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    John_MJohn_M Posts: 7,503
    rcs1000 said:

    John_M said:

    OT. I was struck by the thought that no one born after September 1973 has ever experienced a UK cyclical recession in their adult lives. That's astonishing.

    Do you mean a recession, where no one else is having one?
    I think you'd have to go back further than that for a purely UK recession. The US led the way in the late 80s. We were just among the slowest to be affected.
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,300
    edited August 2016
    PlatoSaid said:

    New British women's high-jump record set in Heptathlon by Johnson-Thompson 1.98m

    Looked up the WR and it's been there since 1986! Set by a Bulgarian at 2.09m

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stefka_Kostadinova

    I kdon't think men's high junp had gone in donkeys years either. Nor long jump or triple jump.


    Where as swimming if you aren't on WR pace in most events you aren't in with a shot.
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    HurstLlamaHurstLlama Posts: 9,098
    malcolmg said:

    FPT: Mr. Llama, perhaps your son is heir to the iron throne?

    Recessive gene for Highland ancestry? Perhaps you have more in common with JackW or, perish the thought, MalcG than you realise!
    Although I once read..... I think in a book abouut escaping from the Nazi’s .... that in Poland Jews are likely to be red-haired. Personally I’ve never met a red-haired Jew. At least AFAIK.
    Hurst would be a lucky man if he had some similar blood to myself flowing through his viens , which I am sure he does have given his intelligence and fine tastes. He is a cut above the usual lout on here.
    Not me, Mr. G., I started to go grey at the age of 16 and the process was complete before I hit my mid-twenties.

    Mr. Cole's thought about Polish Jews might be nearer the mark. East End of London family, matriarchal side a couple of generations back from Eastern Europe by the the name Stein/Steiner (they seem not to have been able to make their mind up) and reputedly, according to family legend, anglicised to that from something unpronounceable in Shoreditch at the time.
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    CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    Speedy said:

    Charles said:

    RobD said:

    OT, but we are now on 6/6/6 medals... :naughty:

    Having followed your lead, I noticed that the IOC has banned Kuwait from the Olympics for "government interference in sport" but still thinks it's ok for Russia to participate
    Riiiiiight.

    "Government interference in sport"

    So is N.Korea not interfering in sport ?
    How about China ?

    They probably selected Kuwait from a lottery of small states that they can afford to ban.
    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-36605629
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    JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 39,123
    Speedy said:

    surbiton said:

    rcs1000 said:

    John_M said:

    OT. I was struck by the thought that no one born after September 1973 has ever experienced a UK cyclical recession in their adult lives. That's astonishing.

    Do you mean a recession, where no one else is having one?
    John M was probably in Mars in 2009/2010
    Talking of Mars, at the end of next month Elon Musk is due to give details of his planned BFR (Big Fu***ng Rocket) and MCT (Mars Colonial Transport) at the IAC meeting in Mexico.

    He wants to have a settlement of one million people on Mars. It may sound ridiculous, but this is Musk we're talking about ...

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mars_Colonial_Transporter
    Well Musk made his fortune by advertising his cars on Wall Street.
    But I doubt he is going to find suckers for this.
    Musk has made several fortunes, reinvesting one into the next:
    Zip2
    Paypal
    Then, Tesla

    He's aiming at a $500,000 price point for the Mars trip. Some people wold just go for the adventure, coming back later. The trick will be in making Mars liveable enough for people to want to live there (and to do so healthily). That last point is where the problem may lie, rather than the technology of getting there.
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    RobDRobD Posts: 59,015

    Farcical decision to end - or not - a farcical process. Can there be an appeal to the Supreme Court now or is the Appeal Court's ruling final.

    Appeal Court have refused leave to appeal. And awarded all costs to the complainants.
    I'd be a bit pissed off were I one of them. Isn't that effectively saying that there's no reasonable ground for reaching an alternative decision - even though the High Court did exactly that?
    I don't get it either.

    It effectively gives Labour (and any other group with rules along similar lines) the right to act in a capricious manner to gerrymander an election result - and the courts will refuse to intervene.

    Personally I would have thought the law of the land regarding contracts trumped anything in a party rule book. At least it should.

    Labour is not a company and so the relationship is not a consumer/supplier one. When you join a political party you are bound by its rulebook and the Labour rulebook states the NEC sets the rules. It's not as if freezes have not been applied in the past.

    I didn't say it was a company. But a contractual arrangement does exist between a party and the members (as was shown by the first judgement)

    And this freeze (and massive price increase) should have been judged as to whether it was 'reasonable' within the framework of the rules (which Labour forgot to mention at the time of the first case)

    And there is a strong case to be made that it was a clear attempt to manipulate the outcome of the election and was not reasonable - particularly in light of the votes for the Mayoral candidates which didn't have to be bought for £25 a go.

    It is wrong. Everyone knows it is wrong. But the Appeal Court have relied on one very narrow view of a very poorly written rule - and denied people what was a clearly given role in party democracy.

    Labour (and the lawyers) should be ashamed of themselves.

    Three CoA judges - all senior to the original judge - have ruled comprehensively that he was wrong. They know the law better than we do.

    Most likely, but they aren't infallible as both the lower court's decision shows and the need for a court above the appeals court.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,007

    Farcical decision to end - or not - a farcical process. Can there be an appeal to the Supreme Court now or is the Appeal Court's ruling final.

    Appeal Court have refused leave to appeal. And awarded all costs to the complainants.
    I'd be a bit pissed off were I one of them. Isn't that effectively saying that there's no reasonable ground for reaching an alternative decision - even though the High Court did exactly that?
    I don't get it either.

    It effectively gives Labour (and any other group with rules along similar lines) the right to act in a capricious manner to gerrymander an election result - and the courts will refuse to intervene.

    Personally I would have thought the law of the land regarding contracts trumped anything in a party rule book. At least it should.

    Labour is not a company and so the relationship is not a consumer/supplier one. When you join a political party you are bound by its rulebook and the Labour rulebook states the NEC sets the rules. It's not as if freezes have not been applied in the past.

    I didn't say it was a company. But a contractual arrangement does exist between a party and the members (as was shown by the first judgement)

    And this freeze (and massive price increase) should have been judged as to whether it was 'reasonable' within the framework of the rules (which Labour forgot to mention at the time of the first case)

    And there is a strong case to be made that it was a clear attempt to manipulate the outcome of the election and was not reasonable - particularly in light of the votes for the Mayoral candidates which didn't have to be bought for £25 a go.

    It is wrong. Everyone knows it is wrong. But the Appeal Court have relied on one very narrow view of a very poorly written rule - and denied people what was a clearly given role in party democracy.

    Labour (and the lawyers) should be ashamed of themselves.

    Three CoA judges - all senior to the original judge - have ruled comprehensively that he was wrong. They know the law better than we do.

    I guess you're disenfranchised again now ^^;
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    foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    houndtang said:

    I still have a £10 free bet to use on Betfair Sportsbook and about 10 days to use it. Any tips? Smith?

    Leicester City are evens to win away at Hull tommorow. We are reigning champions, evenly matched ManU at Wembley last Sunday until an unfortunate second ManU goal.

    Hull are newly promoted but can only field 9 fit senior players and some of those out of position. Their goalie hasn't played a competitive match for 6 months. They have no manager, no signings, a mad owner and fans in meltdown.

    Evens is great value, but Leicester -1 or -2 probably good value too.

    Get this for a tweeted squad photo by Hull:

    http://www.90min.com/posts/3569194-hull-city-s-curtis-davies-pokes-fun-at-his-own-club-with-brilliant-squad-photo?utm_medium=share&utm_source=fotmob
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    Wulfrun_PhilWulfrun_Phil Posts: 4,629
    kle4 said:

    This Labour contest process is just farcical.

    No, that's not a particularly fresh observation, but it bears repeating about every three seconds. I don't remember politics before the late 90s, but when was it ever this absurd?

    Just reflect on how much simpler matters are in parties which require a leader to step down when a leader loses a vote of confidence of MPs by a margin of 1%, let alone a margin of 60% (or thereabouts). The chaos in Labour is down to the choice of one man not to do so.
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    RobDRobD Posts: 59,015
    Erm, not so sure about Farage's mustache!
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    oxfordsimonoxfordsimon Posts: 5,831
    RobD said:

    Farcical decision to end - or not - a farcical process. Can there be an appeal to the Supreme Court now or is the Appeal Court's ruling final.

    Appeal Court have refused leave to appeal. And awarded all costs to the complainants.
    I'd be a bit pissed off were I one of them. Isn't that effectively saying that there's no reasonable ground for reaching an alternative decision - even though the High Court did exactly that?
    I don't get it either.

    It effectively gives Labour (and any other group with rules along similar lines) the right to act in a capricious manner to gerrymander an election result - and the courts will refuse to intervene.

    Personally I would have thought the law of the land regarding contracts trumped anything in a party rule book. At least it should.

    Labour is not a company and so the relationship is not a consumer/supplier one. When you join a political party you are bound by its rulebook and the Labour rulebook states the NEC sets the rules. It's not as if freezes have not been applied in the past.

    I didn't say it was a company. But a contractual arrangement does exist between a party and the members (as was shown by the first judgement)

    And this freeze (and massive price increase) should have been judged as to whether it was 'reasonable' within the framework of the rules (which Labour forgot to mention at the time of the first case)

    And there is a strong case to be made that it was a clear attempt to manipulate the outcome of the election and was not reasonable - particularly in light of the votes for the Mayoral candidates which didn't have to be bought for £25 a go.

    It is wrong. Everyone knows it is wrong. But the Appeal Court have relied on one very narrow view of a very poorly written rule - and denied people what was a clearly given role in party democracy.

    Labour (and the lawyers) should be ashamed of themselves.

    Three CoA judges - all senior to the original judge - have ruled comprehensively that he was wrong. They know the law better than we do.

    Most likely, but they aren't infallible as both the lower court's decision shows and the need for a court above the appeals court.
    And the the High Court didn't get to consider the Labour rule book on this matter - as the Labour lawyers didn't use it as part of their case. Which is massive incompetence.
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    PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383

    PlatoSaid said:

    New British women's high-jump record set in Heptathlon by Johnson-Thompson 1.98m

    Looked up the WR and it's been there since 1986! Set by a Bulgarian at 2.09m

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stefka_Kostadinova

    I kdon't think men's high junp had gone in donkeys years either. Nor long jump or triple jump.


    Where as swimming if you aren't on WR pace in most events you aren't in with a shot.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Men's_high_jump_world_record_progression

    1993 Spaniard. 2.45m

    1967 without altitude Men, 1988 Women https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long_jump_world_record_progression

    1985 men 1989 women https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long_jump_world_record_progression Jonathon Edwards still has it!
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    ThreeQuidderThreeQuidder Posts: 6,133

    Could be GB 1 & 2 in the heptathlon after 2 events.

    1 & 3, with Ennis-Hill 3rd...
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100

    TOPPING said:

    surbiton said:

    rcs1000 said:

    John_M said:

    OT. I was struck by the thought that no one born after September 1973 has ever experienced a UK cyclical recession in their adult lives. That's astonishing.

    Do you mean a recession, where no one else is having one?
    John M was probably in Mars in 2009/2010
    Talking of Mars, at the end of next month Elon Musk is due to give details of his planned BFR (Big Fu***ng Rocket) and MCT (Mars Colonial Transport) at the IAC meeting in Mexico.

    He wants to have a settlement of one million people on Mars. It may sound ridiculous, but this is Musk we're talking about ...

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mars_Colonial_Transporter
    We've got to go somewhere. Eventually.
    And Musk is going about it in a sane way: almost all his endeavours (SpaceX, Solar City, even Tesla), are associated with his Mars plans. This is no side-project; it is what it's all about.

    Why can't we get to Mars? Cost. So make it cheaper. Reuse rockets. Use less powerful but more reliable engines. Start small and build up. Finance through sales.

    Though there are potential snags on the way: they have yet to refly any of their landed first stages (though they might fly two later this year), and they've had trouble lifting enough mass to orbit to fulfil their ISS resupply contract.

    A big question is whether we can actually reproduce on the one-third gravity of Mars, and how the low gravity will affect development of children. As far as I'm aware, scientists have got no animal to reproduce in zero-G. Will the same be true for 1/3 G?
    That is actually Musk's business plan, find cool exotic science projects that can never work as advertised and find the suckers to give him the money for them.

    Expensive Electric cars at a time of cheap oil, ok you could persuade suckers to invest by promising a bright future when oil becomes extremely expensive.

    Rockets, ok you could persuade suckers to invest by promising government contracts.

    But Mars? Even if Musk has Hillary in his pocket it's beyond the level of the believable even for suckers.
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    PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383

    Could be GB 1 & 2 in the heptathlon after 2 events.

    1 & 3, with Ennis-Hill 3rd...
    JT is 7" taller! Also one of her two best events apparently.
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    JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 39,123
    Speedy said:

    TOPPING said:

    surbiton said:

    rcs1000 said:

    John_M said:

    OT. I was struck by the thought that no one born after September 1973 has ever experienced a UK cyclical recession in their adult lives. That's astonishing.

    Do you mean a recession, where no one else is having one?
    John M was probably in Mars in 2009/2010
    Talking of Mars, at the end of next month Elon Musk is due to give details of his planned BFR (Big Fu***ng Rocket) and MCT (Mars Colonial Transport) at the IAC meeting in Mexico.

    He wants to have a settlement of one million people on Mars. It may sound ridiculous, but this is Musk we're talking about ...

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mars_Colonial_Transporter
    We've got to go somewhere. Eventually.
    And Musk is going about it in a sane way: almost all his endeavours (SpaceX, Solar City, even Tesla), are associated with his Mars plans. This is no side-project; it is what it's all about.

    Why can't we get to Mars? Cost. So make it cheaper. Reuse rockets. Use less powerful but more reliable engines. Start small and build up. Finance through sales.

    Though there are potential snags on the way: they have yet to refly any of their landed first stages (though they might fly two later this year), and they've had trouble lifting enough mass to orbit to fulfil their ISS resupply contract.

    A big question is whether we can actually reproduce on the one-third gravity of Mars, and how the low gravity will affect development of children. As far as I'm aware, scientists have got no animal to reproduce in zero-G. Will the same be true for 1/3 G?
    That is actually Musk's business plan, find cool exotic science projects that can never work as advertised and find the suckers to give him the money for them.

    (Snip)
    I'm slightly cynical as well (especially about Hyperloop, which AFAIK Musk isn't directly investing in). But they have solid achievements in both cars and rocketry. In fact, especially rocketry.

    Although he has a rival from Bezos (of Amazon fame) and his Blue Origin space company. Although Bezos's sub-orbital rocket looks too much like a dildo for my liking. He won't just go to space; he's going to f**k space... ;)

    http://i.ndtvimg.com/i/2016-04/blue-origin-rocket-launch_650x400_81459638082.jpg
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    RobD said:

    Erm, not so sure about Farage's mustache!

    Is it a deliberate attempt to emulate all those who painted a Hitler mustache on pictures of him ?

    Or is it an effort to diguise himself from the public ?

    But I agree, it looks abnormal, probably because we have never seen him like that.
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    Moses_Moses_ Posts: 4,865
    Nasty. Should be thrown out as such attitudes are completely unacceptable

    "At the end of the fight the Egyptian Islam El Shehaby refused to shake the hand of Israeli competitor Or Sasson, in a major breach of judo etiquette. Judo players typically bow or shake hands at the beginning and end of a match, as a sign of respect in the Japanese martial art. When Sasson extended his hand, El Shehaby backed away, shaking his head. The Israeli then walked off in disgust. Prior to the fight, El Shahaby had come under pressure from Islamist-leaning and nationalist voices in Egypt to withdraw entirely.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3736257/Defeated-Egyptian-judoka-REFUSES-shake-hands-Israeli-rival-fans-pressured-not-shame-Islam-taking-part.html
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    RobDRobD Posts: 59,015
    Moses_ said:

    Nasty. Should be thrown out as such attitudes are completely unacceptable

    "At the end of the fight the Egyptian Islam El Shehaby refused to shake the hand of Israeli competitor Or Sasson, in a major breach of judo etiquette. Judo players typically bow or shake hands at the beginning and end of a match, as a sign of respect in the Japanese martial art. When Sasson extended his hand, El Shehaby backed away, shaking his head. The Israeli then walked off in disgust. Prior to the fight, El Shahaby had come under pressure from Islamist-leaning and nationalist voices in Egypt to withdraw entirely.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3736257/Defeated-Egyptian-judoka-REFUSES-shake-hands-Israeli-rival-fans-pressured-not-shame-Islam-taking-part.html

    Glad he lost... what a knob.
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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,960

    Organisers say only 58% of seats for the first day of athletics at Rio have been sold.

    There's more like 20% of seats occupied at the end of the morning session. They missed a stunning world record in the women's 10k and two althletes beating the heptathlon high jump Olympic record.
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    RobDRobD Posts: 59,015
    Sandpit said:

    Organisers say only 58% of seats for the first day of athletics at Rio have been sold.

    There's more like 20% of seats occupied at the end of the morning session. They missed a stunning world record in the women's 10k and two althletes beating the heptathlon high jump Olympic record.
    I agree with SeanT's previous comment. If they can't sell them they should be giving them away....
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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,960

    Speedy said:

    surbiton said:

    rcs1000 said:

    John_M said:

    OT. I was struck by the thought that no one born after September 1973 has ever experienced a UK cyclical recession in their adult lives. That's astonishing.

    Do you mean a recession, where no one else is having one?
    John M was probably in Mars in 2009/2010
    Talking of Mars, at the end of next month Elon Musk is due to give details of his planned BFR (Big Fu***ng Rocket) and MCT (Mars Colonial Transport) at the IAC meeting in Mexico.

    He wants to have a settlement of one million people on Mars. It may sound ridiculous, but this is Musk we're talking about ...

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mars_Colonial_Transporter
    Well Musk made his fortune by advertising his cars on Wall Street.
    But I doubt he is going to find suckers for this.
    Musk has made several fortunes, reinvesting one into the next:
    Zip2
    Paypal
    Then, Tesla

    He's aiming at a $500,000 price point for the Mars trip. Some people wold just go for the adventure, coming back later. The trick will be in making Mars liveable enough for people to want to live there (and to do so healthily). That last point is where the problem may lie, rather than the technology of getting there.
    Putting a man on Mars is relatively easy. Getting him back to Earth is the difficult bit.
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100

    Speedy said:

    TOPPING said:

    surbiton said:

    rcs1000 said:

    John_M said:

    OT. I was struck by the thought that no one born after September 1973 has ever experienced a UK cyclical recession in their adult lives. That's astonishing.

    Do you mean a recession, where no one else is having one?
    John M was probably in Mars in 2009/2010
    Talking of Mars, at the end of next month Elon Musk is due to give details of his planned BFR (Big Fu***ng Rocket) and MCT (Mars Colonial Transport) at the IAC meeting in Mexico.

    He wants to have a settlement of one million people on Mars. It may sound ridiculous, but this is Musk we're talking about ...

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mars_Colonial_Transporter
    We've got to go somewhere. Eventually.
    And Musk is going about it in a sane way: almost all his endeavours (SpaceX, Solar City, even Tesla), are associated with his Mars plans. This is no side-project; it is what it's all about.

    Why can't we get to Mars? Cost. So make it cheaper. Reuse rockets. Use less powerful but more reliable engines. Start small and build up. Finance through sales.

    Though there are potential snags on the way: they have yet to refly any of their landed first stages (though they might fly two later this year), and they've had trouble lifting enough mass to orbit to fulfil their ISS resupply contract.

    A big question is whether we can actually reproduce on the one-third gravity of Mars, and how the low gravity will affect development of children. As far as I'm aware, scientists have got no animal to reproduce in zero-G. Will the same be true for 1/3 G?
    That is actually Musk's business plan, find cool exotic science projects that can never work as advertised and find the suckers to give him the money for them.

    (Snip)
    I'm slightly cynical as well (especially about Hyperloop, which AFAIK Musk isn't directly investing in). But they have solid achievements in both cars and rocketry. In fact, especially rocketry.

    Although he has a rival from Bezos (of Amazon fame) and his Blue Origin space company. Although Bezos's sub-orbital rocket looks too much like a dildo for my liking. He won't just go to space; he's going to f**k space... ;)

    http://i.ndtvimg.com/i/2016-04/blue-origin-rocket-launch_650x400_81459638082.jpg
    Billionaires and Kim Jong Un playing with rockets.
    Boys with toys.

    Also I'm surprised that Bezos bought the Washington Post, I thought he didn't need political protection.
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    DecrepitJohnLDecrepitJohnL Posts: 13,300
    Speedy said:

    TOPPING said:

    surbiton said:

    rcs1000 said:

    John_M said:

    OT. I was struck by the thought that no one born after September 1973 has ever experienced a UK cyclical recession in their adult lives. That's astonishing.

    Do you mean a recession, where no one else is having one?
    John M was probably in Mars in 2009/2010
    Talking of Mars, at the end of next month Elon Musk is due to give details of his planned BFR (Big Fu***ng Rocket) and MCT (Mars Colonial Transport) at the IAC meeting in Mexico.

    He wants to have a settlement of one million people on Mars. It may sound ridiculous, but this is Musk we're talking about ...

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mars_Colonial_Transporter
    We've got to go somewhere. Eventually.
    And Musk is going about it in a sane way: almost all his endeavours (SpaceX, Solar City, even Tesla), are associated with his Mars plans. This is no side-project; it is what it's all about.

    Why can't we get to Mars? Cost. So make it cheaper. Reuse rockets. Use less powerful but more reliable engines. Start small and build up. Finance through sales.

    Though there are potential snags on the way: they have yet to refly any of their landed first stages (though they might fly two later this year), and they've had trouble lifting enough mass to orbit to fulfil their ISS resupply contract.

    A big question is whether we can actually reproduce on the one-third gravity of Mars, and how the low gravity will affect development of children. As far as I'm aware, scientists have got no animal to reproduce in zero-G. Will the same be true for 1/3 G?
    That is actually Musk's business plan, find cool exotic science projects that can never work as advertised and find the suckers to give him the money for them.

    Expensive Electric cars at a time of cheap oil, ok you could persuade suckers to invest by promising a bright future when oil becomes extremely expensive.

    Rockets, ok you could persuade suckers to invest by promising government contracts.

    But Mars? Even if Musk has Hillary in his pocket it's beyond the level of the believable even for suckers.
    Musk also gets some fair subsidies from the American tax-payer. The US government is more ready than ours to support its industries.
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    PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383
    Moses_ said:

    Nasty. Should be thrown out as such attitudes are completely unacceptable

    "At the end of the fight the Egyptian Islam El Shehaby refused to shake the hand of Israeli competitor Or Sasson, in a major breach of judo etiquette. Judo players typically bow or shake hands at the beginning and end of a match, as a sign of respect in the Japanese martial art. When Sasson extended his hand, El Shehaby backed away, shaking his head. The Israeli then walked off in disgust. Prior to the fight, El Shahaby had come under pressure from Islamist-leaning and nationalist voices in Egypt to withdraw entirely.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3736257/Defeated-Egyptian-judoka-REFUSES-shake-hands-Israeli-rival-fans-pressured-not-shame-Islam-taking-part.html

    The Lebanese have been dickheads too.
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    SimonStClareSimonStClare Posts: 7,976
    Arf - Gold Medal performance by the Chinese synchronised diving pair.

    http://prostheticknowledge.tumblr.com/post/148753478056/synchronized-solo-diving-the-best-olympics-related
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    JackWJackW Posts: 14,787
    Truly horrible swing state polls for Trump from Marist. Little wonder main GOP donors are pushing their cash into down ballot races :

    http://www.politico.com/blogs/swing-states-2016-election/2016/08/poll-clinton-trump-colorado-north-carolina-virginia-226955
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    PongPong Posts: 4,693
    edited August 2016

    houndtang said:

    I still have a £10 free bet to use on Betfair Sportsbook and about 10 days to use it. Any tips? Smith?

    Leicester City are evens to win away at Hull tommorow. We are reigning champions, evenly matched ManU at Wembley last Sunday until an unfortunate second ManU goal.

    Hull are newly promoted but can only field 9 fit senior players and some of those out of position. Their goalie hasn't played a competitive match for 6 months. They have no manager, no signings, a mad owner and fans in meltdown.

    Evens is great value, but Leicester -1 or -2 probably good value too.

    Get this for a tweeted squad photo by Hull:

    http://www.90min.com/posts/3569194-hull-city-s-curtis-davies-pokes-fun-at-his-own-club-with-brilliant-squad-photo?utm_medium=share&utm_source=fotmob
    I'm guessing the stake isn't returned if the free bet wins, so in value terms the longer the odds, the better.
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    PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383
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    RobDRobD Posts: 59,015
    Very good :D
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    Moses_Moses_ Posts: 4,865
    PlatoSaid said:

    Moses_ said:

    Nasty. Should be thrown out as such attitudes are completely unacceptable

    "At the end of the fight the Egyptian Islam El Shehaby refused to shake the hand of Israeli competitor Or Sasson, in a major breach of judo etiquette. Judo players typically bow or shake hands at the beginning and end of a match, as a sign of respect in the Japanese martial art. When Sasson extended his hand, El Shehaby backed away, shaking his head. The Israeli then walked off in disgust. Prior to the fight, El Shahaby had come under pressure from Islamist-leaning and nationalist voices in Egypt to withdraw entirely.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3736257/Defeated-Egyptian-judoka-REFUSES-shake-hands-Israeli-rival-fans-pressured-not-shame-Islam-taking-part.html

    The Lebanese have been dickheads too.
    Good point made in the comments. Had the competitor been black there would have been outrage and the OIC would have been all over it. However when it's this scenario not a peep.

    Agree glad he's out.
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    MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 37,633
    Sandpit said:

    Organisers say only 58% of seats for the first day of athletics at Rio have been sold.

    There's more like 20% of seats occupied at the end of the morning session. They missed a stunning world record in the women's 10k and two althletes beating the heptathlon high jump Olympic record.
    I wonder how long that new WR will be valid...
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    edited August 2016
    Sandpit said:

    Speedy said:

    surbiton said:

    rcs1000 said:

    John_M said:

    OT. I was struck by the thought that no one born after September 1973 has ever experienced a UK cyclical recession in their adult lives. That's astonishing.

    Do you mean a recession, where no one else is having one?
    John M was probably in Mars in 2009/2010
    Talking of Mars, at the end of next month Elon Musk is due to give details of his planned BFR (Big Fu***ng Rocket) and MCT (Mars Colonial Transport) at the IAC meeting in Mexico.

    He wants to have a settlement of one million people on Mars. It may sound ridiculous, but this is Musk we're talking about ...

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mars_Colonial_Transporter
    Well Musk made his fortune by advertising his cars on Wall Street.
    But I doubt he is going to find suckers for this.
    Musk has made several fortunes, reinvesting one into the next:
    Zip2
    Paypal
    Then, Tesla

    He's aiming at a $500,000 price point for the Mars trip. Some people wold just go for the adventure, coming back later. The trick will be in making Mars liveable enough for people to want to live there (and to do so healthily). That last point is where the problem may lie, rather than the technology of getting there.
    Putting a man on Mars is relatively easy. Getting him back to Earth is the difficult bit.
    I don't know, the cost of the Apollo Program was 24$ billion 1969 dollars.

    Mars is many times the distance of the Moon.

    The cost of maintaining a space colony in either the Moon or Mars would make business sence only if they find large gold deposits.

    The science is there, but it would never make a profit, only giant loses.
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    John_MJohn_M Posts: 7,503
    Speedy said:

    Sandpit said:

    Speedy said:

    surbiton said:

    rcs1000 said:

    John_M said:

    OT. I was struck by the thought that no one born after September 1973 has ever experienced a UK cyclical recession in their adult lives. That's astonishing.

    Do you mean a recession, where no one else is having one?
    John M was probably in Mars in 2009/2010
    Talking of Mars, at the end of next month Elon Musk is due to give details of his planned BFR (Big Fu***ng Rocket) and MCT (Mars Colonial Transport) at the IAC meeting in Mexico.

    He wants to have a settlement of one million people on Mars. It may sound ridiculous, but this is Musk we're talking about ...

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mars_Colonial_Transporter
    Well Musk made his fortune by advertising his cars on Wall Street.
    But I doubt he is going to find suckers for this.
    Musk has made several fortunes, reinvesting one into the next:
    Zip2
    Paypal
    Then, Tesla

    He's aiming at a $500,000 price point for the Mars trip. Some people wold just go for the adventure, coming back later. The trick will be in making Mars liveable enough for people to want to live there (and to do so healthily). That last point is where the problem may lie, rather than the technology of getting there.
    Putting a man on Mars is relatively easy. Getting him back to Earth is the difficult bit.
    I don't know, the cost of the Apollo Program was 24$ billion 1969 dollars.

    Mars is many times the distance of the Moon.

    The cost of maintaining a space colony in either the Moon or Mars would make business sence only if they find large gold deposits.
    Gold is nowhere near valuable enough. Tritium-3 perhaps.
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    RobDRobD Posts: 59,015
    Speedy said:

    Sandpit said:

    Speedy said:

    surbiton said:

    rcs1000 said:

    John_M said:

    OT. I was struck by the thought that no one born after September 1973 has ever experienced a UK cyclical recession in their adult lives. That's astonishing.

    Do you mean a recession, where no one else is having one?
    John M was probably in Mars in 2009/2010
    Talking of Mars, at the end of next month Elon Musk is due to give details of his planned BFR (Big Fu***ng Rocket) and MCT (Mars Colonial Transport) at the IAC meeting in Mexico.

    He wants to have a settlement of one million people on Mars. It may sound ridiculous, but this is Musk we're talking about ...

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mars_Colonial_Transporter
    Well Musk made his fortune by advertising his cars on Wall Street.
    But I doubt he is going to find suckers for this.
    Musk has made several fortunes, reinvesting one into the next:
    Zip2
    Paypal
    Then, Tesla

    He's aiming at a $500,000 price point for the Mars trip. Some people wold just go for the adventure, coming back later. The trick will be in making Mars liveable enough for people to want to live there (and to do so healthily). That last point is where the problem may lie, rather than the technology of getting there.
    Putting a man on Mars is relatively easy. Getting him back to Earth is the difficult bit.
    I don't know, the cost of the Apollo Program was 24$ billion 1969 dollars.

    Mars is many times the distance of the Moon.

    The cost of maintaining a space colony in either the Moon or Mars would make business sence only if they find large gold deposits.
    Aren't there helium/hydrogen deposits which may be useful for rocket fuel, so there would be some benefit as a refueling station (doesn't sound particularly viable). I may be talking out my arse though, and not the Jack kind....
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    PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383
    MaxPB said:

    Sandpit said:

    Organisers say only 58% of seats for the first day of athletics at Rio have been sold.

    There's more like 20% of seats occupied at the end of the morning session. They missed a stunning world record in the women's 10k and two althletes beating the heptathlon high jump Olympic record.
    I wonder how long that new WR will be valid...
    Another Ethiopian was done earlier this year for EPO. I hope she isn't one - she didn't even appear puffed out at the end.
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    MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 37,633
    The other interesting thing is that 1.98m would be good enough for Bronze in the standalone high jump now that the doping Russians have been banned. I hope KJT has been put forwards for it by the management.
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    RobDRobD Posts: 59,015
    John_M said:

    Speedy said:

    Sandpit said:

    Speedy said:

    surbiton said:

    rcs1000 said:

    John_M said:

    OT. I was struck by the thought that no one born after September 1973 has ever experienced a UK cyclical recession in their adult lives. That's astonishing.

    Do you mean a recession, where no one else is having one?
    John M was probably in Mars in 2009/2010
    Talking of Mars, at the end of next month Elon Musk is due to give details of his planned BFR (Big Fu***ng Rocket) and MCT (Mars Colonial Transport) at the IAC meeting in Mexico.

    He wants to have a settlement of one million people on Mars. It may sound ridiculous, but this is Musk we're talking about ...

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mars_Colonial_Transporter
    Well Musk made his fortune by advertising his cars on Wall Street.
    But I doubt he is going to find suckers for this.
    Musk has made several fortunes, reinvesting one into the next:
    Zip2
    Paypal
    Then, Tesla

    He's aiming at a $500,000 price point for the Mars trip. Some people wold just go for the adventure, coming back later. The trick will be in making Mars liveable enough for people to want to live there (and to do so healthily). That last point is where the problem may lie, rather than the technology of getting there.
    Putting a man on Mars is relatively easy. Getting him back to Earth is the difficult bit.
    I don't know, the cost of the Apollo Program was 24$ billion 1969 dollars.

    Mars is many times the distance of the Moon.

    The cost of maintaining a space colony in either the Moon or Mars would make business sence only if they find large gold deposits.
    Gold is nowhere near valuable enough. Tritium-3 perhaps.
    Is there such a thing, or is it hydrogen-3?
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    PongPong Posts: 4,693
    edited August 2016
    Speedy said:

    Sandpit said:

    Speedy said:

    surbiton said:

    rcs1000 said:

    John_M said:

    OT. I was struck by the thought that no one born after September 1973 has ever experienced a UK cyclical recession in their adult lives. That's astonishing.

    Do you mean a recession, where no one else is having one?
    John M was probably in Mars in 2009/2010
    Talking of Mars, at the end of next month Elon Musk is due to give details of his planned BFR (Big Fu***ng Rocket) and MCT (Mars Colonial Transport) at the IAC meeting in Mexico.

    He wants to have a settlement of one million people on Mars. It may sound ridiculous, but this is Musk we're talking about ...

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mars_Colonial_Transporter
    Well Musk made his fortune by advertising his cars on Wall Street.
    But I doubt he is going to find suckers for this.
    Musk has made several fortunes, reinvesting one into the next:
    Zip2
    Paypal
    Then, Tesla

    He's aiming at a $500,000 price point for the Mars trip. Some people wold just go for the adventure, coming back later. The trick will be in making Mars liveable enough for people to want to live there (and to do so healthily). That last point is where the problem may lie, rather than the technology of getting there.
    Putting a man on Mars is relatively easy. Getting him back to Earth is the difficult bit.
    I don't know, the cost of the Apollo Program was 24$ billion 1969 dollars.

    Mars is many times the distance of the Moon.

    The cost of maintaining a space colony in either the Moon or Mars would make business sence only if they find large gold deposits.

    The science is there, but it would never make a profit, only giant loses.
    Surely the price of gold would plummet if it became potentially abundant?
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    MarkHopkinsMarkHopkins Posts: 5,584
    Pong said:

    Speedy said:

    Sandpit said:

    Speedy said:

    surbiton said:

    rcs1000 said:

    John_M said:

    OT. I was struck by the thought that no one born after September 1973 has ever experienced a UK cyclical recession in their adult lives. That's astonishing.

    Do you mean a recession, where no one else is having one?
    John M was probably in Mars in 2009/2010
    Talking of Mars, at the end of next month Elon Musk is due to give details of his planned BFR (Big Fu***ng Rocket) and MCT (Mars Colonial Transport) at the IAC meeting in Mexico.

    He wants to have a settlement of one million people on Mars. It may sound ridiculous, but this is Musk we're talking about ...

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mars_Colonial_Transporter
    Well Musk made his fortune by advertising his cars on Wall Street.
    But I doubt he is going to find suckers for this.
    Musk has made several fortunes, reinvesting one into the next:
    Zip2
    Paypal
    Then, Tesla

    He's aiming at a $500,000 price point for the Mars trip. Some people wold just go for the adventure, coming back later. The trick will be in making Mars liveable enough for people to want to live there (and to do so healthily). That last point is where the problem may lie, rather than the technology of getting there.
    Putting a man on Mars is relatively easy. Getting him back to Earth is the difficult bit.
    I don't know, the cost of the Apollo Program was 24$ billion 1969 dollars.

    Mars is many times the distance of the Moon.

    The cost of maintaining a space colony in either the Moon or Mars would make business sence only if they find large gold deposits.

    The science is there, but it would never make a profit, only giant loses.
    Surely the price of gold would plummet if it became potentially abundant?

    Not if you had to get it from Mars.

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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    JackW said:

    Truly horrible swing state polls for Trump from Marist. Little wonder main GOP donors are pushing their cash into down ballot races :

    http://www.politico.com/blogs/swing-states-2016-election/2016/08/poll-clinton-trump-colorado-north-carolina-virginia-226955

    Marist, so it goes to the bin, along side Fox, Rassmusen and Reuters.

    Since Trump has no campaign (almost no staff and no ads), it probably would not make any difference if no one did give him money.

    Hillary needs 100$ million a month, Trump probably 10$ million, he is so Scrooge he is being outspent by the Green Party.
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    MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 37,633
    John_M said:

    Speedy said:

    Sandpit said:

    Speedy said:

    surbiton said:

    rcs1000 said:

    John_M said:

    OT. I was struck by the thought that no one born after September 1973 has ever experienced a UK cyclical recession in their adult lives. That's astonishing.

    Do you mean a recession, where no one else is having one?
    John M was probably in Mars in 2009/2010
    Talking of Mars, at the end of next month Elon Musk is due to give details of his planned BFR (Big Fu***ng Rocket) and MCT (Mars Colonial Transport) at the IAC meeting in Mexico.

    He wants to have a settlement of one million people on Mars. It may sound ridiculous, but this is Musk we're talking about ...

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mars_Colonial_Transporter
    Well Musk made his fortune by advertising his cars on Wall Street.
    But I doubt he is going to find suckers for this.
    Musk has made several fortunes, reinvesting one into the next:
    Zip2
    Paypal
    Then, Tesla

    He's aiming at a $500,000 price point for the Mars trip. Some people wold just go for the adventure, coming back later. The trick will be in making Mars liveable enough for people to want to live there (and to do so healthily). That last point is where the problem may lie, rather than the technology of getting there.
    Putting a man on Mars is relatively easy. Getting him back to Earth is the difficult bit.
    I don't know, the cost of the Apollo Program was 24$ billion 1969 dollars.

    Mars is many times the distance of the Moon.

    The cost of maintaining a space colony in either the Moon or Mars would make business sence only if they find large gold deposits.
    Gold is nowhere near valuable enough. Tritium-3 perhaps.
    A cool million bucks per troy ounce!
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 92,079
    MaxPB said:

    The other interesting thing is that 1.98m would be good enough for Bronze in the standalone high jump now that the doping Russians have been banned. I hope KJT has been put forwards for it by the management.

    I seem to recall Ennis' hurdles times at their best have been good enough for potential medals, but I guess doing both is deemed too much.
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    RobDRobD Posts: 59,015
    Pong said:

    Speedy said:

    Sandpit said:

    Speedy said:

    surbiton said:

    rcs1000 said:

    John_M said:

    OT. I was struck by the thought that no one born after September 1973 has ever experienced a UK cyclical recession in their adult lives. That's astonishing.

    Do you mean a recession, where no one else is having one?
    John M was probably in Mars in 2009/2010
    Talking of Mars, at the end of next month Elon Musk is due to give details of his planned BFR (Big Fu***ng Rocket) and MCT (Mars Colonial Transport) at the IAC meeting in Mexico.

    He wants to have a settlement of one million people on Mars. It may sound ridiculous, but this is Musk we're talking about ...

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mars_Colonial_Transporter
    Well Musk made his fortune by advertising his cars on Wall Street.
    But I doubt he is going to find suckers for this.
    Musk has made several fortunes, reinvesting one into the next:
    Zip2
    Paypal
    Then, Tesla

    He's aiming at a $500,000 price point for the Mars trip. Some people wold just go for the adventure, coming back later. The trick will be in making Mars liveable enough for people to want to live there (and to do so healthily). That last point is where the problem may lie, rather than the technology of getting there.
    Putting a man on Mars is relatively easy. Getting him back to Earth is the difficult bit.
    I don't know, the cost of the Apollo Program was 24$ billion 1969 dollars.

    Mars is many times the distance of the Moon.

    The cost of maintaining a space colony in either the Moon or Mars would make business sence only if they find large gold deposits.

    The science is there, but it would never make a profit, only giant loses.
    Surely the price of gold would plummet if it became potentially abundant?
    They could pull a DeBeers, although that would require control of gold here on Earth too ;)
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    RobDRobD Posts: 59,015
    MaxPB said:

    John_M said:

    Speedy said:

    Sandpit said:

    Speedy said:

    surbiton said:

    rcs1000 said:

    John_M said:

    OT. I was struck by the thought that no one born after September 1973 has ever experienced a UK cyclical recession in their adult lives. That's astonishing.

    Do you mean a recession, where no one else is having one?
    John M was probably in Mars in 2009/2010
    Talking of Mars, at the end of next month Elon Musk is due to give details of his planned BFR (Big Fu***ng Rocket) and MCT (Mars Colonial Transport) at the IAC meeting in Mexico.

    He wants to have a settlement of one million people on Mars. It may sound ridiculous, but this is Musk we're talking about ...

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mars_Colonial_Transporter
    Well Musk made his fortune by advertising his cars on Wall Street.
    But I doubt he is going to find suckers for this.
    Musk has made several fortunes, reinvesting one into the next:
    Zip2
    Paypal
    Then, Tesla

    He's aiming at a $500,000 price point for the Mars trip. Some people wold just go for the adventure, coming back later. The trick will be in making Mars liveable enough for people to want to live there (and to do so healthily). That last point is where the problem may lie, rather than the technology of getting there.
    Putting a man on Mars is relatively easy. Getting him back to Earth is the difficult bit.
    I don't know, the cost of the Apollo Program was 24$ billion 1969 dollars.

    Mars is many times the distance of the Moon.

    The cost of maintaining a space colony in either the Moon or Mars would make business sence only if they find large gold deposits.
    Gold is nowhere near valuable enough. Tritium-3 perhaps.
    A cool million bucks per troy ounce!
    Luckily worldwide commercial demand is only 400g per year!
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    CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    Sandpit said:

    Speedy said:

    surbiton said:

    rcs1000 said:

    John_M said:

    OT. I was struck by the thought that no one born after September 1973 has ever experienced a UK cyclical recession in their adult lives. That's astonishing.

    Do you mean a recession, where no one else is having one?
    John M was probably in Mars in 2009/2010
    Talking of Mars, at the end of next month Elon Musk is due to give details of his planned BFR (Big Fu***ng Rocket) and MCT (Mars Colonial Transport) at the IAC meeting in Mexico.

    He wants to have a settlement of one million people on Mars. It may sound ridiculous, but this is Musk we're talking about ...

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mars_Colonial_Transporter
    Well Musk made his fortune by advertising his cars on Wall Street.
    But I doubt he is going to find suckers for this.
    Musk has made several fortunes, reinvesting one into the next:
    Zip2
    Paypal
    Then, Tesla

    He's aiming at a $500,000 price point for the Mars trip. Some people wold just go for the adventure, coming back later. The trick will be in making Mars liveable enough for people to want to live there (and to do so healthily). That last point is where the problem may lie, rather than the technology of getting there.
    Putting a man on Mars is relatively easy. Getting him back to Earth is the difficult bit.
    Nah. They made a movie about it. It must be easy ;)
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    MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 37,633
    Pong said:

    Speedy said:

    Sandpit said:

    Speedy said:

    surbiton said:

    rcs1000 said:

    John_M said:

    OT. I was struck by the thought that no one born after September 1973 has ever experienced a UK cyclical recession in their adult lives. That's astonishing.

    Do you mean a recession, where no one else is having one?
    John M was probably in Mars in 2009/2010
    Talking of Mars, at the end of next month Elon Musk is due to give details of his planned BFR (Big Fu***ng Rocket) and MCT (Mars Colonial Transport) at the IAC meeting in Mexico.

    He wants to have a settlement of one million people on Mars. It may sound ridiculous, but this is Musk we're talking about ...

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mars_Colonial_Transporter
    Well Musk made his fortune by advertising his cars on Wall Street.
    But I doubt he is going to find suckers for this.
    Musk has made several fortunes, reinvesting one into the next:
    Zip2
    Paypal
    Then, Tesla

    He's aiming at a $500,000 price point for the Mars trip. Some people wold just go for the adventure, coming back later. The trick will be in making Mars liveable enough for people to want to live there (and to do so healthily). That last point is where the problem may lie, rather than the technology of getting there.
    Putting a man on Mars is relatively easy. Getting him back to Earth is the difficult bit.
    I don't know, the cost of the Apollo Program was 24$ billion 1969 dollars.

    Mars is many times the distance of the Moon.

    The cost of maintaining a space colony in either the Moon or Mars would make business sence only if they find large gold deposits.

    The science is there, but it would never make a profit, only giant loses.
    Surely the price of gold would plummet if it became potentially abundant?
    Martian shipments may require a high gold price to be viable. A very high price, in fact.
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,014
    Hmm. Mining asteroids could have an economic and viability impact on any Martian settlement.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,007
    Brendan Foster, Olympic 10,000m bronze medallist and BBC athletics commentator

    "You see things pushed along sometimes - you think of Bob Beamon in the long jump - but I'm not sure what to make of that to be honest. I will be interested to hear what Ayana has to say afterwards."

    An amazing performance, Ayana really showed her stuff.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SDCGSsOaLDA
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    PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383
    More than 25,000 migrants, mainly from Nigeria and Ethiopia, arrived in Italy in July

    https://t.co/vMFkLHsef7
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    MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 37,633
    Pulpstar said:

    Brendan Foster, Olympic 10,000m bronze medallist and BBC athletics commentator

    "You see things pushed along sometimes - you think of Bob Beamon in the long jump - but I'm not sure what to make of that to be honest. I will be interested to hear what Ayana has to say afterwards."

    An amazing performance, Ayana really showed her stuff.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SDCGSsOaLDA

    I'll say this, watch the medal ceremony and ask yourself if she looks like someone who knows that this might not stick. Didn't look happy at all.
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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,960
    RobD said:

    Sandpit said:

    Organisers say only 58% of seats for the first day of athletics at Rio have been sold.

    There's more like 20% of seats occupied at the end of the morning session. They missed a stunning world record in the women's 10k and two althletes beating the heptathlon high jump Olympic record.
    I agree with SeanT's previous comment. If they can't sell them they should be giving them away....
    Absolutely. In London they had military and school kids on standby to fill seats after bad headlines on the first couple of days. Shocking that they've not sold out the Athletics though.
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    PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383
    MaxPB said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Brendan Foster, Olympic 10,000m bronze medallist and BBC athletics commentator

    "You see things pushed along sometimes - you think of Bob Beamon in the long jump - but I'm not sure what to make of that to be honest. I will be interested to hear what Ayana has to say afterwards."

    An amazing performance, Ayana really showed her stuff.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SDCGSsOaLDA

    I'll say this, watch the medal ceremony and ask yourself if she looks like someone who knows that this might not stick. Didn't look happy at all.
    Thought so too - very subdued.
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100

    Hmm. Mining asteroids could have an economic and viability impact on any Martian settlement.

    I think the best option is indeed robotic mining of asteroids, however there is a problem.

    Do we know if actually the Moon, Mars and the Asteroids have any precious metals able to be mined ?

    A detailed geological and mineralogy survey is needed first.
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    JackWJackW Posts: 14,787
    Speedy said:

    JackW said:

    Truly horrible swing state polls for Trump from Marist. Little wonder main GOP donors are pushing their cash into down ballot races :

    http://www.politico.com/blogs/swing-states-2016-election/2016/08/poll-clinton-trump-colorado-north-carolina-virginia-226955

    Marist, so it goes to the bin, along side Fox, Rassmusen and Reuters.

    Since Trump has no campaign (almost no staff and no ads), it probably would not make any difference if no one did give him money.

    Hillary needs 100$ million a month, Trump probably 10$ million, he is so Scrooge he is being outspent by the Green Party.
    Marist are rated "A" by 538 with a 88% correct races called ratio over 146 polls. If it's good enough for Nate then I'm not quibbling.
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    John_MJohn_M Posts: 7,503
    RobD said:

    John_M said:

    Speedy said:

    Sandpit said:

    Speedy said:

    surbiton said:

    rcs1000 said:

    John_M said:

    OT. I was struck by the thought that no one born after September 1973 has ever experienced a UK cyclical recession in their adult lives. That's astonishing.

    Do you mean a recession, where no one else is having one?
    John M was probably in Mars in 2009/2010
    Talking of Mars, at the end of next month Elon Musk is due to give details of his planned BFR (Big Fu***ng Rocket) and MCT (Mars Colonial Transport) at the IAC meeting in Mexico.

    He wants to have a settlement of one million people on Mars. It may sound ridiculous, but this is Musk we're talking about ...

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mars_Colonial_Transporter
    Well Musk made his fortune by advertising his cars on Wall Street.
    But I doubt he is going to find suckers for this.
    Musk has made several fortunes, reinvesting one into the next:
    Zip2
    Paypal
    Then, Tesla

    He's aiming at a $500,000 price point for the Mars trip. Some people wold just go for the adventure, coming back later. The trick will be in making Mars liveable enough for people to want to live there (and to do so healthily). That last point is where the problem may lie, rather than the technology of getting there.
    Putting a man on Mars is relatively easy. Getting him back to Earth is the difficult bit.
    I don't know, the cost of the Apollo Program was 24$ billion 1969 dollars.

    Mars is many times the distance of the Moon.

    The cost of maintaining a space colony in either the Moon or Mars would make business sence only if they find large gold deposits.
    Gold is nowhere near valuable enough. Tritium-3 perhaps.
    Is there such a thing, or is it hydrogen-3?
    Yeah, sorry, brainfarting due to too much sun.
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    ThrakThrak Posts: 494
    PlatoSaid said:

    MaxPB said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Brendan Foster, Olympic 10,000m bronze medallist and BBC athletics commentator

    "You see things pushed along sometimes - you think of Bob Beamon in the long jump - but I'm not sure what to make of that to be honest. I will be interested to hear what Ayana has to say afterwards."

    An amazing performance, Ayana really showed her stuff.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SDCGSsOaLDA

    I'll say this, watch the medal ceremony and ask yourself if she looks like someone who knows that this might not stick. Didn't look happy at all.
    Thought so too - very subdued.
    There were nearly twenty personal bests throughout the field, though. Maybe the track really is a bit short!
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    JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 39,123
    RobD said:

    Aren't there helium/hydrogen deposits which may be useful for rocket fuel, so there would be some benefit as a refueling station (doesn't sound particularly viable). I may be talking out my arse though, and not the Jack kind....

    I think you're thinking of Helium-3 on the Moon. SpaceX are designing their new large Raptor engine to be methalox: (methane and liquid oxygen) rather then the kerosene and liquid oxygen their current engine uses. This is because it is believed (*) that it should be easy to make methane on Mars for refuelling for the journey back.

    They're planning a project to land a derivative of their current capsule called Red Dragon (unmanned) on Mars, perhaps launching as early as 2018 (if they miss that, they'll have to wait two years for the next opportunity).

    Although they'll have to get their Falcon Heavy rocket flying for that, and that's much, much delayed.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Dragon_(spacecraft)

    (*) This is one of the assumptions the project relies on.
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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,960
    kle4 said:

    MaxPB said:

    The other interesting thing is that 1.98m would be good enough for Bronze in the standalone high jump now that the doping Russians have been banned. I hope KJT has been put forwards for it by the management.

    I seem to recall Ennis' hurdles times at their best have been good enough for potential medals, but I guess doing both is deemed too much.
    The hurdles time she did in London equalled the gold medal time in the individual event in Beijing.
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    PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383
    Thrak said:

    PlatoSaid said:

    MaxPB said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Brendan Foster, Olympic 10,000m bronze medallist and BBC athletics commentator

    "You see things pushed along sometimes - you think of Bob Beamon in the long jump - but I'm not sure what to make of that to be honest. I will be interested to hear what Ayana has to say afterwards."

    An amazing performance, Ayana really showed her stuff.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SDCGSsOaLDA

    I'll say this, watch the medal ceremony and ask yourself if she looks like someone who knows that this might not stick. Didn't look happy at all.
    Thought so too - very subdued.
    There were nearly twenty personal bests throughout the field, though. Maybe the track really is a bit short!
    Perhaps they've all been drinking the diving pool water :tongue:
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    foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    Pong said:

    houndtang said:

    I still have a £10 free bet to use on Betfair Sportsbook and about 10 days to use it. Any tips? Smith?

    Leicester City are evens to win away at Hull tommorow. We are reigning champions, evenly matched ManU at Wembley last Sunday until an unfortunate second ManU goal.

    Hull are newly promoted but can only field 9 fit senior players and some of those out of position. Their goalie hasn't played a competitive match for 6 months. They have no manager, no signings, a mad owner and fans in meltdown.

    Evens is great value, but Leicester -1 or -2 probably good value too.

    Get this for a tweeted squad photo by Hull:

    http://www.90min.com/posts/3569194-hull-city-s-curtis-davies-pokes-fun-at-his-own-club-with-brilliant-squad-photo?utm_medium=share&utm_source=fotmob
    I'm guessing the stake isn't returned if the free bet wins, so in value terms the longer the odds, the better.
    Perhaps Leicester -1 and Vardy to score?
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    weejonnieweejonnie Posts: 3,820
    Charles said:

    Sandpit said:

    Speedy said:

    surbiton said:

    rcs1000 said:

    John_M said:

    OT. I was struck by the thought that no one born after September 1973 has ever experienced a UK cyclical recession in their adult lives. That's astonishing.

    Do you mean a recession, where no one else is having one?
    John M was probably in Mars in 2009/2010
    Talking of Mars, at the end of next month Elon Musk is due to give details of his planned BFR (Big Fu***ng Rocket) and MCT (Mars Colonial Transport) at the IAC meeting in Mexico.

    He wants to have a settlement of one million people on Mars. It may sound ridiculous, but this is Musk we're talking about ...

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mars_Colonial_Transporter
    Well Musk made his fortune by advertising his cars on Wall Street.
    But I doubt he is going to find suckers for this.
    Musk has made several fortunes, reinvesting one into the next:
    Zip2
    Paypal
    Then, Tesla

    He's aiming at a $500,000 price point for the Mars trip. Some people wold just go for the adventure, coming back later. The trick will be in making Mars liveable enough for people to want to live there (and to do so healthily). That last point is where the problem may lie, rather than the technology of getting there.
    Putting a man on Mars is relatively easy. Getting him back to Earth is the difficult bit.
    Nah. They made a movie about it. It must be easy ;)
    The problem is that you have to get out of the Mars gravity well. the fuel to do that (unless you can manage to make it on the surface or somehow send it by 'mules' that can be collected) has to be carried in the rocket when it takes off from the Earth and has to be carried up the Terrestrial Gravitational well.

    Now it may eventually be possible to construct a rocket to travel to Mars in HEO or MEO to reduce the requirements but engineering problems are even more massive.
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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,960
    PlatoSaid said:

    MaxPB said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Brendan Foster, Olympic 10,000m bronze medallist and BBC athletics commentator

    "You see things pushed along sometimes - you think of Bob Beamon in the long jump - but I'm not sure what to make of that to be honest. I will be interested to hear what Ayana has to say afterwards."

    An amazing performance, Ayana really showed her stuff.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SDCGSsOaLDA

    I'll say this, watch the medal ceremony and ask yourself if she looks like someone who knows that this might not stick. Didn't look happy at all.
    Thought so too - very subdued.
    Ooh. I'm watching an international feed and they were saying it was one of the all time greatest athletics performances. Hope there's no problems afterwards.
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    CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    weejonnie said:

    Charles said:

    Sandpit said:

    Speedy said:

    surbiton said:

    rcs1000 said:

    John_M said:

    OT. I was struck by the thought that no one born after September 1973 has ever experienced a UK cyclical recession in their adult lives. That's astonishing.

    Do you mean a recession, where no one else is having one?
    John M was probably in Mars in 2009/2010
    Talking of Mars, at the end of next month Elon Musk is due to give details of his planned BFR (Big Fu***ng Rocket) and MCT (Mars Colonial Transport) at the IAC meeting in Mexico.

    He wants to have a settlement of one million people on Mars. It may sound ridiculous, but this is Musk we're talking about ...

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mars_Colonial_Transporter
    Well Musk made his fortune by advertising his cars on Wall Street.
    But I doubt he is going to find suckers for this.
    Musk has made several fortunes, reinvesting one into the next:
    Zip2
    Paypal
    Then, Tesla

    He's aiming at a $500,000 price point for the Mars trip. Some people wold just go for the adventure, coming back later. The trick will be in making Mars liveable enough for people to want to live there (and to do so healthily). That last point is where the problem may lie, rather than the technology of getting there.
    Putting a man on Mars is relatively easy. Getting him back to Earth is the difficult bit.
    Nah. They made a movie about it. It must be easy ;)
    The problem is that you have to get out of the Mars gravity well. the fuel to do that (unless you can manage to make it on the surface or somehow send it by 'mules' that can be collected) has to be carried in the rocket when it takes off from the Earth and has to be carried up the Terrestrial Gravitational well.

    Now it may eventually be possible to construct a rocket to travel to Mars in HEO or MEO to reduce the requirements but engineering problems are even more massive.
    @MorrisDancer has it nailed
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    Amused to see Corbyn's spokesman describing the second clause in the section of the rulebook covering elections of national officers as "an obscure clause in the Labour Party rules". The only clause that comes before it just says that elections must be fair, open and transparent and must comply with the party's rules and NEC guidelines. This "obscure" clause basically says that the NEC can vary the rules and issue procedural guidelines for the conduct of elections.

    The clause they relied on to get Corbyn on the ballot was Chapter 4, clause II, 2.B.ii and is just a little bit further down p14 of the 2016 rulebook. Presumably that is not an obscure clause!
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,014
    Mr. Charles, I certainly do.

    Who/what is it that I have nailed?
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    Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    JackW said:

    Speedy said:

    JackW said:

    Truly horrible swing state polls for Trump from Marist. Little wonder main GOP donors are pushing their cash into down ballot races :

    http://www.politico.com/blogs/swing-states-2016-election/2016/08/poll-clinton-trump-colorado-north-carolina-virginia-226955

    Marist, so it goes to the bin, along side Fox, Rassmusen and Reuters.

    Since Trump has no campaign (almost no staff and no ads), it probably would not make any difference if no one did give him money.

    Hillary needs 100$ million a month, Trump probably 10$ million, he is so Scrooge he is being outspent by the Green Party.
    Marist are rated "A" by 538 with a 88% correct races called ratio over 146 polls. If it's good enough for Nate then I'm not quibbling.
    Didn't "Nate" say there was no realistic prospect of Trump even becoming the Republican nominee?
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    EPGEPG Posts: 6,052
    So after 1.5 weeks of bounce, the last couple of US polls seem to have normalised back where they started: Clinton leading by approximately Obama's margin.
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    JackW said:

    Speedy said:

    JackW said:

    Truly horrible swing state polls for Trump from Marist. Little wonder main GOP donors are pushing their cash into down ballot races :

    http://www.politico.com/blogs/swing-states-2016-election/2016/08/poll-clinton-trump-colorado-north-carolina-virginia-226955

    Marist, so it goes to the bin, along side Fox, Rassmusen and Reuters.

    Since Trump has no campaign (almost no staff and no ads), it probably would not make any difference if no one did give him money.

    Hillary needs 100$ million a month, Trump probably 10$ million, he is so Scrooge he is being outspent by the Green Party.
    Marist are rated "A" by 538 with a 88% correct races called ratio over 146 polls. If it's good enough for Nate then I'm not quibbling.
    Sorry, not good enough for me.

    Between the N.H primary and the S.Carolina primary, something wrong happened to Marist and they keep churning crap since then, I think they changed their methodology back then.

    Their accuracy is now on the category of Rassmusen, Fox and Reuters, if I accept Marist then I have to accept all those other deeply flawed pollsters.
    I'm not going to debase the poling accuracy of my averages by adding even a single of those 4 pollsters.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,007
    Perfectly poised test match.
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    JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 39,123

    Hmm. Mining asteroids could have an economic and viability impact on any Martian settlement.

    Topical news:
    http://gizmodo.com/this-mining-company-plans-to-land-on-an-asteroid-in-thr-1785112235
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    Farcical decision to end - or not - a farcical process. Can there be an appeal to the Supreme Court now or is the Appeal Court's ruling final.

    Appeal Court have refused leave to appeal. And awarded all costs to the complainants.
    That doesn't necessarily prevent a referral to the Supreme Court. It simply means the members who brought the case will have to ask the Supreme Court for permission to appeal to the Supreme Court if they want to take the matter further.
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,014
    Mr. Jessop, the question of ownership is an interesting one.

    If one country gets a critical advantage in space-based weaponry, that would prove a dramatic moment in our history.
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    malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 42,139
    RobD said:

    Farcical decision to end - or not - a farcical process. Can there be an appeal to the Supreme Court now or is the Appeal Court's ruling final.

    Appeal Court have refused leave to appeal. And awarded all costs to the complainants.
    I'd be a bit pissed off were I one of them. Isn't that effectively saying that there's no reasonable ground for reaching an alternative decision - even though the High Court did exactly that?
    I don't get it either.

    It effectively gives Labour (and any other group with rules along similar lines) the right to act in a capricious manner to gerrymander an election result - and the courts will refuse to intervene.

    Personally I would have thought the law of the land regarding contracts trumped anything in a party rule book. At least it should.

    Labour is not a company and so the relationship is not a consumer/supplier one. When you join a political party you are bound by its rulebook and the Labour rulebook states the NEC sets the rules. It's not as if freezes have not been applied in the past.

    I didn't say it was a company. But a contractual arrangement does exist between a party and the members (as was shown by the first judgement)

    And this freeze (and massive price increase) should have been judged as to whether it was 'reasonable' within the framework of the rules (which Labour forgot to mention at the time of the first case)

    And there is a strong case to be made that it was a clear attempt to manipulate the outcome of the election and was not reasonable - particularly in light of the votes for the Mayoral candidates which didn't have to be bought for £25 a go.

    It is wrong. Everyone knows it is wrong. But the Appeal Court have relied on one very narrow view of a very poorly written rule - and denied people what was a clearly given role in party democracy.

    Labour (and the lawyers) should be ashamed of themselves.

    Three CoA judges - all senior to the original judge - have ruled comprehensively that he was wrong. They know the law better than we do.

    Most likely, but they aren't infallible as both the lower court's decision shows and the need for a court above the appeals court.
    Sounds like an after lunch type decision to me
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 92,079
    Having read the Appeal court judgement, I feel I should read more - there's something entertaining satisfying about seeing an argument detailed and then taken apart piece by piece. Not as satisfying as the judgement in the Luftur Rahman case though.
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    JackWJackW Posts: 14,787
    Danny565 said:

    Didn't "Nate" say there was no realistic prospect of Trump even becoming the Republican nominee?

    He did and conceded where he got it wrong. That doesn't invalidate the pollster ratings where the data is there for all to see.
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    Danny565 said:

    JackW said:

    Speedy said:

    JackW said:

    Truly horrible swing state polls for Trump from Marist. Little wonder main GOP donors are pushing their cash into down ballot races :

    http://www.politico.com/blogs/swing-states-2016-election/2016/08/poll-clinton-trump-colorado-north-carolina-virginia-226955

    Marist, so it goes to the bin, along side Fox, Rassmusen and Reuters.

    Since Trump has no campaign (almost no staff and no ads), it probably would not make any difference if no one did give him money.

    Hillary needs 100$ million a month, Trump probably 10$ million, he is so Scrooge he is being outspent by the Green Party.
    Marist are rated "A" by 538 with a 88% correct races called ratio over 146 polls. If it's good enough for Nate then I'm not quibbling.
    Didn't "Nate" say there was no realistic prospect of Trump even becoming the Republican nominee?
    He probably believed what Marist said that Ted Cruz was going to win the GOP nomination in February.
    That was the point I started to have doubts about the accuracy of Marist, they did a sudden change and produced very different results that were disproven by the voting.

    So I've blacklisted them along with Rassmusen, Fox (for obvious bias reasons) and Reuters (for messy methodology which themselves acknowledged).
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    John_MJohn_M Posts: 7,503
    edited August 2016

    Mr. Jessop, the question of ownership is an interesting one.

    If one country gets a critical advantage in space-based weaponry, that would prove a dramatic moment in our history.

    Moving Mars by Greg Bear is a great read (but you have to like dry hard-sf) on interplanetary warfare. It's £3 on Kindle if you dally with such new-fangled contraptions.
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    BudG said:

    Farcial decision from the High Court judges. Does this set a precedent allowing any Company to advertise on their webpages and take money for a product or a service that is not as described? Simply because the ruling body of that Company changed their minds?

    No. It simply means that when you sign up to an unincorporated association, which is what the Labour Party is, you accept the rules of that association.
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    foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548

    Amused to see Corbyn's spokesman describing the second clause in the section of the rulebook covering elections of national officers as "an obscure clause in the Labour Party rules". The only clause that comes before it just says that elections must be fair, open and transparent and must comply with the party's rules and NEC guidelines. This "obscure" clause basically says that the NEC can vary the rules and issue procedural guidelines for the conduct of elections.

    The clause they relied on to get Corbyn on the ballot was Chapter 4, clause II, 2.B.ii and is just a little bit further down p14 of the 2016 rulebook. Presumably that is not an obscure clause!

    Corbyn and his acolytes leaving the NEC meeting early, as soon as they knew he was on the ballot may be the biggest mistake since the PLP put Corbyn himself on the ballot.

    It does seem odd to me that Corbyn left the NEC early before all business was done. Does he not care for the mundane work of such a body?

    It was a classic AOB stinger. Someone knows their meeting dirty tricks!
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    JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 39,123

    Mr. Jessop, the question of ownership is an interesting one.

    If one country gets a critical advantage in space-based weaponry, that would prove a dramatic moment in our history.

    Once you can put significant weights into orbit, or pull asteroids into LEO, you don't need complex weapons. Just direct an inert mass down onto the Earth below.

    The US had a plan to drop ?tungsten? rods from a Blackbird plane flying at high altitude. By the time they hit the ground, the force of their impact would be massive.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kinetic_bombardment

    And the US used a form (though not from space) in Vietnam:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lazy_Dog_(bomb)
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,007
    Just laid Owen Smith at 5.0 for next LAB leader.

    Who is offering these odds ?
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    Pulpstar said:

    Just laid Owen Smith at 5.0 for next LAB leader.

    Who is offering these odds ?

    OGH probably.
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    DecrepitJohnLDecrepitJohnL Posts: 13,300

    Mr. Jessop, the question of ownership is an interesting one.

    If one country gets a critical advantage in space-based weaponry, that would prove a dramatic moment in our history.

    iirc there are international agreements against weaponising space (and no doubt some top-secret research projects just in case the other side does).
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    JackWJackW Posts: 14,787
    Speedy said:

    Sorry, not good enough for me.

    Between the N.H primary and the S.Carolina primary, something wrong happened to Marist and they keep churning crap since then, I think they changed their methodology back then.

    Their accuracy is now on the category of Rassmusen, Fox and Reuters, if I accept Marist then I have to accept all those other deeply flawed pollsters.
    I'm not going to debase the poling accuracy of my averages by adding even a single of those 4 pollsters.

    Poppycock.

    What you churn out is a matter for you. I and other PBers will determine whether to rate your prognostications more favourably than the denizens of 538.

    My money is with Mr Silver.
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    foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    edited August 2016
    JackW said:

    Danny565 said:

    Didn't "Nate" say there was no realistic prospect of Trump even becoming the Republican nominee?

    He did and conceded where he got it wrong. That doesn't invalidate the pollster ratings where the data is there for all to see.
    Polls 3 months out are only straws in the wind, and always useful to see if they stand scruitiny.

    It looks to me that those straws in the wind are being grasped at by the Trumpites. How does he win over the swing voters in swing states? I can see no plausible path.
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    theakestheakes Posts: 842
    As I ventured earlier today presumably the new NEC with its new Corbynite majority can change the rule again and cancel what had been decided thereby allowing the 130, 000 to vote. Would not need an Appeal.
    On the other hand it appears a lot of the 130, 000 may have a vote anyway if they are registered.
    What a total cock up.
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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,960

    BudG said:

    Farcial decision from the High Court judges. Does this set a precedent allowing any Company to advertise on their webpages and take money for a product or a service that is not as described? Simply because the ruling body of that Company changed their minds?

    No. It simply means that when you sign up to an unincorporated association, which is what the Labour Party is, you accept the rules of that association.
    Not much comfort to those who signed up in May, with the message "Join the Labour Party and have a vote in our leadership election"
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,014
    Mr. L, aye. I'm not terribly convinced. As long as no one country has an overwhelming advantage, mutually assured destruction will probably maintain balance.

    Mr. Jessop, yeah, I've heard about the tungsten rods.

    Which surprises me, now I think of it, as the Romans never had them... how peculiar. Anyway, you're quite right that artificial meteorites slamming into the Earth are rather effective weapons.

    Incidentally, Ralph Kern uses a comparable strike on a moon of Jupiter in either Endeavour or Erebus (I get them confused, but I think it's Erebus).

    Mr. M, I do have a Kindle but hard SF is not my kettle of fish.
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 92,079
    theakes said:

    As I ventured earlier today presumably the new NEC with its new Corbynite majority can change the rule again and cancel what had been decided thereby allowing the 130, 000 to vote. Would not need an Appeal.

    I hadn't considered that. If the ruling boiled down to that the NEC was not restrained in the manner the High Court judge thought in these matters, that it was granted under the rules the ability to make vast changes to the rules in such a way, then presumably the NEC could indeed now make all sorts of changes that would benefit today's losing side.
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    DromedaryDromedary Posts: 1,194
    Ryan 90-110
    Kasich 350-400
    Pence 820-950

    Not much movement.
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    CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758

    Mr. Charles, I certainly do.

    Who/what is it that I have nailed?

    A mechanism for transporting physical matter through a planet's gravitational field.

    I believe you called it a "space cannon"
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,014
    Mr. Charles, ah, yes, of course.

    The space cannon (officially the MD StarGun) laughs in the face of puny gravity.
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    JackW said:

    Speedy said:

    Sorry, not good enough for me.

    Between the N.H primary and the S.Carolina primary, something wrong happened to Marist and they keep churning crap since then, I think they changed their methodology back then.

    Their accuracy is now on the category of Rassmusen, Fox and Reuters, if I accept Marist then I have to accept all those other deeply flawed pollsters.
    I'm not going to debase the poling accuracy of my averages by adding even a single of those 4 pollsters.

    Poppycock.

    What you churn out is a matter for you. I and other PBers will determine whether to rate your prognostications more favourably than the denizens of 538.

    My money is with Mr Silver.
    Did you lose a lot betting on Mr.Silver's outdated judgement during the primaries ?

    I call a spade a spade, if Marist suddently since then has produced numbers that are crap, then it's crap.

    Same for Rassmusen, Fox and Reuters.
    Why should I judge them differently than Marist if their results are equally crap ?

    Simply because Marist is more favourable to Hillary that doesn't mean I thing, I never use the pro-Trump Rassmusen and Fox ones, so why should I use Marist ?
    If they are equally crap but in different directions that doesn't make them less crap.
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    Wulfrun_PhilWulfrun_Phil Posts: 4,629
    kle4 said:

    theakes said:

    As I ventured earlier today presumably the new NEC with its new Corbynite majority can change the rule again and cancel what had been decided thereby allowing the 130, 000 to vote. Would not need an Appeal.

    I hadn't considered that. If the ruling boiled down to that the NEC was not restrained in the manner the High Court judge thought in these matters, that it was granted under the rules the ability to make vast changes to the rules in such a way, then presumably the NEC could indeed now make all sorts of changes that would benefit today's losing side.
    Not until after Conference and thus the leadership election will the memebership change.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,007
    edited August 2016
    German horse messing up a bit in the dressage..

    Bah must have been exemplary in the rest of the test.
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    So now I don't get to vote in Lab election afterall.

    Actually I would not have anyway as my union followed up their original email with a further one with a form that had to be filled in with personal details and declaration that you were not in any political party other than Labour and you support the aims and values of Labour.

    Wasnt prepared to lie on the second aspect so that was that. I fear your average far left loon won't feel so constrained to be truthful.
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    CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758

    Mr. Charles, ah, yes, of course.

    The space cannon (officially the MD StarGun) laughs in the face of puny gravity.

    I did get to play around with a howitzer when I was in California though.

    17 mile range for a single shot.

    Ability to hit planes at heights of 50,000 ft.

    Now that is a nice toy!
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,014
    Mr. Charles, does sound fun, although I still have a soft spot for trebuchets.
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    kle4 said:

    theakes said:

    As I ventured earlier today presumably the new NEC with its new Corbynite majority can change the rule again and cancel what had been decided thereby allowing the 130, 000 to vote. Would not need an Appeal.

    I hadn't considered that. If the ruling boiled down to that the NEC was not restrained in the manner the High Court judge thought in these matters, that it was granted under the rules the ability to make vast changes to the rules in such a way, then presumably the NEC could indeed now make all sorts of changes that would benefit today's losing side.
    I was surprised that the lower court ruled the way they did in the first place. Unless rules of party forbade NEC from doing it I thought they could do as they see fit
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