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    FF43FF43 Posts: 15,758
    I am learning some new German vocabulary:

    ,,Harter Brexit Flash Crash''

    Strange language.
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    Since the 2016 election is over, lets see about the 2020 election.

    https://twitter.com/PpollingNumbers/status/784373577566990336

    Pence is the favourite, though the field is fractured, I wouldn't think much of Cruz or Kasich since a majority of Republicans hate them they won't budge from the low teens.

    I think the media is going to make this a Pence-Ryan race.
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    619619 Posts: 1,784
    Trumps new outreach for black voters

    Trump tells CNN he still considers Central Park 5 guilty: "They admitted they were guilty. police in original investigation say they were"
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    MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 37,610
    Sean_F said:

    Ishmael_X said:

    Sean_F said:

    Ishmael_X said:

    RobD said:

    RobD said:

    Jonathan said:

    Oh, guess what? Turkey is not joining the EU:

    https://twitter.com/IanaDreyer/status/784362831277875200

    I was told it would join in August. What happened? Do you think people were not telling the whole truth? I can't believe that. What's going on?
    Come on, no one said Turkey would join in August.
    image
    They were in the process of joining, they are (apparently) now not. Again, it didn't actually say when.
    That's a lot of words to say 'Leave was lying'

    Leavers, wrong then, wrong now.
    No, leave was telling the truth - it says so here

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accession_of_Turkey_to_the_European_Union

    Now it seems Turkey aspires not to membership but to a situation just like membership but where nobody gets to ask it searching questions about what it does to political prisoners, gays and so on. In other words just what leave said the situation was, only worse.
    Our government strongly backed Turkey's accession to the EU, secure in the knowledge that France, Cyprus, Greece and others would veto it.
    Oh really? And for how long was this our policy (i.e. under which PMs was it formulated and carried out?)

    If true, a delightful illustration that honesty is the best policy.
    When I was in the Conservative Party, whenever Turkey's accession to the EU came up, we were always assured that other EU nations would block it.

    I agree that it completely cynical.
    Our support of Turkish entry was purely to annoy the French.
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    chestnutchestnut Posts: 7,341
    MaxPB said:

    NIESR's model puts Q3 growth at 0.5%, would be pretty amazing if that is the result. Not much of a slowdown at all. Our net trade can only go one way with such weak Sterling so this will provide an additional support over the next year or so. What we really need is some certainty over our future. If it is hard Brexit then we need to know so businesses can adjust to that reality. Having one minister say hard Brexit and another say customs union is a joke and makes our politicians look like fools.

    Markit's jobs report is very solid, while the house price report basically says that peak house price has been reached in the last few months and we have now levelled off.

    I'd argue that both are good things.

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    AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 23,758
    FF43 said:

    I am learning some new German vocabulary:

    ,,Harter Brexit Flash Crash''

    Strange language.

    Ein Shitstorm
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    TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633

    FF43 said:

    I am learning some new German vocabulary:

    ,,Harter Brexit Flash Crash''

    Strange language.

    Ein Shitstorm
    They think the EU is a Eierlegende Wollmilchsau rather than a hunde frühstück
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    rpjsrpjs Posts: 3,787
    Speedy said:

    Alistair said:
    She is going to win a lot of money.

    Trump is still refusing to do any debate preparations, last night's town hall was a fiasco and points to Trump being buried on Sunday.

    The man is clearly an idiot or wants to lose which makes him an idiot anyway.
    My theory is that he knows all his varied legal woes are coming home to roost and if he wins, he can bury them, if he loses he can claim any prosecutions are political revenge for daring to run against the new administration and it would be bad for the republic if such politically motivated prosecutions aren't dropped.
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    619 said:

    Trumps new outreach for black voters

    Trump tells CNN he still considers Central Park 5 guilty: "They admitted they were guilty. police in original investigation say they were"

    The man is like Brewster trying to lose:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hCFzYcLVNk0
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    Ishmael_XIshmael_X Posts: 3,664
    Sean_F said:

    Ishmael_X said:

    Sean_F said:

    Ishmael_X said:

    RobD said:

    RobD said:

    Jonathan said:

    Oh, guess what? Turkey is not joining the EU:

    https://twitter.com/IanaDreyer/status/784362831277875200

    I was told it would join in August. What happened? Do you think people were not telling the whole truth? I can't believe that. What's going on?
    Come on, no one said Turkey would join in August.
    image
    They were in the process of joining, they are (apparently) now not. Again, it didn't actually say when.
    That's a lot of words to say 'Leave was lying'

    Leavers, wrong then, wrong now.
    No, leave was telling the truth - it says so here

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accession_of_Turkey_to_the_European_Union

    Now it seems Turkey aspires not to membership but to a situation just like membership but where nobody gets to ask it searching questions about what it does to political prisoners, gays and so on. In other words just what leave said the situation was, only worse.
    Our government strongly backed Turkey's accession to the EU, secure in the knowledge that France, Cyprus, Greece and others would veto it.
    Oh really? And for how long was this our policy (i.e. under which PMs was it formulated and carried out?)

    If true, a delightful illustration that honesty is the best policy.
    When I was in the Conservative Party, whenever Turkey's accession to the EU came up, we were always assured that other EU nations would block it.

    I agree that it completely cynical.
    So Cameron had the opportunity in response to the Leave poster to say that we had changed our position and would block Turkey. Difficult and embarrassing, but the lesser of two evils.

    All these claims about how wrongheaded and evil Leavers are turn out on examination to be claims about how gobsmackingly stupid, inept and incompetent the Remain campaign was.
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 60,994
    Mr. Brooke, I've been listening (in small parts) to the commentary to House of Flying Daggers, which is by the director and a lovely actress (Zhang Ziyi, I think) and very occasionally [it's subtitled] she'll slip into English. I forget one occasion, but she did for 'gentleman' which really threw me. It's like listening to Welsh radio.

    Mr. Max, annoying the French has been a sound policy for the last thousand years.
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    TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    Heart of stone ..

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/10/07/more-than-100-bbc-stars-facing-tax-avoidance-probes-hmrc-reveals/

    "More than 100 BBC presenters are under investigation for tax avoidance after being suspected of wrongly using personal service companies to minimise their tax bills, HMRC has revealed.

    A “very significant number of BBC news presenters” – as well as a number of staff at other broadcasters - face demands to hand over unpaid tax and national insurance contributions after HMRC launched a probe into whether stars had incorrectly declared themselves to be self-employed."
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    perdixperdix Posts: 1,806
    Must ask OGH why May's announcement of a date for invoking Article 50 undermines her negotiation position. It needs to be done in order to Exit.
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,285
    edited October 2016
    TGOHF said:

    Heart of stone ..

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/10/07/more-than-100-bbc-stars-facing-tax-avoidance-probes-hmrc-reveals/

    "More than 100 BBC presenters are under investigation for tax avoidance after being suspected of wrongly using personal service companies to minimise their tax bills, HMRC has revealed.

    A “very significant number of BBC news presenters” – as well as a number of staff at other broadcasters - face demands to hand over unpaid tax and national insurance contributions after HMRC launched a probe into whether stars had incorrectly declared themselves to be self-employed."

    The word hypocrite comes to mind for some reason....
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    @Morris_Dancer I'm often not as clear in writing as I think I'm being in my head ! This may well have been an example.
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    rpjs said:

    Speedy said:

    Alistair said:
    She is going to win a lot of money.

    Trump is still refusing to do any debate preparations, last night's town hall was a fiasco and points to Trump being buried on Sunday.

    The man is clearly an idiot or wants to lose which makes him an idiot anyway.
    My theory is that he knows all his varied legal woes are coming home to roost and if he wins, he can bury them, if he loses he can claim any prosecutions are political revenge for daring to run against the new administration and it would be bad for the republic if such politically motivated prosecutions aren't dropped.
    If he loses the election he might end up in jail, both Republicans and Democrats would be glad to send him to Sing Sing for 30 years.

    If he wins the election he might be impeached but at least he can get a pardon, so he won't go to jail.

    But Trump is doing everything possible to lose by behaving like a deranged idiot.

    And I think it's way too late for him to win, so unless he resigns the nomination in exchange for political protection from his replacement he is going to jail.
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    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 50,130

    It's a tragedy we couldn't pull off Turkish Accession. Assimilating the Acquis would have secured then anchored the world's first Islamic liberal democracy. A glory of the 21st century. But it didn't achieve escape velocity. As the bid has been falling back to earth for years best it's formally ditched. As we've seen it's theoretical existence is too easily abused by populists.

    I'm not sure that an Islamic liberal democracy is a possibility; realistically, the two cultural traditions are so contradictory that it's one or the other. Assimilating the Acquis would have meant secularising to an extent that meant that it was no longer meaningfully Islamic.
    Not sure I agree with that.

    What about a country populated by TSEs and his female equivalents?
    There are female equivalents to TSE??
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 60,994
    Mr. Submarine, it's easily done.

    Sometimes I get comments from beta-readers about something either being too subtle and vague or me laying it on too thick.

    A recent favourite was the confusion caused by the odd use, by me, of the word 'must'.

    It was meant to be 'mustard', but I'd evidently gotten bored typing it halfway through.
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    AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    Quite astonishing Voter REgistation numbers disparity here

    Meanwhile, voter-registration records show, Democrats are walloping Republicans. The Florida Democratic Party has submitted about 488,000 voter-registration forms it has collected for this election, while Republicans have submitted roughly 60,000, according to state reports.


    http://www.politico.com/states/florida/story/2016/10/scott-wont-extend-voter-registration-deadline-as-hurricane-matthew-approaches-106172#ixzz4MPPbjWIe

    Frustratingly doesn't say what the time frame is.
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    AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 23,758

    It's a tragedy we couldn't pull off Turkish Accession. Assimilating the Acquis would have secured then anchored the world's first Islamic liberal democracy. A glory of the 21st century. But it didn't achieve escape velocity. As the bid has been falling back to earth for years best it's formally ditched. As we've seen it's theoretical existence is too easily abused by populists.

    I'm not sure that an Islamic liberal democracy is a possibility; realistically, the two cultural traditions are so contradictory that it's one or the other. Assimilating the Acquis would have meant secularising to an extent that meant that it was no longer meaningfully Islamic.
    Not sure I agree with that.

    What about a country populated by TSEs and his female equivalents?
    There are female equivalents to TSE??
    Emily Thornberry
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,285
    edited October 2016

    It's a tragedy we couldn't pull off Turkish Accession. Assimilating the Acquis would have secured then anchored the world's first Islamic liberal democracy. A glory of the 21st century. But it didn't achieve escape velocity. As the bid has been falling back to earth for years best it's formally ditched. As we've seen it's theoretical existence is too easily abused by populists.

    I'm not sure that an Islamic liberal democracy is a possibility; realistically, the two cultural traditions are so contradictory that it's one or the other. Assimilating the Acquis would have meant secularising to an extent that meant that it was no longer meaningfully Islamic.
    Not sure I agree with that.

    What about a country populated by TSEs and his female equivalents?
    There are female equivalents to TSE??
    Emily Thornberry
    Bit harsh on Mrs Bucket, even she would stop at wearing some of TSE's outfits in public.
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    MaxPB said:

    Sean_F said:

    Ishmael_X said:

    Sean_F said:

    Ishmael_X said:

    RobD said:

    RobD said:

    Jonathan said:

    Oh, guess what? Turkey is not joining the EU:

    https://twitter.com/IanaDreyer/status/784362831277875200

    I was told it would join in August. What happened? Do you think people were not telling the whole truth? I can't believe that. What's going on?
    Come on, no one said Turkey would join in August.
    image
    They were in the process of joining, they are (apparently) now not. Again, it didn't actually say when.
    That's a lot of words to say 'Leave was lying'

    Leavers, wrong then, wrong now.
    No, leave was telling the truth - it says so here

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accession_of_Turkey_to_the_European_Union

    Now it seems Turkey aspires not to membership but to a situation just like membership but where nobody gets to ask it searching questions about what it does to political prisoners, gays and so on. In other words just what leave said the situation was, only worse.
    Our government strongly backed Turkey's accession to the EU, secure in the knowledge that France, Cyprus, Greece and others would veto it.
    Oh really? And for how long was this our policy (i.e. under which PMs was it formulated and carried out?)

    If true, a delightful illustration that honesty is the best policy.
    When I was in the Conservative Party, whenever Turkey's accession to the EU came up, we were always assured that other EU nations would block it.

    I agree that it completely cynical.
    Our support of Turkish entry was purely to annoy the French.
    Its a good example of how the EU allowed our politicians to do outrageous things that would get them flayed alive in a sovereign parliament.

    Any politician that proposed a bilaterap free movement agreement with Turkey would get flayed alive.

    But being in the EU allows the PM to support the EU signing a treaty with Turkey that er would allow them free movement in the UK
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,101

    It's a tragedy we couldn't pull off Turkish Accession. Assimilating the Acquis would have secured then anchored the world's first Islamic liberal democracy. A glory of the 21st century. But it didn't achieve escape velocity. As the bid has been falling back to earth for years best it's formally ditched. As we've seen it's theoretical existence is too easily abused by populists.

    I'm not sure that an Islamic liberal democracy is a possibility; realistically, the two cultural traditions are so contradictory that it's one or the other. Assimilating the Acquis would have meant secularising to an extent that meant that it was no longer meaningfully Islamic.
    Not sure I agree with that.

    What about a country populated by TSEs and his female equivalents?
    There are female equivalents to TSE??
    Emily Thornberry
    Not nothern enough. I was thinking more Edwina Currie.
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    MortimerMortimer Posts: 13,951
    Ishmael_X said:

    Sean_F said:

    Ishmael_X said:

    Sean_F said:

    Ishmael_X said:

    RobD said:

    RobD said:

    Jonathan said:

    Oh, guess what? Turkey is not joining the EU:

    https://twitter.com/IanaDreyer/status/784362831277875200

    I was told it would join in August. What happened? Do you think people were not telling the whole truth? I can't believe that. What's going on?
    Come on, no one said Turkey would join in August.
    image
    They were in the process of joining, they are (apparently) now not. Again, it didn't actually say when.
    That's a lot of words to say 'Leave was lying'

    Leavers, wrong then, wrong now.
    No, leave was telling the truth - it says so here

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accession_of_Turkey_to_the_European_Union

    Now it seems Turkey aspires not to membership but to a situation just like membership but where nobody gets to ask it searching questions about what it does to political prisoners, gays and so on. In other words just what leave said the situation was, only worse.
    Our government strongly backed Turkey's accession to the EU, secure in the knowledge that France, Cyprus, Greece and others would veto it.
    Oh really? And for how long was this our policy (i.e. under which PMs was it formulated and carried out?)

    If true, a delightful illustration that honesty is the best policy.
    When I was in the Conservative Party, whenever Turkey's accession to the EU came up, we were always assured that other EU nations would block it.

    I agree that it completely cynical.
    So Cameron had the opportunity in response to the Leave poster to say that we had changed our position and would block Turkey. Difficult and embarrassing, but the lesser of two evils.

    All these claims about how wrongheaded and evil Leavers are turn out on examination to be claims about how gobsmackingly stupid, inept and incompetent the Remain campaign was.
    I simply do not understand why the govt didn't to that. Presumably the FO, in usual slow, muddle headed 1970s thinking, supports it?
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    not_on_firenot_on_fire Posts: 4,341
    HYUFD said:

    MaxPB said:

    JohnO said:

    Tranquility, mon brave, senex Johannus ex Hershamo, exhorts moderation in temper and tone. These are not (yet at least) the worst of IDS times. Internal exile is unwarranted.

    The tone of Mrs May's speech has worried a lot of people. She needs to row back on some of it and put Rudd on a much tighter leash. The foreign workers register was a huge and unnecessary misstep as was the idea of deporting foreign doctors in 2025.
    Yet most voters backed it
    Most voters back all kinds of idiotic policies, which is why we have representative democracy to filter them out.
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,444

    It's a tragedy we couldn't pull off Turkish Accession. Assimilating the Acquis would have secured then anchored the world's first Islamic liberal democracy. A glory of the 21st century. But it didn't achieve escape velocity. As the bid has been falling back to earth for years best it's formally ditched. As we've seen it's theoretical existence is too easily abused by populists.

    I'm not sure that an Islamic liberal democracy is a possibility; realistically, the two cultural traditions are so contradictory that it's one or the other. Assimilating the Acquis would have meant secularising to an extent that meant that it was no longer meaningfully Islamic.
    Not sure I agree with that.

    What about a country populated by TSEs and his female equivalents?
    There are female equivalents to TSE??
    Emily Thornberry
    Not nothern enough. I was thinking more Edwina Currie.
    Give him some credit: would TSE really tap up Edwina Currie or Emily Thornberry?
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,897
    SeanT said:

    Jobabob said:

    felix said:

    SeanT said:

    felix said:

    Sean_F said:

    If Sterling were appreciating in value, I wonder how many of the headless chickens would be shrieking about the harm being done to exporters.

    Yes we get it but you know perfectly well that this scale of devaluation is not a sign of a national economy, strong and confident and ready to take on the world. It is a clear sign of weakness if businesses need a trashed currency to sell their goods abroad rather than operating efficiently in a competitive market.
    Huge volatility, post-Brexit vote, was a given. The Brexiteers (and I have to admit there were some) who claimed it would all be plain sailing were fools or frauds.
    Indeed and they are still saying it on this very thread. The pretence that a 30% devaluation is clever economics reflecting a strong and vibrant economy.. all in the name of 'taking control' and getting rid of foreigners.
    Yes it is now clear that some Brexiteers will accept anything, absolutely anything, as long as we leave the EU. That is all they care about. It's an obsession.
    Good question. Is there a level of pain at which I would reverse my vote? Theoretically, yes - but I doubt I'd ever get there, because every time things got worse my determination to See It Through, fuck them, we're the British, etc etc, would surge in reaction.
    I'm very certain I could be persuaded by a level of pain - though in my case the determining factor would be when the embarrassment at being wrong and admitting it overcame pride.
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    British immigrants suing Junker in the ECJ over Brexit negotiations. It gets weirder ! http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-37586587
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    AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 23,758

    It's a tragedy we couldn't pull off Turkish Accession. Assimilating the Acquis would have secured then anchored the world's first Islamic liberal democracy. A glory of the 21st century. But it didn't achieve escape velocity. As the bid has been falling back to earth for years best it's formally ditched. As we've seen it's theoretical existence is too easily abused by populists.

    I'm not sure that an Islamic liberal democracy is a possibility; realistically, the two cultural traditions are so contradictory that it's one or the other. Assimilating the Acquis would have meant secularising to an extent that meant that it was no longer meaningfully Islamic.
    Not sure I agree with that.

    What about a country populated by TSEs and his female equivalents?
    There are female equivalents to TSE??
    Emily Thornberry
    Not nothern enough. I was thinking more Edwina Currie.
    Give him some credit: would TSE really tap up Edwina Currie or Emily Thornberry?
    give him a baby cham and you ve got the makings of a threesome there.
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,897

    kle4 said:

    MaxPB said:

    Sleazy broken Sterling on the slide.

    Just like the Tories under Mrs May?

    This is part of the problem. The Tories cannot lose, so there is no fear factor.

    Of course they can lose. Politics, like nature, abhors a vacuum, if the Tories screw up, someone, eventually, will prosper from the Tories screwing up.
    The question is who? If the orange bookers were running the Lib Dems then I'd definitely feel they could make headway, if the moderates were running Labour then they might. Right now it feels like the opposition is the economically liberal wing of the Tory party. Many of whom are fretting over the idea of big government.

    The LibDems clearly have the wrong leader. If Clegg had hung on this may well have been made for him.

    I find that hard to believe. I like Clegg, but his problem was not entirely what he said or proposed, it was that even if he had good ideas no one would listen to him. I cannot see enough people being horrified by Corbynism or (perceived) May's tack to the right for former LDs, moderate labourites and Cameroons to rally behind him.

    Not so sure about that. The study someone linked to yesterday from Manchester University (I think) about how the referendum has changed the way people see themselves was very interesting. Remainers especially, it seems, put that before any party affiliation. And right now there is no-one with any heft making their case. Clegg as LD leader would have that heft.

    It would have been interesting to have an opportunity to test that. He still seems to get more notice than Farron, for a start.
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    The Grand Tour trailer released – camels, tanks and everything else we learned about the new Amazon Prime series

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/on-demand/2016/10/07/the-grand-tour-trailer-released--camels-tanks-and-everything-els/

    Well it certainly doesn't look as bad as Chris Evan's Top Gear.
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    It's a tragedy we couldn't pull off Turkish Accession. Assimilating the Acquis would have secured then anchored the world's first Islamic liberal democracy. A glory of the 21st century. But it didn't achieve escape velocity. As the bid has been falling back to earth for years best it's formally ditched. As we've seen it's theoretical existence is too easily abused by populists.

    I'm not sure that an Islamic liberal democracy is a possibility; realistically, the two cultural traditions are so contradictory that it's one or the other. Assimilating the Acquis would have meant secularising to an extent that meant that it was no longer meaningfully Islamic.
    Not sure I agree with that.

    What about a country populated by TSEs and his female equivalents?
    There are female equivalents to TSE??
    Emily Thornberry
    Not nothern enough. I was thinking more Edwina Currie.
    Give him some credit: would TSE really tap up Edwina Currie or Emily Thornberry?
    From what TSE has said is he quite likes dating Corbynista women.
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,444

    It's a tragedy we couldn't pull off Turkish Accession. Assimilating the Acquis would have secured then anchored the world's first Islamic liberal democracy. A glory of the 21st century. But it didn't achieve escape velocity. As the bid has been falling back to earth for years best it's formally ditched. As we've seen it's theoretical existence is too easily abused by populists.

    I'm not sure that an Islamic liberal democracy is a possibility; realistically, the two cultural traditions are so contradictory that it's one or the other. Assimilating the Acquis would have meant secularising to an extent that meant that it was no longer meaningfully Islamic.
    Not sure I agree with that.

    What about a country populated by TSEs and his female equivalents?
    There are female equivalents to TSE??
    Emily Thornberry
    Not nothern enough. I was thinking more Edwina Currie.
    Give him some credit: would TSE really tap up Edwina Currie or Emily Thornberry?
    give him a baby cham and you ve got the makings of a threesome there.
    Where would George Osborne fit in?

    #lagershed
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,897

    Mr. Brooke, I've been listening (in small parts) to the commentary to House of Flying Daggers, which is by the director and a lovely actress (Zhang Ziyi, I think) and very occasionally [it's subtitled] she'll slip into English. I forget one occasion, but she did for 'gentleman' which really threw me. It's like listening to Welsh radio.

    Borgen taught me that apparently there is no equivalent of '15 minutes of fame' as an expression in Danish as someone in it used that in a scene.
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    AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 23,758

    It's a tragedy we couldn't pull off Turkish Accession. Assimilating the Acquis would have secured then anchored the world's first Islamic liberal democracy. A glory of the 21st century. But it didn't achieve escape velocity. As the bid has been falling back to earth for years best it's formally ditched. As we've seen it's theoretical existence is too easily abused by populists.

    I'm not sure that an Islamic liberal democracy is a possibility; realistically, the two cultural traditions are so contradictory that it's one or the other. Assimilating the Acquis would have meant secularising to an extent that meant that it was no longer meaningfully Islamic.
    Not sure I agree with that.

    What about a country populated by TSEs and his female equivalents?
    There are female equivalents to TSE??
    Emily Thornberry
    Not nothern enough. I was thinking more Edwina Currie.
    Give him some credit: would TSE really tap up Edwina Currie or Emily Thornberry?
    give him a baby cham and you ve got the makings of a threesome there.
    Where would George Osborne fit in?

    #lagershed
    bog snorkelling in Chris Bryant

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    FloaterFloater Posts: 14,195
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    AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 23,758
    kle4 said:

    Mr. Brooke, I've been listening (in small parts) to the commentary to House of Flying Daggers, which is by the director and a lovely actress (Zhang Ziyi, I think) and very occasionally [it's subtitled] she'll slip into English. I forget one occasion, but she did for 'gentleman' which really threw me. It's like listening to Welsh radio.

    Borgen taught me that apparently there is no equivalent of '15 minutes of fame' as an expression in Danish as someone in it used that in a scene.
    The Bridge taught me "you fking joker" is Danish for youre taking the piss.
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    FloaterFloater Posts: 14,195
    TGOHF said:

    Heart of stone ..

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/10/07/more-than-100-bbc-stars-facing-tax-avoidance-probes-hmrc-reveals/

    "More than 100 BBC presenters are under investigation for tax avoidance after being suspected of wrongly using personal service companies to minimise their tax bills, HMRC has revealed.

    A “very significant number of BBC news presenters” – as well as a number of staff at other broadcasters - face demands to hand over unpaid tax and national insurance contributions after HMRC launched a probe into whether stars had incorrectly declared themselves to be self-employed."

    Bloody tories, the lot of them.
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    rpjsrpjs Posts: 3,787
    Speedy said:

    rpjs said:

    Speedy said:

    Alistair said:
    She is going to win a lot of money.

    Trump is still refusing to do any debate preparations, last night's town hall was a fiasco and points to Trump being buried on Sunday.

    The man is clearly an idiot or wants to lose which makes him an idiot anyway.
    My theory is that he knows all his varied legal woes are coming home to roost and if he wins, he can bury them, if he loses he can claim any prosecutions are political revenge for daring to run against the new administration and it would be bad for the republic if such politically motivated prosecutions aren't dropped.
    If he loses the election he might end up in jail, both Republicans and Democrats would be glad to send him to Sing Sing for 30 years.

    If he wins the election he might be impeached but at least he can get a pardon, so he won't go to jail.

    But Trump is doing everything possible to lose by behaving like a deranged idiot.

    And I think it's way too late for him to win, so unless he resigns the nomination in exchange for political protection from his replacement he is going to jail.
    Not so sure about Republicans. If Trump does end up becoming a near neighbour of mine (Sing Sing is about five miles from here) the Democrats are going to hang that millstone around the neck of every Republican candidate who ever said anything vaguely positive about him, let alone endorsed him, for the next couple of election cycles at least.

    And as for resigning the nomination. That would kill the Republicans stone dead as a serious political party. They'd never come back from it.
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,101
    Floater said:
    There's no need to panic, but if others are going to panic, it's better to panic first.
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 60,994
    Mr. Brooke, was the English used?

    [I've watched the three Bridge series but can't recall it].
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    nunununu Posts: 6,024
    chestnut said:

    MaxPB said:

    NIESR's model puts Q3 growth at 0.5%, would be pretty amazing if that is the result. Not much of a slowdown at all. Our net trade can only go one way with such weak Sterling so this will provide an additional support over the next year or so. What we really need is some certainty over our future. If it is hard Brexit then we need to know so businesses can adjust to that reality. Having one minister say hard Brexit and another say customs union is a joke and makes our politicians look like fools.

    Markit's jobs report is very solid, while the house price report basically says that peak house price has been reached in the last few months and we have now levelled off.

    I'd argue that both are good things.

    oh damn just a bit off my 0.6% prediction. ah well.
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    FloaterFloater Posts: 14,195

    there's no theological reason an Islamic population can't have a liberal democracy

    Rather too many Islamic theologians would disagree with you on that.
    Yellow Submarine is a tad naive I think

    oh dear.......
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    HYUFD said:

    MaxPB said:

    JohnO said:

    Tranquility, mon brave, senex Johannus ex Hershamo, exhorts moderation in temper and tone. These are not (yet at least) the worst of IDS times. Internal exile is unwarranted.

    The tone of Mrs May's speech has worried a lot of people. She needs to row back on some of it and put Rudd on a much tighter leash. The foreign workers register was a huge and unnecessary misstep as was the idea of deporting foreign doctors in 2025.
    Yet most voters backed it
    Most voters back all kinds of idiotic policies, which is why we have representative democracy to filter them out.
    I thought that representative democracy existed because it wasnt feasible for the entire population to conduct multiple ballots daily on everything.

    Arguably technology has moved on. The idiot filter is valid but fails when you get a caste that thinks it knows best for two long and no one on the ballot who is not an idiot or sane but dangerous.
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,101

    kle4 said:

    Mr. Brooke, I've been listening (in small parts) to the commentary to House of Flying Daggers, which is by the director and a lovely actress (Zhang Ziyi, I think) and very occasionally [it's subtitled] she'll slip into English. I forget one occasion, but she did for 'gentleman' which really threw me. It's like listening to Welsh radio.

    Borgen taught me that apparently there is no equivalent of '15 minutes of fame' as an expression in Danish as someone in it used that in a scene.
    The Bridge taught me "you fking joker" is Danish for youre taking the piss.
    You can generally just use any English expletive in a Geordie accent and it will be close enough.
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    FF43FF43 Posts: 15,758
    Just seen an ad in Chinese for British internet brides. Seems like a role reversal.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,080

    HYUFD said:

    MaxPB said:

    JohnO said:

    Tranquility, mon brave, senex Johannus ex Hershamo, exhorts moderation in temper and tone. These are not (yet at least) the worst of IDS times. Internal exile is unwarranted.

    The tone of Mrs May's speech has worried a lot of people. She needs to row back on some of it and put Rudd on a much tighter leash. The foreign workers register was a huge and unnecessary misstep as was the idea of deporting foreign doctors in 2025.
    Yet most voters backed it
    Most voters back all kinds of idiotic policies, which is why we have representative democracy to filter them out.
    Until representative democracy leads to an SNP or UKIP landslide
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,080
    Speedy said:

    619 said:

    Trumps new outreach for black voters

    Trump tells CNN he still considers Central Park 5 guilty: "They admitted they were guilty. police in original investigation say they were"

    The man is like Brewster trying to lose:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hCFzYcLVNk0
    He is getting 12% of the black vote in the latest Rasmussen
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    AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 23,758

    Mr. Brooke, was the English used?

    [I've watched the three Bridge series but can't recall it].

    yes, series 3 when the gambler guy is getting interrogated by the drug dealer.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,080
    rpjs said:

    HYUFD said:

    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    tlg86 said:

    Sleazy broken Sterling on the slide.

    Just like the Tories under Mrs May?

    This is part of the problem. The Tories cannot lose, so there is no fear factor.

    Of course they can lose. Politics, like nature, abhors a vacuum, if the Tories screw up, someone, eventually, will prosper from the Tories screwing up.
    In 2050?
    Hubris old bean.

    What do you think David Lloyd George's reaction would have been in 1918 that he would be the last Liberal Prime Minister?

    Or the reaction of Campbell-Bannerman after winning in 1906 a majority of 120 odd that the Liberals would be screwed forever in a little over a decade.

    When these kind of seismic changes come, they happen very rapidly. Cf Scottish Labour
    So who, or what, will depose the current status quo? Brexit was a seismic event but overall I don't think the political landscape has changed that much. You and I are still in the same party despite voting differently, we are also both wary of the new leadership as well. I'm not going to leave for the Lib Dems and definitely not for Labour. My only choice is to tough it out and if I get the chance vote for a liberal type of leader, even if it means Osborne coming back.

    I also don't see any new party coming along, I'll never support a party with the "safe space" chumps in it and I doubt you would either. So where does that leave us?
    Think of a party that would carry on the Cameron/The coalition's education reforms, that was focused on making the economic cake bigger, not equal.

    Socially liberal, not someone obsessed with 'safe spaces' or naming and shaming companies for the number of Jonny Foreigners they employ.
    That party currently sits on the back benches of the governing one. There is literally zero appetite to split, so where does it leave us?

    Just want to add, I agree with all of those policy goals.
    I'm staying put, we're like Churchill on the backbenchers whilst the appeasers are in charge. Our time will come again.
    Since when is sucking up to the EU remotely Churchillian? Churchill was prepared for Britain to stand alone rather than suck up to Hitler
    That would be a different Churchill from the one that offered the French a sovereign union in 1940 then?
    Before the fall of France, once France fell he did no deals with the Nazis
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 60,994
    Mr. Brooke, ah, I remember that scene. It was excellent, though the particular phrase isn't something I can recall off the top of my head.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,080

    Jobabob said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    The majority of the electorate could not care less about the markets, they voted to control immigration which May will do. In any case the low pound helps exports even if it makes imports and foreign travel more expensive. The fall in the pound today was due to Hollande's hard BREXIT statement and automated trading in Asia

    Brexit has turned the UK into a 2nd world nation with a 3rd world currency .
    A 2nd world nation which is still the fifth largest economy with still well above average GDP per capita and sterling is still an IMF reserve currency
    We were the fifth largest economy, then Mrs May spoke.

    https://twitter.com/washingtonpost/status/783686693706665984
    Regardless of whether France occasionally overtakes us the trend is the same over there and will be confirmed when Le Pen tops the poll next May, voters across the west are rejecting economic liberalism and globalisation for nationalism and immigration control.
    Le Pen won't win
    She very probably will 'win' the first round. It's unlikely but not inconceivable that she will win the second. Her ratings have been good against Hollande, though it'd take a badly split centre-right to allow him through, and there's always the risk of 'events'.
    Even if she wins the first round only that is still an earthquake and in the second she will do better than her father
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    Paul_BedfordshirePaul_Bedfordshire Posts: 3,632
    edited October 2016
    perdix said:

    Must ask OGH why May's announcement of a date for invoking Article 50 undermines her negotiation position. It needs to be done in order to Exit.

    Most of the liberals here. Whether big L libdems or their fellow traveller wet tory, blairite labour and those with no formal affiliation seem to have gone a bit kooky.

    I think it is because not only has Brexit slaughtered our membership of their sacred cow, the EU, it has deposed Cameron and put May in power.

    Since 1997 they have enjoyed liberalism, being a dominant philosophy, and set to be locked in forever by the main parties all espousing it to one degree or another and the EU institutions being solidly secularly liberal.

    Now all that lies in ruins, on one level they still cant quite believe it, on another they are deeply depressed about it, and they turn on those who brought it about or support such people as unprincipled, selfish, racist, barbarians taking us into the dark ages.

    As someone pointed out upthread, it dosent seem to have occured to them to ask themselves what did we do wrong to so alienate so many?

    This latter angle does make it very profitable to poke fun at them so, for your entertainment here is a repeat of this mornings post (which satirically shows why anyone in the EU seeking to humiliate Britain in the forthcoming negotiations really dosent understand the British):
    A message to Jean-Claude Juncker, Guy Verhofstadt, and politicians from Romania, Croatia, the Czechs, Austria, Latvia, Sweden, France and Germany and Spanish politicians who impudently think they can cause trouble over Gibraltar:

    A message to arrogant and impudent multinationals and international organisations who lied to us before the referendum with false doom. (The foreign multinationals in particular would do well to look at the message the video gives)

    Victory; we fight to win

    Victory; is ours again

    We are the scourge of the Brussels and the Sea

    Beastly Brexiters are we.

    The EU don't like Us. We Don't Care. Come and take us on if you think you are hard enough.

    Britain is Free. Britain is Back.

    Rejoice.
    https://youtu.be/lrShn8PeTz8
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    AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    Hope no one on here had been hyping up a story about fraudulent Clinton votes in Ohio

    http://www.sos.state.oh.us/sos/mediaCenter/2016/2016-10-04.aspx
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    AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 23,758

    Mr. Brooke, ah, I remember that scene. It was excellent, though the particular phrase isn't something I can recall off the top of my head.

    time to brush up on your Danish Mr D

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xzH4YGoNHf4

    this may help you :-)
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,101


    Most of the liberals here. Whether big L libdems or their fellow traveller wet tory, blairite labour and those with no formal affiliation seem to have gone a bit kooky.

    And Brexiteers have gone cuckoo... (£19.99 from EU Aldi.)
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    JackWJackW Posts: 14,787
    HYUFD said:

    Speedy said:

    619 said:

    Trumps new outreach for black voters

    Trump tells CNN he still considers Central Park 5 guilty: "They admitted they were guilty. police in original investigation say they were"

    The man is like Brewster trying to lose:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hCFzYcLVNk0
    He is getting 12% of the black vote in the latest Rasmussen
    Seriously @HYUFD .... Rasmussen .... I mean seriously !!!!!!!! .... :smiley:
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 60,994
    Mr. Brooke, the morris is known to be the pinnacle of dancing glory, as well as the zenith of sartorial elegance.

    Anyway, I must be off.

    Qualifying start at 7am, remember.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,080
    edited October 2016
    JackW said:

    HYUFD said:

    Speedy said:

    619 said:

    Trumps new outreach for black voters

    Trump tells CNN he still considers Central Park 5 guilty: "They admitted they were guilty. police in original investigation say they were"

    The man is like Brewster trying to lose:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hCFzYcLVNk0
    He is getting 12% of the black vote in the latest Rasmussen
    Seriously @HYUFD .... Rasmussen .... I mean seriously !!!!!!!! .... :smiley:
    They got the 2004 election spot on and Trump led with them yesterday. Trump will do better with the black vote than the 5% Romney got, especially in the privacy of the booth
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,285
    edited October 2016
    Has Corbyn given up on his reshuffle? Only one appointment today. I presuming he has been too busy making jam.
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    MonksfieldMonksfield Posts: 2,203
    perdix said:

    Must ask OGH why May's announcement of a date for invoking Article 50 undermines her negotiation position. It needs to be done in order to Exit.

    You seem to be struggling with the basics of poker
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,285
    edited October 2016
    Trots Tots education working wonders....from the daughter of a BBC actress.

    http://order-order.com/2016/10/07/momentum-kids-working/

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    foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    HYUFD said:

    JackW said:

    HYUFD said:

    Speedy said:

    619 said:

    Trumps new outreach for black voters

    Trump tells CNN he still considers Central Park 5 guilty: "They admitted they were guilty. police in original investigation say they were"

    The man is like Brewster trying to lose:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hCFzYcLVNk0
    He is getting 12% of the black vote in the latest Rasmussen
    Seriously @HYUFD .... Rasmussen .... I mean seriously !!!!!!!! .... :smiley:
    They got the 2004 election spot on and Trump led with them yesterday. Trump will do better with the black vote than the 5% Romney got, especially in the privacy of the booth
    No chance. Trumps best chance is for the African American and Latino vote to stay home. Very few will vote Republican but stay at homes could deliver him some states.
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    JackWJackW Posts: 14,787
    Millennial Voters In Battleground States - Democracy Corp

    Clinton 54 .. Trump 29

    AZ CO IA NV IA WI OH NH VA NC FL

    http://www.democracycorps.com/Battleground-Surveys/the-millennial-strategy/
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    HYUFD said:

    Speedy said:

    619 said:

    Trumps new outreach for black voters

    Trump tells CNN he still considers Central Park 5 guilty: "They admitted they were guilty. police in original investigation say they were"

    The man is like Brewster trying to lose:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hCFzYcLVNk0
    He is getting 12% of the black vote in the latest Rasmussen
    Even Brewster from Brewster's millions was way better than Trump and had much more fun that him in his efforts to lose.

    Trump can't even lose with grace and style.

    I read somewhere that a younger Trump bumped into an old friend of his father's who was rich but lost it all and was kicked out of the club. Trump is going straight in that direction.

    Everyone hates him, his reputation is ruined, customers are avoiding him.
    Defeat in this election would be the end of him and he doesn't make a serious effort to win.
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    nunununu Posts: 6,024
    HYUFD said:

    JackW said:

    HYUFD said:

    Speedy said:

    619 said:

    Trumps new outreach for black voters

    Trump tells CNN he still considers Central Park 5 guilty: "They admitted they were guilty. police in original investigation say they were"

    The man is like Brewster trying to lose:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hCFzYcLVNk0
    He is getting 12% of the black vote in the latest Rasmussen
    Seriously @HYUFD .... Rasmussen .... I mean seriously !!!!!!!! .... :smiley:
    They got the 2004 election spot on and Trump led with them yesterday. Trump will do better with the black vote than the 5% Romney got, especially in the privacy of the booth
    There is absoluteley no evidence for this.
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    nunununu Posts: 6,024
    (((Harry Enten))) ‏@ForecasterEnten 59m59 minutes ago

    Q-Pac's another poll showing Trump doing worse among white voters than Romney did. A killer.
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,285
    edited October 2016
    Trump's "what have you got to lose / what have Clinton's ever done for you / I have created loads of jobs for non-whites" could have won him quite a bit of support among African American's if he didn't have this "minor" issue with saying racist stuff on a daily basis....

    If fact if he had just nicked some of Bernie's sthick, shut up about building a wall and occasionally said hey I said things in the past i regret but I haven't called millions of people deplorable basement dwellers...against the Clinton-Bot-2000 he might have even won.
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    HYUFD said:

    JackW said:

    HYUFD said:

    Speedy said:

    619 said:

    Trumps new outreach for black voters

    Trump tells CNN he still considers Central Park 5 guilty: "They admitted they were guilty. police in original investigation say they were"

    The man is like Brewster trying to lose:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hCFzYcLVNk0
    He is getting 12% of the black vote in the latest Rasmussen
    Seriously @HYUFD .... Rasmussen .... I mean seriously !!!!!!!! .... :smiley:
    They got the 2004 election spot on and Trump led with them yesterday. Trump will do better with the black vote than the 5% Romney got, especially in the privacy of the booth
    Rassmussen, Reuters, Marist and Fox are on my black list.
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    Floater said:
    There's no need to panic, but if others are going to panic, it's better to panic first.
    It is brilliant news for the pension industry. The fall in the pound is having an inversely proportional effect on FTSE shares due to most involving companies with huge foreign earnings so their share portfolios are soaring,

    they are only required to uprate pensions by CPI so the inflationary effects are throttled and much more than this and interest rates will go up so happy days all round.

    The only real losers are those with huge assets in the UK who use it for income and hoarding while abroad. Oh dear. What a shame. How sad.
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    JackWJackW Posts: 14,787
    HYUFD said:

    They got the 2004 election spot on and Trump led with them yesterday. Trump will do better with the black vote than the 5% Romney got, especially in the privacy of the booth

    Heard at that from McCain and Romney surrogates. Frankly it's embarrassing of you to spout the same drivel.

    The extensive surveys of AA voters show Trump barely registering. If Donald manages anywhere near 5% it will be a polling miracle - 2-3% more likely.
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    Speedy said:

    HYUFD said:

    Speedy said:

    619 said:

    Trumps new outreach for black voters

    Trump tells CNN he still considers Central Park 5 guilty: "They admitted they were guilty. police in original investigation say they were"

    The man is like Brewster trying to lose:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hCFzYcLVNk0
    He is getting 12% of the black vote in the latest Rasmussen
    Even Brewster from Brewster's millions was way better than Trump and had much more fun that him in his efforts to lose.

    Trump can't even lose with grace and style.

    I read somewhere that a younger Trump bumped into an old friend of his father's who was rich but lost it all and was kicked out of the club. Trump is going straight in that direction.

    Everyone hates him, his reputation is ruined, customers are avoiding him.
    Defeat in this election would be the end of him and he doesn't make a serious effort to win.
    I notice Oculous Rift founder wasn't invited to his companies own media day. Totally coincidentally it was revealed he had been funding a Trump supporting group.
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    Trump campaign is canceling hundreds of thousands of dollars in advertising in Fla, NC, OH, possibly other states, per two buying sources.
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    Trump campaign is canceling hundreds of thousands of dollars in advertising in Fla, NC, OH, possibly other states, per two buying sources.

    Possibly because it will be seen in poor taste post hurricane?

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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100

    Trump's "what have you got to lose / what have Clinton's ever done for you / I have created loads of jobs for non-whites" could have won him quite a bit of support among African American's if he didn't have this "minor" issue with saying racist stuff on a daily basis....

    If fact if he had just nicked some of Bernie's sthick, shut up about building a wall and occasionally said hey I said things in the past i regret but I haven't called millions of people deplorable basement dwellers...against the Clinton-Bot-2000 he might have even won.

    All that Trump needed to do was not to attack ordinary people and do a serious debate preparation.

    A lesson for everyone, do not use twitter or facebook, never eat fast food, and never use hair spay, or else you might end up as dumb as Trump.
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    JackWJackW Posts: 14,787
    edited October 2016
    Joshua Darr of 538 on the huge disparity in the field offices between the Clinton and Trump campaigns :

    http://www.qu.edu/news-and-events/quinnipiac-university-poll/national/release-detail?ReleaseID=2386
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    Paul_BedfordshirePaul_Bedfordshire Posts: 3,632
    edited October 2016

    Trump's "what have you got to lose / what have Clinton's ever done for you / I have created loads of jobs for non-whites" could have won him quite a bit of support among African American's if he didn't have this "minor" issue with saying racist stuff on a daily basis....

    If fact if he had just nicked some of Bernie's sthick, shut up about building a wall and occasionally said hey I said things in the past i regret but I haven't called millions of people deplorable basement dwellers...against the Clinton-Bot-2000 he might have even won.

    Can someone provide any quotes and sources for this apparent anti black racist hate talk he is alleged to be indulging in every day?

    I suspect it is "racist" in the same way that far left student nutjobs who thought it was racist for people attending a fancy dress party on a theme of dead rappers to have their skin as well as their clothes in fancy dress.

    And in the same way that Eco Nuts claim that fossil fuels receive huge state subsidies that turn out to be governments not taxing them punitively for damage to the envrionment that the econuts think occurs.
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100

    nunu said:


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    @maggieNYT

    Trump campaign is canceling hundreds of thousands of dollars in advertising in Fla, NC, OH, possibly other states, per two buying sources.

    Possibly because it will be seen in poor taste post hurricane?

    Or because they know it's over.
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    BarnesianBarnesian Posts: 7,997

    Alistair said:
    I guy I know which $100k on Clinton is a feeling a lot happier than when Clinton "stumbled".
    I'm surprised that Clinton's price seems to be stuck on 1.39 on Betfair which is a 71% chance when 538 is indicating nearer 80% chance (1.25 Betfair). The anecdotes are also indicating a clear Clinton win.

    I have two theories:

    1. The known unknowns favour Trump eg shy Trumpsters or more energised Trumpsters or a much better Trump debate performance. I can't think of any known unknowns that favour Clinton.

    2. Investors at stock market risk from a Trump presidency are hedging by betting on Trump (or laying Clinton). Although there is over £50 million staked on Betfair, it is chicken feed compared to the likely drop in value of the NYSE following an unpredicted Trump win, - so big stakes might be involved. If this is the case, then Clinton is a value bet (unless you are also hedging).
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,285
    edited October 2016

    Trump's "what have you got to lose / what have Clinton's ever done for you / I have created loads of jobs for non-whites" could have won him quite a bit of support among African American's if he didn't have this "minor" issue with saying racist stuff on a daily basis....

    If fact if he had just nicked some of Bernie's sthick, shut up about building a wall and occasionally said hey I said things in the past i regret but I haven't called millions of people deplorable basement dwellers...against the Clinton-Bot-2000 he might have even won.

    Can someone provide any quotes and sources for this apparent anti black racist hate talk he is alleged to be indulging in every day?
    Today he has been saying shall we say "unfortunate" things about the Central Park 5.
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    nunu said:


    Previous Tweet
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    Maggie Haberman Verified account
    @maggieNYT

    Trump campaign is canceling hundreds of thousands of dollars in advertising in Fla, NC, OH, possibly other states, per two buying sources.

    I was visiting my family back in New York this week. I saw two PAC-sponsored ads on TV urging me to vote for "Republican candidates on your ballot." No mention of Trump's name at all.
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    AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670

    Trump's "what have you got to lose / what have Clinton's ever done for you / I have created loads of jobs for non-whites" could have won him quite a bit of support among African American's if he didn't have this "minor" issue with saying racist stuff on a daily basis....

    If fact if he had just nicked some of Bernie's sthick, shut up about building a wall and occasionally said hey I said things in the past i regret but I haven't called millions of people deplorable basement dwellers...against the Clinton-Bot-2000 he might have even won.

    Can someone provide any quotes and sources for this apparent anti black racist hate talk he is alleged to be indulging in every day?
    Just yesterday he defended his behaviour over the central park 5.
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    nunununu Posts: 6,024
    edited October 2016

    Trump's "what have you got to lose / what have Clinton's ever done for you / I have created loads of jobs for non-whites" could have won him quite a bit of support among African American's if he didn't have this "minor" issue with saying racist stuff on a daily basis....

    If fact if he had just nicked some of Bernie's sthick, shut up about building a wall and occasionally said hey I said things in the past i regret but I haven't called millions of people deplorable basement dwellers...against the Clinton-Bot-2000 he might have even won.

    I agree with this 100%. People who say AA will vote for Trump in the privacy of the polling booths are either more tone deaf then Trump or just plain deluded. Most people vote on their gut instincts in the end. And the image people have of Trump either positive or negative will stick now. He may not be racist (and it is really amazing I am typing that for one of the two main nominees) but for many voters who don't pay as much attention to politics as we do they have made up their minds about him and how they FEEL about him which is key. Clinton may be part of the establishment but really is that any different from any other politician. Also Trump's $1billion loss dampens that line of attack rightly or wrongly anyway.
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    AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    Alistair said:

    Trump's "what have you got to lose / what have Clinton's ever done for you / I have created loads of jobs for non-whites" could have won him quite a bit of support among African American's if he didn't have this "minor" issue with saying racist stuff on a daily basis....

    If fact if he had just nicked some of Bernie's sthick, shut up about building a wall and occasionally said hey I said things in the past i regret but I haven't called millions of people deplorable basement dwellers...against the Clinton-Bot-2000 he might have even won.

    Can someone provide any quotes and sources for this apparent anti black racist hate talk he is alleged to be indulging in every day?
    Just yesterday he defended his behaviour over the central park 5.
    Also, the Birther stuff is racist. It is plainly and obviously racist.
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100

    Trump's "what have you got to lose / what have Clinton's ever done for you / I have created loads of jobs for non-whites" could have won him quite a bit of support among African American's if he didn't have this "minor" issue with saying racist stuff on a daily basis....

    If fact if he had just nicked some of Bernie's sthick, shut up about building a wall and occasionally said hey I said things in the past i regret but I haven't called millions of people deplorable basement dwellers...against the Clinton-Bot-2000 he might have even won.

    Can someone provide any quotes and sources for this apparent anti black racist hate talk he is alleged to be indulging in every day?
    Today he has been saying shall we say "unfortunate" things about the Central Park 5.
    Trump is campaigning like Hitler was campaigning in WW2.

    It's only a matter of time for the allies to reach his bunker.

    Why doesn't he finally resign and let someone else have a try.
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    MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 37,610
    Alistair said:

    Alistair said:

    Trump's "what have you got to lose / what have Clinton's ever done for you / I have created loads of jobs for non-whites" could have won him quite a bit of support among African American's if he didn't have this "minor" issue with saying racist stuff on a daily basis....

    If fact if he had just nicked some of Bernie's sthick, shut up about building a wall and occasionally said hey I said things in the past i regret but I haven't called millions of people deplorable basement dwellers...against the Clinton-Bot-2000 he might have even won.

    Can someone provide any quotes and sources for this apparent anti black racist hate talk he is alleged to be indulging in every day?
    Just yesterday he defended his behaviour over the central park 5.
    Also, the Birther stuff is racist. It is plainly and obviously racist.
    I think the comments about the judge were bordering on racist as well, questioning the ability of someone to complete a task based on their racial background is racist IMO. That pretty much pushed me into the not-trump camp despite my misgivings about Clinton. I'd have voted for Johnson until that point.
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    JackWJackW Posts: 14,787
    Jonathan Easley of "The Hill" reports on independents breaking for Clinton in post debate Quinnipiac polling (528 adjusted Clinton +8) :

    http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/299830-poll-indies-break-for-clinton-as-national-lead-widens
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    Alistair said:

    Trump's "what have you got to lose / what have Clinton's ever done for you / I have created loads of jobs for non-whites" could have won him quite a bit of support among African American's if he didn't have this "minor" issue with saying racist stuff on a daily basis....

    If fact if he had just nicked some of Bernie's sthick, shut up about building a wall and occasionally said hey I said things in the past i regret but I haven't called millions of people deplorable basement dwellers...against the Clinton-Bot-2000 he might have even won.

    Can someone provide any quotes and sources for this apparent anti black racist hate talk he is alleged to be indulging in every day?
    Just yesterday he defended his behaviour over the central park 5.
    I gather he said he thought some black people convicted of a serious crime which was then thrown out were after all guity. Did he call them n*****s, C***s or similar racist language, no.

    Sorry whether he is right or wrong, commenting on a notorious criminal case is not racist.

    If you want a bogeyword to have shock value dont dilute it to the extent a homeopathic practicioner dilutes a substance in water before administering it.
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    It is brilliant news for the pension industry. The fall in the pound is having an inversely proportional effect on FTSE shares due to most involving companies with huge foreign earnings so their share portfolios are soaring,

    they are only required to uprate pensions by CPI so the inflationary effects are throttled and much more than this and interest rates will go up so happy days all round.

    The only real losers are those with huge assets in the UK who use it for income and hoarding while abroad. Oh dear. What a shame. How sad.

    The other really good news is that, instead of saving £350m a week which we can spend on the NHS, it's now gone up to a saving of £400m a week. What's not to like?
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    619619 Posts: 1,784

    Alistair said:

    Trump's "what have you got to lose / what have Clinton's ever done for you / I have created loads of jobs for non-whites" could have won him quite a bit of support among African American's if he didn't have this "minor" issue with saying racist stuff on a daily basis....

    If fact if he had just nicked some of Bernie's sthick, shut up about building a wall and occasionally said hey I said things in the past i regret but I haven't called millions of people deplorable basement dwellers...against the Clinton-Bot-2000 he might have even won.

    Can someone provide any quotes and sources for this apparent anti black racist hate talk he is alleged to be indulging in every day?
    Just yesterday he defended his behaviour over the central park 5.
    I gather he said he thought some black people convicted of a serious crime which was then thrown out were after all guity. Did he call them n*****s, C***s or similar racist language, no.

    Sorry whether he is right or wrong, commenting on a notorious criminal case is not racist.

    If you want a bogeyword to have shock value dont dilute it to the extent a homeopathic practicioner dilutes a substance in water before administering it.
    birtherism is racist, which he banged on about for 8 years. and the central park 5 were found innocent years ago of being set up because of their skin colour, so for him to say that he still thinks they are guilty based on a racist lie is more fuel for the fire
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,080

    HYUFD said:

    JackW said:

    HYUFD said:

    Speedy said:

    619 said:

    Trumps new outreach for black voters

    Trump tells CNN he still considers Central Park 5 guilty: "They admitted they were guilty. police in original investigation say they were"

    The man is like Brewster trying to lose:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hCFzYcLVNk0
    He is getting 12% of the black vote in the latest Rasmussen
    Seriously @HYUFD .... Rasmussen .... I mean seriously !!!!!!!! .... :smiley:
    They got the 2004 election spot on and Trump led with them yesterday. Trump will do better with the black vote than the 5% Romney got, especially in the privacy of the booth
    No chance. Trumps best chance is for the African American and Latino vote to stay home. Very few will vote Republican but stay at homes could deliver him some states.
    He is doing better with African Americans than Romney
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,080
    nunu said:

    HYUFD said:

    JackW said:

    HYUFD said:

    Speedy said:

    619 said:

    Trumps new outreach for black voters

    Trump tells CNN he still considers Central Park 5 guilty: "They admitted they were guilty. police in original investigation say they were"

    The man is like Brewster trying to lose:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hCFzYcLVNk0
    He is getting 12% of the black vote in the latest Rasmussen
    Seriously @HYUFD .... Rasmussen .... I mean seriously !!!!!!!! .... :smiley:
    They got the 2004 election spot on and Trump led with them yesterday. Trump will do better with the black vote than the 5% Romney got, especially in the privacy of the booth
    There is absoluteley no evidence for this.
    There is, he is on 12% of the black vote with Rasmussen
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,080
    JackW said:

    HYUFD said:

    They got the 2004 election spot on and Trump led with them yesterday. Trump will do better with the black vote than the 5% Romney got, especially in the privacy of the booth

    Heard at that from McCain and Romney surrogates. Frankly it's embarrassing of you to spout the same drivel.

    The extensive surveys of AA voters show Trump barely registering. If Donald manages anywhere near 5% it will be a polling miracle - 2-3% more likely.
    As stated he is on 12% of the black vote with Rasmussen
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    619619 Posts: 1,784
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    JackW said:

    HYUFD said:

    Speedy said:

    619 said:

    Trumps new outreach for black voters

    Trump tells CNN he still considers Central Park 5 guilty: "They admitted they were guilty. police in original investigation say they were"

    The man is like Brewster trying to lose:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hCFzYcLVNk0
    He is getting 12% of the black vote in the latest Rasmussen
    Seriously @HYUFD .... Rasmussen .... I mean seriously !!!!!!!! .... :smiley:
    They got the 2004 election spot on and Trump led with them yesterday. Trump will do better with the black vote than the 5% Romney got, especially in the privacy of the booth
    No chance. Trumps best chance is for the African American and Latino vote to stay home. Very few will vote Republican but stay at homes could deliver him some states.
    He is doing better with African Americans than Romney
    in one poll. other polls have him at 3-5%. why ignore them
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    eekeek Posts: 25,007

    Speedy said:

    HYUFD said:

    Speedy said:

    619 said:

    Trumps new outreach for black voters

    Trump tells CNN he still considers Central Park 5 guilty: "They admitted they were guilty. police in original investigation say they were"

    The man is like Brewster trying to lose:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hCFzYcLVNk0
    He is getting 12% of the black vote in the latest Rasmussen
    Even Brewster from Brewster's millions was way better than Trump and had much more fun that him in his efforts to lose.

    Trump can't even lose with grace and style.

    I read somewhere that a younger Trump bumped into an old friend of his father's who was rich but lost it all and was kicked out of the club. Trump is going straight in that direction.

    Everyone hates him, his reputation is ruined, customers are avoiding him.
    Defeat in this election would be the end of him and he doesn't make a serious effort to win.
    I notice Oculous Rift founder wasn't invited to his companies own media day. Totally coincidentally it was revealed he had been funding a Trump supporting group.
    More Oculous Rift hasn't been the success Facebook was sold...
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,080
    619 said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    JackW said:

    HYUFD said:

    Speedy said:

    619 said:

    Trumps new outreach for black voters

    Trump tells CNN he still considers Central Park 5 guilty: "They admitted they were guilty. police in original investigation say they were"

    The man is like Brewster trying to lose:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hCFzYcLVNk0
    He is getting 12% of the black vote in the latest Rasmussen
    Seriously @HYUFD .... Rasmussen .... I mean seriously !!!!!!!! .... :smiley:
    They got the 2004 election spot on and Trump led with them yesterday. Trump will do better with the black vote than the 5% Romney got, especially in the privacy of the booth
    No chance. Trumps best chance is for the African American and Latino vote to stay home. Very few will vote Republican but stay at homes could deliver him some states.
    He is doing better with African Americans than Romney
    in one poll. other polls have him at 3-5%. why ignore them
    Romney never polled as high as 12% with the African American vote
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    619619 Posts: 1,784
    HYUFD said:

    619 said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    JackW said:

    HYUFD said:

    Speedy said:

    619 said:

    Trumps new outreach for black voters

    Trump tells CNN he still considers Central Park 5 guilty: "They admitted they were guilty. police in original investigation say they were"

    The man is like Brewster trying to lose:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hCFzYcLVNk0
    He is getting 12% of the black vote in the latest Rasmussen
    Seriously @HYUFD .... Rasmussen .... I mean seriously !!!!!!!! .... :smiley:
    They got the 2004 election spot on and Trump led with them yesterday. Trump will do better with the black vote than the 5% Romney got, especially in the privacy of the booth
    No chance. Trumps best chance is for the African American and Latino vote to stay home. Very few will vote Republican but stay at homes could deliver him some states.
    He is doing better with African Americans than Romney
    in one poll. other polls have him at 3-5%. why ignore them
    Romney never polled as high as 12% with the African American vote
    again. just with one pollster.
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