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    AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340

    On thread, regarding Macron's lack of a party base.

    "Getting out the vote" is very different in France (from either US or UK) because canvassing is totally illegal.

    The parties are only authorized to keep e-mail addresses and mobile numbers from members and people who volunteer their details online. Contacting them on the day of voting (or at any time after Friday 11.59 pm) is considered campaigning and is forbidden. Offering lifts to the polling station is tolerated as long as it is not explicitly linked to a given candidate and if it is arranged beforehand.

    Late campaigning is a very frequent cause for the cancellation of local elections.

    Thank you - I hadn't appreciated that and it's extremely helpful to understand this.
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 60,995
    Dr. Foxinsox, has any candidate engraved eight asinine pledges on an 8' 6" block of Camembert?

    Mr. Paris, cheers for that post.
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    chestnutchestnut Posts: 7,341



    In the world of Chestnut there's no such thing as novation.

    Alternatively, the quickest, cleanest and lowest cost solution may be found in a trade off with the UK government during negotiations.
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    Impossible Eagles - you liar.

    The landlord will not settle, he will need to hang on to every penny.

    Brexit will cause all of London to collapse, all London properties will stand empty for decades, there will be no demand for property, all the bankers will be in Luxemburg etc ....

    Experience tells me a contract of such length might have a break clause for either side.

    Or maybe a force majeure bit to do with Brexit.
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 54,031

    chestnut said:

    The EU's negotiating position is that the costs of divorce and settlement need to be agreed.

    This property has a 25 year lease on it until 2040, cumulative cost around 300m.

    Using their preferred division of responsibility, they owe around 85% of the 300m bill on a property this almost certainly wish to vacate.

    That leaves them with a problem. Honouring obligations and not cherry picking cuts both ways.



    They could always sell the lease. Isn't that how these things usually work?
    Exactly right. There is a very active secondary market in assigning leases and/or subletting them. Assume the EU wanted to leave next year, they would contact one of the big commercial estate agents, and get them to market the lease. They might even make a profit on the sale. (Although high end London commercial is relatively weak right now, so in all likelihood they would end up down a few million.)
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    rkrkrkrkrkrk Posts: 7,908
    chestnut said:

    rkrkrk said:

    chestnut said:

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    If they need to, they'll negotiate with the landlord and cut a deal. If you think that will be anywhere near 300m, you're living in cloud cuckoo land.

    Oh, you're a Leaver. Carry on.

    So, they walk away from rental obligations? What's good for the goose..
    I think Alastair is suggesting that the EU will offer a payment to cancel the contract early.
    As long as both parties agree it's no problem surely?
    Yes I know, you start with a €300m/€60bn 'exit' bill, negotiate a settlement and walk away with little real fuss having paid considerably less.

    They may also prefer a negotiated arrangement where they pay absolutely nothing on London property in return for an obligations swap with the UK on leases across the existing EU
    I don't really understand what you're saying here - i think you're conflating a few different issues.
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    chestnutchestnut Posts: 7,341



    Impossible Eagles - you liar.

    The landlord will not settle, he will need to hang on to every penny.

    Brexit will cause all of London to collapse, all London properties will stand empty for decades, there will be no demand for property, all the bankers will be in Luxemburg etc ....

    Experience tells me a contract of such length might have a break clause for either side.

    Or maybe a force majeure bit to do with Brexit.
    "EMA will occupy the promenade, ground and the first nine office floors in the 20 storey building. The agreed rent is £46.50 per square foot commencing 1 January 2015 with five yearly upwards-only rent reviews. The length of the lease is 25 years with no breaks and EMA has options to take an additional four floors of around 27,500 square feet each."
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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,277
    Indeed. Another start to a working week, another car crash from Corbyn. You can set your watch by it.
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    rkrkrkrkrkrk Posts: 7,908

    On thread, regarding Macron's lack of a party base.

    "Getting out the vote" is very different in France (from either US or UK) because canvassing is totally illegal.

    The parties are only authorized to keep e-mail addresses and mobile numbers from members and people who volunteer their details online. Contacting them on the day of voting (or at any time after Friday 11.59 pm) is considered campaigning and is forbidden. Offering lifts to the polling station is tolerated as long as it is not explicitly linked to a given candidate and if it is arranged beforehand.

    Late campaigning is a very frequent cause for the cancellation of local elections.

    Really important information - thanks.
    The success of my position on this market seems to be directly correlated to the frequency of your posts!
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    AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 23,758



    Impossible Eagles - you liar.

    The landlord will not settle, he will need to hang on to every penny.

    Brexit will cause all of London to collapse, all London properties will stand empty for decades, there will be no demand for property, all the bankers will be in Luxemburg etc ....

    Experience tells me a contract of such length might have a break clause for either side.

    Or maybe a force majeure bit to do with Brexit.
    irrelevant

    you have been telling us we're DOOMED for ages, DOOOOOMED !

    or was it all maybe just bollocks ?
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    chestnut said:



    Impossible Eagles - you liar.

    The landlord will not settle, he will need to hang on to every penny.

    Brexit will cause all of London to collapse, all London properties will stand empty for decades, there will be no demand for property, all the bankers will be in Luxemburg etc ....

    Experience tells me a contract of such length might have a break clause for either side.

    Or maybe a force majeure bit to do with Brexit.
    "EMA will occupy the promenade, ground and the first nine office floors in the 20 storey building. The agreed rent is £46.50 per square foot commencing 1 January 2015 with five yearly upwards-only rent reviews. The length of the lease is 25 years with no breaks and EMA has options to take an additional four floors of around 27,500 square feet each."
    If you think that's the entirety of the contract, then there's no point continuing this debate further.
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    another_richardanother_richard Posts: 25,102

    On thread, regarding Macron's lack of a party base.

    "Getting out the vote" is very different in France (from either US or UK) because canvassing is totally illegal.

    The parties are only authorized to keep e-mail addresses and mobile numbers from members and people who volunteer their details online. Contacting them on the day of voting (or at any time after Friday 11.59 pm) is considered campaigning and is forbidden. Offering lifts to the polling station is tolerated as long as it is not explicitly linked to a given candidate and if it is arranged beforehand.

    Late campaigning is a very frequent cause for the cancellation of local elections.

    Which makes the high French turnouts even more impressive.
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    Impossible Eagles - you liar.

    The landlord will not settle, he will need to hang on to every penny.

    Brexit will cause all of London to collapse, all London properties will stand empty for decades, there will be no demand for property, all the bankers will be in Luxemburg etc ....

    Experience tells me a contract of such length might have a break clause for either side.

    Or maybe a force majeure bit to do with Brexit.
    irrelevant

    you have been telling us we're DOOMED for ages, DOOOOOMED !

    or was it all maybe just bollocks ?
    This is my view, it has not changed, it has merely been reinforced.

    http://www2.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2016/04/19/vote-leave-sets-out-its-objective-tse-gives-his-robust-interpretation/
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,945

    chestnut said:



    Impossible Eagles - you liar.

    The landlord will not settle, he will need to hang on to every penny.

    Brexit will cause all of London to collapse, all London properties will stand empty for decades, there will be no demand for property, all the bankers will be in Luxemburg etc ....

    Experience tells me a contract of such length might have a break clause for either side.

    Or maybe a force majeure bit to do with Brexit.
    "EMA will occupy the promenade, ground and the first nine office floors in the 20 storey building. The agreed rent is £46.50 per square foot commencing 1 January 2015 with five yearly upwards-only rent reviews. The length of the lease is 25 years with no breaks and EMA has options to take an additional four floors of around 27,500 square feet each."
    If you think that's the entirety of the contract, then there's no point continuing this debate further.
    What does the EMA/Canary Wharf contract have to do with anything though ?

    Even if it is €300m, that hardly scratches the EU's €13.7t GDP ?
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    chestnutchestnut Posts: 7,341
    rkrkrk said:

    chestnut said:

    rkrkrk said:

    chestnut said:

    <
    If they need to, they'll negotiate with the landlord and cut a deal. If you think that will be anywhere near 300m, you're living in cloud cuckoo land.

    Oh, you're a Leaver. Carry on.

    So, they walk away from rental obligations? What's good for the goose..
    I think Alastair is suggesting that the EU will offer a payment to cancel the contract early.
    As long as both parties agree it's no problem surely?
    Yes I know, you start with a €300m/€60bn 'exit' bill, negotiate a settlement and walk away with little real fuss having paid considerably less.

    They may also prefer a negotiated arrangement where they pay absolutely nothing on London property in return for an obligations swap with the UK on leases across the existing EU
    I don't really understand what you're saying here - i think you're conflating a few different issues.
    Mainly that the EU is probably going to ask us to meet our share of the cost on property leases over in Europe as part of the €60bn exit bill if they are going to be as obstinate as they are often characterised. I would hope not.

    Presumably, our government would respond in the way that Alistair, TSE etc are suggesting to such a request by the EU.
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    Carolus_RexCarolus_Rex Posts: 1,414



    Impossible Eagles - you liar.

    The landlord will not settle, he will need to hang on to every penny.

    Brexit will cause all of London to collapse, all London properties will stand empty for decades, there will be no demand for property, all the bankers will be in Luxemburg etc ....

    Experience tells me a contract of such length might have a break clause for either side.

    Or maybe a force majeure bit to do with Brexit.
    The lease will be registered so if anyone really wants to know they can always download a copy from the Land Registry.
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    BudGBudG Posts: 711
    edited April 2017
    David Herdson did an excellent piece two or three weeks ago where he argued that betting on Le Pen, at her current price then of around 4.3, was a poor bet, because if she progressed to the second round and faced Macron, her odds could well go out, even though she qualified for the runoff.

    Surely the same logic would apply now to Fillon if he were to manage to get to the final and faced Macron. In fact even more so, as Macron beats Fillon even more convincingly in the head to heads than he beats Le Pen.

    What odds would we expect Fillon to be in a final against Macron?
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    AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 23,758



    Impossible Eagles - you liar.

    The landlord will not settle, he will need to hang on to every penny.

    Brexit will cause all of London to collapse, all London properties will stand empty for decades, there will be no demand for property, all the bankers will be in Luxemburg etc ....

    Experience tells me a contract of such length might have a break clause for either side.

    Or maybe a force majeure bit to do with Brexit.
    irrelevant

    you have been telling us we're DOOMED for ages, DOOOOOMED !

    or was it all maybe just bollocks ?
    This is my view, it has not changed, it has merely been reinforced.

    http://www2.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2016/04/19/vote-leave-sets-out-its-objective-tse-gives-his-robust-interpretation/
    well it;s a conventional view

    but us leavers have been cutting deals down the dockside for the last 2 years
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    What was it Dave said about too many tweets?

    Brexit Department Faces Ridicule After Tweets Showing How EU Membership Boosts British Trade

    http://tinyurl.com/LeaversHaveLowerIQsFact
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    another_richardanother_richard Posts: 25,102
    FF43 said:

    FF43 said:

    To be (slightly) fair to the Minister for Brexit, his suggestion is to use the location of these EU bodies as a bargaining chip. In exchange for Britain graciously allowing the agencies to move, the EU will provide a juicy Brexit deal. In reality, of course, the EU will totally ignore Mr Davis.

    Scott_P said:

    Did I miss the whole "Minister for Brexit doesn't understand Brexit means Brexit" discussion?

    https://twitter.com/adambienkov/status/853961459591720960

    And the EU will have to pay the lease.

    The 'argue about everything' strategy is certainly worth trying after the complete failure of Blair's 'say yes to whatever the French want' and Cameron's 'bluster, surrender, lie' strategies.
    The complete change is that we are now going out of the EU and have therefore lost most of our influence, traded away for notional sovereignty, but leaving us with less say over our destiny than before. If you think we had no influence in the first place, you are wrong, but hardly alone in thinking that.

    The "argue about everything" strategy just wastes time if you want Brexit to look anything like "success".
    Well you would say that wouldn't you.

    It sounds like you're afraid that playing hardball for once might actually be more successful than the usual grovel to Brussels.

    Its ironic that if Blair or Cameron had ever stood up to the EU we wouldn't have chosen to leave.

    But they didn't and we did.
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    chestnutchestnut Posts: 7,341

    chestnut said:



    Impossible Eagles - you liar.

    The landlord will not settle, he will need to hang on to every penny.

    Brexit will cause all of London to collapse, all London properties will stand empty for decades, there will be no demand for property, all the bankers will be in Luxemburg etc ....

    Experience tells me a contract of such length might have a break clause for either side.

    Or maybe a force majeure bit to do with Brexit.
    "EMA will occupy the promenade, ground and the first nine office floors in the 20 storey building. The agreed rent is £46.50 per square foot commencing 1 January 2015 with five yearly upwards-only rent reviews. The length of the lease is 25 years with no breaks and EMA has options to take an additional four floors of around 27,500 square feet each."
    If you think that's the entirety of the contract, then there's no point continuing this debate further.
    I haven't mentioned anything about the entirety of the contract, merely the general detail of duration, cost and no breaks.

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    SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 20,656

    Dr. Foxinsox, has any candidate engraved eight asinine pledges on an 8' 6" block of Camembert?

    Mr. Paris, cheers for that post.

    What a silly suggestion Mr D - you would need to use a hard cheese for such purposes - Camembert is totally unsuitable.
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    TheWhiteRabbitTheWhiteRabbit Posts: 12,388
    chestnut said:

    chestnut said:



    Impossible Eagles - you liar.

    The landlord will not settle, he will need to hang on to every penny.

    Brexit will cause all of London to collapse, all London properties will stand empty for decades, there will be no demand for property, all the bankers will be in Luxemburg etc ....

    Experience tells me a contract of such length might have a break clause for either side.

    Or maybe a force majeure bit to do with Brexit.
    "EMA will occupy the promenade, ground and the first nine office floors in the 20 storey building. The agreed rent is £46.50 per square foot commencing 1 January 2015 with five yearly upwards-only rent reviews. The length of the lease is 25 years with no breaks and EMA has options to take an additional four floors of around 27,500 square feet each."
    If you think that's the entirety of the contract, then there's no point continuing this debate further.
    I haven't mentioned anything about the entirety of the contract, merely the general detail of duration, cost and no breaks.

    If there's no break clause there must be a wide alienation clause, otherwise the effect on rent review would be considerable.
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 60,995
    Mr. Rentool, my knowledge of cheese is minimal.

    I do quite like using it in writing, though. Cheese was one of the staples for the medieval poor. When wealthier types started liking it more in the Elizabethan era, it caused some problems for the poor as one of their main foods starting rising in price.
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    TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 40,218
    edited April 2017

    What was it Dave said about too many tweets?

    Brexit Department Faces Ridicule After Tweets Showing How EU Membership Boosts British Trade

    http://tinyurl.com/LeaversHaveLowerIQsFact

    LeaversHaveLowerIQs&SmellyPantsFact surely?
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    rkrkrk said:

    On thread, regarding Macron's lack of a party base.

    "Getting out the vote" is very different in France (from either US or UK) because canvassing is totally illegal.

    The parties are only authorized to keep e-mail addresses and mobile numbers from members and people who volunteer their details online. Contacting them on the day of voting (or at any time after Friday 11.59 pm) is considered campaigning and is forbidden. Offering lifts to the polling station is tolerated as long as it is not explicitly linked to a given candidate and if it is arranged beforehand.

    Late campaigning is a very frequent cause for the cancellation of local elections.

    Really important information - thanks.
    The success of my position on this market seems to be directly correlated to the frequency of your posts!
    Thanks! My own position has been all green on the big four for a while.

    My worst gain would be Le Pen as I think she has no real chance. It's basically pure hedging against a black swan scenario (e.g. a major terror event in the next two weeks - actually a clear possibility according to security sources).

    My best gain would be with Fillon because of the great position I built during the primary.

    I am terribly tempted to bet more on my favorite candidate and unbalance my position but I have been able to resist the urge so far!

    Anyway after a tense first round, the second round betting should be free money (as it was in 2007 and 2012).
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,945
    Eleven Fifteen,
    That's the time it's always been
    A haaa
    Theresa May........
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    LeaversHaveLowerIQs&SmellyPantsFact

    What was it Dave said about too many tweets?

    Brexit Department Faces Ridicule After Tweets Showing How EU Membership Boosts British Trade

    http://tinyurl.com/LeaversHaveLowerIQsFact

    LeaversHaveLowerIQs&SmellyPantsFact surely?
    There's a limit on the number of characters I can use at tinyurl.

    Tinyurl is where the Brexit and cultural war is being fought after all, it does trigger some Leavers after all.
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    Perhaps she's finally seen sense and is making way for George Osborne as PM.
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,285
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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @bbclaurak: Watch election rumour mill go crazy.... has May decided to go for it?
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,285
    Scott_P said:

    @bbclaurak: Watch election rumour mill go crazy.... has May decided to go for it?

    Saw those 21% leads and though the only way is down from here.
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    SlackbladderSlackbladder Posts: 9,711
    Ooer.......
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    AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 23,758
    We're invading Spain
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    FF43FF43 Posts: 15,760


    Mr. 43, losing influence for nothing reminds me of Brown ignoring a manifesto pledge to sign away vetoes in Lisbon.

    Time will tell whether we were right to vote to leave.

    Mr Dancer. I wouldn't say it was wrong to leave the EU. And I don't think time is likely to tell, but instead we will stick to our fixed positions till Kingdom come.

    I would say however that leaving the EU is a disconnection for the UK. If we just say "no" to everything and willingly isolate ourselves, the gained sovereignty is real. There is a contradiction between a "global Britain" open to the world and Brexit, where the loss of influence is a big issue. As we are definitively leaving the EU, we will have to resolve that contradiction if Brexit is going to look anything like a "success" in those terms.

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    rkrkrkrkrkrk Posts: 7,908

    rkrkrk said:

    On thread, regarding Macron's lack of a party base.

    "Getting out the vote" is very different in France (from either US or UK) because canvassing is totally illegal.

    The parties are only authorized to keep e-mail addresses and mobile numbers from members and people who volunteer their details online. Contacting them on the day of voting (or at any time after Friday 11.59 pm) is considered campaigning and is forbidden. Offering lifts to the polling station is tolerated as long as it is not explicitly linked to a given candidate and if it is arranged beforehand.

    Late campaigning is a very frequent cause for the cancellation of local elections.

    Really important information - thanks.
    The success of my position on this market seems to be directly correlated to the frequency of your posts!
    Thanks! My own position has been all green on the big four for a while.

    My worst gain would be Le Pen as I think she has no real chance. It's basically pure hedging against a black swan scenario (e.g. a major terror event in the next two weeks - actually a clear possibility according to security sources).

    My best gain would be with Fillon because of the great position I built during the primary.

    I am terribly tempted to bet more on my favorite candidate and unbalance my position but I have been able to resist the urge so far!

    Anyway after a tense first round, the second round betting should be free money (as it was in 2007 and 2012).
    I was in that happy all green position. And then got greedy and thought i could profit big from Fillon dropping out. +50 Macron, -35 Le Pen, +10 Fillon and +15 Melanchon. Roughly.

    I still feel Le Pen should be longer than she is... But personal limit of -50 on any candidate because i don't want to lose too much!
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    Beverley_CBeverley_C Posts: 6,256
    Pulpstar said:


    What does the EMA/Canary Wharf contract have to do with anything though ?

    Even if it is €300m, that hardly scratches the EU's €13.7t GDP ?

    The EU does NOT have a GDP. The countries of the EU have individual GDPs which may well amount to €13tn but that is their GDPs. There is no country called EU (yet!).

    The EU has a series of membership fees and other payments which give it €143bn to spend or about 1% of the GDPs of the member economies.
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    We're invading Spain
    She's such a disappointment, a decent British PM would be invading France.
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 54,031
    chestnut said:



    Impossible Eagles - you liar.

    The landlord will not settle, he will need to hang on to every penny.

    Brexit will cause all of London to collapse, all London properties will stand empty for decades, there will be no demand for property, all the bankers will be in Luxemburg etc ....

    Experience tells me a contract of such length might have a break clause for either side.

    Or maybe a force majeure bit to do with Brexit.
    "EMA will occupy the promenade, ground and the first nine office floors in the 20 storey building. The agreed rent is £46.50 per square foot commencing 1 January 2015 with five yearly upwards-only rent reviews. The length of the lease is 25 years with no breaks and EMA has options to take an additional four floors of around 27,500 square feet each."
    £46.50 is actually quite a good price considering the office. I would be staggered if they couldn't novate at more than £40/square foot.
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,285
    edited April 2017
    21% poll leads, labour led by a moron, lib dems led by a bloke nobody has heard of & UKip led by walter Mitty...It ain't going to get easier than that.
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    Beverley_CBeverley_C Posts: 6,256

    Dr. Foxinsox, has any candidate engraved eight asinine pledges on an 8' 6" block of Camembert?

    Mr. Paris, cheers for that post.

    What a silly suggestion Mr D - you would need to use a hard cheese for such purposes - Camembert is totally unsuitable.
    You can hardly expect a hardline, arch-Leaver like Mr Dancer to keep up with forrin cheeses. He would likely use English Cheddar - its nice, hard, plastic like consistency would make it ideal for engraving. :D
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    I wonder if the CPS have been in touch and that might explain Mrs May's announcement
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    TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 40,218
    edited April 2017
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    TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    "Most serious" - so not Sindyref 2 then.
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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,924

    F1: hmm. I don't have the money to do this, but Hamilton and Vettel have title prices on Betfair of 1.94 and 2.5.

    So, if you've got a stack of cash and don't believe anyone else will stand a chance (worth remembering we're in early days) you could back both and finish ahead if either wins.

    I was looking at that one the other day, Hamilton was evens and Vettel 6/4 - yet even at this early stage it seems implausible that one or other of them won't be the champion.
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    Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 13,015
    I hope she is resigning on the grounds that she is annoying and boring. #priti4pm
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 60,995
    Mrs C, Red Leicester, actually.

    My second favourite cheese (although I don't have it often) is Edam.

    On May's statement: she's decided to resolve the French election by imposing the terms of the Treaty of Troyes.
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    rkrkrkrkrkrk Posts: 7,908

    I wonder if the CPS have been in touch and that might explain Mrs May's announcement

    I've panic cashed out of my no general election bet this year.
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 60,995
    Mr. Sandpit, that's my assessment too.

    The only way someone else wins if is Red Bull have the greatest development success there's perhaps ever been. But, in that case, you can back them for the Constructors' at 41 or so.

    However, the margin of profit is tight and the timescale is quite long.
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    AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    Theresa May has looked at all the complexities of leaving the EU and has decided that it's just too difficult.

    Brexit means Bricks It.
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,532
    edited April 2017
    I don't think it'll be an early election, because how does she satisfy/circumvent the FTPA?

    #MySionSimonMoment
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    Dura_Ace said:

    I hope she is resigning on the grounds that she is annoying and boring. #priti4pm

    I was with you until the hashtag!
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    malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 42,062
    Surprised we have not had the frothers wetting their pants on speculation on what baloney May will come out with at 11:15. No doubt trying to get some reflected glory by saying she will help Trump press the big red button
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    david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 17,419

    I don't think it'll be an early election, because how does she satisfy/circumvent the FTPA?

    It won't be an early election, not least because of the timing. You don't make that call in the middle of a different election period unless there's something huge to bounce off the back of.

    That said, she could, if she was so minded, put down a Dissolution motion and dare Labour to vote it down. Corbyn has previously said that he'd support it, though politics has a funny way of enabling its practitioners to fashion principles out of self-preservation.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,945

    I don't think it'll be an early election, because how does she satisfy/circumvent the FTPA?

    #MySionSimonMoment

    I'll be down £250 if she calls an early election as a starter for ten !

    So I'll immediately have to plough a grand into Tory majority to win it back

    #Winningheresortof
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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,277
    Can't be going on health grounds as Dan Hodges made this actual prediction only a few days ago.
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,285
    Is Bolton connected these days? During Blair's time obviously he had the inside track on everything, but nowadays does he?
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    Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 13,015
    Every time Old Iron Pubes looks like she might be on the verge of doing something interesting or entertaining, she doesn't. I don't think it'll be any different this time. #pritiwoman
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    malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 42,062
    Dura_Ace said:

    I hope she is resigning on the grounds that she is annoying and boring. #priti4pm

    Unlikely AND VERY TRUE BUT WE CAN BUT HOPE.
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    rkrkrkrkrkrk Posts: 7,908

    Theresa May has looked at all the complexities of leaving the EU and has decided that it's just too difficult.

    Brexit means Bricks It.

    Right now would probably be the worst point for her to resign.
    It can't be that surely unless it's something very serious health wise.
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    OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 32,027

    I don't think it'll be an early election, because how does she satisfy/circumvent the FTPA?

    #MySionSimonMoment

    She’s going to attack N Korea.
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    ArtistArtist Posts: 1,882
    I wonder if the Tories would actually have a leadership contest this time, if she's resigning.
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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,277
    Hammond available at 9.6 on BF
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    TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 41,372
    I hope it is nothing Royal related.
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,285
    edited April 2017
    TOPPING said:

    I hope it is nothing Royal related.

    Announcement on The new royal yacht?
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    Hammond available at 9.6 on BF

    Sadly no chance, he's pissed off the Hard Brexiteers, coupled with a bad received first budget.
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    Artist said:

    I wonder if the Tories would actually have a leadership contest this time, if she's resigning.

    "What do we want?"

    "Leadsom for..."
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    NigelbNigelb Posts: 62,732

    Mr. Rentool, my knowledge of cheese is minimal.

    I do quite like using it in writing, though. Cheese was one of the staples for the medieval poor. When wealthier types started liking it more in the Elizabethan era, it caused some problems for the poor as one of their main foods starting rising in price.

    Mimolette, I think in this case. Though it does resemble a cannon ball rather more than a gravestone.
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    Mike's busy this morning, so yours truly will be covering Theresa May's statement.

    We all know nothing major happens when Mike's busy and I'm in charge.
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    malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 42,062
    TOPPING said:

    I hope it is nothing Royal related.

    It is not going to be the Queen so who gives a jot
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,945
    edited April 2017
    Just got £10/£15 laying a 2017 General Election...
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,285

    Hammond available at 9.6 on BF

    Sadly no chance, he's pissed off the Hard Brexiteers, coupled with a bad received first budget.
    I am sure Osborne could find room in his schedule for job #7....
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    PongPong Posts: 4,693
    edited April 2017

    Hammond available at 9.6 on BF

    Sadly no chance, he's pissed off the Hard Brexiteers, coupled with a bad received first budget.
    I'm not even sure he'd want the job.
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,285
    edited April 2017

    Mike's busy this morning, so yours truly will be covering Theresa May's statement.

    We all know nothing major happens when Mike's busy and I'm in charge.

    What were you saying about mike and UK holidays the other day? They are the safe ones were nothing major happens right?
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    RazedabodeRazedabode Posts: 2,977
    Sunning myself in Crete whilst desperately following twitter...perhaps its royal related?
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    Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 30,969

    Mike's busy this morning, so yours truly will be covering Theresa May's statement.

    We all know nothing major happens when Mike's busy and I'm in charge.

    I think that she is going to announce she has sold the whole country to France and furthermore that she has done this with the specific and sole aim of annoying TSE.
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    DanSmithDanSmith Posts: 1,215
    I'm going royal family.
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    ParistondaParistonda Posts: 1,819
    Election announcement seems unlikely to me. Timing is off. She's got no new information to justify a U-Turn.

    Health grounds resignation is certainly possible, but it would have to be something sudden and serious if so, so let's hope it's not that.

    Perhaps it's something on Syria? Maybe we are upping our involvement? Or N Korea related.

    Maybe she's just messing with us, and she's going to announce they will be redoing the wallpaper in Downing Street.
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    david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 17,419
    BudG said:

    David Herdson did an excellent piece two or three weeks ago where he argued that betting on Le Pen, at her current price then of around 4.3, was a poor bet, because if she progressed to the second round and faced Macron, her odds could well go out, even though she qualified for the runoff.

    Surely the same logic would apply now to Fillon if he were to manage to get to the final and faced Macron. In fact even more so, as Macron beats Fillon even more convincingly in the head to heads than he beats Le Pen.

    What odds would we expect Fillon to be in a final against Macron?

    Against Macron, I'd expect Fillon to be quite heavily odds-against, maybe as much as 5/1. But his overall odds should be a little shorter than that given how close the first round now is and the twin potential issues Macron has in not having an established party network and in his soft voter base. If we could end up with a Fillon-Le Pen then he'd suddenly be odds-on, though not by a great deal. The less likely (but not inconceivable) 2nd round head-to-head of Fillon-Melenchon doesn't see him do much better than against Macron, which is itself indicative of how toxic he now is.
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    Mike's busy this morning, so yours truly will be covering Theresa May's statement.

    We all know nothing major happens when Mike's busy and I'm in charge.

    What were you saying about mike and UK holidays the other day? They are the safe ones were nothing major happens right?
    His holiday finished yesterday.
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    malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 42,062
    Artist said:

    I wonder if the Tories would actually have a leadership contest this time, if she's resigning.

    All that talent , what a contest that would be
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    ParistondaParistonda Posts: 1,819
    edited April 2017
    TOPPING said:

    I hope it is nothing Royal related.

    Do you mean like a death in the family? I thought the official processes meant the BBC would always report that first?
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    Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 13,015
    Pong said:

    Hammond available at 9.6 on BF

    Sadly no chance, he's pissed off the Hard Brexiteers, coupled with a bad received first budget.
    I'm not even sure he'd want the job.
    It is a bit of a hospital pass at this juncture. The PM will have to solve the Gordian brain tumour of Brexit and Labour are one Corbyn heart attack away from electoral relevance.
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    SlackbladderSlackbladder Posts: 9,711
    Where's that article from the guardian about what happens when the Queen dies?
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    FF43FF43 Posts: 15,760
    edited April 2017
    It could be anything or it could be nothing very much. But I don't think it will be an election announcement. The nature of the FTPA blockage is that you would need to build up a head of steam for that and it wouldn't be initiated by a grand announcement.

    I have an hour to be proved wrong ...

    PS There could also be a ministerial resignation, so this announcement is of a mini-reshuffle and an attempt to indicate the ship is still on track

    PPS If it is a ministerial resignation, I am plumping for Johnson, who doesn't look at all happy at the moment.
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    Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 30,969

    TOPPING said:

    I hope it is nothing Royal related.

    Do you mean like a death in the family? I thought the official processes meant the BBC would always report that first?
    I can't see it being abdication either as I would have thought that would be announced in Parliament first.
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    wasdwasd Posts: 276
    DanSmith said:

    I'm going royal family.

    The Guardian did run an article on the death of the queen a month or so back. Could have been prep on behalf of the palace.
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    TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 40,218
    Return to Home Rule for NI sounds quite likely, if boring.
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    TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 41,372

    TOPPING said:

    I hope it is nothing Royal related.

    Do you mean like a death in the family? I thought the official processes meant the BBC would always report that first?
    Not sure of protocol for non-HMQ members.
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    malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 42,062
    Pong said:

    Hammond available at 9.6 on BF

    Sadly no chance, he's pissed off the Hard Brexiteers, coupled with a bad received first budget.
    I'm not even sure he'd want the job.
    LOL,
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