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    IanB2IanB2 Posts: 47,289

    Trump still outperforming the Republican Senate candidates in Kentucky and Indiana. Could be the most significant thing from the results so far.

    Especially as people were predicting the opposite?
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    Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    Pulpstar said:

    Bloody hell

    Trump is up bigly over the senate candidates.

    Dems 4 Trump ?!

    Kentucky especially has a tradition of socially-conservative registered Democrats, who now typically go Republican for the president (on the basis of "culture war" issues like guns), but are still more open to voting for individual Democrat candidates for Congress if they have more acceptable views on those issues.
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,079
    edited November 2016
    RobD said:

    Do US sites not believe in swing? Haven't seen one yet on a results page.

    It don't mean a thing when you ain't got that swing.
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    Well so far Trump is overperforming Romney by around 5-15 points in Indiana.

    In Kentucky he is underperforming Romney by up to 5 points mostly in city areas.
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    SaltireSaltire Posts: 525
    Mortimer said:

    Speedy said:

    First 3 counties from Indiana Trump overperforming Romney by a swing of 10 and 16%, and exactly the same as Romney in the third.

    Average swing 8.7 so far in Indiana.

    Are these numbers up live, somewhere?
    Yes, here:

    http://edition.cnn.com/election/results/states/indiana
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    HYUFD said:

    BBC says George W and Laura Bush did not vote for either Trump or Clinton

    Wise people.
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    CNN exit polls are like sex in your 40s:
    "COMING SOON"
    "ANY MINUTE NOW"
    "NO REALLY, IT'S COMING"
    "OK LETS HAVE A BREAK"
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    Jobabob said:

    The ever entertaining Votecastr now has Hillary +4 in FL...

    ...although the expected votes counted has fallen from 94% to 84% – have they chucked some away?????

    Sounds like their model is more swingy than cricviz!
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    MonksfieldMonksfield Posts: 2,203
    Ana Navarro on CNN Testify!
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    ToryJimToryJim Posts: 3,414
    I love Ana Navarro
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    Pulpstar said:

    Bloody hell

    Trump is up bigly over the senate candidates.

    Dems 4 Trump ?!

    I assume Pence will have an amplifying effect in Indiana as he's the Governor.
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    foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    Speedy said:

    Well so far Trump is overperforming Romney by around 5-15 points in Indiana.

    In Kentucky he is underperforming Romney by up to 5 points mostly in city areas.

    We have our first blue county in Indiana, and it was red in 2012.
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 54,003
    Who was it Tweeted "Remain 55%"? And who also fronts YouGov?
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    NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,344
    OllyT said:

    Speedy said:

    First 3 counties from Indiana Trump overperforming Romney by a swing of 10 and 16%, and exactly the same as Romney in the third.

    Average swing 8.7 so far in Indiana.

    Given that Pence is Governor of Indiana the Trump/Pence ticket was always likely to perform better in that particular state. Swings from 2012 therefore don't tell as much as you are implying.
    All the same, comparison with last time is exactly what we need. Where did you get the data there, Speedy?
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    MortimerMortimer Posts: 13,946
    Saltire said:

    Mortimer said:

    Speedy said:

    First 3 counties from Indiana Trump overperforming Romney by a swing of 10 and 16%, and exactly the same as Romney in the third.

    Average swing 8.7 so far in Indiana.

    Are these numbers up live, somewhere?
    Yes, here:

    http://edition.cnn.com/election/results/states/indiana
    Ta!
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    Beeb:

    Shooting in California - two polling stations closed.
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    weejonnieweejonnie Posts: 3,820
    Votecastr actually changed some info. http://votecastr.us/widgets/#/states/PA
    Clinton up by 1 in Pennsylvania on 68.1% votes
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    GarzaGarza Posts: 45
    Pulpstar said:

    Bloody hell

    Trump is up bigly over the senate candidates.

    Dems 4 Trump ?!

    State and Federal elections have always been two different animals. Their have been Republican Governors in Blue States and vice versa. Bill Clinton was Governor of Arkansas - a solid red state.

    I wouldnt read too much into it.
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,969

    Speedy said:

    Well so far Trump is overperforming Romney by around 5-15 points in Indiana.

    In Kentucky he is underperforming Romney by up to 5 points mostly in city areas.

    We have our first blue county in Indiana, and it was red in 2012.
    "0% in" :p
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,285
    edited November 2016

    CNN exit polls are like sex in your 40s:
    "COMING SOON"
    "ANY MINUTE NOW"
    "NO REALLY, IT'S COMING"
    "OK LETS HAVE A BREAK"

    Lol...and I bet they are selling the little blue pill on the advert break!
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100

    OllyT said:

    Speedy said:

    First 3 counties from Indiana Trump overperforming Romney by a swing of 10 and 16%, and exactly the same as Romney in the third.

    Average swing 8.7 so far in Indiana.

    Given that Pence is Governor of Indiana the Trump/Pence ticket was always likely to perform better in that particular state. Swings from 2012 therefore don't tell as much as you are implying.
    All the same, comparison with last time is exactly what we need. Where did you get the data there, Speedy?
    One from the CNN election websites and the other from the election-data website.
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    JobabobJobabob Posts: 3,807
    Luntz has called it for Hillary
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    FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 9,047
    Very very bold by Luntz. He's not usually wrong about stuff. He was even better than most on Brexit.
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    jonny83jonny83 Posts: 1,261
    Luntz has a pretty good rep from what I gather.
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    weejonnieweejonnie Posts: 3,820

    Beeb:

    Shooting in California - two polling stations closed.

    The Democrats must be desperate.

    Joking aside let's hope it's nothing serious.
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    Pulpstar said:

    Jobabob said:

    FPT

    Hillary is back to where she's been all day with Sporting on 305-315 ECVs.

    The fun's all over folks - she's going to win comfortably within 10 points either side of this spread I would suggest, i.e. between 295 - 325, although I would favour the upper end.
    Time to go to bed I fancy and hopefully have some profits to collect in the morning.

    Looking like something along these lines now, based on feedback from campaigns.

    http://www.270towin.com/maps/Aw7DB
    Firewall finder Florida !!
    Bow before me, I say bow before me .... hopefully!
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    weejonnie said:

    Votecastr actually changed some info. http://votecastr.us/widgets/#/states/PA
    Clinton up by 1 in Pennsylvania on 68.1% votes

    Whoops.
    They must have seen the exit poll data.
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,285
    edited November 2016
    Jobabob said:

    Luntz has called it for Hillary

    They are clearly seeing numbers we haven't yet, and they are clearly definitive looking. 10 mins and I guess we will see what they are.
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    DadgeDadge Posts: 2,038

    rcs1000 said:

    Speedy said:

    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Early numbers would seem to favour Trump, but these are all rural areas so far. Still, Trump has made progress relative to Romney everywhere.

    He's doing worse than Romney in Franklin so far.
    James Carville said, basically that the US divides into three roughly equal groups:

    White, no college education
    White, college education
    Non-white

    His view is that Trump is winning W (NC) by a mile, while Clinton has a similar share of non-white voters.

    College educated whites went for Romney marginally in 2012. This time?
    According to MSNBC he is winning college educated whites by 1%.

    Most polls had Trump losing that category.
    That sounds about right.

    It's very close right now, but we'll have a better idea in 21 minutes :)
    What happens then? Also are they not concerned about exit polling results coming out whilst the West is still voting?
    Freedom of speech
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    foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    RobD said:

    Speedy said:

    Well so far Trump is overperforming Romney by around 5-15 points in Indiana.

    In Kentucky he is underperforming Romney by up to 5 points mostly in city areas.

    We have our first blue county in Indiana, and it was red in 2012.
    "0% in" :p
    4% on CNN
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    JobabobJobabob Posts: 3,807
    Lots of confidence out there from the pundits – assuming they reckon Hillary carries FL and this thing is over within a couple of hours.
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    MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 37,607
    Every time Jeremy Vine comes on the BBC I stick it to mute!
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    JobabobJobabob Posts: 3,807
    Sean T at RCPVerified account
    @SeanTrende
    I'd guess a Clinton win in the 5-6 point range. Still early, but she's running ahead of Obama in 7 of the 8 IN counties reporting.
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    jonny83jonny83 Posts: 1,261
    CNN says Clinton campaign is very confident about Virginia.
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,969
    edited November 2016

    RobD said:

    Speedy said:

    Well so far Trump is overperforming Romney by around 5-15 points in Indiana.

    In Kentucky he is underperforming Romney by up to 5 points mostly in city areas.

    We have our first blue county in Indiana, and it was red in 2012.
    "0% in" :p
    4% on CNN
    Was 0% on CNN when I posted that!

    Oh, Allen county is 0% in, Indiana itself is 4%.
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    tysontyson Posts: 6,050
    MaxPB said:

    Every time Jeremy Vine comes on the BBC I stick it to mute!


    He's the political equivalent of Alan Shearer....
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    The strangest figures in the Votecastr set relate to Nevada, where they are showing Trump already exceeding Romney's 2012 figure but Clinton a long way from Obama's. Nevada is supposed to be fairly safe for Clinton, so this looks very odd.

    Elsewhere, they are showing good to excellent figures for Clinton, except in PA where they have her only slightly ahead.

    Very hard to say how seriously one should take this.
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    SaltireSaltire Posts: 525

    Pulpstar said:

    Jobabob said:

    FPT

    Hillary is back to where she's been all day with Sporting on 305-315 ECVs.

    The fun's all over folks - she's going to win comfortably within 10 points either side of this spread I would suggest, i.e. between 295 - 325, although I would favour the upper end.
    Time to go to bed I fancy and hopefully have some profits to collect in the morning.

    Looking like something along these lines now, based on feedback from campaigns.

    http://www.270towin.com/maps/Aw7DB
    Firewall finder Florida !!
    Bow before me, I say bow before me .... hopefully!
    Fingers crossed (got on at 20/1 so not quite as good as yourself but still would be very nice)
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 54,003
    jonny83 said:

    CNN says Clinton campaign is very confident about Virginia.

    They should be :)

    Now... Florida...
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    IanB2IanB2 Posts: 47,289

    GIN1138 said:

    tyson said:

    Jobabob said:

    rcs1000 said:

    I'm watching MSNBC: what's everyone else watching?

    CNN.

    What's MSNBC like? I fancy a G&T and a change
    CNN's very good...the British TV news channels are awful
    Is there an online "Live Stream" for CNN?
    live streams of US CNN and Fox
    http://www.zahitvstation.com/watch-cnn-usa-live
    http://www.zahitvstation.com/watch-fox-news-live
    It's live on CNN's own site
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    edited November 2016
    Jobabob said:

    Sean T at RCPVerified account
    @SeanTrende
    I'd guess a Clinton win in the 5-6 point range. Still early, but she's running ahead of Obama in 7 of the 8 IN counties reporting.

    Not from what I see on the CNN website, she is ahead of Obama in only 2 out of 17 reporting.
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    This is stressful.
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    i just realised it must be almost exactly 12 years since I first stumbled on politicalbetting.com. as it was at the time of the Bush/Kerry election. An infrequent poster, and infrequent gambler at that but must have visited every week, almost every day, since then. All the best to Mike Smithson for his great work.
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    MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 37,607
    tyson said:

    MaxPB said:

    Every time Jeremy Vine comes on the BBC I stick it to mute!


    He's the political equivalent of Alan Shearer....
    Adrian Chiles, IMO!
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    *although not as stressful as 9:59pm on 7th May 2015.
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    JobabobJobabob Posts: 3,807

    The strangest figures in the Votecastr set relate to Nevada, where they are showing Trump already exceeding Romney's 2012 figure but Clinton a long way from Obama's. Nevada is supposed to be fairly safe for Clinton, so this looks very odd.

    Elsewhere, they are showing good to excellent figures for Clinton, except in PA where they have her only slightly ahead.

    Very hard to say how seriously one should take this.

    Yes it's quite possible that Votecastr calls all the states correctly but gets the margins wildly wrong?
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    FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 9,047
    All we need now is for Roger to call it for Trump and I can go to bed.
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    The strangest figures in the Votecastr set relate to Nevada, where they are showing Trump already exceeding Romney's 2012 figure but Clinton a long way from Obama's. Nevada is supposed to be fairly safe for Clinton, so this looks very odd.

    Elsewhere, they are showing good to excellent figures for Clinton, except in PA where they have her only slightly ahead.

    Very hard to say how seriously one should take this.

    I'm not betting on it.
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    IanB2 said:

    The only trouble with the BBC is having to listen to Jeremy vine doing his elections-for-dummies spiel.

    At least he isn't in his cowboy get-up!
    Great minds...
    I actually think he's good on "Eggheads", except that is when he's excruciatingly patronising whenever there's an ethnic minority team on the show ..... pass the sick bag Alice!
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    SaltireSaltire Posts: 525

    Beeb:

    Shooting in California - two polling stations closed.

    Bit more via 538:

    This is a developing story, but the Los Angeles Times is reporting a shooting near a polling place in Azusa, California, a city in the San Gabriel Valley. It’s being reported that one person is dead, multiple people have been shot and the shooter is heavily armed and active. We will, of course, be keeping our eye on this.
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    DadgeDadge Posts: 2,038
    Votecastr is looking similar to the normal polls. IA & OH Trump +1 NV & PA Clinton +1 FL Clinton +4 From a betting perspective, if we take this data at face value, then bets on Clinton in IA and Trump in PA might make sense.
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    Georgia will be interesting in a minute
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    JobabobJobabob Posts: 3,807
    Speedy said:

    weejonnie said:

    Votecastr actually changed some info. http://votecastr.us/widgets/#/states/PA
    Clinton up by 1 in Pennsylvania on 68.1% votes

    Whoops.
    They must have seen the exit poll data.

    They Hillary +4 in FL.
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    IanB2IanB2 Posts: 47,289
    MaxPB said:

    tyson said:

    MaxPB said:

    Every time Jeremy Vine comes on the BBC I stick it to mute!


    He's the political equivalent of Alan Shearer....
    Adrian Chiles, IMO!
    At least the BBC graphics appear clear tonight. On Brexit they managed to do the elections-for-dummies bit illustrated by graphics that were far from illuminating.
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    35 seconds
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Here's a spreadsheet — it doesn't contain anything original.

    "2012 Exit Polls and Results, 2016 FiveThirtyEight forecast"

    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1hI_1LTbzxMspAHp7TovZPZ1AU5Pc8qGI-QXzpTQisTU/edit#gid=0
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    JobabobJobabob Posts: 3,807

    Jobabob said:

    Luntz has called it for Hillary

    They are clearly seeing numbers we haven't yet, and they are clearly definitive looking. 10 mins and I guess we will see what they are.

    Yes it does suggest they have seen new numbers. Luntz would be unlikely to stake his whole reputation on such an early call otherwise (I would assume).

    How is the 24 hour room service sir? Enjoying the night?
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    AndrewAndrew Posts: 2,900


    Very hard to say how seriously one should take this.

    They had some data errors earlier, and some of the Florida counties are very odd. Look at Lee, that's clearly wrong. Duval looks similarly off.
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    IanB2IanB2 Posts: 47,289
    The Americans appear to out a lot of faith in these instant exit polls. I wonder how much work they put into ensuring a genuinely random/representative sample?
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    MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 37,607
    Give me those exits!
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    Morning all :)
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    Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    will they call Virginia for Hillary??
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 54,003
    Ooooohhh!
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    JobabobJobabob Posts: 3,807
    Jobabob said:

    Jobabob said:

    Luntz has called it for Hillary

    They are clearly seeing numbers we haven't yet, and they are clearly definitive looking. 10 mins and I guess we will see what they are.

    Yes it does suggest they have seen new numbers. Luntz would be unlikely to stake his whole reputation on such an early call otherwise (I would assume).

    How is the 24 hour room service sir? Enjoying the night?
    Sorry – getting you confused with @Mortimer!
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,929
    INDIANA CALLED FOR TRUMP

    BOOOOOOOOM !
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,028
    Trump projected to win Indiana and Kentucky
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 54,003
    Georgia TCTC!
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    DadgeDadge Posts: 2,038
    Finally scores on the doors: Trump 19 Clinton 3
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Trump projected to win Indiana, Kentucky. Clinton projected to win Vermont.
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 54,003
    Virginia TCTC
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,028
    Clinton projected to win Vermont
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    Hmm.. If Georgia and South Carolina are close, I don't think Trump will make it.
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    MortimerMortimer Posts: 13,946
    Too early to call.

    Pfffffff.
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    rcs1000 said:

    Virginia TCTC

    Now that is a surprise.
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    rcs1000 said:

    Georgia TCTC!

    And SC. An abundance of caution, one suspects...
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,969

    Hmm.. If Georgia and South Carolina are close, I don't think Trump will make it.

    SC is too close to call? omg
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,028
    Too early to call in Virginia, South Carolina and Georgia
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    MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 37,607
    Got a live Cable stream in another window, holding steady right now.
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 54,003

    Hmm.. If Georgia and South Carolina are close, I don't think Trump will make it.

    It's over. Clinton is the next POTUS.
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    Y0kelY0kel Posts: 2,307
    Seriously CNN, get the f**k off the fence.
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,079
    Too early to call is not the same as too close to call.
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    GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 20,822
    rcs1000 said:

    Virginia TCTC

    Oh.
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    Pulpstar said:

    INDIANA CALLED FOR TRUMP

    BOOOOOOOOM !

    You had big money on it?
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    IanB2IanB2 Posts: 47,289
    The instantly updating presidential results map on the CNN website is a very nice graphic
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    houndtang said:

    i just realised it must be almost exactly 12 years since I first stumbled on politicalbetting.com. as it was at the time of the Bush/Kerry election. An infrequent poster, and infrequent gambler at that but must have visited every week, almost every day, since then. All the best to Mike Smithson for his great work.

    houndtag - I think you and I must have joined the PB.com community at around the same time. perhaps I beat you by a few months.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,929
    Vermont got called tremendously quickly.
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    Jobabob said:

    Jobabob said:

    Luntz has called it for Hillary

    They are clearly seeing numbers we haven't yet, and they are clearly definitive looking. 10 mins and I guess we will see what they are.

    Yes it does suggest they have seen new numbers. Luntz would be unlikely to stake his whole reputation on such an early call otherwise (I would assume).

    How is the 24 hour room service sir? Enjoying the night?
    Think you are confusing me with another poster. I am at home...no fancy hotel for me this evening.
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 54,003
    GIN1138 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Virginia TCTC

    Oh.
    But 'early Clinton lead'.

    It's over. Clinton has won.

    Virginia too EARLY to call.
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,394
    edited November 2016
    Just stuck a fiver on Georgia for the Dems at 5/1 and ditto in South Carolina
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    MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 37,607
    rcs1000 said:

    Virginia TCTC

    No chance, if that's the case the Trump has won already.
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    MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,289
    edited November 2016
    They are cautious - I think entirely possible a state could be end up being won by 10% but not called at poll closing. Maybe even 12%?
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    Hmm.. If Georgia and South Carolina are close, I don't think Trump will make it.

    Virginia TCTC is more promising. More likely, it means TCTC as a range is pretty wide. I can't see CLitnon doing better in Georgia than Virginia
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,481
    edited November 2016
    If South Carolina is TCTC then Trump is toast

    Edit - Not TCTC - But too early to call
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    South Carolina close to call!
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    nunununu Posts: 6,024
    rcs1000 said:

    Hmm.. If Georgia and South Carolina are close, I don't think Trump will make it.

    It's over. Clinton is the next POTUS.
    No its too early not too close. Wait a while.
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