He doesn't seriously think he would lead a grouping comprised of ten times as many MPs as he currently commands, does he?
Perhaps he takes the view that it's better to be senior in an organisation going somewhere than leader of a failing organisation. See by way of example the Anglo "mergers" of Scottish law firms.
I don't think I can really comment on that example!
He doesn't seriously think he would lead a grouping comprised of ten times as many MPs as he currently commands, does he?
Perhaps he takes the view that it's better to be senior in an organisation going somewhere than leader of a failing organisation. See by way of example the Anglo "mergers" of Scottish law firms.
"Refuses to rule out" must be the most worthless phrase in political reporting.
He doesn't seriously think he would lead a grouping comprised of ten times as many MPs as he currently commands, does he?
Perhaps he takes the view that it's better to be senior in an organisation going somewhere than leader of a failing organisation. See by way of example the Anglo "mergers" of Scottish law firms.
"Refuses to rule out" must be the most worthless phrase in political reporting.
Imagine if the Conservative party elect Gove as their leader. Jesus H Christ.
How do PBers rank Gove's chances of getting elected?
Boris will be crying into his cornflakes now though....
Not great. He's got interesting ideas, but seems divisive to me. I am surprised he'd stand, I assume this might split the Boris vote?
Yep. My inkling is that Gove wants CoE... And May will give it to him if she wins... And you really don't want to be Cabinet member for Leave do you...
I'd love Gove to say he is standing as an interim leader until say early 2019, to oversee Brexit and no more. Meantime, a few more can get Cabinet experience and show their true worth (or otherwise) to the voters for the 2020's. I think he'd walk it then.....
Imagine if the Conservative party elect Gove as their leader. Jesus H Christ.
How do PBers rank Gove's chances of getting elected?
Boris will be crying into his cornflakes now though....
More worrying than Boris. I don't think he'd make it, the split may end up looking a lot like it is now, with around 40% of leavers going for May and few to no remainers going for Gove, but it may be as low as 20% of leavers going for May. Gove has a different appeal to Boris with different drawbacks.
We also need to see what happens with Labour, if they manage to walk back on to the path of electablility then May has it in the bag. Gove doesn't have enough wider appeal among the public to beat an electable Labour party in 2020.
He doesn't seriously think he would lead a grouping comprised of ten times as many MPs as he currently commands, does he?
Perhaps he takes the view that it's better to be senior in an organisation going somewhere than leader of a failing organisation. See by way of example the Anglo "mergers" of Scottish law firms.
"Refuses to rule out" must be the most worthless phrase in political reporting.
Imagine if the Conservative party elect Gove as their leader. Jesus H Christ.
How do PBers rank Gove's chances of getting elected?
Boris will be crying into his cornflakes now though....
Not great. He's got interesting ideas, but seems divisive to me. I am surprised he'd stand, I assume this might split the Boris vote?
Yep. My inkling is that Gove wants CoE... And May will give it to him if she wins... And you really don't want to be Cabinet member for Leave do you...
Amidst the PB Leave euphoria, I am still not sure.
I don't like people lying to me and I know that events change so people change their minds but he looked at us and said he wouldn't.
But then, you know, I am a conservative Conservative. Not one of these mobile, going through the Parties on the whim of a bad speech or wrongly raised eyebrow, jelly Conservatives.
I'm also intrigued by the idea of having someone who doesn't want to fly as our PM. European meetings only for him - I guess that would put a stop to this bold new globally trading Britain. A problem for G7 meetings too, I guess.
Imagine if the Conservative party elect Gove as their leader. Jesus H Christ.
How do PBers rank Gove's chances of getting elected?
Boris will be crying into his cornflakes now though....
Not great. He's got interesting ideas, but seems divisive to me. I am surprised he'd stand, I assume this might split the Boris vote?
Yep. My inkling is that Gove wants CoE... And May will give it to him if she wins... And you really don't want to be Cabinet member for Leave do you...
Amidst the PB Leave euphoria, I am still not sure.
I don't like people lying to me and I know that events change so people change their minds but he looked at us and said he wouldn't.
But then, you know, I am a conservative Conservative. Not one of these mobile, going through the Parties on the whim of a bad speech or wrongly raised eyebrow, jelly Conservatives.
I think part of the battle is to stop Boris being in the final 2...
I am still tickled by the idea that London's financial sector will be shared out between Amsterdam, Paris and Frankfurt. The whole advantage of a financial cluster is that it exists in one place where all the other firms and talent is. Amsterdam is not even a second tier financial cluster. The bankers will surely love the 49% income tax rate in Paris with a wealth tax on top. And Frankfurt is one of the most boring cities in the world. People dread going on business trips there, God forbid living there. Meanwhile London will increase the two thirds of financial service exports to non-EU countries as we sign more trade deals, and we can also scrap the banker bonus cap.
People also appear to be forgetting employment laws in France.
I am sure dynamic businesses paying huge salaries will love that environment...........
Remember the people discussing banks moving to Paris / Frankfurt / Dublin are those in Paris / Frankfurt / Dublin who want people to move there...
With respect (a) it's not just banks; and (b) it's being discussed in London and contingency plans are being activated.
A week after the referendum was held and there's still no news of the winner of the PB.com competition, sponsored by Wm. Hill. I had been given to understand that the clever software employed enabled the full results to simply plop out at the touch of a button .... clearly I was wrong!
I can only think Johnson has has a serious wobble behind the scenes.
I imagine Gove asked Boris (and probably Theresa) to put immigration at the front of any EU negotiation, he got the big fat "no" so he has decided to run as the standard bearer for the right wing anti-immigration lot. If Fox bows out and backs Gove then we know it's on.
Machiavellian politics. I think Gove stands a very good chance of winning. He understands momentum in politics, and ultimately May has never been loved.
Imagine if the Conservative party elect Gove as their leader. Jesus H Christ.
How do PBers rank Gove's chances of getting elected?
Boris will be crying into his cornflakes now though....
Not great. He's got interesting ideas, but seems divisive to me. I am surprised he'd stand, I assume this might split the Boris vote?
Yep. My inkling is that Gove wants CoE... And May will give it to him if she wins... And you really don't want to be Cabinet member for Leave do you...
Amidst the PB Leave euphoria, I am still not sure.
I don't like people lying to me and I know that events change so people change their minds but he looked at us and said he wouldn't.
But then, you know, I am a conservative Conservative. Not one of these mobile, going through the Parties on the whim of a bad speech or wrongly raised eyebrow, jelly Conservatives.
I think part of the battle is to stop Boris being in the final 2...
It's quite a complicated, not to say dangerous game, though...
He polled better than Johnson in the YouGov poll if still behind May in terms of positive/negative opinion. He wasn't a named candidate in the polling having declared himself out but it implies that a head to head with May would be closer if he gets that far.
New YouGov please!
No. This requires a gold standard effort. TNS/Opinium, PB needs you!
YouGov's final eve of referendum poll was actually pretty good on the referendum. It had a tied result based on those responding who said they had decided. So the survey data was good.
Where YouGov went wrong was (1) to ignore what the poll was telling them about turnout in terms of certainty to vote and to instead adjust their result based on different assumptions about turnout drawn from lessons in the general election and (2) to assume that some people who had not made their mind up and by a small balance were leaning to remain would actually vote in the same proportions as everyone else even though this would have implied a >90% turnout from their panel.
So taking YouGov's actual polling on preferences and applying what their polling was telling them about turnout would have had Leave just ahead. They must be kicking themselves for cocking it up at the final hurdle having been the company which was also showing the best polling for Leave for most of the campaign (without a turnout filter as I pointed out several times here).
So their polling was vindicated, it's just the way they chose to use it at the 11th hour which was not.
And, by the way, they have a pretty good record too in polling for Conservative and Labour Party internal elections.
Imagine if the Conservative party elect Gove as their leader. Jesus H Christ.
How do PBers rank Gove's chances of getting elected?
Boris will be crying into his cornflakes now though....
Not great. He's got interesting ideas, but seems divisive to me. I am surprised he'd stand, I assume this might split the Boris vote?
Yep. My inkling is that Gove wants CoE... And May will give it to him if she wins... And you really don't want to be Cabinet member for Leave do you...
Amidst the PB Leave euphoria, I am still not sure.
I don't like people lying to me and I know that events change so people change their minds but he looked at us and said he wouldn't.
But then, you know, I am a conservative Conservative. Not one of these mobile, going through the Parties on the whim of a bad speech or wrongly raised eyebrow, jelly Conservatives.
I think part of the battle is to stop Boris being in the final 2...
It's quite a complicated, not to say dangerous game, though...
Wow. Big development. Do we think Gove is standing, knowing he may not win, but to then rally around someone other than Boris later? Perhaps this is why Leadsom is standing too?
Imagine if the Conservative party elect Gove as their leader. Jesus H Christ.
How do PBers rank Gove's chances of getting elected?
Boris will be crying into his cornflakes now though....
Not great. He's got interesting ideas, but seems divisive to me. I am surprised he'd stand, I assume this might split the Boris vote?
Yep. My inkling is that Gove wants CoE... And May will give it to him if she wins... And you really don't want to be Cabinet member for Leave do you...
Amidst the PB Leave euphoria, I am still not sure.
I don't like people lying to me and I know that events change so people change their minds but he looked at us and said he wouldn't.
But then, you know, I am a conservative Conservative. Not one of these mobile, going through the Parties on the whim of a bad speech or wrongly raised eyebrow, jelly Conservatives.
I think part of the battle is to stop Boris being in the final 2...
It's quite a complicated, not to say dangerous game, though...
YouGov's final eve of referendum poll was actually pretty good on the referendum. It had a tied result based on those responding who said they had decided. So the survey data was good.
Where YouGov went wrong was (1) to ignore what the poll was telling them about turnout in terms of certainty to vote and to instead adjust their result based on different assumptions about turnout drawn from lessons in the general election and (2) to assume that some people who had not made their mind up and by a small balance were leaning to remain would actually vote in the same proportions as everyone else even though this would have implied a >90% turnout from their panel.
So taking YouGov's actual polling on preferences and applying what their polling was telling them about turnout would have had Leave just ahead. They must be kicking themselves for cocking it up at the final hurdle having been the company which was also showing the best polling for Leave for most of the campaign (without a turnout filter as I pointed out several times here).
So their polling was vindicated, it's just the way they chose to use it at the 11th hour which was not.
And, by the way, they have a pretty good record too in polling for Conservative and Labour Party internal elections.
Really good analysis. Turnout is a moveable feast and polling companies who extrapolate from thee last GE are simply fighting the last war.
Machiavellian politics. I think Gove stands a very good chance of winning. He understands momentum in politics, and ultimately May has never been loved.
Better than Boris, but ultimately the party elected David Cameron over Davis (basically a prior run of Theresa vs Gove). The basic instinct to win is still there and it is much, much more likely that Theresa will deliver a win in 2020 than Gove. As long as she promises to deliver the referendum result and take the UK out of the EU then she should still win. That is probably another reason why Gove is running, he may not trust the current front runners to actually serve Article 50, so this way he gets them to guarantee it or he probably would win.
I can only think Johnson has has a serious wobble behind the scenes.
I imagine Gove asked Boris (and probably Theresa) to put immigration at the front of any EU negotiation, he got the big fat "no" so he has decided to run as the standard bearer for the right wing anti-immigration lot. If Fox bows out and backs Gove then we know it's on.
Is Gove particularly motivated by immigration? I always thought he was more a sovereignty leaver? Do you think he be willing to leave the single market to deliver on immigration?
I can only think Johnson has has a serious wobble behind the scenes.
I imagine Gove asked Boris (and probably Theresa) to put immigration at the front of any EU negotiation, he got the big fat "no" so he has decided to run as the standard bearer for the right wing anti-immigration lot. If Fox bows out and backs Gove then we know it's on.
Is Gove particularly motivated by immigration? I always thought he was more a sovereignty leaver? Do you think he be willing to leave the single market to deliver on immigration?
Yes, he said it many times. He would prefer to be out of the single market if it meant restricting immigration. Boris always used the double speak of saying we could be in the single market and reduce immigration. Gove was quite clear about leaving the single market.
What. The. Fuck. Is. Happening. To. British. Politics?
Ten years of political trials and tribulations condensed into one week. – Great fun ain’t it
I feel that these fast moving events will speed the demise of the print press. By the time the daily papers come out, events will have moved on so far it will seem like last week's news.
I can only think Johnson has has a serious wobble behind the scenes.
I imagine Gove asked Boris (and probably Theresa) to put immigration at the front of any EU negotiation, he got the big fat "no" so he has decided to run as the standard bearer for the right wing anti-immigration lot. If Fox bows out and backs Gove then we know it's on.
Is Gove particularly motivated by immigration? I always thought he was more a sovereignty leaver? Do you think he be willing to leave the single market to deliver on immigration?
I suspect Gove has had a 'steer' from Dacre and Murdoch.
It is very simple, for years we have been unable to restrict immigration, now we can. If we don't the politicians will pay the consequences.
Its called democracy, its what we voted for.
If these ones, arguably the most right wing set of Conservatives in a while, don't deliver immigration restriction, who on earth are you expecting to?
Who are you referring to?
You want to restrict immigration. You say that if the government doesn't, they will "pay the consequences" which, short of armed uprising or swinging from the Cenotaph, presumably means voting them out.
In which case which set of politicians are you expecting to be voted in to deliver your desired restriction of immigration? Labour? UKIP? Green? SDP2?
I meant which right wing tories are you referring to? The govt has the ability to reduce immigration, it was implicitly told to by the electorate, if it doesn't they'll be replaced.
You lot are in such a muddle its hilarious.
I am certainly not in a muddle.
You, meanwhile, have not answered my question. If the forthcoming set of Conservatives don't restrict immigration, who are you expecting them to be replaced by who will restrict it?
Give me some names here, so I can get a handle on your thinking. The Moggster, John Redwood and Bill Cash at his side? Douglas Carswell and an expected other 325 UKIP MPs?
I've been ticked of by Leavers on here for daring to suggest that immigration was the reason for Leaves triumph. Apparently it was all about sovereignty, despite the campaign . So maybe not just remain in a muddle?
I wasn't and still am not entirely convinced of that, but, assuming that is correct for the bulk of the Leave vote and we negotiate access to the single market with freedom of movement but crucially resolve the sovereignty issue does that not mean that all ukip can campaign on is immigration? I can see that being a step to far for a lot of voters. Or is that just wishful thinking?
Imagine if the Conservative party elect Gove as their leader. Jesus H Christ.
How do PBers rank Gove's chances of getting elected?
Boris will be crying into his cornflakes now though....
Not great. He's got interesting ideas, but seems divisive to me. I am surprised he'd stand, I assume this might split the Boris vote?
Yep. My inkling is that Gove wants CoE... And May will give it to him if she wins... And you really don't want to be Cabinet member for Leave do you...
Amidst the PB Leave euphoria, I am still not sure.
I don't like people lying to me and I know that events change so people change their minds but he looked at us and said he wouldn't.
But then, you know, I am a conservative Conservative. Not one of these mobile, going through the Parties on the whim of a bad speech or wrongly raised eyebrow, jelly Conservatives.
I think part of the battle is to stop Boris being in the final 2...
It's quite a complicated, not to say dangerous game, though...
It is very simple, for years we have been unable to restrict immigration, now we can. If we don't the politicians will pay the consequences.
Its called democracy, its what we voted for.
If these ones, arguably the most right wing set of Conservatives in a while, don't deliver immigration restriction, who on earth are you expecting to?
Who are you referring to?
You want to restrict immigration. You say that if the government doesn't, they will "pay the consequences" which, short of armed uprising or swinging from the Cenotaph, presumably means voting them out.
In which case which set of politicians are you expecting to be voted in to deliver your desired restriction of immigration? Labour? UKIP? Green? SDP2?
I meant which right wing tories are you referring to? The govt has the ability to reduce immigration, it was implicitly told to by the electorate, if it doesn't they'll be replaced.
You lot are in such a muddle its hilarious.
I am certainly not in a muddle.
You, meanwhile, have not answered my question. If the forthcoming set of Conservatives don't restrict immigration, who are you expecting them to be replaced by who will restrict it?
Give me some names here, so I can get a handle on your thinking. The Moggster, John Redwood and Bill Cash at his side? Douglas Carswell and an expected other 325 UKIP MPs?
I've been ticked of by Leavers on here for daring to suggest that immigration was the reason for Leaves triumph. Apparently it was all about sovereignty, despite the campaign . So maybe not just remain in a muddle?
I wasn't and still am not entirely convinced of that, but, assuming that is correct for the bulk of the Leave vote and we negotiate access to the single market with freedom of movement but crucially resolve the sovereignty issue does that not mean that all ukip can campaign on is immigration? I can see that being a step to far for a lot of voters. Or is that just wishful thinking?
Surely we have just seen that for the last month, so we know already?
I can only think Johnson has has a serious wobble behind the scenes.
I imagine Gove asked Boris (and probably Theresa) to put immigration at the front of any EU negotiation, he got the big fat "no" so he has decided to run as the standard bearer for the right wing anti-immigration lot. If Fox bows out and backs Gove then we know it's on.
Is Gove particularly motivated by immigration? I always thought he was more a sovereignty leaver? Do you think he be willing to leave the single market to deliver on immigration?
I think he would be far likelier to apply, surgically, the Leave manifesto and promises. He strikes me as that kind of a guy.
It is about as damning a public dismissal of one politician by another as I can remember.
Because of Corbyn's intransigence two likely outcomes await.
A Corbyn stays
Labour goes into a general election where almost all of its candidates are questioned daily on why they think people should vote Labour if they have no confidence in their own leader.
B Corbyn goes
Momentum do not accept defeat and put up candidates against key PLP members dividing the vote.
The only way out is a tiny chance that a candidate could be found that can minimise (b) and avoid (a). But everything is saying that this will not happen.
As things stand, make no mistake, this is the end of the Labour party. It needs a miracle.
I am honestly worried about some hot head attacking one of the MPs who is anti Corbyn.
Well that is Boris Johnson's political career fucked then. I wonder what he'll do. Train journeys has been cornered. Cooking....Boris in the kitchen maybe. Or......possibly Top Gear.
I'd love Gove to say he is standing as an interim leader until say early 2019, to oversee Brexit and no more. Meantime, a few more can get Cabinet experience and show their true worth (or otherwise) to the voters for the 2020's. I think he'd walk it then.....
I, too, am very disappointed that Michael Gove isn't standing, especially after having enjoyed a successful Leave campaign, including a comprehensive one to one win against the unpleasant Faisal Islam. I suspect the truth of the matter is that he simply didn't want it enough, or indeed at all. Generally speaking you only get one shot at the top job and he's allowed it to pass him by, despite clearly possessing the required intellect and ability .... shame.
Good morning all. Wow! Leadsom and Gove throwing their hat into the ring, that's unexpected.
A few remarks:
Homosexuality was legalised in 1967, that's the thick end of half a century ago. It really is old, old news.
I always like @matt's posts; we shouldn't try and gloss over the fact that jobs will be lost directly due to Brexit. The argument has to be whether the gain is worth the pain. We're not going to 'win' an argument here. Remainers say no, Leavers say yes...ad infinitum.
What is clear is that the range and quality of any gains are going to be down to the ability of the British political establishment, supported by the Civil Service and others, to execute Brexit well. Currently I'm not at all sanguine.
It will be a well deserved tragedy for Boris if he fails in hi bid to become PM. He has kept himself in the shadows for too long during this febrile week; he has hesitated to much to be convincing. He may even be pleased to have failed - if indeed he does.
in that order for me. Gove is incredibly clever and on point, but has an image problem holding him back, yet he will be the more exciting option than May.
It is very simple, for years we have been unable to restrict immigration, now we can. If we don't the politicians will pay the consequences.
Its called democracy, its what we voted for.
If these ones, arguably the most right wing set of Conservatives in a while, don't deliver immigration restriction, who on earth are you expecting to?
Who are you referring to?
You want to restrict immigration. You say that if the government doesn't, they will "pay the consequences" which, short of armed uprising or swinging from the Cenotaph, presumably means voting them out.
In which case which set of politicians are you expecting to be voted in to deliver your desired restriction of immigration? Labour? UKIP? Green? SDP2?
I meant which right wing tories are you referring to? The govt has the ability to reduce immigration, it was implicitly told to by the electorate, if it doesn't they'll be replaced.
You lot are in such a muddle its hilarious.
I am certainly not in a muddle.
You, meanwhile, have not answered my question. If the forthcoming set of Conservatives don't restrict immigration, who are you expecting them to be replaced by who will restrict it?
Give me some names here, so I can get a handle on your thinking. The Moggster, John Redwood and Bill Cash at his side? Douglas Carswell and an expected other 325 UKIP MPs?
I've been ticked of by Leavers on here for daring to suggest that immigration was the reason for Leaves triumph. Apparently it was all about sovereignty, despite the campaign . So maybe not just remain in a muddle?
I wasn't and still am not entirely convinced of that, but, assuming that is correct for the bulk of the Leave vote and we negotiate access to the single market with freedom of movement but crucially resolve the sovereignty issue does that not mean that all ukip can campaign on is immigration? I can see that being a step to far for a lot of voters. Or is that just wishful thinking?
Well, at least Michael Gove has answered the question I was asking just now (who is the politician who will restrict immigration if not this lot)!
I think that the Party leader election will be a rehearsal of the broader (and much more significant) immigration debate that we would get if immigration is not addressed to the right's satisfaction.
And as to being a step too far for voters? That is the interesting point which, sadly IMO, we might have to find out.
I'd love Gove to say he is standing as an interim leader until say early 2019, to oversee Brexit and no more. Meantime, a few more can get Cabinet experience and show their true worth (or otherwise) to the voters for the 2020's. I think he'd walk it then.....
I, too, am very disappointed that Michael Gove isn't standing, especially after having enjoyed a successful Leave campaign, including a comprehensive one to one win against the unpleasant Faisal Islam. I suspect the truth of the matter is that he simply didn't want it enough, or indeed at all. Generally speaking you only get one shot at the top job and he's allowed it to pass him by, despite clearly possessing the required intellect and ability .... shame.
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May gets it as more voter friendly.
Edit: Thanks to whoever it was here that tipped him at 8/1 the other week, good call and I owe you a beer if he wins!
Johnson, Gove, Baron, Fox, Leadsom ....
Peter Bone please ..
Finchley CLP passed the no confidence motion too
SW Norfolk CLP passed the confidence in JC motion.
Go MiGo!
OK, I fucking will!
We also need to see what happens with Labour, if they manage to walk back on to the path of electablility then May has it in the bag. Gove doesn't have enough wider appeal among the public to beat an electable Labour party in 2020.
I'm now assuming Boris is done for.
A cruel blow by the PCP.
I don't like people lying to me and I know that events change so people change their minds but he looked at us and said he wouldn't.
But then, you know, I am a conservative Conservative. Not one of these mobile, going through the Parties on the whim of a bad speech or wrongly raised eyebrow, jelly Conservatives.
Oh dear, what a shame.
I can only think Johnson has has a serious wobble behind the scenes.
I had been given to understand that the clever software employed enabled the full results to simply plop out at the touch of a button .... clearly I was wrong!
I think Gove stands a very good chance of winning. He understands momentum in politics, and ultimately May has never been loved.
We need another of @AlastairMeeks's binomial trees.
Where YouGov went wrong was (1) to ignore what the poll was telling them about turnout in terms of certainty to vote and to instead adjust their result based on different assumptions about turnout drawn from lessons in the general election and (2) to assume that some people who had not made their mind up and by a small balance were leaning to remain would actually vote in the same proportions as everyone else even though this would have implied a >90% turnout from their panel.
So taking YouGov's actual polling on preferences and applying what their polling was telling them about turnout would have had Leave just ahead. They must be kicking themselves for cocking it up at the final hurdle having been the company which was also showing the best polling for Leave for most of the campaign (without a turnout filter as I pointed out several times here).
So their polling was vindicated, it's just the way they chose to use it at the 11th hour which was not.
And, by the way, they have a pretty good record too in polling for Conservative and Labour Party internal elections.
I smell Osborne.
But if you like, I can put one together for you.
Gove has the bonafides over Brexit. He chose Brexit because he believed in Brexit.
He destroys Boris on that point and obliterates May's "no comment" on the subject.
May was going to mop up Leavers who didn't like Boris. They go to Gove now. The whole texture of the contest has been changed.
Gove statement https://t.co/178zw7EiHY
If A: bonkers, if Not A: utterly mad.
Osborne Lay 2.2 £500
Boris Lay 2.1 £950
May 11 £100
Gove 8 £50
Come on Tory MPs, shut Boris out of it for my best ever betting event!!
Just another day in British politics.
Nicky Morgan has pulled out of race for No10 - friends say
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We have lost a titan.....
I would also not vote for Fox,or Boris- both deeply untrustworthy.
I wasn't and still am not entirely convinced of that, but, assuming that is correct for the bulk of the Leave vote and we negotiate access to the single market with freedom of movement but crucially resolve the sovereignty issue does that not mean that all ukip can campaign on is immigration?
I can see that being a step to far for a lot of voters. Or is that just wishful thinking?
Lol
Interesting looking at Gove's YouGov page
https://yougov.co.uk/opi/browse/Michael_Gove
-46 positivity
Most loved by the hard right
Correlates most with those who like Donald Trump and Dad's Army.
It is about as damning a public dismissal of one politician by another as I can remember.
I wonder what he'll do. Train journeys has been cornered. Cooking....Boris in the kitchen maybe. Or......possibly Top Gear.
So Boris shafted David Cameron, and now Boris is getting shafted by Gove and a lot of Leavers. I think I might break a rib laughing
This is getting ridiculous.
I suspect the truth of the matter is that he simply didn't want it enough, or indeed at all. Generally speaking you only get one shot at the top job and he's allowed it to pass him by, despite clearly possessing the required intellect and ability .... shame.
A few remarks:
Homosexuality was legalised in 1967, that's the thick end of half a century ago. It really is old, old news.
I always like @matt's posts; we shouldn't try and gloss over the fact that jobs will be lost directly due to Brexit. The argument has to be whether the gain is worth the pain. We're not going to 'win' an argument here. Remainers say no, Leavers say yes...ad infinitum.
What is clear is that the range and quality of any gains are going to be down to the ability of the British political establishment, supported by the Civil Service and others, to execute Brexit well. Currently I'm not at all sanguine.
in that order for me. Gove is incredibly clever and on point, but has an image problem holding him back, yet he will be the more exciting option than May.
I think that the Party leader election will be a rehearsal of the broader (and much more significant) immigration debate that we would get if immigration is not addressed to the right's satisfaction.
And as to being a step too far for voters? That is the interesting point which, sadly IMO, we might have to find out.
I'm not so sure.
.@BorisJohnson may pull his leadership launch. Jesus
That's not good for Boris
Conservatives: We are all standing to be new leader
May for Tories.
Erm, not sure for Labour, where is David?