So post Brexit what does it all mean for Bosman and the prospect of getting more England qualified players in the Premier League? Might the FA be allowed to bring in quotas on clubs without falling foul of the ECJ?
I just can't stop laughing at that. Didn't he do the interview that made Blinky in TTOI look like Blair at his smoothest? Is this what Corbyn meant by some surprising names?
No mention there that Iceland is also outside the EU
As politician lines go it's not bad. Would an opinion poll help you reach a judgement?
No it is pure trolling, much like the only comments you ever post!
Not really, its just that thoughtful approach isn't worthwhile. Its drowned out amongst the WTFs, breathless reports of Sky News and "I don't normally read Volkischer Beobachter but....". Se e my thoughts on which EU derived rules we'd repeal. Other people are far more skilled than me at betting and ensuring that they have time and effort to stay in control. Their opinions are more than worthwhile.
So post Brexit what does it all mean for Bosman and the prospect of getting more England qualified players in the Premier League? Might the FA be allowed to bring in quotas on clubs without falling foul of the ECJ?
Ending Bosman could benefit the England team.
It could also result in the Bundesliga or Serie A becoming the moneyspinner league, worldwide. My bet would be on the Bundesliga.
Out of interest, when English teams were banned from Europe and the Scottish League was chock full of English and European players, the Scottish team was doing MUCH better than now.
The red lines that are emerging are being in the single market and restrictions on free movement. EEA/EFTA won't wash following a campaign based on immigration.
What if the easiest way to achieve that is a new deal within the EU?
Then we're screwed, since they won't want us now at any price. Will just have to work hard at the outside options.
Why the fuck did you vote Leave? You know full well that it's been the wrong outcome. Just admit it now.
Of course its not the wrong outcome. A few days of market reaction to an unexpected outcome proves sweet FA.
@SamCoatesTimes: Exc:Times / YouGov Best new PM and Tory leader
All voters(Tory voters in brackets)
Theresa May 19 (31) Boris Johnson 18 (24)
Boris may have won the battle but lost the war.
He planned it perfectly. It was the voters who ruined everything by voting for his platform in the referendum.
Anyone sensible will also surely have concluded that May's 'reluctant remainer' position was the sane one.
Indeed. Boris' great failure was winning the bloody referendum. If he had stopped the Nazi sabre rattling over Turks and "the immigrants" he would never have won the Red BNPers over, and would have lost comfortably, and therefore won easily.
No mention there that Iceland is also outside the EU
As politician lines go it's not bad. Would an opinion poll help you reach a judgement?
No it is pure trolling, much like the only comments you ever post!
Not really, its just that thoughtful approach isn't worthwhile. Its drowned out amongst the WTFs, breathless reports of Sky News and "I don't normally read Volkischer Beobachter but....". Se e my thoughts on which EU derived rules we'd repeal. Other people are far more skilled than me at betting and ensuring that they have time and effort to stay in control. Their opinions are more than worthwhile.
There is plenty of discussion on this site beyond betting odds
I just can't stop laughing at that. Didn't he do the interview that made Blinky in TTOI look like Blair at his smoothest? Is this what Corbyn meant by some surprising names?
The red lines that are emerging are being in the single market and restrictions on free movement. EEA/EFTA won't wash following a campaign based on immigration.
What if the easiest way to achieve that is a new deal within the EU?
Then we're screwed, since they won't want us now at any price. Will just have to work hard at the outside options.
I'm not giving up hope yet.
Merkel is clearly happy to bide her time and see if Britain will reconsider. It's quite likely that Juncker will be forced out which could pave the way for a new negotiation to take place.
Interesting point. So far no-one in the EU seems to think that Brexit is in any way their responsibility. Typical but telling.
Solving Britain's concerns was one of his top 5 priorities as President of the Commission. He can't put all of the blame on Cameron for things not turning out the right way.
He should have been a high-profile figure in the UK since his appointment, listening to different voices and playing an active part in solving things instead of just being a go-between in Brussels.
@SamCoatesTimes: Exc:Times / YouGov Best new PM and Tory leader
All voters(Tory voters in brackets)
Theresa May 19 (31) Boris Johnson 18 (24)
Boris may have won the battle but lost the war.
May is 60 though. Quite old. But she could be a kind of British Merkel, I guess. Then groom Ruth Davidson to take over. GROOM in the nice sense, thanks.
The one advatange Boris has is that this is such an apocalyptic juncture, and he does have a Churchillian quality. Not a managerial leader for quieter moments, not a Cameron or a Macmillan, but these are not ordinary days. Churchill was a poor peacetime leader but ideal for war.
And we're in an economic and political war. And the country might like cheering up and inspiring - and a few good jokes - as we battle through the headwinds into EEA (or wherever). Right man for bad times.
After what Charles revealed yesterday Cameron wasn't a 'managerial leader' either.
I wouldn't believe any UK poll right now. They have been hilariously wrong on two massive occasions in the last year now. I would love May to be our next PM though - she's by far the best option out of an underwhelming bunch. Boris and Osborne shouldn't be anywhere near the Conservative leadership.
On the game, I called it regarding this England team months ago. Qualifiers and friendlies cannot be used as a measurement of this team - they simply don't have a tournament mentality in the way teams like Germany and Italy do. Even the Welsh have been mentally stronger this year than us FFS. Rooney and Kane were totally dire tonight, and Kane has been terrible throughout this entire tournament. Roy should have started Rashford.
I admit May seems like the best choice given where the country is at the moment. No matter what you think of her otherwise, she does give off an air of unflappability and seriousness which is exactly what we need at the moment. A steady hand on the tiller.
Backed remain, but kept her head down (some might say tactically) and is widely considered eurosceptic. A fair compromise for the membership, I'd have thought.
The attitude of Remainers since friday has me licking my lips at the prospect of a re-run. The same old faces will trot out the same old rubbish and once again ordinary people will vote, but this time with even more determination to shove it up them.
Something is becoming increasingly puzzling to me, some people on here claim to hold down important jobs, they don't spend much time doing them.
The red lines that are emerging are being in the single market and restrictions on free movement. EEA/EFTA won't wash following a campaign based on immigration.
What if the easiest way to achieve that is a new deal within the EU?
Then we're screwed, since they won't want us now at any price. Will just have to work hard at the outside options.
Why the fuck did you vote Leave? You know full well that it's been the wrong outcome. Just admit it now.
Of course its not the wrong outcome. A few days of market reaction to an unexpected outcome proves sweet FA.
@SamCoatesTimes: Exc:Times / YouGov Best new PM and Tory leader
All voters(Tory voters in brackets)
Theresa May 19 (31) Boris Johnson 18 (24)
Boris may have won the battle but lost the war.
I think we need a tough, capable woman in charge to steer us through. May or Leadsom would be fine by me. After tonight's joke of a football team I don't think I want a joke of a PM too especially in the present turbulent climate!
@SamCoatesTimes: Exc:Times / YouGov Best new PM and Tory leader
All voters(Tory voters in brackets)
Theresa May 19 (31) Boris Johnson 18 (24)
Boris may have won the battle but lost the war.
May is 60 though. Quite old. But she could be a kind of British Merkel, I guess. Then groom Ruth Davidson to take over. GROOM in the nice sense, thanks.
The one advatange Boris has is that this is such an apocalyptic juncture, and he does have a Churchillian quality. Not a managerial leader for quieter moments, not a Cameron or a Macmillan, but these are not ordinary days. Churchill was a poor peacetime leader but ideal for war.
And we're in an economic and political war. And the country might like cheering up and inspiring - and a few good jokes - as we battle through the headwinds into EEA (or wherever). Right man for bad times.
Churchill became PM after the Norway Debate. He didn't accidentally win a referendum on having a military debacle in Norway.
@SamCoatesTimes: Exc:Times / YouGov Best new PM and Tory leader
All voters(Tory voters in brackets)
Theresa May 19 (31) Boris Johnson 18 (24)
Boris may have won the battle but lost the war.
The one advatange Boris has is that this is such an apocalyptic juncture, and he does have a Churchillian quality. Not a managerial leader for quieter moments, not a Cameron or a Macmillan, but these are not ordinary days. Churchill was a poor peacetime leader but ideal for war.
And we're in an economic and political war. And the country might like cheering up and inspiring - and a few good jokes - as we battle through the headwinds into EEA (or wherever). Right man for bad times.
That's true. But I'm just not sure exactly how committed Boris really is to any of this... Was it all just a newspaper column that got out of control? Or does he really, passionately believe in seeing through the Brexit trauma he in large part created?
The attitude of Remainers since friday has me licking my lips at the prospect of a re-run. The same old faces will trot out the same old rubbish and once again ordinary people will vote, but this time with even more determination to shove it up them.
Something is becoming increasingly puzzling to me, some people on here claim to hold down important jobs, they don't spend much time doing them.
I think a lot of the answer to Britain's 'productivity puzzle' can be explained by PB.
The red lines that are emerging are being in the single market and restrictions on free movement. EEA/EFTA won't wash following a campaign based on immigration.
What if the easiest way to achieve that is a new deal within the EU?
Then we're screwed, since they won't want us now at any price. Will just have to work hard at the outside options.
Why the fuck did you vote Leave? You know full well that it's been the wrong outcome. Just admit it now.
Of course its not the wrong outcome. A few days of market reaction to an unexpected outcome proves sweet FA.
@SamCoatesTimes: Exc:Times / YouGov Best new PM and Tory leader
All voters(Tory voters in brackets)
Theresa May 19 (31) Boris Johnson 18 (24)
Boris may have won the battle but lost the war.
May is 60 though. Quite old. But she could be a kind of British Merkel, I guess. Then groom Ruth Davidson to take over. GROOM in the nice sense, thanks.
The one advatange Boris has is that this is such an apocalyptic juncture, and he does have a Churchillian quality. Not a managerial leader for quieter moments, not a Cameron or a Macmillan, but these are not ordinary days. Churchill was a poor peacetime leader but ideal for war.
And we're in an economic and political war. And the country might like cheering up and inspiring - and a few good jokes - as we battle through the headwinds into EEA (or wherever). Right man for bad times.
Churchill became PM after the Norway Debate. He didn't accidentally win a referendum on having a military debacle in Norway.
Maybe the English should think more like Churchill.
The red lines that are emerging are being in the single market and restrictions on free movement. EEA/EFTA won't wash following a campaign based on immigration.
What if the easiest way to achieve that is a new deal within the EU?
Then we're screwed, since they won't want us now at any price. Will just have to work hard at the outside options.
Why the fuck did you vote Leave? You know full well that it's been the wrong outcome. Just admit it now.
Of course its not the wrong outcome. A few days of market reaction to an unexpected outcome proves sweet FA.
A few days? You've got to be kidding. We're about five years off getting food parcels from Zimbabwe. The pound will be at parity with the euro by Christmas.
The red lines that are emerging are being in the single market and restrictions on free movement. EEA/EFTA won't wash following a campaign based on immigration.
What if the easiest way to achieve that is a new deal within the EU?
Then we're screwed, since they won't want us now at any price. Will just have to work hard at the outside options.
Why the fuck did you vote Leave? You know full well that it's been the wrong outcome. Just admit it now.
Of course its not the wrong outcome. A few days of market reaction to an unexpected outcome proves sweet FA.
A few days? You've got to be kidding. We're about five years off getting food parcels from Zimbabwe. The pound will be at parity with the euro by Christmas.
Another one gleefully hoping things go wrong. You lost. Live with it.
Good for you, 1 or 2 office based posters don't seem to get much work done or leave their PC for more than 5 minutes. Then when the general public speak their mouths fall open in wonderment.
There is also a considerable circumstantial evidence Boris was trying to throw the referendum through out. The Obama Dog Whistle, the Canada model, the Nike Tick, Straight Bananas , the Top Gear driving stunt, the amnesty for illegal immigrants a few days before polling day. Just a few of those would sink a General Election campaign. They can't all of been gaffes if any. He just made the same mistake I did and hadn't spotted the shift to post Reality politics.
@SamCoatesTimes: Exc:Times / YouGov Best new PM and Tory leader
All voters(Tory voters in brackets)
Theresa May 19 (31) Boris Johnson 18 (24)
Boris may have won the battle but lost the war.
I think we need a tough, capable woman in charge to steer us through. May or Leadsom would be fine by me. After tonight's joke of a football team I don't think I want a joke of a PM too especially in the present turbulent climate!
The red lines that are emerging are being in the single market and restrictions on free movement. EEA/EFTA won't wash following a campaign based on immigration.
What if the easiest way to achieve that is a new deal within the EU?
Then we're screwed, since they won't want us now at any price. Will just have to work hard at the outside options.
Why the fuck did you vote Leave? You know full well that it's been the wrong outcome. Just admit it now.
Of course its not the wrong outcome. A few days of market reaction to an unexpected outcome proves sweet FA.
A few days? You've got to be kidding. We're about five years off getting food parcels from Zimbabwe. The pound will be at parity with the euro by Christmas.
And you'll need a thousand of either to buy a loaf of bread.
Nicola Sturgeon taking forward a bill - including a second referendum - tomorrow in the Scottish Parliament.
Will give her full rights to back any course of action, including Indyref 2 to retain Scotland's membership. Greens and Labour will back. Liberals too possible. Tories will try to ammend to remove Independence option but will get voted down by SNP and Greens at least, possibly others.
Almost certain Nicola will get full mandate for second referendum.
The red lines that are emerging are being in the single market and restrictions on free movement. EEA/EFTA won't wash following a campaign based on immigration.
What if the easiest way to achieve that is a new deal within the EU?
Then we're screwed, since they won't want us now at any price. Will just have to work hard at the outside options.
Why the fuck did you vote Leave? You know full well that it's been the wrong outcome. Just admit it now.
Of course its not the wrong outcome. A few days of market reaction to an unexpected outcome proves sweet FA.
A few days? You've got to be kidding. We're about five years off getting food parcels from Zimbabwe. The pound will be at parity with the euro by Christmas.
The only thing that really matters is whether ordinary people are affected by any of these so-called crises. If it's just a case of a few members of the 1% losing some millions it's not especially important, except for them of course. We'll see if it all ends with riots outside Lidl in Kettering. Seems unlikely.
Indeed, May may be ideal, neither a rabid Brexiteer like Boris or Gove who will get the EU's backs up when renegotiating, nor a Europhile like Osborne or Hunt who have just lost and do not have the stomach for the fight.
Anecdote alert...just come back from the Iceland match, watched the whole match in a quiet pub sat behind Ed Sheeran. I even returned 20 Euros to him that fell under his stool.
As much as I really wanted England to lose, I was as much a hardcore supporter willing that ball over the line as any other headbanger English fan. We cannot so much change our country as our family as much as they disappoint us, wind the shit out of us, annoy us.
Brexit has really pissed me off. But I am still British and want to be part of our country's future.
There is also a considerable circumstantial evidence Boris was trying to throw the referendum through out. The Obama Dog Whistle, the Canada model, the Nike Tick, Straight Bananas , the Top Gear driving stunt, the amnesty for illegal immigrants a few days before polling day. Just a few of those would sink a General Election campaign. They can't all of been gaffes if any. He just made the same mistake I did and hadn't spotted the shift to post Reality politics.
Then there was Amber Rudd's pre scripted but fairly extraordinary " drive you home " jibe in the first debate. Coming from a female college and the numerous oblique references in the Mail to his private life my reading of it she was trying to tip the tabloids into digging. Or to crack of a wall of silence. May well be nonsense but I wonder.
I wouldn't believe any UK poll right now. They have been hilariously wrong on two massive occasions in the last year now. I would love May to be our next PM though - she's by far the best option out of an underwhelming bunch. Boris and Osborne shouldn't be anywhere near the Conservative leadership.
On the game, I called it regarding this England team months ago. Qualifiers and friendlies cannot be used as a measurement of this team - they simply don't have a tournament mentality in the way teams like Germany and Italy do. Even the Welsh have been mentally stronger this year than us FFS. Rooney and Kane were totally dire tonight, and Kane has been terrible throughout this entire tournament. Roy should have started Rashford.
I admit May seems like the best choice given where the country is at the moment. No matter what you think of her otherwise, she does give off an air of unflappability and seriousness which is exactly what we need at the moment. A steady hand on the tiller.
Backed remain, but kept her head down (some might say tactically) and is widely considered eurosceptic. A fair compromise for the membership, I'd have thought.
I definitely think May's absence for much of the campaign was tactical. I think the trouble for Leavers, is that none of their leading lights look like good leadership prospects for the country. Boris would be a total disaster as PM, for example. And I hardly think the country is crying out for Grayling, IDS, or Gove either.
Nicola Sturgeon taking forward a bill - including a second referendum - tomorrow in the Scottish Parliament.
Will give her full rights to back any course of action, including Indyref 2 to retain Scotland's membership. Greens and Labour will back. Liberals too possible. Tories will try to ammend to remove Independence option but will get voted down by SNP and Greens at least, possibly others.
Almost certain Nicola will get full mandate for second referendum.
Sturgeon seems to be several strides ahead of any other leader. The defining politician of her generation.
Am I the only person delighted to see the Premiership's 'finest' disgraced.
Well done Iceland - good organisation, hard work, team spirit and making the most of what you have. An example to everyone in all spheres of life.
By the end, yes. It was by then obvious that there wasn't a chance that that England team could have got beyond the quarter finals, regardless of tonight's result, despite all the individual potential within it. So all that is left is to offer congratulations and delight in an international team doing a Leicester. They even wear the same colours.
Am I the only person delighted to see the Premiership's 'finest' disgraced.
Well done Iceland - good organisation, hard work, team spirit and making the most of what you have. An example to everyone in all spheres of life.
By the end, yes. It was by then obvious that there wasn't a chance that that England team could have got beyond the quarter finals, regardless of tonight's result, despite all the individual potential within it. So all that is left is to offer congratulations and delight in an international team doing a Leicester. They even wear the same colours.
There is also a considerable circumstantial evidence Boris was trying to throw the referendum through out. The Obama Dog Whistle, the Canada model, the Nike Tick, Straight Bananas , the Top Gear driving stunt, the amnesty for illegal immigrants a few days before polling day. Just a few of those would sink a General Election campaign. They can't all of been gaffes if any. He just made the same mistake I did and hadn't spotted the shift to post Reality politics.
Is he really made of teflon as far as Tory members are concerned? I mean he's so obviously a fraud, can't they see it? Apparently he has the support of Rupert Murdoch though, so what else matters?
There is also a considerable circumstantial evidence Boris was trying to throw the referendum through out. The Obama Dog Whistle, the Canada model, the Nike Tick, Straight Bananas , the Top Gear driving stunt, the amnesty for illegal immigrants a few days before polling day. Just a few of those would sink a General Election campaign. They can't all of been gaffes if any. He just made the same mistake I did and hadn't spotted the shift to post Reality politics.
Fair points.
He should have taken evidence from Trump. I think he was trying to throw his Presidential run after about two weeks, but just couldn't find any way to do it. Obviously overlooked the silly, but likely best solution. Acting Presidential.
Nicola Sturgeon taking forward a bill - including a second referendum - tomorrow in the Scottish Parliament.
Will give her full rights to back any course of action, including Indyref 2 to retain Scotland's membership. Greens and Labour will back. Liberals too possible. Tories will try to ammend to remove Independence option but will get voted down by SNP and Greens at least, possibly others.
Almost certain Nicola will get full mandate for second referendum.
Brilliant bring it on she loses. Oil is 54 dollars a Barrel half what it was at thr last sindy. And then the economic case was shite. What currency is she gonna use the pound outside the EU. And i am guesing Spain will veto....
Yeah well they can fuck off. Americans don't begin to understand how the EU works, how it is undemocratic, how it removes voter control, and how it allows unlimited and unchecked immigration, and, most of all, how it imposes an executive that cannot be ejected, something Yanks would never tolerate in six zillion years.
They literally do not remotely understand, or even try
Anecdote alert...just come back from the Iceland match, watched the whole match in a quiet pub sat behind Ed Sheeran. I even returned 20 Euros to him that fell under his stool.
As much as I really wanted England to lose, I was as much a hardcore supporter willing that ball over the line as any other headbanger English fan. We cannot so much change our country as our family as much as they disappoint us, wind the shit out of us, annoy us.
Brexit has really pissed me off. But I am still British and want to be part of our country's future.
Nicola Sturgeon taking forward a bill - including a second referendum - tomorrow in the Scottish Parliament.
Will give her full rights to back any course of action, including Indyref 2 to retain Scotland's membership. Greens and Labour will back. Liberals too possible. Tories will try to ammend to remove Independence option but will get voted down by SNP and Greens at least, possibly others.
Almost certain Nicola will get full mandate for second referendum.
Sturgeon seems to be several strides ahead of any other leader. The defining politician of her generation.
Yes.
I think she'll win Indy2 as well. People raising this and that difficulty are missing the fact that there will be a far weaker No campaign than last time.
@SamCoatesTimes: Exc:Times / YouGov Best new PM and Tory leader
All voters(Tory voters in brackets)
Theresa May 19 (31) Boris Johnson 18 (24)
Boris may have won the battle but lost the war.
I think we need a tough, capable woman in charge to steer us through. May or Leadsom would be fine by me. After tonight's joke of a football team I don't think I want a joke of a PM too especially in the present turbulent climate!
Agreed.
Indeed and hopefully this new poll is a sign of things to come
If you flood the market with immigrants putting the native born out of a job and leaving the youth to kick their heels so you can pay cheaper wages and not train youngsters, the country suffers
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Well done Iceland - good organisation, hard work, team spirit and making the most of what you have. An example to everyone in all spheres of life.
Anyone sensible will also surely have concluded that May's 'reluctant remainer' position was the sane one.
Edit - Shadow chancellor at 34. No idea if he seemed a crazier choice, I know little of Burgon
"We know we lost but we can always start again at kick off to ensure we get the right result the second time around.... Or third if that is required"
ScottP you really are just embarrassing yourself now,
It could also result in the Bundesliga or Serie A becoming the moneyspinner league, worldwide. My bet would be on the Bundesliga.
Out of interest, when English teams were banned from Europe and the Scottish League was chock full of English and European players, the Scottish team was doing MUCH better than now.
https://yougov.co.uk/news/2016/06/27/theresa-may-leads-boris-johnson-amongst-general-pu/
Nicola as Sansa
Any advice on ground game here?
He should have been a high-profile figure in the UK since his appointment, listening to different voices and playing an active part in solving things instead of just being a go-between in Brussels.
Backed remain, but kept her head down (some might say tactically) and is widely considered eurosceptic. A fair compromise for the membership, I'd have thought.
Something is becoming increasingly puzzling to me, some people on here claim to hold down important jobs, they don't spend much time doing them.
That's true. But I'm just not sure exactly how committed Boris really is to any of this... Was it all just a newspaper column that got out of control? Or does he really, passionately believe in seeing through the Brexit trauma he in large part created?
I guess we'll find out.;
How on earth did he win a nomination as Labour candidate, let alone get appointed to the shad cab?
After all he invaded and subjugated Iceland.
The England team are simply carrying out the democratic will of the electorate who have just voted to leave Europe. No it isn't. That would be Bojabob.
Do what you have to do lads, I'm busy on pb.com calling people xenophobic nutjobs.
https://twitter.com/IanLMcKenzie/status/747547192429252608
What will be really funny is if Iceland beat France.
Sad bastards is what I call them.
Will give her full rights to back any course of action, including Indyref 2 to retain Scotland's membership. Greens and Labour will back. Liberals too possible. Tories will try to ammend to remove Independence option but will get voted down by SNP and Greens at least, possibly others.
Almost certain Nicola will get full mandate for second referendum.
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Fingers crossed that MPs, and Conservative Party members are too tricky for pollsters!
As much as I really wanted England to lose, I was as much a hardcore supporter willing that ball over the line as any other headbanger English fan. We cannot so much change our country as our family as much as they disappoint us, wind the shit out of us, annoy us.
Brexit has really pissed me off. But I am still British and want to be part of our country's future.
@mattholehouse: US trade analysts are telling clients to switch away now from UK products inc oil, gas, machinery. https://t.co/KijIxjxZxe
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3 * property bridging loans pulled on London flats.... Obviously LTV worries
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Oil is 54 dollars a Barrel half what it was at thr last sindy. And then the economic case was shite.
What currency is she gonna use the pound outside the EU.
And i am guesing Spain will veto....
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/27/opinion/this-is-just-the-start-of-the-brexits-economic-disaster.html?smid=fb-nytimes&smtyp=cur&_r=0
I think she'll win Indy2 as well. People raising this and that difficulty are missing the fact that there will be a far weaker No campaign than last time.
England 1 vs Iceland 2