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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,002
    @JosiasJessop

    I'd love to be a fly on the wall if/when Elon Musk meets President Donald J Trump !

    "Ok We'll give you the contract, but you're going to have to rename it all the "Trump Dragon" etc"
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    Pulpstar said:

    Trump will build the wall, obviously Mexico isn't going to wire the funds directly for it.

    Rubio and Cruz both supported a wall as well, and there exists a half baked one anyway. Netanyahu has shown that a wall is well possible too. I expect Trump to get along "the best" with Ben.

    There's not going to be a wall like the one people picture, it would far exceed the US's infrastructure capability, that's assuming to other infrastructure projects.

    It will probably be more money for the broader patrols, new sections in one or two headline places, tougher rhetoric (and no route to citizenship).
    So not a big, tall beautiful, powerful wall? File alongside £350million/week to the NHS.

    "Mercifully for Mexico, Trump – who has been dogged by accusations of underpaying or failing to pay suppliers throughout his real estate career – has promised to “build it very inexpensively”. He claims the total cost will reach between $10-12 billion, though the existing 650 miles of fencing has already cost the government more than $7 billion and a Washington Post study estimated the cost at around $25 billion.
    Spanning 1,989 miles (3,201 km) the US-Mexico border is the 10th longest land border in the world "
    http://www.ifsecglobal.com/donald-trumps-big-beautiful-powerful-wall-everything-you-need-to-know/
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    john_zimsjohn_zims Posts: 3,399
    @david_kendrick1

    'Maybe we can do a thread about the absurd things said about Trump?

    I've heard him criticised for 'never standing for any public office before'. I've no idea why that should be a negative.

    It does rather re-enforce the unattractive 'specialness' that pro-politicains feel about themselves. And probably contributed to his winning..'


    According to some TV interviews with voters,not being a politician was a big plus.

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    Scott_P said:

    @iainjwatson: Theresa May will talk to Donald Trump later today says Philip Hammond

    @BBCNormanS: The Govt has no "urgent business" to discuss with President Trump says Chancellor Philip Hammond

    Back of the queue...

    Poor news management from Hammond. Trump's presidency and the spectacularly good trade deal that will result is Farage's great gift to the British nation - shouldn't be sounding so dismissive.
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,148
    That 'skyscraper' visualisation showing the margin of victory in each state and comparing with 2012 was brilliant. I'd love to see something similar for UK constituencies.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,002
    Trump has one luxury we don't

    The US Dollar is still considered the world's reserve currency.

    The pound is definitely NOT.
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    eekeek Posts: 25,029
    PClipp said:

    taffys said:

    "Build the wall." "No." "BUILD THE F*CKIN' WALL!" "NO!"

    Trump's......er.....Trump card is remittances. Mexican Americans send USD25bn a year south, if I remember correctly.

    How much do American companies based in Mexico send north?
    One of Trumps continual promises regarding NAFTA was the fact its allowed so many jobs that used to be in the USA to be moved south of the border... I think he's continually pointed at General Motors / Ford as examples...
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    PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383

    That Morning Joe clip is great.

    In a funny way I think Trump's absolute contempt for the media actually contributed to the poor job they did in covering the election. They were so keen to retaliate by painting him as a loser and instead they painted themselves into a corner where they were cut off from their audience.

    Formerly known as readers...
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    Pulpstar said:

    @JosiasJessop

    I'd love to be a fly on the wall if/when Elon Musk meets President Donald J Trump !

    "Ok We'll give you the contract, but you're going to have to rename it all the "Trump Dragon" etc"

    OK, we'll do that - and you can have the first ride!
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    AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670

    When is New Hampshire paying out then?

    Can Lay Republicans for 250 on Betfair.
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,148
    PlatoSaid said:

    That Morning Joe clip is great.

    In a funny way I think Trump's absolute contempt for the media actually contributed to the poor job they did in covering the election. They were so keen to retaliate by painting him as a loser and instead they painted themselves into a corner where they were cut off from their audience.

    Formerly known as readers...
    At least I didn't say customers. ;) Actually I was referring to all news media.
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,994

    Scott_P said:

    @iainjwatson: Theresa May will talk to Donald Trump later today says Philip Hammond

    @BBCNormanS: The Govt has no "urgent business" to discuss with President Trump says Chancellor Philip Hammond

    Back of the queue...

    Poor news management from Hammond. Trump's presidency and the spectacularly good trade deal that will result is Farage's great gift to the British nation - shouldn't be sounding so dismissive.
    Agreed, the urgent business is Trump's recent election
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    AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    Michigan available at 1.02 Rep
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    MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 37,631
    eek said:

    PClipp said:

    taffys said:

    "Build the wall." "No." "BUILD THE F*CKIN' WALL!" "NO!"

    Trump's......er.....Trump card is remittances. Mexican Americans send USD25bn a year south, if I remember correctly.

    How much do American companies based in Mexico send north?
    One of Trumps continual promises regarding NAFTA was the fact its allowed so many jobs that used to be in the USA to be moved south of the border... I think he's continually pointed at General Motors / Ford as examples...
    Ford announced 9000 job losses in the US during the election cycle, jobs that would shift to Mexico.
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    taffystaffys Posts: 9,753
    ''Poor news management from Hammond. ''

    I notice the same people who were chastising May for wishing Trump good luck are now wailing about him not calling us.

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    Pulpstar said:

    That spreadsheet is very interesting

    You know how we all thought Virginia was looking harder for Clinton on the night than it should have done.

    Well in the end it actually swung TOWARDS her.

    That indicates a widening rural/urban divide in voting loyalties within the USA.

    Also Florida.

    For an operation with supposedly no ground game, the pan handle GOP certainly knew it was crucial for them to get out and vote.

    After experience with LAB at GE2015 and now HRC on Tuesday I've come to view that bragging about your ground game is a sure sign of a loser.

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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,148
    MaxPB said:

    eek said:

    PClipp said:

    taffys said:

    "Build the wall." "No." "BUILD THE F*CKIN' WALL!" "NO!"

    Trump's......er.....Trump card is remittances. Mexican Americans send USD25bn a year south, if I remember correctly.

    How much do American companies based in Mexico send north?
    One of Trumps continual promises regarding NAFTA was the fact its allowed so many jobs that used to be in the USA to be moved south of the border... I think he's continually pointed at General Motors / Ford as examples...
    Ford announced 9000 job losses in the US during the election cycle, jobs that would shift to Mexico.
    You'd almost think they were on the Trump campaign payroll.
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    Mr. Glenn, Mr. Dawning, I agree any verdict on either Trump or our departure from the EU is premature.

    However, doomsayers were quite content to declare the result of the referendum a disaster the day after the vote...

    Also, I don't have time to read this (need to do work) but there's a chap who wants individuals in the UK to be able to be EU citizens:
    https://twitter.com/CharlesGoerens/status/796355854094188544
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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @BethRigby: It's telling isn't it that Trump 's spoken to 9 world leaders b4 May. Hardly front of queue Hammond gave good answer at presser, but still..
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    MaxPB said:

    eek said:

    PClipp said:

    taffys said:

    "Build the wall." "No." "BUILD THE F*CKIN' WALL!" "NO!"

    Trump's......er.....Trump card is remittances. Mexican Americans send USD25bn a year south, if I remember correctly.

    How much do American companies based in Mexico send north?
    One of Trumps continual promises regarding NAFTA was the fact its allowed so many jobs that used to be in the USA to be moved south of the border... I think he's continually pointed at General Motors / Ford as examples...
    Ford announced 9000 job losses in the US during the election cycle, jobs that would shift to Mexico.
    2000 GM jobs loses announced yesterday scheduled for start of 2017.
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    JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 39,091

    taffys said:

    "Earth sciences/Climatology" is going to be utterly demolished though.

    All sorts of jokes going around the web on the 'what do you say to a climate scientist - big mac and fries please' front

    BUt there's a serious point here. How much will Trump flay the 'worthy' economy that sucks billions out of the US tax payer. And could a conservative government here copy it?

    An anti-science stance will end up costing more.
    I doubt it, for various reasons. For one, it isn't anti-science. For another, the US are not the only people doing Earth science.

    As an aside, one US president (I think Johnson, though it might have been Eisenhower) said the Space Race had paid for itself in one way: the US military were constantly over-estimating the amount and capability of Soviet weapons systems. The new satellites disproved these claims, meaning that the US built far fewer planes, missiles and subs than they had planned.

    In fact, they proved that one type of plane only had a few in service, whilst the generals had thought there were multiple squadrons: at an Army Day parade the Russians had flown the same planes past again and again!
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    MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 37,631

    Pulpstar said:

    That spreadsheet is very interesting

    You know how we all thought Virginia was looking harder for Clinton on the night than it should have done.

    Well in the end it actually swung TOWARDS her.

    That indicates a widening rural/urban divide in voting loyalties within the USA.

    Also Florida.

    For an operation with supposedly no ground game, the pan handle GOP certainly knew it was crucial for them to get out and vote.

    After experience with LAB at GE2015 and now HRC on Tuesday I've come to view that bragging about your ground game is a sure sign of a loser.

    I think Jack's ARSE need recalibrating since he said the Dem ground game would add 1-2 points on the day. That would have swung PA, MI and WI.
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    PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383
    I thought this was rather interesting. The citizen journalist movement has had rocket boosters recently.

    I don't know if I agree with it, but it may keep some tempted to remain straight.

    https://youtu.be/sAUPZZVwEaY
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    Scott_P said:

    @BethRigby: It's telling isn't it that Trump 's spoken to 9 world leaders b4 May. Hardly front of queue Hammond gave good answer at presser, but still..

    Perhaps he thinks 'that Nigel guy' is the only Brit of any significance.
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    SimonStClareSimonStClare Posts: 7,976
    edited November 2016
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    MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 37,631

    MaxPB said:

    eek said:

    PClipp said:

    taffys said:

    "Build the wall." "No." "BUILD THE F*CKIN' WALL!" "NO!"

    Trump's......er.....Trump card is remittances. Mexican Americans send USD25bn a year south, if I remember correctly.

    How much do American companies based in Mexico send north?
    One of Trumps continual promises regarding NAFTA was the fact its allowed so many jobs that used to be in the USA to be moved south of the border... I think he's continually pointed at General Motors / Ford as examples...
    Ford announced 9000 job losses in the US during the election cycle, jobs that would shift to Mexico.
    2000 GM jobs loses announced yesterday scheduled for start of 2017.
    Moving to Mexico as well, I guess. As I said yesterday, kicking Mexico out of NAFTA gives the US industrial heartlands 20 years of breathing room at the expense of inflation, by then we may have figured out how to live in a world where a lot of jobs are going to be automated.
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    PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383
    Paul Joseph Watson
    TRUMPOCALYPSE HAS BEGUN! This is dreadful. https://t.co/HQIjbQBC5W

    "The rally in U.S. stocks faltered after the Dow Jones Industrial Average rose to an all-time high, as investors speculated gains sparked by assumptions for pro-business policies under Donald Trump went too far too quickly.
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    taffystaffys Posts: 9,753
    ''It's telling isn't it that Trump 's spoken to 9 world leaders b4 May. Hardly front of queue Hammond gave good answer at presser, but still.''

    Leaving two hundred or so world leaders who we spoke to before trump

    What a juvenile, brainless point, by one of many brainless, chattering parrot commentators who have got just about everything wrong in the past few years.
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,994
    edited November 2016
    Scott_P said:

    @BethRigby: It's telling isn't it that Trump 's spoken to 9 world leaders b4 May. Hardly front of queue Hammond gave good answer at presser, but still..

    Has he actually spoken to any leader from the G8? Maybe he's looking out for the forgotten nations of the world, as well as the forgotten people in the US. :p

    To answer my question, just Japan.
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    CD13CD13 Posts: 6,351
    Mr P,

    "It's telling isn't it that Trump 's spoken to 9 world leaders b4 May."

    How about your mate Farage? I bet Trump and he are besties.
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,994
    No, a map of counties always looks heavily Republican. This was in no way a landslide.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,002
    @MikeSmithsonPB Well I don't think having door knockers can hurt, but you need an overarching simple message, that is more important in today's world of social media than ever.

    "Yes we can"
    "Take back control"
    "Salmond's pocket"
    "Make America Great Again"
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 54,074
    edited November 2016
    taffys said:

    The pound's a bit better against the Euro today.

    I guess the latter's where the spotlight is going next viz -viz elections

    EURUSD has been in a very tight range (1.06-1.14) for a year.
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,148
    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    eek said:

    PClipp said:

    taffys said:

    "Build the wall." "No." "BUILD THE F*CKIN' WALL!" "NO!"

    Trump's......er.....Trump card is remittances. Mexican Americans send USD25bn a year south, if I remember correctly.

    How much do American companies based in Mexico send north?
    One of Trumps continual promises regarding NAFTA was the fact its allowed so many jobs that used to be in the USA to be moved south of the border... I think he's continually pointed at General Motors / Ford as examples...
    Ford announced 9000 job losses in the US during the election cycle, jobs that would shift to Mexico.
    2000 GM jobs loses announced yesterday scheduled for start of 2017.
    Moving to Mexico as well, I guess. As I said yesterday, kicking Mexico out of NAFTA gives the US industrial heartlands 20 years of breathing room at the expense of inflation, by then we may have figured out how to live in a world where a lot of jobs are going to be automated.
    Breathing room is the key.

    We need a return to political economy and away from econometrics. The understanding that globalisation is a positive in the long-term (and on some measure in the short-term too) needs to be combined with the wisdom that moving too fast undermines the stability of the whole system.
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,994

    MaxPB said:

    eek said:

    PClipp said:

    taffys said:

    "Build the wall." "No." "BUILD THE F*CKIN' WALL!" "NO!"

    Trump's......er.....Trump card is remittances. Mexican Americans send USD25bn a year south, if I remember correctly.

    How much do American companies based in Mexico send north?
    One of Trumps continual promises regarding NAFTA was the fact its allowed so many jobs that used to be in the USA to be moved south of the border... I think he's continually pointed at General Motors / Ford as examples...
    Ford announced 9000 job losses in the US during the election cycle, jobs that would shift to Mexico.
    2000 GM jobs loses announced yesterday scheduled for start of 2017.
    Wow, announced on election day or the day after? Talk about burying bad news.
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,148
    CD13 said:

    Mr P,

    "It's telling isn't it that Trump 's spoken to 9 world leaders b4 May."

    How about your mate Farage? I bet Trump and he are besties.

    I suspect Farage will end his days as a sad Walter Mitty figure, claiming to have been the éminence grise behind every significant event in his lifetime.
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    taffystaffys Posts: 9,753
    EURUSD has been in a very tight range (1.06-1.14) for a year.

    Indeed. Whilst I appreciate your points about trade flows, I'm not sure I'd want to be long EUR right now.

    The political calendar is such that its integrity will, at some juncture, come into question

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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 54,074
    PlatoSaid said:

    taffys said:

    "Build the wall." "No." "BUILD THE F*CKIN' WALL!" "NO!"

    Trump's......er.....Trump card is remittances. Mexican Americans send USD25bn a year south, if I remember correctly.

    Yup - that's what's apparently proposed.
    The thing is that's insanely circumvent-able, unless he's planning to prevent/tax all international money transfers. And bitcoin.
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    taffystaffys Posts: 9,753
    ''I suspect Farage will end his days as a sad Walter Mitty figure, claiming to have been the éminence grise behind every significant event in his lifetime. ''

    Like most other politicians, then...
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 54,074
    taffys said:

    "Earth sciences/Climatology" is going to be utterly demolished though.

    All sorts of jokes going around the web on the 'what do you say to a climate scientist - big mac and fries please' front

    BUt there's a serious point here. How much will Trump flay the 'worthy' economy that sucks billions out of the US tax payer. And could a conservative government here copy it?

    The first issue Trump faces is that his plans will lead - in the short term at least - to a massive increase in the US budget deficit. Congress will first need to authorise a massive increase in the debt ceiling.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,002
    rcs1000 said:

    PlatoSaid said:

    taffys said:

    "Build the wall." "No." "BUILD THE F*CKIN' WALL!" "NO!"

    Trump's......er.....Trump card is remittances. Mexican Americans send USD25bn a year south, if I remember correctly.

    Yup - that's what's apparently proposed.
    The thing is that's insanely circumvent-able, unless he's planning to prevent/tax all international money transfers. And bitcoin.
    For smart people like yourself, but surely the average Mexican worker will just be heading down to the local Western Union shop or using their website ?
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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,950
    Good afternoon PB from flight EK37, where thanks to modern technology i'm watching Trump's plane on CNN. :)

    Is it as cold in UK midlands as i'm expecting, having not been home in the winter for about five years?
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    CD13 said:

    Mr P,

    "It's telling isn't it that Trump 's spoken to 9 world leaders b4 May."

    How about your mate Farage? I bet Trump and he are besties.

    I suspect Farage will end his days as a sad Walter Mitty figure, claiming to have been the éminence grise behind every significant event in his lifetime.
    Erm certainly one and a little bit two I'd suggest. Certainly Brexit and a little bit Trump. He gave a super speech late in the trump campaign. Wow! Wow! Wow! was Trump's response as Farage got a massive applause. It will have motivated some to get their asses out of bed and vote Trump. The skyscraper graphic shows how very close things were. Our Nige may have made a difference.
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    PaganPagan Posts: 259

    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    eek said:

    PClipp said:

    taffys said:

    "Build the wall." "No." "BUILD THE F*CKIN' WALL!" "NO!"

    Trump's......er.....Trump card is remittances. Mexican Americans send USD25bn a year south, if I remember correctly.

    How much do American companies based in Mexico send north?
    One of Trumps continual promises regarding NAFTA was the fact its allowed so many jobs that used to be in the USA to be moved south of the border... I think he's continually pointed at General Motors / Ford as examples...
    Ford announced 9000 job losses in the US during the election cycle, jobs that would shift to Mexico.
    2000 GM jobs loses announced yesterday scheduled for start of 2017.
    Moving to Mexico as well, I guess. As I said yesterday, kicking Mexico out of NAFTA gives the US industrial heartlands 20 years of breathing room at the expense of inflation, by then we may have figured out how to live in a world where a lot of jobs are going to be automated.
    Breathing room is the key.

    We need a return to political economy and away from econometrics. The understanding that globalisation is a positive in the long-term (and on some measure in the short-term too) needs to be combined with the wisdom that moving too fast undermines the stability of the whole system.
    Globalisation on the whole is a good thing. The mistake is thinking that the only choice is between what we have now and protectionism. We could use globalisation to our advantage to bring manufacturing back to richer nations
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    MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 37,631
    rcs1000 said:

    PlatoSaid said:

    taffys said:

    "Build the wall." "No." "BUILD THE F*CKIN' WALL!" "NO!"

    Trump's......er.....Trump card is remittances. Mexican Americans send USD25bn a year south, if I remember correctly.

    Yup - that's what's apparently proposed.
    The thing is that's insanely circumvent-able, unless he's planning to prevent/tax all international money transfers. And bitcoin.
    I think transaction charges for money ending in Mexico.
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    EssexitEssexit Posts: 1,956
    taffys said:

    ''I suspect Farage will end his days as a sad Walter Mitty figure, claiming to have been the éminence grise behind every significant event in his lifetime. ''

    Like most other politicians, then...

    Although unlike any other politician I can think of bar Dan Hannan, Farage will have entered politics with one overriding aim and actually achieved it.
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    Sean_FSean_F Posts: 35,997

    Scott_P said:

    @BethRigby: It's telling isn't it that Trump 's spoken to 9 world leaders b4 May. Hardly front of queue Hammond gave good answer at presser, but still..

    Perhaps he thinks 'that Nigel guy' is the only Brit of any significance.
    That's why the government should ennoble Farage, and make him their special envoy to Washington. He's on close terms with the new administration.
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    JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 39,091
    Ooops,

    Got that last story wrong: it was Johnson talking about the 'missile gap'.

    My post was about the 'bomber gap'. A U2 flight saw twenty Bison Bombers on the ground at an airfield. US generals multiplied this by other airfields to claim that the Soviets had hundreds of Bisons available. Unfortunately, that U2 had caught the entire Russian fleet!
    Adding to the concerns was an infamous event in July 1955. At the Soviet Aviation Day demonstrations at the Tushino Airfield, ten Bison bombers were flown past the reviewing stand, then flew out of sight, quickly turned around, and flew past the stands again with eight more, presenting the illusion that there were 28 aircraft in the flyby. Western analysts extrapolated from the illusionary 28 aircraft, judging that by 1960 the Soviets would have 800.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bomber_gap
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,002
    Sean_F said:

    Scott_P said:

    @BethRigby: It's telling isn't it that Trump 's spoken to 9 world leaders b4 May. Hardly front of queue Hammond gave good answer at presser, but still..

    Perhaps he thinks 'that Nigel guy' is the only Brit of any significance.
    That's why the government should ennoble Farage, and make him their special envoy to Washington. He's on close terms with the new administration.
    Good idea tbh.
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    rcs1000 said:

    taffys said:

    "Earth sciences/Climatology" is going to be utterly demolished though.

    All sorts of jokes going around the web on the 'what do you say to a climate scientist - big mac and fries please' front

    BUt there's a serious point here. How much will Trump flay the 'worthy' economy that sucks billions out of the US tax payer. And could a conservative government here copy it?

    The first issue Trump faces is that his plans will lead - in the short term at least - to a massive increase in the US budget deficit. Congress will first need to authorise a massive increase in the debt ceiling.
    We know what he'll spend more on. We know less about where he'll cut. The EPA looks dead-dated. I suspect a bunch of public wasteful spending will quietly get pruned. The US public servant headcount (admin) is likely to fall sharply. QE showers may go in the direction of Main Street instead of Wall Street.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,002
    If anyone fancies cashing out of Michigan, I'll happily gobble any 1.02 on the GOP there.
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    taffystaffys Posts: 9,753
    We know what he'll spend more on. We know less about where he'll cut....

    Yep...
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    Sean_F said:

    Scott_P said:

    @BethRigby: It's telling isn't it that Trump 's spoken to 9 world leaders b4 May. Hardly front of queue Hammond gave good answer at presser, but still..

    Perhaps he thinks 'that Nigel guy' is the only Brit of any significance.
    That's why the government should ennoble Farage, and make him their special envoy to Washington. He's on close terms with the new administration.
    Unwise. May's going to have enough trouble preventing the Tories from blowing themselves asunder over Brexit. Last thing she'd need is Lord Farage adding to the mayhem.
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,994
    Pulpstar said:

    Sean_F said:

    Scott_P said:

    @BethRigby: It's telling isn't it that Trump 's spoken to 9 world leaders b4 May. Hardly front of queue Hammond gave good answer at presser, but still..

    Perhaps he thinks 'that Nigel guy' is the only Brit of any significance.
    That's why the government should ennoble Farage, and make him their special envoy to Washington. He's on close terms with the new administration.
    Good idea tbh.
    May would have to spend a lot of political capital on such an appointment.
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    AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    MaxPB said:

    Pulpstar said:

    That spreadsheet is very interesting

    You know how we all thought Virginia was looking harder for Clinton on the night than it should have done.

    Well in the end it actually swung TOWARDS her.

    That indicates a widening rural/urban divide in voting loyalties within the USA.

    Also Florida.

    For an operation with supposedly no ground game, the pan handle GOP certainly knew it was crucial for them to get out and vote.

    After experience with LAB at GE2015 and now HRC on Tuesday I've come to view that bragging about your ground game is a sure sign of a loser.

    I think Jack's ARSE need recalibrating since he said the Dem ground game would add 1-2 points on the day. That would have swung PA, MI and WI.
    Maybe the ground game did and without it it would have been a Trump low out.

    We won't know till the campaign tell all's come out
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,994
    Alistair said:

    MaxPB said:

    Pulpstar said:

    That spreadsheet is very interesting

    You know how we all thought Virginia was looking harder for Clinton on the night than it should have done.

    Well in the end it actually swung TOWARDS her.

    That indicates a widening rural/urban divide in voting loyalties within the USA.

    Also Florida.

    For an operation with supposedly no ground game, the pan handle GOP certainly knew it was crucial for them to get out and vote.

    After experience with LAB at GE2015 and now HRC on Tuesday I've come to view that bragging about your ground game is a sure sign of a loser.

    I think Jack's ARSE need recalibrating since he said the Dem ground game would add 1-2 points on the day. That would have swung PA, MI and WI.
    Maybe the ground game did and without it it would have been a Trump low out.

    We won't know till the campaign tell all's come out
    And the polls would have been even more wrong!
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,002
    The BBC would do well to rewatch CNN's coverage of the US election. It was absolutely brilliant & they could learn a thing or two from it.

    I hear Fox News was similiarly good.
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    Trump invites May to visit him as soon as possible.
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,994

    Trump invites May to visit him as soon as possible.

    I expect he'll get the full royal treatment here soon, too.
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    RobD said:

    No, a map of counties always looks heavily Republican. This was in no way a landslide.
    In fact, who got more votes?
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    Trump invites May to visit him as soon as possible.

    Memo to PM: if you see the president reach for the Tic Tacs, make sure that there's a table between you and him at all times.
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    Sean_FSean_F Posts: 35,997
    Alistair said:

    MaxPB said:

    Pulpstar said:

    That spreadsheet is very interesting

    You know how we all thought Virginia was looking harder for Clinton on the night than it should have done.

    Well in the end it actually swung TOWARDS her.

    That indicates a widening rural/urban divide in voting loyalties within the USA.

    Also Florida.

    For an operation with supposedly no ground game, the pan handle GOP certainly knew it was crucial for them to get out and vote.

    After experience with LAB at GE2015 and now HRC on Tuesday I've come to view that bragging about your ground game is a sure sign of a loser.

    I think Jack's ARSE need recalibrating since he said the Dem ground game would add 1-2 points on the day. That would have swung PA, MI and WI.
    Maybe the ground game did and without it it would have been a Trump low out.

    We won't know till the campaign tell all's come out
    ARSE has had a bit of a spanking, this year.

    One purpose of a good ground game is to report back, in timely manner, about where you're faltering, so that you can start putting in more resources. Given the narrowness with which Michigan, Wisconsin, and Pennsylvania were lost, (and with them, the election) somebody wasn't telling Clinton what she needed to hear.
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    Pulpstar said:

    Trump will build the wall, obviously Mexico isn't going to wire the funds directly for it.

    Rubio and Cruz both supported a wall as well, and there exists a half baked one anyway. Netanyahu has shown that a wall is well possible too. I expect Trump to get along "the best" with Ben.

    There's not going to be a wall like the one people picture, it would far exceed the US's infrastructure capability, that's assuming to other infrastructure projects.

    It will probably be more money for the broader patrols, new sections in one or two headline places, tougher rhetoric (and no route to citizenship).
    There is already a fence along a significant proportion...he could fill in the rest with a "wall" as stage 1 and then still be able to claim he built his wall.
    Has he thought about tunnels?
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 54,074
    eek said:

    PClipp said:

    taffys said:

    "Build the wall." "No." "BUILD THE F*CKIN' WALL!" "NO!"

    Trump's......er.....Trump card is remittances. Mexican Americans send USD25bn a year south, if I remember correctly.

    How much do American companies based in Mexico send north?
    One of Trumps continual promises regarding NAFTA was the fact its allowed so many jobs that used to be in the USA to be moved south of the border... I think he's continually pointed at General Motors / Ford as examples...
    It is in the interests of the United States that Mexico be as prosperous as possible. No wall (nor the Mediterranean) can protect you from the consequence of a failed state on your border. Sorting out the consequences of a disaster in Mexico (which, would of course, have massive negative impacts on the US financial system) is a lot more expensive than allowing the Mexicans to become richer through trade with the US.
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    JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 39,091
    Patrick said:

    rcs1000 said:

    taffys said:

    "Earth sciences/Climatology" is going to be utterly demolished though.

    All sorts of jokes going around the web on the 'what do you say to a climate scientist - big mac and fries please' front

    BUt there's a serious point here. How much will Trump flay the 'worthy' economy that sucks billions out of the US tax payer. And could a conservative government here copy it?

    The first issue Trump faces is that his plans will lead - in the short term at least - to a massive increase in the US budget deficit. Congress will first need to authorise a massive increase in the debt ceiling.
    We know what he'll spend more on. We know less about where he'll cut. The EPA looks dead-dated. I suspect a bunch of public wasteful spending will quietly get pruned. The US public servant headcount (admin) is likely to fall sharply. QE showers may go in the direction of Main Street instead of Wall Street.
    The problem with "public wasteful spending" is that waste is very much in the eye of the beholder. Whilst there are undoubtedly many wasteful schemes, others are deemed wasteful for political reasons when they fulfil a valuable purpose.

    However, this is a classic example of $349 million of waste:
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/sf/national/2014/12/15/nasas-349-million-monument-to-its-drift/
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,994

    Trump invites May to visit him as soon as possible.

    Memo to PM: if you see the president reach for the Tic Tacs, make sure that there's a table between you and him at all times.
    Don't worry, Farage has already offered to be the responsible adult.
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    Pulpstar said:

    Trump will build the wall, obviously Mexico isn't going to wire the funds directly for it.

    Rubio and Cruz both supported a wall as well, and there exists a half baked one anyway. Netanyahu has shown that a wall is well possible too. I expect Trump to get along "the best" with Ben.

    There's not going to be a wall like the one people picture, it would far exceed the US's infrastructure capability, that's assuming to other infrastructure projects.

    It will probably be more money for the broader patrols, new sections in one or two headline places, tougher rhetoric (and no route to citizenship).
    There is already a fence along a significant proportion...he could fill in the rest with a "wall" as stage 1 and then still be able to claim he built his wall.
    Has he thought about tunnels?
    Trump's wall is imaginary. It is as tall as it needs to be, deep as it needs to be, and cheap as it needs to be.
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    LennonLennon Posts: 1,736
    rcs1000 said:

    taffys said:

    "Earth sciences/Climatology" is going to be utterly demolished though.

    All sorts of jokes going around the web on the 'what do you say to a climate scientist - big mac and fries please' front

    BUt there's a serious point here. How much will Trump flay the 'worthy' economy that sucks billions out of the US tax payer. And could a conservative government here copy it?

    The first issue Trump faces is that his plans will lead - in the short term at least - to a massive increase in the US budget deficit. Congress will first need to authorise a massive increase in the debt ceiling.
    Indeed... how will that go down with the deficit hawks / Ron Paul types in the GOP?
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    john_zimsjohn_zims Posts: 3,399
    edited November 2016
    @williamglenn


    'I suspect Farage will end his days as a sad Walter Mitty figure, claiming to have been the éminence grise behind every significant event in his lifetime.'


    He will be able to claim that he achieved more in terms of significant policy change than the Lib Dems did in 5 years of government.

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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 54,074
    taffys said:

    EURUSD has been in a very tight range (1.06-1.14) for a year.

    Indeed. Whilst I appreciate your points about trade flows, I'm not sure I'd want to be long EUR right now.

    The political calendar is such that its integrity will, at some juncture, come into question

    Outside of Italy, the Euro is still remarkably popular. "The Euro is Good for My Country", net positive:

    image
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    Sean_FSean_F Posts: 35,997
    Sean_F said:

    Alistair said:

    MaxPB said:

    Pulpstar said:

    That spreadsheet is very interesting

    You know how we all thought Virginia was looking harder for Clinton on the night than it should have done.

    Well in the end it actually swung TOWARDS her.

    That indicates a widening rural/urban divide in voting loyalties within the USA.

    Also Florida.

    For an operation with supposedly no ground game, the pan handle GOP certainly knew it was crucial for them to get out and vote.

    After experience with LAB at GE2015 and now HRC on Tuesday I've come to view that bragging about your ground game is a sure sign of a loser.

    I think Jack's ARSE need recalibrating since he said the Dem ground game would add 1-2 points on the day. That would have swung PA, MI and WI.
    Maybe the ground game did and without it it would have been a Trump low out.

    We won't know till the campaign tell all's come out
    ARSE has had a bit of a spanking, this year.

    One purpose of a good ground game is to report back, in timely manner, about where you're faltering, so that you can start putting in more resources. Given the narrowness with which Michigan, Wisconsin, and Pennsylvania were lost, (and with them, the election) somebody wasn't telling Clinton what she needed to hear.
    Following on, that spreadsheet shows how lousy the ground game was. Every State that Clinton gained ground in was useless to her.
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    Scott_P said:
    Which will be completed first, Trump’s wall or Heathrow’s third runway?
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    JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 39,091

    Pulpstar said:

    Trump will build the wall, obviously Mexico isn't going to wire the funds directly for it.

    Rubio and Cruz both supported a wall as well, and there exists a half baked one anyway. Netanyahu has shown that a wall is well possible too. I expect Trump to get along "the best" with Ben.

    There's not going to be a wall like the one people picture, it would far exceed the US's infrastructure capability, that's assuming to other infrastructure projects.

    It will probably be more money for the broader patrols, new sections in one or two headline places, tougher rhetoric (and no route to citizenship).
    There is already a fence along a significant proportion...he could fill in the rest with a "wall" as stage 1 and then still be able to claim he built his wall.
    Has he thought about tunnels?
    Tunnels are apparently already a problem. Although I doubt that they're on North Korea's scale:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_Tunnel_of_Aggression

    Building a wall will be difficult and expensive, given the length and some of the terrain. Building a wall that works, maintaining it, and securing it will be very expensive in construction, and in operation.
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 54,074
    Pulpstar said:

    rcs1000 said:

    PlatoSaid said:

    taffys said:

    "Build the wall." "No." "BUILD THE F*CKIN' WALL!" "NO!"

    Trump's......er.....Trump card is remittances. Mexican Americans send USD25bn a year south, if I remember correctly.

    Yup - that's what's apparently proposed.
    The thing is that's insanely circumvent-able, unless he's planning to prevent/tax all international money transfers. And bitcoin.
    For smart people like yourself, but surely the average Mexican worker will just be heading down to the local Western Union shop or using their website ?
    In the short term, yes. But longer term, they'll end up using their mate who has some BTC based system.
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    Scott_P said:
    Which will be completed first, Trump’s wall or Heathrow’s third runway?
    Is that a trick question?
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,002

    Scott_P said:
    Which will be completed first, Trump’s wall or Heathrow’s third runway?
    Some sort of a wall.
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    john_zims said:

    @williamglenn


    'I suspect Farage will end his days as a sad Walter Mitty figure, claiming to have been the éminence grise behind every significant event in his lifetime.'


    He will be able to claim that he achieved more in terms of significant policy change than the Lib Dems did in 5 years of government.

    Trouble is it was a significantly bad change.
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 54,074
    Patrick said:

    rcs1000 said:

    taffys said:

    "Earth sciences/Climatology" is going to be utterly demolished though.

    All sorts of jokes going around the web on the 'what do you say to a climate scientist - big mac and fries please' front

    BUt there's a serious point here. How much will Trump flay the 'worthy' economy that sucks billions out of the US tax payer. And could a conservative government here copy it?

    The first issue Trump faces is that his plans will lead - in the short term at least - to a massive increase in the US budget deficit. Congress will first need to authorise a massive increase in the debt ceiling.
    We know what he'll spend more on. We know less about where he'll cut. The EPA looks dead-dated. I suspect a bunch of public wasteful spending will quietly get pruned. The US public servant headcount (admin) is likely to fall sharply. QE showers may go in the direction of Main Street instead of Wall Street.
    The bulk of Federal Spending is transfer payments, Medicare/Medicaid and defence. The Department of Energy and the EPA together account for less than 1% of federal spending.
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,994
    rcs1000 said:

    Pulpstar said:

    rcs1000 said:

    PlatoSaid said:

    taffys said:

    "Build the wall." "No." "BUILD THE F*CKIN' WALL!" "NO!"

    Trump's......er.....Trump card is remittances. Mexican Americans send USD25bn a year south, if I remember correctly.

    Yup - that's what's apparently proposed.
    The thing is that's insanely circumvent-able, unless he's planning to prevent/tax all international money transfers. And bitcoin.
    For smart people like yourself, but surely the average Mexican worker will just be heading down to the local Western Union shop or using their website ?
    In the short term, yes. But longer term, they'll end up using their mate who has some BTC based system.
    Surely construction is a short term cost?
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    weejonnieweejonnie Posts: 3,820
    New attraction in WDW Florida.

    The Trump Hall of Presidents.
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    AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    Lennon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    taffys said:

    "Earth sciences/Climatology" is going to be utterly demolished though.

    All sorts of jokes going around the web on the 'what do you say to a climate scientist - big mac and fries please' front

    BUt there's a serious point here. How much will Trump flay the 'worthy' economy that sucks billions out of the US tax payer. And could a conservative government here copy it?

    The first issue Trump faces is that his plans will lead - in the short term at least - to a massive increase in the US budget deficit. Congress will first need to authorise a massive increase in the debt ceiling.
    Indeed... how will that go down with the deficit hawks / Ron Paul types in the GOP?
    I suspect they will have an attack of the "It's okay if you are a Republican"
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 54,074
    RobD said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Pulpstar said:

    rcs1000 said:

    PlatoSaid said:

    taffys said:

    "Build the wall." "No." "BUILD THE F*CKIN' WALL!" "NO!"

    Trump's......er.....Trump card is remittances. Mexican Americans send USD25bn a year south, if I remember correctly.

    Yup - that's what's apparently proposed.
    The thing is that's insanely circumvent-able, unless he's planning to prevent/tax all international money transfers. And bitcoin.
    For smart people like yourself, but surely the average Mexican worker will just be heading down to the local Western Union shop or using their website ?
    In the short term, yes. But longer term, they'll end up using their mate who has some BTC based system.
    Surely construction is a short term cost?
    I think undocumented immigrants work in a bunch of different industries.
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    Pulpstar said:

    Trump will build the wall, obviously Mexico isn't going to wire the funds directly for it.

    Rubio and Cruz both supported a wall as well, and there exists a half baked one anyway. Netanyahu has shown that a wall is well possible too. I expect Trump to get along "the best" with Ben.

    There's not going to be a wall like the one people picture, it would far exceed the US's infrastructure capability, that's assuming to other infrastructure projects.

    It will probably be more money for the broader patrols, new sections in one or two headline places, tougher rhetoric (and no route to citizenship).
    There is already a fence along a significant proportion...he could fill in the rest with a "wall" as stage 1 and then still be able to claim he built his wall.
    Has he thought about tunnels?
    Trump's wall is imaginary. It is as tall as it needs to be, deep as it needs to be, and cheap as it needs to be.
    Post truth politics at it's best.
    That's it really, trump's wall is his version of £350million/week to the NHS.
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    Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 25,577

    Trump invites May to visit him as soon as possible.

    Memo to PM: if you see the president reach for the Tic Tacs, make sure that there's a table between you and him at all times.
    Is tic tacs a euphemism?
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,994
    rcs1000 said:

    RobD said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Pulpstar said:

    rcs1000 said:

    PlatoSaid said:

    taffys said:

    "Build the wall." "No." "BUILD THE F*CKIN' WALL!" "NO!"

    Trump's......er.....Trump card is remittances. Mexican Americans send USD25bn a year south, if I remember correctly.

    Yup - that's what's apparently proposed.
    The thing is that's insanely circumvent-able, unless he's planning to prevent/tax all international money transfers. And bitcoin.
    For smart people like yourself, but surely the average Mexican worker will just be heading down to the local Western Union shop or using their website ?
    In the short term, yes. But longer term, they'll end up using their mate who has some BTC based system.
    Surely construction is a short term cost?
    I think undocumented immigrants work in a bunch of different industries.
    I thought we were talking about funding the wall?
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,994

    Pulpstar said:

    Trump will build the wall, obviously Mexico isn't going to wire the funds directly for it.

    Rubio and Cruz both supported a wall as well, and there exists a half baked one anyway. Netanyahu has shown that a wall is well possible too. I expect Trump to get along "the best" with Ben.

    There's not going to be a wall like the one people picture, it would far exceed the US's infrastructure capability, that's assuming to other infrastructure projects.

    It will probably be more money for the broader patrols, new sections in one or two headline places, tougher rhetoric (and no route to citizenship).
    There is already a fence along a significant proportion...he could fill in the rest with a "wall" as stage 1 and then still be able to claim he built his wall.
    Has he thought about tunnels?
    Trump's wall is imaginary. It is as tall as it needs to be, deep as it needs to be, and cheap as it needs to be.
    Post truth politics at it's best.
    That's it really, trump's wall is his version of £350million/week to the NHS.
    Except it's already half built.
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    EssexitEssexit Posts: 1,956

    john_zims said:

    @williamglenn


    'I suspect Farage will end his days as a sad Walter Mitty figure, claiming to have been the éminence grise behind every significant event in his lifetime.'


    He will be able to claim that he achieved more in terms of significant policy change than the Lib Dems did in 5 years of government.

    Trouble is it was a significantly bad change.
    In Sunil's absence...

    LEAVE 52%
    REMAIN 48%

    Imagine the little face with a halo, I don't know how to do it.
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    Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 25,577
    rcs1000 said:

    taffys said:

    EURUSD has been in a very tight range (1.06-1.14) for a year.

    Indeed. Whilst I appreciate your points about trade flows, I'm not sure I'd want to be long EUR right now.

    The political calendar is such that its integrity will, at some juncture, come into question

    Outside of Italy, the Euro is still remarkably popular. "The Euro is Good for My Country", net positive:

    image
    I simply don't believe those Greek polls. If the rule questioning pollsters stands for Greek ones, please delete, because that's exactly what I'm doing.
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    PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383
    Sean Davies
    Great point. Those voters were interviewed to provide fodder for mockery. To the media, they were props, not people. https://t.co/TBVSMxFpEH

    Sarah Westwood
    Media spent months interviewing Trump supporters. It's not lack of contact w/ them...it's lack of ideological diversity in newsrooms.
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    EssexitEssexit Posts: 1,956

    Trump invites May to visit him as soon as possible.

    Memo to PM: if you see the president reach for the Tic Tacs, make sure that there's a table between you and him at all times.
    Is tic tacs a euphemism?
    You know what they say about men with small hands.
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,994

    rcs1000 said:

    taffys said:

    EURUSD has been in a very tight range (1.06-1.14) for a year.

    Indeed. Whilst I appreciate your points about trade flows, I'm not sure I'd want to be long EUR right now.

    The political calendar is such that its integrity will, at some juncture, come into question

    Outside of Italy, the Euro is still remarkably popular. "The Euro is Good for My Country", net positive:

    image
    I simply don't believe those Greek polls. If the rule questioning pollsters stands for Greek ones, please delete, because that's exactly what I'm doing.
    There was a rule questioning pollsters? That should have been ditched in June!!
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,148

    rcs1000 said:

    taffys said:

    EURUSD has been in a very tight range (1.06-1.14) for a year.

    Indeed. Whilst I appreciate your points about trade flows, I'm not sure I'd want to be long EUR right now.

    The political calendar is such that its integrity will, at some juncture, come into question

    Outside of Italy, the Euro is still remarkably popular. "The Euro is Good for My Country", net positive:

    image
    I simply don't believe those Greek polls. If the rule questioning pollsters stands for Greek ones, please delete, because that's exactly what I'm doing.
    Dismissing data that doesn't fit your preconceptions puts you in the same category as the Clinton campaign.
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    Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 25,577
    Essexit said:

    Trump invites May to visit him as soon as possible.

    Memo to PM: if you see the president reach for the Tic Tacs, make sure that there's a table between you and him at all times.
    Is tic tacs a euphemism?
    You know what they say about men with small hands.
    Small gloves?
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    Why is there a delay in the Michigan result
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 54,074

    rcs1000 said:

    taffys said:

    EURUSD has been in a very tight range (1.06-1.14) for a year.

    Indeed. Whilst I appreciate your points about trade flows, I'm not sure I'd want to be long EUR right now.

    The political calendar is such that its integrity will, at some juncture, come into question

    Outside of Italy, the Euro is still remarkably popular. "The Euro is Good for My Country", net positive:

    image
    I simply don't believe those Greek polls. If the rule questioning pollsters stands for Greek ones, please delete, because that's exactly what I'm doing.
    There's a massive difference between Greeks above about 50 (i.e. have savings and are 90% in favour), and below 30 where it's the other way around.
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    PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383
    edited November 2016
    "The mood in the Washington press corps is bleak, and deservedly so.

    It shouldn’t come as a surprise to anyone that, with a few exceptions, we were all tacitly or explicitly #WithHer, which has led to a certain anguish in the face of Donald Trump’s victory. More than that and more importantly, we also missed the story, after having spent months mocking the people who had a better sense of what was going on.

    This is all symptomatic of modern journalism’s great moral and intellectual failing: its unbearable smugness. Had Hillary Clinton won, there’s be a winking “we did it” feeling in the press, a sense that we were brave and called Trump a liar and saved the republic.

    ...Trump knew what he was doing when he invited his crowds to jeer and hiss the reporters covering him. They hate us, and have for some time.

    http://www.cbsnews.com/news/commentary-the-unbearable-smugness-of-the-press-presidential-election-2016/
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    Patrick said:

    rcs1000 said:

    taffys said:

    "Earth sciences/Climatology" is going to be utterly demolished though.

    All sorts of jokes going around the web on the 'what do you say to a climate scientist - big mac and fries please' front

    BUt there's a serious point here. How much will Trump flay the 'worthy' economy that sucks billions out of the US tax payer. And could a conservative government here copy it?

    The first issue Trump faces is that his plans will lead - in the short term at least - to a massive increase in the US budget deficit. Congress will first need to authorise a massive increase in the debt ceiling.
    We know what he'll spend more on. We know less about where he'll cut. The EPA looks dead-dated. I suspect a bunch of public wasteful spending will quietly get pruned. The US public servant headcount (admin) is likely to fall sharply. QE showers may go in the direction of Main Street instead of Wall Street.
    The problem with "public wasteful spending" is that waste is very much in the eye of the beholder. Whilst there are undoubtedly many wasteful schemes, others are deemed wasteful for political reasons when they fulfil a valuable purpose.

    However, this is a classic example of $349 million of waste:
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/sf/national/2014/12/15/nasas-349-million-monument-to-its-drift/
    Nasa wanted to stop it when the rocket was cancelled but Mississippi Republican senators led by Roger Wicker forced the project to continue.
    "The test stand is an example of how U.S. lawmakers thwart efforts to cut costs and eliminate government waste, even as they criticize agencies for failing to do so. "
    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2014-01-08/congress-makes-nasa-finish-useless-350-million-structure
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 54,074
    RobD said:

    rcs1000 said:

    RobD said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Pulpstar said:

    rcs1000 said:

    PlatoSaid said:

    taffys said:

    "Build the wall." "No." "BUILD THE F*CKIN' WALL!" "NO!"

    Trump's......er.....Trump card is remittances. Mexican Americans send USD25bn a year south, if I remember correctly.

    Yup - that's what's apparently proposed.
    The thing is that's insanely circumvent-able, unless he's planning to prevent/tax all international money transfers. And bitcoin.
    For smart people like yourself, but surely the average Mexican worker will just be heading down to the local Western Union shop or using their website ?
    In the short term, yes. But longer term, they'll end up using their mate who has some BTC based system.
    Surely construction is a short term cost?
    I think undocumented immigrants work in a bunch of different industries.
    I thought we were talking about funding the wall?
    Nope, about Western Union transfers to Mexico.
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