Seems wee Jimmie Krankie wants Scotland to not be in a free trade area / customs union with its most important market (by a long way). How odd!
She seems to be in some sort of denial about Brexit when the idea of Scotland getting a differential deal is rejected throughout Europe.
The process will grind on for months/years but ultimately the divorce settlement will be between the EU and UK.
Following that settlement Nicola Sturgeon will be left with accepting the deal or holding a new referendum
We don't yet know what constitutional cards she holds within the UK. Wait for the Supreme Court to speak before coming to conclusions.
You do make a valid point but it seems to be accepted that Scotland will not have a veto - we will see but in the circumstances that Scotland cannot veto the A50 do you agree with my comments
They don't have a veto, but they may be able to force Westminster to overrule them, which would create a constitutional crisis for the devolution settlement and undermine the basis on which Scotland voted to stay in the Union.
Then Theresa May should grant the OK for a second referendum on Independence
I believe that a second referendum would fail again and I am sure Nicola Sturgeon deep down knows this.
I was a supporter of Sindie at the 1st referendum but that should have settled it for 20+ years. A 2nd referendum would be on the basis of a "we want to stay/rejoin the EU for circa 10% of our trade and put at risk circa 80% of our trade (with rUK)". Completely unsaleable.
Seems wee Jimmie Krankie wants Scotland to not be in a free trade area / customs union with its most important market (by a long way). How odd!
She seems to be in some sort of denial about Brexit when the idea of Scotland getting a differential deal is rejected throughout Europe.
The process will grind on for months/years but ultimately the divorce settlement will be between the EU and UK.
Following that settlement Nicola Sturgeon will be left with accepting the deal or holding a new referendum
We don't yet know what constitutional cards she holds within the UK. Wait for the Supreme Court to speak before coming to conclusions.
You do make a valid point but it seems to be accepted that Scotland will not have a veto - we will see but in the circumstances that Scotland cannot veto the A50 do you agree with my comments
They don't have a veto, but they may be able to force Westminster to overrule them, which would create a constitutional crisis for the devolution settlement and undermine the basis on which Scotland voted to stay in the Union.
Then Theresa May should grant the OK for a second referendum on Independence
I believe that a second referendum would fail again and I am sure Nicola Sturgeon deep down knows this.
I was a supporter of Sindie at the 1st referendum but that should have settled it for 20+ years. A 2nd referendum would be on the basis of a "we want to stay/rejoin the EU for circa 10% of our trade and put at risk circa 80% of our trade (with rUK)". Completely unsaleable.
I'm so glad that pb's Leavers are secure in the belief that politicians that have made it their life's work to foment alienation against immigrants bear no indirect responsibility for the killing of an elected representative who stood against such beliefs. It must be a relief not to have that on your conscience.
Then you, as someone who supports Mrs Merkel's actions, have the blood of 12 Germans on your hands. This eventuality was pointed out on here and elsewhere on numerous occasions. Yet we were belittled and patronised by you and others like you as racist or not having a heart.
No, now is the time for people like you to keep quiet, on Brexit, on Islamic migration and on terrorism. You've been wrong on every single point and shouting down opposition by calling anyone who disagrees a racist is why we are where we are and countless people in Europe have died needlessly or had serious injuries from terrorist acts.
On the contrary, its people like Meeks and their shrill and monotonous heckling that won the referendum for LEAVE. There is nothing on the whole as effective as describing someone as a racist, small minded, little Englander to spur them on to the polling booth, especially from the lips of someone that has done well enough in life to be able to benefit from the advantages, and avoid the disadvantages of mass immigration.
Seems wee Jimmie Krankie wants Scotland to not be in a free trade area / customs union with its most important market (by a long way). How odd!
She seems to be in some sort of denial about Brexit when the idea of Scotland getting a differential deal is rejected throughout Europe.
The process will grind on for months/years but ultimately the divorce settlement will be between the EU and UK.
Following that settlement Nicola Sturgeon will be left with accepting the deal or holding a new referendum
We don't yet know what constitutional cards she holds within the UK. Wait for the Supreme Court to speak before coming to conclusions.
You do make a valid point but it seems to be accepted that Scotland will not have a veto - we will see but in the circumstances that Scotland cannot veto the A50 do you agree with my comments
They don't have a veto, but they may be able to force Westminster to overrule them, which would create a constitutional crisis for the devolution settlement and undermine the basis on which Scotland voted to stay in the Union.
Then Theresa May should grant the OK for a second referendum on Independence
I believe that a second referendum would fail again and I am sure Nicola Sturgeon deep down knows this.
I was a supporter of Sindie at the 1st referendum but that should have settled it for 20+ years. A 2nd referendum would be on the basis of a "we want to stay/rejoin the EU for circa 10% of our trade and put at risk circa 80% of our trade (with rUK)". Completely unsaleable.
It being a choice of EU vs UK also leaves the "proper" independence crowd out in the cold. There are a lot of people who voted Yes last time that also voted Leave, it won't be possible to win any independence referendum without them, if they don't turn up or vote No to avoid the EU then I don't see how Yes could possibly win.
Seems wee Jimmie Krankie wants Scotland to not be in a free trade area / customs union with its most important market (by a long way). How odd!
She seems to be in some sort of denial about Brexit when the idea of Scotland getting a differential deal is rejected throughout Europe.
The process will grind on for months/years but ultimately the divorce settlement will be between the EU and UK.
Following that settlement Nicola Sturgeon will be left with accepting the deal or holding a new referendum
We don't yet know what constitutional cards she holds within the UK. Wait for the Supreme Court to speak before coming to conclusions.
You do make a valid point but it seems to be accepted that Scotland will not have a veto - we will see but in the circumstances that Scotland cannot veto the A50 do you agree with my comments
They don't have a veto, but they may be able to force Westminster to overrule them, which would create a constitutional crisis for the devolution settlement and undermine the basis on which Scotland voted to stay in the Union.
Then Theresa May should grant the OK for a second referendum on Independence
I believe that a second referendum would fail again and I am sure Nicola Sturgeon deep down knows this.
I was a supporter of Sindie at the 1st referendum but that should have settled it for 20+ years. A 2nd referendum would be on the basis of a "we want to stay/rejoin the EU for circa 10% of our trade and put at risk circa 80% of our trade (with rUK)". Completely unsaleable.
Did/do you have a vote?
No. Just a supporter from England. Wishing an end to socialism north of the border.
Seems wee Jimmie Krankie wants Scotland to not be in a free trade area / customs union with its most important market (by a long way). How odd!
She seems to be in some sort of denial about Brexit when the idea of Scotland getting a differential deal is rejected throughout Europe.
The process will grind on for months/years but ultimately the divorce settlement will be between the EU and UK.
Following that settlement Nicola Sturgeon will be left with accepting the deal or holding a new referendum
We don't yet know what constitutional cards she holds within the UK. Wait for the Supreme Court to speak before coming to conclusions.
You do make a valid point but it seems to be accepted that Scotland will not have a veto - we will see but in the circumstances that Scotland cannot veto the A50 do you agree with my comments
They don't have a veto, but they may be able to force Westminster to overrule them, which would create a constitutional crisis for the devolution settlement and undermine the basis on which Scotland voted to stay in the Union.
Then Theresa May should grant the OK for a second referendum on Independence
I believe that a second referendum would fail again and I am sure Nicola Sturgeon deep down knows this.
I was a supporter of Sindie at the 1st referendum but that should have settled it for 20+ years. A 2nd referendum would be on the basis of a "we want to stay/rejoin the EU for circa 10% of our trade and put at risk circa 80% of our trade (with rUK)". Completely unsaleable.
Whether the Nationalists can win or not seems to me fairly immaterial. It was made clear by the Scottish Government at the time that a substantial change in the status of Scotland should be sufficient to trigger another referendum. Given the result was relatively close this seems a reasonable point. And I don't think anyone could reasonably deny that the UK leaving the EU is such a change.
So personally I have no problem with the call for another referendum on Scotland. I suspect they will lose again but we live in interesting times so I don't think anyone can be certain of that.
The referendum was a binary choice, but within it, there are several groupings.
There are those Leavers who want out of the common market and customs union too and others preferring to stay in a trading community. There are those Remainers who dislike some features of the EU, but believe it is repairable, and those who believe in a federal or united Europe with a single government. But it was a binary vote.
If we had a referendum about capital punishment, we'd have different groups too. Some would be completely against (I'd be in that category), some would be in favour only for specified groups (child murders or something) and some would be in favour for all murders.
The referendum question would have to be simple ... For or Against. I'd vote against but if it were carried, I'd be disappointed, but I'd accept the result. That's why I don't quite understand the viewpoint of the small proportion of the population who don't believe in democracy.
The referendum was in the Conservative manifesto. They won the GE according to the rules. The question was binary (as is usual). Leave won.
We will be leaving (details to be negotiated), Let's make the best of it.
Why would rejoining the EU make trade with rUK harder?
If rUK was outside the Customs Union as seems likely, and Scotland being in the EU would be in it, there would be tariffs imposed on trade between Scotland and rUK.
Just catching up on the thread having returned from my annual visit to Marks and Spencers to buy Herself's traditional nightie christmas present. Forty years ago it was short, black lace and mostly see-through; nowadays it is ankle-length flannelette, long sleeves with elasticated cuffs and a high collar, preferably with matching bed-socks. Which brings me nicely to the point of this post:
Happy Birthday, Miss Plato!
Being fifty is not so bad, and Saga Holidays can actually be rather good.
I'm so glad that pb's Leavers are secure in the belief that politicians that have made it their life's work to foment alienation against immigrants bear no indirect responsibility for the killing of an elected representative who stood against such beliefs. It must be a relief not to have that on your conscience.
Then you, as someone who supports Mrs Merkel's actions, have the blood of 12 Germans on your hands. This eventuality was pointed out on here and elsewhere on numerous occasions. Yet we were belittled and patronised by you and others like you as racist or not having a heart.
No, now is the time for people like you to keep quiet, on Brexit, on Islamic migration and on terrorism. You've been wrong on every single point and shouting down opposition by calling anyone who disagrees a racist is why we are where we are and countless people in Europe have died needlessly or had serious injuries from terrorist acts.
On the contrary, its people like Meeks and their shrill and monotonous heckling that won the referendum for LEAVE. There is nothing on the whole as effective as describing someone as a racist, small minded, little Englander to spur them on to the polling booth, especially from the lips of someone that has done well enough in life to be able to benefit from the advantages, and avoid the disadvantages of mass immigration.
That would be the mass immigration from outside the EU, whose numbers since 1997 dwarf any due to freedom of movement within the EU?
Why would rejoining the EU make trade with rUK harder?
If rUK was outside the Customs Union as seems likely, and Scotland being in the EU would be in it, there would be tariffs imposed on trade between Scotland and rUK.
I would have thought that legally and to keep within the rules of the Customs Union there would have to be.
I'm so glad that pb's Leavers are secure in the belief that politicians that have made it their life's work to foment alienation against immigrants bear no indirect responsibility for the killing of an elected representative who stood against such beliefs. It must be a relief not to have that on your conscience.
Then you, as someone who supports Mrs Merkel's actions, have the blood of 12 Germans on your hands. This eventuality was pointed out on here and elsewhere on numerous occasions. Yet we were belittled and patronised by you and others like you as racist or not having a heart.
No, now is the time for people like you to keep quiet, on Brexit, on Islamic migration and on terrorism. You've been wrong on every single point and shouting down opposition by calling anyone who disagrees a racist is why we are where we are and countless people in Europe have died needlessly or had serious injuries from terrorist acts.
On the contrary, its people like Meeks and their shrill and monotonous heckling that won the referendum for LEAVE. There is nothing on the whole as effective as describing someone as a racist, small minded, little Englander to spur them on to the polling booth, especially from the lips of someone that has done well enough in life to be able to benefit from the advantages, and avoid the disadvantages of mass immigration.
Remain campaigners "describing someone as a racist, small minded, little Englander" may well have tipped the balance in a tight contest. Mr Meeks say he wants to carry on setting out his advice to Leavers. Has he ever thought of reflecting on 2016?
Why would rejoining the EU make trade with rUK harder?
I'm talking specifically about the politics and votes for a second independence referendum. Though I have to say if rUK is out of the single market and Scotland is in it, there would be a severe shock to the Scottish economy as around 70-80% of non-oil trade is with England and Wales.
I'm so glad that pb's Leavers are secure in the belief that politicians that have made it their life's work to foment alienation against immigrants bear no indirect responsibility for the killing of an elected representative who stood against such beliefs. It must be a relief not to have that on your conscience.
Then you, as someone who supports Mrs Merkel's actions, have the blood of 12 Germans on your hands. This eventuality was pointed out on here and elsewhere on numerous occasions. Yet we were belittled and patronised by you and others like you as racist or not having a heart.
No, now is the time for people like you to keep quiet, on Brexit, on Islamic migration and on terrorism. You've been wrong on every single point and shouting down opposition by calling anyone who disagrees a racist is why we are where we are and countless people in Europe have died needlessly or had serious injuries from terrorist acts.
On the contrary, its people like Meeks and their shrill and monotonous heckling that won the referendum for LEAVE. There is nothing on the whole as effective as describing someone as a racist, small minded, little Englander to spur them on to the polling booth, especially from the lips of someone that has done well enough in life to be able to benefit from the advantages, and avoid the disadvantages of mass immigration.
That would be the mass immigration from outside the EU, whose numbers since 1997 dwarf any due to freedom of movement within the EU?
How would we know, since all we have to go on is a voluntary questionnaire given at major ports and airports. The immigration figures are a joke, how much of a joke is open to some debate.
I'm so glad that pb's Leavers are secure in the belief that politicians that have made it their life's work to foment alienation against immigrants bear no indirect responsibility for the killing of an elected representative who stood against such beliefs. It must be a relief not to have that on your conscience.
Then you, as someone who supports Mrs Merkel's actions, have the blood of 12 Germans on your hands. This eventuality was pointed out on here and elsewhere on numerous occasions. Yet we were belittled and patronised by you and others like you as racist or not having a heart.
No, now is the time for people like you to keep quiet, on Brexit, on Islamic migration and on terrorism. You've been wrong on every single point and shouting down opposition by calling anyone who disagrees a racist is why we are where we are and countless people in Europe have died needlessly or had serious injuries from terrorist acts.
On the contrary, its people like Meeks and their shrill and monotonous heckling that won the referendum for LEAVE. There is nothing on the whole as effective as describing someone as a racist, small minded, little Englander to spur them on to the polling booth, especially from the lips of someone that has done well enough in life to be able to benefit from the advantages, and avoid the disadvantages of mass immigration.
That would be the mass immigration from outside the EU, whose numbers since 1997 dwarf any due to freedom of movement within the EU?
How would we know, since all we have to go on is a voluntary questionnaire given at major ports and airports. The immigration figures are a joke, how much of a joke is open to some debate.
Seems wee Jimmie Krankie wants Scotland to not be in a free trade area / customs union with its most important market (by a long way). How odd!
She seems to be in some sort of denial about Brexit when the idea of Scotland getting a differential deal is rejected throughout Europe.
The process will grind on for months/years but ultimately the divorce settlement will be between the EU and UK.
Following that settlement Nicola Sturgeon will be left with accepting the deal or holding a new referendum
We don't yet know what constitutional cards she holds within the UK. Wait for the Supreme Court to speak before coming to conclusions.
You do make a valid point but it seems to be accepted that Scotland will not have a veto - we will see but in the circumstances that Scotland cannot veto the A50 do you agree with my comments
They don't have a veto, but they may be able to force Westminster to overrule them, which would create a constitutional crisis for the devolution settlement and undermine the basis on which Scotland voted to stay in the Union.
Then Theresa May should grant the OK for a second referendum on Independence
I believe that a second referendum would fail again and I am sure Nicola Sturgeon deep down knows this.
I was a supporter of Sindie at the 1st referendum but that should have settled it for 20+ years. A 2nd referendum would be on the basis of a "we want to stay/rejoin the EU for circa 10% of our trade and put at risk circa 80% of our trade (with rUK)". Completely unsaleable.
Did/do you have a vote?
Graham Norton may have strong opinions on what is sexually desirable in a woman, and very interesting they'd be, I'm sure.
It must be galling for PB's Scotch experts that an unemployed 17 year old in Easterhouse has more agency in this matter than all of them put together.
Seems wee Jimmie Krankie wants Scotland to not be in a free trade area / customs union with its most important market (by a long way). How odd!
She seems to be in some sort of denial about Brexit when the idea of Scotland getting a differential deal is rejected throughout Europe.
The process will grind on for months/years but ultimately the divorce settlement will be between the EU and UK.
Following that settlement Nicola Sturgeon will be left with accepting the deal or holding a new referendum
We don't yet know what constitutional cards she holds within the UK. Wait for the Supreme Court to speak before coming to conclusions.
You do make a valid point but it seems to be accepted that Scotland will not have a veto - we will see but in the circumstances that Scotland cannot veto the A50 do you agree with my comments
They don't have a veto, but they may be able to force Westminster to overrule them, which would create a constitutional crisis for the devolution settlement and undermine the basis on which Scotland voted to stay in the Union.
Then Theresa May should grant the OK for a second referendum on Independence
I believe that a second referendum would fail again and I am sure Nicola Sturgeon deep down knows this.
I was a supporter of Sindie at the 1st referendum but that should have settled it for 20+ years. A 2nd referendum would be on the basis of a "we want to stay/rejoin the EU for circa 10% of our trade and put at risk circa 80% of our trade (with rUK)". Completely unsaleable.
Whether the Nationalists can win or not seems to me fairly immaterial. It was made clear by the Scottish Government at the time that a substantial change in the status of Scotland should be sufficient to trigger another referendum. Given the result was relatively close this seems a reasonable point. And I don't think anyone could reasonably deny that the UK leaving the EU is such a change. So personally I have no problem with the call for another referendum on Scotland. I suspect they will lose again but we live in interesting times so I don't think anyone can be certain of that.
Yes there is a case under these special circumstances but the SNP will start to be judged on their governance at the next Holyrood elections and expending their efforts in Govt through whinging about Westminster has a limited life.
Seems wee Jimmie Krankie wants Scotland to not be in a free trade area / customs union with its most important market (by a long way). How odd!
She seems to be in some sort of denial about Brexit when the idea of Scotland getting a differential deal is rejected throughout Europe.
The process will grind on for months/years but ultimately the divorce settlement will be between the EU and UK.
Following that settlement Nicola Sturgeon will be left with accepting the deal or holding a new referendum
We don't yet know what constitutional cards she holds within the UK. Wait for the Supreme Court to speak before coming to conclusions.
You do make a valid point but it seems to be accepted that Scotland will not have a veto - we will see but in the circumstances that Scotland cannot veto the A50 do you agree with my comments
They don't have a veto, but they may be able to force Westminster to overrule them, which would create a constitutional crisis for the devolution settlement and undermine the basis on which Scotland voted to stay in the Union.
Then Theresa May should grant the OK for a second referendum on Independence
I believe that a second referendum would fail again and I am sure Nicola Sturgeon deep down knows this.
I was a supporter of Sindie at the 1st referendum but that should have settled it for 20+ years. A 2nd referendum would be on the basis of a "we want to stay/rejoin the EU for circa 10% of our trade and put at risk circa 80% of our trade (with rUK)". Completely unsaleable.
Did/do you have a vote?
Graham Norton may have strong opinions on what is sexually desirable in a woman, and very interesting they'd be, I'm sure.
It must be galling for PB's Scotch experts that an unemployed 17 year old in Easterhouse has more agency in this matter than all of them put together.
On the contrary Mr Divvie, we are cheering you on from the sidelines. Only next time, please arrange for the majority of Scots to vote for leave. Personally I would be delighted to toast your success, but with that in mind telling everyone that you are not being treated like a serious country, when the majority of Scots voted recently not to be treated like a serious country does seem to weaken your arguments a tad.
Why would rejoining the EU make trade with rUK harder?
I'm talking specifically about the politics and votes for a second independence referendum. Though I have to say if rUK is out of the single market and Scotland is in it, there would be a severe shock to the Scottish economy as around 70-80% of non-oil trade is with England and Wales.
It is also much much easier for business to relocate itself from Scotland to rUK. Which the SNP's new approach to "more tax" will influence decisions well before any 2nd Sindie vote.
Why would rejoining the EU make trade with rUK harder?
I'm talking specifically about the politics and votes for a second independence referendum. Though I have to say if rUK is out of the single market and Scotland is in it, there would be a severe shock to the Scottish economy as around 70-80% of non-oil trade is with England and Wales.
It is also much much easier for business to relocate itself from Scotland to rUK. Which the SNP's new approach to "more tax" will influence decisions well before any 2nd Sindie vote.
Oo, is London about to become Scotland's second largest city as well as being France's sixth largest ?
Seems wee Jimmie Krankie wants Scotland to not be in a free trade area / customs union with its most important market (by a long way). How odd!
She seems to be in some sort of denial about Brexit when the idea of Scotland getting a differential deal is rejected throughout Europe.
The process will grind on for months/years but ultimately the divorce settlement will be between the EU and UK.
Following that settlement Nicola Sturgeon will be left with accepting the deal or holding a new referendum
We don't yet know what constitutional cards she holds within the UK. Wait for the Supreme Court to speak before coming to conclusions.
You do make a valid point but it seems to be accepted that Scotland will not have a veto - we will see but in the circumstances that Scotland cannot veto the A50 do you agree with my comments
They don't have a veto, but they may be able to force Westminster to overrule them, which would create a constitutional crisis for the devolution settlement and undermine the basis on which Scotland voted to stay in the Union.
Then Theresa May should grant the OK for a second referendum on Independence
I believe that a second referendum would fail again and I am sure Nicola Sturgeon deep down knows this.
I was a supporter of Sindie at the 1st referendum but that should have settled it for 20+ years. A 2nd referendum would be on the basis of a "we want to stay/rejoin the EU for circa 10% of our trade and put at risk circa 80% of our trade (with rUK)". Completely unsaleable.
Did/do you have a vote?
Graham Norton may have strong opinions on what is sexually desirable in a woman, and very interesting they'd be, I'm sure.
It must be galling for PB's Scotch experts that an unemployed 17 year old in Easterhouse has more agency in this matter than all of them put together.
On the contrary Mr Divvie, we are cheering you on from the sidelines. Only next time, please arrange for the majority of Scots to vote for leave. Personally I would be delighted to toast your success, but with that in mind telling everyone that you are not being treated like a serious country, when the majority of Scots voted recently not to be treated like a serious country does seem to weaken your arguments a tad.
On the contrary to what? You seem to have replied to another post entirely.
Jack Jones stood as National Socialist in 1918 according to wikipedia.
Jack Jones enjoyed being funded by USSR. Some patriotic folk would regard him as a traitor.
And Mr Don Brind's 'political hero'. A memorable PB thread header.
For lovers of political trivia: apparently, according an article by Richard Toye in 21st history journal, Jones bought an end to MPs using latin quotations as he would shout out “That is the winner of the two-thirty” at every quote.
Yes there is a case under these special circumstances but the SNP will start to be judged on their governance at the next Holyrood elections and expending their efforts in Govt through whinging about Westminster has a limited life.
The argument for independence doesn't depend on the performance of the SNP in government. People might just as well want the chance to install Ruth Davidson as PM of an independent country.
On the contrary to what? You seem to have replied to another post entirely.
It is in no way galling that the 17 year old in Easterhouse has more agency, more power to his vote, I just hope he and his fellows put the cross in the right box so we have to put up with less mithering, and because of the endless popcorn opportunities that will avail when Scotland has to take full responsibility for its own budget... and it's own debts.
The thing is, no-one, Leaver or Remainer is trying to make the best of Brexit. Remainers fold their arms and say, nothing to do with us. Leavers variously that it will all be great, no need to discuss ; or blaming others for thwarting the project. None of these three attitudes are recipes for success.
A consensus can only happen if all parties accept that Brexit will go ahead, that it will be very messy, and that it's up to us to deal with the mess and that for the foreseeable period our efforts are devoted entirely to formally leaving the EU while limiting the damage as much as possible.
The politics acts against that consensus unfortunately. Vote for us to make the most of the bad job you voted for, isn't a compelling call to action.
I would love to see Remainers shape the future of our country - that is after all what leaving the EU is about. The supremacy of British law and British government policy. But there is no actual looking forward from them. There's remoaning, and their only strategem for the future seems to be to rejoin anything and everything we can that limits British autonomy. I don't actually think they want it to work. This is the issue. They claim to be the adults in the room - so why the huge sulk?
Sums it up well. The problem is how many of these types of Remainers are also in the cabinet? Hammond is one and Rudd another. I suspect it may make up half the cabinet.
Yes. And possibly that mistress of mystique Ms. May.
If she does not come out in January with a clear set of aims and principles for Brexit, then she will lack the vision to drive us forward. Gordon Brown also was a dithering, controller of detail with no vision.
Yes. I have (a little) more sympathy with her than with him, because he had controlled the economy that then crumbled on his watch.
On the contrary to what? You seem to have replied to another post entirely.
It is in no way galling that the 17 year old in Easterhouse has more agency, more power to his vote, I just hope he and his fellows put the cross in the right box so we have to put up with less mithering, and because of the endless popcorn opportunities that will avail when Scotland has to take full responsibility for its own budget... and it's own debts.
Ah right. Perhaps, having acknowledged you haven't the slightest influence (& fckall insight on the evidence) in this area, you could expend your time on the large number of alternative subjects upon which you doubtless have opinions. Of course whether those opinions lack influence or insight will be for others to judge.
Graham Norton may have strong opinions on what is sexually desirable in a woman, and very interesting they'd be, I'm sure.
It must be galling for PB's Scotch experts that an unemployed 17 year old in Easterhouse has more agency in this matter than all of them put together.
I count myself in that number, and despite having a vote and having lived in Scotland for 3 years at the time of the ref, did not vote as I felt it was a matter for the Scottish people.
And I don't find it galling in the slightest that a young person from Glasgow has a vote, why on earth would I? You seem determined to unearth some anglo-fascist conspiracy in English people's views on Scottish separation, where in actuality all there is is bemusement bordering on frustration.
It seems the Berlin Police are saying they're not sure whether or not they have the right person. They're not saying they definitely have the wrong man.
On the contrary to what? You seem to have replied to another post entirely.
It is in no way galling that the 17 year old in Easterhouse has more agency, more power to his vote, I just hope he and his fellows put the cross in the right box so we have to put up with less mithering, and because of the endless popcorn opportunities that will avail when Scotland has to take full responsibility for its own budget... and it's own debts.
Ah right. Perhaps, having acknowledged you haven't the slightest influence (& fckall insight on the evidence) in this area, you could expend your time on the large number of alternative subjects upon which you doubtless have opinions. Of course whether those opinions lack influence or insight will be for others to judge.
If you don't wish anyone outside Scotland (or perhaps even those who are not Scottish?) to engage you on this topic, why do you post on it?
It seems the Berlin Police are saying they're not sure whether or not they have the right person. They're not saying they definitely have the wrong man.
If they have, some of our more forthright posters might soon be feeling like Wile E Coyote just past the edge of the cliff as Road Runner points down. Still, there's no fun in not rushing to judgement.
Totally off topic: In 2016, the highest recorded temperature figures were broken for the Maldives and for Alderney. In both locations the new record is 35degC.
Somehow, I would have expected the Maldives figure to be way higher than for a spec in the Emglish Channel.
British Virgin Islands also set a new record. Also 35degC.
Totally off topic: In 2016, the highest recorded temperature figures were broken for the Maldives and for Alderney. In both locations the new record is 35degC.
Somehow, I would have expected the Maldives figure to be way higher than for a spec in the Emglish Channel.
British Virgin Islands also set a new record. Also 35degC.
I guess the temperature in the Maldives is limited by the fact that once it gets to a certain temperature you will get a lot of cloud develop followed by a thunderstorm.
Seems wee Jimmie Krankie wants Scotland to not be in a free trade area / customs union with its most important market (by a long way). How odd!
She seems to be in some sort of denial about Brexit when the idea of Scotland getting a differential deal is rejected throughout Europe.
The process will grind on for months/years but ultimately the divorce settlement will be between the EU and UK.
Following that settlement Nicola Sturgeon will be left with accepting the deal or holding a new referendum
We don't yet know what constitutional cards she holds within the UK. Wait for the Supreme Court to speak before coming to conclusions.
You do make a valid point but it seems to be accepted that Scotland will not have a veto - we will see but in the circumstances that Scotland cannot veto the A50 do you agree with my comments
They don't have a veto, but they may be able to force Westminster to overrule them, which would create a constitutional crisis for the devolution settlement and undermine the basis on which Scotland voted to stay in the Union.
Then Theresa May should grant the OK for a second referendum on Independence
I believe that a second referendum would fail again and I am sure Nicola Sturgeon deep down knows this.
I was a supporter of Sindie at the 1st referendum but that should have settled it for 20+ years. A 2nd referendum would be on the basis of a "we want to stay/rejoin the EU for circa 10% of our trade and put at risk circa 80% of our trade (with rUK)". Completely unsaleable.
It being a choice of EU vs UK also leaves the "proper" independence crowd out in the cold. There are a lot of people who voted Yes last time that also voted Leave, it won't be possible to win any independence referendum without them, if they don't turn up or vote No to avoid the EU then I don't see how Yes could possibly win.
Presumably they would still vote 'Indy' and then, if successful, try to install in a government not committed to EU entry (or committed to EU withdrawal). Such options would no doubt be available.
On the contrary to what? You seem to have replied to another post entirely.
It is in no way galling that the 17 year old in Easterhouse has more agency, more power to his vote, I just hope he and his fellows put the cross in the right box so we have to put up with less mithering, and because of the endless popcorn opportunities that will avail when Scotland has to take full responsibility for its own budget... and it's own debts.
Ah right. Perhaps, having acknowledged you haven't the slightest influence (& fckall insight on the evidence) in this area, you could expend your time on the large number of alternative subjects upon which you doubtless have opinions. Of course whether those opinions lack influence or insight will be for others to judge.
Possibly you could point to where I have ever given an opinion on Scottish politics, other than wishing you well and looking forward to the opportunities for political entertainment that follow ?
Incidentally. We are told endlessly here that the UK is going to have to put up with whatever the EU offers us because we want to leave, and they have more money and a larger market than us, so eventually we are going to have to do what they want. Strange I never hear the same suggestion made regarding Scotland and the UK ?
Not much in the way of Christmas spirit and bonhomie on here today.
When do we start the christmas truce and get the football out?
When we stop getting thread headers that advertise themselves as olive branches and tail off into foam flecked insults. And with the tantalising promise of a non-'conciliatory' sequel.
On the contrary to what? You seem to have replied to another post entirely.
It is in no way galling that the 17 year old in Easterhouse has more agency, more power to his vote, I just hope he and his fellows put the cross in the right box so we have to put up with less mithering, and because of the endless popcorn opportunities that will avail when Scotland has to take full responsibility for its own budget... and it's own debts.
Ah right. Perhaps, having acknowledged you haven't the slightest influence (& fckall insight on the evidence) in this area, you could expend your time on the large number of alternative subjects upon which you doubtless have opinions. Of course whether those opinions lack influence or insight will be for others to judge.
If you don't wish anyone outside Scotland (or perhaps even those who are not Scottish?) to engage you on this topic, why do you post on it?
Individuals get the level of engagement they deserve afaic.
On the contrary to what? You seem to have replied to another post entirely.
It is in no way galling that the 17 year old in Easterhouse has more agency, more power to his vote, I just hope he and his fellows put the cross in the right box so we have to put up with less mithering, and because of the endless popcorn opportunities that will avail when Scotland has to take full responsibility for its own budget... and it's own debts.
Ah right. Perhaps, having acknowledged you haven't the slightest influence (& fckall insight on the evidence) in this area, you could expend your time on the large number of alternative subjects upon which you doubtless have opinions. Of course whether those opinions lack influence or insight will be for others to judge.
If you don't wish anyone outside Scotland (or perhaps even those who are not Scottish?) to engage you on this topic, why do you post on it?
Maybe there is a relation to virtue-signalling ? Bitterness-signalling perhaps ?
It seems the Berlin Police are saying they're not sure whether or not they have the right person. They're not saying they definitely have the wrong man.
If they have, some of our more forthright posters might soon be feeling like Wile E Coyote just past the edge of the cliff as Road Runner points down. Still, there's no fun in not rushing to judgement.
Says the man that screams about what a disaster brexit is going to be before the first vote hit the bottom of the ballot box.
Seems wee Jimmie Krankie wants Scotland to not be in a free trade area / customs union with its most important market (by a long way). How odd!
She seems to be in some sort of denial about Brexit when the idea of Scotland getting a differential deal is rejected throughout Europe.
The process will grind on for months/years but ultimately the divorce settlement will be between the EU and UK.
Following that settlement Nicola Sturgeon will be left with accepting the deal or holding a new referendum
We don't yet know what constitutional cards she holds within the UK. Wait for the Supreme Court to speak before coming to conclusions.
You do make a valid point but it seems to be accepted that Scotland will not have a veto - we will see but in the circumstances that Scotland cannot veto the A50 do you agree with my comments
They don't have a veto, but they may be able to force Westminster to overrule them, which would create a constitutional crisis for the devolution settlement and undermine the basis on which Scotland voted to stay in the Union.
Then Theresa May should grant the OK for a second referendum on Independence
I believe that a second referendum would fail again and I am sure Nicola Sturgeon deep down knows this.
I was a supporter of Sindie at the 1st referendum but that should have settled it for 20+ years. A 2nd referendum would be on the basis of a "we want to stay/rejoin the EU for circa 10% of our trade and put at risk circa 80% of our trade (with rUK)". Completely unsaleable.
Did/do you have a vote?
Graham Norton may have strong opinions on what is sexually desirable in a woman, and very interesting they'd be, I'm sure.
It must be galling for PB's Scotch experts that an unemployed 17 year old in Easterhouse has more agency in this matter than all of them put together.
I was amused by the Irish minister after the Brexit vote who affected profound offense that Ireland's interests hadn't been taken into account or even considered in the vote. Independence isn't always all it's cracked up to be and while a 17 year old in Easterhouse might have a vote, it doesn't necessarily mean that he is the master of his own destiny.
On the contrary to what? You seem to have replied to another post entirely.
It is in no way galling that the 17 year old in Easterhouse has more agency, more power to his vote, I just hope he and his fellows put the cross in the right box so we have to put up with less mithering, and because of the endless popcorn opportunities that will avail when Scotland has to take full responsibility for its own budget... and it's own debts.
Ah right. Perhaps, having acknowledged you haven't the slightest influence (& fckall insight on the evidence) in this area, you could expend your time on the large number of alternative subjects upon which you doubtless have opinions. Of course whether those opinions lack influence or insight will be for others to judge.
If you don't wish anyone outside Scotland (or perhaps even those who are not Scottish?) to engage you on this topic, why do you post on it?
Maybe there is a relation to virtue-signalling ? Bitterness-signalling perhaps ?
I think it's a little break from Bella Caledonia or whatever God-awful scotnat echo-chamber he normally posts in - you must lose brain cells by the second in places like that. At the same time he gets to try and rile up the Tories. Only when someone actually forms a contradictory reply the ball gets taken away because they're not Scottish enough.
Totally off topic: In 2016, the highest recorded temperature figures were broken for the Maldives and for Alderney. In both locations the new record is 35degC.
Somehow, I would have expected the Maldives figure to be way higher than for a spec in the Emglish Channel.
British Virgin Islands also set a new record. Also 35degC.
Ooh. Just three more and they can launch a petition.
The only place I'd like to place my boot is right up the jacksy of the moronic idiots that are leading our country down the toilet.....
Happy Christmas though to my fellow Remainers....
Brexit wankers....I hope you burn your turkey
A fine pair we make. Your rant and froth about Remaining from the comfort of your chichi Italian cafe as you enjoy your next ristretto, and admire the pretty signorinas on the pavement. While I wave flags for Leave from a tropical island in Asia as I watch the pretty filipinas surfing. I still resent you though because your coffee is almost certainly better than mine is.
That said, it does smack of succession-planning (not unreasonably: the Queen and Duke of Edinburgh are, between them, patrons of more than a thousand charities and it makes sense to redistribute them over a period rather than it be forced all at once).
Despite being a grumpy tosspot on here today, I genuinely wish all PBers, especially those I normally spar with, a wonderful and restful Christmas, and every success and happiness in the New Year.
Though I am not one of them, I can understand a lot of people feeling shaken and even distressed by events this year. Hopefully Christmas will give some breathing space and a chance to see 2017 in a more optimistic hue.
Best wishes to all the gamblers, both leave and remain.
It has certainly been a year for betting! Perhaps we should summarise our annual results?
I had a long-term bet on May for PM, and also a lot on Leave to win, which sustained me through my stubborn refusal to put money on Trump until a last minute switch in the early hours of election night (stemmed some of the losses).
So my bet of the year was May (although had that on file for three years).
Seems wee Jimmie Krankie wants Scotland to not be in a free trade area / customs union with its most important market (by a long way). How odd!
She seems to be in some sort of denial about Brexit when the idea of Scotland getting a differential deal is rejected throughout Europe.
The process will grind on for months/years but ultimately the divorce settlement will be between the EU and UK.
Following that settlement Nicola Sturgeon will be left with accepting the deal or holding a new referendum
We don't yet know what constitutional cards she holds within the UK. Wait for the Supreme Court to speak before coming to conclusions.
You do make a valid point but it seems to be accepted that Scotland will not have a veto - we will see but in the circumstances that Scotland cannot veto the A50 do you agree with my comments
They don't have a veto, but they may be able to force Westminster to overrule them, which would create a constitutional crisis for the devolution settlement and undermine the basis on which Scotland voted to stay in the Union.
Then Theresa May should grant the OK for a second referendum on Independence
I believe that a second referendum would fail again and I am sure Nicola Sturgeon deep down knows this.
I was a supporter of Sindie at the 1st referendum but that should have settled it for 20+ years. A 2nd referendum would be on the basis of a "we want to stay/rejoin the EU for circa 10% of our trade and put at risk circa 80% of our trade (with rUK)". Completely unsaleable.
Did/do you have a vote?
an unemployed 17 year old in Easterhouse
Well, if you will bring up the SNP's education record.......
Despite being a grumpy tosspot on here today, I genuinely wish all PBers, especially those I normally spar with, a wonderful and restful Christmas, and every success and happiness in the New Year.
Though I am not one of them, I can understand a lot of people feeling shaken and even distressed by events this year. Hopefully Christmas will give some breathing space and a chance to see 2017 in a more optimistic hue.
Trump and the whole US circus has been good to me this year (& When you add in Brexit...). I can't see past Fillon for France now to be perfectly honest.
@luckyguy1983 "When we stop getting thread headers that advertise themselves as olive branches and tail off into foam flecked insults. And with the tantalising promise of a non-'conciliatory' sequel."
Indeed. Most notably the implied idea that the desire of most Leavers for some sort of restriction on large scale economic migration from say Lithuania somehow crosses a moral line such that the very concept becomes "disgusting" in the mind of Remainers, or the reference to the "ravings that Leavers have in store for the country". I instinctively back away from engaging on the topic of the thread when it is introduced in such terms. PB can do better than that.
He is standing up to some deeply held French shibboleths regarding pay, pensions and the working week. Its a risk, but he looks like a winner to me from Les Republicans primaries.
Winners that take some political risks are often well rewarded, it reminds me a bit of Trump's destruction of the entire Bush-Iraq sacred cow in South Carolina
the population of Lithuania has dropped by over 20% in the last 25 years. I'm still waiting to hear how us helping empty their country is in their interest.
"He was a non-nutter who had undergone treatment for mental health issues. Apparently we're supposed to believe that these mental health issues had all been resolved by the time he took it upon himself to go and murder a member of parliament. Clearly a sign of a clean bill of health."
You can have mental health issues without being a "nutter". See depression, for example.
Deliberately targeting someone or a group of people in order to kill them is not the act of a "normal" person.
The issue in law over whether mental illness is the cause of a crime is over whether the person understands the consequences. It is perfectly possible to be a murderer while depressed.
The Jo Cox killer clearly understood what he was doing. He was not a nutter in that respect.
Following on from our discussions yesterday on NewcastleGateshead and the greater Tyneside area, i'll give you another example of how the current system is wasteful and inefficient.
At the moment, Newcastle City Council have a relatively small council tax base to upkeep and promote the city of Newcastle. The city centre being the city centre of not just Newcastle residents, but also the residents of North Tyneside, South Tyneside, Gateshead and also South Northumberland.
The other councils spend a lot of money trying to compete with Newcastle city centre which is not only a futile task but also a massive waste of resources and detrimental to the area as a whole.
It would be much better for the area if there is a greater Tyneside region, based on the banks of the Tyne on the Gateshead side where decisions can be made for the benefit of all: improving the Metro and other transport as an example and a priority.
I am very passionate about this. Greater London is the model.
@luckyguy1983 "When we stop getting thread headers that advertise themselves as olive branches and tail off into foam flecked insults. And with the tantalising promise of a non-'conciliatory' sequel."
Indeed. Most notably the implied idea that the desire of most Leavers for some sort of restriction on large scale economic migration from say Lithuania somehow crosses a moral line such that the very concept becomes "disgusting" in the mind of Remainers, or the reference to the "ravings that Leavers have in store for the country". I instinctively back away from engaging on the topic of the thread when it is introduced in such terms. PB can do better than that.
Indeed Mr Wulfrun, the only thing disgusting going on is the posturing. The intellectual bankruptcy of suggesting it is in some way horrific to have large scale restrictions on immigration from Eastern Europe, but perfectly acceptable from most of Africa or Asia is visible for all to see.
I'm so glad that pb's Leavers are secure in the belief that politicians that have made it their life's work to foment alienation against immigrants bear no indirect responsibility for the killing of an elected representative who stood against such beliefs. It must be a relief not to have that on your conscience.
Then you, as someone who supports Mrs Merkel's actions, have the blood of 12 Germans on your hands. This eventuality was pointed out on here and elsewhere on numerous occasions. Yet we were belittled and patronised by you and others like you as racist or not having a heart.
No, now is the time for people like you to keep quiet, on Brexit, on Islamic migration and on terrorism. You've been wrong on every single point and shouting down opposition by calling anyone who disagrees a racist is why we are where we are and countless people in Europe have died needlessly or had serious injuries from terrorist acts.
On the contrary, its people like Meeks and their shrill and monotonous heckling that won the referendum for LEAVE. There is nothing on the whole as effective as describing someone as a racist, small minded, little Englander to spur them on to the polling booth, especially from the lips of someone that has done well enough in life to be able to benefit from the advantages, and avoid the disadvantages of mass immigration.
That would be the mass immigration from outside the EU, whose numbers since 1997 dwarf any due to freedom of movement within the EU?
What does that matter when Germany are encouraging non EU immigration en masse with no checks?
SeanT I feel like they are trying to protect Merkel, and as you said yesterday about how the media in Germany is they will get away with it. Once you control the media thats it you controll the masses.
Best wishes to all the gamblers, both leave and remain.
It has certainly been a year for betting! Perhaps we should summarise our annual results?
I had a long-term bet on May for PM, and also a lot on Leave to win, which sustained me through my stubborn refusal to put money on Trump until a last minute switch in the early hours of election night (stemmed some of the losses).
So my bet of the year was May (although had that on file for three years).
Worst punt of year: Jeb Bush.
Fun bet of year: Ed Balls for Strictly.
Prediction for 2017: Le Pen is President.
Best bet of the year: Lay Hillary Clinton for president. However at rubbish odds and this was lucky rather than inspired.
Worst bet of the year: Gifty to win the X-Factor. Only a trading bet, but still.
Prediction for 2017: Len Goodman to be new president of France, Marine Le Pen to head UNITE and Len McCluskey to be the new Ed Balls on Strictly.
Happy Christmas one and all. Despite the high point of being re-elected back in May, I'm another who's had a difficult 2016 while watching an unrelenting picture of grim in the news this year. Hoping 2017 might be rosier all round.
P.S. Saw German TV round up of the year last night. Big section on Brexit as you might guess, but it made it look like the Nigel Farage and Boris Johnson show - edited to suggest they were best mates if not brothers. I wonder if the world is seeing Nigel Farage when Boris comes to town? I hadn't realised quite how they were seen, if this show was at all typical.
I'm so glad that pb's Leavers are secure in the belief that politicians that have made it their life's work to foment alienation against immigrants bear no indirect responsibility for the killing of an elected representative who stood against such beliefs. It must be a relief not to have that on your conscience.
Then you, as someone who supports Mrs Merkel's actions, have the blood of 12 Germans on your hands. This eventuality was pointed out on here and elsewhere on numerous occasions. Yet we were belittled and patronised by you and others like you as racist or not having a heart.
No, now is the time for people like you to keep quiet, on Brexit, on Islamic migration and on terrorism. You've been wrong on every single point and shouting down opposition by calling anyone who disagrees a racist is why we are where we are and countless people in Europe have died needlessly or had serious injuries from terrorist acts.
On the contrary, its people like Meeks and their shrill and monotonous heckling that won the referendum for LEAVE. There is nothing on the whole as effective as describing someone as a racist, small minded, little Englander to spur them on to the polling booth, especially from the lips of someone that has done well enough in life to be able to benefit from the advantages, and avoid the disadvantages of mass immigration.
That would be the mass immigration from outside the EU, whose numbers since 1997 dwarf any due to freedom of movement within the EU?
What does that matter when Germany are encouraging non EU immigration en masse with no checks?
No checks? They're rejecting hundreds of thousands of applications and Merkel is promising 'repatriation, repatriation, repatriation'. Even if she doesn't do this, these people have no legal way of getting to the UK.
I'm so glad that pb's Leavers are secure in the belief that politicians that have made it their life's work to foment alienation against immigrants bear no indirect responsibility for the killing of an elected representative who stood against such beliefs. It must be a relief not to have that on your conscience.
Then you, as someone who supports Mrs Merkel's actions, have the blood of 12 Germans on your hands. This eventuality was pointed out on here and elsewhere on numerous occasions. Yet we were belittled and patronised by you and others like you as racist or not having a heart.
No, now is the time for people like you to keep quiet, on Brexit, on Islamic migration and on terrorism. You've been wrong on every single point and shouting down opposition by calling anyone who disagrees a racist is why we are where we are and countless people in Europe have died needlessly or had serious injuries from terrorist acts.
On the contrary, its people like Meeks and their shrill and monotonous heckling that won the referendum for LEAVE. There is nothing on the whole as effective as describing someone as a racist, small minded, little Englander to spur them on to the polling booth, especially from the lips of someone that has done well enough in life to be able to benefit from the advantages, and avoid the disadvantages of mass immigration.
That would be the mass immigration from outside the EU, whose numbers since 1997 dwarf any due to freedom of movement within the EU?
What does that matter when Germany are encouraging non EU immigration en masse with no checks?
No checks? They're rejecting hundreds of thousands of applications and Merkel is promising 'repatriation, repatriation, repatriation'. Even if she doesn't do this, these people have no legal way of getting to the UK.
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Ink Tank Media
Great to see Mary on keyboard and Joseph on vocals for a change. https://t.co/1Plboqfcue
Why would rejoining the EU make trade with rUK harder?
So personally I have no problem with the call for another referendum on Scotland. I suspect they will lose again but we live in interesting times so I don't think anyone can be certain of that.
There are those Leavers who want out of the common market and customs union too and others preferring to stay in a trading community. There are those Remainers who dislike some features of the EU, but believe it is repairable, and those who believe in a federal or united Europe with a single government. But it was a binary vote.
If we had a referendum about capital punishment, we'd have different groups too. Some would be completely against (I'd be in that category), some would be in favour only for specified groups (child murders or something) and some would be in favour for all murders.
The referendum question would have to be simple ... For or Against. I'd vote against but if it were carried, I'd be disappointed, but I'd accept the result. That's why I don't quite understand the viewpoint of the small proportion of the population who don't believe in democracy.
The referendum was in the Conservative manifesto. They won the GE according to the rules. The question was binary (as is usual). Leave won.
We will be leaving (details to be negotiated), Let's make the best of it.
Happy Birthday, Miss Plato!
Being fifty is not so bad, and Saga Holidays can actually be rather good.
The actual perpetrator is armed and at large and can do further damage
German police have arrested the wrong man. Suspect is still at large and dangerous - German newspaper Die Welt sources
Well done Der Plod.... well done.
It must be galling for PB's Scotch experts that an unemployed 17 year old in Easterhouse has more agency in this matter than all of them put together.
Boris beware!
Perhaps, having acknowledged you haven't the slightest influence (& fckall insight on the evidence) in this area, you could expend your time on the large number of alternative subjects upon which you doubtless have opinions. Of course whether those opinions lack influence or insight will be for others to judge.
And I don't find it galling in the slightest that a young person from Glasgow has a vote, why on earth would I? You seem determined to unearth some anglo-fascist conspiracy in English people's views on Scottish separation, where in actuality all there is is bemusement bordering on frustration.
Somehow, I would have expected the Maldives figure to be way higher than for a spec in the Emglish Channel.
British Virgin Islands also set a new record. Also 35degC.
When do we start the christmas truce and get the football out?
"Queen steps down as patron of children's charities"
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-38380285
His disappointment started at the fourth word.
Incidentally. We are told endlessly here that the UK is going to have to put up with whatever the EU offers us because we want to leave, and they have more money and a larger market than us, so eventually we are going to have to do what they want. Strange I never hear the same suggestion made regarding Scotland and the UK ?
When do we start the christmas truce and get the football out?
@Rottenborough
The only place I'd like to place my boot is right up the jacksy of the moronic idiots that are leading our country down the toilet.....
Happy Christmas though to my fellow Remainers....
Brexit wankers....I hope you burn your turkey
Best wishes to all the gamblers, both leave and remain.
Though I am not one of them, I can understand a lot of people feeling shaken and even distressed by events this year. Hopefully Christmas will give some breathing space and a chance to see 2017 in a more optimistic hue.
I had a long-term bet on May for PM, and also a lot on Leave to win, which sustained me through my stubborn refusal to put money on Trump until a last minute switch in the early hours of election night (stemmed some of the losses).
So my bet of the year was May (although had that on file for three years).
Worst punt of year: Jeb Bush.
Fun bet of year: Ed Balls for Strictly.
Prediction for 2017: Le Pen is President.
https://twitter.com/AFP/status/811198731739627520
Indeed. Most notably the implied idea that the desire of most Leavers for some sort of restriction on large scale economic migration from say Lithuania somehow crosses a moral line such that the very concept becomes "disgusting" in the mind of Remainers, or the reference to the "ravings that Leavers have in store for the country". I instinctively back away from engaging on the topic of the thread when it is introduced in such terms. PB can do better than that.
He is standing up to some deeply held French shibboleths regarding pay, pensions and the working week. Its a risk, but he looks like a winner to me from Les Republicans primaries.
Winners that take some political risks are often well rewarded, it reminds me a bit of Trump's destruction of the entire Bush-Iraq sacred cow in South Carolina
the population of Lithuania has dropped by over 20% in the last 25 years. I'm still waiting to hear how us helping empty their country is in their interest.
The Jo Cox killer clearly understood what he was doing. He was not a nutter in that respect.
At the moment, Newcastle City Council have a relatively small council tax base to upkeep and promote the city of Newcastle. The city centre being the city centre of not just Newcastle residents, but also the residents of North Tyneside, South Tyneside, Gateshead and also South Northumberland.
The other councils spend a lot of money trying to compete with Newcastle city centre which is not only a futile task but also a massive waste of resources and detrimental to the area as a whole.
It would be much better for the area if there is a greater Tyneside region, based on the banks of the Tyne on the Gateshead side where decisions can be made for the benefit of all: improving the Metro and other transport as an example and a priority.
I am very passionate about this. Greater London is the model.
Evening Standard
Incredible first-person account of photographer who captured these pictures https://t.co/eQDtl0vSEF https://t.co/r35TTH7uua
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T-reEOxzJCE
Worst bet of the year: Gifty to win the X-Factor. Only a trading bet, but still.
Prediction for 2017: Len Goodman to be new president of France, Marine Le Pen to head UNITE and Len McCluskey to be the new Ed Balls on Strictly.
Happy Christmas one and all. Despite the high point of being re-elected back in May, I'm another who's had a difficult 2016 while watching an unrelenting picture of grim in the news this year. Hoping 2017 might be rosier all round.
P.S. Saw German TV round up of the year last night. Big section on Brexit as you might guess, but it made it look like the Nigel Farage and Boris Johnson show - edited to suggest they were best mates if not brothers. I wonder if the world is seeing Nigel Farage when Boris comes to town? I hadn't realised quite how they were seen, if this show was at all typical.