What an appalling, atrocious, and cowardly decision by Mrs May. She's yellow, sack up woman and defend your Heathrow decision. You wouldn't see Mrs Thatcher doing this with the wets.
Would it not have been more simple for Mt Goldsmith to honour his pedge to resign by offering his resignation to his local Conservative party? If they had refused it, he need not have gone the Chiltern Hundreds/by-election route.
It would have saved a lot of money.
Zac should just have resigned the party whip - except he promised to have a by-election if Heathrow chosen.
What an appalling, atrocious, and cowardly decision by Mrs May. She's yellow, sack up woman and defend your Heathrow decision. You wouldn't see Mrs Thatcher doing this with the wets.
Will we see Boris Johnson campaigning against his own government's policy in a by election?
Boris' Estury plan for a new airport was the most sensible from a growth and expansion point of view.
What an appalling, atrocious, and cowardly decision by Mrs May. She's yellow, sack up woman and defend your Heathrow decision. You wouldn't see Mrs Thatcher doing this with the wets.
What chance Ireland following us out, if this comes to pass...?
Ireland being part of the EU is the basis of their tax arrangements with corps. No EU membership no favourable tax arrangements.
So why would they bother staying in the EU, if that advantage is removed by a common corporate tax rate?
It has never been about Ireland's tax rate. It has been about how Ireland allows transfer of European profits out of the EU so they are untaxed by any European country - not even Ireland. Ireland could have haf tax rates double the European average and corps would have still setup shop there
What an appalling, atrocious, and cowardly decision by Mrs May. She's yellow, sack up woman and defend your Heathrow decision. You wouldn't see Mrs Thatcher doing this with the wets.
What an appalling, atrocious, and cowardly decision by Mrs May. She's yellow, sack up woman and defend your Heathrow decision. You wouldn't see Mrs Thatcher doing this with the wets.
Will we see Boris Johnson campaigning against his own government's policy in a by election?
Boris' Estury plan for a new airport was the most sensible from a growth and expansion point of view.
Truly, it wasn't.
Agree. As a practical proposition it was idiotic from the off. As a political proposition to win support from south west London residents it was a masterstroke.
Shame. We could have given Richmond a proper Conservative to vote for not just an ego in a suit.
Send the bugger a bill for wasting voters time. Twat.
Well, hopefully that's what the electorate will do. The libs will make it all about hard brexit - send a message to May, Liam Fox and David Davis will be the content of every focus newsletter.
It sends no message as Zac is not an official Conservative candidate May can dismiss any LD win as a protest at his waste of time and money. However if Zac wins it can be seen as a victory for a Brexiteer in a Remain seat, a blow to soft Brexiteers and EUphiles. May has played a blinder on this, it is win win for her!
People aren't stupid. Goldsmith is a vote for hard brexit. Whether he's an out Tory or a closet Tory. The Libdems WILL make this BE about hard brexit.
What an appalling, atrocious, and cowardly decision by Mrs May. She's yellow, sack up woman and defend your Heathrow decision. You wouldn't see Mrs Thatcher doing this with the wets.
What an appalling, atrocious, and cowardly decision by Mrs May. She's yellow, sack up woman and defend your Heathrow decision. You wouldn't see Mrs Thatcher doing this with the wets.
Will we see Boris Johnson campaigning against his own government's policy in a by election?
Boris' Estury plan for a new airport was the most sensible from a growth and expansion point of view.
Err, no. Wrong place, wrong plan. Great political posuring though.
What an appalling, atrocious, and cowardly decision by Mrs May. She's yellow, sack up woman and defend your Heathrow decision. You wouldn't see Mrs Thatcher doing this with the wets.
Zac was hugely popular as seen in his GE2015 result. The shine, however, has gone off that to some extent following his London mayoral campaign which has been labelled as racist
I don't get this. As I posted on the previous thread, he secured 58.2% of the Richmond Park vote in the 2015 general election, and 57.0% of the first round vote there in the mayoral. If there was such a reaction against his campaign, you'd expect the figure to be well down - particularly given that it was an SV election and voters could take a free hit against him in the first round before transferring their vote. They didn't.
As for the by-election, I think it'll be very difficult to call and as Mike says, an enormous amount revolves around what Zac's status is. There, there are three main possibilities: the official Conservative candidate, an Independent with Conservative backing, and an Independent opposed by the Tories. I wouldn't like to call which one the party will go for but if it is the latter, I should think that motivating local workers to get out on the streets will be a tough ask.
What an appalling, atrocious, and cowardly decision by Mrs May. She's yellow, sack up woman and defend your Heathrow decision. You wouldn't see Mrs Thatcher doing this with the wets.
What an appalling, atrocious, and cowardly decision by Mrs May. She's yellow, sack up woman and defend your Heathrow decision. You wouldn't see Mrs Thatcher doing this with the wets.
It's politically expedient at the expense of party management.
Just imagine if those Tory MPs in constituencies that voted Remain start following Zac's lead....
I've been a fan of Mrs May up until now, but if we won't stand a Conservative candidate in a by-election then we deserve to lose to the LDs.
If she stands a candidate then it is a certain lose to the LDs, who will come through the middle. I fail to see the necessity for her to commit harakiri based on some misguided principle.
Trump doesn't score less than 15% AA vote in any of those polls. Remarkable.
Trump has more appeal to AAs than Romney, especially as Hillary is less popular with the AA community than Obama
Hahahaaha. You are Bill Mitchell and I claim my $5.
He does, African American males like a strong masculine leader, Mike Tyson and Don King both back Trump. Hillary will win African Americans comfortably but she will do less well than Obama because of African American males, few African American women will back Trump but their turnout will likely be less than 2012
What an appalling, atrocious, and cowardly decision by Mrs May. She's yellow, sack up woman and defend your Heathrow decision. You wouldn't see Mrs Thatcher doing this with the wets.
Will we see Boris Johnson campaigning against his own government's policy in a by election?
Boris' Estury plan for a new airport was the most sensible from a growth and expansion point of view.
Truly, it wasn't.
Oh it was. But the British have lost the will to decide something important for it's future for decades now.
What an appalling, atrocious, and cowardly decision by Mrs May. She's yellow, sack up woman and defend your Heathrow decision. You wouldn't see Mrs Thatcher doing this with the wets.
What an appalling, atrocious, and cowardly decision by Mrs May. She's yellow, sack up woman and defend your Heathrow decision. You wouldn't see Mrs Thatcher doing this with the wets.
It's politically expedient at the expense of party management.
Just imagine if those Tory MPs in constituencies that voted Remain start following Zac's lead....
I didn't say it was a good decision, I'd put up a pro-HR3 candidate and let Zac win it by soft pedalling.
I'd put up a pro-runway candidate, explaining that when the new runway opens there will be fewer planes flying over Richmond!!
If I were the party chairman I'd be pleading with Mrs May to put up a pro-HR3, pro-single market candidate. They might even be able to sneak through the middle drawing from the Lib Dems and pro-business Tories in Richmond who work in the City.
Shame. We could have given Richmond a proper Conservative to vote for not just an ego in a suit.
Send the bugger a bill for wasting voters time. Twat.
Well, hopefully that's what the electorate will do. The libs will make it all about hard brexit - send a message to May, Liam Fox and David Davis will be the content of every focus newsletter.
It sends no message as Zac is not an official Conservative candidate May can dismiss any LD win as a protest at his waste of time and money and she gets rid of the main troublemaker on Heathrow on her backbenches. However if Zac wins it can be seen as a victory for a Brexiteer in a Remain seat, a blow to soft Brexiteers and EUphiles. May has played a blinder on this, it is win win for her!
What an appalling, atrocious, and cowardly decision by Mrs May. She's yellow, sack up woman and defend your Heathrow decision. You wouldn't see Mrs Thatcher doing this with the wets.
It's politically expedient at the expense of party management.
Just imagine if those Tory MPs in constituencies that voted Remain start following Zac's lead....
I've been a fan of Mrs May up until now, but if we won't stand a Conservative candidate in a by-election then we deserve to lose to the LDs.
I can understand why the Tories didn't stand in Batley and Spen, but this is just appalling.
On Agincourt day, I say unto Mrs May
That she which hath no stomach to this fight, Let her depart; her passport shall be made, And crowns for convoy put into her purse;
The Batley and Spen decision I could understand at the time under the circumstances, but this is just giving every Tory MP a chance to flounce, whether over the EU, boundary reform or A.N. Other issue of their own choosing.
I'm sure there's an enthusiastic pro-airport councillor in Richmond, who can draw lines on a map and show that the new runway takes planes away from Richmond and over Brentford instead.
What an appalling, atrocious, and cowardly decision by Mrs May. She's yellow, sack up woman and defend your Heathrow decision. You wouldn't see Mrs Thatcher doing this with the wets.
What an appalling, atrocious, and cowardly decision by Mrs May. She's yellow, sack up woman and defend your Heathrow decision. You wouldn't see Mrs Thatcher doing this with the wets.
Will we see Boris Johnson campaigning against his own government's policy in a by election?
Boris' Estury plan for a new airport was the most sensible from a growth and expansion point of view.
Truly, it wasn't.
Oh it was. But the British have lost the will to decide something important for it's future for decades now.
No, it was on the wrong side of London and regardless of the £40-50bn needed to build it (needing about £2bn per year in returns to be viable, Heathrow makes ~£600m) there were too many technical issues. A new airport would have to be south of St Albans but North of London to be viable in cost and location terms. Anything which isn't accessible by car is a non-starter.
What an appalling, atrocious, and cowardly decision by Mrs May. She's yellow, sack up woman and defend your Heathrow decision. You wouldn't see Mrs Thatcher doing this with the wets.
Will we see Boris Johnson campaigning against his own government's policy in a by election?
Boris' Estury plan for a new airport was the most sensible from a growth and expansion point of view.
Truly, it wasn't.
My view is that it was. There are big problems with it though; as indeed there are with HR3 and the inevitable HR4.
As an aside, a few weeks ago I was reading some documents from the early 1980s. People were arguing that redevelopment of Docklands was pointless as businesses would never move to the wasteland.
What an appalling, atrocious, and cowardly decision by Mrs May. She's yellow, sack up woman and defend your Heathrow decision. You wouldn't see Mrs Thatcher doing this with the wets.
Will we see Boris Johnson campaigning against his own government's policy in a by election?
Boris' Estury plan for a new airport was the most sensible from a growth and expansion point of view.
Truly, it wasn't.
Oh it was. But the British have lost the will to decide something important for it's future for decades now.
No, it was on the wrong side of London and regardless of the £40-50bn needed to build it (needing about £2bn per year in returns to be viable, Heathrow makes ~£600m) there were too many technical issues. A new airport would have to be south of St Albans but North of London to be viable in cost and location terms. Anything which isn't accessible by car is a non-starter.
just flatten Slough and build a brand new airport from scratch.
What an appalling, atrocious, and cowardly decision by Mrs May. She's yellow, sack up woman and defend your Heathrow decision. You wouldn't see Mrs Thatcher doing this with the wets.
Will we see Boris Johnson campaigning against his own government's policy in a by election?
Boris' Estury plan for a new airport was the most sensible from a growth and expansion point of view.
Truly, it wasn't.
Oh it was. But the British have lost the will to decide something important for it's future for decades now.
No, it was on the wrong side of London and regardless of the £40-50bn needed to build it (needing about £2bn per year in returns to be viable, Heathrow makes ~£600m) there were too many technical issues. A new airport would have to be south of St Albans but North of London to be viable in cost and location terms. Anything which isn't accessible by car is a non-starter.
just flatten Slough and build a brand new airport from scratch.
Mr Dancer I think it makes sense in a narrow tactical sense. Strategically it's not good. I think the problem is in order to stand a candidate you'd have to suspend the local Conservative Association as they don't seem inclined to put up a candidate against Zac. That would not look good at all.
What an appalling, atrocious, and cowardly decision by Mrs May. She's yellow, sack up woman and defend your Heathrow decision. You wouldn't see Mrs Thatcher doing this with the wets.
Will we see Boris Johnson campaigning against his own government's policy in a by election?
Boris' Estury plan for a new airport was the most sensible from a growth and expansion point of view.
Truly, it wasn't.
Oh it was. But the British have lost the will to decide something important for it's future for decades now.
No, it was on the wrong side of London and regardless of the £40-50bn needed to build it (needing about £2bn per year in returns to be viable, Heathrow makes ~£600m) there were too many technical issues. A new airport would have to be south of St Albans but North of London to be viable in cost and location terms. Anything which isn't accessible by car is a non-starter.
just flatten Slough and build a brand new airport from scratch.
it will be cheaper.
Come friendly bombs and fall on Slough! It isn't fit for humans now, There isn't grass to graze a cow. Swarm over, Death! Come, bombs and blow to smithereens Those air -conditioned, bright canteens, Tinned fruit, tinned meat, tinned milk, tinned beans, Tinned minds, tinned breath. Mess up the mess they call a town- A house for ninety-seven down And once a week a half a crown For twenty years. And get that man with double chin Who'll always cheat and always win, Who washes his repulsive skin In women's tears: And smash his desk of polished oak And smash his hands so used to stroke And stop his boring dirty joke And make him yell. But spare the bald young clerks who add The profits of the stinking cad; It's not their fault that they are mad, They've tasted Hell. It's not their fault they do not know The birdsong from the radio, It's not their fault they often go To Maidenhead And talk of sport and makes of cars In various bogus-Tudor bars And daren't look up and see the stars But belch instead. In labour-saving homes, with care Their wives frizz out peroxide hair And dry it in synthetic air And paint their nails. Come, friendly bombs and fall on Slough To get it ready for the plough. The cabbages are coming now; The earth exhales.
What an appalling, atrocious, and cowardly decision by Mrs May. She's yellow, sack up woman and defend your Heathrow decision. You wouldn't see Mrs Thatcher doing this with the wets.
Will we see Boris Johnson campaigning against his own government's policy in a by election?
Boris' Estury plan for a new airport was the most sensible from a growth and expansion point of view.
Truly, it wasn't.
Oh it was. But the British have lost the will to decide something important for it's future for decades now.
No, it was on the wrong side of London and regardless of the £40-50bn needed to build it (needing about £2bn per year in returns to be viable, Heathrow makes ~£600m) there were too many technical issues. A new airport would have to be south of St Albans but North of London to be viable in cost and location terms. Anything which isn't accessible by car is a non-starter.
just flatten Slough and build a brand new airport from scratch.
it will be cheaper.
Surely the Green Belt round London was reserved for a new airport?
'Send the bugger a bill for wasting voters time. Twat.'
Well, hopefully that's what the electorate will do. The libs will make it all about hard brexit - send a message to May, Liam Fox and David Davis will be the content of every focus newsletter.'
What an appalling, atrocious, and cowardly decision by Mrs May. She's yellow, sack up woman and defend your Heathrow decision. You wouldn't see Mrs Thatcher doing this with the wets.
Will we see Boris Johnson campaigning against his own government's policy in a by election?
Boris' Estury plan for a new airport was the most sensible from a growth and expansion point of view.
Truly, it wasn't.
Oh it was. But the British have lost the will to decide something important for it's future for decades now.
No, it was on the wrong side of London and regardless of the £40-50bn needed to build it (needing about £2bn per year in returns to be viable, Heathrow makes ~£600m) there were too many technical issues. A new airport would have to be south of St Albans but North of London to be viable in cost and location terms. Anything which isn't accessible by car is a non-starter.
Rubbish. The whole point - and much of the reason for the cost - is transport improvements. It would also open up large areas for redevelopment; not just at Heathrow, but in North Kent and, depending on the precise plan, South Essex. And when comparing costs, you need to compare with the costs of expanding Heathrow to an equivalent four runways.
Heathrow is in utterly the wrong position; but it is what we have.
What chance Ireland following us out, if this comes to pass...?
When I voted remain - I did so believing that when the EU brought out plans for a an EU wide single health system, that would collapse support for the EU in the UK. And would lead, inevitably, to a lost referendum then. In fact I thought it might even not be a referendum - it might well be a vote in the Commons.
What an appalling, atrocious, and cowardly decision by Mrs May. She's yellow, sack up woman and defend your Heathrow decision. You wouldn't see Mrs Thatcher doing this with the wets.
Will we see Boris Johnson campaigning against his own government's policy in a by election?
Boris' Estury plan for a new airport was the most sensible from a growth and expansion point of view.
Truly, it wasn't.
Oh it was. But the British have lost the will to decide something important for it's future for decades now.
No, it was on the wrong side of London and regardless of the £40-50bn needed to build it (needing about £2bn per year in returns to be viable, Heathrow makes ~£600m) there were too many technical issues. A new airport would have to be south of St Albans but North of London to be viable in cost and location terms. Anything which isn't accessible by car is a non-starter.
just flatten Slough and build a brand new airport from scratch.
it will be cheaper.
Come friendly bombs and fall on Slough! It isn't fit for humans now, There isn't grass to graze a cow. Swarm over, Death! Come, bombs and blow to smithereens Those air -conditioned, bright canteens, Tinned fruit, tinned meat, tinned milk, tinned beans, Tinned minds, tinned breath. Mess up the mess they call a town- A house for ninety-seven down And once a week a half a crown For twenty years. And get that man with double chin Who'll always cheat and always win, Who washes his repulsive skin In women's tears: And smash his desk of polished oak And smash his hands so used to stroke And stop his boring dirty joke And make him yell. But spare the bald young clerks who add The profits of the stinking cad; It's not their fault that they are mad, They've tasted Hell. It's not their fault they do not know The birdsong from the radio, It's not their fault they often go To Maidenhead And talk of sport and makes of cars In various bogus-Tudor bars And daren't look up and see the stars But belch instead. In labour-saving homes, with care Their wives frizz out peroxide hair And dry it in synthetic air And paint their nails. Come, friendly bombs and fall on Slough To get it ready for the plough. The cabbages are coming now; The earth exhales.
If Conservatives not fielding a candidate against Goldsmith, then this becomes an even more fascinating test of Lib Dem strength, and of the possible ability of Continuity Remain sentiment to motivate voters. If Goldsmith can defend successfully then, despite the fact that he'll be returned as an independent, this will still be a big boost for the Government.
I have lost count of the number of times we were reassured by OGH and friends before the EU Referendum that the public were not remotely interested in Europe and that the government was wasting its time banging on about it.... and now we are supposed to believe that these same disinterested voters are going to cast aside party loyalty and a large chunk of their other political beliefs to pursue the overriding issue that they are supposedly not interested in.
Shurely shome mishtake ?
(Edit: Spooky, in the line above I spelt "mishtake" without the "h" and Google spellcheck marked it as an error and suggested the final version as a correction!)
What an appalling, atrocious, and cowardly decision by Mrs May. She's yellow, sack up woman and defend your Heathrow decision. You wouldn't see Mrs Thatcher doing this with the wets.
Will we see Boris Johnson campaigning against his own government's policy in a by election?
Boris' Estury plan for a new airport was the most sensible from a growth and expansion point of view.
Truly, it wasn't.
Oh it was. But the British have lost the will to decide something important for it's future for decades now.
No, it was on the wrong side of London and regardless of the £40-50bn needed to build it (needing about £2bn per year in returns to be viable, Heathrow makes ~£600m) there were too many technical issues. A new airport would have to be south of St Albans but North of London to be viable in cost and location terms. Anything which isn't accessible by car is a non-starter.
just flatten Slough and build a brand new airport from scratch.
it will be cheaper.
Much of the cost of a new airport could be defrayed by selling Heathrow as prime building land - brilliant communications with the rest of London, power, water etc etc. Plus the locals would have no problem with noisy construction.... How much would Heathrow be worth in that form - 30 billion? More?
What an appalling, atrocious, and cowardly decision by Mrs May. She's yellow, sack up woman and defend your Heathrow decision. You wouldn't see Mrs Thatcher doing this with the wets.
What an appalling, atrocious, and cowardly decision by Mrs May. She's yellow, sack up woman and defend your Heathrow decision. You wouldn't see Mrs Thatcher doing this with the wets.
Will we see Boris Johnson campaigning against his own government's policy in a by election?
Boris' Estury plan for a new airport was the most sensible from a growth and expansion point of view.
Truly, it wasn't.
Oh it was. But the British have lost the will to decide something important for it's future for decades now.
No, it was on the wrong side of London and regardless of the £40-50bn needed to build it (needing about £2bn per year in returns to be viable, Heathrow makes ~£600m) there were too many technical issues. A new airport would have to be south of St Albans but North of London to be viable in cost and location terms. Anything which isn't accessible by car is a non-starter.
just flatten Slough and build a brand new airport from scratch.
it will be cheaper.
LOL.
On that topic, a radio advert heard in Dubai today. "Invest in premium London property in Staines-upon-Thames, with prices starting from only £340,000 with rental returns averaging 4.5%, call Knight Frank today"
Some charlatan is selling off-plan studio apartments in Staines to international investors at trumped-up prices on the back of the Sterling devaluation.
I can't work out if the foreign investment is a good thing, or if there will be an almighty backlash from the buyers when they realise what and where they've bought.
Anyway, I'm off to see whether the PS4 Tomb Raider bug has been resolved. And also to read some of the latter pages of Thucydides' history of the Peloponnesian War.
What an appalling, atrocious, and cowardly decision by Mrs May. She's yellow, sack up woman and defend your Heathrow decision. You wouldn't see Mrs Thatcher doing this with the wets.
Will we see Boris Johnson campaigning against his own government's policy in a by election?
Boris' Estury plan for a new airport was the most sensible from a growth and expansion point of view.
Truly, it wasn't.
Oh it was. But the British have lost the will to decide something important for it's future for decades now.
No, it was on the wrong side of London and regardless of the £40-50bn needed to build it (needing about £2bn per year in returns to be viable, Heathrow makes ~£600m) there were too many technical issues. A new airport would have to be south of St Albans but North of London to be viable in cost and location terms. Anything which isn't accessible by car is a non-starter.
just flatten Slough and build a brand new airport from scratch.
it will be cheaper.
Much of the cost of a new airport could be defrayed by selling Heathrow as prime building land - brilliant communications with the rest of London, power, water etc etc. Plus the locals would have no problem with noisy construction.... How much would Heathrow be worth in that form - 30 billion? More?
absolutely.
build a new airport from scratch and estate agents will have a field day in redeveloping west London
it's not as if there's anything much worth preserving in the capital :-)
What an appalling, atrocious, and cowardly decision by Mrs May. She's yellow, sack up woman and defend your Heathrow decision. You wouldn't see Mrs Thatcher doing this with the wets.
Will we see Boris Johnson campaigning against his own government's policy in a by election?
Boris' Estury plan for a new airport was the most sensible from a growth and expansion point of view.
Truly, it wasn't.
Oh it was. But the British have lost the will to decide something important for it's future for decades now.
No, it was on the wrong side of London and regardless of the £40-50bn needed to build it (needing about £2bn per year in returns to be viable, Heathrow makes ~£600m) there were too many technical issues. A new airport would have to be south of St Albans but North of London to be viable in cost and location terms. Anything which isn't accessible by car is a non-starter.
just flatten Slough and build a brand new airport from scratch.
it will be cheaper.
LOL.
On that topic, a radio advert heard in Dubai today. "Invest in premium London property in Staines-upon-Thames, with prices starting from only £340,000 with rental returns averaging 4.5%, call Knight Frank today"
Some charlatan is selling off-plan studio apartments in Staines to international investors at trumped-up prices on the back of the Sterling devaluation.
I can't work out if the foreign investment is a good thing, or if there will be an almighty backlash from the buyers when they realise what and where they've bought.
Remember the Hollywood studio sold to the Japanese? The original owners bought it back in the end. For a profit.
Yes, the building boom in flats will die at some point. Leaving alot of cheap(er) flats. The only real concern is the effect on the banks of the bad loans that will be involved...
Mr Dancer I think it makes sense in a narrow tactical sense. Strategically it's not good. I think the problem is in order to stand a candidate you'd have to suspend the local Conservative Association as they don't seem inclined to put up a candidate against Zac. That would not look good at all.
Even tactically it could be a problem. The LDs should pick a candidate who's anti-Heathrow to neutralise that issue, and then make it a campaign about Brexit. That provides them with a clearer road to victory than they'd have if they were also to face a Conservative candidate more in touch with local sentiment on Brexit. As a west London resident myself, most of us have accepted LHR3 is going to happen, and it's not really something that exercises the majority too greatly.
What an appalling, atrocious, and cowardly decision by Mrs May. She's yellow, sack up woman and defend your Heathrow decision. You wouldn't see Mrs Thatcher doing this with the wets.
Will we see Boris Johnson campaigning against his own government's policy in a by election?
Boris' Estury plan for a new airport was the most sensible from a growth and expansion point of view.
Truly, it wasn't.
Oh it was. But the British have lost the will to decide something important for it's future for decades now.
No, it was on the wrong side of London and regardless of the £40-50bn needed to build it (needing about £2bn per year in returns to be viable, Heathrow makes ~£600m) there were too many technical issues. A new airport would have to be south of St Albans but North of London to be viable in cost and location terms. Anything which isn't accessible by car is a non-starter.
just flatten Slough and build a brand new airport from scratch.
it will be cheaper.
Much of the cost of a new airport could be defrayed by selling Heathrow as prime building land - brilliant communications with the rest of London, power, water etc etc. Plus the locals would have no problem with noisy construction.... How much would Heathrow be worth in that form - 30 billion? More?
Agreed. There is also the major uplift in the value of surrounding land. Most of the traffic from Heathrow are personal travellers and freight. Business travel at Heathrow is a small part yet is listed a the main reason for change. Madness, when there will be no new runway this side of 2026 at Heathrow.
If Conservatives not fielding a candidate against Goldsmith, then this becomes an even more fascinating test of Lib Dem strength, and of the possible ability of Continuity Remain sentiment to motivate voters. If Goldsmith can defend successfully then, despite the fact that he'll be returned as an independent, this will still be a big boost for the Government.
I have lost count of the number of times we were reassured by OGH and friends before the EU Referendum that the public were not remotely interested in Europe and that the government was wasting its time banging on about it.... and now we are supposed to believe that these same disinterested voters are going to cast aside party loyalty and a large chunk of their other political beliefs to pursue the overriding issue that they are supposedly not interested in.
Shurely shome mishtake ?
(Edit: Spooky, in the line above I spelt "mishtake" without the "h" and Google spellcheck marked it as an error and suggested the final version as a correction!)
What an appalling, atrocious, and cowardly decision by Mrs May. She's yellow, sack up woman and defend your Heathrow decision. You wouldn't see Mrs Thatcher doing this with the wets.
Will we see Boris Johnson campaigning against his own government's policy in a by election?
Boris' Estury plan for a new airport was the most sensible from a growth and expansion point of view.
Truly, it wasn't.
Oh it was. But the British have lost the will to decide something important for it's future for decades now.
No, it was on the wrong side of London and regardless of the £40-50bn needed to build it (needing about £2bn per year in returns to be viable, Heathrow makes ~£600m) there were too many technical issues. A new airport would have to be south of St Albans but North of London to be viable in cost and location terms. Anything which isn't accessible by car is a non-starter.
just flatten Slough and build a brand new airport from scratch.
it will be cheaper.
Come friendly bombs and fall on Slough! It isn't fit for humans now, There isn't grass to graze a cow. Swarm over, Death! Come, bombs and blow to smithereens Those air -conditioned, bright canteens, Tinned fruit, tinned meat, tinned milk, tinned beans, Tinned minds, tinned breath. Mess up the mess they call a town- A house for ninety-seven down And once a week a half a crown For twenty years. And get that man with double chin Who'll always cheat and always win, Who washes his repulsive skin In women's tears: And smash his desk of polished oak And smash his hands so used to stroke And stop his boring dirty joke And make him yell. But spare the bald young clerks who add The profits of the stinking cad; It's not their fault that they are mad, They've tasted Hell. It's not their fault they do not know The birdsong from the radio, It's not their fault they often go To Maidenhead And talk of sport and makes of cars In various bogus-Tudor bars And daren't look up and see the stars But belch instead. In labour-saving homes, with care Their wives frizz out peroxide hair And dry it in synthetic air And paint their nails. Come, friendly bombs and fall on Slough To get it ready for the plough. The cabbages are coming now; The earth exhales.
Betjeman was a silly snob of the Thornberry or Parris variety. His little jingle is revolting,
What an appalling, atrocious, and cowardly decision by Mrs May. She's yellow, sack up woman and defend your Heathrow decision. You wouldn't see Mrs Thatcher doing this with the wets.
Will we see Boris Johnson campaigning against his own government's policy in a by election?
Boris' Estury plan for a new airport was the most sensible from a growth and expansion point of view.
Truly, it wasn't.
Oh it was. But the British have lost the will to decide something important for it's future for decades now.
No, it was on the wrong side of London and regardless of the £40-50bn needed to build it (needing about £2bn per year in returns to be viable, Heathrow makes ~£600m) there were too many technical issues. A new airport would have to be south of St Albans but North of London to be viable in cost and location terms. Anything which isn't accessible by car is a non-starter.
just flatten Slough and build a brand new airport from scratch.
it will be cheaper.
Much of the cost of a new airport could be defrayed by selling Heathrow as prime building land - brilliant communications with the rest of London, power, water etc etc. Plus the locals would have no problem with noisy construction.... How much would Heathrow be worth in that form - 30 billion? More?
Yes, but the new airport will still be the wrong side of London for most of its customers on the M4 and M3 corridors.
Any new airport needs to go in Cublingdon, where it was suggested as long ago as 1972. Otherwise expand Heathrow and start yesterday.
What an appalling, atrocious, and cowardly decision by Mrs May. She's yellow, sack up woman and defend your Heathrow decision. You wouldn't see Mrs Thatcher doing this with the wets.
Will we see Boris Johnson campaigning against his own government's policy in a by election?
Boris' Estury plan for a new airport was the most sensible from a growth and expansion point of view.
Truly, it wasn't.
Oh it was. But the British have lost the will to decide something important for it's future for decades now.
No, it was on the wrong side of London and regardless of the £40-50bn needed to build it (needing about £2bn per year in returns to be viable, Heathrow makes ~£600m) there were too many technical issues. A new airport would have to be south of St Albans but North of London to be viable in cost and location terms. Anything which isn't accessible by car is a non-starter.
just flatten Slough and build a brand new airport from scratch.
it will be cheaper.
Much of the cost of a new airport could be defrayed by selling Heathrow as prime building land - brilliant communications with the rest of London, power, water etc etc. Plus the locals would have no problem with noisy construction.... How much would Heathrow be worth in that form - 30 billion? More?
absolutely.
build a new airport from scratch and estate agents will have a field day in redeveloping west London
it's not as if there's anything much worth preserving in the capital :-)
It's just I never understood this idea that if you moved the airport from Heathrow, the results would be a howling wasteland at Heathrow. The land is too valuable.....
What an appalling, atrocious, and cowardly decision by Mrs May. She's yellow, sack up woman and defend your Heathrow decision. You wouldn't see Mrs Thatcher doing this with the wets.
Will we see Boris Johnson campaigning against his own government's policy in a by election?
Boris' Estury plan for a new airport was the most sensible from a growth and expansion point of view.
Truly, it wasn't.
Oh it was. But the British have lost the will to decide something important for it's future for decades now.
No, it was on the wrong side of London and regardless of the £40-50bn needed to build it (needing about £2bn per year in returns to be viable, Heathrow makes ~£600m) there were too many technical issues. A new airport would have to be south of St Albans but North of London to be viable in cost and location terms. Anything which isn't accessible by car is a non-starter.
just flatten Slough and build a brand new airport from scratch.
it will be cheaper.
Much of the cost of a new airport could be defrayed by selling Heathrow as prime building land - brilliant communications with the rest of London, power, water etc etc. Plus the locals would have no problem with noisy construction.... How much would Heathrow be worth in that form - 30 billion? More?
absolutely. build a new airport from scratch and estate agents will have a field day in redeveloping west London it's not as if there's anything much worth preserving in the capital :-)
One plane crash on the way down to Heathrow would be cataclysmic. How do they get by elf and safety?
What an appalling, atrocious, and cowardly decision by Mrs May. She's yellow, sack up woman and defend your Heathrow decision. You wouldn't see Mrs Thatcher doing this with the wets.
Will we see Boris Johnson campaigning against his own government's policy in a by election?
Boris' Estury plan for a new airport was the most sensible from a growth and expansion point of view.
Truly, it wasn't.
Oh it was. But the British have lost the will to decide something important for it's future for decades now.
No, it was on the wrong side of London and regardless of the £40-50bn needed to build it (needing about £2bn per year in returns to be viable, Heathrow makes ~£600m) there were too many technical issues. A new airport would have to be south of St Albans but North of London to be viable in cost and location terms. Anything which isn't accessible by car is a non-starter.
just flatten Slough and build a brand new airport from scratch.
it will be cheaper.
Much of the cost of a new airport could be defrayed by selling Heathrow as prime building land - brilliant communications with the rest of London, power, water etc etc. Plus the locals would have no problem with noisy construction.... How much would Heathrow be worth in that form - 30 billion? More?
Yes, but the new airport will still be the wrong side of London for most of its customers on the M4 and M3 corridors.
Any new airport needs to go in Cublingdon, where it was suggested as long ago as 1972. Otherwise expand Heathrow and start yesterday.
The freight customer warehouses etc can easily be re-located to the East.
What an appalling, atrocious, and cowardly decision by Mrs May. She's yellow, sack up woman and defend your Heathrow decision. You wouldn't see Mrs Thatcher doing this with the wets.
Will we see Boris Johnson campaigning against his own government's policy in a by election?
Boris' Estury plan for a new airport was the most sensible from a growth and expansion point of view.
Truly, it wasn't.
Oh it was. But the British have lost the will to decide something important for it's future for decades now.
No, it was on the wrong side of London and regardless of the £40-50bn needed to build it (needing about £2bn per year in returns to be viable, Heathrow makes ~£600m) there were too many technical issues. A new airport would have to be south of St Albans but North of London to be viable in cost and location terms. Anything which isn't accessible by car is a non-starter.
just flatten Slough and build a brand new airport from scratch.
it will be cheaper.
Come friendly bombs and fall on Slough! It isn't fit for humans now, There isn't grass to graze a cow. Swarm over, Death! Come, bombs and blow to smithereens Those air -conditioned, bright canteens, Tinned fruit, tinned meat, tinned milk, tinned beans, Tinned minds, tinned breath. Mess up the mess they call a town- A house for ninety-seven down And once a week a half a crown For twenty years. And get that man with double chin Who'll always cheat and always win, Who washes his repulsive skin In women's tears: And smash his desk of polished oak And smash his hands so used to stroke And stop his boring dirty joke And make him yell. But spare the bald young clerks who add The profits of the stinking cad; It's not their fault that they are mad, They've tasted Hell. It's not their fault they do not know The birdsong from the radio, It's not their fault they often go To Maidenhead And talk of sport and makes of cars In various bogus-Tudor bars And daren't look up and see the stars But belch instead. In labour-saving homes, with care Their wives frizz out peroxide hair And dry it in synthetic air And paint their nails. Come, friendly bombs and fall on Slough To get it ready for the plough. The cabbages are coming now; The earth exhales.
Betjeman was a silly snob of the Thornberry or Parris variety. His little jingle is revolting,
Indeed. But he also undoubtedly improved the look and feel of our towns and cities.
What an appalling, atrocious, and cowardly decision by Mrs May. She's yellow, sack up woman and defend your Heathrow decision. You wouldn't see Mrs Thatcher doing this with the wets.
Will we see Boris Johnson campaigning against his own government's policy in a by election?
Boris' Estury plan for a new airport was the most sensible from a growth and expansion point of view.
Truly, it wasn't.
Oh it was. But the British have lost the will to decide something important for it's future for decades now.
No, it was on the wrong side of London and regardless of the £40-50bn needed to build it (needing about £2bn per year in returns to be viable, Heathrow makes ~£600m) there were too many technical issues. A new airport would have to be south of St Albans but North of London to be viable in cost and location terms. Anything which isn't accessible by car is a non-starter.
just flatten Slough and build a brand new airport from scratch.
it will be cheaper.
Much of the cost of a new airport could be defrayed by selling Heathrow as prime building land - brilliant communications with the rest of London, power, water etc etc. Plus the locals would have no problem with noisy construction.... How much would Heathrow be worth in that form - 30 billion? More?
Agreed. There is also the major uplift in the value of surrounding land. Most of the traffic from Heathrow are personal travellers and freight. Business travel at Heathrow is a small part yet is listed a the main reason for change. Madness, when there will be no new runway this side of 2026 at Heathrow.
Most of Heathrow is business traffic. The holiday charters all go from STN or LGW.
They're talking about 2026 as the *start* of construction on the new runway. Dubai will have their new 6-runway airport in the desert finished by then!
What an appalling, atrocious, and cowardly decision by Mrs May. She's yellow, sack up woman and defend your Heathrow decision. You wouldn't see Mrs Thatcher doing this with the wets.
Will we see Boris Johnson campaigning against his own government's policy in a by election?
Boris' Estury plan for a new airport was the most sensible from a growth and expansion point of view.
Truly, it wasn't.
Oh it was. But the British have lost the will to decide something important for it's future for decades now.
No, it was on the wrong side of London and regardless of the £40-50bn needed to build it (needing about £2bn per year in returns to be viable, Heathrow makes ~£600m) there were too many technical issues. A new airport would have to be south of St Albans but North of London to be viable in cost and location terms. Anything which isn't accessible by car is a non-starter.
just flatten Slough and build a brand new airport from scratch.
it will be cheaper.
Come friendly bombs and fall on Slough! It isn't fit for humans now, There isn't grass to graze a cow. Swarm over, Death! Come, bombs and blow to smithereens Those air -conditioned, bright canteens, Tinned fruit, tinned meat, tinned milk, tinned beans, Tinned minds, tinned breath. Mess up the mess they call a town- A house for ninety-seven down And once a week a half a crown For twenty years. And get that man with double chin Who'll always cheat and always win, Who washes his repulsive skin In women's tears: And smash his desk of polished oak And smash his hands so used to stroke And stop his boring dirty joke And make him yell. But spare the bald young clerks who add The profits of the stinking cad; It's not their fault that they are mad, They've tasted Hell. It's not their fault they do not know The birdsong from the radio, It's not their fault they often go To Maidenhead And talk of sport and makes of cars In various bogus-Tudor bars And daren't look up and see the stars But belch instead. In labour-saving homes, with care Their wives frizz out peroxide hair And dry it in synthetic air And paint their nails. Come, friendly bombs and fall on Slough To get it ready for the plough. The cabbages are coming now; The earth exhales.
What an appalling, atrocious, and cowardly decision by Mrs May. She's yellow, sack up woman and defend your Heathrow decision. You wouldn't see Mrs Thatcher doing this with the wets.
Will we see Boris Johnson campaigning against his own government's policy in a by election?
Boris' Estury plan for a new airport was the most sensible from a growth and expansion point of view.
Truly, it wasn't.
Oh it was. But the British have lost the will to decide something important for it's future for decades now.
No, it was on the wrong side of London and regardless of the £40-50bn needed to build it (needing about £2bn per year in returns to be viable, Heathrow makes ~£600m) there were too many technical issues. A new airport would have to be south of St Albans but North of London to be viable in cost and location terms. Anything which isn't accessible by car is a non-starter.
just flatten Slough and build a brand new airport from scratch.
it will be cheaper.
Much of the cost of a new airport could be defrayed by selling Heathrow as prime building land - brilliant communications with the rest of London, power, water etc etc. Plus the locals would have no problem with noisy construction.... How much would Heathrow be worth in that form - 30 billion? More?
absolutely.
build a new airport from scratch and estate agents will have a field day in redeveloping west London
it's not as if there's anything much worth preserving in the capital :-)
It's just I never understood this idea that if you moved the airport from Heathrow, the results would be a howling wasteland at Heathrow. The land is too valuable.....
The idea of Boris island was the point when I started taking Boris seriously as a Leader. He has a sense of real vision and insight into tackling major issues.
Will Lib Dems parachute Vince Cable in as their candidate?
No. They have a prospective candidate in Sarah Olney, and Vince wants to get his old seat back.
Sarah Olney was selected as Lib Dem candiadte in the event of a snap general election.
She was not selected as a high profile by-election candidate.
Vince Cable would be a better candidate and is an elderly white male, so has a better chance.
It's a high risk move for the LDs but he would provide a seasoned, credible economic voice against Brexit where the Tories are currently vulnerable and the LDs don't have (their treasury spokeman is in the Lords)z
But he may not be up for it, and he might be getting on a bit too. Also Farron might not trust him.
What an appalling, atrocious, and cowardly decision by Mrs May. She's yellow, sack up woman and defend your Heathrow decision. You wouldn't see Mrs Thatcher doing this with the wets.
Will we see Boris Johnson campaigning against his own government's policy in a by election?
Boris' Estury plan for a new airport was the most sensible from a growth and expansion point of view.
Truly, it wasn't.
Oh it was. But the British have lost the will to decide something important for it's future for decades now.
No, it was on the wrong side of London and regardless of the £40-50bn needed to build it (needing about £2bn per year in returns to be viable, Heathrow makes ~£600m) there were too many technical issues. A new airport would have to be south of St Albans but North of London to be viable in cost and location terms. Anything which isn't accessible by car is a non-starter.
just flatten Slough and build a brand new airport from scratch.
it will be cheaper.
Much of the cost of a new airport could be defrayed by selling Heathrow as prime building land - brilliant communications with the rest of London, power, water etc etc. Plus the locals would have no problem with noisy construction.... How much would Heathrow be worth in that form - 30 billion? More?
absolutely. build a new airport from scratch and estate agents will have a field day in redeveloping west London it's not as if there's anything much worth preserving in the capital :-)
One plane crash on the way down to Heathrow would be cataclysmic. How do they get by elf and safety?
LBC confirming there will be no Tory candidate in the by-election.
Tory HQ will need somehow to agree to disregard its rules
Which rule is that? I've only scanned them quickly so I may have missed something but I can't see anything in the party's rules requiring them to stand a candidate in every election, nor can I see anything requiring them to put up a candidate when the local association doesn't want to fight the election.
If they did put up a candidate they would have to expel Goldsmith for standing in an election against the official candidate (Schedule 6, para 13).
What an appalling, atrocious, and cowardly decision by Mrs May. She's yellow, sack up woman and defend your Heathrow decision. You wouldn't see Mrs Thatcher doing this with the wets.
Will we see Boris Johnson campaigning against his own government's policy in a by election?
Boris' Estury plan for a new airport was the most sensible from a growth and expansion point of view.
Truly, it wasn't.
Oh it was. But the British have lost the will to decide something important for it's future for decades now.
No, it was on the wrong side of London and regardless of the £40-50bn needed to build it (needing about £2bn per year in returns to be viable, Heathrow makes ~£600m) there were too many technical issues. A new airport would have to be south of St Albans but North of London to be viable in cost and location terms. Anything which isn't accessible by car is a non-starter.
Why would it have mattered which side it was on as long as you have a fast rail link to central London? Also it would have meant that you could have all the latest facilities instead of adding them on to antiquated buildings and infrastructure at Heathrow.
What an appalling, atrocious, and cowardly decision by Mrs May. She's yellow, sack up woman and defend your Heathrow decision. You wouldn't see Mrs Thatcher doing this with the wets.
Will we see Boris Johnson campaigning against his own government's policy in a by election?
Boris' Estury plan for a new airport was the most sensible from a growth and expansion point of view.
Truly, it wasn't.
Oh it was. But the British have lost the will to decide something important for it's future for decades now.
No, it was on the wrong side of London and regardless of the £40-50bn needed to build it (needing about £2bn per year in returns to be viable, Heathrow makes ~£600m) there were too many technical issues. A new airport would have to be south of St Albans but North of London to be viable in cost and location terms. Anything which isn't accessible by car is a non-starter.
just flatten Slough and build a brand new airport from scratch.
it will be cheaper.
Much of the cost of a new airport could be defrayed by selling Heathrow as prime building land - brilliant communications with the rest of London, power, water etc etc. Plus the locals would have no problem with noisy construction.... How much would Heathrow be worth in that form - 30 billion? More?
absolutely.
build a new airport from scratch and estate agents will have a field day in redeveloping west London
it's not as if there's anything much worth preserving in the capital :-)
It's just I never understood this idea that if you moved the airport from Heathrow, the results would be a howling wasteland at Heathrow. The land is too valuable.....
The idea of Boris island was the point when I started taking Boris seriously as a Leader. He has a sense of real vision and insight into tackling major issues.
If Conservatives not fielding a candidate against Goldsmith, then this becomes an even more fascinating test of Lib Dem strength, and of the possible ability of Continuity Remain sentiment to motivate voters. If Goldsmith can defend successfully then, despite the fact that he'll be returned as an independent, this will still be a big boost for the Government.
I have lost count of the number of times we were reassured by OGH and friends before the EU Referendum that the public were not remotely interested in Europe and that the government was wasting its time banging on about it.... and now we are supposed to believe that these same disinterested voters are going to cast aside party loyalty and a large chunk of their other political beliefs to pursue the overriding issue that they are supposedly not interested in.
Shurely shome mishtake ?
(Edit: Spooky, in the line above I spelt "mishtake" without the "h" and Google spellcheck marked it as an error and suggested the final version as a correction!)
Private Eye reader?
Used to be, seems the Google spell checker still is!
'Send the bugger a bill for wasting voters time. Twat.'
Well, hopefully that's what the electorate will do. The libs will make it all about hard brexit - send a message to May, Liam Fox and David Davis will be the content of every focus newsletter.'
Lib Dems rattled already ?
I'd imagine they're champing at the bit, unlike frit cruella
Will Lib Dems parachute Vince Cable in as their candidate?
No. They have a prospective candidate in Sarah Olney, and Vince wants to get his old seat back.
Sarah Olney was selected as Lib Dem candiadte in the event of a snap general election.
She was not selected as a high profile by-election candidate.
Vince Cable would be a better candidate and is an elderly white male, so has a better chance.
It's a high risk move for the LDs but he would provide a seasoned, credible economic voice against Brexit where the Tories are currently vulnerable and the LDs don't have (their treasury spokeman is in the Lords)z
But he may not be up for it, and he might be getting on a bit too. Also Farron might not trust him.
I thought remainers were aginst decrepit old bastards taking opportunities away from young people ?
What an appalling, atrocious, and cowardly decision by Mrs May. She's yellow, sack up woman and defend your Heathrow decision. You wouldn't see Mrs Thatcher doing this with the wets.
Will we see Boris Johnson campaigning against his own government's policy in a by election?
Boris' Estury plan for a new airport was the most sensible from a growth and expansion point of view.
Truly, it wasn't.
Oh it was. But the British have lost the will to decide something important for it's future for decades now.
No, it was on the wrong side of London and regardless of the £40-50bn needed to build it (needing about £2bn per year in returns to be viable, Heathrow makes ~£600m) there were too many technical issues. A new airport would have to be south of St Albans but North of London to be viable in cost and location terms. Anything which isn't accessible by car is a non-starter.
just flatten Slough and build a brand new airport from scratch.
it will be cheaper.
Much of the cost of a new airport could be defrayed by selling Heathrow as prime building land - brilliant communications with the rest of London, power, water etc etc. Plus the locals would have no problem with noisy construction.... How much would Heathrow be worth in that form - 30 billion? More?
Agreed. There is also the major uplift in the value of surrounding land. Most of the traffic from Heathrow are personal travellers and freight. Business travel at Heathrow is a small part yet is listed a the main reason for change. Madness, when there will be no new runway this side of 2026 at Heathrow.
Most of Heathrow is business traffic. The holiday charters all go from STN or LGW......
What an appalling, atrocious, and cowardly decision by Mrs May. She's yellow, sack up woman and defend your Heathrow decision. You wouldn't see Mrs Thatcher doing this with the wets.
Will we see Boris Johnson campaigning against his own government's policy in a by election?
Boris' Estury plan for a new airport was the most sensible from a growth and expansion point of view.
Truly, it wasn't.
Oh it was. But the British have lost the will to decide something important for it's future for decades now.
No, it was on the wrong side of London and regardless of the £40-50bn needed to build it (needing about £2bn per year in returns to be viable, Heathrow makes ~£600m) there were too many technical issues. A new airport would have to be south of St Albans but North of London to be viable in cost and location terms. Anything which isn't accessible by car is a non-starter.
just flatten Slough and build a brand new airport from scratch.
it will be cheaper.
Much of the cost of a new airport could be defrayed by selling Heathrow as prime building land - brilliant communications with the rest of London, power, water etc etc. Plus the locals would have no problem with noisy construction.... How much would Heathrow be worth in that form - 30 billion? More?
absolutely.
build a new airport from scratch and estate agents will have a field day in redeveloping west London
it's not as if there's anything much worth preserving in the capital :-)
It's just I never understood this idea that if you moved the airport from Heathrow, the results would be a howling wasteland at Heathrow. The land is too valuable.....
The idea of Boris island was the point when I started taking Boris seriously as a Leader. He has a sense of real vision and insight into tackling major issues.
You have got to be joking. It was only a political stunt.
What an appalling, atrocious, and cowardly decision by Mrs May. She's yellow, sack up woman and defend your Heathrow decision. You wouldn't see Mrs Thatcher doing this with the wets.
Will we see Boris Johnson campaigning against his own government's policy in a by election?
Boris' Estury plan for a new airport was the most sensible from a growth and expansion point of view.
Truly, it wasn't.
Oh it was. But the British have lost the will to decide something important for it's future for decades now.
No, it was on the wrong side of London and regardless of the £40-50bn needed to build it (needing about £2bn per year in returns to be viable, Heathrow makes ~£600m) there were too many technical issues. A new airport would have to be south of St Albans but North of London to be viable in cost and location terms. Anything which isn't accessible by car is a non-starter.
just flatten Slough and build a brand new airport from scratch.
it will be cheaper.
Much of the cost of a new airport could be defrayed by selling Heathrow as prime building land - brilliant communications with the rest of London, power, water etc etc. Plus the locals would have no problem with noisy construction.... How much would Heathrow be worth in that form - 30 billion? More?
absolutely.
build a new airport from scratch and estate agents will have a field day in redeveloping west London
it's not as if there's anything much worth preserving in the capital :-)
It's just I never understood this idea that if you moved the airport from Heathrow, the results would be a howling wasteland at Heathrow. The land is too valuable.....
The idea of Boris island was the point when I started taking Boris seriously as a Leader. He has a sense of real vision and insight into tackling major issues.
By sticking an airport in the middle of nowhere?
Come on, it's not like he suggested putting a major hub in Atlanta...
What an appalling, atrocious, and cowardly decision by Mrs May. She's yellow, sack up woman and defend your Heathrow decision. You wouldn't see Mrs Thatcher doing this with the wets.
Will we see Boris Johnson campaigning against his own government's policy in a by election?
Boris' Estury plan for a new airport was the most sensible from a growth and expansion point of view.
Truly, it wasn't.
Oh it was. But the British have lost the will to decide something important for it's future for decades now.
No, it was on the wrong side of London and regardless of the £40-50bn needed to build it (needing about £2bn per year in returns to be viable, Heathrow makes ~£600m) there were too many technical issues. A new airport would have to be south of St Albans but North of London to be viable in cost and location terms. Anything which isn't accessible by car is a non-starter.
Why would it have mattered which side it was on as long as you have a fast rail link to central London? Also it would have meant that you could have all the latest facilities instead of adding them on to antiquated buildings and infrastructure at Heathrow.
What an appalling, atrocious, and cowardly decision by Mrs May. She's yellow, sack up woman and defend your Heathrow decision. You wouldn't see Mrs Thatcher doing this with the wets.
Will we see Boris Johnson campaigning against his own government's policy in a by election?
Boris' Estury plan for a new airport was the most sensible from a growth and expansion point of view.
Truly, it wasn't.
Oh it was. But the British have lost the will to decide something important for it's future for decades now.
No, it was on the wrong side of London and regardless of the £40-50bn needed to build it (needing about £2bn per year in returns to be viable, Heathrow makes ~£600m) there were too many technical issues. A new airport would have to be south of St Albans but North of London to be viable in cost and location terms. Anything which isn't accessible by car is a non-starter.
just flatten Slough and build a brand new airport from scratch.
it will be cheaper.
Much of the cost of a new airport could be defrayed by selling Heathrow as prime building land - brilliant communications with the rest of London, power, water etc etc. Plus the locals would have no problem with noisy construction.... How much would Heathrow be worth in that form - 30 billion? More?
absolutely.
build a new airport from scratch and estate agents will have a field day in redeveloping west London
it's not as if there's anything much worth preserving in the capital :-)
It's just I never understood this idea that if you moved the airport from Heathrow, the results would be a howling wasteland at Heathrow. The land is too valuable.....
The idea of Boris island was the point when I started taking Boris seriously as a Leader. He has a sense of real vision and insight into tackling major issues.
By sticking an airport in the middle of nowhere?
You're right. Instead, let's put the airport in the middle of 'somewhere' by demolishing Central London. If we get the position right we wont have to bother about the cost of renovating the Houses of Parliament either.
What an appalling, atrocious, and cowardly decision by Mrs May. She's yellow, sack up woman and defend your Heathrow decision. You wouldn't see Mrs Thatcher doing this with the wets.
Will we see Boris Johnson campaigning against his own government's policy in a by election?
Boris' Estury plan for a new airport was the most sensible from a growth and expansion point of view.
Truly, it wasn't.
Oh it was. But the British have lost the will to decide something important for it's future for decades now.
No, it was on the wrong side of London and regardless of the £40-50bn needed to build it (needing about £2bn per year in returns to be viable, Heathrow makes ~£600m) there were too many technical issues. A new airport would have to be south of St Albans but North of London to be viable in cost and location terms. Anything which isn't accessible by car is a non-starter.
Why would it have mattered which side it was on as long as you have a fast rail link to central London? Also it would have meant that you could have all the latest facilities instead of adding them on to antiquated buildings and infrastructure at Heathrow.
Because there's thousands of businesses on the M4 and M3 corridors that are deliberately located close to the airport. A significant number of people leaving LHR travel west, rather than east into London.
May's decision in Richmond suggests to me she is still more worried about having sufficient HoC votes for Brexit with her small majority than anything else.
I take this to mean she is still not planning to hold an early GE. But DYOR.
You're right. Instead, let's put the airport in the middle of 'somewhere' by demolishing Central London. If we get the position right we wont have to bother about the cost of renovating the Houses of Parliament either.
If we were picking a new ideal site then somewhere around Watford is the ideal spot. Loads of transport links, fast links to Euston, the Met line is a lot faster than the Piccadilly line and the flight path could be directed over empty land. Between the A41 and M25 is what I remember researching at one time.
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Zac should just have resigned the party whip - except he promised to have a by-election if Heathrow chosen.
On Agincourt day, I say unto Mrs May
That she which hath no stomach to this fight,
Let her depart; her passport shall be made,
And crowns for convoy put into her purse;
Spot on Pong.
I don't get this. As I posted on the previous thread, he secured 58.2% of the Richmond Park vote in the 2015 general election, and 57.0% of the first round vote there in the mayoral. If there was such a reaction against his campaign, you'd expect the figure to be well down - particularly given that it was an SV election and voters could take a free hit against him in the first round before transferring their vote. They didn't.
As for the by-election, I think it'll be very difficult to call and as Mike says, an enormous amount revolves around what Zac's status is. There, there are three main possibilities: the official Conservative candidate, an Independent with Conservative backing, and an Independent opposed by the Tories. I wouldn't like to call which one the party will go for but if it is the latter, I should think that motivating local workers to get out on the streets will be a tough ask.
Tory HQ will need somehow to agree to disregard its rules
as you Cameroons said for years, youve nowhere else to go.
I'm sure there's an enthusiastic pro-airport councillor in Richmond, who can draw lines on a map and show that the new runway takes planes away from Richmond and over Brentford instead.
As an aside, a few weeks ago I was reading some documents from the early 1980s. People were arguing that redevelopment of Docklands was pointless as businesses would never move to the wasteland.
Chortle.
it will be cheaper.
She was not selected as a high profile by-election candidate.
Vince Cable would be a better candidate and is an elderly white male, so has a better chance.
Can you imagine Mrs Thatcher not putting up a candidate in a situation like this ?
It isn't fit for humans now,
There isn't grass to graze a cow.
Swarm over, Death!
Come, bombs and blow to smithereens
Those air -conditioned, bright canteens,
Tinned fruit, tinned meat, tinned milk, tinned beans,
Tinned minds, tinned breath.
Mess up the mess they call a town-
A house for ninety-seven down
And once a week a half a crown
For twenty years.
And get that man with double chin
Who'll always cheat and always win,
Who washes his repulsive skin
In women's tears:
And smash his desk of polished oak
And smash his hands so used to stroke
And stop his boring dirty joke
And make him yell.
But spare the bald young clerks who add
The profits of the stinking cad;
It's not their fault that they are mad,
They've tasted Hell.
It's not their fault they do not know
The birdsong from the radio,
It's not their fault they often go
To Maidenhead
And talk of sport and makes of cars
In various bogus-Tudor bars
And daren't look up and see the stars
But belch instead.
In labour-saving homes, with care
Their wives frizz out peroxide hair
And dry it in synthetic air
And paint their nails.
Come, friendly bombs and fall on Slough
To get it ready for the plough.
The cabbages are coming now;
The earth exhales.
'Send the bugger a bill for wasting voters time. Twat.'
Well, hopefully that's what the electorate will do. The libs will make it all about hard brexit - send a message to May, Liam Fox and David Davis will be the content of every focus newsletter.'
Lib Dems rattled already ?
Heathrow is in utterly the wrong position; but it is what we have.
BTW, the latest Thames airport proposal is just part of a rather (ahem) grand scheme:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thames_Hub_integrated_infrastructure_vision
The elite talking to the elite?
Shurely shome mishtake ?
(Edit: Spooky, in the line above I spelt "mishtake" without the "h" and Google spellcheck marked it as an error and suggested the final version as a correction!)
On that topic, a radio advert heard in Dubai today. "Invest in premium London property in Staines-upon-Thames, with prices starting from only £340,000 with rental returns averaging 4.5%, call Knight Frank today"
Some charlatan is selling off-plan studio apartments in Staines to international investors at trumped-up prices on the back of the Sterling devaluation.
I can't work out if the foreign investment is a good thing, or if there will be an almighty backlash from the buyers when they realise what and where they've bought.
build a new airport from scratch and estate agents will have a field day in redeveloping west London
it's not as if there's anything much worth preserving in the capital :-)
Yes, the building boom in flats will die at some point. Leaving alot of cheap(er) flats. The only real concern is the effect on the banks of the bad loans that will be involved...
Camron A lister goes wrong.
how many times have we seen this ?
Any new airport needs to go in Cublingdon, where it was suggested as long ago as 1972. Otherwise expand Heathrow and start yesterday.
Clinton 46 .. Trump 42
http://www.ktnv.com/news/political/ktnvrasmussen-poll-clinton-pulls-ahead-of-trump-in-nevada-as-early-voting-starts
Clinton 45 .. Trump 46
https://www.monmouth.edu/polling-institute/reports/MonmouthPoll_AZ_102516/
They're talking about 2026 as the *start* of construction on the new runway. Dubai will have their new 6-runway airport in the desert finished by then!
But he may not be up for it, and he might be getting on a bit too. Also Farron might not trust him.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Airways_Flight_38
If they did put up a candidate they would have to expel Goldsmith for standing in an election against the official candidate (Schedule 6, para 13).
How will the ordinary elite of Richmond feel about voting for him?
Clinton 44 .. Trump 38
https://luc.id/2016-presidential-tracker/
"Three out of 10 passengers using Heathrow are travelling for business, 70 per cent for leisure. "
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/475537/London-Heathrow-the-best-facts-stats-and-trivia-behind-the-UK-s-busiest-airport
Heathrow is mainly leisure travel and freight.
Got to say, if I lived in Richmond I'd be voting Lib-Dem (even though I voted LEAVE, support Heathrow and T May)
Posh Boy Zack should be thrown out of public life and the Tories need to bloody nose for not fielding their own candidate.
I take this to mean she is still not planning to hold an early GE. But DYOR.