Interestingly, I think David Malone is the same guy as the documentary maker who does science related stuff and made the truly brilliant 'Dangerous Knowledge' about understanding infinity.
No, he should have - as someone else said - have demanded, as the price of a referendum, that the eurosceptics get together a commission and decide amongst themselves what was going on the ballot (WTO, Single Market) as an alternative to the EU. If necessary, have three options on the ballot.
Then both sides could have sent out detailed manifestos.
He fucked it up, from his perspective, quite royally.
I'd have more sympathy with that view if it had been expressed prior to the referendum or the general election. It would have involved a lot of cabinet Brexiters breaking ran a whole lot earlier and would have made it much easier for the Remain side to win. Sounds an awful lot like buyer's remorse to me.
No, I think @SeanT is right here actually. Giving the option to just "leave" was I think... irresponsible by Dave. Anyway "Completely out" vs "EFTA" should definitely be a decision taken by the government and not the good people of Wigan - let's not compound the error
I don't buy a Leaver line that says Dave should have made it much harder for us to win.
Agreed and it's most amusing that all the Leavers with all their grand ideas about 'sunlit uphills' and 'crocks of gold at the end of the rainbow' are totally clueless about the great Brexit idea they've been ranting on about for decades. They run for the hills rather than accept any responsibility.
In fairness, two of them are running to be Prime Minister. I don't really know what more you want.
Hasn't the Bank Of England wanted a weaker Sterling for some time? Might a weaker pound help with regard to the global imbalances? Though not if it strengthens the dollar of course.
In theory, a weaker Sterling makes our exports cheaper, and makes imports more expensive. Therefore helping with our imbalances.
Unfortunately, demand for a lot of the things we import (such as oil, and natural gas) is very price inelastic. If Sterling halved, then our energy import bill would almost double.
Our exports are largely price inelastic too. Hence the fact that Sterling has fallen from $2.10 in 2007 to $1.30, and our exports have only increased 20% or so in that time.
$2.10 How was the dollar ever that weak ?
It was more than $2 to the £ for the whole of 2006-07 period while I was living in California as a student. Happy days.
In was in the 1.90s when I bought my house in California (at 40% off the asking price - that's what a bear market in property looks like)
Your experience in that may well soon prove invaluable here!
As a rule I don't divest strategic assets, so I will likely remain structurally long the London property market (both in the "super prime residential" and the "unique venue" segments)
I think Terminal 5 at Heathrow is fine. Not flash, but it works, which is a big improvement on what Heathrow used to be like. They just need that new runway. ideally two of them.
Mr. Topping, Cameron is in a position to try and do early negotiations on a reciprocal agreement for EU citizens currently in the UK and Britons currently in the EU getting confirmed residency rights (subject to the new PM agreeing, of course).
He could also be making reassuring noises* about the economy and the prospects for the future.
The suggestion he's tried to lengthen the proceedings of the leadership contest so he can toddle off to the G20 one last time is not an edifying decision. Collaborating with the leadership contenders on a Brexit negotiating team (lawyers etc not politicians) so they're ready to go for the new PM would be a good thing too.
*I realise that's not exactly hard and fast stuff, but with multiple leadership elections and the PM not being seen [excepting at a remembrance event] since he resigned it would help reduce the feeling of being rudderless.
Edited extra bit: advance work on the major options (fully out, EEA/EFTA, and a bespoke approach) should have been done, reducing the time it'll take the new PM to work through that.
Nah sorry Monsieur Morris. You are suggesting he began negotiations before the vote as though the vote had already been cast (and as though Leave had won).
And he couldn't make reassuring noises about the economy because, you know, all the experts told him otherwise.
So I ask again, what concrete measures could he have taken?
It is quite bizarre that all the Leavers on here were adamant before and now that they have no plan for the wonderful post-Brexit world they campaigned and voted for. The greatest example of political vandalism and nihilism probably in our history. Let's take an axe to the EU folks and afterwards... that's for government to sort out. They keep on saying it and sound dafter every time.
Last time I checked, I wasn't living in 10 Downing Street. It ain't my job to make those decisions, make those plans. I vote in a government to do that politics stuff. They gave me a choice and positively encouraged me to participate in the vote. I made a choice-over to them to try some of that government shit that they all claim to be so good at.
No-one would be so silly as to suggest you could ever live in 10 Downing street - we can agree on that - I was really thinking of people like Gove/Leadsom/Johnson/Fox who all have ambitions of a more realistic nature albeit postponed in the case of Johnson. They really should have had some well-prepared ideas as they couldn't have been so stupid as to think Cameron was going to do it for them.
oof! Get you!
lol - typical leaver response - like me to pass it on to Dave?
It was more than $2 to the £ for the whole of 2006-07 period while I was living in California as a student. Happy days.
Yep, my first trip to Vegas with Mrs Stodge was in 2006 and we got $2.05 to the £ and lived extremely well. A $40 meal for two (very good food as well) was less than £20 and even the $100 fine dining restaurants were affordable. I discovered Maggiano's on that first visit and we go every time (as well as The Cheesecake Factory).
More important, we stocked up on clothes and especially shoes - three pairs of shoes in Bass for $75.
We've experienced $1.45 to the £ but not $1.30 yet. At that rate our £20 dinner will have to cost $26 so it will be Denny's or the cheaper buffets backed up by some successful gambling.
I relieved Mr Wynn of a tidy sum on Christmas Eve which kept us going through a Palm Springs New Year - a glass of chilled local vino on the terrace at midnight....
Airports in the Far East are the best by a long shot. Tokyo, Singapore, Seoul, Shanghai, Hong Kong. And the people who work there aren't in a foul mood, unlike most other places.
Tokyo??? Narita is a 'mare.
Seoul is nice, but a long way away from the City.
Singapore and Hong Kong are, as you say, excellent.
Hong Kong is OK. No better than T5 at Heathrow in my experience. All the Asian airports I go to these days are fine if you are travelling business, less so if you are not. It always seems ot take an age for luggage to arrive at HK.
Yes I noticed that last time I went there as well, I normally don't travel with luggage and I was the only one in our party who had luggage. I ended up having to get the train.
I think Terminal 5 at Heathrow is fine. Not flash, but it works, which is a big improvement on what Heathrow used to be like. They just need that new runway. ideally two of them.
No, he should have - as someone else said - have demanded, as the price of a referendum, that the eurosceptics get together a commission and decide amongst themselves what was going on the ballot (WTO, Single Market) as an alternative to the EU. If necessary, have three options on the ballot.
Then both sides could have sent out detailed manifestos.
He fucked it up, from his perspective, quite royally.
I'd have more sympathy with that view if it had been expressed prior to the referendum or the general election. It would have involved a lot of cabinet Brexiters breaking ran a whole lot earlier and would have made it much easier for the Remain side to win. Sounds an awful lot like buyer's remorse to me.
No, I think @SeanT is right here actually. Giving the option to just "leave" was I think... irresponsible by Dave. Anyway "Completely out" vs "EFTA" should definitely be a decision taken by the government and not the good people of Wigan - let's not compound the error
I don't buy a Leaver line that says Dave should have made it much harder for us to win.
Agreed and it's most amusing that all the Leavers with all their grand ideas about 'sunlit uphills' and 'crocks of gold at the end of the rainbow' are totally clueless about the great Brexit idea they've been ranting on about for decades. They run for the hills rather than accept any responsibility.
In fairness, two of them are running to be Prime Minister. I don't really know what more you want.
Their Brexit plan might be a start - unless you think that Gove's rambling was one - did he ever finish?
Huge pressure on all the others to withdraw to give the Blessed Theresa a cornonation especially as Crabb supporters will back her. No second ballot as Gove, Crabb and Fox will all withdraw.
Mr. Topping, Cameron is in a position to try and do early negotiations on a reciprocal agreement for EU citizens currently in the UK and Britons currently in the EU getting confirmed residency rights (subject to the new PM agreeing, of course).
He could also be making reassuring noises* about the economy and the prospects for the future.
The suggestion he's tried to lengthen the proceedings of the leadership contest so he can toddle off to the G20 one last time is not an edifying decision. Collaborating with the leadership contenders on a Brexit negotiating team (lawyers etc not politicians) so they're ready to go for the new PM would be a good thing too. .
Edited extra bit: advance work on the major options (fully out, EEA/EFTA, and a bespoke approach) should have been done, reducing the time it'll take the new PM to work through that.
Nah sorry Monsieur Morris. You are suggesting he began negotiations before the vote as though the vote had already been cast (and as though Leave had won).
And he couldn't make reassuring noises about the economy because, you know, all the experts told him otherwise.
So I ask again, what concrete measures could he have taken?
It is quite bizarre that all the Leavers on here were adamant before and now that they have no plan for the wonderful post-Brexit world they campaigned and voted for. The greatest example of political vandalism and nihilism probably in our history. Let's take an axe to the EU folks and afterwards... that's for government to sort out. They keep on saying it and sound dafter every time.
Last time I checked, I wasn't living in 10 Downing Street. It ain't my job to make those decisions, make those plans. I vote in a government to do that politics stuff. They gave me a choice and positively encouraged me to participate in the vote. I made a choice-over to them to try some of that government shit that they all claim to be so good at.
No-one would be so silly as to suggest you could ever live in 10 Downing street - we can agree on that - I was really thinking of people like Gove/Leadsom/Johnson/Fox who all have ambitions of a more realistic nature albeit postponed in the case of Johnson. They really should have had some well-prepared ideas as they couldn't have been so stupid as to think Cameron was going to do it for them.
oof! Get you!
lol - typical leaver response - like me to pass it on to Dave?
Please do-I'm sure "Dave" hangs on the every word of some numpty internet smug git.
Well If I've heard Heathrow might not be such a good idea these days.
Heathrow is the most expensive plan that requires very high landing charges to fund it (hint BA does not want to pay, why do you think they bought Aer Lingus?). Plus the money quoted does not include any money towards any transport improvements (estimated to well over £10 billion) required. In contrast Gatwick is much cheaper and easier to build and will fund all transport requirements needed.
Apart from all that, the rumours is that Heathrow will never be able to borrow the money itself on the markets anymore.
Ken Clarke = loser in 2005 (last place in the first ballot!) Ken Clarke = loser in 2001 (lost to IDS (FFS!) in the final members' ballot!) Ken Clarke = loser in 1997 (lost to Hague (FFFFS!) in the final MPs' ballot!)
Airports in the Far East are the best by a long shot. Tokyo, Singapore, Seoul, Shanghai, Hong Kong. And the people who work there aren't in a foul mood, unlike most other places.
Tokyo??? Narita is a 'mare.
Seoul is nice, but a long way away from the City.
Singapore and Hong Kong are, as you say, excellent.
Hong Kong is OK. No better than T5 at Heathrow in my experience. All the Asian airports I go to these days are fine if you are travelling business, less so if you are not. It always seems ot take an age for luggage to arrive at HK.
Yes I noticed that last time I went there as well, I normally don't travel with luggage and I was the only one in our party who had luggage. I ended up having to get the train.
Why wouldn't you get the train anyway? Customs to Captain's Bar in record time.
No, he should have - as someone else said - have demanded, as the price of a referendum, that the eurosceptics get together a commission and decide amongst themselves what was going on the ballot (WTO, Single Market) as an alternative to the EU. If necessary, have three options on the ballot.
Then both sides could have sent out detailed manifestos.
He fucked it up, from his perspective, quite royally.
I'd have more sympathy with that view if it had been expressed prior to the referendum or the general election. It would have involved a lot of cabinet Brexiters breaking ran a whole lot earlier and would have made it much easier for the Remain side to win. Sounds an awful lot like buyer's remorse to me.
No, I think @SeanT is right here actually. Giving the option to just "leave" was I think... irresponsible by Dave. Anyway "Completely out" vs "EFTA" should definitely be a decision taken by the government and not the good people of Wigan - let's not compound the error
I don't buy a Leaver line that says Dave should have made it much harder for us to win.
Agreed and it's most amusing that all the Leavers with all their grand ideas about 'sunlit uphills' and 'crocks of gold at the end of the rainbow' are totally clueless about the great Brexit idea they've been ranting on about for decades. They run for the hills rather than accept any responsibility.
In fairness, two of them are running to be Prime Minister. I don't really know what more you want.
Their Brexit plan might be a start - unless you think that Gove's rambling was one - did he ever finish?
He did. He's a strange chap. I imagine he'll spend the rest of his political career wondering why no one trusts him.
I've not seen much detail from either, other than FoM is off the table. I'm assuming that this is positioning. We'll have to wait for hustings.
FWIW, we have four options:
a) Change our minds and do a Dallas (It was all a dream! scenario). b) Move to EEA + FoM as final destination (Fuck the working class scenario) c) Move to EEA + Fom as a transition to sunlit uplands + cornucopia of plenty (Martian scenario) d) Move directly to WTO with no FoM (Rerunning Imperial Japan in WW2 scenario)
I can't imagine any other variant, other than some negotiating shenanigans around option b) with some quota/limit/emergency brake as window dressing.
Well If I've heard Heathrow might not be such a good idea these days.
Heathrow is the most expensive plan that requires very high landing charges to fund it (hint BA does not want to pay, why do you think they bought Aer Lingus?). Plus the money quoted does not include any money towards any transport improvements (estimated to well over £10 billion) required. In contrast Gatwick is much cheaper and easier to build and will fund all transport requirements needed.
Apart from all that, the rumours is that Heathrow will never be able to borrow the money itself on the markets anymore.
Hasn't the Bank Of England wanted a weaker Sterling for some time? Might a weaker pound help with regard to the global imbalances? Though not if it strengthens the dollar of course.
In theory, a weaker Sterling makes our exports cheaper, and makes imports more expensive. Therefore helping with our imbalances.
Unfortunately, demand for a lot of the things we import (such as oil, and natural gas) is very price inelastic. If Sterling halved, then our energy import bill would almost double.
Our exports are largely price inelastic too. Hence the fact that Sterling has fallen from $2.10 in 2007 to $1.30, and our exports have only increased 20% or so in that time.
I wonder how much is price inelasticity and how much is structural in that we have given up on entire industries.
Afternoon, Mr. B. Traditionally some industries have called for a lower pound and lower interest rates so that they can export more. In my experience when they have been granted those conditions they have just pocket the difference in sterling earnings, paid them out to directors and shareholder sand carried on with the same volumes and markets.
Mr. Howl was on here earlier joyful at the new sterling rates as an exporter. I wounder how much effort he will be making to take true advantage of the situation. How many extra salesmen/sales teams does he intend to send overseas to open up new markets for his business or expand his penetration into existing markets. No disrespect to Mr Howl I merely ask.
Perhaps the same sort of question could be asked by parliamentary select committees of big companies like Rolls Royce and maybe of the Department of BIS, what extra support are they giving to companies to either start exporting or do more of it.
Huge pressure on all the others to withdraw to give the Blessed Theresa a cornonation especially as Crabb supporters will back her. No second ballot as Gove, Crabb and Fox will all withdraw.
Yes. I strongly doubt there will be a second ballot or a ballot of the membership. The last May rival left in, probably Leadsom, will leave it until late tonight or better still, tomorrow morning, before announcing her heroic unity-helping drop-out. Then May can call a press conference or get the cameras in as she moves into No.10, and the front pages won't cover the Chilcot report on the relatively uninteresting matter of a prime minister and senior intelligence officers telling dirty lies, at the behest of a foreign power, to "justify" a war that killed hundreds of thousands of people.
Huge pressure on all the others to withdraw to give the Blessed Theresa a cornonation especially as Crabb supporters will back her. No second ballot as Gove, Crabb and Fox will all withdraw.
Yes. I strongly doubt there will be a second ballot or a ballot of the membership. The last May rival left in, probably Leadsom, will leave it until late tonight or better still, tomorrow morning, before announcing her heroic unity-helping drop-out. Then May can call a press conference or get the cameras in as she moves into No.10, and the front pages won't cover the Chilcot report on the relatively uninteresting matter of a prime minister and senior intelligence officers telling dirty lies, at the behest of a foreign power, to "justify" a war that killed hundreds of thousands of people.
Huge pressure on all the others to withdraw to give the Blessed Theresa a cornonation especially as Crabb supporters will back her. No second ballot as Gove, Crabb and Fox will all withdraw.
Think TM would need to be much further ahead to justify mass withdrawals and a coronation. I think it would be seen as a statement of intent though.
Huge pressure on all the others to withdraw to give the Blessed Theresa a cornonation especially as Crabb supporters will back her. No second ballot as Gove, Crabb and Fox will all withdraw.
Yes. I strongly doubt there will be a second ballot or a ballot of the membership. The last May rival left in, probably Leadsom, will leave it until late tonight or better still, tomorrow morning, before announcing her heroic unity-helping drop-out. Then May can call a press conference or get the cameras in as she moves into No.10, and the front pages won't cover the Chilcot report on the relatively uninteresting matter of a prime minister and senior intelligence officers telling dirty lies, at the behest of a foreign power, to "justify" a war that killed hundreds of thousands of people.
The big news tomorrow will be Wales v Portugal.
So *that's* why Belgium folded.
Blair called in the favour we paid with on our rebate cut
Huge pressure on all the others to withdraw to give the Blessed Theresa a cornonation especially as Crabb supporters will back her. No second ballot as Gove, Crabb and Fox will all withdraw.
Yes. I strongly doubt there will be a second ballot or a ballot of the membership. The last May rival left in, probably Leadsom, will leave it until late tonight or better still, tomorrow morning, before announcing her heroic unity-helping drop-out. Then May can call a press conference or get the cameras in as she moves into No.10, and the front pages won't cover the Chilcot report on the relatively uninteresting matter of a prime minister and senior intelligence officers telling dirty lies, at the behest of a foreign power, to "justify" a war that killed hundreds of thousands of people.
Interesting to reflect tonight that the last time somebody who was not the incumbent leader topped the first ballot and went on to win was in 1975 (discounting 1989, 1990 and 1995). Every time since the early pacesetter has ended up coming second.
That's also true of 1990 of course, where Thatcher got more votes on the first round than Major did in the second but not quite enough to save her leadership.
@ThatTimWalker: Looking back, so much that #ProjectFear didn't even begin to address: hate crime, the political turmoil, extent of £ falling against $...
If five candidates stand in a leadership contest and are so convincingly beaten in the first round that they all step aside, is that strictly speaking a coronation per se? – Not that I think it likely however.
@ThatTimWalker: Looking back, so much that #ProjectFear didn't even begin to address: hate crime, the political turmoil, extent of £ falling against $...
Airports in the Far East are the best by a long shot. Tokyo, Singapore, Seoul, Shanghai, Hong Kong. And the people who work there aren't in a foul mood, unlike most other places.
Tokyo??? Narita is a 'mare.
Seoul is nice, but a long way away from the City.
Singapore and Hong Kong are, as you say, excellent.
Hong Kong is OK. No better than T5 at Heathrow in my experience. All the Asian airports I go to these days are fine if you are travelling business, less so if you are not. It always seems ot take an age for luggage to arrive at HK.
Yes I noticed that last time I went there as well, I normally don't travel with luggage and I was the only one in our party who had luggage. I ended up having to get the train.
Why wouldn't you get the train anyway? Customs to Captain's Bar in record time.
We had pre arranged transport to the hotel. I missed the first round of drinks as well.
Well If I've heard Heathrow might not be such a good idea these days.
Heathrow is the most expensive plan that requires very high landing charges to fund it (hint BA does not want to pay, why do you think they bought Aer Lingus?). Plus the money quoted does not include any money towards any transport improvements (estimated to well over £10 billion) required. In contrast Gatwick is much cheaper and easier to build and will fund all transport requirements needed.
Apart from all that, the rumours is that Heathrow will never be able to borrow the money itself on the markets anymore.
If anyone has any sense it's Gatwick.
I agree that Gatwick is the better option. However, living near it and traveling past it, by road and rail, on a regular basis, I strongly question the associated infrastructure costs that will fall on the taxpayer. I think the plans are grossly optimistic as would anyone who cared to pop down to the train station or try and drive up the M23 at the airport's peak times. Peak times incidentally which, in the morning, coincide with the commuter crush on the London-South Coast railways.
"But for travelers like Wen Zhihong, from China's western Chengdu, that means lower prices. She had been planning to spend her vacation traveling with her daughter in France and Italy, but said she changed her mind after the vote.
"Now it seems a better idea to travel to England," Wen, a university official, said. "With the depreciation of the pound, hotels, plane tickets and shopping are all much cheaper."
Ctrip.com, China's biggest online travel agency, has already sought to capitalize on the surge in interest, arguing this week that a summer vacation in Britain could now be a third cheaper, helping UK searches on its app triple.
The company put out flyers with a dancing, winking figure in a Union Jack t-shirt, under the slogan, in Chinese, "Brexit: travel on the drop", in reference to the weaker pound. In the background, a weeping figure in a European Union flag waves "bye".
a) Change our minds and do a Dallas (It was all a dream! scenario). b) Move to EEA + FoM as final destination (Fuck the working class scenario) c) Move to EEA + Fom as a transition to sunlit uplands + cornucopia of plenty (Martian scenario) d) Move directly to WTO with no FoM (Rerunning Imperial Japan in WW2 scenario)
I can't imagine any other variant, other than some negotiating shenanigans around option b) with some quota/limit/emergency brake as window dressing.
Clearly fuck the working class is the way to go. Then we wait by our metaphorical fax machine to be told by Brussels what laws and regulations to implement. Maybe Juncker himself will add a smiley face to the memo. Hmm. Don't see it.
The problem I have is that scenario (a) - let's pretend it was a dream and carry on regardless - is the only one that sort of makes sense. But it is the only one that we have formally rejected. It really isn't me going all Kuebler-Ross and in the five stages of grief about my beloved Remain vote.
"But for travelers like Wen Zhihong, from China's western Chengdu, that means lower prices. She had been planning to spend her vacation traveling with her daughter in France and Italy, but said she changed her mind after the vote.
"Now it seems a better idea to travel to England," Wen, a university official, said. "With the depreciation of the pound, hotels, plane tickets and shopping are all much cheaper."
Ctrip.com, China's biggest online travel agency, has already sought to capitalize on the surge in interest, arguing this week that a summer vacation in Britain could now be a third cheaper, helping UK searches on its app triple.
The company put out flyers with a dancing, winking figure in a Union Jack t-shirt, under the slogan, in Chinese, "Brexit: travel on the drop", in reference to the weaker pound. In the background, a weeping figure in a European Union flag waves "bye".
I have just caught up with Juncker's remarks. I voted remain.
Does anyone on here know if he's actually as pompous, arrogant, rude, incompetent, unselfaware, anti-democratic and stupid as he comes across, or is it all an act?
Whichever it is, if he were a sample of the EU sod Brexit, I'd be off to Canada. Fortunately in my experience he is not typical.
I have just caught up with Juncker's remarks. I voted remain.
Does anyone on here know if he's actually as pompous, arrogant, rude, incompetent, unselfaware, anti-democratic and stupid as he comes across, or is it all an act?
Whichever it is, if he were a sample of the EU sod Brexit, I'd be off to Canada. Fortunately in my experience he is not typical.
I think most politicians in Luxembourg and the surrounding area are like Juncker.
I have just caught up with Juncker's remarks. I voted remain.
Does anyone on here know if he's actually as pompous, arrogant, rude, incompetent, unselfaware, anti-democratic and stupid as he comes across, or is it all an act?
Whichever it is, if he were a sample of the EU sod Brexit, I'd be off to Canada. Fortunately in my experience he is not typical.
a) Change our minds and do a Dallas (It was all a dream! scenario). b) Move to EEA + FoM as final destination (Fuck the working class scenario) c) Move to EEA + Fom as a transition to sunlit uplands + cornucopia of plenty (Martian scenario) d) Move directly to WTO with no FoM (Rerunning Imperial Japan in WW2 scenario)
I can't imagine any other variant, other than some negotiating shenanigans around option b) with some quota/limit/emergency brake as window dressing.
Clearly fuck the working class is the way to go. Then we wait by our metaphorical fax machine to be told by Brussels what laws and regulations to implement. Maybe Juncker himself will add a smiley face to the memo. Hmm. Don't see it.
The problem I have is that scenario (a) - let's pretend it was a dream and carry regardless - is the only one that sort of makes sense. But it is the only one that we have formally rejected. It really isn't me going all Kuebler-Ross and in the five stages of grief about my beloved Remain vote.
You've always been very reasonable in your objections, so I accept your point on K-R .
"But for travelers like Wen Zhihong, from China's western Chengdu, that means lower prices. She had been planning to spend her vacation traveling with her daughter in France and Italy, but said she changed her mind after the vote.
"Now it seems a better idea to travel to England," Wen, a university official, said. "With the depreciation of the pound, hotels, plane tickets and shopping are all much cheaper."
Ctrip.com, China's biggest online travel agency, has already sought to capitalize on the surge in interest, arguing this week that a summer vacation in Britain could now be a third cheaper, helping UK searches on its app triple.
The company put out flyers with a dancing, winking figure in a Union Jack t-shirt, under the slogan, in Chinese, "Brexit: travel on the drop", in reference to the weaker pound. In the background, a weeping figure in a European Union flag waves "bye".
I have just caught up with Juncker's remarks. I voted remain.
Does anyone on here know if he's actually as pompous, arrogant, rude, incompetent, unselfaware, anti-democratic and stupid as he comes across, or is it all an act?
Whichever it is, if he were a sample of the EU sod Brexit, I'd be off to Canada. Fortunately in my experience he is not typical.
Sadly, he's all that. Juncker and Schulz are the most visible standard bearers for the More Europe fraternity in the EU. Their project stalled after Lisbon, and they're using Brexit as the cause celebre to do just that.
If it wasn't so serious, it would be fascinating to see the power struggle developing between the Commission, the Parliament and the Council.
Airports in the Far East are the best by a long shot. Tokyo, Singapore, Seoul, Shanghai, Hong Kong. And the people who work there aren't in a foul mood, unlike most other places.
Tokyo??? Narita is a 'mare.
Seoul is nice, but a long way away from the City.
Singapore and Hong Kong are, as you say, excellent.
Get the BA flight to Haneda if you can.
I must do that; and Haneda also avoids the appalling hour and a bit bus or taxi ride.
@ThatTimWalker: Looking back, so much that #ProjectFear didn't even begin to address: hate crime, the political turmoil, extent of £ falling against $...
I admit I was wrong, I always said judge brexit on day 10 after the vote. Clearly day 10 hasn't gone well and I think we should reverse the decision
Markets hate uncertainty.
Delaying Article 50 is causing much of the current uncertainty. Clearly the UK needs to trigger Article 50 immediately and get out of the EU. Out means out and the UK voted out.
"But for travelers like Wen Zhihong, from China's western Chengdu, that means lower prices. She had been planning to spend her vacation traveling with her daughter in France and Italy, but said she changed her mind after the vote.
"Now it seems a better idea to travel to England," Wen, a university official, said. "With the depreciation of the pound, hotels, plane tickets and shopping are all much cheaper."
Ctrip.com, China's biggest online travel agency, has already sought to capitalize on the surge in interest, arguing this week that a summer vacation in Britain could now be a third cheaper, helping UK searches on its app triple.
The company put out flyers with a dancing, winking figure in a Union Jack t-shirt, under the slogan, in Chinese, "Brexit: travel on the drop", in reference to the weaker pound. In the background, a weeping figure in a European Union flag waves "bye".
Well If I've heard Heathrow might not be such a good idea these days.
Heathrow is the most expensive plan that requires very high landing charges to fund it (hint BA does not want to pay, why do you think they bought Aer Lingus?). Plus the money quoted does not include any money towards any transport improvements (estimated to well over £10 billion) required. In contrast Gatwick is much cheaper and easier to build and will fund all transport requirements needed.
Apart from all that, the rumours is that Heathrow will never be able to borrow the money itself on the markets anymore.
If anyone has any sense it's Gatwick.
I agree that Gatwick is the better option. However, living near it and traveling past it, by road and rail, on a regular basis, I strongly question the associated infrastructure costs that will fall on the taxpayer. I think the plans are grossly optimistic as would anyone who cared to pop down to the train station or try and drive up the M23 at the airport's peak times. Peak times incidentally which, in the morning, coincide with the commuter crush on the London-South Coast railways.
It's a bugger to get to. I had a flight at 7am yesterday from Gatwick & had to leave home at 5am - at Heathrow I could have got another 30 minutes kip!
Singapore and Hong Kong are, as you say, excellent.
Being given a tiny boiled sweet by passport control does not make an airport excellent.
I don't think I've ever had a more stressful travel experience than trying to change planes at Singapore. A connecting flight with the same carrier required a walk of OVER A MILE and two airside passes through security.
With only a 45 minute turnaround.
Immediately after the initial 15 hour flight to Singapore.
And then there's the stupid metro system out of Changi airport which requires you to change trains after about two stops - basically everybody and their luggage unless they're going to an airport hotel at the intermediate stop, or the conference centre thingy.
Awful. Absolutely awful. At least in the big US airports you can usually get some half-decent beer these days.
Denver is the worst plane change I've come across recently. Nearly missed a connecting flight because they require changing passengers to go through the same security as everyone coming in from the outside.
Airports in the Far East are the best by a long shot. Tokyo, Singapore, Seoul, Shanghai, Hong Kong. And the people who work there aren't in a foul mood, unlike most other places.
Tokyo??? Narita is a 'mare.
Seoul is nice, but a long way away from the City.
Singapore and Hong Kong are, as you say, excellent.
Get the BA flight to Haneda if you can.
I must do that; and Haneda also avoids the appalling hour and a bit bus or taxi ride.
What do you think of the oh la la claim I posted at 17.16?
Airports in the Far East are the best by a long shot. Tokyo, Singapore, Seoul, Shanghai, Hong Kong. And the people who work there aren't in a foul mood, unlike most other places.
Tokyo??? Narita is a 'mare.
Seoul is nice, but a long way away from the City.
Singapore and Hong Kong are, as you say, excellent.
Get the BA flight to Haneda if you can.
I must do that; and Haneda also avoids the appalling hour and a bit bus or taxi ride.
It does and the attendant said that they are switching to the 787 soon as well last time I was on it. Plus it lands at a reasonable hour.
Kudos to you. Flying the flag for Remain yet seeing your dreams turn to ashes, you carry on bravely, despite being the Goliath felled by David. "Why, tis only a flesh wound," you say as your brains lie dashed out in the dust.
Roger has disappeared to sulk, Cameron is licking his wounds and on a go-slow, but you'll have none of it. You'll fight to the death for your beloved one nation state of Europia, where President Juncker crushes the nay-sayers beneath his feet.
Anyway, for me, the Brexit issue is decisive. I am getting increasingly nervous about the wobbling and the suggestions that Article 50 might not be activated for months, or years, or ever. We need a PM who can be trusted to enact Brexit and get on with it a.s.a.p. That means Leadsom. Trouble is, questions about her experience.
Previous thread: Leadsom is the "stop Gove" candidate ( as far as the top two are concerned), not the other way round. I would prefer Gove, but he is now seen as tainted so it will probably have to be Leadsom
Singapore and Hong Kong are, as you say, excellent.
Being given a tiny boiled sweet by passport control does not make an airport excellent.
I don't think I've ever had a more stressful travel experience than trying to change planes at Singapore. A connecting flight with the same carrier required a walk of OVER A MILE and two airside passes through security.
With only a 45 minute turnaround.
Immediately after the initial 15 hour flight to Singapore.
And then there's the stupid metro system out of Changi airport which requires you to change trains after about two stops - basically everybody and their luggage unless they're going to an airport hotel at the intermediate stop, or the conference centre thingy.
Awful. Absolutely awful. At least in the big US airports you can usually get some half-decent beer these days.
Denver is the worst plane change I've come across recently. Nearly missed a connecting flight because they require changing passengers to go through the same security as everyone coming in from the outside.
Well If I've heard Heathrow might not be such a good idea these days.
Heathrow is the most expensive plan that requires very high landing charges to fund it (hint BA does not want to pay, why do you think they bought Aer Lingus?). Plus the money quoted does not include any money towards any transport improvements (estimated to well over £10 billion) required. In contrast Gatwick is much cheaper and easier to build and will fund all transport requirements needed.
Apart from all that, the rumours is that Heathrow will never be able to borrow the money itself on the markets anymore.
If anyone has any sense it's Gatwick.
I agree that Gatwick is the better option. However, living near it and traveling past it, by road and rail, on a regular basis, I strongly question the associated infrastructure costs that will fall on the taxpayer. I think the plans are grossly optimistic as would anyone who cared to pop down to the train station or try and drive up the M23 at the airport's peak times. Peak times incidentally which, in the morning, coincide with the commuter crush on the London-South Coast railways.
Is it still the case that there's no exit from the M23 between the M25 and the airport, around ten miles? Missed a flight once after an accident closed the M23 and there was no way of getting round it. Serious infrastructure needed at LGW anyway, another runway would only make the issues worse.
They should really build both LHR and LGW runways, if they want an outside-the-box idea then an airside Hyperloop linking the two airports would allow fast transfers between them.
Singapore and Hong Kong are, as you say, excellent.
Being given a tiny boiled sweet by passport control does not make an airport excellent.
I don't think I've ever had a more stressful travel experience than trying to change planes at Singapore. A connecting flight with the same carrier required a walk of OVER A MILE and two airside passes through security.
With only a 45 minute turnaround.
Immediately after the initial 15 hour flight to Singapore.
And then there's the stupid metro system out of Changi airport which requires you to change trains after about two stops - basically everybody and their luggage unless they're going to an airport hotel at the intermediate stop, or the conference centre thingy.
Awful. Absolutely awful. At least in the big US airports you can usually get some half-decent beer these days.
Denver is the worst plane change I've come across recently. Nearly missed a connecting flight because they require changing passengers to go through the same security as everyone coming in from the outside.
I used Denver airport in 2010/2011, but luckily on direct flights to/from Heathrow
Kudos to you. Flying the flag for Remain yet seeing your dreams turn to ashes, you carry on bravely, despite being the Goliath felled by David. "Why, tis only a flesh wound," you say as your brains lie dashed out in the dust.
Roger has disappeared to sulk, Cameron is licking his wounds and on a go-slow, but you'll have none of it. You'll fight to the death for your beloved one nation state of Europia, where President Juncker crushes the nay-sayers beneath his feet.
Please explain what benefit we derive from pro-European individuals and parties being legal. I presume you think there is some
Hasn't the Bank Of England wanted a weaker Sterling for some time? Might a weaker pound help with regard to the global imbalances? Though not if it strengthens the dollar of course.
In theory, a weaker Sterling makes our exports cheaper, and makes imports more expensive. Therefore helping with our imbalances.
Unfortunately, demand for a lot of the things we import (such as oil, and natural gas) is very price inelastic. If Sterling halved, then our energy import bill would almost double.
Our exports are largely price inelastic too. Hence the fact that Sterling has fallen from $2.10 in 2007 to $1.30, and our exports have only increased 20% or so in that time.
$2.10 How was the dollar ever that weak ?
It was more than $2 to the £ for the whole of 2006-07 period while I was living in California as a student. Happy days.
In was in the 1.90s when I bought my house in California (at 40% off the asking price - that's what a bear market in property looks like)
Your experience in that may well soon prove invaluable here!
As a rule I don't divest strategic assets, so I will likely remain structurally long the London property market (both in the "super prime residential" and the "unique venue" segments)
If you're going to live in your house for the next 30 years (as I suspect both you and I will do), then then the vagaries of the property market are irrelevent.
However, what we're likely to end up with is quite an illiquid market, with very few transactions from non-forced sellers.
"But for travelers like Wen Zhihong, from China's western Chengdu, that means lower prices. She had been planning to spend her vacation traveling with her daughter in France and Italy, but said she changed her mind after the vote.
"Now it seems a better idea to travel to England," Wen, a university official, said. "With the depreciation of the pound, hotels, plane tickets and shopping are all much cheaper."
Ctrip.com, China's biggest online travel agency, has already sought to capitalize on the surge in interest, arguing this week that a summer vacation in Britain could now be a third cheaper, helping UK searches on its app triple.
The company put out flyers with a dancing, winking figure in a Union Jack t-shirt, under the slogan, in Chinese, "Brexit: travel on the drop", in reference to the weaker pound. In the background, a weeping figure in a European Union flag waves "bye".
"But for travelers like Wen Zhihong, from China's western Chengdu, that means lower prices. She had been planning to spend her vacation traveling with her daughter in France and Italy, but said she changed her mind after the vote.
"Now it seems a better idea to travel to England," Wen, a university official, said. "With the depreciation of the pound, hotels, plane tickets and shopping are all much cheaper."
Ctrip.com, China's biggest online travel agency, has already sought to capitalize on the surge in interest, arguing this week that a summer vacation in Britain could now be a third cheaper, helping UK searches on its app triple.
The company put out flyers with a dancing, winking figure in a Union Jack t-shirt, under the slogan, in Chinese, "Brexit: travel on the drop", in reference to the weaker pound. In the background, a weeping figure in a European Union flag waves "bye".
Hospitality, entertainment and shopping venues will do very well.
While the rest of the economy tanks...
Exporters should do well as Hovercraft pointed out earlier, and domestic suppliers should find the environment more conducive to competing with imports.
Singapore and Hong Kong are, as you say, excellent.
Being given a tiny boiled sweet by passport control does not make an airport excellent.
I don't think I've ever had a more stressful travel experience than trying to change planes at Singapore. A connecting flight with the same carrier required a walk of OVER A MILE and two airside passes through security.
With only a 45 minute turnaround.
Immediately after the initial 15 hour flight to Singapore.
And then there's the stupid metro system out of Changi airport which requires you to change trains after about two stops - basically everybody and their luggage unless they're going to an airport hotel at the intermediate stop, or the conference centre thingy.
Awful. Absolutely awful. At least in the big US airports you can usually get some half-decent beer these days.
Denver is the worst plane change I've come across recently. Nearly missed a connecting flight because they require changing passengers to go through the same security as everyone coming in from the outside.
"But for travelers like Wen Zhihong, from China's western Chengdu, that means lower prices. She had been planning to spend her vacation traveling with her daughter in France and Italy, but said she changed her mind after the vote.
"Now it seems a better idea to travel to England," Wen, a university official, said. "With the depreciation of the pound, hotels, plane tickets and shopping are all much cheaper."
Ctrip.com, China's biggest online travel agency, has already sought to capitalize on the surge in interest, arguing this week that a summer vacation in Britain could now be a third cheaper, helping UK searches on its app triple.
The company put out flyers with a dancing, winking figure in a Union Jack t-shirt, under the slogan, in Chinese, "Brexit: travel on the drop", in reference to the weaker pound. In the background, a weeping figure in a European Union flag waves "bye".
Hospitality, entertainment and shopping venues will do very well.
We're saved! Who needs the City anyway.
Much of my family works in the City doing jobs that they're unable to explain the purpose of to me but nevertheless earning obscene salaries. I sincerely hope that Britain returns to making beautiful and useful things, and my relatives find respectable employment.
"That said, campaigns aren't governed by the ultimate legality of what Clinton did or didn't do. So, while dodging an indictment is a good thing — she isn't under criminal investigation and remains a candidate — it's a far different thing from being cleared (or even close to it) in the court of public opinion.
Singapore and Hong Kong are, as you say, excellent.
Being given a tiny boiled sweet by passport control does not make an airport excellent.
I don't think I've ever had a more stressful travel experience than trying to change planes at Singapore. A connecting flight with the same carrier required a walk of OVER A MILE and two airside passes through security.
With only a 45 minute turnaround.
Immediately after the initial 15 hour flight to Singapore.
And then there's the stupid metro system out of Changi airport which requires you to change trains after about two stops - basically everybody and their luggage unless they're going to an airport hotel at the intermediate stop, or the conference centre thingy.
Awful. Absolutely awful. At least in the big US airports you can usually get some half-decent beer these days.
Denver is the worst plane change I've come across recently. Nearly missed a connecting flight because they require changing passengers to go through the same security as everyone coming in from the outside.
Comments
Leave was always in the lead: why the polls got the referendum result wrong https://t.co/4y6spVtucq https://t.co/GvQcsaGNBq
More important, we stocked up on clothes and especially shoes - three pairs of shoes in Bass for $75.
We've experienced $1.45 to the £ but not $1.30 yet. At that rate our £20 dinner will have to cost $26 so it will be Denny's or the cheaper buffets backed up by some successful gambling.
I relieved Mr Wynn of a tidy sum on Christmas Eve which kept us going through a Palm Springs New Year - a glass of chilled local vino on the terrace at midnight....
Hmm.
AOh my... 63% of German Bund are no longer eligible to ECB QE (only 7 issues left!). https://t.co/LrM3FVYhVg
Expectations for tonight:
May 205
Leadsom 60
Gove 40
Crabb 15
Fox 15
Huge pressure on all the others to withdraw to give the Blessed Theresa a cornonation especially as Crabb supporters will back her. No second ballot as Gove, Crabb and Fox will all withdraw.
Heathrow is the most expensive plan that requires very high landing charges to fund it (hint BA does not want to pay, why do you think they bought Aer Lingus?). Plus the money quoted does not include any money towards any transport improvements (estimated to well over £10 billion) required.
In contrast Gatwick is much cheaper and easier to build and will fund all transport requirements needed.
Apart from all that, the rumours is that Heathrow will never be able to borrow the money itself on the markets anymore.
If anyone has any sense it's Gatwick.
Wow. That's really impressive.
Ken Clarke = loser in 2001 (lost to IDS (FFS!) in the final members' ballot!)
Ken Clarke = loser in 1997 (lost to Hague (FFFFS!) in the final MPs' ballot!)
I've not seen much detail from either, other than FoM is off the table. I'm assuming that this is positioning. We'll have to wait for hustings.
FWIW, we have four options:
a) Change our minds and do a Dallas (It was all a dream! scenario).
b) Move to EEA + FoM as final destination (Fuck the working class scenario)
c) Move to EEA + Fom as a transition to sunlit uplands + cornucopia of plenty (Martian scenario)
d) Move directly to WTO with no FoM (Rerunning Imperial Japan in WW2 scenario)
I can't imagine any other variant, other than some negotiating shenanigans around option b) with some quota/limit/emergency brake as window dressing.
And the 5x going on 26 Smug-ler that is Mr Hislop.
Mr. Howl was on here earlier joyful at the new sterling rates as an exporter. I wounder how much effort he will be making to take true advantage of the situation. How many extra salesmen/sales teams does he intend to send overseas to open up new markets for his business or expand his penetration into existing markets. No disrespect to Mr Howl I merely ask.
Perhaps the same sort of question could be asked by parliamentary select committees of big companies like Rolls Royce and maybe of the Department of BIS, what extra support are they giving to companies to either start exporting or do more of it.
Chilcot report to be released at 10am tomorrow.
God help us all!
Blair called in the favour we paid with on our rebate cut
https://twitter.com/johngapper/status/750271361382252544
Of course it now looks like those 30 years experience might have been making the tea...
That's also true of 1990 of course, where Thatcher got more votes on the first round than Major did in the second but not quite enough to save her leadership.
@ThatTimWalker: @adamboultonSKY @jac151515 And, one by one, everyone who championed Brexit heading for the hills... we weren't warned about that either..
It does look like Cameron and Osborne were not pessimistic enough...
What a choice. I want them both to lose.
Coronation?
Come on, MPs. Abandon Gove, the Bespectacled Backstabber.
"Now it seems a better idea to travel to England," Wen, a university official, said. "With the depreciation of the pound, hotels, plane tickets and shopping are all much cheaper."
Ctrip.com, China's biggest online travel agency, has already sought to capitalize on the surge in interest, arguing this week that a summer vacation in Britain could now be a third cheaper, helping UK searches on its app triple.
The company put out flyers with a dancing, winking figure in a Union Jack t-shirt, under the slogan, in Chinese, "Brexit: travel on the drop", in reference to the weaker pound. In the background, a weeping figure in a European Union flag waves "bye".
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-britain-eu-travel-searches-idUSKCN0ZD33O
Hospitality, entertainment and shopping venues will do very well.
I still reckon a Boris write-in could yet win it....
The problem I have is that scenario (a) - let's pretend it was a dream and carry on regardless - is the only one that sort of makes sense. But it is the only one that we have formally rejected. It really isn't me going all Kuebler-Ross and in the five stages of grief about my beloved Remain vote.
Does anyone on here know if he's actually as pompous, arrogant, rude, incompetent, unselfaware, anti-democratic and stupid as he comes across, or is it all an act?
Whichever it is, if he were a sample of the EU sod Brexit, I'd be off to Canada. Fortunately in my experience he is not typical.
If it wasn't so serious, it would be fascinating to see the power struggle developing between the Commission, the Parliament and the Council.
Delaying Article 50 is causing much of the current uncertainty. Clearly the UK needs to trigger Article 50 immediately and get out of the EU. Out means out and the UK voted out.
But it does tell us some interesting things about the New World Order: https://www.buzzfeed.com/rickysans/the-mysterious-conspiracy-theories-surrounding-the-denver-ai?utm_term=.kgeZ9bXm4#.wrKVx174M
http://www.dw.com/en/eu-commission-ceta-should-be-approved-by-national-parliaments/a-19379263
'FTSE 100 is up.'
Don't spoil Scott's day.
Hillary Clinton's email problems might be even worse than we thought https://t.co/IM6p7j4er9 https://t.co/vL7zJ2Jjml
Kudos to you. Flying the flag for Remain yet seeing your dreams turn to ashes, you carry on bravely, despite being the Goliath felled by David. "Why, tis only a flesh wound," you say as your brains lie dashed out in the dust.
Roger has disappeared to sulk, Cameron is licking his wounds and on a go-slow, but you'll have none of it. You'll fight to the death for your beloved one nation state of Europia, where President Juncker crushes the nay-sayers beneath his feet.
O'Hare is tedious, JFK shabby, LAX appalling designed, Newark a mess. SFO is ok, I suppose - and Logan not too bad.
They should really build both LHR and LGW runways, if they want an outside-the-box idea then an airside Hyperloop linking the two airports would allow fast transfers between them.
However, what we're likely to end up with is quite an illiquid market, with very few transactions from non-forced sellers.
'Another kick in the balls for Juncker. This is the best sport ever.
http://www.dw.com/en/eu-commission-ceta-should-be-approved-by-national-parliaments/a-19379263'
He'll be dumped by the end of the year.
For a candidate already badly struggling on questions of whether she is honest and trustworthy enough to hold the office to which she aspires, Comey's comments are devastating. Watching them, I could close my eyes and imagine them spliced into a bevy of 30-second ads — all of which end with the FBI director rebuking Clinton as "extremely careless." https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/07/05/hillary-clintons-email-problems-might-be-even-worse-than-we-thought/?postshare=3601467734897955&tid=ss_tw