C4 News Foreign Editor Lindsey Hilsum "diplomats are saying this could be the end of the West as we know it". C4 News then cut to more nonsense from the European mainland and comment that its the anniversary of kristallnacht.
its the end of the world as we know it.... File under WTF.
Wait, I thought that Brexit was the end of Western Civilization?
It was noticeable that Donald Trump didn't have a single "celebrity" endorsement. Hopefully they will get the message now and take their inflated egos and stay out of politics.
He had the endorsement of the people... well, the electors at least
C4 News Foreign Editor Lindsey Hilsum "diplomats are saying this could be the end of the West as we know it". C4 News then cut to more nonsense from the European mainland and comment that its the anniversary of kristallnacht.
its the end of the world as we know it.... File under WTF.
Wait, I thought that Brexit was the end of Western Civilization?
No, Trump is apparently far far worse........
Are you telling me that the Remain camp overhyped their message?
It was noticeable that Donald Trump didn't have a single "celebrity" endorsement. Hopefully they will get the message now and take their inflated egos and stay out of politics.
Ted Nugent's has called and said oi....
A bigger thing is somebody has won without a billion dollar advertising campaign.
To be honest the left have to take some responsibility for what has been happening over the last few years. Complacency and smugness has come back to bite them on the backside.
What is at risk with a Trump presidency - is the Paris Climate Agreement in jeopardy for example? - something that the world has painstakingly come together on. I would be desperately sad if we regress in this area (and I know this will not resonate with many on here).
It will be interesting to see Trump's views on these international agreements - traditionally the US has been keen to stay away from them but Obama took a more collaborative approach. My guess is that he will stay on board with Paris as long as those that export goods to the US (China, India, Taiwan) are also on board with them.
He has already said he will renegotiate NAFTA, which has led to the offshoring of millions of jobs to Mexico and has driven a lot of his support. TTIP is definitely dead, as is TTP. A trade deal with UK could be on the cards though, and we should be pushing hard for it - send Boris over for a meeting of haircuts.
Domestically, he will enact major healthcare reform, will attempt to find a way of getting the big money out of politics and, with encouragement of the Republicans in congress, try and return to the States the right to rule on moral issues such as abortion and gay marriage - which R states don't like having liberal values forced upon them from Washington. He a,so mentioned an infrastructure building plan creating thousands of jobs repairing and replacing roads and bridges, which is a big problem in a lot of states.
Some of that you'll like, most of it you probably won't - but it will be good to watch from a distance as the next four years unfold. If it succeeds then great, if not it gives the left a chance in 2020 - if they can appeal to the WWC and stop talking about transgendered bathrooms and safe spaces.
To be honest the left have to take some responsibility for what has been happening over the last few years. Complacency and smugness has come back to bite them on the backside.
What is at risk with a Trump presidency - is the Paris Climate Agreement in jeopardy for example? - something that the world has painstakingly come together on. I would be desperately sad if we regress in this area (and I know this will not resonate with many on here).
Well said sir. I'm not a die hard tree hugger but it's as clear as crystal we can't go on without some sort of concern for the environment. So yes that's a potential issue.
I suspect Trump is probably having a wtf moment now too (!), but I think he might prove a bit more pragmatic than the campaign rhetoric suggested. Well fingers crossed at least!
It was noticeable that Donald Trump didn't have a single "celebrity" endorsement. Hopefully they will get the message now and take their inflated egos and stay out of politics.
Given how "tight" the result was it's not impossible that those celebrity endorsements actually cost Hillary the election.
Being associated with multi-millionaire celebs like Springsteen, Lady Gaga, and Beyonce would have just reinforced the notion that the Clinton's are in it for the money and to reward their rich friends...
That would be particularly so in the rust belt.
Celeb endorsements worked well in the 90's when Bill and Tony were in the ascendancy but post 2008... Not so much...
C4 News Foreign Editor Lindsey Hilsum "diplomats are saying this could be the end of the West as we know it". C4 News then cut to more nonsense from the European mainland and comment that its the anniversary of kristallnacht.
its the end of the world as we know it.... File under WTF.
Wait, I thought that Brexit was the end of Western Civilization?
No, Trump is apparently far far worse........
Are you telling me that the Remain camp overhyped their message?
C4 News Foreign Editor Lindsey Hilsum "diplomats are saying this could be the end of the West as we know it". C4 News then cut to more nonsense from the European mainland and comment that its the anniversary of kristallnacht.
its the end of the world as we know it.... File under WTF.
Wait, I thought that Brexit was the end of Western Civilization?
Remember how the media were all fawning over team clinton doing the manakin stunt on the plane...well they are definitely looking like a load of dummies this evening!
It was noticeable that Donald Trump didn't have a single "celebrity" endorsement. Hopefully they will get the message now and take their inflated egos and stay out of politics.
Given how "tight" the result was it's not impossible that those celebrity endorsements actually cost Hillary the election.
Being associated with multi-millionaire celebs like Springsteen, Lady Gaga, and Beyonce would have just reinforced the notion that the Clinton's are in it for the money and to reward their rich friends...
That would be particularly so in the rust belt.
Celeb endorsements worked well in the 90's when Bill and Tony were in the ascendancy but post 2008... Not so much...
Obama still has that knack of winning elections. First he attacks Brexit, then Trump.
NYT predicts Clinton to win popular vote by 1.3 points. That would be about 1.7 million votes.
Looking good for my turnout bet then, although from the sound of things it is going to take a few days to have the final tally to Mr @Shadsy's satisfaction.
It's interesting how people accept anything they're used to. The idea that it's OK to elect a president who actually had fewer votes than his opponent is weird. And I don't think people accept it because they've followed the 1779 rationale (a compromise between democracy and protecting small states from being dominated by big ones). It's just that it's how things are, in the same way that we live with still having hereditary peers in the Lords, which is surely indefensible to any rational mind.
It was noticeable that Donald Trump didn't have a single "celebrity" endorsement. Hopefully they will get the message now and take their inflated egos and stay out of politics.
The only ones I saw on Twitter were James Wood, Clint Eastwood and I think Nick Nolte.
They're very assertive in their support. James is most amusing.
The media is the most interesting angle for me now. So many have colluded or cheerlead, they've ruined the last shreds of credibility.
I can't think of more than a handful who I'd pay any attention to nowadays.
Apparently Trump has just appointed a climate change skeptic to manage the transition to the new US environmental policy. I think I may have done an embarrassing little orgasm in my napkin as I sit in this bistro.
Steve Goddard is a massive Trump fan, and runs the Hot Air website. He's totally no nonsense. Is it him?
It was noticeable that Donald Trump didn't have a single "celebrity" endorsement. Hopefully they will get the message now and take their inflated egos and stay out of politics.
Given how "tight" the result was it's not impossible that those celebrity endorsements actually cost Hillary the election.
Being associated with multi-millionaire celebs like Springsteen, Lady Gaga, and Beyonce would have just reinforced the notion that the Clinton's are in it for the money and to reward their rich friends...
That would be particularly so in the rust belt.
Celeb endorsements worked well in the 90's when Bill and Tony were in the ascendancy but post 2008... Not so much...
Her weirdness, her shouting, her entitlement, her age, Obamacare, Black Lives Matter, creepy Bill, her health, her total lack of policies, Islamic terror, hypocrisy, her elite status, her corrupt Foundation, and most of all "Basket of Deplorables" cost Hillary the election.
Memo to all future candidates: don't tell half of fucking America that they are "deplorable".
Rather than asking clinton emails vs pussygate, they should have asked deplorables vs pussygate.
It's interesting how people accept anything they're used to. The idea that it's OK to elect a president who actually had fewer votes than his opponent is weird. And I don't think people accept it because they've followed the 1779 rationale (a compromise between democracy and protecting small states from being dominated by big ones).
If I recall correctly, we represent something like 13% of the EU population but only get 8% of the voting rights under QMV in the EU. Seems like there are parallels.
NYT predicts Clinton to win popular vote by 1.3 points. That would be about 1.7 million votes.
Looking good for my turnout bet then, although from the sound of things it is going to take a few days to have the final tally to Mr @Shadsy's satisfaction.
It's interesting how people accept anything they're used to. The idea that it's OK to elect a president who actually had fewer votes than his opponent is weird. And I don't think people accept it because they've followed the 1779 rationale (a compromise between democracy and protecting small states from being dominated by big ones). It's just that it's how things are, in the same way that we live with still having hereditary peers in the Lords, which is surely indefensible to any rational mind.
Except rational minds don't build the world. It gets created, layer upon layer, from the chaos of today and the past.
NYT predicts Clinton to win popular vote by 1.3 points. That would be about 1.7 million votes.
Looking good for my turnout bet then, although from the sound of things it is going to take a few days to have the final tally to Mr @Shadsy's satisfaction.
It's interesting how people accept anything they're used to. The idea that it's OK to elect a president who actually had fewer votes than his opponent is weird. And I don't think people accept it because they've followed the 1779 rationale (a compromise between democracy and protecting small states from being dominated by big ones). It's just that it's how things are, in the same way that we live with still having hereditary peers in the Lords, which is surely indefensible to any rational mind.
Presumably the states could change how they dish out their delegates if they wanted to? But it would instantly make their states less important if they were not winner takes all.
A consolation for the Dems is that even after 2 terms of incumbency and a deeply flawed candidate, they have still been able to score about 220 EVs. They only need a slight improvmeent in Florida and one of the rust belt states to unseat Trump in 2020.
It was noticeable that Donald Trump didn't have a single "celebrity" endorsement. Hopefully they will get the message now and take their inflated egos and stay out of politics.
Ted Nugent's has called and said oi....
A bigger thing is somebody has won without a billion dollar advertising campaign.
Thiel is another Trump man IIRC. He helped to bankrupt Gawker.
A consolation for the Dems is that even after 2 terms of incumbency and a deeply flawed candidate, they have still been able to score about 220 EVs. They only need a slight improvmeent in Florida and one of the rust belt states to unseat Trump in 2020.
I do wonder if he'll run again in 2020. He has so much baggage!
Just put the bbc one programme on and their two balances talking heads were republican women for hiliary and a democratic super pac woman banging on about too many straight men in charge. No wonder they never get what is going on.
It was noticeable that Donald Trump didn't have a single "celebrity" endorsement. Hopefully they will get the message now and take their inflated egos and stay out of politics.
Eh? I know celebrity is stretching it for some of these, but I don't remember Trump disowning any of them.
'29 celebrities who love and endorse Donald Trump'
NYT predicts Clinton to win popular vote by 1.3 points. That would be about 1.7 million votes.
Looking good for my turnout bet then, although from the sound of things it is going to take a few days to have the final tally to Mr @Shadsy's satisfaction.
It's interesting how people accept anything they're used to. The idea that it's OK to elect a president who actually had fewer votes than his opponent is weird. And I don't think people accept it because they've followed the 1779 rationale (a compromise between democracy and protecting small states from being dominated by big ones). It's just that it's how things are, in the same way that we live with still having hereditary peers in the Lords, which is surely indefensible to any rational mind.
Presumably the states could change how they dish out their delegates if they wanted to? But it would instantly make their states less important if they were not winner takes all.
Eleven states have petitioned previously for a change to one person one vote. Which makes more sense for electing a single person across the USA. As well as making sure the most popular candidate wins, in most of the states you know who is going to get the ECVs before the contest even starts, and any normal size vote change within that state has no effect on the result.
A consolation for the Dems is that even after 2 terms of incumbency and a deeply flawed candidate, they have still been able to score about 220 EVs. They only need a slight improvmeent in Florida and one of the rust belt states to unseat Trump in 2020.
Will Donald Trump definitely be the Republican candidate in 2020? Obviously he could step down, but could the Party chose someone else anyway?
A consolation for the Dems is that even after 2 terms of incumbency and a deeply flawed candidate, they have still been able to score about 220 EVs. They only need a slight improvmeent in Florida and one of the rust belt states to unseat Trump in 2020.
Will Donald Trump definitely be the Republican candidate in 2020? Obviously he could step down, but could the Party chose someone else anyway?
If Trump is a disaster then perhaps the Republicans will be smart enough to run a single candidate against him in the primaries to avoid what happened this time around.
No way this is the last laugh. Satire is going to boom, Alec Baldwin will make a packet.
SNL is going to be must-watch for the next four years. Their election sketches for the past few weeks have been superb, culminating with Trump kissing Putin last week.
I just watched The Daily Show, which went out live just as the result became obvious last night. It was an hour of almost no jokes, might as well have been following a funeral. I'm sure they'll pick up though, Donald will give them plenty of material.
A consolation for the Dems is that even after 2 terms of incumbency and a deeply flawed candidate, they have still been able to score about 220 EVs. They only need a slight improvmeent in Florida and one of the rust belt states to unseat Trump in 2020.
Will Donald Trump definitely be the Republican candidate in 2020? Obviously he could step down, but could the Party chose someone else anyway?
He could easily disappoint or alienate the electorate, I can't see him being loved in the way that Reagan was.
This bbc one special is an echo chamber...now onto 3 foreign policy experts who all think everybody who has anything to do with trump campaign is totally bonkers.
NYT predicts Clinton to win popular vote by 1.3 points. That would be about 1.7 million votes.
Looking good for my turnout bet then, although from the sound of things it is going to take a few days to have the final tally to Mr @Shadsy's satisfaction.
It's interesting how people accept anything they're used to. The idea that it's OK to elect a president who actually had fewer votes than his opponent is weird. And I don't think people accept it because they've followed the 1779 rationale (a compromise between democracy and protecting small states from being dominated by big ones). It's just that it's how things are, in the same way that we live with still having hereditary peers in the Lords, which is surely indefensible to any rational mind.
Presumably the states could change how they dish out their delegates if they wanted to? But it would instantly make their states less important if they were not winner takes all.
Eleven states have petitioned previously for a change to one person one vote. Which makes more sense for electing a single person across the USA. As well as making sure the most popular candidate wins, in most of the states you know who is going to get the ECVs before the contest even starts, and any normal size vote change within that state has no effect on the result.
No way this is the last laugh. Satire is going to boom, Alec Baldwin will make a packet.
SNL is going to be must-watch for the next four years. Their election sketches for the past few weeks have been superb, culminating with Trump kissing Putin last week.
I just watched The Daily Show, which went out live just as the result became obvious last night. It was an hour of almost no jokes, might as well have been following a funeral. I'm sure they'll pick up though, Donald will give them plenty of material.
Trump was deep in the incredibly racist Birther shit in 2011. If you don't think he deserved to be mocked then all I can say is "Safe space, saaaaafe spaaaaaace"
Great to see the little love in of the pbCOM facist scumbags....(pbTory...is no longer fit for purpose since no Tories actually came out for Trump.)...you lot here are much worse.
I'll come back to see how excited you are about about LePen....good riddance until them you vile people.....
Trump was deep in the incredibly racist Birther shit in 2011. If you don't think he deserved to be mocked then all I can say is "Safe space, saaaaafe spaaaaaace"
Someone is saying he shouldn't be mocked for that?
Apparently Trump has just appointed a climate change skeptic to manage the transition to the new US environmental policy. I think I may have done an embarrassing little orgasm in my napkin as I sit in this bistro.
Steve Goddard is a massive Trump fan, and runs the Hot Air website. He's totally no nonsense. Is it him?
Hopefully renewables have come down in price so much that businesses will help save the planet despite Trump.
William Crawley Election nerds will Iove this -- the official guide to presidential transition. https://t.co/gE97Avjw3Y
That's brilliant, showing the amount of planning that goes in to the transition process. Contrast with the UK election, where it all happens the day after the vote, although with some CS support for opposition parties during the election process.
Oh, and 4,100 Presidential appointees. Maybe we should all send our CVs to Trump Tower?
As it's not a Parliamentary system, there's not the same divide between political appointees (ministers in Parliament in our system) and career civil servants (permanent secretaries and their ilk) in the US. It used to go even further under the old "spoils system" ended in the late 19th century with almost all federal government appointments down to local postmaster being in the gift of Presidential patronage when administrations changed.
Apparently Trump has just appointed a climate change skeptic to manage the transition to the new US environmental policy. I think I may have done an embarrassing little orgasm in my napkin as I sit in this bistro.
Steve Goddard is a massive Trump fan, and runs the Hot Air website. He's totally no nonsense. Is it him?
Hopefully renewables have come down in price so much that businesses will help save the planet despite Trump.
Very possible. I hope Trump's rhetoric on climate change is just that!
William Crawley Election nerds will Iove this -- the official guide to presidential transition. https://t.co/gE97Avjw3Y
That's brilliant, showing the amount of planning that goes in to the transition process. Contrast with the UK election, where it all happens the day after the vote, although with some CS support for opposition parties during the election process.
Oh, and 4,100 Presidential appointees. Maybe we should all send our CVs to Trump Tower?
As it's not a Parliamentary system, there's not the same divide between political appointees (ministers in Parliament in our system) and career civil servants (permanent secretaries and their ilk) in the US. It used to go even further under the old "spoils system" ended in the late 19th century with almost all federal government appointments down to local postmaster being in the gift of Presidential patronage when administrations changed.
Every day is a school day on PB, thanks for the history lesson!
I really hope that votecastr is back next time, gullible punters basing their bets on that instead of real results was highly profitable.
Looks like they've gone to ground.
I hope pb-ers made good money on this election? Some of the odds were just insane - as even I, a Hillary predictor - realised late last night. At one point Trump was over 8, even as exits polls implied some high white working class turnout.
Did the odds get crazier than that? I went to bed at midnight.
Anyone know who made the most money, apart from Rod Crosby?
I had a minor win - about £480 in total, mostly because I forgot about a few Trumpy state bets after flipping my book toward Hilary at massive cost about 1.30am.
I really hope that votecastr is back next time, gullible punters basing their bets on that instead of real results was highly profitable.
Looks like they've gone to ground.
I hope pb-ers made good money on this election? Some of the odds were just insane - as even I, a Hillary predictor - realised late last night. At one point Trump was over 8, even as exits polls implied some high white working class turnout.
Did the odds get crazier than that? I went to bed at midnight.
Anyone know who made the most money, apart from Rod Crosby?
There was a 150 minute switch over between both candidates being at 10/1 - 11 on Betfair - between about 1am and 3:30 UK time.
Mr @Dromedary apparently came close to being six figures up on the night!
Apparently Trump has just appointed a climate change skeptic to manage the transition to the new US environmental policy. I think I may have done an embarrassing little orgasm in my napkin as I sit in this bistro.
Sean - do you believe in AGW or do you like many of the dimwits who reside on this blog think it's all 'madeup'?
NYT predicts Clinton to win popular vote by 1.3 points. That would be about 1.7 million votes.
Looking good for my turnout bet then, although from the sound of things it is going to take a few days to have the final tally to Mr @Shadsy's satisfaction.
It's interesting how people accept anything they're used to. The idea that it's OK to elect a president who actually had fewer votes than his opponent is weird. And I don't think people accept it because they've followed the 1779 rationale (a compromise between democracy and protecting small states from being dominated by big ones). It's just that it's how things are, in the same way that we live with still having hereditary peers in the Lords, which is surely indefensible to any rational mind.
Much, much more defensible than stuffing the lords with (often mediocre) political appointees.
Apparently Trump has just appointed a climate change skeptic to manage the transition to the new US environmental policy. I think I may have done an embarrassing little orgasm in my napkin as I sit in this bistro.
Sean - do you believe in AGW or do you like many of the dimwits who reside on this blog think it's all 'madeup'?
Frank luntz saying wasn't shy trump voters, it was uncorporative trump supporters who would not respond to polling requests.
Rubbish.
Pollsters didn't believe their own numbers. Republican strategy pollsters like Trafalgar got the right numbers, and Seltzer too and the occasional Survey USA poll and Siena.
How did IBD/TIPP got it right, how did Rasmussen got it right ?
Instead we got yougov polls and survey monkey polls which were crap nationally but showed a better picture locally in the Mid West along with Reuters.
And lets not start with the herding in which every poll showed Hillary leading by 4.
No way this is the last laugh. Satire is going to boom, Alec Baldwin will make a packet.
SNL is going to be must-watch for the next four years. Their election sketches for the past few weeks have been superb, culminating with Trump kissing Putin last week.
I just watched The Daily Show, which went out live just as the result became obvious last night. It was an hour of almost no jokes, might as well have been following a funeral. I'm sure they'll pick up though, Donald will give them plenty of material.
Bigly....
Where does this word bigly come from? First time I noticed it was a week or so ago & now it's all over the place.
No way this is the last laugh. Satire is going to boom, Alec Baldwin will make a packet.
SNL is going to be must-watch for the next four years. Their election sketches for the past few weeks have been superb, culminating with Trump kissing Putin last week.
I just watched The Daily Show, which went out live just as the result became obvious last night. It was an hour of almost no jokes, might as well have been following a funeral. I'm sure they'll pick up though, Donald will give them plenty of material.
Bigly....
Where does this word bigly come from? First time I noticed it was a week or so ago & now it's all over the place.
Trump uses the phrase "big league" a lot but it comes out sounding like bigly.
No way this is the last laugh. Satire is going to boom, Alec Baldwin will make a packet.
SNL is going to be must-watch for the next four years. Their election sketches for the past few weeks have been superb, culminating with Trump kissing Putin last week.
I just watched The Daily Show, which went out live just as the result became obvious last night. It was an hour of almost no jokes, might as well have been following a funeral. I'm sure they'll pick up though, Donald will give them plenty of material.
Bigly....
Where does this word bigly come from? First time I noticed it was a week or so ago & now it's all over the place.
No way this is the last laugh. Satire is going to boom, Alec Baldwin will make a packet.
SNL is going to be must-watch for the next four years. Their election sketches for the past few weeks have been superb, culminating with Trump kissing Putin last week.
I just watched The Daily Show, which went out live just as the result became obvious last night. It was an hour of almost no jokes, might as well have been following a funeral. I'm sure they'll pick up though, Donald will give them plenty of material.
Bigly....
Where does this word bigly come from? First time I noticed it was a week or so ago & now it's all over the place.
Frank luntz saying wasn't shy trump voters, it was uncorporative trump supporters who would not respond to polling requests.
Rubbish.
Pollsters didn't believe their own numbers. Republican strategy pollsters like Trafalgar got the right numbers, and Seltzer too and the occasional Survey USA poll and Siena.
How did IBD/TIPP got it right, how did Rasmussen got it right ?
Instead we got yougov polls and survey monkey polls which were crap nationally but showed a better picture locally in the Mid West along with Reuters.
And lets not start with the herding in which every poll showed Hillary leading by 4.
Polls which showed Clinton in the lead nationally were right.
Frank luntz saying wasn't shy trump voters, it was uncorporative trump supporters who would not respond to polling requests.
Rubbish.
Pollsters didn't believe their own numbers. Republican strategy pollsters like Trafalgar got the right numbers, and Seltzer too and the occasional Survey USA poll and Siena.
How did IBD/TIPP got it right, how did Rasmussen got it right ?
Instead we got yougov polls and survey monkey polls which were crap nationally but showed a better picture locally in the Mid West along with Reuters.
And lets not start with the herding in which every poll showed Hillary leading by 4.
Polls which showed Clinton in the lead nationally were right.
But the state pollsters, the more important ones, were crap.
No way this is the last laugh. Satire is going to boom, Alec Baldwin will make a packet.
SNL is going to be must-watch for the next four years. Their election sketches for the past few weeks have been superb, culminating with Trump kissing Putin last week.
I just watched The Daily Show, which went out live just as the result became obvious last night. It was an hour of almost no jokes, might as well have been following a funeral. I'm sure they'll pick up though, Donald will give them plenty of material.
Bigly....
Where does this word bigly come from? First time I noticed it was a week or so ago & now it's all over the place.
Frank luntz saying wasn't shy trump voters, it was uncorporative trump supporters who would not respond to polling requests.
Rubbish.
Pollsters didn't believe their own numbers. Republican strategy pollsters like Trafalgar got the right numbers, and Seltzer too and the occasional Survey USA poll and Siena.
How did IBD/TIPP got it right, how did Rasmussen got it right ?
Instead we got yougov polls and survey monkey polls which were crap nationally but showed a better picture locally in the Mid West along with Reuters.
And lets not start with the herding in which every poll showed Hillary leading by 4.
Polls which showed Clinton in the lead nationally were right.
I really hope that votecastr is back next time, gullible punters basing their bets on that instead of real results was highly profitable.
Looks like they've gone to ground.
I hope pb-ers made good money on this election? Some of the odds were just insane - as even I, a Hillary predictor - realised late last night. At one point Trump was over 8, even as exits polls implied some high white working class turnout.
Did the odds get crazier than that? I went to bed at midnight.
Anyone know who made the most money, apart from Rod Crosby?
Trump was deep in the incredibly racist Birther shit in 2011. If you don't think he deserved to be mocked then all I can say is "Safe space, saaaaafe spaaaaaace"
Not saying he shouldn't be mocked. He's a bloody womanising billionaire. Mock away. Just that the mockery was quite vicious, and probably done in expectation of no response. But Trump is also very definitely an alpha male, and you can see in that video - I think - how badly he took that derision. The ruffled silverback.
He was not happy. Apparently the next year he registered the political phrase "Make America Great Again"
Up until 1am this morning it looked like a political masterstroke to rile Trump up and get him to run.
They probably won't until the very last state gets called.
Someone suggested earlier on here that California count as quickly as possible until they're sure the Democrat has won, then start again and count all the votes 'properly' over about three or four days.
I fear that state, pop vote margin and turnout bets are going to be paid next week - assuming no legal challenges anywhere.
I really hope that votecastr is back next time, gullible punters basing their bets on that instead of real results was highly profitable.
Looks like they've gone to ground.
I hope pb-ers made good money on this election? Some of the odds were just insane - as even I, a Hillary predictor - realised late last night. At one point Trump was over 8, even as exits polls implied some high white working class turnout.
Did the odds get crazier than that? I went to bed at midnight.
Anyone know who made the most money, apart from Rod Crosby?
There was a 150 minute switch over between both candidates being at 10/1 - 11 on Betfair - between about 1am and 3:30 UK time.
Mr @Dromedary apparently came close to being six figures up on the night!
That must go down as the greatest betting opportunity in the history of PB?
2016 must be a golden year for betting opportunities.
I really hope that votecastr is back next time, gullible punters basing their bets on that instead of real results was highly profitable.
Looks like they've gone to ground.
I hope pb-ers made good money on this election? Some of the odds were just insane - as even I, a Hillary predictor - realised late last night. At one point Trump was over 8, even as exits polls implied some high white working class turnout.
Did the odds get crazier than that? I went to bed at midnight.
Anyone know who made the most money, apart from Rod Crosby?
There was a 150 minute switch over between both candidates being at 10/1 - 11 on Betfair - between about 1am and 3:30 UK time.
Mr @Dromedary apparently came close to being six figures up on the night!
That must go down as the greatest betting opportunity in the history of PB?
Various financial professionals were claiming that betting on Hillary at 1.1 was free money.
They probably won't until the very last state gets called.
Someone suggested earlier on here that California count as quickly as possible until they're sure the Democrat has won, then start again and count all the votes 'properly' over about three or four days.
I fear that state, pop vote margin and turnout bets are going to be paid next week - assuming no legal challenges anywhere.
I really hope that votecastr is back next time, gullible punters basing their bets on that instead of real results was highly profitable.
Looks like they've gone to ground.
I hope pb-ers made good money on this election? Some of the odds were just insane - as even I, a Hillary predictor - realised late last night. At one point Trump was over 8, even as exits polls implied some high white working class turnout.
Did the odds get crazier than that? I went to bed at midnight.
Anyone know who made the most money, apart from Rod Crosby?
There was a 150 minute switch over between both candidates being at 10/1 - 11 on Betfair - between about 1am and 3:30 UK time.
Mr @Dromedary apparently came close to being six figures up on the night!
That must go down as the greatest betting opportunity in the history of PB?
Various financial professionals were claiming that betting on Hillary at 1.1 was free money.
For the other side, it turns out!
Was impressed by The NY Times projection. They had Trump down for FL quite early on
Apparently Trump has just appointed a climate change skeptic to manage the transition to the new US environmental policy. I think I may have done an embarrassing little orgasm in my napkin as I sit in this bistro.
Steve Goddard is a massive Trump fan, and runs the Hot Air website. He's totally no nonsense. Is it him?
Hopefully renewables have come down in price so much that businesses will help save the planet despite Trump.
Very possible. I hope Trump's rhetoric on climate change is just that!
He can't do a thing about state programmes to combat climate change. Three cheers for states' rights.
Trump was deep in the incredibly racist Birther shit in 2011. If you don't think he deserved to be mocked then all I can say is "Safe space, saaaaafe spaaaaaace"
Not saying he shouldn't be mocked. He's a bloody womanising billionaire. Mock away. Just that the mockery was quite vicious, and probably done in expectation of no response. But Trump is also very definitely an alpha male, and you can see in that video - I think - how badly he took that derision. The ruffled silverback.
He was not happy. Apparently the next year he registered the political phrase "Make America Great Again"
Up until 1am this morning it looked like a political masterstroke to rile Trump up and get him to run.
This is worth reading if people haven't seen it before.
I really hope that votecastr is back next time, gullible punters basing their bets on that instead of real results was highly profitable.
Looks like they've gone to ground.
I hope pb-ers made good money on this election? Some of the odds were just insane - as even I, a Hillary predictor - realised late last night. At one point Trump was over 8, even as exits polls implied some high white working class turnout.
Did the odds get crazier than that? I went to bed at midnight.
Anyone know who made the most money, apart from Rod Crosby?
There was a 150 minute switch over between both candidates being at 10/1 - 11 on Betfair - between about 1am and 3:30 UK time.
Mr @Dromedary apparently came close to being six figures up on the night!
That must go down as the greatest betting opportunity in the history of PB?
Various financial professionals were claiming that betting on Hillary at 1.1 was free money.
It was for the people on the other side of the trade.
'Great to see the little love in of the pbCOM facist scumbags....(pbTory...is no longer fit for purpose since no Tories actually came out for Trump.)...you lot here are much worse.
I'll come back to see how excited you are about about LePen....good riddance until them you vile people.....'
Big mouth that manages to get the wrong call on everything now wetting himself,good riddance.
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By Andrew Sullivan"
http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2016/11/andrew-sullivan-president-trump-and-the-end-of-the-republic.html
A bigger thing is somebody has won without a billion dollar advertising campaign.
He has already said he will renegotiate NAFTA, which has led to the offshoring of millions of jobs to Mexico and has driven a lot of his support. TTIP is definitely dead, as is TTP. A trade deal with UK could be on the cards though, and we should be pushing hard for it - send Boris over for a meeting of haircuts.
Domestically, he will enact major healthcare reform, will attempt to find a way of getting the big money out of politics and, with encouragement of the Republicans in congress, try and return to the States the right to rule on moral issues such as abortion and gay marriage - which R states don't like having liberal values forced upon them from Washington. He a,so mentioned an infrastructure building plan creating thousands of jobs repairing and replacing roads and bridges, which is a big problem in a lot of states.
Some of that you'll like, most of it you probably won't - but it will be good to watch from a distance as the next four years unfold. If it succeeds then great, if not it gives the left a chance in 2020 - if they can appeal to the WWC and stop talking about transgendered bathrooms and safe spaces.
I suspect Trump is probably having a wtf moment now too (!), but I think he might prove a bit more pragmatic than the campaign rhetoric suggested. Well fingers crossed at least!
http://tinyurl.com/p5et5zr
So Dow has effectively risen by 1,000.
Being associated with multi-millionaire celebs like Springsteen, Lady Gaga, and Beyonce would have just reinforced the notion that the Clinton's are in it for the money and to reward their rich friends...
That would be particularly so in the rust belt.
Celeb endorsements worked well in the 90's when Bill and Tony were in the ascendancy but post 2008... Not so much...
It's now up 200.
So it's up 1,000 vs expectation in middle of night.
http://observer.com/2016/10/latest-wikileaks-releases-boost-case-for-dnc-class-action-lawsuit/
it was Obama wot won it
Which means his son was right to tell him to promise to run.
They're very assertive in their support. James is most amusing.
The media is the most interesting angle for me now. So many have colluded or cheerlead, they've ruined the last shreds of credibility.
I can't think of more than a handful who I'd pay any attention to nowadays.
'29 celebrities who love and endorse Donald Trump'
http://tinyurl.com/ogk67b7
I just watched The Daily Show, which went out live just as the result became obvious last night. It was an hour of almost no jokes, might as well have been following a funeral. I'm sure they'll pick up though, Donald will give them plenty of material.
Bill Mitchell
Not only is #spiritcooking weird, evil and gross, apparently it doesn't work...
I'll come back to see how excited you are about about LePen....good riddance until them you vile people.....
Saw DT at 10s at some point, didn't we?
Mr @Dromedary apparently came close to being six figures up on the night!
Pollsters didn't believe their own numbers.
Republican strategy pollsters like Trafalgar got the right numbers, and Seltzer too and the occasional Survey USA poll and Siena.
How did IBD/TIPP got it right, how did Rasmussen got it right ?
Instead we got yougov polls and survey monkey polls which were crap nationally but showed a better picture locally in the Mid West along with Reuters.
And lets not start with the herding in which every poll showed Hillary leading by 4.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O5VEjF1uhYo
I fear that state, pop vote margin and turnout bets are going to be paid next week - assuming no legal challenges anywhere.
Will she be retiring soon?
Was impressed by The NY Times projection. They had Trump down for FL quite early on
Three cheers for states' rights.
http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2016/07/25/donald-trumps-ghostwriter-tells-all
'Great to see the little love in of the pbCOM facist scumbags....(pbTory...is no longer fit for purpose since no Tories actually came out for Trump.)...you lot here are much worse.
I'll come back to see how excited you are about about LePen....good riddance until them you vile people.....'
Big mouth that manages to get the wrong call on everything now wetting himself,good riddance.