building is a good thing, and a necessary thing, but it must be done sensibly.
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