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    First like Smith
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    MP_SEMP_SE Posts: 3,642
    Second like Oily.
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 60,983
    FPT: Mr. Llama, perhaps your son is heir to the iron throne?
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    david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 17,419
    Farcical decision to end - or not - a farcical process. Can there be an appeal to the Supreme Court now or is the Appeal Court's ruling final.
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    JonathanJonathan Posts: 20,901
    David Cowling's analysis speaks volumes.
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    What a shit show.
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    SimonStClareSimonStClare Posts: 7,976
    If I was one of the disenfranchised 130K, I’d ask for my money back – this could be costly.
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    oxfordsimonoxfordsimon Posts: 5,831

    Farcical decision to end - or not - a farcical process. Can there be an appeal to the Supreme Court now or is the Appeal Court's ruling final.

    Appeal Court have refused leave to appeal. And awarded all costs to the complainants.
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    SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 20,616

    Farcical decision to end - or not - a farcical process. Can there be an appeal to the Supreme Court now or is the Appeal Court's ruling final.

    We should call for a judge-led enquiry into the whole process.
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    OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 31,990

    FPT: Mr. Llama, perhaps your son is heir to the iron throne?

    Recessive gene for Highland ancestry? Perhaps you have more in common with JackW or, perish the thought, MalcG than you realise!
    Although I once read..... I think in a book abouut escaping from the Nazi’s .... that in Poland Jews are likely to be red-haired. Personally I’ve never met a red-haired Jew. At least AFAIK.
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    John_MJohn_M Posts: 7,503
    OT. I was struck by the thought that no one born after September 1973 has ever experienced a UK cyclical recession in their adult lives. That's astonishing.
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    ThrakThrak Posts: 494
    edited August 2016
    From previous thread -

    Right, advice please.

    Wife and I looking at a property tomorrow. We both really like the look of it. It's a 5 bed and way cheaper than it should be - on for £550k but should be around £600k (it was on for sale in 2012 at 495k and failed to sell) and been with present owner since 1996.

    Estate agent didn't flinch when I said I couldn't beat £525k and we got a viewing on Sat at a time of our choice with two days notice. It's been on the market since early Feb. Kitchen is small and internally the space could be used better, but I'm astonished it hasn't shifted yet.

    What's wrong with it? What should I ask?

    Was someone murdered there?

    Maybe it's in the catchment area of a poor school. Especially if it's not detached, check up on neighbours and neighbour disputes. Is it near a noisy/smelly business or entertainment venue? Road with cuthrough traffic? Planning permissions for something that would affect it?

    Make an offer, contingent on getting a full survey done. Back out if it comes back with problems. If it's been on the market for that time and it's okay, they should accept conditions on any offer I would think.

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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,897

    Farcical decision to end - or not - a farcical process. Can there be an appeal to the Supreme Court now or is the Appeal Court's ruling final.

    That we even ask these questions is either farcical or hillarious, depending on your point of view.
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    I predict a rally....
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    The Labour Party is a popcorngasm for the Tories these days is it not?
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    MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 37,607
    MTimT said:

    PlatoSaid said:

    Blimey – Team Pommey bastards leap-frogs over the Aussies into 4th - Hah, take that..

    Are we ahead of France? That's the true benchmark for glory.
    Gave up counting after 10th place :lol: but France is below Italy – that’s how bad it is for them.
    What sports are Italians/French known for? I instinctively thought of equestrian events, but could be totally wrong.
    After years of absence from the top, France is back in Eventing, but still far off in Dressage. Don't know about Showjumping.

    Isn't France usually good at judo and karate, kayaking and sailing?
    Traditionally cycling as well, that's where we've nicked so many golds from the rest of Europe.
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    david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 17,419

    Farcical decision to end - or not - a farcical process. Can there be an appeal to the Supreme Court now or is the Appeal Court's ruling final.

    Appeal Court have refused leave to appeal. And awarded all costs to the complainants.
    I'd be a bit pissed off were I one of them. Isn't that effectively saying that there's no reasonable ground for reaching an alternative decision - even though the High Court did exactly that?
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    Have just arrived in España to the news - hahahahahahahahahahahahaha
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    CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    FPT @Casino_Royale

    Most likely it's just overpriced. If things are wrongly prices they just aren't selling

    If the agent didn't flinch at £525K, try below £500K... (although he now knows you have some flexibility). You could make an argument as to why £475K would be the "right" number, but I suspect that £495K will be a psychological level for the seller.

    Assuming it's in Hampshire, then it will probably be fine - a standard survey (unless old) and understanding the local development plan will probably be all you need.
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    JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 39,004
    Thrak said:

    From previous thread -

    Right, advice please.

    Wife and I looking at a property tomorrow. We both really like the look of it. It's a 5 bed and way cheaper than it should be - on for £550k but should be around £600k (it was on for sale in 2012 at 495k and failed to sell) and been with present owner since 1996.

    Estate agent didn't flinch when I said I couldn't beat £525k and we got a viewing on Sat at a time of our choice with two days notice. It's been on the market since early Feb. Kitchen is small and internally the space could be used better, but I'm astonished it hasn't shifted yet.

    What's wrong with it? What should I ask?

    Was someone murdered there?

    Maybe it's in the catchment area of a poor school. Especially if it's not detached, check up on neighbours and neighbour disputes. Is it near a noisy/smelly business or entertainment venue? Road with cuthrough traffic? Planning permissions for something that would affect it?

    Make an offer, contingent on getting a full survey done. Back out if it comes back with problems. If it's been on the market for that time and it's okay, they should accept conditions on any offer I would think.
    Another possible thing that an acquaintance of mine fell foul of: 4+ bed properties, particularly even a little way out in the sticks, tend to be 'family' homes. Families like large gardens for the kids to play in.

    I think CR's mentioned before that he has no children; if that's right, for such a large property it might be wise to think how people with kids would look at it.

    In town, I guess it would not matter as much, as the property could be split into flats and gardens are smaller anyway.

    (My acquaintance and his wife put a large extension on their house, changing it from a ?4? bed to a 6-bed, along with a massive kitchen. This ate up a significant chunk of the garden. When they came to sell, they were told it had only increased the house's price marginally as many potential buyers would prefer a larger garden).
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    William Hill

    Court of Appeal result sees backing for Owen Smith, 8/1 to 6/1 to win Labour leadership contest, with Corbyn out from 1/20 to 1/12. #Labour
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    BudGBudG Posts: 711
    Farcial decision from the High Court judges. Does this set a precedent allowing any Company to advertise on their webpages and take money for a product or a service that is not as described? Simply because the ruling body of that Company changed their minds?
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    TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 41,304
    fpt

    Right, advice please.

    Wife and I looking at a property tomorrow. We both really like the look of it. It's a 5 bed and way cheaper than it should be - on for £550k but should be around £600k (it was on for sale in 2012 at 495k and failed to sell) and been with present owner since 1996.

    Estate agent didn't flinch when I said I couldn't beat £525k and we got a viewing on Sat at a time of our choice with two days notice. It's been on the market since early Feb. Kitchen is small and internally the space could be used better, but I'm astonished it hasn't shifted yet.

    What's wrong with it? What should I ask?

    Get a mining report/full conveyancing done, also check it isn't near a train track.
    It's right next to a preserved heritage railway, which mainly runs at weekends.

    I kind of love steam trains so, to me, this is a plus.
    Virtually the entire property market, certainly the one for mortals, is contingent upon one person being able to compromise and put up with something that another couldn't stand.

    It might easily be the railway, and if you like it, then you are laughing. I once lived over a pizza place. Couldn't have mattered less to me (I certainly ate more pizzas) but might have put others off, etc...
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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,226
    And still people wonder why Blair, Brown and Mandelson kept such an obsessive, iron grip on everything in the party.
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    MarkHopkinsMarkHopkins Posts: 5,584
    BudG said:

    Farcial decision from the High Court judges. Does this set a precedent allowing any Company to advertise on their webpages and take money for a product or a service that is not as described? Simply because the ruling body of that Company changed their minds?


    Presumably Labour will have to give refunds to any that want them?

    Advertising misrepresentation would still apply, even if they're allowed to change their own rules at random.

    But, of course, they don't want refunds; they want to vote.

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    JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 39,004
    Organisers say only 58% of seats for the first day of athletics at Rio have been sold.
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    ThrakThrak Posts: 494
    edited August 2016

    Thrak said:

    From previous thread -

    Right, advice please.

    Wife and I looking at a property tomorrow. We both really like the look of it. It's a 5 bed and way cheaper than it should be - on for £550k but should be around £600k (it was on for sale in 2012 at 495k and failed to sell) and been with present owner since 1996.

    Estate agent didn't flinch when I said I couldn't beat £525k and we got a viewing on Sat at a time of our choice with two days notice. It's been on the market since early Feb. Kitchen is small and internally the space could be used better, but I'm astonished it hasn't shifted.

    What's wrong with it? What should I ask?

    Was someone murdered there?

    Maybe it's in the catchment area of a poor school. Especially if it's not detached, check up on neighbours and neighbour disputes. Is it near a noisy/smelly business or entertainment venue? Road with cuthrough traffic? Planning permissions for something that would affect it?

    Make an offer, contingent on getting a full survey done. Back out if it comes back with problems. If it's been on the market for that time and it's okay, they should accept conditions on any offer I would think.
    Another possible thing that an acquaintance of mine fell foul of: 4+ bed properties, particularly even a little way out in the sticks, tend to be 'family' homes. Families like large gardens for the kids to play in.

    I think CR's mentioned before that he has no children; if that's right, for such a large property it might be wise to think how people with kids would look at it.

    In town, I guess it would not matter as much, as the property could be split into flats and gardens are smaller anyway.

    (My acquaintance and his wife put a large extension on their house, changing it from a ?4? bed to a 6-bed, along with a massive kitchen. This ate up a significant chunk of the garden. When they came to sell, they were told it had only increased the house's price marginally as many potential buyers would prefer a larger garden).
    I can back that up. I'm looking for a property with no, or a very easy to manage, garden at the moment (I really am useless with plants, even grass is a mystery to me). The prices are much less than those with a fair bit of green.

    Catchment areas really is an issue with larger houses. A large family might go smaller to get into a better school or, equally, save the money to use it for a private school. Maybe it's miles from the nearest schools. Most with no children would probably not want excess bedrooms so five beds might be seen as unnecessary.

    Again, I'd be quite happy with a four or five bed, one property I'm looking at would be perfect for getting in a lodger (separate bathroom etc) and you can charge up to £7500 per year tax free.

    https://www.gov.uk/rent-room-in-your-home/the-rent-a-room-scheme
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    MarkHopkinsMarkHopkins Posts: 5,584
    TOPPING said:

    fpt

    Right, advice please.

    Wife and I looking at a property tomorrow. We both really like the look of it. It's a 5 bed and way cheaper than it should be - on for £550k but should be around £600k (it was on for sale in 2012 at 495k and failed to sell) and been with present owner since 1996.

    Estate agent didn't flinch when I said I couldn't beat £525k and we got a viewing on Sat at a time of our choice with two days notice. It's been on the market since early Feb. Kitchen is small and internally the space could be used better, but I'm astonished it hasn't shifted yet.

    What's wrong with it? What should I ask?

    Get a mining report/full conveyancing done, also check it isn't near a train track.
    It's right next to a preserved heritage railway, which mainly runs at weekends.

    I kind of love steam trains so, to me, this is a plus.
    Virtually the entire property market, certainly the one for mortals, is contingent upon one person being able to compromise and put up with something that another couldn't stand.

    It might easily be the railway, and if you like it, then you are laughing. I once lived over a pizza place. Couldn't have mattered less to me (I certainly ate more pizzas) but might have put others off, etc...

    Ahh. So that's where you get your screen name from....

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    BudG said:

    Farcial decision from the High Court judges. Does this set a precedent allowing any Company to advertise on their webpages and take money for a product or a service that is not as described? Simply because the ruling body of that Company changed their minds?

    Labour is not a company.

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    oxfordsimonoxfordsimon Posts: 5,831

    Farcical decision to end - or not - a farcical process. Can there be an appeal to the Supreme Court now or is the Appeal Court's ruling final.

    Appeal Court have refused leave to appeal. And awarded all costs to the complainants.
    I'd be a bit pissed off were I one of them. Isn't that effectively saying that there's no reasonable ground for reaching an alternative decision - even though the High Court did exactly that?
    I don't get it either.

    It effectively gives Labour (and any other group with rules along similar lines) the right to act in a capricious manner to gerrymander an election result - and the courts will refuse to intervene.

    Personally I would have thought the law of the land regarding contracts trumped anything in a party rule book. At least it should.
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    OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 31,990
    TOPPING said:

    fpt

    Right, advice please.

    Wife and I looking at a property tomorrow. We both really like the look of it. It's a 5 bed and way cheaper than it should be - on for £550k but should be around £600k (it was on for sale in 2012 at 495k and failed to sell) and been with present owner since 1996.

    Estate agent didn't flinch when I said I couldn't beat £525k and we got a viewing on Sat at a time of our choice with two days notice. It's been on the market since early Feb. Kitchen is small and internally the space could be used better, but I'm astonished it hasn't shifted yet.

    What's wrong with it? What should I ask?

    Get a mining report/full conveyancing done, also check it isn't near a train track.
    It's right next to a preserved heritage railway, which mainly runs at weekends.

    I kind of love steam trains so, to me, this is a plus.
    Virtually the entire property market, certainly the one for mortals, is contingent upon one person being able to compromise and put up with something that another couldn't stand.

    It might easily be the railway, and if you like it, then you are laughing. I once lived over a pizza place. Couldn't have mattered less to me (I certainly ate more pizzas) but might have put others off, etc...
    Smuts all over the garden/washing?
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    houndtanghoundtang Posts: 450
    I still have a £10 free bet to use on Betfair Sportsbook and about 10 days to use it. Any tips? Smith?
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    TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 41,304

    TOPPING said:

    fpt

    Right, advice please.

    Wife and I looking at a property tomorrow. We both really like the look of it. It's a 5 bed and way cheaper than it should be - on for £550k but should be around £600k (it was on for sale in 2012 at 495k and failed to sell) and been with present owner since 1996.

    Estate agent didn't flinch when I said I couldn't beat £525k and we got a viewing on Sat at a time of our choice with two days notice. It's been on the market since early Feb. Kitchen is small and internally the space could be used better, but I'm astonished it hasn't shifted yet.

    What's wrong with it? What should I ask?

    Get a mining report/full conveyancing done, also check it isn't near a train track.
    It's right next to a preserved heritage railway, which mainly runs at weekends.

    I kind of love steam trains so, to me, this is a plus.
    Virtually the entire property market, certainly the one for mortals, is contingent upon one person being able to compromise and put up with something that another couldn't stand.

    It might easily be the railway, and if you like it, then you are laughing. I once lived over a pizza place. Couldn't have mattered less to me (I certainly ate more pizzas) but might have put others off, etc...

    Ahh. So that's where you get your screen name from....

    LOL!
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    TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 41,304

    TOPPING said:

    fpt

    Right, advice please.

    Wife and I looking at a property tomorrow. We both really like the look of it. It's a 5 bed and way cheaper than it should be - on for £550k but should be around £600k (it was on for sale in 2012 at 495k and failed to sell) and been with present owner since 1996.

    Estate agent didn't flinch when I said I couldn't beat £525k and we got a viewing on Sat at a time of our choice with two days notice. It's been on the market since early Feb. Kitchen is small and internally the space could be used better, but I'm astonished it hasn't shifted yet.

    What's wrong with it? What should I ask?

    Get a mining report/full conveyancing done, also check it isn't near a train track.
    It's right next to a preserved heritage railway, which mainly runs at weekends.

    I kind of love steam trains so, to me, this is a plus.
    Virtually the entire property market, certainly the one for mortals, is contingent upon one person being able to compromise and put up with something that another couldn't stand.

    It might easily be the railway, and if you like it, then you are laughing. I once lived over a pizza place. Couldn't have mattered less to me (I certainly ate more pizzas) but might have put others off, etc...
    Smuts all over the garden/washing?
    No garden. Another compromise! Actually as with @Thrak, at the time a garden would have been a liability so was v happy.
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 53,995
    John_M said:

    OT. I was struck by the thought that no one born after September 1973 has ever experienced a UK cyclical recession in their adult lives. That's astonishing.

    Do you mean a recession, where no one else is having one?
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100

    William Hill

    Court of Appeal result sees backing for Owen Smith, 8/1 to 6/1 to win Labour leadership contest, with Corbyn out from 1/20 to 1/12. #Labour

    6/1 ?

    Those are extremely high odds.

    I've never rated Smith more than a 10% chance since the beggining.
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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,226
    Some are turning - Alex Andreou, a former Corbyn supporter:

    "This is partly out of profound hurt. I feel let down by him. Duped. Because it is inconceivable to me how someone so utterly ill-equipped to do such an important job, could have put himself forward for doing it."

    and

    "LABOUR'S PROBLEMS ARE HUGE, CORBYN ASIDE - Labour are probably shafted - at best, for a decade and, at worst, permanently. This is because they are currently the only truly UK-wide party. In order to ever win an election again, they would have to regain seats in Scotland from the SNP, from the Tories in the South of England, as well as defend seats against Plaid Cymru in Wales, UKIP in the North and the Liberal Democrats in urban areas.

    Those electorates are so diverse and so easy to target by a party concentrating on only one or a few, they are almost impossible to reconcile. How does one even begin to formulate a policy on immigration that does not alienate the cosmopolitan London leftie while reengaging with enough working class white men in the North? How does one articulate an economic policy that is radical enough for Glasgow and moderate enough for Stevenage?"

    Read more at:https://www.byline.com/column/11/article/1177
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    MarkSeniorMarkSenior Posts: 4,699
    I see that on the previous thread scoffers at Lib Dem performance in " Pointless Parish by elections" suddenly take an interest in the Conservative performance in McDuff by sea and Ambridge .
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    TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 41,304
    houndtang said:

    I still have a £10 free bet to use on Betfair Sportsbook and about 10 days to use it. Any tips? Smith?

    Might have one on Monday. Don't know if it runs.
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    houndtang said:

    I still have a £10 free bet to use on Betfair Sportsbook and about 10 days to use it. Any tips? Smith?

    Since it's a free bet and you won't lose anything, Trump or Smith.
    They maybe sure losers, but you wont be spending your money.
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    HurstLlamaHurstLlama Posts: 9,098
    FPT

    Mr. Topping, thanks I had not in fact seen that video before. Not too many moustaches though amongst, if I am not mistaken, the Irish Guards rehearsing for the Troop at Chelsea Barracks in the early-mid sixties.

    Not a bad bunch the IG, second to the Grenadiers of course but in all respects along way ahead of the rest of the pack.
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    surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549
    rcs1000 said:

    John_M said:

    OT. I was struck by the thought that no one born after September 1973 has ever experienced a UK cyclical recession in their adult lives. That's astonishing.

    Do you mean a recession, where no one else is having one?
    John M was probably in Mars in 2009/2010
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,967

    I see that on the previous thread scoffers at Lib Dem performance in " Pointless Parish by elections" suddenly take an interest in the Conservative performance in McDuff by sea and Ambridge .

    Scottish Tory Surges are not to be ignored...................
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    AnorakAnorak Posts: 6,621
    BudG said:

    Farcial decision from the High Court

    Agreed. Luckily the Court of Appeal has seen sense.
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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,226
    Corbynistas now alleging that lead judge is a zionist with an axe to grind.

    Pass the popcorn.
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,967
    Anorak said:

    BudG said:

    Farcial decision from the High Court

    Agreed. Luckily the Court of Appeal has seen sense.
    I think (but could be wrong) that BugG was referring to the latest decision being the farcical one, at least based on the rest of the comment which you cut out.
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    TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 41,304

    FPT

    Mr. Topping, thanks I had not in fact seen that video before. Not too many moustaches though amongst, if I am not mistaken, the Irish Guards rehearsing for the Troop at Chelsea Barracks in the early-mid sixties.

    Not a bad bunch the IG, second to the Grenadiers of course but in all respects along way ahead of the rest of the pack.

    Indeed.

    There's a whole series of them on youtube - Guards1, Guards2, etc. Sounds like you might recognise the person at 3'30" on this one...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N5gcdSxjV34
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    PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383

    Thrak said:

    From previous thread -

    Right, advice please.

    Wife and I looking at a property tomorrow. We both really like the look of it. It's a 5 bed and way cheaper than it should be - on for £550k but should be around £600k (it was on for sale in 2012 at 495k and failed to sell) and been with present owner since 1996.

    Estate agent didn't flinch when I said I couldn't beat £525k and we got a viewing on Sat at a time of our choice with two days notice. It's been on the market since early Feb. Kitchen is small and internally the space could be used better, but I'm astonished it hasn't shifted yet.

    What's wrong with it? What should I ask?

    Was someone murdered there?

    Maybe it's in the catchment area of a poor school. Especially if it's not detached, check up on neighbours and neighbour disputes. Is it near a noisy/smelly business or entertainment venue? Road with cuthrough traffic? Planning permissions for something that would affect it?

    Make an offer, contingent on getting a full survey done. Back out if it comes back with problems. If it's been on the market for that time and it's okay, they should accept conditions on any offer I would think.
    Another possible thing that an acquaintance of mine fell foul of: 4+ bed properties, particularly even a little way out in the sticks, tend to be 'family' homes. Families like large gardens for the kids to play in.

    I think CR's mentioned before that he has no children; if that's right, for such a large property it might be wise to think how people with kids would look at it.

    In town, I guess it would not matter as much, as the property could be split into flats and gardens are smaller anyway.

    (My acquaintance and his wife put a large extension on their house, changing it from a ?4? bed to a 6-bed, along with a massive kitchen. This ate up a significant chunk of the garden. When they came to sell, they were told it had only increased the house's price marginally as many potential buyers would prefer a larger garden).
    Another is imbalance of bedrooms to family space - neighbour of mine extended over garage/kitchen and made no difference to price as ratio was wrong re bathroom/downstairs.
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    Farcical decision to end - or not - a farcical process. Can there be an appeal to the Supreme Court now or is the Appeal Court's ruling final.

    Appeal Court have refused leave to appeal. And awarded all costs to the complainants.
    I'd be a bit pissed off were I one of them. Isn't that effectively saying that there's no reasonable ground for reaching an alternative decision - even though the High Court did exactly that?
    I don't get it either.

    It effectively gives Labour (and any other group with rules along similar lines) the right to act in a capricious manner to gerrymander an election result - and the courts will refuse to intervene.

    Personally I would have thought the law of the land regarding contracts trumped anything in a party rule book. At least it should.

    Labour is not a company and so the relationship is not a consumer/supplier one. When you join a political party you are bound by its rulebook and the Labour rulebook states the NEC sets the rules. It's not as if freezes have not been applied in the past.

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    GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 20,817
    Stick to your guns Jezza!
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    edited August 2016
    Anorak said:

    BudG said:

    Farcial decision from the High Court

    Agreed. Luckily the Court of Appeal has seen sense.
    Nothing like court decisions to anger voters.

    Like I said I don't like changing the rules mid stream, the courts have changed the rules twice in 2 weeks, it's bad politics to mess with voting rules.

    This is a farce, so of course Owen Smith should be behind it.
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    AnorakAnorak Posts: 6,621
    RobD said:

    Anorak said:

    BudG said:

    Farcial decision from the High Court

    Agreed. Luckily the Court of Appeal has seen sense.
    I think (but could be wrong) that BugG was referring to the latest decision being the farcical one, at least based on the rest of the comment which you cut out.
    Yes. I know.
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    Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    edited August 2016



    Those electorates are so diverse and so easy to target by a party concentrating on only one or a few, they are almost impossible to reconcile. How does one even begin to formulate a policy on immigration that does not alienate the cosmopolitan London leftie while reengaging with enough working class white men in the North? How does one articulate an economic policy that is radical enough for Glasgow and moderate enough for Stevenage?"

    Read more at:https://www.byline.com/column/11/article/1177

    In answer to the last paragraph:- you don't TRY to formulate a policy on immigration that pleases both London lefties and working-class men from the North. Or atleast, you don't make it one of your headline policies. Throughout the WHOLE PARTY'S HISTORY, Labour's middle-class support and working-class support has been split on cultural issues, but the difference is that past Labour politicians had the sense to realise that, and knew that therefore an economically populist message was the only glue that could hold the wings of their support together.

    In the 1960s, Harold Wilson had more sense than to mainly pitch Labour as the party that legalised homosexuality and allowed mass migration from the Commonwealth, since he knew a party that defined itself by those things would be toast in the Hulls of the world. Instead he defined the party as the one who was bringing down people's prices at the local shop, fighting for increased wages, and taxing the greedy rich until the pips squeaked, because those were the only policies Labour had that could command broad support, whereas culturally left policies never have and never will be the basis of a winning party.
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    PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383
    Ennis doing well in high jump.
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    619619 Posts: 1,784
    http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/polls-clinton-running-table-key-battlegrounds-n629136

    Looks like Hilary will win without Florida or Ohio at the moment.
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    PlatoSaid said:

    Ennis doing well in high jump.

    Her coach looks about as impressed as Ivan Lendl did with Murray at Wimbledon....
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,967
    OT, but we are now on 6/6/6 medals... :naughty:
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    logical_songlogical_song Posts: 9,718
    619 said:

    http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/polls-clinton-running-table-key-battlegrounds-n629136

    Looks like Hilary will win without Florida or Ohio at the moment.

    This backs that up:
    "But it’s also easy to overstate the importance of Florida and Ohio. In the simulations our models run, Florida or Ohio prove crucial less than 30 percent of the time. Indeed, Clinton has some viable paths to the White House even if she loses Florida, Iowa, Nevada or Ohio — all states where her polling has been lackluster relative to her national numbers. That’s because she’s outperforming her national polls in Colorado and Virginia."
    http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/election-update-how-clinton-could-win-without-florida-and-ohio/
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    I'm going to predict in the next leadership election, the NEC would limit those having the right to vote to just Owen Smith.

    But that might still not give victory to Smith, since there is a chance that there are more than a single person in Labour called Owen Smith.
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,967
    619 said:

    http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/polls-clinton-running-table-key-battlegrounds-n629136

    Looks like Hilary will win without Florida or Ohio at the moment.

    Looking quite blue on 538. Arizona has gone a light shade of blue too!
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    619619 Posts: 1,784

    619 said:

    http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/polls-clinton-running-table-key-battlegrounds-n629136

    Looks like Hilary will win without Florida or Ohio at the moment.

    This backs that up:
    "But it’s also easy to overstate the importance of Florida and Ohio. In the simulations our models run, Florida or Ohio prove crucial less than 30 percent of the time. Indeed, Clinton has some viable paths to the White House even if she loses Florida, Iowa, Nevada or Ohio — all states where her polling has been lackluster relative to her national numbers. That’s because she’s outperforming her national polls in Colorado and Virginia."
    http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/election-update-how-clinton-could-win-without-florida-and-ohio/
    I can't see her losing all four out of Florida, Iowa, Nevada or Ohio either.
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    oxfordsimonoxfordsimon Posts: 5,831

    Farcical decision to end - or not - a farcical process. Can there be an appeal to the Supreme Court now or is the Appeal Court's ruling final.

    Appeal Court have refused leave to appeal. And awarded all costs to the complainants.
    I'd be a bit pissed off were I one of them. Isn't that effectively saying that there's no reasonable ground for reaching an alternative decision - even though the High Court did exactly that?
    I don't get it either.

    It effectively gives Labour (and any other group with rules along similar lines) the right to act in a capricious manner to gerrymander an election result - and the courts will refuse to intervene.

    Personally I would have thought the law of the land regarding contracts trumped anything in a party rule book. At least it should.

    Labour is not a company and so the relationship is not a consumer/supplier one. When you join a political party you are bound by its rulebook and the Labour rulebook states the NEC sets the rules. It's not as if freezes have not been applied in the past.

    I didn't say it was a company. But a contractual arrangement does exist between a party and the members (as was shown by the first judgement)

    And this freeze (and massive price increase) should have been judged as to whether it was 'reasonable' within the framework of the rules (which Labour forgot to mention at the time of the first case)

    And there is a strong case to be made that it was a clear attempt to manipulate the outcome of the election and was not reasonable - particularly in light of the votes for the Mayoral candidates which didn't have to be bought for £25 a go.

    It is wrong. Everyone knows it is wrong. But the Appeal Court have relied on one very narrow view of a very poorly written rule - and denied people what was a clearly given role in party democracy.

    Labour (and the lawyers) should be ashamed of themselves.
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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,226
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    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 50,125
    RobD said:

    OT, but we are now on 6/6/6 medals... :naughty:

    Devilish good work....
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    malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 41,974

    FPT: Mr. Llama, perhaps your son is heir to the iron throne?

    Recessive gene for Highland ancestry? Perhaps you have more in common with JackW or, perish the thought, MalcG than you realise!
    Although I once read..... I think in a book abouut escaping from the Nazi’s .... that in Poland Jews are likely to be red-haired. Personally I’ve never met a red-haired Jew. At least AFAIK.
    Hurst would be a lucky man if he had some similar blood to myself flowing through his viens , which I am sure he does have given his intelligence and fine tastes. He is a cut above the usual lout on here.
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 60,983
    Got to say I think the ruling is rotten.
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,967
    malcolmg said:

    FPT: Mr. Llama, perhaps your son is heir to the iron throne?

    Recessive gene for Highland ancestry? Perhaps you have more in common with JackW or, perish the thought, MalcG than you realise!
    Although I once read..... I think in a book abouut escaping from the Nazi’s .... that in Poland Jews are likely to be red-haired. Personally I’ve never met a red-haired Jew. At least AFAIK.
    Hurst would be a lucky man if he had some similar blood to myself flowing through his viens , which I am sure he does have given his intelligence and fine tastes. He is a cut above the usual lout on here.
    Cheers malc :(
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    malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 41,974

    Farcical decision to end - or not - a farcical process. Can there be an appeal to the Supreme Court now or is the Appeal Court's ruling final.

    Appeal Court have refused leave to appeal. And awarded all costs to the complainants.
    I'd be a bit pissed off were I one of them. Isn't that effectively saying that there's no reasonable ground for reaching an alternative decision - even though the High Court did exactly that?
    I don't get it either.

    It effectively gives Labour (and any other group with rules along similar lines) the right to act in a capricious manner to gerrymander an election result - and the courts will refuse to intervene.

    Personally I would have thought the law of the land regarding contracts trumped anything in a party rule book. At least it should.

    Labour is not a company and so the relationship is not a consumer/supplier one. When you join a political party you are bound by its rulebook and the Labour rulebook states the NEC sets the rules. It's not as if freezes have not been applied in the past.

    It is taking money under false pretences , NEC should be in the dock for stealing.
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    JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 39,004
    surbiton said:

    rcs1000 said:

    John_M said:

    OT. I was struck by the thought that no one born after September 1973 has ever experienced a UK cyclical recession in their adult lives. That's astonishing.

    Do you mean a recession, where no one else is having one?
    John M was probably in Mars in 2009/2010
    Talking of Mars, at the end of next month Elon Musk is due to give details of his planned BFR (Big Fu***ng Rocket) and MCT (Mars Colonial Transport) at the IAC meeting in Mexico.

    He wants to have a settlement of one million people on Mars. It may sound ridiculous, but this is Musk we're talking about ...

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mars_Colonial_Transporter
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    TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 41,304

    surbiton said:

    rcs1000 said:

    John_M said:

    OT. I was struck by the thought that no one born after September 1973 has ever experienced a UK cyclical recession in their adult lives. That's astonishing.

    Do you mean a recession, where no one else is having one?
    John M was probably in Mars in 2009/2010
    Talking of Mars, at the end of next month Elon Musk is due to give details of his planned BFR (Big Fu***ng Rocket) and MCT (Mars Colonial Transport) at the IAC meeting in Mexico.

    He wants to have a settlement of one million people on Mars. It may sound ridiculous, but this is Musk we're talking about ...

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mars_Colonial_Transporter
    We've got to go somewhere. Eventually.
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    619 said:

    http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/polls-clinton-running-table-key-battlegrounds-n629136

    Looks like Hilary will win without Florida or Ohio at the moment.

    I doubt it, due to those being Marist polls.

    Their methodology is crap since February.

    For instance they have Hillary winning N.C by 9 when just yesterday PPP who is based in N.C had it a tie, they have become the democratic equivalent of Rassmussen and for that reason I'm not using them.

    If you want to use the N.C Marist numbers as a general guide to Marist polls, then subtract 7 from Hillary's lead.

    So the real picture should be:

    N.C Hillary +2
    Virginia Hillary + 5
    Colorado Hillary +5
    Florida Trump +2

    And since we had so many polls saying that Florida is a tie too, the above looks correct.
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    ThreeQuidderThreeQuidder Posts: 6,133

    I see that on the previous thread scoffers at Lib Dem performance in " Pointless Parish by elections" suddenly take an interest in the Conservative performance in McDuff by sea and Ambridge .

    Not me, but I noticed you didn't have anything to say about them.
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    HurstLlamaHurstLlama Posts: 9,098
    TOPPING said:

    FPT

    Mr. Topping, thanks I had not in fact seen that video before. Not too many moustaches though amongst, if I am not mistaken, the Irish Guards rehearsing for the Troop at Chelsea Barracks in the early-mid sixties.

    Not a bad bunch the IG, second to the Grenadiers of course but in all respects along way ahead of the rest of the pack.

    Indeed.

    There's a whole series of them on youtube - Guards1, Guards2, etc. Sounds like you might recognise the person at 3'30" on this one...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N5gcdSxjV34
    Can't say as I recognised anyone, Mr. T, but it did stir some memories, especially the bloke towards the end getting marched in up before the colonel and being fined a week's pay. "Will you accept my award or do you wish to be tried by court martial?"

    Nobody in their right mind ever wanted to go before a Court Martial, it was outside the regiment for one thing and no fixes could be put in (as we saw in the film, with the officer slipping in to see the colonel just before the hearing).
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,750
    This Labour contest process is just farcical.

    No, that's not a particularly fresh observation, but it bears repeating about every three seconds. I don't remember politics before the late 90s, but when was it ever this absurd?
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    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 50,125

    Farcical decision to end - or not - a farcical process. Can there be an appeal to the Supreme Court now or is the Appeal Court's ruling final.

    Appeal Court have refused leave to appeal. And awarded all costs to the complainants.
    So no ability to appeal the refusal to give leave to appeal? Or just too expensive for the complainants (who must now be in for some serious costs)?
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 60,983
    Mr. Jessop, a million's a big number but a deal of redundancy is a good idea for a settlement that can't be easily reached. Not only to ensure everything runs smoothly if a few key people get injured, but also to allow it to survive if illness breaks out.
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    malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 41,974
    RobD said:

    malcolmg said:

    FPT: Mr. Llama, perhaps your son is heir to the iron throne?

    Recessive gene for Highland ancestry? Perhaps you have more in common with JackW or, perish the thought, MalcG than you realise!
    Although I once read..... I think in a book abouut escaping from the Nazi’s .... that in Poland Jews are likely to be red-haired. Personally I’ve never met a red-haired Jew. At least AFAIK.
    Hurst would be a lucky man if he had some similar blood to myself flowing through his viens , which I am sure he does have given his intelligence and fine tastes. He is a cut above the usual lout on here.
    Cheers malc :(
    Rob, You are not one of the mongrels I hasten to add.
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,750

    Got to say I think the ruling is rotten.

    On the basis that they said (I believe) the party's NEC is allowed to set the rules it wants (even presuming the rules are unfair in some way) then it seems relatively sound, if shitty, but then the law is not about what is shitty.
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    CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    RobD said:

    OT, but we are now on 6/6/6 medals... :naughty:

    Having followed your lead, I noticed that the IOC has banned Kuwait from the Olympics for "government interference in sport" but still thinks it's ok for Russia to participate
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,967
    malcolmg said:

    RobD said:

    malcolmg said:

    FPT: Mr. Llama, perhaps your son is heir to the iron throne?

    Recessive gene for Highland ancestry? Perhaps you have more in common with JackW or, perish the thought, MalcG than you realise!
    Although I once read..... I think in a book abouut escaping from the Nazi’s .... that in Poland Jews are likely to be red-haired. Personally I’ve never met a red-haired Jew. At least AFAIK.
    Hurst would be a lucky man if he had some similar blood to myself flowing through his viens , which I am sure he does have given his intelligence and fine tastes. He is a cut above the usual lout on here.
    Cheers malc :(
    Rob, You are not one of the mongrels I hasten to add.
    Turnip's in the post.....
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,335

    Thrak said:

    From previous thread -

    Right, advice please.

    Wife and I looking at a property tomorrow. We both really like the look of it. It's a 5 bed and way cheaper than it should be - on for £550k but should be around £600k (it was on for sale in 2012 at 495k and failed to sell) and been with present owner since 1996.

    Estate agent didn't flinch when I said I couldn't beat £525k and we got a viewing on Sat at a time of our choice with two days notice. It's been on the market since early Feb. Kitchen is small and internally the space could be used better, but I'm astonished it hasn't shifted yet.

    What's wrong with it? What should I ask?

    Was someone murdered there?

    Maybe it's in the catchment area of a poor school. Especially if it's not detached, check up on neighbours and neighbour disputes. Is it near a noisy/smelly business or entertainment venue? Road with cuthrough traffic? Planning permissions for something that would affect it?

    Make an offer, contingent on getting a full survey done. Back out if it comes back with problems. If it's been on the market for that time and it's okay, they should accept conditions on any offer I would think.
    Another possible thing that an acquaintance of mine fell foul of: 4+ bed properties, particularly even a little way out in the sticks, tend to be 'family' homes. Families like large gardens for the kids to play in.

    I think CR's mentioned before that he has no children; if that's right, for such a large property it might be wise to think how people with kids would look at it.

    In town, I guess it would not matter as much, as the property could be split into flats and gardens are smaller anyway.

    (My acquaintance and his wife put a large extension on their house, changing it from a ?4? bed to a 6-bed, along with a massive kitchen. This ate up a significant chunk of the garden. When they came to sell, they were told it had only increased the house's price marginally as many potential buyers would prefer a larger garden).
    Thanks. We are planning to start a family so garden and bedrooms are what we are looking for.

    Not sure about schools. Right now we're focussed on planning for maternity leave and nursery childcare.

    Schools shouldn't be too bad in rural Hampshire and nothing that can't be supplemented with enthusiastic parenting and private tuition. I hope!
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,967
    Charles said:

    RobD said:

    OT, but we are now on 6/6/6 medals... :naughty:

    Having followed your lead, I noticed that the IOC has banned Kuwait from the Olympics for "government interference in sport" but still thinks it's ok for Russia to participate
    What were the specifics of the Kuwait ban? Is the Olympic committee of each country supposed to be independent from government?
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100

    surbiton said:

    rcs1000 said:

    John_M said:

    OT. I was struck by the thought that no one born after September 1973 has ever experienced a UK cyclical recession in their adult lives. That's astonishing.

    Do you mean a recession, where no one else is having one?
    John M was probably in Mars in 2009/2010
    Talking of Mars, at the end of next month Elon Musk is due to give details of his planned BFR (Big Fu***ng Rocket) and MCT (Mars Colonial Transport) at the IAC meeting in Mexico.

    He wants to have a settlement of one million people on Mars. It may sound ridiculous, but this is Musk we're talking about ...

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mars_Colonial_Transporter
    Well Musk made his fortune by advertising his cars on Wall Street.
    But I doubt he is going to find suckers for this.
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    logical_songlogical_song Posts: 9,718

    I see that on the previous thread scoffers at Lib Dem performance in " Pointless Parish by elections" suddenly take an interest in the Conservative performance in McDuff by sea and Ambridge .

    Not me, but I noticed you didn't have anything to say about them.
    The main conclusions that can be drawn from by elections over the past few months is that UKIPs vote is generally down, sometimes quite drastically. The LibDems are also generally doing better. Tories and Labour vary.
    e.g. from yesterday:

    Britain Elects ‏@britainelects 17h17 hours ago
    Ombersley (Worcestershire) result:
    CON: 63.2% (+15.3)
    LDEM: 14.8% (+9.7)
    UKIP: 14.0% (-19.2)
    IND: 7.9% (+7.9)
    Lab and Grn didn't stand.
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    ThreeQuidderThreeQuidder Posts: 6,133
    malcolmg said:

    FPT: Mr. Llama, perhaps your son is heir to the iron throne?

    Recessive gene for Highland ancestry? Perhaps you have more in common with JackW or, perish the thought, MalcG than you realise!
    Although I once read..... I think in a book abouut escaping from the Nazi’s .... that in Poland Jews are likely to be red-haired. Personally I’ve never met a red-haired Jew. At least AFAIK.
    Hurst would be a lucky man if he had some similar blood to myself flowing through his viens , which I am sure he does have given his intelligence and fine tastes. He is a cut above the usual lout on here.
    Don't be so harsh on yourself, you're a very unusual lout. :)
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,335
    Did Ken Livingstone shadow write that?
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    TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 41,304

    TOPPING said:

    FPT

    Mr. Topping, thanks I had not in fact seen that video before. Not too many moustaches though amongst, if I am not mistaken, the Irish Guards rehearsing for the Troop at Chelsea Barracks in the early-mid sixties.

    Not a bad bunch the IG, second to the Grenadiers of course but in all respects along way ahead of the rest of the pack.

    Indeed.

    There's a whole series of them on youtube - Guards1, Guards2, etc. Sounds like you might recognise the person at 3'30" on this one...

    https://www.yout.ube.com/watch?v=N5gcdSxjV34
    Can't say as I recognised anyone, Mr. T, but it did stir some memories, especially the bloke towards the end getting marched in up before the colonel and being fined a week's pay. "Will you accept my award or do you wish to be tried by court martial?"

    Nobody in their right mind ever wanted to go before a Court Martial, it was outside the regiment for one thing and no fixes could be put in (as we saw in the film, with the officer slipping in to see the colonel just before the hearing).
    Well worth watching them all. You will enjoy them.
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    CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    RobD said:

    Charles said:

    RobD said:

    OT, but we are now on 6/6/6 medals... :naughty:

    Having followed your lead, I noticed that the IOC has banned Kuwait from the Olympics for "government interference in sport" but still thinks it's ok for Russia to participate
    What were the specifics of the Kuwait ban? Is the Olympic committee of each country supposed to be independent from government?
    The government has the right to dissolve sporting federations (some random news article on the "Independent Olympic Athlete" who won a gold medal)
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,335
    Charles said:

    FPT @Casino_Royale

    Most likely it's just overpriced. If things are wrongly prices they just aren't selling

    If the agent didn't flinch at £525K, try below £500K... (although he now knows you have some flexibility). You could make an argument as to why £475K would be the "right" number, but I suspect that £495K will be a psychological level for the seller.

    Assuming it's in Hampshire, then it will probably be fine - a standard survey (unless old) and understanding the local development plan will probably be all you need.
    Flag Quote · Off Topic

    Thanks. Trouble is I'm lazy, and impatient.

    Once I make my mind up to do something, and motivated to actually do it, I want to do it and get it out of the way asap.

    Moving house is annoying because you are at the mercy and whim of a string of other people.

    It makes me want to flog mine asap and buy the best fit I can find on the market at the time.
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    JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 39,004
    TOPPING said:

    surbiton said:

    rcs1000 said:

    John_M said:

    OT. I was struck by the thought that no one born after September 1973 has ever experienced a UK cyclical recession in their adult lives. That's astonishing.

    Do you mean a recession, where no one else is having one?
    John M was probably in Mars in 2009/2010
    Talking of Mars, at the end of next month Elon Musk is due to give details of his planned BFR (Big Fu***ng Rocket) and MCT (Mars Colonial Transport) at the IAC meeting in Mexico.

    He wants to have a settlement of one million people on Mars. It may sound ridiculous, but this is Musk we're talking about ...

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mars_Colonial_Transporter
    We've got to go somewhere. Eventually.
    And Musk is going about it in a sane way: almost all his endeavours (SpaceX, Solar City, even Tesla), are associated with his Mars plans. This is no side-project; it is what it's all about.

    Why can't we get to Mars? Cost. So make it cheaper. Reuse rockets. Use less powerful but more reliable engines. Start small and build up. Finance through sales.

    Though there are potential snags on the way: they have yet to refly any of their landed first stages (though they might fly two later this year), and they've had trouble lifting enough mass to orbit to fulfil their ISS resupply contract.

    A big question is whether we can actually reproduce on the one-third gravity of Mars, and how the low gravity will affect development of children. As far as I'm aware, scientists have got no animal to reproduce in zero-G. Will the same be true for 1/3 G?
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    ThreeQuidderThreeQuidder Posts: 6,133
    Could be GB 1 & 2 in the heptathlon after 2 events.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,929
    Get in Katarina.
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,967

    TOPPING said:

    surbiton said:

    rcs1000 said:

    John_M said:

    OT. I was struck by the thought that no one born after September 1973 has ever experienced a UK cyclical recession in their adult lives. That's astonishing.

    Do you mean a recession, where no one else is having one?
    John M was probably in Mars in 2009/2010
    Talking of Mars, at the end of next month Elon Musk is due to give details of his planned BFR (Big Fu***ng Rocket) and MCT (Mars Colonial Transport) at the IAC meeting in Mexico.

    He wants to have a settlement of one million people on Mars. It may sound ridiculous, but this is Musk we're talking about ...

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mars_Colonial_Transporter
    We've got to go somewhere. Eventually.
    And Musk is going about it in a sane way: almost all his endeavours (SpaceX, Solar City, even Tesla), are associated with his Mars plans. This is no side-project; it is what it's all about.

    Why can't we get to Mars? Cost. So make it cheaper. Reuse rockets. Use less powerful but more reliable engines. Start small and build up. Finance through sales.

    Though there are potential snags on the way: they have yet to refly any of their landed first stages (though they might fly two later this year), and they've had trouble lifting enough mass to orbit to fulfil their ISS resupply contract.

    A big question is whether we can actually reproduce on the one-third gravity of Mars, and how the low gravity will affect development of children. As far as I'm aware, scientists have got no animal to reproduce in zero-G. Will the same be true for 1/3 G?
    To his credit, Bond did try.... ;)
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    MTimTMTimT Posts: 7,034

    FPT: Mr. Llama, perhaps your son is heir to the iron throne?

    Recessive gene for Highland ancestry? Perhaps you have more in common with JackW or, perish the thought, MalcG than you realise!
    Although I once read..... I think in a book abouut escaping from the Nazi’s .... that in Poland Jews are likely to be red-haired. Personally I’ve never met a red-haired Jew. At least AFAIK.
    Plenty of them in NYC
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    Charles said:

    RobD said:

    OT, but we are now on 6/6/6 medals... :naughty:

    Having followed your lead, I noticed that the IOC has banned Kuwait from the Olympics for "government interference in sport" but still thinks it's ok for Russia to participate
    Riiiiiight.

    "Government interference in sport"

    So is N.Korea not interfering in sport ?
    How about China ?

    They probably selected Kuwait from a lottery of small states that they can afford to ban.
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    malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 41,974
    kle4 said:

    Got to say I think the ruling is rotten.

    On the basis that they said (I believe) the party's NEC is allowed to set the rules it wants (even presuming the rules are unfair in some way) then it seems relatively sound, if shitty, but then the law is not about what is shitty.
    As they say the Law is an ASS
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    PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383
    New British women's high-jump record set in Heptathlon by Johnson-Thompson 1.98m

    Looked up the WR and it's been there since 1986! Set by a Bulgarian at 2.09m

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stefka_Kostadinova
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    Farcical decision to end - or not - a farcical process. Can there be an appeal to the Supreme Court now or is the Appeal Court's ruling final.

    Appeal Court have refused leave to appeal. And awarded all costs to the complainants.
    I'd be a bit pissed off were I one of them. Isn't that effectively saying that there's no reasonable ground for reaching an alternative decision - even though the High Court did exactly that?
    I don't get it either.

    It effectively gives Labour (and any other group with rules along similar lines) the right to act in a capricious manner to gerrymander an election result - and the courts will refuse to intervene.

    Personally I would have thought the law of the land regarding contracts trumped anything in a party rule book. At least it should.

    Labour is not a company and so the relationship is not a consumer/supplier one. When you join a political party you are bound by its rulebook and the Labour rulebook states the NEC sets the rules. It's not as if freezes have not been applied in the past.

    I didn't say it was a company. But a contractual arrangement does exist between a party and the members (as was shown by the first judgement)

    And this freeze (and massive price increase) should have been judged as to whether it was 'reasonable' within the framework of the rules (which Labour forgot to mention at the time of the first case)

    And there is a strong case to be made that it was a clear attempt to manipulate the outcome of the election and was not reasonable - particularly in light of the votes for the Mayoral candidates which didn't have to be bought for £25 a go.

    It is wrong. Everyone knows it is wrong. But the Appeal Court have relied on one very narrow view of a very poorly written rule - and denied people what was a clearly given role in party democracy.

    Labour (and the lawyers) should be ashamed of themselves.

    Three CoA judges - all senior to the original judge - have ruled comprehensively that he was wrong. They know the law better than we do.

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    Wulfrun_PhilWulfrun_Phil Posts: 4,601
    Pity the CLPs trying to jump through Olympic hoops in order to somehow hold valid nomination meetings for the Labour leadership as criteria for who is notified of them change twice in the space of 4 days, when 7 days notice is required of meetings to members and a substantial minority of members don't use e-mail.
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