OT. I was struck by the thought that no one born after September 1973 has ever experienced a UK cyclical recession in their adult lives. That's astonishing.
Do you mean a recession, where no one else is having one?
I think you'd have to go back further than that for a purely UK recession. The US led the way in the late 80s. We were just among the slowest to be affected.
FPT: Mr. Llama, perhaps your son is heir to the iron throne?
Recessive gene for Highland ancestry? Perhaps you have more in common with JackW or, perish the thought, MalcG than you realise! Although I once read..... I think in a book abouut escaping from the Nazi’s .... that in Poland Jews are likely to be red-haired. Personally I’ve never met a red-haired Jew. At least AFAIK.
Hurst would be a lucky man if he had some similar blood to myself flowing through his viens , which I am sure he does have given his intelligence and fine tastes. He is a cut above the usual lout on here.
Not me, Mr. G., I started to go grey at the age of 16 and the process was complete before I hit my mid-twenties.
Mr. Cole's thought about Polish Jews might be nearer the mark. East End of London family, matriarchal side a couple of generations back from Eastern Europe by the the name Stein/Steiner (they seem not to have been able to make their mind up) and reputedly, according to family legend, anglicised to that from something unpronounceable in Shoreditch at the time.
Having followed your lead, I noticed that the IOC has banned Kuwait from the Olympics for "government interference in sport" but still thinks it's ok for Russia to participate
Riiiiiight.
"Government interference in sport"
So is N.Korea not interfering in sport ? How about China ?
They probably selected Kuwait from a lottery of small states that they can afford to ban.
OT. I was struck by the thought that no one born after September 1973 has ever experienced a UK cyclical recession in their adult lives. That's astonishing.
Do you mean a recession, where no one else is having one?
John M was probably in Mars in 2009/2010
Talking of Mars, at the end of next month Elon Musk is due to give details of his planned BFR (Big Fu***ng Rocket) and MCT (Mars Colonial Transport) at the IAC meeting in Mexico.
He wants to have a settlement of one million people on Mars. It may sound ridiculous, but this is Musk we're talking about ...
Well Musk made his fortune by advertising his cars on Wall Street. But I doubt he is going to find suckers for this.
Musk has made several fortunes, reinvesting one into the next: Zip2 Paypal Then, Tesla
He's aiming at a $500,000 price point for the Mars trip. Some people wold just go for the adventure, coming back later. The trick will be in making Mars liveable enough for people to want to live there (and to do so healthily). That last point is where the problem may lie, rather than the technology of getting there.
Farcical decision to end - or not - a farcical process. Can there be an appeal to the Supreme Court now or is the Appeal Court's ruling final.
Appeal Court have refused leave to appeal. And awarded all costs to the complainants.
I'd be a bit pissed off were I one of them. Isn't that effectively saying that there's no reasonable ground for reaching an alternative decision - even though the High Court did exactly that?
I don't get it either.
It effectively gives Labour (and any other group with rules along similar lines) the right to act in a capricious manner to gerrymander an election result - and the courts will refuse to intervene.
Personally I would have thought the law of the land regarding contracts trumped anything in a party rule book. At least it should.
Labour is not a company and so the relationship is not a consumer/supplier one. When you join a political party you are bound by its rulebook and the Labour rulebook states the NEC sets the rules. It's not as if freezes have not been applied in the past.
I didn't say it was a company. But a contractual arrangement does exist between a party and the members (as was shown by the first judgement)
And this freeze (and massive price increase) should have been judged as to whether it was 'reasonable' within the framework of the rules (which Labour forgot to mention at the time of the first case)
And there is a strong case to be made that it was a clear attempt to manipulate the outcome of the election and was not reasonable - particularly in light of the votes for the Mayoral candidates which didn't have to be bought for £25 a go.
It is wrong. Everyone knows it is wrong. But the Appeal Court have relied on one very narrow view of a very poorly written rule - and denied people what was a clearly given role in party democracy.
Labour (and the lawyers) should be ashamed of themselves.
Three CoA judges - all senior to the original judge - have ruled comprehensively that he was wrong. They know the law better than we do.
Most likely, but they aren't infallible as both the lower court's decision shows and the need for a court above the appeals court.
Farcical decision to end - or not - a farcical process. Can there be an appeal to the Supreme Court now or is the Appeal Court's ruling final.
Appeal Court have refused leave to appeal. And awarded all costs to the complainants.
I'd be a bit pissed off were I one of them. Isn't that effectively saying that there's no reasonable ground for reaching an alternative decision - even though the High Court did exactly that?
I don't get it either.
It effectively gives Labour (and any other group with rules along similar lines) the right to act in a capricious manner to gerrymander an election result - and the courts will refuse to intervene.
Personally I would have thought the law of the land regarding contracts trumped anything in a party rule book. At least it should.
Labour is not a company and so the relationship is not a consumer/supplier one. When you join a political party you are bound by its rulebook and the Labour rulebook states the NEC sets the rules. It's not as if freezes have not been applied in the past.
I didn't say it was a company. But a contractual arrangement does exist between a party and the members (as was shown by the first judgement)
And this freeze (and massive price increase) should have been judged as to whether it was 'reasonable' within the framework of the rules (which Labour forgot to mention at the time of the first case)
And there is a strong case to be made that it was a clear attempt to manipulate the outcome of the election and was not reasonable - particularly in light of the votes for the Mayoral candidates which didn't have to be bought for £25 a go.
It is wrong. Everyone knows it is wrong. But the Appeal Court have relied on one very narrow view of a very poorly written rule - and denied people what was a clearly given role in party democracy.
Labour (and the lawyers) should be ashamed of themselves.
Three CoA judges - all senior to the original judge - have ruled comprehensively that he was wrong. They know the law better than we do.
I still have a £10 free bet to use on Betfair Sportsbook and about 10 days to use it. Any tips? Smith?
Leicester City are evens to win away at Hull tommorow. We are reigning champions, evenly matched ManU at Wembley last Sunday until an unfortunate second ManU goal.
Hull are newly promoted but can only field 9 fit senior players and some of those out of position. Their goalie hasn't played a competitive match for 6 months. They have no manager, no signings, a mad owner and fans in meltdown.
Evens is great value, but Leicester -1 or -2 probably good value too.
No, that's not a particularly fresh observation, but it bears repeating about every three seconds. I don't remember politics before the late 90s, but when was it ever this absurd?
Just reflect on how much simpler matters are in parties which require a leader to step down when a leader loses a vote of confidence of MPs by a margin of 1%, let alone a margin of 60% (or thereabouts). The chaos in Labour is down to the choice of one man not to do so.
Farcical decision to end - or not - a farcical process. Can there be an appeal to the Supreme Court now or is the Appeal Court's ruling final.
Appeal Court have refused leave to appeal. And awarded all costs to the complainants.
I'd be a bit pissed off were I one of them. Isn't that effectively saying that there's no reasonable ground for reaching an alternative decision - even though the High Court did exactly that?
I don't get it either.
It effectively gives Labour (and any other group with rules along similar lines) the right to act in a capricious manner to gerrymander an election result - and the courts will refuse to intervene.
Personally I would have thought the law of the land regarding contracts trumped anything in a party rule book. At least it should.
Labour is not a company and so the relationship is not a consumer/supplier one. When you join a political party you are bound by its rulebook and the Labour rulebook states the NEC sets the rules. It's not as if freezes have not been applied in the past.
I didn't say it was a company. But a contractual arrangement does exist between a party and the members (as was shown by the first judgement)
And this freeze (and massive price increase) should have been judged as to whether it was 'reasonable' within the framework of the rules (which Labour forgot to mention at the time of the first case)
And there is a strong case to be made that it was a clear attempt to manipulate the outcome of the election and was not reasonable - particularly in light of the votes for the Mayoral candidates which didn't have to be bought for £25 a go.
It is wrong. Everyone knows it is wrong. But the Appeal Court have relied on one very narrow view of a very poorly written rule - and denied people what was a clearly given role in party democracy.
Labour (and the lawyers) should be ashamed of themselves.
Three CoA judges - all senior to the original judge - have ruled comprehensively that he was wrong. They know the law better than we do.
Most likely, but they aren't infallible as both the lower court's decision shows and the need for a court above the appeals court.
And the the High Court didn't get to consider the Labour rule book on this matter - as the Labour lawyers didn't use it as part of their case. Which is massive incompetence.
OT. I was struck by the thought that no one born after September 1973 has ever experienced a UK cyclical recession in their adult lives. That's astonishing.
Do you mean a recession, where no one else is having one?
John M was probably in Mars in 2009/2010
Talking of Mars, at the end of next month Elon Musk is due to give details of his planned BFR (Big Fu***ng Rocket) and MCT (Mars Colonial Transport) at the IAC meeting in Mexico.
He wants to have a settlement of one million people on Mars. It may sound ridiculous, but this is Musk we're talking about ...
And Musk is going about it in a sane way: almost all his endeavours (SpaceX, Solar City, even Tesla), are associated with his Mars plans. This is no side-project; it is what it's all about.
Why can't we get to Mars? Cost. So make it cheaper. Reuse rockets. Use less powerful but more reliable engines. Start small and build up. Finance through sales.
Though there are potential snags on the way: they have yet to refly any of their landed first stages (though they might fly two later this year), and they've had trouble lifting enough mass to orbit to fulfil their ISS resupply contract.
A big question is whether we can actually reproduce on the one-third gravity of Mars, and how the low gravity will affect development of children. As far as I'm aware, scientists have got no animal to reproduce in zero-G. Will the same be true for 1/3 G?
That is actually Musk's business plan, find cool exotic science projects that can never work as advertised and find the suckers to give him the money for them.
Expensive Electric cars at a time of cheap oil, ok you could persuade suckers to invest by promising a bright future when oil becomes extremely expensive.
Rockets, ok you could persuade suckers to invest by promising government contracts.
But Mars? Even if Musk has Hillary in his pocket it's beyond the level of the believable even for suckers.
OT. I was struck by the thought that no one born after September 1973 has ever experienced a UK cyclical recession in their adult lives. That's astonishing.
Do you mean a recession, where no one else is having one?
John M was probably in Mars in 2009/2010
Talking of Mars, at the end of next month Elon Musk is due to give details of his planned BFR (Big Fu***ng Rocket) and MCT (Mars Colonial Transport) at the IAC meeting in Mexico.
He wants to have a settlement of one million people on Mars. It may sound ridiculous, but this is Musk we're talking about ...
And Musk is going about it in a sane way: almost all his endeavours (SpaceX, Solar City, even Tesla), are associated with his Mars plans. This is no side-project; it is what it's all about.
Why can't we get to Mars? Cost. So make it cheaper. Reuse rockets. Use less powerful but more reliable engines. Start small and build up. Finance through sales.
Though there are potential snags on the way: they have yet to refly any of their landed first stages (though they might fly two later this year), and they've had trouble lifting enough mass to orbit to fulfil their ISS resupply contract.
A big question is whether we can actually reproduce on the one-third gravity of Mars, and how the low gravity will affect development of children. As far as I'm aware, scientists have got no animal to reproduce in zero-G. Will the same be true for 1/3 G?
That is actually Musk's business plan, find cool exotic science projects that can never work as advertised and find the suckers to give him the money for them.
(Snip)
I'm slightly cynical as well (especially about Hyperloop, which AFAIK Musk isn't directly investing in). But they have solid achievements in both cars and rocketry. In fact, especially rocketry.
Although he has a rival from Bezos (of Amazon fame) and his Blue Origin space company. Although Bezos's sub-orbital rocket looks too much like a dildo for my liking. He won't just go to space; he's going to f**k space...
Nasty. Should be thrown out as such attitudes are completely unacceptable
"At the end of the fight the Egyptian Islam El Shehaby refused to shake the hand of Israeli competitor Or Sasson, in a major breach of judo etiquette. Judo players typically bow or shake hands at the beginning and end of a match, as a sign of respect in the Japanese martial art. When Sasson extended his hand, El Shehaby backed away, shaking his head. The Israeli then walked off in disgust. Prior to the fight, El Shahaby had come under pressure from Islamist-leaning and nationalist voices in Egypt to withdraw entirely.
Nasty. Should be thrown out as such attitudes are completely unacceptable
"At the end of the fight the Egyptian Islam El Shehaby refused to shake the hand of Israeli competitor Or Sasson, in a major breach of judo etiquette. Judo players typically bow or shake hands at the beginning and end of a match, as a sign of respect in the Japanese martial art. When Sasson extended his hand, El Shehaby backed away, shaking his head. The Israeli then walked off in disgust. Prior to the fight, El Shahaby had come under pressure from Islamist-leaning and nationalist voices in Egypt to withdraw entirely.
Organisers say only 58% of seats for the first day of athletics at Rio have been sold.
There's more like 20% of seats occupied at the end of the morning session. They missed a stunning world record in the women's 10k and two althletes beating the heptathlon high jump Olympic record.
Organisers say only 58% of seats for the first day of athletics at Rio have been sold.
There's more like 20% of seats occupied at the end of the morning session. They missed a stunning world record in the women's 10k and two althletes beating the heptathlon high jump Olympic record.
I agree with SeanT's previous comment. If they can't sell them they should be giving them away....
OT. I was struck by the thought that no one born after September 1973 has ever experienced a UK cyclical recession in their adult lives. That's astonishing.
Do you mean a recession, where no one else is having one?
John M was probably in Mars in 2009/2010
Talking of Mars, at the end of next month Elon Musk is due to give details of his planned BFR (Big Fu***ng Rocket) and MCT (Mars Colonial Transport) at the IAC meeting in Mexico.
He wants to have a settlement of one million people on Mars. It may sound ridiculous, but this is Musk we're talking about ...
Well Musk made his fortune by advertising his cars on Wall Street. But I doubt he is going to find suckers for this.
Musk has made several fortunes, reinvesting one into the next: Zip2 Paypal Then, Tesla
He's aiming at a $500,000 price point for the Mars trip. Some people wold just go for the adventure, coming back later. The trick will be in making Mars liveable enough for people to want to live there (and to do so healthily). That last point is where the problem may lie, rather than the technology of getting there.
Putting a man on Mars is relatively easy. Getting him back to Earth is the difficult bit.
OT. I was struck by the thought that no one born after September 1973 has ever experienced a UK cyclical recession in their adult lives. That's astonishing.
Do you mean a recession, where no one else is having one?
John M was probably in Mars in 2009/2010
Talking of Mars, at the end of next month Elon Musk is due to give details of his planned BFR (Big Fu***ng Rocket) and MCT (Mars Colonial Transport) at the IAC meeting in Mexico.
He wants to have a settlement of one million people on Mars. It may sound ridiculous, but this is Musk we're talking about ...
And Musk is going about it in a sane way: almost all his endeavours (SpaceX, Solar City, even Tesla), are associated with his Mars plans. This is no side-project; it is what it's all about.
Why can't we get to Mars? Cost. So make it cheaper. Reuse rockets. Use less powerful but more reliable engines. Start small and build up. Finance through sales.
Though there are potential snags on the way: they have yet to refly any of their landed first stages (though they might fly two later this year), and they've had trouble lifting enough mass to orbit to fulfil their ISS resupply contract.
A big question is whether we can actually reproduce on the one-third gravity of Mars, and how the low gravity will affect development of children. As far as I'm aware, scientists have got no animal to reproduce in zero-G. Will the same be true for 1/3 G?
That is actually Musk's business plan, find cool exotic science projects that can never work as advertised and find the suckers to give him the money for them.
(Snip)
I'm slightly cynical as well (especially about Hyperloop, which AFAIK Musk isn't directly investing in). But they have solid achievements in both cars and rocketry. In fact, especially rocketry.
Although he has a rival from Bezos (of Amazon fame) and his Blue Origin space company. Although Bezos's sub-orbital rocket looks too much like a dildo for my liking. He won't just go to space; he's going to f**k space...
OT. I was struck by the thought that no one born after September 1973 has ever experienced a UK cyclical recession in their adult lives. That's astonishing.
Do you mean a recession, where no one else is having one?
John M was probably in Mars in 2009/2010
Talking of Mars, at the end of next month Elon Musk is due to give details of his planned BFR (Big Fu***ng Rocket) and MCT (Mars Colonial Transport) at the IAC meeting in Mexico.
He wants to have a settlement of one million people on Mars. It may sound ridiculous, but this is Musk we're talking about ...
And Musk is going about it in a sane way: almost all his endeavours (SpaceX, Solar City, even Tesla), are associated with his Mars plans. This is no side-project; it is what it's all about.
Why can't we get to Mars? Cost. So make it cheaper. Reuse rockets. Use less powerful but more reliable engines. Start small and build up. Finance through sales.
Though there are potential snags on the way: they have yet to refly any of their landed first stages (though they might fly two later this year), and they've had trouble lifting enough mass to orbit to fulfil their ISS resupply contract.
A big question is whether we can actually reproduce on the one-third gravity of Mars, and how the low gravity will affect development of children. As far as I'm aware, scientists have got no animal to reproduce in zero-G. Will the same be true for 1/3 G?
That is actually Musk's business plan, find cool exotic science projects that can never work as advertised and find the suckers to give him the money for them.
Expensive Electric cars at a time of cheap oil, ok you could persuade suckers to invest by promising a bright future when oil becomes extremely expensive.
Rockets, ok you could persuade suckers to invest by promising government contracts.
But Mars? Even if Musk has Hillary in his pocket it's beyond the level of the believable even for suckers.
Musk also gets some fair subsidies from the American tax-payer. The US government is more ready than ours to support its industries.
Nasty. Should be thrown out as such attitudes are completely unacceptable
"At the end of the fight the Egyptian Islam El Shehaby refused to shake the hand of Israeli competitor Or Sasson, in a major breach of judo etiquette. Judo players typically bow or shake hands at the beginning and end of a match, as a sign of respect in the Japanese martial art. When Sasson extended his hand, El Shehaby backed away, shaking his head. The Israeli then walked off in disgust. Prior to the fight, El Shahaby had come under pressure from Islamist-leaning and nationalist voices in Egypt to withdraw entirely.
I still have a £10 free bet to use on Betfair Sportsbook and about 10 days to use it. Any tips? Smith?
Leicester City are evens to win away at Hull tommorow. We are reigning champions, evenly matched ManU at Wembley last Sunday until an unfortunate second ManU goal.
Hull are newly promoted but can only field 9 fit senior players and some of those out of position. Their goalie hasn't played a competitive match for 6 months. They have no manager, no signings, a mad owner and fans in meltdown.
Evens is great value, but Leicester -1 or -2 probably good value too.
Nasty. Should be thrown out as such attitudes are completely unacceptable
"At the end of the fight the Egyptian Islam El Shehaby refused to shake the hand of Israeli competitor Or Sasson, in a major breach of judo etiquette. Judo players typically bow or shake hands at the beginning and end of a match, as a sign of respect in the Japanese martial art. When Sasson extended his hand, El Shehaby backed away, shaking his head. The Israeli then walked off in disgust. Prior to the fight, El Shahaby had come under pressure from Islamist-leaning and nationalist voices in Egypt to withdraw entirely.
Good point made in the comments. Had the competitor been black there would have been outrage and the OIC would have been all over it. However when it's this scenario not a peep.
Organisers say only 58% of seats for the first day of athletics at Rio have been sold.
There's more like 20% of seats occupied at the end of the morning session. They missed a stunning world record in the women's 10k and two althletes beating the heptathlon high jump Olympic record.
OT. I was struck by the thought that no one born after September 1973 has ever experienced a UK cyclical recession in their adult lives. That's astonishing.
Do you mean a recession, where no one else is having one?
John M was probably in Mars in 2009/2010
Talking of Mars, at the end of next month Elon Musk is due to give details of his planned BFR (Big Fu***ng Rocket) and MCT (Mars Colonial Transport) at the IAC meeting in Mexico.
He wants to have a settlement of one million people on Mars. It may sound ridiculous, but this is Musk we're talking about ...
Well Musk made his fortune by advertising his cars on Wall Street. But I doubt he is going to find suckers for this.
Musk has made several fortunes, reinvesting one into the next: Zip2 Paypal Then, Tesla
He's aiming at a $500,000 price point for the Mars trip. Some people wold just go for the adventure, coming back later. The trick will be in making Mars liveable enough for people to want to live there (and to do so healthily). That last point is where the problem may lie, rather than the technology of getting there.
Putting a man on Mars is relatively easy. Getting him back to Earth is the difficult bit.
I don't know, the cost of the Apollo Program was 24$ billion 1969 dollars.
Mars is many times the distance of the Moon.
The cost of maintaining a space colony in either the Moon or Mars would make business sence only if they find large gold deposits.
The science is there, but it would never make a profit, only giant loses.
OT. I was struck by the thought that no one born after September 1973 has ever experienced a UK cyclical recession in their adult lives. That's astonishing.
Do you mean a recession, where no one else is having one?
John M was probably in Mars in 2009/2010
Talking of Mars, at the end of next month Elon Musk is due to give details of his planned BFR (Big Fu***ng Rocket) and MCT (Mars Colonial Transport) at the IAC meeting in Mexico.
He wants to have a settlement of one million people on Mars. It may sound ridiculous, but this is Musk we're talking about ...
Well Musk made his fortune by advertising his cars on Wall Street. But I doubt he is going to find suckers for this.
Musk has made several fortunes, reinvesting one into the next: Zip2 Paypal Then, Tesla
He's aiming at a $500,000 price point for the Mars trip. Some people wold just go for the adventure, coming back later. The trick will be in making Mars liveable enough for people to want to live there (and to do so healthily). That last point is where the problem may lie, rather than the technology of getting there.
Putting a man on Mars is relatively easy. Getting him back to Earth is the difficult bit.
I don't know, the cost of the Apollo Program was 24$ billion 1969 dollars.
Mars is many times the distance of the Moon.
The cost of maintaining a space colony in either the Moon or Mars would make business sence only if they find large gold deposits.
Gold is nowhere near valuable enough. Tritium-3 perhaps.
OT. I was struck by the thought that no one born after September 1973 has ever experienced a UK cyclical recession in their adult lives. That's astonishing.
Do you mean a recession, where no one else is having one?
John M was probably in Mars in 2009/2010
Talking of Mars, at the end of next month Elon Musk is due to give details of his planned BFR (Big Fu***ng Rocket) and MCT (Mars Colonial Transport) at the IAC meeting in Mexico.
He wants to have a settlement of one million people on Mars. It may sound ridiculous, but this is Musk we're talking about ...
Well Musk made his fortune by advertising his cars on Wall Street. But I doubt he is going to find suckers for this.
Musk has made several fortunes, reinvesting one into the next: Zip2 Paypal Then, Tesla
He's aiming at a $500,000 price point for the Mars trip. Some people wold just go for the adventure, coming back later. The trick will be in making Mars liveable enough for people to want to live there (and to do so healthily). That last point is where the problem may lie, rather than the technology of getting there.
Putting a man on Mars is relatively easy. Getting him back to Earth is the difficult bit.
I don't know, the cost of the Apollo Program was 24$ billion 1969 dollars.
Mars is many times the distance of the Moon.
The cost of maintaining a space colony in either the Moon or Mars would make business sence only if they find large gold deposits.
Aren't there helium/hydrogen deposits which may be useful for rocket fuel, so there would be some benefit as a refueling station (doesn't sound particularly viable). I may be talking out my arse though, and not the Jack kind....
Organisers say only 58% of seats for the first day of athletics at Rio have been sold.
There's more like 20% of seats occupied at the end of the morning session. They missed a stunning world record in the women's 10k and two althletes beating the heptathlon high jump Olympic record.
I wonder how long that new WR will be valid...
Another Ethiopian was done earlier this year for EPO. I hope she isn't one - she didn't even appear puffed out at the end.
The other interesting thing is that 1.98m would be good enough for Bronze in the standalone high jump now that the doping Russians have been banned. I hope KJT has been put forwards for it by the management.
OT. I was struck by the thought that no one born after September 1973 has ever experienced a UK cyclical recession in their adult lives. That's astonishing.
Do you mean a recession, where no one else is having one?
John M was probably in Mars in 2009/2010
Talking of Mars, at the end of next month Elon Musk is due to give details of his planned BFR (Big Fu***ng Rocket) and MCT (Mars Colonial Transport) at the IAC meeting in Mexico.
He wants to have a settlement of one million people on Mars. It may sound ridiculous, but this is Musk we're talking about ...
Well Musk made his fortune by advertising his cars on Wall Street. But I doubt he is going to find suckers for this.
Musk has made several fortunes, reinvesting one into the next: Zip2 Paypal Then, Tesla
He's aiming at a $500,000 price point for the Mars trip. Some people wold just go for the adventure, coming back later. The trick will be in making Mars liveable enough for people to want to live there (and to do so healthily). That last point is where the problem may lie, rather than the technology of getting there.
Putting a man on Mars is relatively easy. Getting him back to Earth is the difficult bit.
I don't know, the cost of the Apollo Program was 24$ billion 1969 dollars.
Mars is many times the distance of the Moon.
The cost of maintaining a space colony in either the Moon or Mars would make business sence only if they find large gold deposits.
Gold is nowhere near valuable enough. Tritium-3 perhaps.
OT. I was struck by the thought that no one born after September 1973 has ever experienced a UK cyclical recession in their adult lives. That's astonishing.
Do you mean a recession, where no one else is having one?
John M was probably in Mars in 2009/2010
Talking of Mars, at the end of next month Elon Musk is due to give details of his planned BFR (Big Fu***ng Rocket) and MCT (Mars Colonial Transport) at the IAC meeting in Mexico.
He wants to have a settlement of one million people on Mars. It may sound ridiculous, but this is Musk we're talking about ...
Well Musk made his fortune by advertising his cars on Wall Street. But I doubt he is going to find suckers for this.
Musk has made several fortunes, reinvesting one into the next: Zip2 Paypal Then, Tesla
He's aiming at a $500,000 price point for the Mars trip. Some people wold just go for the adventure, coming back later. The trick will be in making Mars liveable enough for people to want to live there (and to do so healthily). That last point is where the problem may lie, rather than the technology of getting there.
Putting a man on Mars is relatively easy. Getting him back to Earth is the difficult bit.
I don't know, the cost of the Apollo Program was 24$ billion 1969 dollars.
Mars is many times the distance of the Moon.
The cost of maintaining a space colony in either the Moon or Mars would make business sence only if they find large gold deposits.
The science is there, but it would never make a profit, only giant loses.
Surely the price of gold would plummet if it became potentially abundant?
OT. I was struck by the thought that no one born after September 1973 has ever experienced a UK cyclical recession in their adult lives. That's astonishing.
Do you mean a recession, where no one else is having one?
John M was probably in Mars in 2009/2010
Talking of Mars, at the end of next month Elon Musk is due to give details of his planned BFR (Big Fu***ng Rocket) and MCT (Mars Colonial Transport) at the IAC meeting in Mexico.
He wants to have a settlement of one million people on Mars. It may sound ridiculous, but this is Musk we're talking about ...
Well Musk made his fortune by advertising his cars on Wall Street. But I doubt he is going to find suckers for this.
Musk has made several fortunes, reinvesting one into the next: Zip2 Paypal Then, Tesla
He's aiming at a $500,000 price point for the Mars trip. Some people wold just go for the adventure, coming back later. The trick will be in making Mars liveable enough for people to want to live there (and to do so healthily). That last point is where the problem may lie, rather than the technology of getting there.
Putting a man on Mars is relatively easy. Getting him back to Earth is the difficult bit.
I don't know, the cost of the Apollo Program was 24$ billion 1969 dollars.
Mars is many times the distance of the Moon.
The cost of maintaining a space colony in either the Moon or Mars would make business sence only if they find large gold deposits.
The science is there, but it would never make a profit, only giant loses.
Surely the price of gold would plummet if it became potentially abundant?
OT. I was struck by the thought that no one born after September 1973 has ever experienced a UK cyclical recession in their adult lives. That's astonishing.
Do you mean a recession, where no one else is having one?
John M was probably in Mars in 2009/2010
Talking of Mars, at the end of next month Elon Musk is due to give details of his planned BFR (Big Fu***ng Rocket) and MCT (Mars Colonial Transport) at the IAC meeting in Mexico.
He wants to have a settlement of one million people on Mars. It may sound ridiculous, but this is Musk we're talking about ...
Well Musk made his fortune by advertising his cars on Wall Street. But I doubt he is going to find suckers for this.
Musk has made several fortunes, reinvesting one into the next: Zip2 Paypal Then, Tesla
He's aiming at a $500,000 price point for the Mars trip. Some people wold just go for the adventure, coming back later. The trick will be in making Mars liveable enough for people to want to live there (and to do so healthily). That last point is where the problem may lie, rather than the technology of getting there.
Putting a man on Mars is relatively easy. Getting him back to Earth is the difficult bit.
I don't know, the cost of the Apollo Program was 24$ billion 1969 dollars.
Mars is many times the distance of the Moon.
The cost of maintaining a space colony in either the Moon or Mars would make business sence only if they find large gold deposits.
Gold is nowhere near valuable enough. Tritium-3 perhaps.
The other interesting thing is that 1.98m would be good enough for Bronze in the standalone high jump now that the doping Russians have been banned. I hope KJT has been put forwards for it by the management.
I seem to recall Ennis' hurdles times at their best have been good enough for potential medals, but I guess doing both is deemed too much.
OT. I was struck by the thought that no one born after September 1973 has ever experienced a UK cyclical recession in their adult lives. That's astonishing.
Do you mean a recession, where no one else is having one?
John M was probably in Mars in 2009/2010
Talking of Mars, at the end of next month Elon Musk is due to give details of his planned BFR (Big Fu***ng Rocket) and MCT (Mars Colonial Transport) at the IAC meeting in Mexico.
He wants to have a settlement of one million people on Mars. It may sound ridiculous, but this is Musk we're talking about ...
Well Musk made his fortune by advertising his cars on Wall Street. But I doubt he is going to find suckers for this.
Musk has made several fortunes, reinvesting one into the next: Zip2 Paypal Then, Tesla
He's aiming at a $500,000 price point for the Mars trip. Some people wold just go for the adventure, coming back later. The trick will be in making Mars liveable enough for people to want to live there (and to do so healthily). That last point is where the problem may lie, rather than the technology of getting there.
Putting a man on Mars is relatively easy. Getting him back to Earth is the difficult bit.
I don't know, the cost of the Apollo Program was 24$ billion 1969 dollars.
Mars is many times the distance of the Moon.
The cost of maintaining a space colony in either the Moon or Mars would make business sence only if they find large gold deposits.
The science is there, but it would never make a profit, only giant loses.
Surely the price of gold would plummet if it became potentially abundant?
They could pull a DeBeers, although that would require control of gold here on Earth too
OT. I was struck by the thought that no one born after September 1973 has ever experienced a UK cyclical recession in their adult lives. That's astonishing.
Do you mean a recession, where no one else is having one?
John M was probably in Mars in 2009/2010
Talking of Mars, at the end of next month Elon Musk is due to give details of his planned BFR (Big Fu***ng Rocket) and MCT (Mars Colonial Transport) at the IAC meeting in Mexico.
He wants to have a settlement of one million people on Mars. It may sound ridiculous, but this is Musk we're talking about ...
Well Musk made his fortune by advertising his cars on Wall Street. But I doubt he is going to find suckers for this.
Musk has made several fortunes, reinvesting one into the next: Zip2 Paypal Then, Tesla
He's aiming at a $500,000 price point for the Mars trip. Some people wold just go for the adventure, coming back later. The trick will be in making Mars liveable enough for people to want to live there (and to do so healthily). That last point is where the problem may lie, rather than the technology of getting there.
Putting a man on Mars is relatively easy. Getting him back to Earth is the difficult bit.
I don't know, the cost of the Apollo Program was 24$ billion 1969 dollars.
Mars is many times the distance of the Moon.
The cost of maintaining a space colony in either the Moon or Mars would make business sence only if they find large gold deposits.
Gold is nowhere near valuable enough. Tritium-3 perhaps.
A cool million bucks per troy ounce!
Luckily worldwide commercial demand is only 400g per year!
OT. I was struck by the thought that no one born after September 1973 has ever experienced a UK cyclical recession in their adult lives. That's astonishing.
Do you mean a recession, where no one else is having one?
John M was probably in Mars in 2009/2010
Talking of Mars, at the end of next month Elon Musk is due to give details of his planned BFR (Big Fu***ng Rocket) and MCT (Mars Colonial Transport) at the IAC meeting in Mexico.
He wants to have a settlement of one million people on Mars. It may sound ridiculous, but this is Musk we're talking about ...
Well Musk made his fortune by advertising his cars on Wall Street. But I doubt he is going to find suckers for this.
Musk has made several fortunes, reinvesting one into the next: Zip2 Paypal Then, Tesla
He's aiming at a $500,000 price point for the Mars trip. Some people wold just go for the adventure, coming back later. The trick will be in making Mars liveable enough for people to want to live there (and to do so healthily). That last point is where the problem may lie, rather than the technology of getting there.
Putting a man on Mars is relatively easy. Getting him back to Earth is the difficult bit.
OT. I was struck by the thought that no one born after September 1973 has ever experienced a UK cyclical recession in their adult lives. That's astonishing.
Do you mean a recession, where no one else is having one?
John M was probably in Mars in 2009/2010
Talking of Mars, at the end of next month Elon Musk is due to give details of his planned BFR (Big Fu***ng Rocket) and MCT (Mars Colonial Transport) at the IAC meeting in Mexico.
He wants to have a settlement of one million people on Mars. It may sound ridiculous, but this is Musk we're talking about ...
Well Musk made his fortune by advertising his cars on Wall Street. But I doubt he is going to find suckers for this.
Musk has made several fortunes, reinvesting one into the next: Zip2 Paypal Then, Tesla
He's aiming at a $500,000 price point for the Mars trip. Some people wold just go for the adventure, coming back later. The trick will be in making Mars liveable enough for people to want to live there (and to do so healthily). That last point is where the problem may lie, rather than the technology of getting there.
Putting a man on Mars is relatively easy. Getting him back to Earth is the difficult bit.
I don't know, the cost of the Apollo Program was 24$ billion 1969 dollars.
Mars is many times the distance of the Moon.
The cost of maintaining a space colony in either the Moon or Mars would make business sence only if they find large gold deposits.
The science is there, but it would never make a profit, only giant loses.
Surely the price of gold would plummet if it became potentially abundant?
Martian shipments may require a high gold price to be viable. A very high price, in fact.
Brendan Foster, Olympic 10,000m bronze medallist and BBC athletics commentator
"You see things pushed along sometimes - you think of Bob Beamon in the long jump - but I'm not sure what to make of that to be honest. I will be interested to hear what Ayana has to say afterwards."
An amazing performance, Ayana really showed her stuff.
Brendan Foster, Olympic 10,000m bronze medallist and BBC athletics commentator
"You see things pushed along sometimes - you think of Bob Beamon in the long jump - but I'm not sure what to make of that to be honest. I will be interested to hear what Ayana has to say afterwards."
An amazing performance, Ayana really showed her stuff.
Organisers say only 58% of seats for the first day of athletics at Rio have been sold.
There's more like 20% of seats occupied at the end of the morning session. They missed a stunning world record in the women's 10k and two althletes beating the heptathlon high jump Olympic record.
I agree with SeanT's previous comment. If they can't sell them they should be giving them away....
Absolutely. In London they had military and school kids on standby to fill seats after bad headlines on the first couple of days. Shocking that they've not sold out the Athletics though.
Brendan Foster, Olympic 10,000m bronze medallist and BBC athletics commentator
"You see things pushed along sometimes - you think of Bob Beamon in the long jump - but I'm not sure what to make of that to be honest. I will be interested to hear what Ayana has to say afterwards."
An amazing performance, Ayana really showed her stuff.
OT. I was struck by the thought that no one born after September 1973 has ever experienced a UK cyclical recession in their adult lives. That's astonishing.
Do you mean a recession, where no one else is having one?
John M was probably in Mars in 2009/2010
Talking of Mars, at the end of next month Elon Musk is due to give details of his planned BFR (Big Fu***ng Rocket) and MCT (Mars Colonial Transport) at the IAC meeting in Mexico.
He wants to have a settlement of one million people on Mars. It may sound ridiculous, but this is Musk we're talking about ...
Well Musk made his fortune by advertising his cars on Wall Street. But I doubt he is going to find suckers for this.
Musk has made several fortunes, reinvesting one into the next: Zip2 Paypal Then, Tesla
He's aiming at a $500,000 price point for the Mars trip. Some people wold just go for the adventure, coming back later. The trick will be in making Mars liveable enough for people to want to live there (and to do so healthily). That last point is where the problem may lie, rather than the technology of getting there.
Putting a man on Mars is relatively easy. Getting him back to Earth is the difficult bit.
I don't know, the cost of the Apollo Program was 24$ billion 1969 dollars.
Mars is many times the distance of the Moon.
The cost of maintaining a space colony in either the Moon or Mars would make business sence only if they find large gold deposits.
Gold is nowhere near valuable enough. Tritium-3 perhaps.
Brendan Foster, Olympic 10,000m bronze medallist and BBC athletics commentator
"You see things pushed along sometimes - you think of Bob Beamon in the long jump - but I'm not sure what to make of that to be honest. I will be interested to hear what Ayana has to say afterwards."
An amazing performance, Ayana really showed her stuff.
Aren't there helium/hydrogen deposits which may be useful for rocket fuel, so there would be some benefit as a refueling station (doesn't sound particularly viable). I may be talking out my arse though, and not the Jack kind....
I think you're thinking of Helium-3 on the Moon. SpaceX are designing their new large Raptor engine to be methalox: (methane and liquid oxygen) rather then the kerosene and liquid oxygen their current engine uses. This is because it is believed (*) that it should be easy to make methane on Mars for refuelling for the journey back.
They're planning a project to land a derivative of their current capsule called Red Dragon (unmanned) on Mars, perhaps launching as early as 2018 (if they miss that, they'll have to wait two years for the next opportunity).
Although they'll have to get their Falcon Heavy rocket flying for that, and that's much, much delayed.
The other interesting thing is that 1.98m would be good enough for Bronze in the standalone high jump now that the doping Russians have been banned. I hope KJT has been put forwards for it by the management.
I seem to recall Ennis' hurdles times at their best have been good enough for potential medals, but I guess doing both is deemed too much.
The hurdles time she did in London equalled the gold medal time in the individual event in Beijing.
Brendan Foster, Olympic 10,000m bronze medallist and BBC athletics commentator
"You see things pushed along sometimes - you think of Bob Beamon in the long jump - but I'm not sure what to make of that to be honest. I will be interested to hear what Ayana has to say afterwards."
An amazing performance, Ayana really showed her stuff.
I still have a £10 free bet to use on Betfair Sportsbook and about 10 days to use it. Any tips? Smith?
Leicester City are evens to win away at Hull tommorow. We are reigning champions, evenly matched ManU at Wembley last Sunday until an unfortunate second ManU goal.
Hull are newly promoted but can only field 9 fit senior players and some of those out of position. Their goalie hasn't played a competitive match for 6 months. They have no manager, no signings, a mad owner and fans in meltdown.
Evens is great value, but Leicester -1 or -2 probably good value too.
OT. I was struck by the thought that no one born after September 1973 has ever experienced a UK cyclical recession in their adult lives. That's astonishing.
Do you mean a recession, where no one else is having one?
John M was probably in Mars in 2009/2010
Talking of Mars, at the end of next month Elon Musk is due to give details of his planned BFR (Big Fu***ng Rocket) and MCT (Mars Colonial Transport) at the IAC meeting in Mexico.
He wants to have a settlement of one million people on Mars. It may sound ridiculous, but this is Musk we're talking about ...
Well Musk made his fortune by advertising his cars on Wall Street. But I doubt he is going to find suckers for this.
Musk has made several fortunes, reinvesting one into the next: Zip2 Paypal Then, Tesla
He's aiming at a $500,000 price point for the Mars trip. Some people wold just go for the adventure, coming back later. The trick will be in making Mars liveable enough for people to want to live there (and to do so healthily). That last point is where the problem may lie, rather than the technology of getting there.
Putting a man on Mars is relatively easy. Getting him back to Earth is the difficult bit.
Nah. They made a movie about it. It must be easy
The problem is that you have to get out of the Mars gravity well. the fuel to do that (unless you can manage to make it on the surface or somehow send it by 'mules' that can be collected) has to be carried in the rocket when it takes off from the Earth and has to be carried up the Terrestrial Gravitational well.
Now it may eventually be possible to construct a rocket to travel to Mars in HEO or MEO to reduce the requirements but engineering problems are even more massive.
Brendan Foster, Olympic 10,000m bronze medallist and BBC athletics commentator
"You see things pushed along sometimes - you think of Bob Beamon in the long jump - but I'm not sure what to make of that to be honest. I will be interested to hear what Ayana has to say afterwards."
An amazing performance, Ayana really showed her stuff.
I'll say this, watch the medal ceremony and ask yourself if she looks like someone who knows that this might not stick. Didn't look happy at all.
Thought so too - very subdued.
Ooh. I'm watching an international feed and they were saying it was one of the all time greatest athletics performances. Hope there's no problems afterwards.
OT. I was struck by the thought that no one born after September 1973 has ever experienced a UK cyclical recession in their adult lives. That's astonishing.
Do you mean a recession, where no one else is having one?
John M was probably in Mars in 2009/2010
Talking of Mars, at the end of next month Elon Musk is due to give details of his planned BFR (Big Fu***ng Rocket) and MCT (Mars Colonial Transport) at the IAC meeting in Mexico.
He wants to have a settlement of one million people on Mars. It may sound ridiculous, but this is Musk we're talking about ...
Well Musk made his fortune by advertising his cars on Wall Street. But I doubt he is going to find suckers for this.
Musk has made several fortunes, reinvesting one into the next: Zip2 Paypal Then, Tesla
He's aiming at a $500,000 price point for the Mars trip. Some people wold just go for the adventure, coming back later. The trick will be in making Mars liveable enough for people to want to live there (and to do so healthily). That last point is where the problem may lie, rather than the technology of getting there.
Putting a man on Mars is relatively easy. Getting him back to Earth is the difficult bit.
Nah. They made a movie about it. It must be easy
The problem is that you have to get out of the Mars gravity well. the fuel to do that (unless you can manage to make it on the surface or somehow send it by 'mules' that can be collected) has to be carried in the rocket when it takes off from the Earth and has to be carried up the Terrestrial Gravitational well.
Now it may eventually be possible to construct a rocket to travel to Mars in HEO or MEO to reduce the requirements but engineering problems are even more massive.
Amused to see Corbyn's spokesman describing the second clause in the section of the rulebook covering elections of national officers as "an obscure clause in the Labour Party rules". The only clause that comes before it just says that elections must be fair, open and transparent and must comply with the party's rules and NEC guidelines. This "obscure" clause basically says that the NEC can vary the rules and issue procedural guidelines for the conduct of elections.
The clause they relied on to get Corbyn on the ballot was Chapter 4, clause II, 2.B.ii and is just a little bit further down p14 of the 2016 rulebook. Presumably that is not an obscure clause!
So after 1.5 weeks of bounce, the last couple of US polls seem to have normalised back where they started: Clinton leading by approximately Obama's margin.
Marist, so it goes to the bin, along side Fox, Rassmusen and Reuters.
Since Trump has no campaign (almost no staff and no ads), it probably would not make any difference if no one did give him money.
Hillary needs 100$ million a month, Trump probably 10$ million, he is so Scrooge he is being outspent by the Green Party.
Marist are rated "A" by 538 with a 88% correct races called ratio over 146 polls. If it's good enough for Nate then I'm not quibbling.
Sorry, not good enough for me.
Between the N.H primary and the S.Carolina primary, something wrong happened to Marist and they keep churning crap since then, I think they changed their methodology back then.
Their accuracy is now on the category of Rassmusen, Fox and Reuters, if I accept Marist then I have to accept all those other deeply flawed pollsters. I'm not going to debase the poling accuracy of my averages by adding even a single of those 4 pollsters.
Farcical decision to end - or not - a farcical process. Can there be an appeal to the Supreme Court now or is the Appeal Court's ruling final.
Appeal Court have refused leave to appeal. And awarded all costs to the complainants.
That doesn't necessarily prevent a referral to the Supreme Court. It simply means the members who brought the case will have to ask the Supreme Court for permission to appeal to the Supreme Court if they want to take the matter further.
Farcical decision to end - or not - a farcical process. Can there be an appeal to the Supreme Court now or is the Appeal Court's ruling final.
Appeal Court have refused leave to appeal. And awarded all costs to the complainants.
I'd be a bit pissed off were I one of them. Isn't that effectively saying that there's no reasonable ground for reaching an alternative decision - even though the High Court did exactly that?
I don't get it either.
It effectively gives Labour (and any other group with rules along similar lines) the right to act in a capricious manner to gerrymander an election result - and the courts will refuse to intervene.
Personally I would have thought the law of the land regarding contracts trumped anything in a party rule book. At least it should.
Labour is not a company and so the relationship is not a consumer/supplier one. When you join a political party you are bound by its rulebook and the Labour rulebook states the NEC sets the rules. It's not as if freezes have not been applied in the past.
I didn't say it was a company. But a contractual arrangement does exist between a party and the members (as was shown by the first judgement)
And this freeze (and massive price increase) should have been judged as to whether it was 'reasonable' within the framework of the rules (which Labour forgot to mention at the time of the first case)
And there is a strong case to be made that it was a clear attempt to manipulate the outcome of the election and was not reasonable - particularly in light of the votes for the Mayoral candidates which didn't have to be bought for £25 a go.
It is wrong. Everyone knows it is wrong. But the Appeal Court have relied on one very narrow view of a very poorly written rule - and denied people what was a clearly given role in party democracy.
Labour (and the lawyers) should be ashamed of themselves.
Three CoA judges - all senior to the original judge - have ruled comprehensively that he was wrong. They know the law better than we do.
Most likely, but they aren't infallible as both the lower court's decision shows and the need for a court above the appeals court.
Having read the Appeal court judgement, I feel I should read more - there's something entertaining satisfying about seeing an argument detailed and then taken apart piece by piece. Not as satisfying as the judgement in the Luftur Rahman case though.
Marist, so it goes to the bin, along side Fox, Rassmusen and Reuters.
Since Trump has no campaign (almost no staff and no ads), it probably would not make any difference if no one did give him money.
Hillary needs 100$ million a month, Trump probably 10$ million, he is so Scrooge he is being outspent by the Green Party.
Marist are rated "A" by 538 with a 88% correct races called ratio over 146 polls. If it's good enough for Nate then I'm not quibbling.
Didn't "Nate" say there was no realistic prospect of Trump even becoming the Republican nominee?
He probably believed what Marist said that Ted Cruz was going to win the GOP nomination in February. That was the point I started to have doubts about the accuracy of Marist, they did a sudden change and produced very different results that were disproven by the voting.
So I've blacklisted them along with Rassmusen, Fox (for obvious bias reasons) and Reuters (for messy methodology which themselves acknowledged).
Mr. Jessop, the question of ownership is an interesting one.
If one country gets a critical advantage in space-based weaponry, that would prove a dramatic moment in our history.
Moving Mars by Greg Bear is a great read (but you have to like dry hard-sf) on interplanetary warfare. It's £3 on Kindle if you dally with such new-fangled contraptions.
Farcial decision from the High Court judges. Does this set a precedent allowing any Company to advertise on their webpages and take money for a product or a service that is not as described? Simply because the ruling body of that Company changed their minds?
No. It simply means that when you sign up to an unincorporated association, which is what the Labour Party is, you accept the rules of that association.
Amused to see Corbyn's spokesman describing the second clause in the section of the rulebook covering elections of national officers as "an obscure clause in the Labour Party rules". The only clause that comes before it just says that elections must be fair, open and transparent and must comply with the party's rules and NEC guidelines. This "obscure" clause basically says that the NEC can vary the rules and issue procedural guidelines for the conduct of elections.
The clause they relied on to get Corbyn on the ballot was Chapter 4, clause II, 2.B.ii and is just a little bit further down p14 of the 2016 rulebook. Presumably that is not an obscure clause!
Corbyn and his acolytes leaving the NEC meeting early, as soon as they knew he was on the ballot may be the biggest mistake since the PLP put Corbyn himself on the ballot.
It does seem odd to me that Corbyn left the NEC early before all business was done. Does he not care for the mundane work of such a body?
It was a classic AOB stinger. Someone knows their meeting dirty tricks!
Mr. Jessop, the question of ownership is an interesting one.
If one country gets a critical advantage in space-based weaponry, that would prove a dramatic moment in our history.
Once you can put significant weights into orbit, or pull asteroids into LEO, you don't need complex weapons. Just direct an inert mass down onto the Earth below.
The US had a plan to drop ?tungsten? rods from a Blackbird plane flying at high altitude. By the time they hit the ground, the force of their impact would be massive.
Between the N.H primary and the S.Carolina primary, something wrong happened to Marist and they keep churning crap since then, I think they changed their methodology back then.
Their accuracy is now on the category of Rassmusen, Fox and Reuters, if I accept Marist then I have to accept all those other deeply flawed pollsters. I'm not going to debase the poling accuracy of my averages by adding even a single of those 4 pollsters.
Poppycock.
What you churn out is a matter for you. I and other PBers will determine whether to rate your prognostications more favourably than the denizens of 538.
Didn't "Nate" say there was no realistic prospect of Trump even becoming the Republican nominee?
He did and conceded where he got it wrong. That doesn't invalidate the pollster ratings where the data is there for all to see.
Polls 3 months out are only straws in the wind, and always useful to see if they stand scruitiny.
It looks to me that those straws in the wind are being grasped at by the Trumpites. How does he win over the swing voters in swing states? I can see no plausible path.
As I ventured earlier today presumably the new NEC with its new Corbynite majority can change the rule again and cancel what had been decided thereby allowing the 130, 000 to vote. Would not need an Appeal. On the other hand it appears a lot of the 130, 000 may have a vote anyway if they are registered. What a total cock up.
Farcial decision from the High Court judges. Does this set a precedent allowing any Company to advertise on their webpages and take money for a product or a service that is not as described? Simply because the ruling body of that Company changed their minds?
No. It simply means that when you sign up to an unincorporated association, which is what the Labour Party is, you accept the rules of that association.
Not much comfort to those who signed up in May, with the message "Join the Labour Party and have a vote in our leadership election"
Mr. L, aye. I'm not terribly convinced. As long as no one country has an overwhelming advantage, mutually assured destruction will probably maintain balance.
Mr. Jessop, yeah, I've heard about the tungsten rods.
Which surprises me, now I think of it, as the Romans never had them... how peculiar. Anyway, you're quite right that artificial meteorites slamming into the Earth are rather effective weapons.
Incidentally, Ralph Kern uses a comparable strike on a moon of Jupiter in either Endeavour or Erebus (I get them confused, but I think it's Erebus).
Mr. M, I do have a Kindle but hard SF is not my kettle of fish.
As I ventured earlier today presumably the new NEC with its new Corbynite majority can change the rule again and cancel what had been decided thereby allowing the 130, 000 to vote. Would not need an Appeal.
I hadn't considered that. If the ruling boiled down to that the NEC was not restrained in the manner the High Court judge thought in these matters, that it was granted under the rules the ability to make vast changes to the rules in such a way, then presumably the NEC could indeed now make all sorts of changes that would benefit today's losing side.
Between the N.H primary and the S.Carolina primary, something wrong happened to Marist and they keep churning crap since then, I think they changed their methodology back then.
Their accuracy is now on the category of Rassmusen, Fox and Reuters, if I accept Marist then I have to accept all those other deeply flawed pollsters. I'm not going to debase the poling accuracy of my averages by adding even a single of those 4 pollsters.
Poppycock.
What you churn out is a matter for you. I and other PBers will determine whether to rate your prognostications more favourably than the denizens of 538.
My money is with Mr Silver.
Did you lose a lot betting on Mr.Silver's outdated judgement during the primaries ?
I call a spade a spade, if Marist suddently since then has produced numbers that are crap, then it's crap.
Same for Rassmusen, Fox and Reuters. Why should I judge them differently than Marist if their results are equally crap ?
Simply because Marist is more favourable to Hillary that doesn't mean I thing, I never use the pro-Trump Rassmusen and Fox ones, so why should I use Marist ? If they are equally crap but in different directions that doesn't make them less crap.
As I ventured earlier today presumably the new NEC with its new Corbynite majority can change the rule again and cancel what had been decided thereby allowing the 130, 000 to vote. Would not need an Appeal.
I hadn't considered that. If the ruling boiled down to that the NEC was not restrained in the manner the High Court judge thought in these matters, that it was granted under the rules the ability to make vast changes to the rules in such a way, then presumably the NEC could indeed now make all sorts of changes that would benefit today's losing side.
Not until after Conference and thus the leadership election will the memebership change.
So now I don't get to vote in Lab election afterall.
Actually I would not have anyway as my union followed up their original email with a further one with a form that had to be filled in with personal details and declaration that you were not in any political party other than Labour and you support the aims and values of Labour.
Wasnt prepared to lie on the second aspect so that was that. I fear your average far left loon won't feel so constrained to be truthful.
As I ventured earlier today presumably the new NEC with its new Corbynite majority can change the rule again and cancel what had been decided thereby allowing the 130, 000 to vote. Would not need an Appeal.
I hadn't considered that. If the ruling boiled down to that the NEC was not restrained in the manner the High Court judge thought in these matters, that it was granted under the rules the ability to make vast changes to the rules in such a way, then presumably the NEC could indeed now make all sorts of changes that would benefit today's losing side.
I was surprised that the lower court ruled the way they did in the first place. Unless rules of party forbade NEC from doing it I thought they could do as they see fit
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Where as swimming if you aren't on WR pace in most events you aren't in with a shot.
Mr. Cole's thought about Polish Jews might be nearer the mark. East End of London family, matriarchal side a couple of generations back from Eastern Europe by the the name Stein/Steiner (they seem not to have been able to make their mind up) and reputedly, according to family legend, anglicised to that from something unpronounceable in Shoreditch at the time.
Zip2
Paypal
Then, Tesla
He's aiming at a $500,000 price point for the Mars trip. Some people wold just go for the adventure, coming back later. The trick will be in making Mars liveable enough for people to want to live there (and to do so healthily). That last point is where the problem may lie, rather than the technology of getting there.
Hull are newly promoted but can only field 9 fit senior players and some of those out of position. Their goalie hasn't played a competitive match for 6 months. They have no manager, no signings, a mad owner and fans in meltdown.
Evens is great value, but Leicester -1 or -2 probably good value too.
Get this for a tweeted squad photo by Hull:
http://www.90min.com/posts/3569194-hull-city-s-curtis-davies-pokes-fun-at-his-own-club-with-brilliant-squad-photo?utm_medium=share&utm_source=fotmob
1993 Spaniard. 2.45m
1967 without altitude Men, 1988 Women https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long_jump_world_record_progression
1985 men 1989 women https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long_jump_world_record_progression Jonathon Edwards still has it!
Expensive Electric cars at a time of cheap oil, ok you could persuade suckers to invest by promising a bright future when oil becomes extremely expensive.
Rockets, ok you could persuade suckers to invest by promising government contracts.
But Mars? Even if Musk has Hillary in his pocket it's beyond the level of the believable even for suckers.
Although he has a rival from Bezos (of Amazon fame) and his Blue Origin space company. Although Bezos's sub-orbital rocket looks too much like a dildo for my liking. He won't just go to space; he's going to f**k space...
http://i.ndtvimg.com/i/2016-04/blue-origin-rocket-launch_650x400_81459638082.jpg
Or is it an effort to diguise himself from the public ?
But I agree, it looks abnormal, probably because we have never seen him like that.
"At the end of the fight the Egyptian Islam El Shehaby refused to shake the hand of Israeli competitor Or Sasson, in a major breach of judo etiquette. Judo players typically bow or shake hands at the beginning and end of a match, as a sign of respect in the Japanese martial art. When Sasson extended his hand, El Shehaby backed away, shaking his head. The Israeli then walked off in disgust. Prior to the fight, El Shahaby had come under pressure from Islamist-leaning and nationalist voices in Egypt to withdraw entirely.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3736257/Defeated-Egyptian-judoka-REFUSES-shake-hands-Israeli-rival-fans-pressured-not-shame-Islam-taking-part.html
Boys with toys.
Also I'm surprised that Bezos bought the Washington Post, I thought he didn't need political protection.
http://prostheticknowledge.tumblr.com/post/148753478056/synchronized-solo-diving-the-best-olympics-related
http://www.politico.com/blogs/swing-states-2016-election/2016/08/poll-clinton-trump-colorado-north-carolina-virginia-226955
Agree glad he's out.
Mars is many times the distance of the Moon.
The cost of maintaining a space colony in either the Moon or Mars would make business sence only if they find large gold deposits.
The science is there, but it would never make a profit, only giant loses.
Not if you had to get it from Mars.
Since Trump has no campaign (almost no staff and no ads), it probably would not make any difference if no one did give him money.
Hillary needs 100$ million a month, Trump probably 10$ million, he is so Scrooge he is being outspent by the Green Party.
"You see things pushed along sometimes - you think of Bob Beamon in the long jump - but I'm not sure what to make of that to be honest. I will be interested to hear what Ayana has to say afterwards."
An amazing performance, Ayana really showed her stuff.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SDCGSsOaLDA
https://t.co/vMFkLHsef7
Do we know if actually the Moon, Mars and the Asteroids have any precious metals able to be mined ?
A detailed geological and mineralogy survey is needed first.
They're planning a project to land a derivative of their current capsule called Red Dragon (unmanned) on Mars, perhaps launching as early as 2018 (if they miss that, they'll have to wait two years for the next opportunity).
Although they'll have to get their Falcon Heavy rocket flying for that, and that's much, much delayed.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Dragon_(spacecraft)
(*) This is one of the assumptions the project relies on.
Now it may eventually be possible to construct a rocket to travel to Mars in HEO or MEO to reduce the requirements but engineering problems are even more massive.
The clause they relied on to get Corbyn on the ballot was Chapter 4, clause II, 2.B.ii and is just a little bit further down p14 of the 2016 rulebook. Presumably that is not an obscure clause!
Who/what is it that I have nailed?
Between the N.H primary and the S.Carolina primary, something wrong happened to Marist and they keep churning crap since then, I think they changed their methodology back then.
Their accuracy is now on the category of Rassmusen, Fox and Reuters, if I accept Marist then I have to accept all those other deeply flawed pollsters.
I'm not going to debase the poling accuracy of my averages by adding even a single of those 4 pollsters.
http://gizmodo.com/this-mining-company-plans-to-land-on-an-asteroid-in-thr-1785112235
If one country gets a critical advantage in space-based weaponry, that would prove a dramatic moment in our history.
That was the point I started to have doubts about the accuracy of Marist, they did a sudden change and produced very different results that were disproven by the voting.
So I've blacklisted them along with Rassmusen, Fox (for obvious bias reasons) and Reuters (for messy methodology which themselves acknowledged).
It does seem odd to me that Corbyn left the NEC early before all business was done. Does he not care for the mundane work of such a body?
It was a classic AOB stinger. Someone knows their meeting dirty tricks!
The US had a plan to drop ?tungsten? rods from a Blackbird plane flying at high altitude. By the time they hit the ground, the force of their impact would be massive.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kinetic_bombardment
And the US used a form (though not from space) in Vietnam:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lazy_Dog_(bomb)
Who is offering these odds ?
What you churn out is a matter for you. I and other PBers will determine whether to rate your prognostications more favourably than the denizens of 538.
My money is with Mr Silver.
It looks to me that those straws in the wind are being grasped at by the Trumpites. How does he win over the swing voters in swing states? I can see no plausible path.
On the other hand it appears a lot of the 130, 000 may have a vote anyway if they are registered.
What a total cock up.
Mr. Jessop, yeah, I've heard about the tungsten rods.
Which surprises me, now I think of it, as the Romans never had them... how peculiar. Anyway, you're quite right that artificial meteorites slamming into the Earth are rather effective weapons.
Incidentally, Ralph Kern uses a comparable strike on a moon of Jupiter in either Endeavour or Erebus (I get them confused, but I think it's Erebus).
Mr. M, I do have a Kindle but hard SF is not my kettle of fish.
Kasich 350-400
Pence 820-950
Not much movement.
I believe you called it a "space cannon"
The space cannon (officially the MD StarGun) laughs in the face of puny gravity.
I call a spade a spade, if Marist suddently since then has produced numbers that are crap, then it's crap.
Same for Rassmusen, Fox and Reuters.
Why should I judge them differently than Marist if their results are equally crap ?
Simply because Marist is more favourable to Hillary that doesn't mean I thing, I never use the pro-Trump Rassmusen and Fox ones, so why should I use Marist ?
If they are equally crap but in different directions that doesn't make them less crap.
Bah must have been exemplary in the rest of the test.
Actually I would not have anyway as my union followed up their original email with a further one with a form that had to be filled in with personal details and declaration that you were not in any political party other than Labour and you support the aims and values of Labour.
Wasnt prepared to lie on the second aspect so that was that. I fear your average far left loon won't feel so constrained to be truthful.
17 mile range for a single shot.
Ability to hit planes at heights of 50,000 ft.
Now that is a nice toy!