That Brendan Cox tweet is in apalling taste. He should be the one calling for others to allow her to rest, not using her himself as a some sort of twitter clapback.
Thank goodness Nige has decided to take the high road.
That Brendan Cox tweet is in apalling taste. He should be the one calling for others to allow her to rest, not using her himself as a some sort of twitter clapback.
Thank goodness Nige has decided to take the high road.
Anyone who uses something as tragic and truly wicked as the brutal murder of their own wife as some sort of zinger against their political opponents on social media has pretty much forgone any right to immunity from political points being made. He sounds truly deranged. Nigel has, as I recall, been physically assaulted by members of Hope not hate, so no doubt he feels strongly about this issue.
That Brendan Cox tweet is in apalling taste. He should be the one calling for others to allow her to rest, not using her himself as a some sort of twitter clapback.
I thought he was doing the opposite. Pointing out that Farage was making political capital out of terrorism. Though I'd rather neither of them said anything. This is something that happened in Berlin and beyond offering sympathy I don't think outsiders should be get involved.
When I'm drinking my Bonaparte Brandy Eating more than enough mince xmas pies Will I glance at my screen and see real human beings, mown to death Right in front of my eyes
Original was by Gilbert Osullivan - Nothing Rhymed
Morris Dancer - as you punted the ludicrous hyperbole yesterday that Gtr Manchester getting a mayor would lead the the "Balkanisation of England", forgive me if I fail to take your pronouncements on constitutional matters seriously
"That Brendan Cox tweet is in apalling taste. He should be the one calling for others to allow her to rest, not using her himself as a some sort of twitter clapback."
With all due respect, that's bollocks. He has every right to an opinion and every right to express it. That it may be uncomfortable to some is by the by. Obviously, he should also expect kick-back. People can decide whose view they wish to subscribe to.
That Brendan Cox tweet is in apalling taste. He should be the one calling for others to allow her to rest, not using her himself as a some sort of twitter clapback.
Thank goodness Nige has decided to take the high road.
Anyone who uses something as tragic and truly wicked as the brutal murder of their own wife as some sort of zinger against their political opponents on social media has pretty much forgone any right to immunity from political points being made. He sounds truly deranged. Nigel has, as I recall, been physically assaulted by members of Hope not hate, so no doubt he feels strongly about this issue.
Using the death of your wife as a campaign tool for Brexit was sick enough. The less we hear from that alleged groper the better methinks.
"Anyone who uses something as tragic and truly wicked as the brutal murder of their own wife as some sort of zinger against their political opponents on social media has pretty much forgone any right to immunity from political points being made."
Why? Cox's wife was an MP murdered by a political extremist who blamed politicians for what he saw as the betrayal of the British people. He has every right to make the connection.
That Brendan Cox tweet is in apalling taste. He should be the one calling for others to allow her to rest, not using her himself as a some sort of twitter clapback.
Thank goodness Nige has decided to take the high road.
Anyone who uses something as tragic and truly wicked as the brutal murder of their own wife as some sort of zinger against their political opponents on social media has pretty much forgone any right to immunity from political points being made. He sounds truly deranged. Nigel has, as I recall, been physically assaulted by members of Hope not hate, so no doubt he feels strongly about this issue.
Using the death of your wife as a campaign tool for Brexit was sick enough. The less we hear from that alleged groper the better methinks.
Germany’s interior ministry has ordered all Christmas markets in Germany to remain closed today, citing ‘in memory of victims of last night’s attack’ Be honest, it’s a security precaution.
Germany’s interior ministry has ordered all Christmas markets in Germany to remain closed today, citing ‘in memory of victims of last night’s attack’ Be honest, it’s a security precaution.
That's rubbish, I'd have them all open and hold a candle light vigil. Extra security and concrete barriers. We can't let them win.
Germany’s interior ministry has ordered all Christmas markets in Germany to remain closed today, citing ‘in memory of victims of last night’s attack’ Be honest, it’s a security precaution.
That's rubbish, I'd have them all open and hold a candle light vigil. Extra security and concrete barriers. We can't let them win.
Quite agree Max, - it’s total capitulation, the terrorists have won. Meanwhile, - “We must assume it was a terrorist attack”, says Merkel. – NSSherlock.
Germany’s interior ministry has ordered all Christmas markets in Germany to remain closed today, citing ‘in memory of victims of last night’s attack’ Be honest, it’s a security precaution.
That's rubbish, I'd have them all open and hold a candle light vigil. Extra security and concrete barriers. We can't let them win.
Quite agree Max, - it’s total capitulation, the terrorists have won. Meanwhile, - “We must assume it was a terrorist attack”, says Merkel. – NSSherlock.
Many Germans have become so gun-shy, they're more scared of saying the 'wrong thing' than preserving their own well-being.
Jo Cox may have been murdered by that man whether there was a referendum or not. No one was warning against having a referendum in case MPs got killed.
The people who died yesterday in Germany would still have been alive had Merkel not invited "refugees" from the Middle East into Germany.
Farage warned time and again that Merkels decision invited this kind of atrocity, of course he is going to cite it as evidence he was right... because he was and this proves it.
Germany’s interior ministry has ordered all Christmas markets in Germany to remain closed today, citing ‘in memory of victims of last night’s attack’ Be honest, it’s a security precaution.
That's rubbish, I'd have them all open and hold a candle light vigil. Extra security and concrete barriers. We can't let them win.
Quite agree Max, - it’s total capitulation, the terrorists have won. Meanwhile, - “We must assume it was a terrorist attack”, says Merkel. – NSSherlock.
I remember a few ill advised comments from a German person I know telling me that Britain would become the number one target if we didn't allow in the migrants like Germany had. That by letting the millions in they would be invulnerable to terrorism. I haven't got the heart to remind him of those comments today, but definitely at some point.
@Morris_Dancer More what you can do with a big float to be perfectly honest. Have way more in Betfir than normal due to the POTUS payouts (Not entirely finished)... I just don't see how England can win this match in a million years, yet people want them at 1000-1 ?
"Germany’s interior ministry has ordered all Christmas markets in Germany to remain closed today, citing ‘in memory of victims of last night’s attack’ Be honest, it’s a security precaution."
The German authorities always seem to make the wrong decision.
"Using the death of your wife as a campaign tool for Brexit was sick enough. The less we hear from that alleged groper the better methinks."
Isn't it awful when people say things that you do not want to hear?
Mr Cox has touched a raw nerve.
By comparing two different situations and trying to draw a false equivalence?
1. A nutter kills an MP and says "Britain First".
2. Mrs Merkel invites a million or more "refugees" into Germany and one of them has commited a terrorist attack as many people predicted would happen. Had Mrs Merkel not invited the migrants this would not have occured.
"Don't worry, I'm coming back to what Leavers, including sovereigntist Leavers, should do next in my next thread header. I wouldn't get too comfortable in your chair, it's going to be no more palatable for those Leavers than this thread is for Remainers. "
or you could just not bother and try to add a bit of seasonal goodwill to the site
My heart sank at yet another Brexit Humbug thread. I saw the title and thought it'd be about yesterday's rash of terror incidents - and the various political reactions to it. Alas not.
On a cheerful note - today is my birthday!
Happy Returns to any others celebrating theirs today.
Mr. Max, they're not. But it's easier to try and say "the far right is just as bad" than address the problem of extremism on the fringes of Islam, or acknowledge the obvious idiocy (lambasted pretty much universally here the moment it happened) of Merkel's migrant madness.
It's quite similar to the gun debate in America. Ideology trumps body count.
Mr. Pulpstar, my Betfair account's been anaemic for ages. Had a weird run where almost all my Ladbrokes bets came off and the Betfair ones failed.
"Using the death of your wife as a campaign tool for Brexit was sick enough. The less we hear from that alleged groper the better methinks."
Isn't it awful when people say things that you do not want to hear?
Mr Cox has touched a raw nerve.
By comparing two different situations and trying to draw a false equivalence?
1. A nutter kills an MP and says "Britain First".
2. Mrs Merkel invites a million or more "refugees" into Germany and one of them has commited a terrorist attack as many people predicted would happen. Had Mrs Merkel not invited the migrants this would not have occured.
How are those two situations anything alike?
Jo Cox's killer wasn't a nutter. He was convicted of murder, not manslaughter. He was a politically motivated murderer.
From the Judge's comments to Thomas Mair when sentencing him:
You affect to be a patriot. The words you uttered repeatedly when you killed her give lip service to that concept. Those sentiments can be legitimate and can have resonance but in your mouth, allied to your actions, they are tainted and made toxic. It is clear from your internet and other researches that your inspiration is not love of country or your fellow citizens, it is an admiration for Nazism, and similar anti-democratic white supremacist creeds where democracy and political persuasion are supplanted by violence towards and intimidation of opponents and those who, in whatever ways, are thought to be different and, for that reason, open to persecution.
Germany’s interior ministry has ordered all Christmas markets in Germany to remain closed today, citing ‘in memory of victims of last night’s attack’ Be honest, it’s a security precaution.
That's rubbish, I'd have them all open and hold a candle light vigil. Extra security and concrete barriers. We can't let them win.
Quite agree Max, - it’s total capitulation, the terrorists have won. Meanwhile, - “We must assume it was a terrorist attack”, says Merkel. – NSSherlock.
Many Germans have become so gun-shy, they're more scared of saying the 'wrong thing' than preserving their own well-being. It's self-harm.
"Many Germans have become so gun-shy" They take it to an extreme when investing in their own defence vs Russia. A very dangerous policy.
"Using the death of your wife as a campaign tool for Brexit was sick enough. The less we hear from that alleged groper the better methinks."
Isn't it awful when people say things that you do not want to hear?
Mr Cox has touched a raw nerve.
By comparing two different situations and trying to draw a false equivalence?
1. A nutter kills an MP and says "Britain First".
2. Mrs Merkel invites a million or more "refugees" into Germany and one of them has commited a terrorist attack as many people predicted would happen. Had Mrs Merkel not invited the migrants this would not have occured.
How are those two situations anything alike?
Jo Cox's killer wasn't a nutter. He was convicted of murder, not manslaughter. He was a politically motivated murderer.
And it still isn't the same. He was already here, and a British citizen. This man in Germany was invited by the Chancellor and came to commit acts of violence against the people. If she hadn't invited him then those people would still be alive.
"Jo Cox's killer wasn't a nutter. He was convicted of murder, not manslaughter. He was a politically motivated murderer."
In my book all those who commit cold-blooded murder have some kind of a screw loose. To deliberately target someone or a group of people and then to take their lives requires a way of looking at the world that is not normal. So, I am not surprised that Mair had mental health issues. But then I would be very surprised if the person who committed the Berlin atrocity was not sixpence short of a shilling too.
From the Judge's comments to Thomas Mair when sentencing him:
You affect to be a patriot. The words you uttered repeatedly when you killed her give lip service to that concept. Those sentiments can be legitimate and can have resonance but in your mouth, allied to your actions, they are tainted and made toxic. It is clear from your internet and other researches that your inspiration is not love of country or your fellow citizens, it is an admiration for Nazism, and similar anti-democratic white supremacist creeds where democracy and political persuasion are supplanted by violence towards and intimidation of opponents and those who, in whatever ways, are thought to be different and, for that reason, open to persecution.
It's still not the same, not even close to being the same. Simple question, if Mrs Merkel hadn't invited all those migrants would this attack have taken place, it's a yes or no question.
"Jo Cox's killer wasn't a nutter. He was convicted of murder, not manslaughter. He was a politically motivated murderer."
In my book all those who commit cold-blooded murder have some kind of a screw loose. To deliberately target someone or a group of people and then to take their lives requires a way of looking at the world that is not normal. So, I am not surprised that Mair had mental health issues. But then I would be very surprised if the person who committed the Berlin atrocity was not sixpence short of a shilling too.
"What Alastair Cook feels about this and how it influences his decision about his future as captain I'm not sure. Supporters knew this would be a tough series. England were undermanned and underpowered, but they would have wanted some fight today to not lose this match to show character, but I think fans will be upset by this and the manner of the defeat."
"Jo Cox's killer wasn't a nutter. He was convicted of murder, not manslaughter. He was a politically motivated murderer."
In my book all those who commit cold-blooded murder have some kind of a screw loose. To deliberately target someone or a group of people and then to take their lives requires a way of looking at the world that is not normal. So, I am not surprised that Mair had mental health issues. But then I would be very surprised if the person who committed the Berlin atrocity was not sixpence short of a shilling too.
"It's still not the same, not even close to being the same. Simple question, if Mrs Merkel hadn't invited all those migrants would this attack have taken place, it's a yes or no question."
Obviously not by the person who did it. Whether it would still have happened, though, is unknowable. Most of the terrorist attacks we have seen in Europe over recent years have been committed by EU nationals, not refugees.
Clearly, though, Merkel will have to live with and justify her decision to open Germany's borders until her dying day; and the German people have every right to pass political judgement on her. Just as Brendan Cox has every right to point out that blaming politicians for the acts of extremists can have consequences.
"From that YouGov poll, Remainers clearly accept that the vote was won through Leave campaigning on immigration. The ability to place restrictions on freedom of movement from the EU is therefore a democratic necessity"
This is psychological projection - "let's give the Leave side what we Remainers think they want". Why not instead concede what the Leavers say they want, which is national democratic self-determination (if we believe Ashcroft's poll). That self-determination includes deciding for ourselves what immigration we want - that is all that taking back control means here.
Remainers are so locked into this racism/xenophobia projection that they still can't bear to attend to the range of arguments that Leave actually put forward.
It would be undemocratic for Remainers to believe, as they clearly do, that the vote was won on immigration and not accept controls on freedom of movement, even if they deplore them or the way they think the argument was framed. Don't worry, I'm coming back to what Leavers, including sovereigntist Leavers, should do next in my next thread header. I wouldn't get too comfortable in your chair, it's going to be no more palatable for those Leavers than this thread is for Remainers.
Mr Meeks. Since you clearly have no comprehension of what really influences and motivates Leavers or their lives, it would be best if you avoided trying to tell Leavers what to do. Your infamous and hilarious attempts at writing advice for Leavers during the campaign can hardly be topped for setting a high bar in being out of touch with most voters. All those articles setting out why LEAVE would lose..... How can you top that? Except just to admit, for once, that you got it completely wrong?
Mr. Observer, a man who enters a country with the intent of committing murder isn't a refugee. He's isn't running from danger or persecution, he's running to cause it.
"What Alastair Cook feels about this and how it influences his decision about his future as captain I'm not sure. Supporters knew this would be a tough series. England were undermanned and underpowered, but they would have wanted some fight today to not lose this match to show character, but I think fans will be upset by this and the manner of the defeat."
Pure mental capitulation. If you can get near 500, and the opposition near 800 (With a 300 being made near the end of day 4) then the pitch is good enough to bat out day 5 on.
"Mr. Observer, a man who enters a country with the intent of committing murder isn't a refugee. He's isn't running from danger or persecution, he's running to cause it."
Good luck to Scotland - invited directly by Juncker to speak to Brussels despite PB Leaver wishful thinking. Brexit is a complete shambles. A void. The sensible parts of the UK that voted to Remain have no incentive nor responsibility to help effect it.
Obviously, the hard core Remainers have the option of turning themselves into a Lost Cause Society, but I would have thought it's generally preferable to get half a loaf, rather than no loaf at all.
"It's still not the same, not even close to being the same. Simple question, if Mrs Merkel hadn't invited all those migrants would this attack have taken place, it's a yes or no question."
Obviously not by the person who did it. Whether it would still have happened, though, is unknowable. Most of the terrorist attacks we have seen in Europe over recent years have been committed by EU nationals, not refugees.
Clearly, though, Merkel will have to live with and justify her decision to open Germany's borders until her dying day; and the German people have every right to pass political judgement on her. Just as Brendan Cox has every right to point out that blaming politicians for the acts of extremists can have consequences.
Not all, the Nice attacker was from Tunisia, the Paris terrorists were migrants and those who had returned from Syria. The German who ended up only blowing himself up was a migrant. Mrs Merkel invited these people to Germany (and by extension, Europe) without any kind of checks or vetting, now we are seeing the results. If she had even the slightest shred of honour she would resign today and let someone else fix the almighty mess she has created.
Mr. Observer, a man who enters a country with the intent of committing murder isn't a refugee. He's isn't running from danger or persecution, he's running to cause it.
That's not necessarily true, if the main goal is to escape from danger or persecution and he intends to cause persecution as well, he'd still be a refugee.
I'm not saying we should be nice to this hypothetical person, but words have meanings.
In February 2016 a 15-year-old girl identified as Safia S stabbed a policeman at Hamburg’s central station, stating she was operating on behalf of Isis.
In June three Syrians were arrested in Düsseldorf, charged with planning a terror attack. In July a man who was registered as a 17-year-old refugee from Afghanistan stabbed passengers on a train in Duisburg, seriously injuring four tourists from Hong Kong.
A few days later a 27-year-old Syrian in Ansbach at a music festival detonated an explosive vest, killing himself and injuring 15 people.
It had felt that Germany had been spared the worst type of attacks seen in France and Belgium, until tonight.
There are no plausible definition of Terrorism that doesn't fit Thomas Mair. He murdered an elected official during a referendum campaign and targeted her for her political views. He made political slogans during the murder. He had a history of far right political activism and cited far right views during his trial. A trial that found him fully culpable of the murder. He was not a " nutter ".
To deny the Jo Cox killing was Terrorism is at best specious and at worst the most blatant and cynical hypocracy. Thomas Mair was white, British and therefore presumably " Christian ". So he can't be a terrorist as they are all Brown. Setting aside the biggest terrorist threat we've faced recently was the IRA it's just racist denial. Terrorists can't be people like me. Perhaps the " White Community " should be more vocal in denouncing White terrorism and help root out extremism in White communities ?
Putting it that starkly shows the cultural " collective punishment " of vast groups to be what it is racism and xenophobia.
And this links neatly with Mr Meeks nuanced and conciliatory thread header. There can be no reconciliation on Brexit now, and possibly ever. Because it's become a Kulturkampf and it suits too many partisans on both sides to stop fighting. The same thing that see grotesque ambulance chasing hate peddlers on here salivating at the right sort of terrorism attack so they can go on Islamophobic and Xenophobic rants while ignoring identical crimes in similar contexts.
Brexit is a political arguement framed largely around identity. It's not going away as an issue because the underlying identities and the crises they face aren't going away.
The thing is, no-one, Leaver or Remainer is trying to make the best of Brexit. Remainers fold their arms and say, nothing to do with us. Leavers variously that it will all be great, no need to discuss ; or blaming others for thwarting the project. None of these three attitudes are recipes for success.
A consensus can only happen if all parties accept that Brexit will go ahead, that it will be very messy, and that it's up to us to deal with the mess and that for the foreseeable period our efforts are devoted entirely to formally leaving the EU while limiting the damage as much as possible.
The politics acts against that consensus unfortunately. Vote for us to make the most of the bad job you voted for, isn't a compelling call to action.
I would love to see Remainers shape the future of our country - that is after all what leaving the EU is about. The supremacy of British law and British government policy. But there is no actual looking forward from them. There's remoaning, and their only strategem for the future seems to be to rejoin anything and everything we can that limits British autonomy. I don't actually think they want it to work. This is the issue. They claim to be the adults in the room - so why the huge sulk?
@MaxPB - As far as I know (could be wrong), the Nice and Paris attackers were EU citizens and did not come to Europe as a result of Merkel opening the door to refugees.
"Pure mental capitulation. If you can get near 500, and the opposition near 800 (With a 300 being made near the end of day 4) then the pitch is good enough to bat out day 5 on."
Par score in India is whatever England make plus 200.
We have a current population of 60-odd million, and some will be very odd - killers, nutters of all varieties and general bad 'uns.
However to invite a million or so of predominantly young males from a region which is troubled, and contains a high proportion of those who may be radicalised, could be described as unwise - unless you screen them well.
That may be the issue. For once, Cameron had both the moral high ground and common sense on his side. Select them from camps and make them welcome is the political move. Merkel gains Brownie points for a kind heart but loses politically. It's no use complaining now.
Mr. Observer, a man who enters a country with the intent of committing murder isn't a refugee. He's isn't running from danger or persecution, he's running to cause it.
Went in to a meeting just before tea... come out and we've done what we do so well...
No tests until July at least but Sir Geoff and his smug 'it was never going to be 5-0' after the first test showed he was taken in more than most, we won how many of the tosses too?
There are no plausible definition of Terrorism that doesn't fit Thomas Mair. He murdered an elected official during a referendum campaign and targeted her for her political views. He made political slogans during the murder. He had a history of far right political activism and cited far right views during his trial. A trial that found him fully culpable of the murder. He was not a " nutter ".
To deny the Jo Cox killing was Terrorism is at best specious and at worst the most blatant and cynical hypocracy. Thomas Mair was white, British and therefore presumably " Christian ". So he can't be a terrorist as they are all Brown. Setting aside the biggest terrorist threat we've faced recently was the IRA it's just racist denial. Terrorists can't be people like me. Perhaps the " White Community " should be more vocal in denouncing White terrorism and help root out extremism in White communities ?
He was a non-nutter who had undergone treatment for mental health issues. Apparently we're supposed to believe that these mental health issues had all been resolved by the time he took it upon himself to go and murder a member of parliament. Clearly a sign of a clean bill of health.
@MaxPB - As far as I know (could be wrong), the Nice and Paris attackers were EU citizens and did not come to Europe as a result of Merkel opening the door to refugees.
"Brexit is a political argument framed largely around identity. It's not going away as an issue because the underlying identities and the crises they face aren't going away."
Agree with this. But identity is a moveable feast. The way people see themselves and their country can change. It has done so in the past and it will do so again. What it takes to get beyond Brexit is leadership and understanding. An acceptance by both sides that compromise is needed. As a Remainer, I may not like it, but clearly a large part of the Leave vote was predicated on the idea of reducing immigration from other EU member states. For me, that is regrettable because it will clearly lead to my current rights as a British and EU citizen being curtailed, while it will probably also cause economic harm to the UK overall; but it is what it is. As a Remainer, I can either stand on the sidelines and let the most rabid Leavers set the agenda, or I can become part of the conversation in order to try to mitigate some of the negative consequences of pulling out of the Single Market. I think the latter route is the most productive and also the one that is most likely to heal the country's wounds - and that is something we all need.
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https://twitter.com/asabenn/status/811140161987866624
Was going to withdraw but amazingly enough able to lay the entire balance on England...
Eating more than enough mince xmas pies
Will I glance at my screen and see real human beings, mown to death
Right in front of my eyes
Original was by Gilbert Osullivan - Nothing Rhymed
With all due respect, that's bollocks. He has every right to an opinion and every right to express it. That it may be uncomfortable to some is by the by. Obviously, he should also expect kick-back. People can decide whose view they wish to subscribe to.
Why? Cox's wife was an MP murdered by a political extremist who blamed politicians for what he saw as the betrayal of the British people. He has every right to make the connection.
Quite.
6 wickests should have been plenty to get through until the final hour.
Remind me how well Labour's 'kill nationalism stone dead' Scottish devolution is going?
His wife's dead was political. She was deliberately targeted and killed by someone who hated her politics.
Meanwhile, - “We must assume it was a terrorist attack”, says Merkel. – NSSherlock.
Isn't it awful when people say things that you do not want to hear?
It's self-harm.
The people who died yesterday in Germany would still have been alive had Merkel not invited "refugees" from the Middle East into Germany.
Farage warned time and again that Merkels decision invited this kind of atrocity, of course he is going to cite it as evidence he was right... because he was and this proves it.
Aneurin Bevan? - Though I'd assume that description didn't have the connotations it acquired, at the time.
The German authorities always seem to make the wrong decision.
1. A nutter kills an MP and says "Britain First".
2. Mrs Merkel invites a million or more "refugees" into Germany and one of them has commited a terrorist attack as many people predicted would happen. Had Mrs Merkel not invited the migrants this would not have occured.
How are those two situations anything alike?
What time is close of play?
It's quite similar to the gun debate in America. Ideology trumps body count.
Mr. Pulpstar, my Betfair account's been anaemic for ages. Had a weird run where almost all my Ladbrokes bets came off and the Betfair ones failed.
Poor old Thomas Mair had obviously just reached his personal 'breaking point'.
From the Judge's comments to Thomas Mair when sentencing him:
You affect to be a patriot. The words you uttered repeatedly when you killed her give lip service to that concept. Those sentiments can be legitimate and can have resonance but in your mouth, allied to your actions, they are tainted and made toxic.
It is clear from your internet and other researches that your inspiration is not love of country or your fellow citizens, it is an admiration for Nazism, and similar anti-democratic white supremacist creeds where democracy and political persuasion are supplanted by violence towards and intimidation of opponents and those who, in whatever ways, are thought to be different and, for that reason, open to persecution.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-38076755
I will enjoy the final 3 months of my relative youth!
In my book all those who commit cold-blooded murder have some kind of a screw loose. To deliberately target someone or a group of people and then to take their lives requires a way of looking at the world that is not normal. So, I am not surprised that Mair had mental health issues. But then I would be very surprised if the person who committed the Berlin atrocity was not sixpence short of a shilling too.
"What Alastair Cook feels about this and how it influences his decision about his future as captain I'm not sure.
Supporters knew this would be a tough series. England were undermanned and underpowered, but they would have wanted some fight today to not lose this match to show character, but I think fans will be upset by this and the manner of the defeat."
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/live/cricket/37789694
Obviously not by the person who did it. Whether it would still have happened, though, is unknowable. Most of the terrorist attacks we have seen in Europe over recent years have been committed by EU nationals, not refugees.
Clearly, though, Merkel will have to live with and justify her decision to open Germany's borders until her dying day; and the German people have every right to pass political judgement on her. Just as Brendan Cox has every right to point out that blaming politicians for the acts of extremists can have consequences.
I agree.
I'm not saying we should be nice to this hypothetical person, but words have meanings.
In February 2016 a 15-year-old girl identified as Safia S stabbed a policeman at Hamburg’s central station, stating she was operating on behalf of Isis.
In June three Syrians were arrested in Düsseldorf, charged with planning a terror attack.
In July a man who was registered as a 17-year-old refugee from Afghanistan stabbed passengers on a train in Duisburg, seriously injuring four tourists from Hong Kong.
A few days later a 27-year-old Syrian in Ansbach at a music festival detonated an explosive vest, killing himself and injuring 15 people.
It had felt that Germany had been spared the worst type of attacks seen in France and Belgium, until tonight.
And many good wishes to those who've kindly noticed.
I'm 50! Oddly, this is better than being 40. I found that technically past-it without the prestige of being old
To deny the Jo Cox killing was Terrorism is at best specious and at worst the most blatant and cynical hypocracy. Thomas Mair was white, British and therefore presumably " Christian ". So he can't be a terrorist as they are all Brown. Setting aside the biggest terrorist threat we've faced recently was the IRA it's just racist denial. Terrorists can't be people like me. Perhaps the " White Community " should be more vocal in denouncing White terrorism and help root out extremism in White communities ?
Putting it that starkly shows the cultural " collective punishment " of vast groups to be what it is racism and xenophobia.
And this links neatly with Mr Meeks nuanced and conciliatory thread header. There can be no reconciliation on Brexit now, and possibly ever. Because it's become a Kulturkampf and it suits too many partisans on both sides to stop fighting. The same thing that see grotesque ambulance chasing hate peddlers on here salivating at the right sort of terrorism attack so they can go on Islamophobic and Xenophobic rants while ignoring identical crimes in similar contexts.
Brexit is a political arguement framed largely around identity. It's not going away as an issue because the underlying identities and the crises they face aren't going away.
Par score in India is whatever England make plus 200.
However to invite a million or so of predominantly young males from a region which is troubled, and contains a high proportion of those who may be radicalised, could be described as unwise - unless you screen them well.
That may be the issue. For once, Cameron had both the moral high ground and common sense on his side. Select them from camps and make them welcome is the political move. Merkel gains Brownie points for a kind heart but loses politically. It's no use complaining now.
No tests until July at least but Sir Geoff and his smug 'it was never going to be 5-0' after the first test showed he was taken in more than most, we won how many of the tosses too?
Happy birthday. 50? Bah! You're just a flibbertijibbet of a girl.
Happy Birthday.
Agree with this. But identity is a moveable feast. The way people see themselves and their country can change. It has done so in the past and it will do so again. What it takes to get beyond Brexit is leadership and understanding. An acceptance by both sides that compromise is needed. As a Remainer, I may not like it, but clearly a large part of the Leave vote was predicated on the idea of reducing immigration from other EU member states. For me, that is regrettable because it will clearly lead to my current rights as a British and EU citizen being curtailed, while it will probably also cause economic harm to the UK overall; but it is what it is. As a Remainer, I can either stand on the sidelines and let the most rabid Leavers set the agenda, or I can become part of the conversation in order to try to mitigate some of the negative consequences of pulling out of the Single Market. I think the latter route is the most productive and also the one that is most likely to heal the country's wounds - and that is something we all need.