They should change the dressage scoring system a bit tbh, monstrously loud aids by the germans compared to Carl Hester say.
Can't get over all the empty seats - so disappointing.
Watching now – virtually empty, even the seats designated for the press is less than half full.
What a difference from Greenwich Hospital and the superb view across the Thames to Canary.
htps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=urMEKrFW9Ic
That's incredible. The difference
I'd forgotten there were jam packed stands. For the horse dancing.
I was in that crowd! It's the only thing I got tickets for, apart from one women's football event - (France versus Japan at Wembley, also sold out and also brilliant atmosphere)
I think Rio has largely organised it well and the venues look fine. Brazil is not a rich country and had a 4% decline in GDP this year, and that is the fundamental problem. The Brazil World Cup in 2014 was one of the best ever, but that was a single sport.
I can see the need for it to move around the world, but Olympic bids are very expensive and usually leave behind a poisonous financial legacy. We should not expect ever increasing shows if we want anyone other than G7 countries hosting.
I cannot see Britain hosting another for a few decades, but if a quick alternative for a 2018 or 2022 World Cup was needed then we could easily step into the breach.
Brazil is the 8th largest economy in the world
It used to be sixth and has been in recession since 2014.
Maybe but given there are 195 countries in the world, 8th out of 195 makes it a pretty rich country to me, even if rather closer to average on gdp per capita terms
It's the usual problem with headline stats. GDP per capita is back at 2010 levels in a country with ~9% inflation. A lot of of very poor folk in Brazil.
Though as SeanT points out China produced an excellent games with a much lower gdp per capita than Brazil
Incomes in Brazil aren't as high as in London but the ticket prices are similar.
What am I saying - let us get SeanT about it. London in 2012 was almost at the peak of its 30-year frothy bubble which burst in June. It was and is chocked full of the global top 1% and 0.1% who burn money on a weekly basis on things like secret cinemas, Harrods and cereal cafés, and 2012 was in retrospect part of a blessedly optimistic era - it didn't seem so at the time - before Charlie Hebdo, the Bataclan, MH17, baby-deformity-conferring mosquitoes, or the undeniability of pervasive corruption in sport - only the threat of riots to keep people away.
why are we so good at cycling I would've thought the Dutch and other Europeans would be better.
Sky
Though some success in track cycling started well before them, they've turned some success on the track into ?4? Tour de France titles.
I wonder how much could be put down to Boardman and Obree (who rode some of the time on a bike he made himself, I think including parts from a washing machine).
They should change the dressage scoring system a bit tbh, monstrously loud aids by the germans compared to Carl Hester say.
Can't get over all the empty seats - so disappointing.
Watching now – virtually empty, even the seats designated for the press is less than half full.
What a difference from Greenwich Hospital and the superb view across the Thames to Canary.
htps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=urMEKrFW9Ic
That's incredible. The difference
I'd forgotten there were jam packed stands. For the horse dancing.
I was in that crowd! It's the only thing I got tickets for, apart from one women's football event - (France versus Japan at Wembley, also sold out and also brilliant atmosphere)
I think Rio has largely organised it well and the venues look fine. Brazil is not a rich country and had a 4% decline in GDP this year, and that is the fundamental problem. The Brazil World Cup in 2014 was one of the best ever, but that was a single sport.
I cannot see Britain hosting another for a few decades, but if a quick alternative for a 2018 or 2022 World Cup was needed then we could easily step into the breach.
Brazil is the 8th largest economy in the world
It used to be sixth and has been in recession since 2014.
Maybe but given there are 195 countries in the world, 8th out of 195 makes it a pretty rich country to me, even if rather closer to average on gdp per capita terms
It's the usual problem with headline stats. GDP per capita is back at 2010 levels in a country with ~9% inflation. A lot of of very poor folk in Brazil.
Though as SeanT points out China produced an excellent games with a much lower gdp per capita than Brazil
Fair point. I'm only arguing for the sake of it. I would imagine the Chinese authorities could more easily say "Full attendance please, or some of you will be goat herding in Xinjiang for the next eleventy billion years".
Can't get over all the empty seats - so disappointing.
Watching now – virtually empty, even the seats designated for the press is less than half full.
What a difference from Greenwich Hospital and the superb view across the Thames to Canary.
htps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=urMEKrFW9Ic
That's incredible. The difference
I'd forgotten there were jam packed stands. For the horse dancing.
I was in that crowd! It's the only thing I got tickets for, apart from one women's football event - (France versus Japan at Wembley, also sold out
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I cannot see Britain hosting ano
Brazil is the 8th largest economy in the world
It used to be sixth and has been in recession since 2014.
Maybe but g
Brazil is a developing country, but its GDP per capita is TWICE that of China's. TWICE. And the Brazilian economy is large, as you say.
They should be able to organise a decent Games and, given their huge population, they should be able to guarantee packed stadia
This is embarrassing. It just goes to show what an achievement Beijing was for a poor nation (in per capita terms) and what an achievement London was (in terms of attendance, enthusiasm, ambience - and legacy)
Indeed, after two outstanding games we were due a poor one though I think Brazil has been unlucky in that it
One thing that has struck me is the sheer beauty of Rio. I had no idea it was such a stunning topography. All those islands.
Rio is basically one of the two world cities I've never seen, along with Beijing. I am now determined to see it.
Yes the best bit of the opening ceremony was the mock flight by the actor playing Santos Dumont over Rio, by the statue of Christ the Redeemer and towards the beaches and islands, spectacular!
On the other hand, one more gold and we leapfrog Japan into THIRD
Which is pretty bloody incredible for a nation of just 65m people
Looking like a silver in a sailing event - just waiting confirmation
I'm hoping we capsize. There is nothing more depressing than watching rich English public school Tories winning sailing, riding, and rowing medals at the Olympic games. Fantastic to see Fiji demolish our public school boy Tory 7's.
Come on Wiggins, Athletics, Murray and most of all Boxing GB. Some medals are worth loads more than others.
On the other hand, one more gold and we leapfrog Japan into THIRD
Which is pretty bloody incredible for a nation of just 65m people
Looking like a silver in a sailing event - just waiting confirmation
I'm hoping we capsize. There is nothing more depressing than watching rich English public school Tories winning sailing, riding, and rowing medals at the Olympic games. Fantastic to see Fiji demolish our public school boy Tory 7's.
Come on Wiggins, Athletics, Murray and most of all Boxing GB. Some medals are worth loads more than others.
Show me on this dolly where the nasty Tory touched you.
They should change the dressage scoring system a bit tbh, monstrously loud aids by the germans compared to Carl Hester say.
Can't get over all the empty seats - so disappointing.
Watching now – virtually empty, even the seats designated for the press is less than half full.
What a difference from Greenwich Hospital and the superb view across the Thames to Canary.
Though as SeanT points out China produced an excellent games with a much lower gdp per capita than Brazil
Fair point. I'm only arguing for the sake of it. I would imagine the Chinese authorities could more easily say "Full attendance please, or some of you will be goat herding in Xinjiang for the next eleventy billion years".
I think I remember some suspicion of some of the spectators- as they were wearing the same uniform caps or something.
Rio's big problem is that it isn't really that safe a city, is miles from anywhere and Brazilians couldn't really give a hoot about anything that their own aren't in.
From what I've read this evening, the Rio crowds have apparently been shocking - when they HAVE turned up. Booing and abusive, and shouting "Zika!" at women they don't like. Nice.
It's South Africa with the bloody World Cup and the vuvuzelas all over again.
Not at all, apparently more than usual booing is just a part of unique atmosphere. Don't forget there are six types of booing, including booing for fun
Re reading the article I feel the opening was written by someone other than the main bits, since it opens stating that the level of noise from booing has been higher than other Games, then tries to excuse it later by saying its nothing new, despite the premise of the article being the amount of it (if not the existence of it) is in fact new.
why are we so good at cycling I would've thought the Dutch and other Europeans would be better.
Because we view cycling primarily as a sport, whereas they view it primarily as a means for getting from A to B? That's certainly the case in Germany - see all the bikes parked outside train stations.
On the other hand, one more gold and we leapfrog Japan into THIRD
Which is pretty bloody incredible for a nation of just 65m people
Looking like a silver in a sailing event - just waiting confirmation
I'm hoping we capsize. There is nothing more depressing than watching rich English public school Tories winning sailing, riding, and rowing medals at the Olympic games. Fantastic to see Fiji demolish our public school boy Tory 7's.
Come on Wiggins, Athletics, Murray and most of all Boxing GB. Some medals are worth loads more than others.
On the other hand, one more gold and we leapfrog Japan into THIRD
Which is pretty bloody incredible for a nation of just 65m people
Looking like a silver in a sailing event - just waiting confirmation
I'm hoping we capsize. There is nothing more depressing than watching rich English public school Tories winning sailing, riding, and rowing medals at the Olympic games. Fantastic to see Fiji demolish our public school boy Tory 7's.
Come on Wiggins, Athletics, Murray and most of all Boxing GB. Some medals are worth loads more than others.
Are Athletics medals won by public school Tories still worth winning though?
I love the analyst's comments though. It is but a foreshadowing of the doom ahead. On investment plans:
“The main concerns they have are about maintaining the arrangements that facilitate travel — open skies, soft checks for visas, EU drivers licence, health cards, consumer rights protection — many of which may cease to exist once Brexit is complete.”
I can honestly say I have never considered consumer rights protection before selecting a holiday destination!
On the other hand, one more gold and we leapfrog Japan into THIRD
Which is pretty bloody incredible for a nation of just 65m people
Looking like a silver in a sailing event - just waiting confirmation
I'm hoping we capsize. There is nothing more depressing than watching rich English public school Tories winning sailing, riding, and rowing medals at the Olympic games. Fantastic to see Fiji demolish our public school boy Tory 7's.
Come on Wiggins, Athletics, Murray and most of all Boxing GB. Some medals are worth loads more than others.
Not all showjumpers are wealthy, the ES had piece this week about one whose father was a builder and mother a secretary on the Isle of Wight. Of course most sailors, riders and rowers cannot hope to get anywhere near the $5 million a year Andy Murray makes
They should change the dressage scoring system a bit tbh, monstrously loud aids by the germans compared to Carl Hester say.
Can't get over all the empty seats - so disappointing.
Watching now – virtually empty, even the seats designated for the press is less than half full.
What a difference from Greenwich Hospital and the superb view across the Thames to Canary.
htps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=urMEKrFW9Ic
That's incredible. The difference
I'd forgotten there were jam packed stands. For the horse dancing.
I was in that crowd! It's the only thing I got tickets for, apart from one women's football event - (France versus Japan at Wembley, also sold out and also brilliant atmosphere)
I cannot see Britain hosting another for a few decades, but if a quick alternative for a 2018 or 2022 World Cup was needed then we could easily step into the breach.
Brazil is the 8th largest economy in the world
It used to be sixth and has been in recession since 2014.
Maybe but given there are 195 countries in the world, 8th out of 195 makes it a pretty rich country to me, even if rather closer to average on gdp per capita terms
It's the usual problem with headline stats. GDP per capita is back at 2010 levels in a country with ~9% inflation. A lot of of very poor folk in Brazil.
Though as SeanT points out China produced an excellent games with a much lower gdp per capita than Brazil
Fair point. I'm only arguing for the sake of it. I would imagine the Chinese authorities could more easily say "Full attendance please, or some of you will be goat herding in Xinjiang for the next eleventy billion years".
Indeed, China's government does at least know how to organise, unlike the present chaotic leaders in charge of Brazil
I'm hoping we capsize. There is nothing more depressing than watching rich English public school Tories winning sailing, riding, and rowing medals at the Olympic games. Fantastic to see Fiji demolish our public school boy Tory 7's.
I love the analyst's comments though. It is but a foreshadowing of the doom ahead. On investment plans:
“The main concerns they have are about maintaining the arrangements that facilitate travel — open skies, soft checks for visas, EU drivers licence, health cards, consumer rights protection — many of which may cease to exist once Brexit is complete.”
I can honestly say I have never considered consumer rights protection before selecting a holiday destination!
You may not have, but it might be a consideration for someone who has been saving for ages for a holiday to e.g. Greece as to whether they have a chance of a refund it turns out to be crap!
I love the analyst's comments though. It is but a foreshadowing of the doom ahead. On investment plans:
“The main concerns they have are about maintaining the arrangements that facilitate travel — open skies, soft checks for visas, EU drivers licence, health cards, consumer rights protection — many of which may cease to exist once Brexit is complete.”
I can honestly say I have never considered consumer rights protection before selecting a holiday destination!
The thing that bothers me is how lazy these concerns are. A US visitor can drive on a US license for up to a year, and that applies to the majority of countries (per the gov.uk website). We have visa free/voa/vol agreements with 175 countries. The idea that we're going to abolish consumer rights on Brexit is just fucking stupid. The only reason open skies would be an issue is if the EU decides to make it an issue.
On the other hand, one more gold and we leapfrog Japan into THIRD
Which is pretty bloody incredible for a nation of just 65m people
Looking like a silver in a sailing event - just waiting confirmation
I'm hoping we capsize. There is nothing more depressing than watching rich English public school Tories winning sailing, riding, and rowing medals at the Olympic games. Fantastic to see Fiji demolish our public school boy Tory 7's.
Come on Wiggins, Athletics, Murray and most of all Boxing GB. Some medals are worth loads more than others.
Are Athletics medals won by public school Tories still worth winning though?
On the other hand, one more gold and we leapfrog Japan into THIRD
Which is pretty bloody incredible for a nation of just 65m people
Looking like a silver in a sailing event - just waiting confirmation
I'm hoping we capsize. There is nothing more depressing than watching rich English public school Tories winning sailing, riding, and rowing medals at the Olympic games. Fantastic to see Fiji demolish our public school boy Tory 7's.
Come on Wiggins, Athletics, Murray and most of all Boxing GB. Some medals are worth loads more than others.
Are Athletics medals won by public school Tories still worth winning though?
How about Oscars?
That depends if they deride their Etonian upbringing or not.
On the other hand, one more gold and we leapfrog Japan into THIRD
Which is pretty bloody incredible for a nation of just 65m people
Looking like a silver in a sailing event - just waiting confirmation
I'm hoping we capsize. There is nothing more depressing than watching rich English public school Tories winning sailing, riding, and rowing medals at the Olympic games. Fantastic to see Fiji demolish our public school boy Tory 7's.
Come on Wiggins, Athletics, Murray and most of all Boxing GB. Some medals are worth loads more than others.
Not all showjumpers are wealthy, the ES had piece this week about one whose father was a builder and mother a secretary on the Isle of Wight. Of course most sailors, riders and rowers cannot hope to get anywhere near the $5 million a year Andy Murray makes
There's one thing worse than the blue blooded Tory horse and hound (add rowing, sailing and rugger) brigade. And that is the sad fuckers who aspire to their lifestyle.
Come on Wiggins, Trott, and Murray, Jessica, Farah. Peaty and our boxers.
On the other hand, one more gold and we leapfrog Japan into THIRD
Which is pretty bloody incredible for a nation of just 65m people
Looking like a silver in a sailing event - just waiting confirmation
I'm hoping we capsize. There is nothing more depressing than watching rich English public school Tories winning sailing, riding, and rowing medals at the Olympic games. Fantastic to see Fiji demolish our public school boy Tory 7's.
Come on Wiggins, Athletics, Murray and most of all Boxing GB. Some medals are worth loads more than others.
Show me on this dolly where the nasty Tory touched you.
I love the analyst's comments though. It is but a foreshadowing of the doom ahead. On investment plans:
“The main concerns they have are about maintaining the arrangements that facilitate travel — open skies, soft checks for visas, EU drivers licence, health cards, consumer rights protection — many of which may cease to exist once Brexit is complete.”
I can honestly say I have never considered consumer rights protection before selecting a holiday destination!
You may not have, but it might be a consideration for someone who has been saving for ages for a holiday to e.g. Greece as to whether they have a chance of a refund it turns out to be crap!
ATOL protected should work
(Although if it's just crap then it's caveat emptor)
On the other hand, one more gold and we leapfrog Japan into THIRD
Which is pretty bloody incredible for a nation of just 65m people
Looking like a silver in a sailing event - just waiting confirmation
I'm hoping we capsize. There is nothing more depressing than watching rich English public school Tories winning sailing, riding, and rowing medals at the Olympic games. Fantastic to see Fiji demolish our public school boy Tory 7's.
Come on Wiggins, Athletics, Murray and most of all Boxing GB. Some medals are worth loads more than others.
Not all showjumpers are wealthy, the ES had piece this week about one whose father was a builder and mother a secretary on the Isle of Wight. Of course most sailors, riders and rowers cannot hope to get anywhere near the $5 million a year Andy Murray makes
There's one thing worse than the blue blooded Tory horse and hound (add rowing, saying and rugger) brigade. And that is the sad fuckers who aspire to their lifestyle.
Come on Wiggins, Trott, and Murray, Jessica, Farah. Peaty and our boxers.
I've always thought professional cyclists seemed pretty posh, with all that specialist equipment and fancy velodromes, seems like the sort of sport only rich people get into. Running, Jumping, feats of strength, that's proper sport. Also Cricket (I give it a pass on the poshness because unlike cycling I enjoy it).
I love the analyst's comments though. It is but a foreshadowing of the doom ahead. On investment plans:
“The main concerns they have are about maintaining the arrangements that facilitate travel — open skies, soft checks for visas, EU drivers licence, health cards, consumer rights protection — many of which may cease to exist once Brexit is complete.”
I can honestly say I have never considered consumer rights protection before selecting a holiday destination!
You may not have, but it might be a consideration for someone who has been saving for ages for a holiday to e.g. Greece as to whether they have a chance of a refund it turns out to be crap!
ATOL protected should work
(Although if it's just crap then it's caveat emptor)
Ultimately we seem to manage to host the other 168 countries' visitors. I'm sure we'll struggle through the challenges of adding 27 more to the list.
On the other hand, one more gold and we leapfrog Japan into THIRD
Which is pretty bloody incredible for a nation of just 65m people
Looking like a silver in a sailing event - just waiting confirmation
I'm hoping we capsize. There is nothing more depressing than watching rich English public school Tories winning sailing, riding, and rowing medals at the Olympic games. Fantastic to see Fiji demolish our public school boy Tory 7's.
Come on Wiggins, Athletics, Murray and most of all Boxing GB. Some medals are worth loads more than others.
You really are just a bitter twisted excuse for a human
Do cyclists need to drop out of the team pursuit? The Denmark riders were all over the place at the end and not in a line. Does this matter?
The time gets taken from the third rider to cross the line. So for efficiency it's best to have on rider absolutely give their all and then peel off before the end.
Denmark screwed up by breaking the line, cycling in someone's slipstream is much less effort for the same speed.
I love the analyst's comments though. It is but a foreshadowing of the doom ahead. On investment plans:
“The main concerns they have are about maintaining the arrangements that facilitate travel — open skies, soft checks for visas, EU drivers licence, health cards, consumer rights protection — many of which may cease to exist once Brexit is complete.”
I can honestly say I have never considered consumer rights protection before selecting a holiday destination!
You may not have, but it might be a consideration for someone who has been saving for ages for a holiday to e.g. Greece as to whether they have a chance of a refund it turns out to be crap!
ATOL protected should work
(Although if it's just crap then it's caveat emptor)
Ultimately we seem to manage to host the other 168 countries' visitors. I'm sure we'll struggle through the challenges of adding 27 more to the list.
On the other hand, one more gold and we leapfrog Japan into THIRD
Which is pretty bloody incredible for a nation of just 65m people
Looking like a silver in a sailing event - just waiting confirmation
I'm hoping we capsize. There is nothing more depressing than watching rich English public school Tories winning sailing, riding, and rowing medals at the Olympic games. Fantastic to see Fiji demolish our public school boy Tory 7's.
Come on Wiggins, Athletics, Murray and most of all Boxing GB. Some medals are worth loads more than others.
Heh
sometimes I feel sorry for the Labour party then when I read post's like that I remember how tribal and nasty the left is - and I think bring on two decades of tory rule. Hahahahah.
Though as SeanT points out China produced an excellent games with a much lower gdp per capita than Brazil
Fair point. I'm only arguing for the sake of it. I would imagine the Chinese authorities could more easily say "Full attendance please, or some of you will be goat herding in Xinjiang for the next eleventy billion years".
Indeed, China's government does at least know how to organise, unlike the present chaotic leaders in charge of Brazil
Democracies are rubbish at making big things happen because the mob demands that money be spent on mitigating human suffering rather than concrete for foreigners to admire. I would guess that in Brazil, people do not do the will of the government, if the government merely asks them to do so. No-one had to be told to go to the Olympics in London either, but London is one of the most massively wealthy cities in the world full of unburdened young professionals looking for conspicuous experiential consumption.
On the other hand, one more gold and we leapfrog Japan into THIRD
Which is pretty bloody incredible for a nation of just 65m people
Looking like a silver in a sailing event - just waiting confirmation
I'm hoping we capsize. There is nothing more depressing than watching rich English public school Tories winning sailing, riding, and rowing medals at the Olympic games. Fantastic to see Fiji demolish our public school boy Tory 7's.
Come on Wiggins, Athletics, Murray and most of all Boxing GB. Some medals are worth loads more than others.
The Tory sevens xD
On a point of fact I think the 7s wasn't that public school dominated (in relative terms).
On the other hand, one more gold and we leapfrog Japan into THIRD
Which is pretty bloody incredible for a nation of just 65m people
Looking like a silver in a sailing event - just waiting confirmation
I'm hoping we capsize. There is nothing more depressing than watching rich English public school Tories winning sailing, riding, and rowing medals at the Olympic games. Fantastic to see Fiji demolish our public school boy Tory 7's.
Come on Wiggins, Athletics, Murray and most of all Boxing GB. Some medals are worth loads more than others.
The Tory sevens xD
On a point of fact I think the 7s wasn't that public school dominated (in relative terms).
On the other hand, one more gold and we leapfrog Japan into THIRD
Which is pretty bloody incredible for a nation of just 65m people
Looking like a silver in a sailing event - just waiting confirmation
I'm hoping we capsize. There is nothing more depressing than watching rich English public school Tories winning sailing, riding, and rowing medals at the Olympic games. Fantastic to see Fiji demolish our public school boy Tory 7's.
Come on Wiggins, Athletics, Murray and most of all Boxing GB. Some medals are worth loads more than others.
Not all showjumpers are wealthy, the ES had piece this week about one whose father was a builder and mother a secretary on the Isle of Wight. Of course most sailors, riders and rowers cannot hope to get anywhere near the $5 million a year Andy Murray makes
There's one thing worse than the blue blooded Tory horse and hound (add rowing, sailing and rugger) brigade. And that is the sad fuckers who aspire to their lifestyle.
Come on Wiggins, Trott, and Murray, Jessica, Farah. Peaty and our boxers.
So if Corbyn ever becomes PM (god help us) does that mean when he has the reception for Olympic winners they would have to have passed the toffometer first? Will anyone who looks remotely Tory and upper middle class or went to a public school be refused entry as their gold medals don't count as they were won on the backs of the proletariat?
I would guess from the Brazilian national anthem that they don't give a f*ck about what other countries think of them: "... Brazil, a dream sublime, vivid ray of love and hope to earth descends, Where in your clear, pure, beauteous skies"... etc etc
On the other hand, one more gold and we leapfrog Japan into THIRD
Which is pretty bloody incredible for a nation of just 65m people
Looking like a silver in a sailing event - just waiting confirmation
I'm hoping we capsize. There is nothing more depressing than watching rich English public school Tories winning sailing, riding, and rowing medals at the Olympic games. Fantastic to see Fiji demolish our public school boy Tory 7's.
Come on Wiggins, Athletics, Murray and most of all Boxing GB. Some medals are worth loads more than others.
Though as SeanT points out China produced an excellent games with a much lower gdp per capita than Brazil
Fair point. I'm only arguing for the sake of it. I would imagine the Chinese authorities could more easily say "Full attendance please, or some of you will be goat herding in Xinjiang for the next eleventy billion years".
Indeed, China's government does at least know how to organise, unlike the present chaotic leaders in charge of Brazil
Democracies are rubbish at making big things happen because the mob demands that money be spent on mitigating human suffering rather than concrete for foreigners to admire. I would guess that in Brazil, people do not do the will of the government, if the government merely asks them to do so. No-one had to be told to go to the Olympics in London either, but London is one of the most massively wealthy cities in the world full of unburdened young professionals looking for conspicuous experiential consumption.
So future Olympics can either be held in wealthy democracies or dictatorships then? So Harare 2024? Damascus 2032? Pyongyang 2040? Rio may have been a better bet in the seventies when the generals were still in charge
On the other hand, one more gold and we leapfrog Japan into THIRD
Which is pretty bloody incredible for a nation of just 65m people
Looking like a silver in a sailing event - just waiting confirmation
I'm hoping we capsize. There is nothing more depressing than watching rich English public school Tories winning sailing, riding, and rowing medals at the Olympic games. Fantastic to see Fiji demolish our public school boy Tory 7's.
Come on Wiggins, Athletics, Murray and most of all Boxing GB. Some medals are worth loads more than others.
Heh
sometimes I feel sorry for the Labour party then when I read post's like that I remember how tribal and nasty the left is - and I think bring on two decades of tory rule. Hahahahah.
Indeed.
It is a fantastic time to be a Tory. When Labour crops up in everyday conversation it is almost certainly a criticism of them.
The UK is trending Tory and with any luck we will not see a Labour government for decades.
Though as SeanT points out China produced an excellent games with a much lower gdp per capita than Brazil
Fair point. I'm only arguing for the sake of it. I would imagine the Chinese authorities could more easily say "Full attendance please, or some of you will be goat herding in Xinjiang for the next eleventy billion years".
Indeed, China's government does at least know how to organise, unlike the present chaotic leaders in charge of Brazil
Democracies are rubbish at making big things happen because the mob demands that money be spent on mitigating human suffering rather than concrete for foreigners to admire. I would guess that in Brazil, people do not do the will of the government, if the government merely asks them to do so. No-one had to be told to go to the Olympics in London either, but London is one of the most massively wealthy cities in the world full of unburdened young professionals looking for conspicuous experiential consumption.
So future Olympics can either be held in wealthy democracies or dictatorships then? So Harare 2024? Damascus 2032? Pyongyang 2040?
One things for certain if it was Pyongyang the opening and closing ceremonies would put all others in the shade.
On the other hand, one more gold and we leapfrog Japan into THIRD
Which is pretty bloody incredible for a nation of just 65m people
Looking like a silver in a sailing event - just waiting confirmation
I'm hoping we capsize. There is nothing more depressing than watching rich English public school Tories winning sailing, riding, and rowing medals at the Olympic games. Fantastic to see Fiji demolish our public school boy Tory 7's.
Come on Wiggins, Athletics, Murray and most of all Boxing GB. Some medals are worth loads more than others.
Not all showjumpers are wealthy, the ES had piece this week about one whose father was a builder and mother a secretary on the Isle of Wight. Of course most sailors, riders and rowers cannot hope to get anywhere near the $5 million a year Andy Murray makes
There's one thing worse than the blue blooded Tory horse and hound (add rowing, sailing and rugger) brigade. And that is the sad fuckers who aspire to their lifestyle.
Come on Wiggins, Trott, and Murray, Jessica, Farah. Peaty and our boxers.
Though as SeanT points out China produced an excellent games with a much lower gdp per capita than Brazil
Fair point. I'm only arguing for the sake of it. I would imagine the Chinese authorities could more easily say "Full attendance please, or some of you will be goat herding in Xinjiang for the next eleventy billion years".
Indeed, China's government does at least know how to organise, unlike the present chaotic leaders in charge of Brazil
Democracies are rubbish at making big things happen because the mob demands that money be spent on mitigating human suffering rather than concrete for foreigners to admire. I would guess that in Brazil, people do not do the will of the government, if the government merely asks them to do so. No-one had to be told to go to the Olympics in London either, but London is one of the most massively wealthy cities in the world full of unburdened young professionals looking for conspicuous experiential consumption.
So future Olympics can either be held in wealthy democracies or dictatorships then? So Harare 2024? Damascus 2032? Pyongyang 2040? Rio may have been a better bet in the seventies when the generals were still in charge
How about Bangkok? Generals in charge there at the moment!
On the other hand, one more gold and we leapfrog Japan into THIRD
Which is pretty bloody incredible for a nation of just 65m people
Looking like a silver in a sailing event - just waiting confirmation
I'm hoping we capsize. There is nothing more depressing than watching rich English public school Tories winning sailing, riding, and rowing medals at the Olympic games. Fantastic to see Fiji demolish our public school boy Tory 7's.
Come on Wiggins, Athletics, Murray and most of all Boxing GB. Some medals are worth loads more than others.
Not all showjumpers are wealthy, the ES had piece this week about one whose father was a builder and mother a secretary on the Isle of Wight. Of course most sailors, riders and rowers cannot hope to get anywhere near the $5 million a year Andy Murray makes
There's one thing worse than the blue blooded Tory horse and hound (add rowing, sailing and rugger) brigade. And that is the sad fuckers who aspire to their lifestyle.
Come on Wiggins, Trott, and Murray, Jessica, Farah. Peaty and our boxers.
Though as SeanT points out China produced an excellent games with a much lower gdp per capita than Brazil
Fair point. I'm only arguing for the sake of it. I would imagine the Chinese authorities could more easily say "Full attendance please, or some of you will be goat herding in Xinjiang for the next eleventy billion years".
Indeed, China's government does at least know how to organise, unlike the present chaotic leaders in charge of Brazil
Democracies are rubbish at making big things happen because the mob demands that money be spent on mitigating human suffering rather than concrete for foreigners to admire. I would guess that in Brazil, people do not do the will of the government, if the government merely asks them to do so. No-one had to be told to go to the Olympics in London either, but London is one of the most massively wealthy cities in the world full of unburdened young professionals looking for conspicuous experiential consumption.
So future Olympics can either be held in wealthy democracies or dictatorships then? So Harare 2024? Damascus 2032? Pyongyang 2040?
One things for certain if it was Pyongyang the opening and closing ceremonies would put all others in the shade.
Well of course. Perfection or else death tends to produce excellence!
On the other hand, one more gold and we leapfrog Japan into THIRD
Which is pretty bloody incredible for a nation of just 65m people
Looking like a silver in a sailing event - just waiting confirmation
I'm hoping we capsize. There is nothing more depressing than watching rich English public school Tories winning sailing, riding, and rowing medals at the Olympic games. Fantastic to see Fiji demolish our public school boy Tory 7's.
Come on Wiggins, Athletics, Murray and most of all Boxing GB. Some medals are worth loads more than others.
You can add golf to the latter list. Despite the image of the sport, none of GB's four golfing Olympians come from particularly privileged backgrounds.
Though as SeanT points out China produced an excellent games with a much lower gdp per capita than Brazil
Fair point. I'm only arguing for the sake of it. I would imagine the Chinese authorities could more easily say "Full attendance please, or some of you will be goat herding in Xinjiang for the next eleventy billion years".
Indeed, China's government does at least know how to organise, unlike the present chaotic leaders in charge of Brazil
Democracies are rubbish at making big things happen because the mob demands that money be spent on mitigating human suffering rather than concrete for foreigners to admire. I would guess that in Brazil, people do not do the will of the government, if the government merely asks them to do so. No-one had to be told to go to the Olympics in London either, but London is one of the most massively wealthy cities in the world full of unburdened young professionals looking for conspicuous experiential consumption.
So future Olympics can either be held in wealthy democracies or dictatorships then? So Harare 2024? Damascus 2032? Pyongyang 2040?
One things for certain if it was Pyongyang the opening and closing ceremonies would put all others in the shade.
Well of course. Perfection or else death tends to produce excellence!
Ah yes indeed.
Anyway for beer lovers everywhere.....North Korea's Pyongyang hosts first beer festival
Though as SeanT points out China produced an excellent games with a much lower gdp per capita than Brazil
Fair point. I'm only arguing for the sake of it. I would imagine the Chinese authorities could more easily say "Full attendance please, or some of you will be goat herding in Xinjiang for the next eleventy billion years".
Indeed, China's government does at least know how to organise, unlike the present chaotic leaders in charge of Brazil
Democracies are rubbish at making big things happen because the mob demands that money be spent on mitigating human suffering rather than concrete for foreigners to admire. I would guess that in Brazil, people do not do the will of the government, if the government merely asks them to do so. No-one had to be told to go to the Olympics in London either, but London is one of the most massively wealthy cities in the world full of unburdened young professionals looking for conspicuous experiential consumption.
So future Olympics can either be held in wealthy democracies or dictatorships then? So Harare 2024? Damascus 2032? Pyongyang 2040?
One things for certain if it was Pyongyang the opening and closing ceremonies would put all others in the shade.
Well of course. Perfection or else death tends to produce excellence!
Ah yes indeed.
Anyway for beer lovers everywhere.....North Korea's Pyongyang hosts first beer festival
Sometimes when the commentators talk about previous form which riders have inexplicably lost from a couple of years back I feel as though they are ignoring the elephant in the room in the shape of doping. It's obvious that some racers who were unbelievably strong a couple of years ago before the big bang of Armstrong's scandal have lost "form" because they can no longer dope their way to the top.
Sometimes when the commentators talk about previous form which riders have inexplicably lost from a couple of years back I feel as though they are ignoring the elephant in the room in the shape of doping. It's obvious that some racers who were unbelievably strong a couple of years ago before the big bang of Armstrong's scandal have lost "form" because they can no longer dope their way to the top.
In ufc (MMA) they brought in proper dug testing about 2 years ago & the difference in the bodies of the fighters is chalk and cheese.
On the other hand, one more gold and we leapfrog Japan into THIRD
Which is pretty bloody incredible for a nation of just 65m people
Looking like a silver in a sailing event - just waiting confirmation
I'm hoping we capsize. There is nothing more depressing than watching rich English public school Tories winning sailing, riding, and rowing medals at the Olympic games. Fantastic to see Fiji demolish our public school boy Tory 7's.
Come on Wiggins, Athletics, Murray and most of all Boxing GB. Some medals are worth loads more than others.
Not all showjumpers are wealthy, the ES had piece this week about one whose father was a builder and mother a secretary on the Isle of Wight. Of course most sailors, riders and rowers cannot hope to get anywhere near the $5 million a year Andy Murray makes
There's one thing worse than the blue blooded Tory horse and hound (add rowing, sailing and rugger) brigade. And that is the sad fuckers who aspire to their lifestyle.
Come on Wiggins, Trott, and Murray, Jessica, Farah. Peaty and our boxers.
So if Corbyn ever becomes PM (god help us) does that mean when he has the reception for Olympic winners they would have to have passed the toffometer first? Will anyone who looks remotely Tory and upper middle class or went to a public school be refused entry as their gold medals don't count as they were won on the backs of the proletariat?
But surely the Toffometer would block Jez himself and they'd have to cancel the reception? Thus solving the problem!
A federal judge has overturned the conviction of a prisoner featured on Making a Murderer https://t.co/lk9v6y4hKR
I couldnt get into that show. I found "serial" far more interesting because the guy found guilty was a super interesting.
Oh I was glued and watched in one sitting. All night
Have you listened to serial?
Haven't come across that, can you point me to a linky?
Look on iTunes (it's free)...it is the most downloaded podcast ever. Something crazy like 40 million downloads.
I don't want to say too much as it will spoil it, other than to say it true story looking into the case of a guy convicted of killing his girlfriend in high school...and was told week by week as the reporter looked into the case, and each week chased down leads she found and discovered by listeners.
The "story telling" is just fantastic and the phone conversations with the convicted killer are just so fascinating.
Though as SeanT points out China produced an excellent games with a much lower gdp per capita than Brazil
Fair point. I'm only arguing for the sake of it. I would imagine the Chinese authorities could more easily say "Full attendance please, or some of you will be goat herding in Xinjiang for the next eleventy billion years".
Indeed, China's government does at least know how to organise, unlike the present chaotic leaders in charge of Brazil
Democracies are rubbish at making big things happen because the mob demands that money be spent on mitigating human suffering rather than concrete for foreigners to admire. I would guess that in Brazil, people do not do the will of the government, if the government merely asks them to do so. No-one had to be told to go to the Olympics in London either, but London is one of the most massively wealthy cities in the world full of unburdened young professionals looking for conspicuous experiential consumption.
So future Olympics can either be held in wealthy democracies or dictatorships then? So Harare 2024? Damascus 2032? Pyongyang 2040? Rio may have been a better bet in the seventies when the generals were still in charge
How about Bangkok? Generals in charge there at the moment!
Yes, could be a strong contendor, will have to hold off Cairo and Havana though!
Sometimes when the commentators talk about previous form which riders have inexplicably lost from a couple of years back I feel as though they are ignoring the elephant in the room in the shape of doping. It's obvious that some racers who were unbelievably strong a couple of years ago before the big bang of Armstrong's scandal have lost "form" because they can no longer dope their way to the top.
are you sure "inexplicable loss of form" isn't the commentators way of drawing attention to something they can't say?
'I'm hoping we capsize. There is nothing more depressing than watching rich English public school Tories winning sailing, riding, and rowing medals at the Olympic games. Fantastic to see Fiji demolish our public school boy Tory 7's.'
Though as SeanT points out China produced an excellent games with a much lower gdp per capita than Brazil
Fair point. I'm only arguing for the sake of it. I would imagine the Chinese authorities could more easily say "Full attendance please, or some of you will be goat herding in Xinjiang for the next eleventy billion years".
Indeed, China's government does at least know how to organise, unlike the present chaotic leaders in charge of Brazil
Democracies are rubbish at making big things happen because the mob demands that money be spent on mitigating human suffering rather than concrete for foreigners to admire. I would guess that in Brazil, people do not do the will of the government, if the government merely asks them to do so. No-one had to be told to go to the Olympics in London either, but London is one of the most massively wealthy cities in the world full of unburdened young professionals looking for conspicuous experiential consumption.
So future Olympics can either be held in wealthy democracies or dictatorships then? So Harare 2024? Damascus 2032? Pyongyang 2040?
One things for certain if it was Pyongyang the opening and closing ceremonies would put all others in the shade.
Certainly if you were a performer and Kim Jong Un felt you were not up to standard you may find yourself permanently in the shade!
Though as SeanT points out China produced an excellent games with a much lower gdp per capita than Brazil
Fair point. I'm only arguing for the sake of it. I would imagine the Chinese authorities could more easily say "Full attendance please, or some of you will be goat herding in Xinjiang for the next eleventy billion years".
Indeed, China's government does at least know how to organise, unlike the present chaotic leaders in charge of Brazil
Democracies are rubbish at making big things happen because the mob demands that money be spent on mitigating human suffering rather than concrete for foreigners to admire. I would guess that in Brazil, people do not do the will of the government, if the government merely asks them to do so. No-one had to be told to go to the Olympics in London either, but London is one of the most massively wealthy cities in the world full of unburdened young professionals looking for conspicuous experiential consumption.
So future Olympics can either be held in wealthy democracies or dictatorships then? So Harare 2024? Damascus 2032? Pyongyang 2040?
One things for certain if it was Pyongyang the opening and closing ceremonies would put all others in the shade.
Well of course. Perfection or else death tends to produce excellence!
Ah yes indeed.
Anyway for beer lovers everywhere.....North Korea's Pyongyang hosts first beer festival
That's very interesting. I hove from Bath and I remember that Brewery even got a tour and a freebie in the onsite bar. It here was a huge bottling factory across the road from it and the old bus station used to be there as well. It's a Sainsburys now of course where the bottling plant was.
That buying a brewery and shipping internationally happened in Bristol as well. They shipped that one to Russia.
Personally I am a Wadworth fan myself and 6X . Always been a fan of Bath rugby of course.
Interesting fact. Waddworths in Devizes is the only brewery that still delivers beer to the local pubs using horse and dray.
On the other hand, one more gold and we leapfrog Japan into THIRD
Which is pretty bloody incredible for a nation of just 65m people
Looking like a silver in a sailing event - just waiting confirmation
I'm hoping we capsize. There is nothing more depressing than watching rich English public school Tories winning sailing, riding, and rowing medals at the Olympic games. Fantastic to see Fiji demolish our public school boy Tory 7's.
Come on Wiggins, Athletics, Murray and most of all Boxing GB. Some medals are worth loads more than others.
Not all showjumpers are wealthy, the ES had piece this week about one whose father was a builder and mother a secretary on the Isle of Wight. Of course most sailors, riders and rowers cannot hope to get anywhere near the $5 million a year Andy Murray makes
There's one thing worse than the blue blooded Tory horse and hound (add rowing, sailing and rugger) brigade. And that is the sad fuckers who aspire to their lifestyle.
Come on Wiggins, Trott, and Murray, Jessica, Farah. Peaty and our boxers.
So if Corbyn ever becomes PM (god help us) does that mean when he has the reception for Olympic winners they would have to have passed the toffometer first? Will anyone who looks remotely Tory and upper middle class or went to a public school be refused entry as their gold medals don't count as they were won on the backs of the proletariat?
But surely the Toffometer would block Jez himself and they'd have to cancel the reception? Thus solving the problem!
Sometimes when the commentators talk about previous form which riders have inexplicably lost from a couple of years back I feel as though they are ignoring the elephant in the room in the shape of doping. It's obvious that some racers who were unbelievably strong a couple of years ago before the big bang of Armstrong's scandal have lost "form" because they can no longer dope their way to the top.
are you sure "inexplicable loss of form" isn't the commentators way of drawing attention to something they can't say?
Though as SeanT points out China produced an excellent games with a much lower gdp per capita than Brazil
Fair point. I'm only arguing for the sake of it. I would imagine the Chinese authorities could more easily say "Full attendance please, or some of you will be goat herding in Xinjiang for the next eleventy billion years".
Indeed, China's government does at least know how to organise, unlike the present chaotic leaders in charge of Brazil
Democracies are rubbish at making big things happen because the mob demands that money be spent on mitigating human suffering rather than concrete for foreigners to admire. I would guess that in Brazil, people do not do the will of the government, if the government merely asks them to do so. No-one had to be told to go to the Olympics in London either, but London is one of the most massively wealthy cities in the world full of unburdened young professionals looking for conspicuous experiential consumption.
So future Olympics can either be held in wealthy democracies or dictatorships then? So Harare 2024? Damascus 2032? Pyongyang 2040? Rio may have been a better bet in the seventies when the generals were still in charge
How about Bangkok? Generals in charge there at the moment!
Yes, could be a strong contendor, will have to hold off Cairo and Havana though!
A post PM allegedly tried to get an F1 street race organised three or four years ago.
Sometimes when the commentators talk about previous form which riders have inexplicably lost from a couple of years back I feel as though they are ignoring the elephant in the room in the shape of doping. It's obvious that some racers who were unbelievably strong a couple of years ago before the big bang of Armstrong's scandal have lost "form" because they can no longer dope their way to the top.
are you sure "inexplicable loss of form" isn't the commentators way of drawing attention to something they can't say?
I'd prefer them to just come out and say it foe those who have had doping bans.
Though as SeanT points out China produced an excellent games with a much lower gdp per capita than Brazil
Fair point. I'm only arguing for the sake of it. I would imagine the Chinese authorities could more easily say "Full attendance please, or some of you will be goat herding in Xinjiang for the next eleventy billion years".
Indeed, China's government does at least know how to organise, unlike the present chaotic leaders in charge of Brazil
Democracies are rubbish at making big things happen because the mob demands that money be spent on mitigating human suffering rather than concrete for foreigners to admire. I would guess that in Brazil, people do not do the will of the government, if the government merely asks them to do so. No-one had to be told to go to the Olympics in London either, but London is one of the most massively wealthy cities in the world full of unburdened young professionals looking for conspicuous experiential consumption.
So future Olympics can either be held in wealthy democracies or dictatorships then? So Harare 2024? Damascus 2032? Pyongyang 2040? Rio may have been a better bet in the seventies when the generals were still in charge
How about Bangkok? Generals in charge there at the moment!
Yes, could be a strong contendor, will have to hold off Cairo and Havana though!
2024 from Constantinople? Got to be in with a shout now then given recent events
Though as SeanT points out China produced an excellent games with a much lower gdp per capita than Brazil
Fair point. I'm only arguing for the sake of it. I would imagine the Chinese authorities could more easily say "Full attendance please, or some of you will be goat herding in Xinjiang for the next eleventy billion years".
Indeed, China's government does at least know how to organise, unlike the present chaotic leaders in charge of Brazil
Democracies are rubbish at making big things happen because the mob demands that money be spent on mitigating human suffering rather than concrete for foreigners to admire. I would guess that in Brazil, people do not do the will of the government, if the government merely asks them to do so. No-one had to be told to go to the Olympics in London either, but London is one of the most massively wealthy cities in the world full of unburdened young professionals looking for conspicuous experiential consumption.
So future Olympics can either be held in wealthy democracies or dictatorships then? So Harare 2024? Damascus 2032? Pyongyang 2040?
One things for certain if it was Pyongyang the opening and closing ceremonies would put all others in the shade.
Well of course. Perfection or else death tends to produce excellence!
Ah yes indeed.
Anyway for beer lovers everywhere.....North Korea's Pyongyang hosts first beer festival
That's very interesting. I hove from Bath and I remember that Brewery even got a tour and a freebie in the onsite bar.
Sadly it had closed by the time I grew up in my very brief phase of drinking, although the smell of hops would often float over the school playground quite pleasantly.
If the BBC are going to channel hop then they should start the following channel a minute or so earlier. It's ridiculous that they force viewers to sit through their adverts and intros all the bloody time.
Though as SeanT points out China produced an excellent games with a much lower gdp per capita than Brazil
Fair point. I'm only arguing for the sake of it. I would imagine the Chinese authorities could more easily say "Full attendance please, or some of you will be goat herding in Xinjiang for the next eleventy billion years".
Indeed, China's government does at least know how to organise, unlike the present chaotic leaders in charge of Brazil
Democracies are rubbish at making big things happen because the mob demands that money be spent on mitigating human suffering rather than concrete for foreigners to admire. I would guess that in Brazil, people do not do the will of the government, if the government merely asks them to do so. No-one had to be told to go to the Olympics in London either, but London is one of the most massively wealthy cities in the world full of unburdened young professionals looking for conspicuous experiential consumption.
So future Olympics can either be held in wealthy democracies or dictatorships then? So Harare 2024? Damascus 2032? Pyongyang 2040?
One things for certain if it was Pyongyang the opening and closing ceremonies would put all others in the shade.
Well of course. Perfection or else death tends to produce excellence!
Ah yes indeed.
Anyway for beer lovers everywhere.....North Korea's Pyongyang hosts first beer festival
That's very interesting. I hove from Bath and I remember that Brewery even got a tour and a freebie in the onsite bar.
Sadly it had closed by the time I grew up in my very brief phase of drinking, although the smell of hops would often float over the school playground quite pleasantly.
Yes I do remember that hops smell as well and also Bowyers and the smell of freshly cooked pies..... My granny lived on the outskirts of Trowbridge hence I regularly visited
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What am I saying - let us get SeanT about it. London in 2012 was almost at the peak of its 30-year frothy bubble which burst in June. It was and is chocked full of the global top 1% and 0.1% who burn money on a weekly basis on things like secret cinemas, Harrods and cereal cafés, and 2012 was in retrospect part of a blessedly optimistic era - it didn't seem so at the time - before Charlie Hebdo, the Bataclan, MH17, baby-deformity-conferring mosquitoes, or the undeniability of pervasive corruption in sport - only the threat of riots to keep people away.
Though some success in track cycling started well before them, they've turned some success on the track into ?4? Tour de France titles.
I wonder how much could be put down to Boardman and Obree (who rode some of the time on a bike he made himself, I think including parts from a washing machine).
Come on Wiggins, Athletics, Murray and most of all Boxing GB. Some medals are worth loads more than others.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-37026844
Re reading the article I feel the opening was written by someone other than the main bits, since it opens stating that the level of noise from booing has been higher than other Games, then tries to excuse it later by saying its nothing new, despite the premise of the article being the amount of it (if not the existence of it) is in fact new.
There's one thing worse than the blue blooded Tory horse and hound (add rowing, sailing and rugger) brigade. And that is the sad fuckers who aspire to their lifestyle.
Come on Wiggins, Trott, and Murray, Jessica, Farah. Peaty and our boxers.
(Although if it's just crap then it's caveat emptor)
Why don't you just do one.
Denmark screwed up by breaking the line, cycling in someone's slipstream is much less effort for the same speed.
World resized by how much money countries receive from international tourism
@howmuch_net https://t.co/1y0lBGj9pK https://t.co/194LeLbql7
A UKIP colleague of Nathan Gill has criticised the party's Welsh leader's record of participation in the Senedd.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-politics-37046408
It is a fantastic time to be a Tory. When Labour crops up in everyday conversation it is almost certainly a criticism of them.
The UK is trending Tory and with any luck we will not see a Labour government for decades.
Anyway for beer lovers everywhere.....North Korea's Pyongyang hosts first beer festival
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/08/12/north-koreas-pyongyang-hosts-first-beer-festival/
A federal judge has overturned the conviction of a prisoner featured on Making a Murderer https://t.co/lk9v6y4hKR
Anyone still need the link to PB fantasy premier league for tomorrow just ask. Last I looked we had 14 which is great...
http://www.wiltshiretimes.co.uk/news/4475589.How_Ushers__Trowbridge_brewery_is_now_the_toast_of_North_Korea/
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/8115677.stm
It's not an exact proxy but 5-1 is very very short, Pence was 1000.0 on Betfair. Think he is still around 900 or so.
I don't want to say too much as it will spoil it, other than to say it true story looking into the case of a guy convicted of killing his girlfriend in high school...and was told week by week as the reporter looked into the case, and each week chased down leads she found and discovered by listeners.
The "story telling" is just fantastic and the phone conversations with the convicted killer are just so fascinating.
Edit:- You want season 1....not season 2.
'I'm hoping we capsize. There is nothing more depressing than watching rich English public school Tories winning sailing, riding, and rowing medals at the Olympic games. Fantastic to see Fiji demolish our public school boy Tory 7's.'
Chippy's come our from under his stone.
That buying a brewery and shipping internationally happened in Bristol as well. They shipped that one to Russia.
Personally I am a Wadworth fan myself and 6X . Always been a fan of Bath rugby of course.
Interesting fact. Waddworths in Devizes is the only brewery that still delivers beer to the local pubs using horse and dray.
Edit, or just stick the news on BBC 2.
BBC One: Hello and...
BBC Two: Welcome to...
BBC One: The Olympics...
BBC Two: Here at...
BBC One: Rio de...
BBC Two: Janeiro
#BBCRio2016