The bookies seem to have woken up (Hills at 5-6 the pair), bit sad I don't live near a Paddy shop right now though.
I just came on to say how annoyed I was having got 100 @ 2.1 on the LD PP would only let me have 49.40 @ 2.37 on Zac!
May have to lay off at my leisure.
You have £32.32 on the yellow peril at 2.87
Good numbers Pulps, but you're a smidge late. I laid off the LDs for £10 @ 2.02 (do keep up at the back) giving me £22 on the LDs @ 3.26. £20 is a loss I can handle. I'll probably wait and see if I can go all green, since I don't have a strong view on this one.
Fortune favours the fortunate once again it would seem and Theresa May finds herself in a win-win situation.
IF Zac wins the LDs suffer a setback (but no more) and presumably for all his so called independence Goldsmith will, after a suitable time, rediscover his conservatism and be admitted back into the tribe.
IF the LDs do win the seat Goldsmith is out of the picture and a new loyal Conservative can, with copious help from CCHQ return Richmond Park to the glorious Conservative fold.
No it's all worked out just fine for the Blessed Theresa.
Unless of course the local party decide to defy her, dump Zac and pick an official Conservative candidate.
The bookies seem to have woken up (Hills at 5-6 the pair), bit sad I don't live near a Paddy shop right now though.
I just came on to say how annoyed I was having got 100 @ 2.1 on the LD PP would only let me have 49.40 @ 2.37 on Zac!
May have to lay off at my leisure.
You have £32.32 on the yellow peril at 2.87
Good numbers Pulps, but you're a smidge late. I laid off the LDs for £10 @ 2.02 (do keep up at the back) giving me £22 on the LDs @ 3.26. £20 is a loss I can handle. I'll probably wait and see if I can go all green, since I don't have a strong view on this one.
I'm +15.88 Zac, +2.56 LD -79.94 "The Corbyn UKIP nightmare"
Was fast off the blocks and did all the right moves this time round, but was very limited.
If May were a competent leader, she would hold a vote in the full cabinet and if she won it, tell the minority to lump it or leave. If she lost it, then she herself would either lump it or leave. Instead we're going to have months of the media presenting as the "opposition" something that's occurring within Tory ranks. First it was the "wets", then the "bastards", and now it's the runway opponents. In between, it was the Blairites versus the Brownites, whatever on earth that may have denoted, during a decade of having the same two men as PM and chancellor. Sure, the airport contract is big money, but how important is it compared to major issues in the country? The Tory party is so pathetic that it can't run a candidate against some silly boy who's resigned his seat to stick two fingers up at the government? Hasn't anyone in it got the courage of their convictions? Maybe just hand the government over to Zac Goldsmith?
Well put.
We keep hearing this sh!t of 'courage of their convictions' sometimes people with courage of their convictions are dangerous people with views that no one can change,better to have a listening PM.
On the tories not running against Zac,well done Theresa,this will turn into a remain/leave fight - especially from the lib dems and the tories need all the leave MP's they can get.
Let the courage of his convictions candidate sort this mess out with a little help from the high command.
But she's so lacking in imagination. Everything about her is so retro and not in a good way. Grammar schools ..Heathrow ...Boris... naming and shaming ..... sending trucks into immigrant areas telling them to 'Go Home'.
But she's so lacking in imagination. Everything about her is so retro and not in a good way. Grammar schools ..Heathrow ...Boris... naming and shaming ..... sending trucks into immigrant areas of telling immigrants to 'Go Home'.
A complete shit when you think about it.....
Almost like the jezziah...but only almost. No way would he last six seconds let alone six years in a Cabinet post.
Indeed both main parties seem to have a back to the 70s yen at the moment, despite the fact that it's also clear neither of them have the least idea of what that means save some vague idea of 'the good old days'.
How quickly can we expect Zac's campaign to be up and running? I would like to donate both money and my time to it.
What you need to do is log onto zac's special donation portal at www.betfair.com, navigate to "Richmond Byelection" and then click on the blue box next to "Zac Goldsmith."
Don't worry about the "odds" - just put in a number below 1.52 - and your donation amount in the "stake" box.
Once you've hit "place bets" Pong gets to cash out of the market at something approaching fair odds your donation to Zac's reelection campaign fund will have been successfully processed.
RichmondPark: a reminder that @ZacGoldsmith ran an obnoxious dog-whistle Mayoral campaign, & voted for Brexit in a 70% Remain constituency. https://t.co/2t9oE2veMm
Zac's Muslim-bashing, Hindu gold-hoarding racist campaign will drag itself out of the fetid swamp to which it was cast and sink its rotting gums into his squidgy backside over the next few days, as sure as rotten eggs are rotten eggs.
Don't know why he didn't have a backbone about his awful campaign for Mayor but has one now, I don't believe he was fully behind that campaign tbh.
"Whitbread’s boss has warned wages will be pushed up with a potential knock-on impact for prices if Brexit shrinks the pool of workers available to the owner of Costa and Premier Inn. Alison Brittain, Whitbread’s chief executive, said about a fifth of her 50,000 UK employees came from other EU countries , with the figureshigher in London and other cities and large towns. If there were fewer EU workers that would affect wages at Whitbread and other businesses, she said."
Observations: 1. This is this excellent news for the low paid and exactly the reason why many voted for Brexit. 2. Shame then that the Guardian sees fit to report it as a "warning".
Exclusive: leaked recording shows what Theresa May really thinks about Brexit
Secret audio of Goldman Sachs talk in May shows she wanted the UK to lead in Europe and feared businesses would leave
Theresa May privately warned that companies would leave the UK if the country voted for Brexit during a secret audience with investment bankers a month before the EU referendum.
A recording of her remarks to Goldman Sachs, leaked to the Guardian, reveals she had numerous concerns about Britain leaving the EU. It contrasts with her nuanced public speeches, which dismayed remain campaigners before the vote in June.
Speaking at the bank in London on 26 May, the then home secretary appeared to go further than her public remarks to explain more clearly the economic benefits of staying in the EU. She told staff it was time the UK took a lead in Europe, and that she hoped voters would look to the future rather than the past.
In an hour-long session before the City bankers, she also worried about the effect of Brexit on the British economy.
“I think the economic arguments are clear,” she said. “I think being part of a 500-million trading bloc is significant for us. I think, as I was saying to you a little earlier, that one of the issues is that a lot of people will invest here in the UK because it is the UK in Europe.
Theresa May privately warned that companies would leave the UK if the country voted for Brexit during a secret audience with investment bankers a month before the EU referendum.
A recording of her remarks to Goldman Sachs, leaked to the Guardian, reveals she had numerous concerns about Britain leaving the EU. It contrasts with her nuanced public speeches, which dismayed remain campaigners before the vote in June.
Exclusive: leaked recording shows what Theresa May really thinks about Brexit
Secret audio of Goldman Sachs talk in May shows she wanted the UK to lead in Europe and feared businesses would leave
Theresa May privately warned that companies would leave the UK if the country voted for Brexit during a secret audience with investment bankers a month before the EU referendum.
A recording of her remarks to Goldman Sachs, leaked to the Guardian, reveals she had numerous concerns about Britain leaving the EU. It contrasts with her nuanced public speeches, which dismayed remain campaigners before the vote in June.
Speaking at the bank in London on 26 May, the then home secretary appeared to go further than her public remarks to explain more clearly the economic benefits of staying in the EU. She told staff it was time the UK took a lead in Europe, and that she hoped voters would look to the future rather than the past.
In an hour-long session before the City bankers, she also worried about the effect of Brexit on the British economy.
“I think the economic arguments are clear,” she said. “I think being part of a 500-million trading bloc is significant for us. I think, as I was saying to you a little earlier, that one of the issues is that a lot of people will invest here in the UK because it is the UK in Europe.
Exclusive: leaked recording shows what Theresa May really thinks about Brexit
Secret audio of Goldman Sachs talk in May shows she wanted the UK to lead in Europe and feared businesses would leave
Theresa May privately warned that companies would leave the UK if the country voted for Brexit during a secret audience with investment bankers a month before the EU referendum.
A recording of her remarks to Goldman Sachs, leaked to the Guardian, reveals she had numerous concerns about Britain leaving the EU. It contrasts with her nuanced public speeches, which dismayed remain campaigners before the vote in June.
Speaking at the bank in London on 26 May, the then home secretary appeared to go further than her public remarks to explain more clearly the economic benefits of staying in the EU. She told staff it was time the UK took a lead in Europe, and that she hoped voters would look to the future rather than the past.
In an hour-long session before the City bankers, she also worried about the effect of Brexit on the British economy.
“I think the economic arguments are clear,” she said. “I think being part of a 500-million trading bloc is significant for us. I think, as I was saying to you a little earlier, that one of the issues is that a lot of people will invest here in the UK because it is the UK in Europe.
RichmondPark: a reminder that @ZacGoldsmith ran an obnoxious dog-whistle Mayoral campaign, & voted for Brexit in a 70% Remain constituency. https://t.co/2t9oE2veMm
That really is gutter stuff. I forgot just how mendacious that campaign was. It brought shame on Goldsmith and the party.
Theresa May privately warned that companies would leave the UK if the country voted for Brexit during a secret audience with investment bankers a month before the EU referendum.
A recording of her remarks to Goldman Sachs, leaked to the Guardian, reveals she had numerous concerns about Britain leaving the EU. It contrasts with her nuanced public speeches, which dismayed remain campaigners before the vote in June.
1) Zac quits lib Dems win seat, Heathrow extension gets built anyway. 2) Alternatively Zac quits wins as independent , lib Dems come oh so close and Heathrow extension gets built anyway. 3) Zac quits, Labout get a landslide, lib dems and Zac as independent lose deposits and Heathrow extension gets built anyway. ( ok maybe not Labour)
Either way Heathrow extension gets built unless Zac lies in front of an earth mover as a token as an independent which either way makes Zac look like a rather elongated dipstick.
1) Zac quits lib Dems win seat, Heathrow extension gets built anyway. 2) Alternatively Zac quits wins as independent , lib Dems come oh so close and Heathrow extension gets built anyway. 3) Zac quits, Labout get a landslide, lib dems and Zac as independent lose deposits and Heathrow extension gets built anyway. ( ok maybe not Labour)
Either way Heathrow extension gets built unless Zac lies in front of an earth mover as a token as an independent which either way makes Zac look like a rather elongated dipstick.
If he wore a white suit the visual effect would be more impressive.
Has anyone seen any statement from the Govt as to what we the tax payers will be funding to assist this expansion of Heathrow? Tfl listed a couple of numbers and then there is compensation, land costs, roads etc etc.
What is Zac's plan if he wins as an independent? Does he re-join the Government benches in Parliament as a Con or as an Independent or would he join the opposition benches? Also it does make it awkward for the local Conservative party members to join his campaign which is really in protest about their own party. If he has any problems getting help from the local party then his campaign may well be swamped by the newly invigorated Libdem by-election machine.
Observations: 1. This is this excellent news for the low paid and exactly the reason why many voted for Brexit. 2. Shame then that the Guardian sees fit to report it as a "warning".
Yes. As if the Guardian and its readers ever cared about the low paid working class people of this country.
I don't understand the data, at least as Luntz gives it.
R's usually start w/HUGE EV advantage, which whittles down by elex-day. This time? Already gone!
The US has a peculiar trait of (1) allowing voters to register either as Democrats or Republicans (or as something else if anything), then (2) to allow early voting in person in many states which could this year account for 35%+ of all ballots cast and then (3) to publish daily totals by party affiliation that can be compared with previous years at the same period.
This is real data, in contrast to all the random variation, house effects and speculation inherent in interpreting polling, and gives a huge additional insight into the way things are starting to turn out.
For example, Nevada too looks good for the Democrats:
Exclusive: leaked recording shows what Theresa May really thinks about Brexit
Secret audio of Goldman Sachs talk in May shows she wanted the UK to lead in Europe and feared businesses would leave
Theresa May privately warned that companies would leave the UK if the country voted for Brexit during a secret audience with investment bankers a month before the EU referendum.
A recording of her remarks to Goldman Sachs, leaked to the Guardian, reveals she had numerous concerns about Britain leaving the EU. It contrasts with her nuanced public speeches, which dismayed remain campaigners before the vote in June.
Speaking at the bank in London on 26 May, the then home secretary appeared to go further than her public remarks to explain more clearly the economic benefits of staying in the EU. She told staff it was time the UK took a lead in Europe, and that she hoped voters would look to the future rather than the past.
In an hour-long session before the City bankers, she also worried about the effect of Brexit on the British economy.
“I think the economic arguments are clear,” she said. “I think being part of a 500-million trading bloc is significant for us. I think, as I was saying to you a little earlier, that one of the issues is that a lot of people will invest here in the UK because it is the UK in Europe.
Theresa May privately warned that companies would leave the UK if the country voted for Brexit during a secret audience with investment bankers a month before the EU referendum.
A recording of her remarks to Goldman Sachs, leaked to the Guardian, reveals she had numerous concerns about Britain leaving the EU. It contrasts with her nuanced public speeches, which dismayed remain campaigners before the vote in June.
Wasn't she a Remainer? Hardly surprising and not hypocritical. What is the story?
That she had concerns is not surprising given she was indeed a Remainer. It's only remarkable because you'd hardly know she had been a Remainer, since the spin (and fanboy message) since she became PM has not been 'I did not personally vote for this but the people did, and we can and will make a success of it' and more 'Leaving is awesome, anyone who raises any concerns, even if they were a Leaver too, is a Remoaning loser'.
"Whitbread’s boss has warned wages will be pushed up with a potential knock-on impact for prices if Brexit shrinks the pool of workers available to the owner of Costa and Premier Inn. Alison Brittain, Whitbread’s chief executive, said about a fifth of her 50,000 UK employees came from other EU countries , with the figureshigher in London and other cities and large towns. If there were fewer EU workers that would affect wages at Whitbread and other businesses, she said."
Observations: 1. This is this excellent news for the low paid and exactly the reason why many voted for Brexit. 2. Shame then that the Guardian sees fit to report it as a "warning".
But, it's very bad news if you're someone who benefits from lashing the workers.
Theresa May privately warned that companies would leave the UK if the country voted for Brexit during a secret audience with investment bankers a month before the EU referendum.
A recording of her remarks to Goldman Sachs, leaked to the Guardian, reveals she had numerous concerns about Britain leaving the EU. It contrasts with her nuanced public speeches, which dismayed remain campaigners before the vote in June.
Wasn't she a Remainer? Hardly surprising and not hypocritical. What is the story?
That she had concerns is not surprising given she was indeed a Remainer. It's only remarkable because you'd hardly know she had been a Remainer, since the spin (and fanboy message) since she became PM has not been 'I did not personally vote for this but the people did, and we can and will make a success of it' and more 'Leaving is awesome, anyone who raises any concerns, even if they were a Leaver too, is a Remoaning loser'.
She probably realises it makes more sense when you are in charge of running a country to deal with the reality rather than sulk because something didn't go your way.
1) Zac quits lib Dems win seat, Heathrow extension gets built anyway. 2) Alternatively Zac quits wins as independent , lib Dems come oh so close and Heathrow extension gets built anyway. 3) Zac quits, Labout get a landslide, lib dems and Zac as independent lose deposits and Heathrow extension gets built anyway. ( ok maybe not Labour)
Either way Heathrow extension gets built unless Zac lies in front of an earth mover as a token as an independent which either way makes Zac look like a rather elongated dipstick.
As well as the formidable legal problems, there are enormous financial problems such as who is going to pay? This is totally unclear at the moment but will become clearer during the coming months.
For sure, the foreign owners of Heathrow won't pay. They intend to make a profit on it.
It will be a combination of massive hikes in airport charges on passengers - which is why British Airways is adamantly against it. And the massive multi billion pound changes to the M25 near the M4 junction will be funded by the taxpayer for the benefit of the owners of Heathrow. That will be popular.
We need extra airport capacity, but as Zac says, the Heathrow expansion will be an embarrassing millstone for the Government, but much worse, it won't get built - and we'll still need the capacity. Meanwhile Gatwick is shovel ready. What a disaster!
Theresa May privately warned that companies would leave the UK if the country voted for Brexit during a secret audience with investment bankers a month before the EU referendum.
A recording of her remarks to Goldman Sachs, leaked to the Guardian, reveals she had numerous concerns about Britain leaving the EU. It contrasts with her nuanced public speeches, which dismayed remain campaigners before the vote in June.
Wasn't she a Remainer? Hardly surprising and not hypocritical. What is the story?
That she had concerns is not surprising given she was indeed a Remainer. It's only remarkable because you'd hardly know she had been a Remainer, since the spin (and fanboy message) since she became PM has not been 'I did not personally vote for this but the people did, and we can and will make a success of it' and more 'Leaving is awesome, anyone who raises any concerns, even if they were a Leaver too, is a Remoaning loser'.
Yes, there is a quiet fascism about Brexit. All those with conscientious objections must be silenced. May is, as you say, culpable.
I don't understand the data, at least as Luntz gives it.
In an election where one candidate is a Democrat and the other is an outsider who stole the Republicans' colours, surely this kind of inference is liable to be wide of the mark.
Observations: 1. This is this excellent news for the low paid and exactly the reason why many voted for Brexit. 2. Shame then that the Guardian sees fit to report it as a "warning".
Yes. As if the Guardian and its readers ever cared about the low paid working class people of this country.
Clearly, no-one who supported this and the previous government's welfare spending and public services cuts could possibly claim to care about low paid working class people either.
What is Zac's plan if he wins as an independent? Does he re-join the Government benches in Parliament as a Con or as an Independent or would he join the opposition benches? Also it does make it awkward for the local Conservative party members to join his campaign which is really in protest about their own party. If he has any problems getting help from the local party then his campaign may well be swamped by the newly invigorated Libdem by-election machine.
One reason there's no official Conservative might well be to avoid having to process mass expulsions in the local party as members trot off to support Zac.
"Whitbread’s boss has warned wages will be pushed up with a potential knock-on impact for prices if Brexit shrinks the pool of workers available to the owner of Costa and Premier Inn. Alison Brittain, Whitbread’s chief executive, said about a fifth of her 50,000 UK employees came from other EU countries , with the figureshigher in London and other cities and large towns. If there were fewer EU workers that would affect wages at Whitbread and other businesses, she said."
Observations: 1. This is this excellent news for the low paid and exactly the reason why many voted for Brexit. 2. Shame then that the Guardian sees fit to report it as a "warning".
It's reporting that she was issuing a warning. Can't see that is a problem.
Theresa May privately warned that companies would leave the UK if the country voted for Brexit during a secret audience with investment bankers a month before the EU referendum.
A recording of her remarks to Goldman Sachs, leaked to the Guardian, reveals she had numerous concerns about Britain leaving the EU. It contrasts with her nuanced public speeches, which dismayed remain campaigners before the vote in June.
Wasn't she a Remainer? Hardly surprising and not hypocritical. What is the story?
That she had concerns is not surprising given she was indeed a Remainer. It's only remarkable because you'd hardly know she had been a Remainer, since the spin (and fanboy message) since she became PM has not been 'I did not personally vote for this but the people did, and we can and will make a success of it' and more 'Leaving is awesome, anyone who raises any concerns, even if they were a Leaver too, is a Remoaning loser'.
Yes, there is a quiet fascism about Brexit. All those with conscientious objections must be silenced. May is, as you say, culpable.
It's hardly quiet! It's deafening. And it's very revealing.
Theresa May privately warned that companies would leave the UK if the country voted for Brexit during a secret audience with investment bankers a month before the EU referendum.
A recording of her remarks to Goldman Sachs, leaked to the Guardian, reveals she had numerous concerns about Britain leaving the EU. It contrasts with her nuanced public speeches, which dismayed remain campaigners before the vote in June.
Wasn't she a Remainer? Hardly surprising and not hypocritical. What is the story?
That she had concerns is not surprising given she was indeed a Remainer. It's only remarkable because you'd hardly know she had been a Remainer, since the spin (and fanboy message) since she became PM has not been 'I did not personally vote for this but the people did, and we can and will make a success of it' and more 'Leaving is awesome, anyone who raises any concerns, even if they were a Leaver too, is a Remoaning loser'.
Yes, there is a quiet fascism about Brexit. All those with conscientious objections must be silenced. May is, as you say, culpable.
It's hardly quiet! It's deafening. And it's very revealing.
Almost none of the people who've advocated leaving the European Union over the years actually imagined that it could happen, or that they could have some responsibility in making it happen smoothly. They just indulged their fantasies that one day the 'evil EUSSR' would come crashing down and they could say, "I told you so." The prospect that the EU will go on happily without us is what keeps many of them awake at night.
I don't think the Icelandic election is a barometer of anything (population 300,000), but it is interesting the way in which all the establishment parties have fallen and now a party of computer hackers are front runners (albeit amidst a crowded field). Arguably Jon Gnarr and the best party as Mayor of Reykjavik (2010-2014) was the best post truth politician. Check out his campaign video below. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xxBW4mPzv6E
Almost none of the people who've advocated leaving the European Union over the years actually imagined that it could happen, or that they could have some responsibility in making it happen smoothly. They just indulged their fantasies that one day the 'evil EUSSR' would come crashing down and they could say, "I told you so." The prospect that the EU will go on happily without us is what keeps many of them awake at night.
Theresa May privately warned that companies would leave the UK if the country voted for Brexit during a secret audience with investment bankers a month before the EU referendum.
A recording of her remarks to Goldman Sachs, leaked to the Guardian, reveals she had numerous concerns about Britain leaving the EU. It contrasts with her nuanced public speeches, which dismayed remain campaigners before the vote in June.
Wasn't she a Remainer? Hardly surprising and not hypocritical. What is the story?
That she had concerns is not surprising given she was indeed a Remainer. It's only remarkable because you'd hardly know she had been a Remainer, since the spin (and fanboy message) since she became PM has not been 'I did not personally vote for this but the people did, and we can and will make a success of it' and more 'Leaving is awesome, anyone who raises any concerns, even if they were a Leaver too, is a Remoaning loser'.
Yes, there is a quiet fascism about Brexit. All those with conscientious objections must be silenced. May is, as you say, culpable.
By the way, do you have that list of words and phrases that you'd like banned from this site handy?
Theresa May privately warned that companies would leave the UK if the country voted for Brexit during a secret audience with investment bankers a month before the EU referendum.
A recording of her remarks to Goldman Sachs, leaked to the Guardian, reveals she had numerous concerns about Britain leaving the EU. It contrasts with her nuanced public speeches, which dismayed remain campaigners before the vote in June.
Wasn't she a Remainer? Hardly surprising and not hypocritical. What is the story?
That she had concerns is not surprising given she was indeed a Remainer. It's only remarkable because you'd hardly know she had been a Remainer, since the spin (and fanboy message) since she became PM has not been 'I did not personally vote for this but the people did, and we can and will make a success of it' and more 'Leaving is awesome, anyone who raises any concerns, even if they were a Leaver too, is a Remoaning loser'.
Yes, there is a quiet fascism about Brexit. All those with conscientious objections must be silenced. May is, as you say, culpable.
It's hardly quiet! It's deafening. And it's very revealing.
Almost none of the people who've advocated leaving the European Union over the years actually imagined that it could happen, or that they could have some responsibility in making it happen smoothly. They just indulged their fantasies that one day the 'evil EUSSR' would come crashing down and they could say, "I told you so." The prospect that the EU will go on happily without us is what keeps many of them awake at night.
1) Zac quits lib Dems win seat, Heathrow extension gets built anyway. 2) Alternatively Zac quits wins as independent , lib Dems come oh so close and Heathrow extension gets built anyway. 3) Zac quits, Labout get a landslide, lib dems and Zac as independent lose deposits and Heathrow extension gets built anyway. ( ok maybe not Labour)
Either way Heathrow extension gets built unless Zac lies in front of an earth mover as a token as an independent which either way makes Zac look like a rather elongated dipstick.
As well as the formidable legal problems, there are enormous financial problems such as who is going to pay? This is totally unclear at the moment but will become clearer during the coming months.
For sure, the foreign owners of Heathrow won't pay. They intend to make a profit on it.
It will be a combination of massive hikes in airport charges on passengers - which is why British Airways is adamantly against it. And the massive multi billion pound changes to the M25 near the M4 junction will be funded by the taxpayer for the benefit of the owners of Heathrow. That will be popular.
We need extra airport capacity, but as Zac says, the Heathrow expansion will be an embarrassing millstone for the Government, but much worse, it won't get built - and we'll still need the capacity. Meanwhile Gatwick is shovel ready. What a disaster!
The problem with Gatwick is that its a pain in the arse for anyone north of Watford to get to, even more than Heathrow !
1) Zac quits lib Dems win seat, Heathrow extension gets built anyway. 2) Alternatively Zac quits wins as independent , lib Dems come oh so close and Heathrow extension gets built anyway. 3) Zac quits, Labout get a landslide, lib dems and Zac as independent lose deposits and Heathrow extension gets built anyway. ( ok maybe not Labour)
Either way Heathrow extension gets built unless Zac lies in front of an earth mover as a token as an independent which either way makes Zac look like a rather elongated dipstick.
As well as the formidable legal problems, there are enormous financial problems such as who is going to pay? This is totally unclear at the moment but will become clearer during the coming months.
For sure, the foreign owners of Heathrow won't pay. They intend to make a profit on it.
It will be a combination of massive hikes in airport charges on passengers - which is why British Airways is adamantly against it. And the massive multi billion pound changes to the M25 near the M4 junction will be funded by the taxpayer for the benefit of the owners of Heathrow. That will be popular.
We need extra airport capacity, but as Zac says, the Heathrow expansion will be an embarrassing millstone for the Government, but much worse, it won't get built - and we'll still need the capacity. Meanwhile Gatwick is shovel ready. What a disaster!
The problem with Gatwick is that its a pain in the arse for anyone north of Watford to get to, even more than Heathrow !
I have direct train to Gatwick. Since this is run by the legendary Southern trains, I am no better off. It's easier to walk .
Theresa May privately warned that companies would leave the UK if the country voted for Brexit during a secret audience with investment bankers a month before the EU referendum.
A recording of her remarks to Goldman Sachs, leaked to the Guardian, reveals she had numerous concerns about Britain leaving the EU. It contrasts with her nuanced public speeches, which dismayed remain campaigners before the vote in June.
Wasn't she a Remainer? Hardly surprising and not hypocritical. What is the story?
That she had concerns is not surprising given she was indeed a Remainer. It's only remarkable because you'd hardly know she had been a Remainer, since the spin (and fanboy message) since she became PM has not been 'I did not personally vote for this but the people did, and we can and will make a success of it' and more 'Leaving is awesome, anyone who raises any concerns, even if they were a Leaver too, is a Remoaning loser'.
Yes, there is a quiet fascism about Brexit. All those with conscientious objections must be silenced. May is, as you say, culpable.
It's hardly quiet! It's deafening. And it's very revealing.
The response to the petition to make believing in joining the EU again a treasonable offence was interesting, it was treated as a joke which says a lot.
1) Zac quits lib Dems win seat, Heathrow extension gets built anyway. 2) Alternatively Zac quits wins as independent , lib Dems come oh so close and Heathrow extension gets built anyway. 3) Zac quits, Labout get a landslide, lib dems and Zac as independent lose deposits and Heathrow extension gets built anyway. ( ok maybe not Labour)
Either way Heathrow extension gets built unless Zac lies in front of an earth mover as a token as an independent which either way makes Zac look like a rather elongated dipstick.
As well as the formidable legal problems, there are enormous financial problems such as who is going to pay? This is totally unclear at the moment but will become clearer during the coming months.
For sure, the foreign owners of Heathrow won't pay. They intend to make a profit on it.
It will be a combination of massive hikes in airport charges on passengers - which is why British Airways is adamantly against it. And the massive multi billion pound changes to the M25 near the M4 junction will be funded by the taxpayer for the benefit of the owners of Heathrow. That will be popular.
We need extra airport capacity, but as Zac says, the Heathrow expansion will be an embarrassing millstone for the Government, but much worse, it won't get built - and we'll still need the capacity. Meanwhile Gatwick is shovel ready. What a disaster!
The problem with Gatwick is that its a pain in the arse for anyone north of Watford to get to, even more than Heathrow !
I've just put Watford to Heathrow and Watford to Gatwick into Google maps.
By public transport, Watford to Heathrow is 80 minutes and Watford to Gatwick is 71 minutes.
But by car, it takes 30 minutes longer to get to Gatwick. Not a big deal if the Gatwick expansion can actually be built and costs £10 billion less.
Think of the uncosted delays and pollution of many millions of car journeys over several years as the M25 is diverted and extended and the runway built over the top of it. Not in the Heathrow case but very real to anyone using the M25.
1) Zac quits lib Dems win seat, Heathrow extension gets built anyway. 2) Alternatively Zac quits wins as independent , lib Dems come oh so close and Heathrow extension gets built anyway. 3) Zac quits, Labout get a landslide, lib dems and Zac as independent lose deposits and Heathrow extension gets built anyway. ( ok maybe not Labour)
Either way Heathrow extension gets built unless Zac lies in front of an earth mover as a token as an independent which either way makes Zac look like a rather elongated dipstick.
As well as the formidable legal problems, there are enormous financial problems such as who is going to pay? This is totally unclear at the moment but will become clearer during the coming months.
For sure, the foreign owners of Heathrow won't pay. They intend to make a profit on it.
It will be a combination of massive hikes in airport charges on passengers - which is why British Airways is adamantly against it. And the massive multi billion pound changes to the M25 near the M4 junction will be funded by the taxpayer for the benefit of the owners of Heathrow. That will be popular.
We need extra airport capacity, but as Zac says, the Heathrow expansion will be an embarrassing millstone for the Government, but much worse, it won't get built - and we'll still need the capacity. Meanwhile Gatwick is shovel ready. What a disaster!
The problem with Gatwick is that its a pain in the arse for anyone north of Watford to get to, even more than Heathrow !
I've just put Watford to Heathrow and Watford to Gatwick into Google maps.
By public transport, Watford to Heathrow is 80 minutes and Watford to Gatwick is 71 minutes.
But by car, it takes 30 minutes longer to get to Gatwick. Not a big deal if the Gatwick expansion can actually be built and costs £10 billion less.
Think of the uncosted delays and pollution of many millions of car journeys over several years as the M25 is diverted and extended and the runway built over the top of it. Not in the Heathrow case but very real to anyone using the M25.
Faisal Islam makes no attempt to hide his desire for Brexit to fail. He is joined by Beth Rigby and Ed Conway to make a triumvirate of the the Sky Jonah's
Theresa May privately warned that companies would leave the UK if the country voted for Brexit during a secret audience with investment bankers a month before the EU referendum.
A recording of her remarks to Goldman Sachs, leaked to the Guardian, reveals she had numerous concerns about Britain leaving the EU. It contrasts with her nuanced public speeches, which dismayed remain campaigners before the vote in June.
Wasn't she a Remainer? Hardly surprising and not hypocritical. What is the story?
That she had concerns is not surprising given she was indeed a Remainer. It's only remarkable because you'd hardly know she had been a Remainer, since the spin (and fanboy message) since she became PM has not been 'I did not personally vote for this but the people did, and we can and will make a success of it' and more 'Leaving is awesome, anyone who raises any concerns, even if they were a Leaver too, is a Remoaning loser'.
Yes, there is a quiet fascism about Brexit. All those with conscientious objections must be silenced. May is, as you say, culpable.
It's hardly quiet! It's deafening. And it's very revealing.
Almost none of the people who've advocated leaving the European Union over the years actually imagined that it could happen, or that they could have some responsibility in making it happen smoothly. They just indulged their fantasies that one day the 'evil EUSSR' would come crashing down and they could say, "I told you so." The prospect that the EU will go on happily without us is what keeps many of them awake at night.
Doesn't keep me awake at night
I referred to 'people who've advocated leaving the European Union over the years'. You voted Remain...
Okay then, let's cancel election day in Florida. We already know the result.
No of course not but if Trump did win Florida and added it to Ohio and Iowa and held the Romney states he would be on 258 EC votes. He would then only need to add the 20 EC votes from Pennsylvania to get over the 270 mark
Theresa May privately warned that companies would leave the UK if the country voted for Brexit during a secret audience with investment bankers a month before the EU referendum.
A recording of her remarks to Goldman Sachs, leaked to the Guardian, reveals she had numerous concerns about Britain leaving the EU. It contrasts with her nuanced public speeches, which dismayed remain campaigners before the vote in June.
Wasn't she a Remainer? Hardly surprising and not hypocritical. What is the story?
That she had concerns is not surprising given she was indeed a Remainer. It's only remarkable because you'd hardly know she had been a Remainer, since the spin (and fanboy message) since she became PM has not been 'I did not personally vote for this but the people did, and we can and will make a success of it' and more 'Leaving is awesome, anyone who raises any concerns, even if they were a Leaver too, is a Remoaning loser'.
Yes, there is a quiet fascism about Brexit. All those with conscientious objections must be silenced. May is, as you say, culpable.
It's hardly quiet! It's deafening. And it's very revealing.
Almost none of the people who've advocated leaving the European Union over the years actually imagined that it could happen, or that they could have some responsibility in making it happen smoothly. They just indulged their fantasies that one day the 'evil EUSSR' would come crashing down and they could say, "I told you so." The prospect that the EU will go on happily without us is what keeps many of them awake at night.
Doesn't keep me awake at night
I referred to 'people who've advocated leaving the European Union over the years'. You voted Remain...
Yes I did but I want Brexit to succeed and am very much a paid up leaver now
As well as the formidable legal problems, there are enormous financial problems such as who is going to pay? This is totally unclear at the moment but will become clearer during the coming months.
For sure, the foreign owners of Heathrow won't pay. They intend to make a profit on it.
It will be a combination of massive hikes in airport charges on passengers - which is why British Airways is adamantly against it. And the massive multi billion pound changes to the M25 near the M4 junction will be funded by the taxpayer for the benefit of the owners of Heathrow. That will be popular.
We need extra airport capacity, but as Zac says, the Heathrow expansion will be an embarrassing millstone for the Government, but much worse, it won't get built - and we'll still need the capacity. Meanwhile Gatwick is shovel ready. What a disaster!
The problem with Gatwick is that its a pain in the arse for anyone north of Watford to get to, even more than Heathrow !
I appreciate this is a difficult decision but as someone who occasionally drives on the M25 around Heathrow I cannot understand why any further development in this area could even be considered viable. I note your comment re-changes to the M25 but suspect money could be better spent elsewhere if people had an open mind.
As well as the formidable legal problems, there are enormous financial problems such as who is going to pay? This is totally unclear at the moment but will become clearer during the coming months.
For sure, the foreign owners of Heathrow won't pay. They intend to make a profit on it.
It will be a combination of massive hikes in airport charges on passengers - which is why British Airways is adamantly against it. And the massive multi billion pound changes to the M25 near the M4 junction will be funded by the taxpayer for the benefit of the owners of Heathrow. That will be popular.
We need extra airport capacity, but as Zac says, the Heathrow expansion will be an embarrassing millstone for the Government, but much worse, it won't get built - and we'll still need the capacity. Meanwhile Gatwick is shovel ready. What a disaster!
The problem with Gatwick is that its a pain in the arse for anyone north of Watford to get to, even more than Heathrow !
I appreciate this is a difficult decision but as someone who occasionally drives on the M25 around Heathrow I cannot understand why any further development in this area could even be considered viable. I note your comment re-changes to the M25 but suspect money could be better spent elsewhere if people had an open mind.
Like what?
Gatwick is shit to get to and even worse if you actually make it there. Sometimes you feel you have to take a shuttle flight from the gate to the terminal, it is that badly designed.
"Whitbread’s boss has warned wages will be pushed up with a potential knock-on impact for prices if Brexit shrinks the pool of workers available to the owner of Costa and Premier Inn. Alison Brittain, Whitbread’s chief executive, said about a fifth of her 50,000 UK employees came from other EU countries , with the figureshigher in London and other cities and large towns. If there were fewer EU workers that would affect wages at Whitbread and other businesses, she said."
Observations: 1. This is this excellent news for the low paid and exactly the reason why many voted for Brexit. 2. Shame then that the Guardian sees fit to report it as a "warning".
Serious studies show that immigration tends to be a wash as far as wage levels are concerned. In fact, they very slightly depress wages at the bottom end and boost wages by a similar small amount at the top end. That's because immigrants are on average underpaid for their skill levels while mostly substituting for other immigrants in the same jobs.. Of course you can argue it the other way by pointing out they don't boost the overall economic well-being of native born Brits either.
What is Zac's plan if he wins as an independent? Does he re-join the Government benches in Parliament as a Con or as an Independent or would he join the opposition benches? Also it does make it awkward for the local Conservative party members to join his campaign which is really in protest about their own party. If he has any problems getting help from the local party then his campaign may well be swamped by the newly invigorated Libdem by-election machine.
One reason there's no official Conservative might well be to avoid having to process mass expulsions in the local party as members trot off to support Zac.
That makes sense certainly, thanks. I think that May has really no choice but to have the party stand aside and let Zac be Zac otherwise the Libdems would certainly win. (as it is I think they are around a 2/1 shot, they are just so far behind) Interesting precedent it could be setting for down the road though if something else crops up in the next 4 years that makes a Conservative MP (or more than 1) want to resign and have a by-election to make a point.
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The future's bright. The future's orange
Good opportunity if you were quick.
Clinton 50 .. Trump 38
http://www.democracycorps.com/attachments/article/1051/Dcor_Oct National_FQ_10.24.2016_ealert.pdf
Fortune favours the fortunate once again it would seem and Theresa May finds herself in a win-win situation.
IF Zac wins the LDs suffer a setback (but no more) and presumably for all his so called independence Goldsmith will, after a suitable time, rediscover his conservatism and be admitted back into the tribe.
IF the LDs do win the seat Goldsmith is out of the picture and a new loyal Conservative can, with copious help from CCHQ return Richmond Park to the glorious Conservative fold.
No it's all worked out just fine for the Blessed Theresa.
Unless of course the local party decide to defy her, dump Zac and pick an official Conservative candidate.
Was fast off the blocks and did all the right moves this time round, but was very limited.
FL - Clinton 46 .. Trump 43
OH - Clinton 42 .. Trump 44
PA - Clinton 45 .. Trump 40
NC - Clinton 46 .. Trump 43
http://www.allianceesapoll.com/new-poll-results.html
http://us.cnn.com/2016/10/25/politics/colin-powell-hillary-clinton-endorsement/index.html
A complete shit when you think about it.....
Indeed both main parties seem to have a back to the 70s yen at the moment, despite the fact that it's also clear neither of them have the least idea of what that means save some vague idea of 'the good old days'.
Mike can you tweet about how they're going to win please !!
"Bakers should have the right not to make a ‘gay cake’
Judges’ ruling is a authoritarian blow against freedom of expression"
http://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/comment/bakers-should-have-the-right-not-to-make-a-gay-cake-c00c2ddfb
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/latino-decisions/asian-american-voters-in_b_12637044.html?section=us_politics
Don't worry about the "odds" - just put in a number below 1.52 - and your donation amount in the "stake" box.
Once you've hit "place bets" Pong gets to cash out of the market at something approaching fair odds your donation to Zac's reelection campaign fund will have been successfully processed.
Hope that helps.
RichmondPark: a reminder that @ZacGoldsmith ran an obnoxious dog-whistle Mayoral campaign, & voted for Brexit in a 70% Remain constituency. https://t.co/2t9oE2veMm
"Whitbread’s boss has warned wages will be pushed up with a potential knock-on impact for prices if Brexit shrinks the pool of workers available to the owner of Costa and Premier Inn. Alison Brittain, Whitbread’s chief executive, said about a fifth of her 50,000 UK employees came from other EU countries , with the figureshigher in London and other cities and large towns. If there were fewer EU workers that would affect wages at Whitbread and other businesses, she said."
Observations:
1. This is this excellent news for the low paid and exactly the reason why many voted for Brexit.
2. Shame then that the Guardian sees fit to report it as a "warning".
Only a shock rise of A N Other would have me out campaigning!
Secret audio of Goldman Sachs talk in May shows she wanted the UK to lead in Europe and feared businesses would leave
Theresa May privately warned that companies would leave the UK if the country voted for Brexit during a secret audience with investment bankers a month before the EU referendum.
A recording of her remarks to Goldman Sachs, leaked to the Guardian, reveals she had numerous concerns about Britain leaving the EU. It contrasts with her nuanced public speeches, which dismayed remain campaigners before the vote in June.
Speaking at the bank in London on 26 May, the then home secretary appeared to go further than her public remarks to explain more clearly the economic benefits of staying in the EU. She told staff it was time the UK took a lead in Europe, and that she hoped voters would look to the future rather than the past.
In an hour-long session before the City bankers, she also worried about the effect of Brexit on the British economy.
“I think the economic arguments are clear,” she said. “I think being part of a 500-million trading bloc is significant for us. I think, as I was saying to you a little earlier, that one of the issues is that a lot of people will invest here in the UK because it is the UK in Europe.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/oct/25/exclusive-leaked-recording-shows-what-theresa-may-really-thinks-about-brexit?CMP=share_btn_tw
A recording of her remarks to Goldman Sachs, leaked to the Guardian, reveals she had numerous concerns about Britain leaving the EU. It contrasts with her nuanced public speeches, which dismayed remain campaigners before the vote in June.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/oct/25/exclusive-leaked-recording-shows-what-theresa-may-really-thinks-about-brexit
https://twitter.com/EsotericCD/status/790975162753622017
http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/updates/
Clinton still given an 85% probability.
1) Zac quits lib Dems win seat, Heathrow extension gets built anyway.
2) Alternatively Zac quits wins as independent , lib Dems come oh so close and Heathrow extension gets built anyway.
3) Zac quits, Labout get a landslide, lib dems and Zac as independent lose deposits and Heathrow extension gets built anyway. ( ok maybe not Labour)
Either way Heathrow extension gets built unless Zac lies in front of an earth mover as a token as an independent which either way makes Zac look like a rather elongated dipstick.
I'm not sure the PB server will be able to cope with the inevitable spam tweets
Vote for a Conservative candidate. What a shame they won't put one up.
NB My mistake. Student activists have refused to debate with him because he supports free speech on campus.
Does he re-join the Government benches in Parliament as a Con or as an Independent or would he join the opposition benches?
Also it does make it awkward for the local Conservative party members to join his campaign which is really in protest about their own party. If he has any problems getting help from the local party then his campaign may well be swamped by the newly invigorated Libdem by-election machine.
This is real data, in contrast to all the random variation, house effects and speculation inherent in interpreting polling, and gives a huge additional insight into the way things are starting to turn out.
For example, Nevada too looks good for the Democrats:
:http://www.ktnv.com/news/ralston/the-nevada-early-voting-blog
https://twitter.com/JohnJHarwood/status/791026176542277632
For sure, the foreign owners of Heathrow won't pay. They intend to make a profit on it.
It will be a combination of massive hikes in airport charges on passengers - which is why British Airways is adamantly against it. And the massive multi billion pound changes to the M25 near the M4 junction will be funded by the taxpayer for the benefit of the owners of Heathrow. That will be popular.
We need extra airport capacity, but as Zac says, the Heathrow expansion will be an embarrassing millstone for the Government, but much worse, it won't get built - and we'll still need the capacity. Meanwhile Gatwick is shovel ready. What a disaster!
Italian Referendum?
French Primaries?
French elections?
Apparently the Pirate Party are ahead in the polls: http://m.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=11734737
Because they aaaaaargh.
https://twitter.com/ScottAdamsSays/status/791022440377782272
https://twitter.com/mitchellvii/status/791029818762653696
Arguably Jon Gnarr and the best party as Mayor of Reykjavik (2010-2014) was the best post truth politician. Check out his campaign video below.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xxBW4mPzv6E
https://twitter.com/HillaryClinton/status/790904200863617024
Just not anywhere where there are actual voters.
By public transport, Watford to Heathrow is 80 minutes and Watford to Gatwick is 71 minutes.
But by car, it takes 30 minutes longer to get to Gatwick. Not a big deal if the Gatwick expansion can actually be built and costs £10 billion less.
Think of the uncosted delays and pollution of many millions of car journeys over several years as the M25 is diverted and extended and the runway built over the top of it. Not in the Heathrow case but very real to anyone using the M25.
Gatwick is shit to get to and even worse if you actually make it there. Sometimes you feel you have to take a shuttle flight from the gate to the terminal, it is that badly designed.
I think that May has really no choice but to have the party stand aside and let Zac be Zac otherwise the Libdems would certainly win. (as it is I think they are around a 2/1 shot, they are just so far behind)
Interesting precedent it could be setting for down the road though if something else crops up in the next 4 years that makes a Conservative MP (or more than 1) want to resign and have a by-election to make a point.