"What I find inexplicable is that Corbyn is so popular within the selectorate in the face of a huge amount of polling data that he would be a huge liability at a general election."
It's quite simple: because, however badly Corbyn's doing, there's no evidence that the alternative would be doing any better. Especially when the alternative would by all indicators be following the doomed Remain Campaign's playbook.
The alternative to Corbyn supported peace talks with ISIS on national TV.
If that didn't convince OGH how much crappier Owen Smith is, well shame to him.
How can anyone with a brain support peace talks with ISIS on a BBC leaders debate like Owen Smith did ?
How can anyone with a brain continue to support him after that ?
The difference is that even if Owen Smith is useless, he would only be there as the PLP nominee and as such, would be more likely to stand down if he in turn were No Confidenced - at which point, Labour might elect a half-sensible leader from among a small pool nominated from the centre and centre-right of the party.
I don't think that pitch will work, "Vote for me and I'll resign" sounds a bit absurd and desperate. But the whole campaign of Owen Smith is absurd and desperate at this point.
"What I find inexplicable is that Corbyn is so popular within the selectorate in the face of a huge amount of polling data that he would be a huge liability at a general election."
It's quite simple: because, however badly Corbyn's doing, there's no evidence that the alternative would be doing any better. Especially when the alternative would by all indicators be following the doomed Remain Campaign's playbook.
Except there is. Smith is way out in front among voters as preferred Labour leader. But it's polls again, I guess.
That wasn't a voting intention poll -- there was another poll earlier in the leadership campaign asking people how they would vote under different leaders, and it had a Corbyn-led Labour doing (slightly) better in an election than a Smith-led Labour or an Eagle-led Labour. Essentially because Tory voters who would "prefer" Smith still wouldn't switch to Labour even if he was leader, whereas people who "prefer" Corbyn actually would desert the party if he wasn't leader anymore.
In any case, for the "preferred Labour leader" you're referring to, many people who answered Smith would've had no clue who he was, and specifically would not have known he planned to ignore the EU referendum result, that he's not exactly super-competent himself, etc.
I get that misrepresenting Smith's positions works among Corbyn supporters, but it's pretty pointless on here.
And, yes, it is clear that many Corbyn supporters are just that. They do not support the Labour party. This does explain an awful lot about the current contest.
In regard to the men's kayak gold medal would someone be able clarify if this is considered a posh or a moderately working class sport on the widely acclaimed Tyson scale of sporting achievement?
Eskimos are a minority, so should pass any Guardianista test.
Well now you come to mention it.....
Innuit ear pulling olympics
ttp://youtu.be/onyHnECA5k8
Are we allowed to say Eskimo anymore? I thought Innuit was the PC term. Nose-kissing and igloos will always be Eskimo to me.
No not really apparently as Google tells me......
"Although the name "Eskimo" is commonly used in Alaska to refer to all Inuit and Yupik people of the world, this name is considered derogatory in many other places because it was given by non-Inuit people and was said to mean "eater of raw meat"
It can be applied to all of the Eskimo peoples in Canada and Greenland, that is not true in Alaska and Siberia. In Alaska the term 'Eskimo' is commonly used, because it includes both Yupik and Iñupiat.
I'd have thought *eater of raw meat* was entirely accurate myself. I always fancied a propah Eskimo coat as a kid. I did have a real Afghan - it was my pride and joy, just beautiful - and smelly when wet. A friend had a stuffed yak brought back by her parents... I coverted it.
"What I find inexplicable is that Corbyn is so popular within the selectorate in the face of a huge amount of polling data that he would be a huge liability at a general election."
It's quite simple: because, however badly Corbyn's doing, there's no evidence that the alternative would be doing any better. Especially when the alternative would by all indicators be following the doomed Remain Campaign's playbook.
The alternative to Corbyn supported peace talks with ISIS on national TV.
If that didn't convince OGH how much crappier Owen Smith is, well shame to him.
How can anyone with a brain support peace talks with ISIS on a BBC leaders debate like Owen Smith did ?
How can anyone with a brain continue to support him after that ?
The difference is that even if Owen Smith is useless, he would only be there as the PLP nominee and as such, would be more likely to stand down if he in turn were No Confidenced - at which point, Labour might elect a half-sensible leader from among a small pool nominated from the centre and centre-right of the party.
And that is another of the reasons why Smith isn't winning -- because, even to the extent what he's saying is tolerable to some of the softer Corbyn voters, there's a fear that Smith himself would soon be ousted in favour of a Blairite ultra who will go back to the dark days of abstaining on benefit cuts (and at the same time being so useless in media interviews that they get slaughtered in an election even in spite of endless surrenders to the Tories on policy matters).
"What I find inexplicable is that Corbyn is so popular within the selectorate in the face of a huge amount of polling data that he would be a huge liability at a general election."
It's quite simple: because, however badly Corbyn's doing, there's no evidence that the alternative would be doing any better. Especially when the alternative would by all indicators be following the doomed Remain Campaign's playbook.
The alternative to Corbyn supported peace talks with ISIS on national TV.
If that didn't convince OGH how much crappier Owen Smith is, well shame to him.
How can anyone with a brain support peace talks with ISIS on a BBC leaders debate like Owen Smith did ?
How can anyone with a brain continue to support him after that ?
The difference is that even if Owen Smith is useless, he would only be there as the PLP nominee and as such, would be more likely to stand down if he in turn were No Confidenced - at which point, Labour might elect a half-sensible leader from among a small pool nominated from the centre and centre-right of the party.
I don't think that pitch will work, "Vote for me and I'll resign" sounds a bit absurd and desperate. But the whole campaign of Owen Smith is absurd and desperate at this point.
I don't think that is quite his pitch. But frankly, at this stage, Labour should be looking for any way of getting shut of Corbyn that would allow a credible leader to be at the helm for the next GE.
Well, I'd have drowned by now. How the eff do they do this?
Three Brits in front runners.
And then just jump on a bike and crack on with a road race. The most mental of sports.
And this is the whimpy "sprint" version...
Aye, it looks like a doddle... (I'd insert a wink face emoji here but I think that's been banned)
The Mauritian competitor, Fabienne St Louis, has been diagnosed with cancer and is undergoing treatment - still wanted to compete. Astonishing. Hope she completes the event.
"What I find inexplicable is that Corbyn is so popular within the selectorate in the face of a huge amount of polling data that he would be a huge liability at a general election."
It's quite simple: because, however badly Corbyn's doing, there's no evidence that the alternative would be doing any better. Especially when the alternative would by all indicators be following the doomed Remain Campaign's playbook.
Except there is. Smith is way out in front among voters as preferred Labour leader. But it's polls again, I guess.
That wasn't a voting intention poll -- there was another poll earlier in the leadership campaign asking people how they would vote under different leaders, and it had a Corbyn-led Labour doing (slightly) better in an election than a Smith-led Labour or an Eagle-led Labour. Essentially because Tory voters who would "prefer" Smith still wouldn't switch to Labour even if he was leader, whereas people who "prefer" Corbyn actually would desert the party if he wasn't leader anymore.
In any case, for the "preferred Labour leader" you're referring to, many people who answered Smith would've had no clue who he was, and specifically would not have known he planned to ignore the EU referendum result, that he's not exactly super-competent himself, etc.
I get that misrepresenting Smith's positions works among Corbyn supporters, but it's pretty pointless on here.
And, yes, it is clear that many Corbyn supporters are just that. They do not support the Labour party. This does explain an awful lot about the current contest.
"Misrepresenting Smith's positions works among Corbyn supporters"
Posh - Kayaking comes under cultural misappropriation and thus considered as Imperialist.
@JohnyHelzapopin: @JohnyHelzapopin Canoe/Kayak all non essential to industry boats are Tory, also cultural appropriation from Native Americans, über Tory
Blimey, I was just taking the pish, - this @JohnyHelzapopin sounds like a right numpty.
In regard to the men's kayak gold medal would someone be able clarify if this is considered a posh or a moderately working class sport on the widely acclaimed Tyson scale of sporting achievement?
Eskimos are a minority, so should pass any Guardianista test.
Well now you come to mention it.....
Innuit ear pulling olympics
ttp://youtu.be/onyHnECA5k8
Are we allowed to say Eskimo anymore? I thought Innuit was the PC term. Nose-kissing and igloos will always be Eskimo to me.
I am a fellow refusenik. Mind you, I still use Peking and Calcutta, so am definitely going to hell.
And Burmese and Siamese cats
Thinking about it, I’ve seen quite a few cats in Thailand but I can’t recall one I would have thought was “Siamese”.
"What I find inexplicable is that Corbyn is so popular within the selectorate in the face of a huge amount of polling data that he would be a huge liability at a general election."
It's quite simple: because, however badly Corbyn's doing, there's no evidence that the alternative would be doing any better. Especially when the alternative would by all indicators be following the doomed Remain Campaign's playbook.
The alternative to Corbyn supported peace talks with ISIS on national TV.
If that didn't convince OGH how much crappier Owen Smith is, well shame to him.
How can anyone with a brain support peace talks with ISIS on a BBC leaders debate like Owen Smith did ?
How can anyone with a brain continue to support him after that ?
The difference is that even if Owen Smith is useless, he would only be there as the PLP nominee and as such, would be more likely to stand down if he in turn were No Confidenced - at which point, Labour might elect a half-sensible leader from among a small pool nominated from the centre and centre-right of the party.
I don't think that pitch will work, "Vote for me and I'll resign" sounds a bit absurd and desperate. But the whole campaign of Owen Smith is absurd and desperate at this point.
I don't think that is quite his pitch. But frankly, at this stage, Labour should be looking for any way of getting shut of Corbyn that would allow a credible leader to be at the helm for the next GE.
A large number of Corbyn supporters are just that. They have little interest in Labour winning elections. Having Jeremy as leader is far more important.
Posh - Kayaking comes under cultural misappropriation and thus considered as Imperialist.
@JohnyHelzapopin: @JohnyHelzapopin Canoe/Kayak all non essential to industry boats are Tory, also cultural appropriation from Native Americans, über Tory
Blimey, I was just taking the pish, - this @JohnyHelzapopin sounds like a right numpty.
In regard to the men's kayak gold medal would someone be able clarify if this is considered a posh or a moderately working class sport on the widely acclaimed Tyson scale of sporting achievement?
Eskimos are a minority, so should pass any Guardianista test.
Well now you come to mention it.....
Innuit ear pulling olympics
ttp://youtu.be/onyHnECA5k8
Are we allowed to say Eskimo anymore? I thought Innuit was the PC term. Nose-kissing and igloos will always be Eskimo to me.
No not really apparently as Google tells me......
"Although the name "Eskimo" is commonly used in Alaska to refer to all Inuit and Yupik people of the world, this name is considered derogatory in many other places because it was given by non-Inuit people and was said to mean "eater of raw meat"
It can be applied to all of the Eskimo peoples in Canada and Greenland, that is not true in Alaska and Siberia. In Alaska the term 'Eskimo' is commonly used, because it includes both Yupik and Iñupiat.
I'd have thought *eater of raw meat* was entirely accurate myself. I always fancied a propah Eskimo coat as a kid. I did have a real Afghan - it was my pride and joy, just beautiful - and smelly when wet. A friend had a stuffed yak brought back by her parents... I coverted it.
Well the raw meat bit is fairly correct.
I used to work in Iceland and also regularly in Greenland at a place called ilulissat. One of the specialities in Iceland is raw whale meat and smoked puffin. You have to be rather brave to be honest. There were also a few culinary items in Greenland that I felt I had to poke first just to ensure it was dead. On one occasion even then I still wasn't certain.
In regard to the men's kayak gold medal would someone be able clarify if this is considered a posh or a moderately working class sport on the widely acclaimed Tyson scale of sporting achievement?
Eskimos are a minority, so should pass any Guardianista test.
Well now you come to mention it.....
Innuit ear pulling olympics
ttp://youtu.be/onyHnECA5k8
Are we allowed to say Eskimo anymore? I thought Innuit was the PC term. Nose-kissing and igloos will always be Eskimo to me.
No not really apparently as Google tells me......
"Although the name "Eskimo" is commonly used in Alaska to refer to all Inuit and Yupik people of the world, this name is considered derogatory in many other places because it was given by non-Inuit people and was said to mean "eater of raw meat"
It can be applied to all of the Eskimo peoples in Canada and Greenland, that is not true in Alaska and Siberia. In Alaska the term 'Eskimo' is commonly used, because it includes both Yupik and Iñupiat.
I'd have thought *eater of raw meat* was entirely accurate myself. I always fancied a propah Eskimo coat as a kid. I did have a real Afghan - it was my pride and joy, just beautiful - and smelly when wet. A friend had a stuffed yak brought back by her parents... I coverted it.
Well the raw meat bit is fairly correct.
I used to work in Iceland and also regularly in Greenland at a place called ilulissat. One of the specialities in Iceland is raw whale meat and smoked puffin. You have to be rather brave to be honest. There were also a few culinary items in Greenland that I felt I had to poke first just to ensure it was dead. On one occasion even then I still wasn't certain.
Smoked puffin sounds like it would be an acquired taste.
In regard to the men's kayak gold medal would someone be able clarify if this is considered a posh or a moderately working class sport on the widely acclaimed Tyson scale of sporting achievement?
Eskimos are a minority, so should pass any Guardianista test.
Well now you come to mention it.....
Innuit ear pulling olympics
ttp://youtu.be/onyHnECA5k8
Are we allowed to say Eskimo anymore? I thought Innuit was the PC term. Nose-kissing and igloos will always be Eskimo to me.
I am a fellow refusenik. Mind you, I still use Peking and Calcutta, so am definitely going to hell.
And Burmese and Siamese cats
Thinking about it, I’ve seen quite a few cats in Thailand but I can’t recall one I would have thought was “Siamese”.
In regard to the men's kayak gold medal would someone be able clarify if this is considered a posh or a moderately working class sport on the widely acclaimed Tyson scale of sporting achievement?
Eskimos are a minority, so should pass any Guardianista test.
Well now you come to mention it.....
Innuit ear pulling olympics
ttp://youtu.be/onyHnECA5k8
Are we allowed to say Eskimo anymore? I thought Innuit was the PC term. Nose-kissing and igloos will always be Eskimo to me.
No not really apparently as Google tells me......
"Although the name "Eskimo" is commonly used in Alaska to refer to all Inuit and Yupik people of the world, this name is considered derogatory in many other places because it was given by non-Inuit people and was said to mean "eater of raw meat"
It can be applied to all of the Eskimo peoples in Canada and Greenland, that is not true in Alaska and Siberia. In Alaska the term 'Eskimo' is commonly used, because it includes both Yupik and Iñupiat.
I'd have thought *eater of raw meat* was entirely accurate myself. I always fancied a propah Eskimo coat as a kid. I did have a real Afghan - it was my pride and joy, just beautiful - and smelly when wet. A friend had a stuffed yak brought back by her parents... I coverted it.
Well the raw meat bit is fairly correct.
I used to work in Iceland and also regularly in Greenland at a place called ilulissat. One of the specialities in Iceland is raw whale meat and smoked puffin. You have to be rather brave to be honest. There were also a few culinary items in Greenland that I felt I had to poke first just to ensure it was dead. On one occasion even then I still wasn't certain.
Witchetty grubs (Native Australian) are often eaten raw. And alive.
Posh - Kayaking comes under cultural misappropriation and thus considered as Imperialist.
@JohnyHelzapopin: @JohnyHelzapopin Canoe/Kayak all non essential to industry boats are Tory, also cultural appropriation from Native Americans, über Tory
Blimey, I was just taking the pish, - this @JohnyHelzapopin sounds like a right numpty.
Coracle racing?
Or similar but at the opposite end of the posh scale " Cambridge punting slalom"
In regard to the men's kayak gold medal would someone be able clarify if this is considered a posh or a moderately working class sport on the widely acclaimed Tyson scale of sporting achievement?
Eskimos are a minority, so should pass any Guardianista test.
Well now you come to mention it.....
Innuit ear pulling olympics
ttp://youtu.be/onyHnECA5k8
Are we allowed to say Eskimo anymore? I thought Innuit was the PC term. Nose-kissing and igloos will always be Eskimo to me.
No not really apparently as Google tells me......
"Although the name "Eskimo" is commonly used in Alaska to refer to all Inuit and Yupik people of the world, this name is considered derogatory in many other places because it was given by non-Inuit people and was said to mean "eater of raw meat"
It can be applied to all of the Eskimo peoples in Canada and Greenland, that is not true in Alaska and Siberia. In Alaska the term 'Eskimo' is commonly used, because it includes both Yupik and Iñupiat.
I'd have thought *eater of raw meat* was entirely accurate myself. I always fancied a propah Eskimo coat as a kid. I did have a real Afghan - it was my pride and joy, just beautiful - and smelly when wet. A friend had a stuffed yak brought back by her parents... I coverted it.
Well the raw meat bit is fairly correct.
I used to work in Iceland and also regularly in Greenland at a place called ilulissat. One of the specialities in Iceland is raw whale meat and smoked puffin. You have to be rather brave to be honest. There were also a few culinary items in Greenland that I felt I had to poke first just to ensure it was dead. On one occasion even then I still wasn't certain.
I well recall a steak that a colleague suggested a good vet could revive.
In regard to the men's kayak gold medal would someone be able clarify if this is considered a posh or a moderately working class sport on the widely acclaimed Tyson scale of sporting achievement?
Eskimos are a minority, so should pass any Guardianista test.
Well now you come to mention it.....
Innuit ear pulling olympics
ttp://youtu.be/onyHnECA5k8
Are we allowed to say Eskimo anymore? I thought Innuit was the PC term. Nose-kissing and igloos will always be Eskimo to me.
No not really apparently as Google tells me......
"Although the name "Eskimo" is commonly used in Alaska to refer to all Inuit and Yupik people of the world, this name is considered derogatory in many other places because it was given by non-Inuit people and was said to mean "eater of raw meat"
It can be applied to all of the Eskimo peoples in Canada and Greenland, that is not true in Alaska and Siberia. In Alaska the term 'Eskimo' is commonly used, because it includes both Yupik and Iñupiat.
I made the horrific PC faux pas of not calling Canadian native folk, "First Nation People", I was scolded by a white Canadian.
I was once chastised by a Pakeha* about how the British had cheated the Maori out of their lands. I pointed out that it was his ancesters that did this; my family were farming in the Peak district or Scotland at the time...
*White New Zealanders - literally settler in Maori.
In regard to the men's kayak gold medal would someone be able clarify if this is considered a posh or a moderately working class sport on the widely acclaimed Tyson scale of sporting achievement?
Eskimos are a minority, so should pass any Guardianista test.
Well now you come to mention it.....
Innuit ear pulling olympics
ttp://youtu.be/onyHnECA5k8
Are we allowed to say Eskimo anymore? I thought Innuit was the PC term. Nose-kissing and igloos will always be Eskimo to me.
I am a fellow refusenik. Mind you, I still use Peking and Calcutta, so am definitely going to hell.
And Burmese and Siamese cats
Thinking about it, I’ve seen quite a few cats in Thailand but I can’t recall one I would have thought was “Siamese”.
In regard to the men's kayak gold medal would someone be able clarify if this is considered a posh or a moderately working class sport on the widely acclaimed Tyson scale of sporting achievement?
Eskimos are a minority, so should pass any Guardianista test.
Well now you come to mention it.....
Innuit ear pulling olympics
ttp://youtu.be/onyHnECA5k8
Are we allowed to say Eskimo anymore? I thought Innuit was the PC term. Nose-kissing and igloos will always be Eskimo to me.
No not really apparently as Google tells me......
"Although the name "Eskimo" is commonly used in Alaska to refer to all Inuit and Yupik people of the world, this name is considered derogatory in many other places because it was given by non-Inuit people and was said to mean "eater of raw meat"
It can be applied to all of the Eskimo peoples in Canada and Greenland, that is not true in Alaska and Siberia. In Alaska the term 'Eskimo' is commonly used, because it includes both Yupik and Iñupiat.
I'd have thought *eater of raw meat* was entirely accurate myself. I always fancied a propah Eskimo coat as a kid. I did have a real Afghan - it was my pride and joy, just beautiful - and smelly when wet. A friend had a stuffed yak brought back by her parents... I coverted it.
Well the raw meat bit is fairly correct.
I used to work in Iceland and also regularly in Greenland at a place called ilulissat. One of the specialities in Iceland is raw whale meat and smoked puffin. You have to be rather brave to be honest. There were also a few culinary items in Greenland that I felt I had to poke first just to ensure it was dead. On one occasion even then I still wasn't certain.
Smoked puffin sounds like it would be an acquired taste.
I thought that sounded rather yummy, whale blubber
Posh - Kayaking comes under cultural misappropriation and thus considered as Imperialist.
@JohnyHelzapopin: @JohnyHelzapopin Canoe/Kayak all non essential to industry boats are Tory, also cultural appropriation from Native Americans, über Tory
Blimey, I was just taking the pish, - this @JohnyHelzapopin sounds like a right numpty.
Coracle racing?
Or similar but at the opposite end of the posh scale " Cambridge punting slalom"
With or without some posh totty sipping Pimms amidships?
In regard to the men's kayak gold medal would someone be able clarify if this is considered a posh or a moderately working class sport on the widely acclaimed Tyson scale of sporting achievement?
Eskimos are a minority, so should pass any Guardianista test.
Well now you come to mention it.....
Innuit ear pulling olympics
ttp://youtu.be/onyHnECA5k8
Are we allowed to say Eskimo anymore? I thought Innuit was the PC term. Nose-kissing and igloos will always be Eskimo to me.
No not really apparently as Google tells me......
"Although the name "Eskimo" is commonly used in Alaska to refer to all Inuit and Yupik people of the world, this name is considered derogatory in many other places because it was given by non-Inuit people and was said to mean "eater of raw meat"
It can be applied to all of the Eskimo peoples in Canada and Greenland, that is not true in Alaska and Siberia. In Alaska the term 'Eskimo' is commonly used, because it includes both Yupik and Iñupiat.
I'd have thought *eater of raw meat* was entirely accurate myself. I always fancied a propah Eskimo coat as a kid. I did have a real Afghan - it was my pride and joy, just beautiful - and smelly when wet. A friend had a stuffed yak brought back by her parents... I coverted it.
Well the raw meat bit is fairly correct.
I used to work in Iceland and also regularly in Greenland at a place called ilulissat. One of the specialities in Iceland is raw whale meat and smoked puffin. You have to be rather brave to be honest. There were also a few culinary items in Greenland that I felt I had to poke first just to ensure it was dead. On one occasion even then I still wasn't certain.
Smoked puffin sounds like it would be an acquired taste.
Yea I think so. It wasn't bad to be fair but not something I would select again outright.
In regard to the men's kayak gold medal would someone be able clarify if this is considered a posh or a moderately working class sport on the widely acclaimed Tyson scale of sporting achievement?
Eskimos are a minority, so should pass any Guardianista test.
Well now you come to mention it.....
Innuit ear pulling olympics
ttp://youtu.be/onyHnECA5k8
Are we allowed to say Eskimo anymore? I thought Innuit was the PC term. Nose-kissing and igloos will always be Eskimo to me.
No not really apparently as Google tells me......
"Although the name "Eskimo" is commonly used in Alaska to refer to all Inuit and Yupik people of the world, this name is considered derogatory in many other places because it was given by non-Inuit people and was said to mean "eater of raw meat"
It can be applied to all of the Eskimo peoples in Canada and Greenland, that is not true in Alaska and Siberia. In Alaska the term 'Eskimo' is commonly used, because it includes both Yupik and Iñupiat.
I'd have thought *eater of raw meat* was entirely accurate myself. I always fancied a propah Eskimo coat as a kid. I did have a real Afghan - it was my pride and joy, just beautiful - and smelly when wet. A friend had a stuffed yak brought back by her parents... I coverted it.
Well the raw meat bit is fairly correct.
I used to work in Iceland and also regularly in Greenland at a place called ilulissat. One of the specialities in Iceland is raw whale meat and smoked puffin. You have to be rather brave to be honest. There were also a few culinary items in Greenland that I felt I had to poke first just to ensure it was dead. On one occasion even then I still wasn't certain.
Witchetty grubs (Native Australian) are often eaten raw. And alive.
"What I find inexplicable is that Corbyn is so popular within the selectorate in the face of a huge amount of polling data that he would be a huge liability at a general election."
It's quite simple: because, however badly Corbyn's doing, there's no evidence that the alternative would be doing any better. Especially when the alternative would by all indicators be following the doomed Remain Campaign's playbook.
Except there is. Smith is way out in front among voters as preferred Labour leader. But it's polls again, I guess.
That wasn't a voting intention poll -- there was another poll earlier in the leadership campaign asking people how they would vote under different leaders, and it had a Corbyn-led Labour doing (slightly) better in an election than a Smith-led Labour or an Eagle-led Labour. Essentially because Tory voters who would "prefer" Smith still wouldn't switch to Labour even if he was leader, whereas people who "prefer" Corbyn actually would desert the party if he wasn't leader anymore.
In any case, for the "preferred Labour leader" you're referring to, many people who answered Smith would've had no clue who he was, and specifically would not have known he planned to ignore the EU referendum result, that he's not exactly super-competent himself, etc.
I get that misrepresenting Smith's positions works among Corbyn supporters, but it's pretty pointless on here.
And, yes, it is clear that many Corbyn supporters are just that. They do not support the Labour party. This does explain an awful lot about the current contest.
"Misrepresenting Smith's positions works among Corbyn supporters"
For all those who have dismissed without thinking much (and I include myself here) Owen Smith's ISIS statement, consider this long piece from Jonathan Powell (ex-Downing Street) based on his experience in Ireland and research into negotiating with terrorists:
"And while Isis may not want to talk to us at the moment, we need to start building a channel to them, as we did with the IRA in 1972, so we can communicate. At some stage, we will need to negotiate with violent Islamic extremism, whether in this form or another one, if their ideas continue to have political support and we want to find a lasting solution to conflict in the region. They are unlikely to simply fade away."
Posh - Kayaking comes under cultural misappropriation and thus considered as Imperialist.
@JohnyHelzapopin: @JohnyHelzapopin Canoe/Kayak all non essential to industry boats are Tory, also cultural appropriation from Native Americans, über Tory
Blimey, I was just taking the pish, - this @JohnyHelzapopin sounds like a right numpty.
Coracle racing?
Or similar but at the opposite end of the posh scale " Cambridge punting slalom"
With or without some posh totty sipping Pimms amidships?
I had a friend who was a national level rower and came from a pretty normal background. I remember asked how and why he got into what is perceived as a posho sport, he informed me the posh totty in cracking shape may well have been a significant motivating factor.
Posh - Kayaking comes under cultural misappropriation and thus considered as Imperialist.
@JohnyHelzapopin: @JohnyHelzapopin Canoe/Kayak all non essential to industry boats are Tory, also cultural appropriation from Native Americans, über Tory
Blimey, I was just taking the pish, - this @JohnyHelzapopin sounds like a right numpty.
Coracle racing?
Or similar but at the opposite end of the posh scale " Cambridge punting slalom"
With or without some posh totty sipping Pimms amidships?
Essential I would say to be properly "crewed and fuelled"
Also should include appropriate personal racing attire namely white slacks, a ludicrously striped jacket and a straw boater ......
In regard to the men's kayak gold medal would someone be able clarify if this is considered a posh or a moderately working class sport on the widely acclaimed Tyson scale of sporting achievement?
Eskimos are a minority, so should pass any Guardianista test.
Well now you come to mention it.....
Innuit ear pulling olympics
ttp://youtu.be/onyHnECA5k8
Are we allowed to say Eskimo anymore? I thought Innuit was the PC term. Nose-kissing and igloos will always be Eskimo to me.
No not really apparently as Google tells me......
"Although the name "Eskimo" is commonly used in Alaska to refer to all Inuit and Yupik people of the world, this name is considered derogatory in many other places because it was given by non-Inuit people and was said to mean "eater of raw meat"
It can be applied to all of the Eskimo peoples in Canada and Greenland, that is not true in Alaska and Siberia. In Alaska the term 'Eskimo' is commonly used, because it includes both Yupik and Iñupiat.
I'd have thought *eater of raw meat* was entirely accurate myself. I always fancied a propah Eskimo coat as a kid. I did have a real Afghan - it was my pride and joy, just beautiful - and smelly when wet. A friend had a stuffed yak brought back by her parents... I coverted it.
Well the raw meat bit is fairly correct.
I used to work in Iceland and also regularly in Greenland at a place called ilulissat. One of the specialities in Iceland is raw whale meat and smoked puffin. You have to be rather brave to be honest. There were also a few culinary items in Greenland that I felt I had to poke first just to ensure it was dead. On one occasion even then I still wasn't certain.
Witchetty grubs (Native Australian) are often eaten raw. And alive.
In regard to the men's kayak gold medal would someone be able clarify if this is considered a posh or a moderately working class sport on the widely acclaimed Tyson scale of sporting achievement?
Eskimos are a minority, so should pass any Guardianista test.
Well now you come to mention it.....
Innuit ear pulling olympics
ttp://youtu.be/onyHnECA5k8
Are we allowed to say Eskimo anymore? I thought Innuit was the PC term. Nose-kissing and igloos will always be Eskimo to me.
No not really apparently as Google tells me......
"Although the name "Eskimo" is commonly used in Alaska to refer to all Inuit and Yupik people of the world, this name is considered derogatory in many other places because it was given by non-Inuit people and was said to mean "eater of raw meat"
It can be applied to all of the Eskimo peoples in Canada and Greenland, that is not true in Alaska and Siberia. In Alaska the term 'Eskimo' is commonly used, because it includes both Yupik and Iñupiat.
I'd have thought *eater of raw meat* was entirely accurate myself. I always fancied a propah Eskimo coat as a kid. I did have a real Afghan - it was my pride and joy, just beautiful - and smelly when wet. A friend had a stuffed yak brought back by her parents... I coverted it.
Well the raw meat bit is fairly correct.
I used to work in Iceland and also regularly in Greenland at a place called ilulissat. One of the specialities in Iceland is raw whale meat and smoked puffin. You have to be rather brave to be honest. There were also a few culinary items in Greenland that I felt I had to poke first just to ensure it was dead. On one occasion even then I still wasn't certain.
Witchetty grubs (Native Australian) are often eaten raw. And alive.
"What I find inexplicable is that Corbyn is so popular within the selectorate in the face of a huge amount of polling data that he would be a huge liability at a general election."
It's quite simple: because, however badly Corbyn's doing, there's no evidence that the alternative would be doing any better. Especially when the alternative would by all indicators be following the doomed Remain Campaign's playbook.
Except there is. Smith is way out in front among voters as preferred Labour leader. But it's polls again, I guess.
That wasn't a voting intention poll -- there was another poll earlier in the leadership campaign asking people how they would vote under different leaders, and it had a Corbyn-led Labour doing (slightly) better in an election than a Smith-led Labour or an Eagle-led Labour. Essentially because Tory voters who would "prefer" Smith still wouldn't switch to Labour even if he was leader, whereas people who "prefer" Corbyn actually would desert the party if he wasn't leader anymore.
In any case, for the "preferred Labour leader" you're referring to, many people who answered Smith would've had no clue who he was, and specifically would not have known he planned to ignore the EU referendum result, that he's not exactly super-competent himself, etc.
I get that misrepresenting Smith's positions works among Corbyn supporters, but it's pretty pointless on here.
And, yes, it is clear that many Corbyn supporters are just that. They do not support the Labour party. This does explain an awful lot about the current contest.
"Misrepresenting Smith's positions works among Corbyn supporters"
In regard to the men's kayak gold medal would someone be able clarify if this is considered a posh or a moderately working class sport on the widely acclaimed Tyson scale of sporting achievement?
Eskimos are a minority, so should pass any Guardianista test.
Well now you come to mention it.....
Innuit ear pulling olympics
ttp://youtu.be/onyHnECA5k8
Are we allowed to say Eskimo anymore? I thought Innuit was the PC term. Nose-kissing and igloos will always be Eskimo to me.
No not really apparently as Google tells me......
"Although the name "Eskimo" is commonly used in Alaska to refer to all Inuit and Yupik people of the world, this name is considered derogatory in many other places because it was given by non-Inuit people and was said to mean "eater of raw meat"
It can be applied to all of the Eskimo peoples in Canada and Greenland, that is not true in Alaska and Siberia. In Alaska the term 'Eskimo' is commonly used, because it includes both Yupik and Iñupiat.
I'd have thought *eater of raw meat* was entirely accurate myself. I always fancied a propah Eskimo coat as a kid. I did have a real Afghan - it was my pride and joy, just beautiful - and smelly when wet. A friend had a stuffed yak brought back by her parents... I coverted it.
Well the raw meat bit is fairly correct.
I used to work in Iceland and also regularly in Greenland at a place called ilulissat. One of the specialities in Iceland is raw whale meat and smoked puffin. You have to be rather brave to be honest. There were also a few culinary items in Greenland that I felt I had to poke first just to ensure it was dead. On one occasion even then I still wasn't certain.
Witchetty grubs (Native Australian) are often eaten raw. And alive.
In regard to the men's kayak gold medal would someone be able clarify if this is considered a posh or a moderately working class sport on the widely acclaimed Tyson scale of sporting achievement?
Eskimos are a minority, so should pass any Guardianista test.
Well now you come to mention it.....
Innuit ear pulling olympics
ttp://youtu.be/onyHnECA5k8
Are we allowed to say Eskimo anymore? I thought Innuit was the PC term. Nose-kissing and igloos will always be Eskimo to me.
No not really apparently as Google tells me......
"Although the name "Eskimo" is commonly used in Alaska to refer to all Inuit and Yupik people of the world, this name is considered derogatory in many other places because it was given by non-Inuit people and was said to mean "eater of raw meat"
It can be applied to all of the Eskimo peoples in Canada and Greenland, that is not true in Alaska and Siberia. In Alaska the term 'Eskimo' is commonly used, because it includes both Yupik and Iñupiat.
I'd have thought *eater of raw meat* was entirely accurate myself. I always fancied a propah Eskimo coat as a kid. I did have a real Afghan - it was my pride and joy, just beautiful - and smelly when wet. A friend had a stuffed yak brought back by her parents... I coverted it.
Well the raw meat bit is fairly correct.
I used to work in Iceland and also regularly in Greenland at a place called ilulissat. One of the specialities in Iceland is raw whale meat and smoked puffin. You have to be rather brave to be honest. There were also a few culinary items in Greenland that I felt I had to poke first just to ensure it was dead. On one occasion even then I still wasn't certain.
Witchetty grubs (Native Australian) are often eaten raw. And alive.
FWIW, the piece down there about opening up communication is spot on.
However, the government that does that will almost certainly have to keep that hushed up and probably back it up with real demonstrations of force. "We will talk, it's up to you to come to us, and we will kill you and your friends while you think it over".
The Pollyannaish British diving commentators remind me of the cycling "experts" during the London road race who assured us that the British team were controlling the race from the back.
British guy through to quarter finals in the one legged kicking competition. Beat Silver medalist from 2012.
Apparently the two British girls who won medals in the said OLK comp share a flat.
The commentator remarked that that must be a deterrent against burglars.
There was a story of Silver medalist in the pyjama wrestling was out to dinner in Rio and somebody tried to steal his friends phone...it didn't end well...for the thief.
With the OLK girls, if a burglar did come in, I presume only kicks to the ribs and head count...
The Pollyannaish British diving commentators remind me of the cycling "experts" during the London road race who assured us that the British team were controlling the race from the back.
'Of course, last is exactly where we want to be at this stage, tactically'
In regard to the men's kayak gold medal would someone be able clarify if this is considered a posh or a moderately working class sport on the widely acclaimed Tyson scale of sporting achievement?
Eskimos are a minority, so should pass any Guardianista test.
Well now you come to mention it.....
Innuit ear pulling olympics
ttp://youtu.be/onyHnECA5k8
Are we allowed to say Eskimo anymore? I thought Innuit was the PC term. Nose-kissing and igloos will always be Eskimo to me.
No not really apparently as Google tells me......
"Although the name "Eskimo" is commonly used in Alaska to refer to all Inuit and Yupik people of the world, this name is considered derogatory in many other places because it was given by non-Inuit people and was said to mean "eater of raw meat"
It can be applied to all of the Eskimo peoples in Canada and Greenland, that is not true in Alaska and Siberia. In Alaska the term 'Eskimo' is commonly used, because it includes both Yupik and Iñupiat.
I'd have thought *eater of raw meat* was entirely accurate myself. I always fancied a propah Eskimo coat as a kid. I did have a real Afghan - it was my pride and joy, just beautiful - and smelly when wet. A friend had a stuffed yak brought back by her parents... I coverted it.
Well the raw meat bit is fairly correct.
I used to work in Iceland and also regularly in Greenland at a place called ilulissat. One of the specialities in Iceland is raw whale meat and smoked puffin. You have to be rather brave to be honest. There were also a few culinary items in Greenland that I felt I had to poke first just to ensure it was dead. On one occasion even then I still wasn't certain.
Witchetty grubs (Native Australian) are often eaten raw. And alive.
In regard to the men's kayak gold medal would someone be able clarify if this is considered a posh or a moderately working class sport on the widely acclaimed Tyson scale of sporting achievement?
Eskimos are a minority, so should pass any Guardianista test.
Well now you come to mention it.....
Innuit ear pulling olympics
ttp://youtu.be/onyHnECA5k8
Are we allowed to say Eskimo anymore? I thought Innuit was the PC term. Nose-kissing and igloos will always be Eskimo to me.
No not really apparently as Google tells me......
"Although the name "Eskimo" is commonly used in Alaska to refer to all Inuit and Yupik people of the world, this name is considered derogatory in many other places because it was given by non-Inuit people and was said to mean "eater of raw meat"
It can be applied to all of the Eskimo peoples in Canada and Greenland, that is not true in Alaska and Siberia. In Alaska the term 'Eskimo' is commonly used, because it includes both Yupik and Iñupiat.
I'd have thought *eater of raw meat* was entirely accurate myself. I always fancied a propah Eskimo coat as a kid. I did have a real Afghan - it was my pride and joy, just beautiful - and smelly when wet. A friend had a stuffed yak brought back by her parents... I coverted it.
Well the raw meat bit is fairly correct.
I used to work in Iceland and also regularly in Greenland at a place called ilulissat. One of the specialities in Iceland is raw whale meat and smoked puffin. You have to be rather brave to be honest. There were also a few culinary items in Greenland that I felt I had to poke first just to ensure it was dead. On one occasion even then I still wasn't certain.
Witchetty grubs (Native Australian) are often eaten raw. And alive.
On topic: Corbyn is a dangerous idiot who has already shown a willingness to toady to Iran and Russia whilst hand wringing about the USA and NATO. He is unfit to be Prime Minister. He is unfit to be Labour Leader. I will be voting for Smith with the full realisation that Corbyn is going to romp home. I'm coming to the conclusion that the best thing that can happen to Labour is an early election where we get obliterated electorally. Then we can regroup and decide what Labour in 21st century actually means. Oh, and adopt PR as a policy.
The Pollyannaish British diving commentators remind me of the cycling "experts" during the London road race who assured us that the British team were controlling the race from the back.
While I'm not sure how you'd sort it, that was one of at least three occasions where GB have tuned up to a world-level one day race and got their tactics painfully wrong.
Florence 2013 - 12 fairly big hills, team set up to deliver Cavendish for a sprint
The truth is that whatever the NATO treaty might say, a Russian attack on Estonia would NOT be an attack on British interests or security.
One of the first[1] things I said when UK voted LEAVE was "Well, that's the Balts fucked". One[2] thing that saddens me about LEAVE is the increaing isolationism of the UK: we are becoming a country that runs and hides and blames the victim for the fight. In deference to the LEAVE voters on here I need to point out that Brexit is more symptom than cause of this: it's been going on since at least Basra.
Given the recent increase in "let the Balts swing" sentiment, it wouldn't surprise me if UK did leave NATO, or refuse to pull its weight. Although it would sadden me further...
[1] I stayed up until Dimblebum brought the word from Mt Olympus, so it may have been the *actual* first thing I said, but don't quote me. [2] Other than the dying GBP, and the asinine insistence that staycations are better than going to Disneyland, and the lack of institutional memory...
Mr. Urquhart, whilst very good from a British medal perspective, these Games have been inferior to most recent ones. Green pool, dodgy disqualification decisions, a unique and unorthodox approach to judging the boxing, and quite a bit of crime (even discounting the fictional episode).
And that's before considering the tuppence ha'penny left over for the Paralympics.
The Pollyannaish British diving commentators remind me of the cycling "experts" during the London road race who assured us that the British team were controlling the race from the back.
While I'm not sure how you'd sort it, that was one of at least three occasions where GB have tuned up to a world-level one day race and got their tactics painfully wrong.
Florence 2013 - 12 fairly big hills, team set up to deliver Cavendish for a sprint
What tactics? When Cummings put the hammer down, Thomas and Froome were taking a whizz in the bushes and swapping bikes over.
Mr. Urquhart, whilst very good from a British medal perspective, these Games have been inferior to most recent ones. Green pool, dodgy disqualification decisions, a unique and unorthodox approach to judging the boxing, and quite a bit of crime (even discounting the fictional episode).
And that's before considering the tuppence ha'penny left over for the Paralympics.
"inferior" is one way of putting it...Omnishambles is still too kind.
Don't forget the DQ of our open water swimmer as well....
We have also have empty stadiums, ticket touting (for said empty stadiums), idiot spectators in the cycling, golf and triathlon, booing a silver medalist, a bmx track that they painted colours which meant the riders couldn't see the jumps, track cycling not having proper cameras...
4 x 400 men had their appealed rejected...video inconclusive....say the boxing athletic judges...
If the video is inconclusive surely they should be given the benefit of the doubt?
It appears to be like the cricket DRS...if inconclusive we go with the original judges decision...the whole thing stinks.
GB team probably asking around for footage as we speak; that's the problem with saying 'trust the judges' nowadays, everything gets filmed (even low level sport via phones) and they can be proved wrong pretty conclusively.
Mr. Urquhart, whilst very good from a British medal perspective, these Games have been inferior to most recent ones. Green pool, dodgy disqualification decisions, a unique and unorthodox approach to judging the boxing, and quite a bit of crime (even discounting the fictional episode).
And that's before considering the tuppence ha'penny left over for the Paralympics.
"inferior" is one way of putting it...Omnishambles is still too kind.
Don't forget the DQ of our open water swimmer as well....
We have also have empty stadiums, ticket touting (for said empty stadiums), idiot spectators in the cycling, golf and triathlon, booing a silver medalist, a bmx track that they painted colours which meant the riders couldn't see the jumps, track cycling not having proper cameras...
The triathlon is one deep en-route, I don't know what you mean...
Mr. Urquhart, whilst very good from a British medal perspective, these Games have been inferior to most recent ones. Green pool, dodgy disqualification decisions, a unique and unorthodox approach to judging the boxing, and quite a bit of crime (even discounting the fictional episode).
And that's before considering the tuppence ha'penny left over for the Paralympics.
"inferior" is one way of putting it...Omnishambles is still too kind.
Don't forget the DQ of our open water swimmer as well....
We have also have empty stadiums, ticket touting (for said empty stadiums), idiot spectators in the cycling, golf and triathlon, booing a silver medalist, a bmx track that they painted colours which meant the riders couldn't see the jumps, track cycling not having proper cameras...
The triathlon is one deep en-route, I don't know what you mean...
Sorry it wasn't triathlon, it was the open water swim....some tw@t jumped in the water and tried to swim up to them and had to be chased down by a jet ski.
The Pollyannaish British diving commentators remind me of the cycling "experts" during the London road race who assured us that the British team were controlling the race from the back.
While I'm not sure how you'd sort it, that was one of at least three occasions where GB have tuned up to a world-level one day race and got their tactics painfully wrong.
Florence 2013 - 12 fairly big hills, team set up to deliver Cavendish for a sprint
What tactics? When Cummings put the hammer down, Thomas and Froome were taking a whizz in the bushes and swapping bikes over.
They tried to run the race in a Team Sky manner without the depth. Plus, with two guys in the TT, they were never going to go into the red to get a team mate over the line. I know they rejected it, but having someone prepared to try to join the break might have been worth considering.
Florence - Cavendish was a waste of a spot for that course.
FWIW, Doha is at flat but windy/technical.
(Might have got tactics and strategy mixed up, not bothered if I have tbh. )
4 x 400 men had their appealed rejected...video inconclusive....say the boxing athletic judges...
If the video is inconclusive surely they should be given the benefit of the doubt?
It appears to be like the cricket DRS...if inconclusive we go with the original judges decision...the whole thing stinks.
GB team probably asking around for footage as we speak; that's the problem with saying 'trust the judges' nowadays, everything gets filmed (even low level sport via phones) and they can be proved wrong pretty conclusively.
The Pollyannaish British diving commentators remind me of the cycling "experts" during the London road race who assured us that the British team were controlling the race from the back.
While I'm not sure how you'd sort it, that was one of at least three occasions where GB have tuned up to a world-level one day race and got their tactics painfully wrong.
Florence 2013 - 12 fairly big hills, team set up to deliver Cavendish for a sprint
What tactics? When Cummings put the hammer down, Thomas and Froome were taking a whizz in the bushes and swapping bikes over.
They tried to run the race in a Team Sky manner without the depth. Plus, with two guys in the TT, they were never going to go into the red to get a team mate over the line. I know they rejected it, but having someone prepared to try to join the break might have been worth considering.
Florence - Cavendish was a waste of a spot for that course.
FWIW, Doha is at flat but windy/technical.
(Might have got tactics and strategy mixed up, not bothered if I have tbh. )
TBH, I think Froome and Thomas were buggered for the road race. Froome broke going up the steep hill, in a way you never imagine happening in the Tour de France a couple of weeks before. However, they didn't ride as a team.
Well he did say that he felt like Jesse Owens did in 1936, which equated Brazil to Nazi Germany.
You can see why they got pretty upset.
That was after the booing, no?
Not for the medal ceremony. I don't think they would have done for that otherwise. GIven how each side was booing each other at the hockey and such, I don't quite get the differences between sports on this.
The truth is that whatever the NATO treaty might say, a Russian attack on Estonia would NOT be an attack on British interests or security.
One of the first[1] things I said when UK voted LEAVE was "Well, that's the Balts fucked". One[2] thing that saddens me about LEAVE is the increaing isolationism of the UK: we are becoming a country that runs and hides and blames the victim for the fight. In deference to the LEAVE voters on here I need to point out that Brexit is more symptom than cause of this: it's been going on since at least Basra.
Given the recent increase in "let the Balts swing" sentiment, it wouldn't surprise me if UK did leave NATO, or refuse to pull its weight. Although it would sadden me further...
[1] I stayed up until Dimblebum brought the word from Mt Olympus, so it may have been the *actual* first thing I said, but don't quote me. [2] Other than the dying GBP, and the asinine insistence that staycations are better than going to Disneyland, and the lack of institutional memory...
Mr. Code, may I suggest an alternative viewpoint for you to consider?
The Balts being "fucked" has absolutely nothing to do with the vote to leave the EU. It is rather a factor of the european members of NATO, including the UK, to essentially disarm. If, and I think it's a big if, the Russians wanted to retake the Baltic States by force NATO could not stop them. Leave aside the geography of the situation NATO does not have the forces to win even if it wanted to.
The one thing that Corbyn has said that was sensible was that he would not guarantee to go to war with Russia if Russia did invade a Baltic state. Us leaving or staying in the EU is completely irrelevant to this issue.
On topic: Corbyn is a dangerous idiot who has already shown a willingness to toady to Iran and Russia whilst hand wringing about the USA and NATO. He is unfit to be Prime Minister. He is unfit to be Labour Leader. I will be voting for Smith with the full realisation that Corbyn is going to romp home. I'm coming to the conclusion that the best thing that can happen to Labour is an early election where we get obliterated electorally. Then we can regroup and decide what Labour in 21st century actually means. Oh, and adopt PR as a policy.
I can see much in the idea of a wipeout allowing Labour to regroup - but the unknown element is who would be left to do the regrouping...
Momentum won't disappear because of a major defeat - and will use their millions to continue to push their agenda. There will still be a major disconnect between the PLP and the membership.
I don't see a way out of this unless a new leadership has the balls to purge Momentum and their fellow travellers and to rebuild from the centre left. And is there a leader who can command that sort of authority? Given the 'big beasts' were beaten by Corbyn - they are not going to carry the party through a purge. Who else is there?
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But the whole campaign of Owen Smith is absurd and desperate at this point.
And, yes, it is clear that many Corbyn supporters are just that. They do not support the Labour party. This does explain an awful lot about the current contest.
http://www.skysports.com/tennis/news/12110/10542629/andy-murray-eases-into-quarter-finals-of-cincinnati-open
The Mauritian competitor, Fabienne St Louis, has been diagnosed with cancer and is undergoing treatment - still wanted to compete. Astonishing. Hope she completes the event.
https://twitter.com/sunny_hundal/status/765882186973245440
https://twitter.com/timothy_stanley/status/765861619637297152
https://twitter.com/afneil/status/765880741079244800
Corbyn supporters ?
I used to work in Iceland and also regularly in Greenland at a place called ilulissat. One of the specialities in Iceland is raw whale meat and smoked puffin. You have to be rather brave to be honest. There were also a few culinary items in Greenland that I felt I had to poke first just to ensure it was dead. On one occasion even then I still wasn't certain.
http://voxpoliticalonline.com/2016/08/20/vote-corbyn-by-post-or-email-but-keep-a-copypicture-the-skwawkbox-blog/
I well recall a steak that a colleague suggested a good vet could revive.
*White New Zealanders - literally settler in Maori.
http://europe.newsweek.com/donald-trumps-business-failures-election-2016-486091
EDIT my favourite giant Aussie moth
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TpcBsnifTRE
"And while Isis may not want to talk to us at the moment, we need to start building a channel to them, as we did with the IRA in 1972, so we can communicate. At some stage, we will need to negotiate with violent Islamic extremism, whether in this form or another one, if their ideas continue to have political support and we want to find a lasting solution to conflict in the region. They are unlikely to simply fade away."
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/oct/07/-sp-how-to-talk-to-terrorists-isis-al-qaida
Also should include appropriate personal racing attire namely white slacks, a ludicrously striped jacket and a straw boater ......
Sunil: "Got any Quorn?"
TSE: "If you want!" (He also takes a bottle of meat from the fridge).
Sunil: "Meat...? Ugh!"
TSE: "It's what Ian Rush drinks."
Sunil: "Ian Rush?"
TSE: "Yeah, an' he says if I don't drink lots of meat, when I grow up I'm only gonna be good enough to play for Accrington Stanley!"
Sunil: "Accrington Stanley? Who are they?"
TSE: "Exactly!"
Commentator reckons he can still make it into final
Also Crimbo day in summer
However, the government that does that will almost certainly have to keep that hushed up and probably back it up with real demonstrations of force. "We will talk, it's up to you to come to us, and we will kill you and your friends while you think it over".
The commentator remarked that that must be a deterrent against burglars.
With the OLK girls, if a burglar did come in, I presume only kicks to the ribs and head count...
Big enough to read on the flight down there and then to beat the killer nasties to death with.
Corbyn is a dangerous idiot who has already shown a willingness to toady to Iran and Russia whilst hand wringing about the USA and NATO.
He is unfit to be Prime Minister.
He is unfit to be Labour Leader.
I will be voting for Smith with the full realisation that Corbyn is going to romp home.
I'm coming to the conclusion that the best thing that can happen to Labour is an early election where we get obliterated electorally.
Then we can regroup and decide what Labour in 21st century actually means.
Oh, and adopt PR as a policy.
Florence 2013 - 12 fairly big hills, team set up to deliver Cavendish for a sprint
boxingathletic judges...Given the recent increase in "let the Balts swing" sentiment, it wouldn't surprise me if UK did leave NATO, or refuse to pull its weight. Although it would sadden me further...
[1] I stayed up until Dimblebum brought the word from Mt Olympus, so it may have been the *actual* first thing I said, but don't quote me.
[2] Other than the dying GBP, and the asinine insistence that staycations are better than going to Disneyland, and the lack of institutional memory...
And that's before considering the tuppence ha'penny left over for the Paralympics.
http://www.smh.com.au/sport/olympics/rio-2016/olympics-australia/what-went-wrong-for-australia-at-the-rio-olympics-it-started-on-the-top-floor-20160818-gqw5fl.html
No, everyone missed him.
Don't forget the DQ of our open water swimmer as well....
We have also have empty stadiums, ticket touting (for said empty stadiums), idiot spectators in the cycling, golf and triathlon, booing a silver medalist, a bmx track that they painted colours which meant the riders couldn't see the jumps, track cycling not having proper cameras...
Indeed, booing of that nature is not on.
Good strong fourth dive for @TomDaley1994 his score up to 261.85 now! Another 2 full rounds to go! #Rio2016 https://t.co/Ybyerl1m8G
Team GB
Mahama @Chotimetkd Cho is through to the next round! Beating #GAB 6-12!
Florence - Cavendish was a waste of a spot for that course.
FWIW, Doha is at flat but windy/technical.
(Might have got tactics and strategy mixed up, not bothered if I have tbh. )
What a fine sunny August day it is...
What was the alleged infringement?
You can see why they got pretty upset.
The Balts being "fucked" has absolutely nothing to do with the vote to leave the EU. It is rather a factor of the european members of NATO, including the UK, to essentially disarm. If, and I think it's a big if, the Russians wanted to retake the Baltic States by force NATO could not stop them. Leave aside the geography of the situation NATO does not have the forces to win even if it wanted to.
The one thing that Corbyn has said that was sensible was that he would not guarantee to go to war with Russia if Russia did invade a Baltic state. Us leaving or staying in the EU is completely irrelevant to this issue.
Momentum won't disappear because of a major defeat - and will use their millions to continue to push their agenda. There will still be a major disconnect between the PLP and the membership.
I don't see a way out of this unless a new leadership has the balls to purge Momentum and their fellow travellers and to rebuild from the centre left. And is there a leader who can command that sort of authority? Given the 'big beasts' were beaten by Corbyn - they are not going to carry the party through a purge. Who else is there?
no one is a winner there.